Re: Advertising Blocker in SeaMonkey 2.49.4

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On 6/27/2019 1:31 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
...
I use uBlock Origin (currently 1.16.4.11) and NoScript (5.1.9) and ads 
are mostly gone. Or set up Pi-hole https://pi-hole.net/


Thank you for letting us know that there is a newer UO build from 
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Firefox-WebExtensions#future-of-ubolegacy. 
:) Too bad, we have to do this manually though. :(

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Re: Having Challenges Logging Into CruiseCritic.com SM 2.49.4 W10 Pro Desktop

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On 6/26/2019 3:13 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
...

I had a similar problem this morning with a different Web site.
Although that site's technical support insisted that the site carried NO
advertisements, I was finally able to login after I disabled AdBlock Plus.


I hate that, but I use uBlock Origin. Which web site was it?
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Input form goes away in Facebook's create post?

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Is anyone else also having this problem too? If so, then is there a way 
not to do that?

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Re: SeaMonkey seems to be more and more unsupported by modern web-applications

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On 6/10/2019 12:03 AM, ovchinnikov.vas...@gmail.com wrote:

... like:
- Github (warning reported at the top of the site)
- web.whatsapp.com (totally unusable)
The last one is the most confusing me.
How Seamonkey introduses itself to web-servers and how can I change it any way?
Is it possible to masqarade SM as Firefox?

I like Seamonkey and believe the new version will come.


I have changed user agent to Firefox with some problematic web sites, 
but that didn't help with the horrible slow speeds, etc. I just have to 
use real Firefox for those web sites. :(

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Re: (En/Dis)able JS in SeaMonkey's email client?

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On 5/30/2019 10:38 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 5/26/2019 9:53 AM, EE wrote:

Paul Bergsagel wrote:

Ant wrote:

I swore it used to exist, but I can't find it in my v2.49.4 and on
Google search. Where is it if it exists? Or was it removed long ago? :(

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)In the
preferences I was only able to find a way to turn off Javascript

for the browser.  There was no preference to turn Javascript on/off
for Mail and Newsgroups.  Maybe turning off Javascript for the
browser will also turn it off for Mail and Newsgroups?  The setting
is found in preferences Preferences->Advanced->Scripts and Plugins.


If you have mail converted to plain text, javascript cannot be used.


I sometimes have to use HTML format. :(


Even with HTML format javascript doesn't work in the mail client window.
IIRC the option to enable javascript in the mail client "died" in NS
Navigator.


Bingo. That is where I got confused since I was a Netscape (RIP) user 
since the mid 90s! Ha. Thanks. :)

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Re: (En/Dis)able JS in SeaMonkey's email client?

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On 5/30/2019 12:38 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
...> Yeah, I use to have a VM with Mozilla browser installed and was 
going to

check that one, but I must have dump it. As a packrat I do have an
inventory of old installers...

mozilla-win32-1.0-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.2.1-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.3-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.4-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.5-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.6-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.7.1-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.7.10-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.7.11-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.7.12-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.7.2-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.7.3-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.7.5-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.7.6-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.7.7-installer.exe
mozilla-win32-1.7.8-installer.exe
seamonkey-1.0.1.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.0.2.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.0.3.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.0.4.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.0.5.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.0.6.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.0.7.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.0.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.0.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.1.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.10.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.11.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.12.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.13.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.14.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.15.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.16.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.17.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.18.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.2.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.3.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.4.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.5.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.6.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.7.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.8.en-US.win32.installer.exe
seamonkey-1.1.9.en-US.win32.installer.exe
SeaMonkey Setup 2.0.4.exe
SeaMonkey Setup 2.0.5.exe
SeaMonkey Setup 2.0.exe
SeaMonkey Setup 2.31.exe
SeaMonkey Setup 2.40.exe
SeaMonkey Setup 2.46.exe
SeaMonkey Setup 2.48.exe
SeaMonkey Setup 2.49.1.exe
SeaMonkey Setup 2.49.2.exe
SeaMonkey Setup 2.49.3.exe
SeaMonkey Setup 2.49.4.exe


But why?!
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Re: (En/Dis)able JS in SeaMonkey's email client?

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On 5/26/2019 9:53 AM, EE wrote:

Paul Bergsagel wrote:

Ant wrote:
I swore it used to exist, but I can't find it in my v2.49.4 and on 
Google search. Where is it if it exists? Or was it removed long ago? :(


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)In the 
preferences I was only able to find a way to turn off Javascript 
for the browser.  There was no preference to turn Javascript on/off 
for Mail and Newsgroups.  Maybe turning off Javascript for the browser 
will also turn it off for Mail and Newsgroups?  The setting is found 
in preferences Preferences->Advanced->Scripts and Plugins.


If you have mail converted to plain text, javascript cannot be used.


I sometimes have to use HTML format. :(
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Re: (En/Dis)able JS in SeaMonkey's email client?

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On 5/25/2019 6:07 PM, Paul Bergsagel wrote:

Ant wrote:
I swore it used to exist, but I can't find it in my v2.49.4 and on 
Google search. Where is it if it exists? Or was it removed long ago? :(


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)In the 
preferences I was only able to find a way to turn off Javascript 
for the browser.  There was no preference to turn Javascript on/off for 
Mail and Newsgroups.  Maybe turning off Javascript for the browser will 
also turn it off for Mail and Newsgroups?  The setting is found in 
preferences Preferences->Advanced->Scripts and Plugins.


Hmm, I guess I got confused with "Enable Plugins for "Mail & 
Newsgroups". Thanks. :)

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(En/Dis)able JS in SeaMonkey's email client?

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I swore it used to exist, but I can't find it in my v2.49.4 and on 
Google search. Where is it if it exists? Or was it removed long ago? :(


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
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would take about a million ants just to aim a gun at me, let alone fire 
it. And you know what I'm doing while they're aiming it at me? I just 
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Re: Not A Robot

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On 5/16/2019 2:43 AM, Tom Pamin wrote:

Tom Pamin wrote:
I'm not seeing the images to select for the I Am Not A Robot 
authorizations. Just a blank square. It works fine with IE. Ideas?


I just tried SM in Safe Mode. Still no images showing.


How about a new SM profile?
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Re: All extensions allegedly broken under Firefox

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On 5/4/2019 3:27 PM, Steve Dunn wrote:

On 2019-05-04 13:39, David E. Ross wrote:


SeaMonkey does not require extensions to be signed, at least in the
current end-user release 2.49.4.



 Which is largely a moot point since there have been few if any 
updates to most of these extensions for SeaMonkey's obsolete extension 
system for the last couple of years.


I wonder if the newer development SM versions had this bug like Firefox.
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Re: All extensions allegedly broken under Firefox

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On 5/4/2019 10:17 AM, EE wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
Here is something I saw reported a few minutes ago: 
https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/03/a-glitch-is-breaking-all-firefox-extensions/ 
(it wanted me to confirm cookies so I opened it in Private Mode).
Speaking strictly for myself, I have two extensions installed under 
Seamonkey:
- Privacy Badger (already broken, an update is available but won't 
install)

- Lightning (appears to be working normally)

My Firefox has "OpenH264 Video Codec provided by Cisco" as a Plugin 
but no Extensions so I can't comment on the veracity of that report.


All of my SeaMonkey add-ons are still working.  I have not seen updates 
for most of them since 2016.  I have to install manually the ones for 
which I have seen updates.


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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice

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On 4/25/2019 2:14 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Ant wrote on 25-04-19 10:55:

On 4/24/2019 2:12 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Brian Mailman wrote:


Windows 10
Seamonkey 2.48

Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my 
Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com .


The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the 
setting is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify 
itself as Firefox!


Help?  Thanks in advance.


Simply disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" and reload:

Edit | Preferences | Advanced | HTTP Networking

It's weird that they're demanding Firefox but rejecting a browser 
that says it's Firefox-compatible in favor of one that doesn't. But 
web designers aren't always the sharpest pencils in the box.


Nice find. This issue should be reported to the web site owners to 
sniff SM's UA correctly.


I think that they don't care about a dying product 


It's still worth a shot. I already left them a feedback last night. 
Everyone should in here. ;)

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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice

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On 4/24/2019 2:12 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Brian Mailman wrote:


Windows 10
Seamonkey 2.48

Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my 
Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com .


The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the 
setting is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify 
itself as Firefox!


Help?  Thanks in advance.


Simply disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" and reload:

Edit | Preferences | Advanced | HTTP Networking

It's weird that they're demanding Firefox but rejecting a browser that 
says it's Firefox-compatible in favor of one that doesn't. But web 
designers aren't always the sharpest pencils in the box.


Nice find. This issue should be reported to the web site owners to sniff 
SM's UA correctly.

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Re: Unsupported Browser Notice

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You might have to change your web browser's user agent. Its home page 
worked for me with "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0" on my decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 
PC's SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browser. Maybe try changing its user agent?



On 4/24/2019 12:50 PM, Brian Mailman wrote:

Windows 10
Seamonkey 2.48

Hi, I'm now receiving a notice of "Unsupported Browser" and that my 
Seamonkey is "outdated" when I try to go to davita.com .


The notice recommends Firefox, among others. I forget where the setting 
is, but I do have this copy of Seamonkey set to identify itself as Firefox!


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Re: Staying alive

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Ditto. :)

On 4/23/2019 1:09 PM, Reiner Schug wrote:

Hi!

Please, Seamonkey - stay alive.

All other Browsers fucked up their UI / Prefs / Privacy.

It already smelled when Goodger forked Phoenix/Firebird...
The UI fucked up... then he went to Google.

Seamonkey is the only Browser I trust.
Keep up the good work.

ciao...

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Re: Copied SM v2.49.4's places.sqlite to Firefox v66 still shows very old histories I deleted.

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Like SpeedyFox (https://www.crystalidea.com/speedyfox)? If so, then it 
didn't fix the issue. :(


On 4/12/2019 2:01 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
Unless you do it with sql directly in the database it will no longer 
work. The apis to delete by date have been taken out of Gecko. There is 
a bug open to restore this for SeaMonkey but no real takers yet. 2.49.x 
has some real problems here and your whole history might be junked so be 
careful.


FRG

rodney wrote:
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Copied SM v2.49.4's places.sqlite to Firefox v66 still shows very old histories I deleted.

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In my SM, I manually delete everything after a month (e.g., today is 
4/12/2019 so I manually delete everything older than 3/12/2019 in my 
history (^H)). After I copy my SM's place.sqlite file to Firefox's 
profile, I noticed its history still shows older entries. Why aren't 
these deleted? I think this is cauisng my places.sqlite file to keep 
growing bigger slowly. :(


Does anyone know what's up? Thank you for reading and hopefully 
answering. :)

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Re: Macros

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On 4/4/2019 3:26 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:
In SeaMonkey 2.49 the "macros" item is  missing from tools menu. 
Anyone know where it went?




Not remembering a "Macros" button, I fired up an old laptop and started 
Seamonkey 2.15 there.  No sign of it.


Yeah. I never saw a macro in my SM installations. Maybe it was from an 
extension addon?

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Re: Seamonkey uses too much memory

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On 4/2/2019 12:27 AM, Daniel wrote:
...

I used NCSA Mosaic at first.


I've heard of 'Mosaic'!! ;-) BMT!!


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Re: SeaMonkey v2.49.5 stable finally released!

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:D

On 4/1/2019 6:21 AM, Wolf wrote:

That's a hard one. ;-)

Saludos
Wolf


Ant schrieb:

April Fools! I wished it was out though. :P

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SeaMonkey v2.49.5 stable finally released!

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April Fools! I wished it was out though. :P
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Re: Seamonkey uses too much memory

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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 13:28:54 -0700, Ant  in
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Ditto. I always loved the suite products, since Netscape days, even
though people think I am crazy!


I started out on Netscape 3.0 -- Navigator


I think I started with v2.
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Re: Can't View Instagram

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On 3/27/2019 4:23 PM, Ant wrote:

On 3/27/2019 4:59 AM, Tom Pamin wrote:
When trying to view Instagram, all I get is a white page with a little 
gray square in the middle. It works fine with IE. I went to Cookie 
Manager and deleted all info there. Any way to fix this?


I also noticed this a few days ago too in my SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web 
browser, but it's gone now. :/


Oh no. Not again. I see missing stuff like in 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvjXbJElheT/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet=vs6nj2cwjnkf. 
:(

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Re: Can't View Instagram

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On 3/27/2019 4:59 AM, Tom Pamin wrote:
When trying to view Instagram, all I get is a white page with a little 
gray square in the middle. It works fine with IE. I went to Cookie 
Manager and deleted all info there. Any way to fix this?


I also noticed this a few days ago too in my SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web 
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Re: Mozilla freezes computer

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On 3/27/2019 3:54 PM, Paul in Houston, TX wrote:

Mike C wrote:

Sometimes there's mysteries!

First I COMPLETELY uninstalled all Mozilla stuff (Firefox and Seamonkey).

I then created a new user account in Windows and installed Firefox and
Seamonkey there.  All worked fine!

Then I went back to my regular User account and installed Firefox and
Seamonkey.  Lo and behold ALL WORKS FINE (Smiling)!

Thanks for trying to help!


Computers often do weird things every now and then for reasons beyond 
human comprehension.


Ditto. Computers and other electronics drive me crazy. Sometimes, they 
are real issues like bugs. I wished companies take QA testings more 
seriously and not go cheap.

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Re: Seamonkey uses too much memory

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On 3/22/2019 5:37 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 3/22/19 4:53 AM, Ant wrote:

On 3/21/2019 5:13 AM, Gabriel wrote:

Ant wrote on 17/03/2019 00:29:

On 3/16/2019 12:27 PM, BERTRAND Joël wrote:

Ant via support-seamonkey a écrit :

On 3/15/2019 8:54 AM, j...@comcast.com wrote:
This morning, in less than 3 hours of running, Seamonkey had 
taken over
2.5 gig of memory and was climbing.  About 8 tabs were open -- 
including 4

for the application FACEBOOK.

It had frozen and was past the point of graceful shutdown though 
i might
have been able to do that with about 30 minutes work.  (I have 
before)


Is there a way to make it use less memory?  If so, what would it be?


No. Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. are the big memory and CPU hoggers in 
my SeaMonkey usages especially with multiple tabs. I always have 
to exit and relaunch SM to regain them after using these web 
sites. :(


 Maybe. But I see that Facebook or Linkedin eat less memory 
when I open them on Firefox or Chromium...


SeaMonkey v2.49.4 (basically Firefox v52) is still using old Gecko 
engine compared to the (new/lat)est Firefox web browsers that use 
Quantum. :(




Hi, I'm using both Firefox and SeaMonkey (and Safari) and I see a lot 
of differences in speed and hangs.
Firefox does not hang even with a lot of tabs (and many Facebook 
pages and groups in different tabs, YouTube videos and other huge 
websites), while I have SM blocked many times a day.

And this is on iMac 5K with 24GB of RAM!

One main difference I see on macOS between Firefox and SM is that FF 
splits the load in several processes (they were 4, now 8 with FF 66) 
while SM is just one big application.

Eg. now I have:
- SeaMonkey 3,58 GB
- Firefox 825 MB
- FirefoxCP WebExtensions 362 MB
- FirefoxCP Web Content 485 MB
- FirefoxCP Web Content 425 MB
- FirefoxCP Web Content 206 MB

Why this is not applied to SM?
http://www.erahm.org/2019/03/13/doubling-the-number-of-content-processes-in-firefox/ 



PS: SeaMnokey is also using more CPU than Firefox, even when it's in 
background!


Like I said in my last post, the current stable SeaMonkey v2.49.4 is 
still using old Gecko engine (Firefox v52) compared to the 
(new/lat)est Firefox web browsers that use Quantum.  :(


Quantum isn't an engine. It's just a branding like Ford Focus, Google 
Chrome. Firefox Quantum.


What's the correct saying then? Newer Gecko engine version?
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Re: Seamonkey uses too much memory

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On 3/21/2019 5:13 AM, Gabriel wrote:

Ant wrote on 17/03/2019 00:29:

On 3/16/2019 12:27 PM, BERTRAND Joël wrote:

Ant via support-seamonkey a écrit :

On 3/15/2019 8:54 AM, j...@comcast.com wrote:
This morning, in less than 3 hours of running, Seamonkey had taken 
over
2.5 gig of memory and was climbing.  About 8 tabs were open -- 
including 4

for the application FACEBOOK.

It had frozen and was past the point of graceful shutdown though i 
might

have been able to do that with about 30 minutes work.  (I have before)

Is there a way to make it use less memory?  If so, what would it be?


No. Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. are the big memory and CPU hoggers in 
my SeaMonkey usages especially with multiple tabs. I always have to 
exit and relaunch SM to regain them after using these web sites. :(


 Maybe. But I see that Facebook or Linkedin eat less memory when 
I open them on Firefox or Chromium...


SeaMonkey v2.49.4 (basically Firefox v52) is still using old Gecko 
engine compared to the (new/lat)est Firefox web browsers that use 
Quantum. :(




Hi, I'm using both Firefox and SeaMonkey (and Safari) and I see a lot of 
differences in speed and hangs.
Firefox does not hang even with a lot of tabs (and many Facebook pages 
and groups in different tabs, YouTube videos and other huge websites), 
while I have SM blocked many times a day.

And this is on iMac 5K with 24GB of RAM!

One main difference I see on macOS between Firefox and SM is that FF 
splits the load in several processes (they were 4, now 8 with FF 66) 
while SM is just one big application.

Eg. now I have:
- SeaMonkey 3,58 GB
- Firefox 825 MB
- FirefoxCP WebExtensions 362 MB
- FirefoxCP Web Content 485 MB
- FirefoxCP Web Content 425 MB
- FirefoxCP Web Content 206 MB

Why this is not applied to SM?
http://www.erahm.org/2019/03/13/doubling-the-number-of-content-processes-in-firefox/ 



PS: SeaMnokey is also using more CPU than Firefox, even when it's in 
background!


Like I said in my last post, the current stable SeaMonkey v2.49.4 is 
still using old Gecko engine (Firefox v52) compared to the (new/lat)est 
Firefox web browsers that use Quantum.  :(

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Re: Seamonkey uses too much memory

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Yes if it helps SeaMonkey! :/

On 3/20/2019 12:16 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

No :)

WaltS48 wrote:
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Re: Seamonkey uses too much memory

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On 3/19/2019 4:12 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:



Ant wrote:

On 3/19/2019 12:41 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
 > No problems. I know the pain. It will take a while (years?) to get 
SeaMonkey

 > onto the newer Gecko engines like Quantum to fix these issues. :(

There is no new Gecko engine. 56 is pretty close to 57 and not that 
much different from 60. Quantum is more of a marketing gag.


Oh. I thought that was the new Gecko engine, but v52 to v56 is a big 
change. SM needs that badly. :(


Pick Bills build and backup your profile:
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/

Halfway to 2.57 and based on latest 56 with now around 1200 patches.

Uses my patch queue and we accept filing bugs against it.


Eh, I'll wait for the public stable version. :)
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Re: Seamonkey uses too much memory

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On 3/19/2019 12:41 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
 > No problems. I know the pain. It will take a while (years?) to get 
SeaMonkey

 > onto the newer Gecko engines like Quantum to fix these issues. :(

There is no new Gecko engine. 56 is pretty close to 57 and not that much 
different from 60. Quantum is more of a marketing gag.


Oh. I thought that was the new Gecko engine, but v52 to v56 is a big 
change. SM needs that badly. :(



There are always some optimizations being made which reduce memory 
usuage. Much was because of ripped out functionality.


The biggest changes between 56 and 60 are the new style system named 
stylo. Only big component used and written in rust (which I don't care 
for because seems to be just another overhyped programming language). 
Also e10s is always on in Fx thanks to no more classic extensions so you 
will see a more responsive browser with s*cky websites like facebook. 
Memory comsumption here is up because of multiple processes.


webrender might become a thing in 68 but with so many half baked  > graphics 
drivers around we will see how it works on older PCs.


That could be a problem for me since others and I use our decade old 
computers (Windows 7, Mac OS X, and Debian oldstable/Jessie v8)! :(



In reality the browsing component of 2.57 already on the "new" shiny 
quantum does not feel much different form the patched up unofficial 
2.53. The only big difference here is missing e10s and this does not do 
anything to reduce menory.


Dang it. :(



Running 60 at work now and then and I still prefer SeaMonkey even with 
its limitations :)


Ditto. I always loved the suite products, since Netscape days, even 
though people think I am crazy!



There are a lot of good people still working on Gecko and doing good 
things but Fx will never again be my browser of choice. Porting 
SeaMonkey to the latest source would mean ripping out more things like 
themes and bookmark enhancements and and. The resulting product would 
probably be nothing I care about so I am just looking forward to get 
2.57 done and see what happens then.


Same here even though I do have and use it just in case since MS and 
many web sites don't support its IE11. I hate Google Chrome! :(

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Re: Seamonkey uses too much memory

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On 3/19/2019 4:32 AM, j...@comcast.com wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 12:19:48 -0700, Ant  in
mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote:


Is there a way to make it use less memory?  If so, what would it be?


No. Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. are the big memory and CPU hoggers in my
SeaMonkey usages especially with multiple tabs.



Thanks.  I just wondered.


No problems. I know the pain. It will take a while (years?) to get 
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Re: Seamonkey uses too much memory

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On 3/16/2019 12:27 PM, BERTRAND Joël wrote:

Ant via support-seamonkey a écrit :

On 3/15/2019 8:54 AM, j...@comcast.com wrote:

This morning, in less than 3 hours of running, Seamonkey had taken over
2.5 gig of memory and was climbing.  About 8 tabs were open -- 
including 4

for the application FACEBOOK.

It had frozen and was past the point of graceful shutdown though i might
have been able to do that with about 30 minutes work.  (I have before)

Is there a way to make it use less memory?  If so, what would it be?


No. Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. are the big memory and CPU hoggers in my 
SeaMonkey usages especially with multiple tabs. I always have to exit 
and relaunch SM to regain them after using these web sites. :(


 Maybe. But I see that Facebook or Linkedin eat less memory when I 
open them on Firefox or Chromium...


SeaMonkey v2.49.4 (basically Firefox v52) is still using old Gecko 
engine compared to the (new/lat)est Firefox web browsers that use 
Quantum. :(

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Re: Seamonkey uses too much memory

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On 3/15/2019 8:54 AM, j...@comcast.com wrote:

This morning, in less than 3 hours of running, Seamonkey had taken over
2.5 gig of memory and was climbing.  About 8 tabs were open -- including 4
for the application FACEBOOK.

It had frozen and was past the point of graceful shutdown though i might
have been able to do that with about 30 minutes work.  (I have before)

Is there a way to make it use less memory?  If so, what would it be?


No. Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. are the big memory and CPU hoggers in my 
SeaMonkey usages especially with multiple tabs. I always have to exit 
and relaunch SM to regain them after using these web sites. :(

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Re: Should the size of the memory cache be a setting in preferences?

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On 2/27/2019 4:29 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
...
I did have some trouble this afternoon as I was perusing Google News. 
For some stories, I clicked "View full coverage" and each time I did, SM 
hung. As before, CPU peaked at 26–27% and RAM usage was a little over 2 
GB. After two or three minutes, the cursor returned to its usual arrow 
shape and CPU usage fell to under 10%. But the next time I clicked "View 
full coverage," it was like standing on the brakes again.


http://news.google.com, http://linkedin.com (logged in), 
http://facebook.com, etc. are SO slow and bloated in SM esp. with 
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Re: No *.webp image support?

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Darn and thanks. I'll be waiting a very long time then. :)

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Re: new sniffing issue?

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On 2/20/2019 10:48 AM, NFN Smith wrote:

Hawker wrote:

So this website
https://neodenusa.com/

Returns 403: Forbidden nginx
in SM.

When I spoof a FF UA then it works fine.

WTF is going on here? Forbidden?


Looks like the site operator doesn't want to bother with Seamonkey at all.

I did some playing with spoofing, and it looks like it's rejecting any 
UA that shows "seamonkey".  I tried spoofing 53.0 (as Firefox 60.0) and 
that rejected, too.  On the other hand, no problems with spoofing 
Firefox 52.9 ESR. Also, no problem spoofing PaleMoon


Might be that the site operator is assuming that Seamonkey is dead.

Smith


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Re: No *.webp image support?

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On 2/20/2019 3:21 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 2/20/19 4:59 PM, Ant wrote:

Hello.

Is it me or does SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browser not support *.webp 
images like in 
https://www.download.hr/forum/threads/music-player-pro-4-free.17495/ 
web page? I tried to view/open its 
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/e1Zc893Ww5j28-0lVXj6aiLroODCF5wE64ek0BiC19ffaEIIujA9gDF7WskBImHZ0A=w360-h220-rw 
directly, but it asked me to what to do with it. :( Firefox v65.0.1 
had no problems, but IE11 did (broken images) so I assume it is the 
old web browsers.


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering. :)


SeaMonkey probably doesn't support the WebP image format which was added 
to Firefox 65.0.


"Improved performance and web compatibility, with support for the WebP 
image format: WebP brings the same image quality as existing formats at 
smaller file sizes, which saves bandwidth and speeds up page load."


REF: 


Ah, thanks. That makes sense. Hopefully, a next major SM version (not 
v2.49.5) will have it but that will be a long time. :(

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No *.webp image support?

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Hello.

Is it me or does SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browser not support *.webp images 
like in 
https://www.download.hr/forum/threads/music-player-pro-4-free.17495/ web 
page? I tried to view/open its 
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directly, but it asked me to what to do with it. :( Firefox v65.0.1 had 
no problems, but IE11 did (broken images) so I assume it is the old web 
browsers.


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Re: Very high CPU usage on this website

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On 2/19/2019 4:11 PM, flyguy wrote:
Seamonkey 2.49.4 (Win 10 OS) CPU usage goes from about 5% to 65% after I 
load this cartoon website:


https://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/

Using Chrome, the same web site causes only a 5% rise in CPU usage. 
Every thing slows down, the fan comes on loudly - What the heck is going 
on with Seamonkey, and can it fixed?


No problems in my SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browser on my decade old, 
updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. I also use uBlock Origin to block ads. Do 
you use an ad blocker? Also, do you have this problem in other comic 
strips hosted in https://www.gocomics.com server?

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"All humors aside… ;("

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https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2019/02/18/all-humors-aside/

A long read. :(
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"2.49.5? Where is it? Quick! Call Waldo!"

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https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2019/02/04/2-49-5-where-is-it-quick-call-waldo/ 


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Re: when do you think we will see the next official SM release?

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On 1/25/2019 2:28 PM, Hawker wrote:
Been trying to slog though all the info about SM and it's current issues 
and in the end I'm mostly just confused. Given that, and the increasing 
issues I am having with a SM built on the FF52 code (and so kicking and 
screaming to FF and Opera when I have to) I'm wondering when we might 
realistically have a build based beyond just a 2.49.x?


Is there any way to venture a reasonable guess?


I am guessing years. :(
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Re: Sending one html mail

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On 1/10/2019 10:55 AM, Lemuel Johnson wrote:

On 1/10/2019 12:30 PM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
I normally send plain text mails but occasionally feel the need to 
send a mail in html format, normally because I need the html 
formatting for that one mail.
The only way I can think of to do this is to set the recipient as 
"Prefers to receive messages formatted as HTML" in the address-book, 
reverting to "Unknown" or "Plain Text" after the mail has been sent.


Is there another way?  I have not found one.


Hold down the Shift key when you click on the "Compose" icon in the tool 
bar?


Or in its toolbar icon, use compose's down arrow option to get two 
format options.

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Re: Crashes

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On 12/31/2018 7:09 AM, Ken Rudolph wrote:

A Williams wrote:

Ken Rudolph wrote:
SeaMonkey has crashed 3 times today.  I'm not sure why; but maybe I 
do need to update the program finally...I've been hesitant to do it 
since I have had no problems with SM until today.  Anyway, W-10, SM 
2.49.1 (yeah, I know, very out of date).


Look, I go back to Netscape 0.8, so I'm not exactly a newbee.  Still, 
I'm always afraid to update SeaMonkey - afraid that my profile will 
get corrupted or something will go wrong.  I'm just curious if 
experts think that upgrading to 2.49.4 (which seems to be the latest 
version) would stop these annoying crashes.




Do you have any add-ons which have been updated recently?
Does about:crashes show anything useful?  (it never has for me though)
Other than that: I'd clear Cache, empty Trash, Compact mail-folders.
2.49.1 counts as "recent" in my book, it should be stable but 
something is causing it to die.


Every one of the crashes says that the reason is:

  EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION_READ


Can you please kindly share the details of these crashes?
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Re: Does SeaMonkey keep its browsing history forever until I tell it to clear it?

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On 1/5/2019 7:58 AM, David E. Ross wrote:


Do you not want a copy of "Expire history by days"?


Yes for browsing history.


It is at
.  Note
that this will NOT work in a Webextensions environment.


Thanks. I used to use the one from PrefBar, but it didn't work anymore. :(
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Re: Does SeaMonkey keep its browsing history forever until I tell it to clear it?

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On 1/4/2019 12:26 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 1/4/2019 9:53 AM, Ant wrote:

On 1/3/2019 11:46 PM, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

On 1/2/2019 10:32 AM, Ant wrote:

Or is there a limit? I cannot seem to find the answer online. :(






I was talking about browsing history, not form and search history. I
have that feature option disabled.


Do you not want a copy of "Expire history by days"?


Yes for browsing history.
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Re: Does SeaMonkey keep its browsing history forever until I tell it to clear it?

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On 1/3/2019 11:46 PM, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

On 1/2/2019 10:32 AM, Ant wrote:

Or is there a limit? I cannot seem to find the answer online. :(



 


I was talking about browsing history, not form and search history. I 
have that feature option disabled.

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Re: Does SeaMonkey keep its browsing history forever until I tell it to clear it?

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On 1/3/2019 3:31 PM, Mason83 wrote:

On 02/01/2019 10:32, Ant wrote:


Or is there a limit? I cannot seem to find the answer online. :(


places.history.expiration.transient_current_max_pages ?


Hmm, my SM's about:config shows different user set values like 90842.
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Does SeaMonkey keep its browsing history forever until I tell it to clear it?

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Or is there a limit? I cannot seem to find the answer online. :(
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Re: After clearing SM v2.49.4's browsing history, it still shows visited links on web sites.

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On 12/28/2018 7:30 AM, David E. Ross wrote:


Then I surrender.  I do not know how to fix your problem.


Thanks anyways. :)
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Re: After clearing SM v2.49.4's browsing history, it still shows visited links on web sites.

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On 12/27/2018 8:21 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/27/2018 5:56 PM, Ant wrote:

On 12/27/2018 4:34 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
...

How did you attempt to clear your browsing history?  Is is possible that
you want to clear your Location Bar (address bar, aka URI bar) history,
which is different from your browsing history?


I used SM's menu's clear private data to clear all of its histories.



The Private Data window shows four different histories, each separate
from the others:  browsing, location bar (address area), download, and
saved formm and search.  Before you use [Tools > Private Data], you must
first specify what you mean by "private data" by going to [Edit >
Preferences > Privacy & Security > Private Data].  Did you do that?


Yes, I told it to clear all those (not greyed out).
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Re: After clearing SM v2.49.4's browsing history, it still shows visited links on web sites.

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On 12/27/2018 4:34 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
...

How did you attempt to clear your browsing history?  Is is possible that
you want to clear your Location Bar (address bar, aka URI bar) history,
which is different from your browsing history?


I used SM's menu's clear private data to clear all of its histories.
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Re: After clearing SM v2.49.4's browsing history, it still shows visited links on web sites.

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On 12/26/2018 7:30 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 12/26/2018 7:03 PM, Ant wrote:

Even though I don't see them in my browsing history. Do you guys see
this problem too?


When I clear the history, I must then reload the current Web page to
have link colors on that page revert back to "unvisited".


Well, this is after I restarted my SM too. :(
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Even though I don't see them in my browsing history. Do you guys see 
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Re: WEB site work with Chrome only... why???

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On 12/25/2018 10:53 AM, Danny Kile wrote:
The following website will not work with SM or Internet Explorer. I had 
to load Chrome to get it to work. When typing inn the search bar with SM 
it does not show the charters that you type just spaces. However, if you 
type in "badge" and then click the magnifier glass it will search. Now 
in IE you can not even type into the search filed at all. In Chrome 
everything work as you would expect.


Anyone know why this is the case?

Thank you for you assistance.


https://bluemail.help/search/?badge?lang=en


Because web developers and designers don't test for other web browsers. 
Chrome has big percentage of users. It's like Netscape vs. Internet 
Explorer during the old days. :(

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Re: "Updating everyone…" --SeaMonkey Project Blog on 12/19/2018...

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On 12/24/2018 5:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

On 12/23/2018 06:12 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
 > In any case, I think it would be better to spend effort into 
migration to

 > something future oriented, even if it means to lose loved features or
 > functionality, than to spend the effort in keeping something 
outdated alive.


Personally my heart isn't into this. Even while paving the way to 2.57 
I am always going to add this and that to 2.53 because that is for me 
the version where everything still works.


I date back back to Netscape 4. I use SeaMonkey because it kept a *VERY* 
neat functional user interface {*LACKING* Firefox/Thunderbird}. I 
particularly want to have browser and email in the same package. I even 
occasionally use Composer. I don't have a current programming skill set 
- 8080/8085 assembler primarily ;/


I went further back since Netscape v2 days. I agree with its GUI design. 
People think I am crazy for using bloated suites.

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Re: "Updating everyone…" --SeaMonkey Project Blog on 12/19/2018...

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Ditto.

On 12/22/2018 3:55 PM, user@domain.invalid wrote:
First of all, as a Seamonkey user from day one I have to say a big 
thanks to all the the people involved in keeping this project alive and 
providing such a fantastic web suite for so many years! Your work is 
really appreciated and I think most users do fully understand how much 
of your time and effort is needed to get this done.


That being said: after reading the blog update I'm not very optimistic 
about the options the seamonkey project has because in my optinion 
Seamonkey will have to go for Quantum in order to keep up with the web 
standards and new technology. Without an competitive rendering engine it 
will not have any future. And if this means that classic extensions will 
no longer be supported or loved features will have to be dropped then it 
should be done. Because without an up to date engine Seamonkey will not 
be able to appeal to new users and long time users will slowly move on 
as well. I.e. in my optinion Seamonkey would not have a future without 
an up-to-date engine.


Would it maybe be possible to build some XUL layer on top of Quantum? I 
mean a way to still provide the needed interfaces for XUL, but in the 
end render everything using the new engine?


In any case, I think it would be better to spend effort into migration 
to something future oriented, even if it means to lose loved features or 
functionality, than to spend the effort in keeping something outdated 
alive.


Whatever the future of the Seamonkey project will be, I'm very thankful 
for the people caring for the project and supporting it.

You're all great!

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Also, happy new year and see you in 2019. I'll be still using SM even 
though it is harder to use it with the bloated, slow, and unsupported 
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Re: Can't copy an e-mail into its same folder in SeaMoney v2.49.4?

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On 12/17/2018 8:56 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:

Ray_Net wrote:

Ant wrote on 16-12-18 09:53:
I wanted to duplicate the e-mail, but it didn't work. I can copy into 
another folder and then move it to where I want. Is this a bug or by 
design?


Could you copy a file in the same directory of the same hard-disk on 
your pc ?


CTRL-C then CTRL-V would it create the same file with the same name ?


Windows 10 will use the same file name and append " - Copy" to it.


This is what I was expecting. W7 does it too. I assume other versions as 
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I wanted to duplicate the e-mail, but it didn't work. I can copy into 
another folder and then move it to where I want. Is this a bug or by design?

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Re: Where are data manager datas stored in SeaMonkey v2.49.4?

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On 12/11/2018 10:43 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Ant wrote:

Oh. Hmm, how come in web browser's URL, it still remembers my past 
histories even though I cleared them out?


"Location Bar History" and "Browsing History" are two different things:

Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | Private Data

If you want SM to clear both, check both.


Yeah, I checked all of those options. :(
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Re: Where are data manager datas stored in SeaMonkey v2.49.4?

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On 12/11/2018 9:18 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 12/10/2018 12:54 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:


On 11/17/2018 7:32 PM, Ant wrote:

On 11/17/2018 11:16 AM, Ant wrote:

I re(nam/mov)ed my profile's places.sqlite, cookies.sqlite, and
permission.sqlite but still see a list of domains in my data
manager. Where are those stores?


I told SM to clear ALL private datas. It took almost a minute to
complete due to my decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC but I
still see them. I'm still confused where SM's Data Manager is
getting my past histories from.


No one knows? :(


What kind of information is being kept?  The data manager tries to show
everything in one place (including per-domain/host zoom levels and
download directories, for example), can you check several domains and
see which tabs are not greyed/inactive?


It seems to memorize everything that I visited even after clearing all 
of my histories.


The data manager shows permissions, not data.


Oh. Hmm, how come in web browser's URL, it still remembers my past 
histories even though I cleared them out?

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Re: Where are data manager datas stored in SeaMonkey v2.49.4?

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On 12/10/2018 12:54 AM, Nuno Silva wrote:


On 11/17/2018 7:32 PM, Ant wrote:

On 11/17/2018 11:16 AM, Ant wrote:

I re(nam/mov)ed my profile's places.sqlite, cookies.sqlite, and
permission.sqlite but still see a list of domains in my data
manager. Where are those stores?


I told SM to clear ALL private datas. It took almost a minute to
complete due to my decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC but I
still see them. I'm still confused where SM's Data Manager is
getting my past histories from.


No one knows? :(


What kind of information is being kept?  The data manager tries to show
everything in one place (including per-domain/host zoom levels and
download directories, for example), can you check several domains and
see which tabs are not greyed/inactive?


It seems to memorize everything that I visited even after clearing all 
of my histories.

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Re: Where are data manager datas stored in SeaMonkey v2.49.4?

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On 11/17/2018 7:32 PM, Ant wrote:

On 11/17/2018 11:16 AM, Ant wrote:
I re(nam/mov)ed my profile's places.sqlite, cookies.sqlite, and 
permission.sqlite but still see a list of domains in my data manager. 
Where are those stores?


I told SM to clear ALL private datas. It took almost a minute to 
complete due to my decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC but I still 
see them. I'm still confused where SM's Data Manager is getting my past 
histories from.


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Re: Migrating FF profiles to Seamonkey

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On 11/27/2018 8:16 AM, EE wrote:

Nuno Silva wrote:

Hello,

Seamonkey Navigator has been my main web browser for more than a year
now, but I still have a few user profiles left in Firefox.

What would be the best way to move these profiles to Seamonkey? I would
like to preserve as much of the original profiles as possible,
including:

- History
- Bookmarks
- Preferences
- Installed extensions, if compatible
   (there are no webextensions)
- passwords and cookies
- userContent.css

Could/should I just move the profile directories to
$HOME/.mozilla/seamonkey and add them to profiles.ini?


(Is there some way I could then disable Mail only in these migrated
profiles?)

The file places.sqlite has history and bookmarks.  I have no idea if 
they are cross-compatible any more, however.  Bookmarks are easy enough 
to transfer.  Back them up or export as HTML and restore or import into 
SeaMonkey.


SM v2.49.4's old places.sqlite will work in the newer Firefox versions, 
but not in reversed. Firefox will upgrade it.



I imagine that some preference settings have changed, so comparing them 
by comparing prefs.js files or from about:config would be a good idea. 
Since SeaMonkey does newsgroups and email as well, there are a lot more 
preference settings for it.


If the extensions for Firefox were also written for SeaMonkey, there 
would be no problem, but I would check install.rdf in the .xpi files to 
make sure that they would be compatible with the target app (SeaMonkey) 
version.  If the extensions were not written for SeaMonkey, then running 
them through the converter website 
(http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/) might be able to fix them.  That 
would depend on whether the extension needs a specific interface or not.


To transfer passwords, you need to copy key3.db and logins.json.

For cookies, you need cookies.sqlite.

You could simply copy the chrome directory into the new profile for 
userContent.css.


For me, I usually skip all this, redo them from scratch, etc. since I 
only care about my places.sqlite. Everything else can be recovered.

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Re: Data Manager and Cookies

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On 11/23/2018 8:56 AM, Danny Kile wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
If you experience a hang and/or get a message box that a script is 
busy when opening the Data Manager try deleting the webappsstore.* 
files from your profile folder when SeaMonkey is not running. These 
files contain data stored by web sites and will be recreated during 
the next start. If you are unsure if the information is needed please 
back up the files before deleting them. The problem is tracked in bug 
1305624 but so far no coding error has been found. This problem is 
been reported frequently when trying to manage passwords. But the 
problem will generally happen just after you open the Data Manager, 
because this component is also used for managing cookies, site 
preferences permissions and other settings.


Thank you for you help in this matter. Deleting the webappsstore.* files 
and letting SM recreate them has solved my problems with Data Manager. 
With that resolved I was able to go in and delete cookies and cache and 
set permissions for the wUnderground.com site. This seems to have 
cleared my issue with wUnderground.com.


Thank you for your help in this matter.


Interesting. It seems like webappsstore.sqlite is causing issues for 
users like me on https://flickmetrix.com when I couldn't get any results.

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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On 11/23/2018 9:32 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/22/2018 9:09 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are 
always changing with updates?


https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list 
I have found.


16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it 
seems to be gone. :(


That is a mistake.  They mean 64-bit, not 16-bit.


Oh hey, http://www.useragentstring.com is back online. It even has the 
newer web browser. :)


It does not load for me.  I tried with 3 different browsers.


Hmm. It still connects for me. Even its pings:
$ ping useragentstring.com
PING useragentstring.com (91.250.101.245) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from www.useragentstring.com (91.250.101.245): icmp_seq=1 
ttl=50 time=165 ms

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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On 11/22/2018 9:09 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are 
always changing with updates?


https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list I 
have found.


16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it 
seems to be gone. :(


That is a mistake.  They mean 64-bit, not 16-bit.


Oh hey, http://www.useragentstring.com is back online. It even has the 
newer web browser. :)

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Re: How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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On 11/21/2018 11:33 AM, Gabriel wrote:

Ant wrote on 17/11/2018 20:29:
Mine was about 33.2 MB! 


[cut]

Mine is 62,6 MB! And SM is taking *a lot* of RAM too, more than 5GB on 
my iMac with macOS Mojave.


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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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On 11/20/2018 8:40 AM, EE wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are always 
changing with updates?


https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/

This one is pretty good.  It is more up to date than any other list I 
have found.


16-bit OSes? I used to use http://www.useragentstring.com, but it seems 
to be gone. :(

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Re: User Agent Strings for PrefBar Spoofing

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On 11/19/2018 9:12 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

The requested file is attached as UA_spoof.btn.


Except for Edge and IE, those user-agents are a bit out of date.


Is there a list of updated UAs somewhere since web browsers are always 
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Re: How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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On 11/19/2018 9:26 AM, EE wrote:
...

Mine is 98K.  I block DOM storage and indexed DB.


Where is that option to block those?


That is in about:config.  dom.indexedDB.enabled -> false
dom.storage.enabled -> false


Thanks. Did you have any side effects by disabling DOM storage? Slower 
speeds due to lack of DOM caches?

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Re: How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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On 11/18/2018 1:01 PM, Ant wrote:

On 11/17/2018 10:53 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
...

Private Data settings:

Clear Private Data
[x] Always clear my private data when I close SeaMonkey
[ ] Ask me before clearing private data

When I ask SeaMonkey to clear my private data, it should erase:
[ ] Browsing History
[x] Location Bar History
[x] Download History
[x] Saved Form and Search History
[x] Cache
[x] Cookies
[x] Offline Website Data
[ ] Saved Passwords
[x] Authenticated Sessions


Hmm. I tried clearing all, but they didn't make my webappsstore.sqlite
file smaller at all. I guess I will have to delete this file 
manually. :(


I created a .bat file to delete all instances of webappsstore.sqlite, an
instance in each of my five SeaMonkey profiles plus one instance in my
single Thunderbird profile.


I don't understand why SM doesn't clear this file since it can cause 
issues like I ran into yesterday with https://flickmetrix.com. I wonder 
what other web sites had issues because of this file. :(


Also, I found https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857888 
(webappsstore.sqlite is larger than it should be). Not big as mine though.


I also was going to write up a suggestion report about having SM 
clearing this webappsstore.sqlite file in its clear my data option, but 
my old Mozilla's Bugzilla account was disabled due to e-mail issues 
("Your Bugzilla account has been disabled due to issues delivering 
emails to your address..."). Argh! :(


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1508190 for my new suggestion.
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Re: How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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On 11/17/2018 10:53 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
...

Private Data settings:

Clear Private Data
[x] Always clear my private data when I close SeaMonkey
[ ] Ask me before clearing private data

When I ask SeaMonkey to clear my private data, it should erase:
[ ] Browsing History
[x] Location Bar History
[x] Download History
[x] Saved Form and Search History
[x] Cache
[x] Cookies
[x] Offline Website Data
[ ] Saved Passwords
[x] Authenticated Sessions


Hmm. I tried clearing all, but they didn't make my webappsstore.sqlite
file smaller at all. I guess I will have to delete this file manually. :(


I created a .bat file to delete all instances of webappsstore.sqlite, an
instance in each of my five SeaMonkey profiles plus one instance in my
single Thunderbird profile.


I don't understand why SM doesn't clear this file since it can cause 
issues like I ran into yesterday with https://flickmetrix.com. I wonder 
what other web sites had issues because of this file. :(


Also, I found https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857888 
(webappsstore.sqlite is larger than it should be). Not big as mine though.


I also was going to write up a suggestion report about having SM 
clearing this webappsstore.sqlite file in its clear my data option, but 
my old Mozilla's Bugzilla account was disabled due to e-mail issues 
("Your Bugzilla account has been disabled due to issues delivering 
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Re: How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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On 11/18/2018 11:10 AM, EE wrote:

David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/17/2018 11:29 AM, Ant wrote:

Mine was about 33.2 MB! I noticed https://flickmetrix.com wasn't showing
its results because of it (corrupted?) until I (delet/remov)ed it. It
took me a while to figure out why this web site wasn't working until I
tried a private window in my existing profile and a new profile.



In my primary profile, it is 1.09 MB.  I delete webappsstore.sqlite from
all profiles each week before doing a total system backup.  If the file
does not exist, a new version will download when I next launch SeaMonkey.

I also delete the contents of the storage and safebrowsing folders and
all caches before doing my backup.  These too are regenerated when I
next launch SeaMonkey.


Mine is 98K.  I block DOM storage and indexed DB.


Where is that option to block those?
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Re: How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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On 11/18/2018 6:04 AM, Don Spam's reckless Son wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 11/17/2018 12:44 PM, Don Spam's reckless Son wrote:

Ant wrote:
Mine was about 33.2 MB! I noticed https://flickmetrix.com wasn't 
showing its results because of it (corrupted?) until I 
(delet/remov)ed it. It took me a while to figure out why this web 
site wasn't working until I tried a private window in my existing 
profile and a new profile.


29.8 MB in my case.


Wow, yours is big too. When was the last time purged it?


I don't think I have purged it all, I have never felt the need.


Same here since I installed SM v2.46 back in late October 2016. I didn't 
know about it until I investigated it yesterday since I was having 
problems with https://flickmetrix.com and wasn't able to reproduce it in 
other setups and profiles. It was interesting how that file can cause 
issues. Sheesh! :(

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Re: Where are data manager datas stored in SeaMonkey v2.49.4?

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On 11/17/2018 11:16 AM, Ant wrote:
I re(nam/mov)ed my profile's places.sqlite, cookies.sqlite, and 
permission.sqlite but still see a list of domains in my data manager. 
Where are those stores?


I told SM to clear ALL private datas. It took almost a minute to 
complete due to my decade old, updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC but I still 
see them. I'm still confused where SM's Data Manager is getting my past 
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Re: How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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On 11/17/2018 5:55 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
...
Not sure if this is relevant, but I regularly clear cache and 
cookies, and I have SM set to clear them automatically on shutdown.


Hmm, only cookies and caches?


Private Data settings:

Clear Private Data
[x] Always clear my private data when I close SeaMonkey
[ ] Ask me before clearing private data

When I ask SeaMonkey to clear my private data, it should erase:
[ ] Browsing History
[x] Location Bar History
[x] Download History
[x] Saved Form and Search History
[x] Cache
[x] Cookies
[x] Offline Website Data
[ ] Saved Passwords
[x] Authenticated Sessions


Hmm. I tried clearing all, but they didn't make my webappsstore.sqlite 
file smaller at all. I guess I will have to delete this file manually. :(

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Re: How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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On 11/17/2018 6:52 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/17/2018 1:44 PM, Ant wrote:

On 11/17/2018 1:09 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/17/2018 11:29 AM, Ant wrote:

Mine was about 33.2 MB! I noticed https://flickmetrix.com wasn't showing
its results because of it (corrupted?) until I (delet/remov)ed it. It
took me a while to figure out why this web site wasn't working until I
tried a private window in my existing profile and a new profile.



In my primary profile, it is 1.09 MB.  I delete webappsstore.sqlite from
all profiles each week before doing a total system backup.  If the file
does not exist, a new version will download when I next launch SeaMonkey.


Download from visited web sites? Is that why I was having issues with
FlickMetrix since it had a old version in this big file?



No.  I think webappsstore.sqlite is downloaded from a Google server
during initialization immediately after you launch SeaMonkey.


https://www.google.com/search?q=webappsstore.sqlite says DOM.
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Re: How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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On 11/17/2018 1:53 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Ant wrote on 17-11-18 22:43:

On 11/17/2018 12:44 PM, Don Spam's reckless Son wrote:

Ant wrote:
Mine was about 33.2 MB! I noticed https://flickmetrix.com wasn't 
showing its results because of it (corrupted?) until I 
(delet/remov)ed it. It took me a while to figure out why this web 
site wasn't working until I tried a private window in my existing 
profile and a new profile.


29.8 MB in my case.


Wow, yours is big too. When was the last time purged it?

How to purge it ?
And what could be a side-effect of purging it ?


(Delet/Renam)ing webappsstore.sqlite file with SM closed. I haven't see 
any side effects except https://flickmetrix.com worked again with its 
results. From what I read online, it just DOM cached stuff from web sites.

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Re: How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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On 11/17/2018 2:39 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Ant wrote:

Mine was about 33.2 MB! I noticed https://flickmetrix.com wasn't 
showing its results because of it (corrupted?) until I (delet/remov)ed 
it. It took me a while to figure out why this web site wasn't working 
until I tried a private window in my existing profile and a new profile.


3 KB.

Not sure if this is relevant, but I regularly clear cache and cookies, 
and I have SM set to clear them automatically on shutdown.


Hmm, only cookies and caches?
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Re: Problem with google

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On 11/17/2018 8:47 AM, Ray_Net wrote:

In the Google screen the textbox for resaerch - suddently works anormaly.

The text I type, il located in the upper half of the textbox, and my 
typing is limited in length ...


this is a sample chen I typed: CECI EST UN TEST EN ESSAI

All the text is present but not visible entirely.

You may see this by looking at
https://www.cjoint.com/c/HKrqGKzHrsO

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1


Windows 10


Perhaps caused by ths installation of this update

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4023057/update-to-windows-10-versions-1507-1511-1607-1703-1709-and-1803-for-up 


Done yesterday.


This is an old known issue with old SeaMonkey (SM) web browser. Google 
needs to fix it on their end, but it doesn't look like they will. As a 
workaround, you can disable SM's user agent string option not to 
advertise Firefox compability as shown in my uploaded 
https://image.ibb.co/emUTn0/Disable-UAstring-Advertise-Firefox-Compatbility.gif 
screen capture/shot.


Please do let Google about this issue through/via its 
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Re: How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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On 11/17/2018 1:09 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 11/17/2018 11:29 AM, Ant wrote:

Mine was about 33.2 MB! I noticed https://flickmetrix.com wasn't showing
its results because of it (corrupted?) until I (delet/remov)ed it. It
took me a while to figure out why this web site wasn't working until I
tried a private window in my existing profile and a new profile.



In my primary profile, it is 1.09 MB.  I delete webappsstore.sqlite from
all profiles each week before doing a total system backup.  If the file
does not exist, a new version will download when I next launch SeaMonkey.


Download from visited web sites? Is that why I was having issues with 
FlickMetrix since it had a old version in this big file?

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Re: How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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On 11/17/2018 12:44 PM, Don Spam's reckless Son wrote:

Ant wrote:
Mine was about 33.2 MB! I noticed https://flickmetrix.com wasn't 
showing its results because of it (corrupted?) until I (delet/remov)ed 
it. It took me a while to figure out why this web site wasn't working 
until I tried a private window in my existing profile and a new profile.


29.8 MB in my case.


Wow, yours is big too. When was the last time purged it?
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How big is your webappsstore.sqlite file?

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Mine was about 33.2 MB! I noticed https://flickmetrix.com wasn't showing 
its results because of it (corrupted?) until I (delet/remov)ed it. It 
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Where are data manager datas stored in SeaMonkey v2.49.4?

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I re(nam/mov)ed my profile's places.sqlite, cookies.sqlite, and 
permission.sqlite but still see a list of domains in my data manager. 
Where are those stores?

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Re: Weird problem with Google

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On 11/16/2018 11:26 PM, Jonathan Wilson wrote:

Thanks, that seems to work.


You're welcome. Please do let Google about this issue through/via its 
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Re: Weird problem with Google

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On 11/16/2018 6:38 PM, Jonathan Wilson wrote:

When I try to search for things with Google, I get this
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10F-vnAElpyTDBL3AR3ysWV1QSY8n8X7a/view?usp=sharing 



I have tried with a fresh brand new test profile, I have tried deleting 
any and all Google cookies and I have tried restarting the browser 
several times and nothing works. Google does display correctly in 
Internet Explorer, just not in SeaMonkey (I have version 2.49.4 which I 
believe is the latest version)


Anyone got any ideas what might be going on or how to fix it?


Jonathan, this is an old known issue with old SeaMonkey (SM) web 
browser. Google needs to fix it on their end, but it doesn't look like 
they will. As a workaround, you can disable SM's user agent string 
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Re: Is anyone else having problems with Google Voice in SeaMonkey v2.49.4?

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On 10/26/2018 11:27 AM, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

Ant via support-seamonkey wrote:
Both my old updated 64-bit Debian oldstable/Jessie v8 and W7 HPE SP1's 
SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browsers get stuck animated spinning circle 
animations after logging into http://voice.google.com as of yesterday. 
It was fine before yesterday.


I had no problems with old Firefox v52.9 (used to be ESR) web browser 
though. I tried changing user agent strings and a brand new profile, 
but no luck. :(


What about the rest of you?


I don't have an account so can't log in to try it. However, since it's 
Google, try DISabling "Advertise Firefox compatibility", so that the UA 
string includes SeaMonkey but NOT Firefox - that seems to work better on 
a number of Google sites.


Yeah, I already tried that as part of my UA tests. Same result. :(
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Is anyone else having problems with Google Voice in SeaMonkey v2.49.4?

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Both my old updated 64-bit Debian oldstable/Jessie v8 and W7 HPE SP1's 
SeaMonkey v2.49.4 web browsers get stuck animated spinning circle 
animations after logging into http://voice.google.com as of yesterday. 
It was fine before yesterday.


I had no problems with old Firefox v52.9 (used to be ESR) web browser 
though. I tried changing user agent strings and a brand new profile, but 
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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

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On 10/20/2018 11:15 PM, Daniel wrote:

Ant wrote on 21/10/2018 8:26 AM:

On 10/20/2018 2:56 AM, chokito wrote:

Am Samstag, 20. Oktober 2018 01:26:50 UTC+2 schrieb Ant:

Questions:
1. What is fixed in v2.49.5 from v2.49.4?
2. Is there a
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.4.en-US.win64.zip 
somewhere?



Always only the latest version is available:
https://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.5.en-US.win64.zip


Hmm OK. I finally downloaded, extracted, and ran the portable version 
after backing up my profile. I noticed my Mail showed events. Is this 
a new feature for the future versions? I turned it off from its prompt 
since I don't use it. Memory usage seems better when I opened about 18 
tabs of YouTube videos (not autoplaying). Rendering like on 
http://news.google.com is still slow. It's too early that this is 
better for me. To be continued...


When you mentioned "events", are you meaning the Calendar/Lightning, 
Ant?? I think there was talk of it being incorporated into the package 
 or am I thinking of Chatzilla??


Yes, Calendar/Lightning thing. I was like what is this doing in here?


And I think wg9s' releases are, sort of, bleeding edge, so it was a good 
idea to back up your profile!!


I did. ;)

However, I went back to my official 32-bit SM after using it since there 
weren't really improvements. I was hoping faster speeds with better 
memory managements with the crazy leaks from badly designed web sites. 
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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

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On 10/20/2018 2:56 AM, chokito wrote:

Am Samstag, 20. Oktober 2018 01:26:50 UTC+2 schrieb Ant:

Questions:
1. What is fixed in v2.49.5 from v2.49.4?
2. Is there a
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.4.en-US.win64.zip somewhere?


Always only the latest version is available:
https://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.5.en-US.win64.zip


Hmm OK. I finally downloaded, extracted, and ran the portable version 
after backing up my profile. I noticed my Mail showed events. Is this a 
new feature for the future versions? I turned it off from its prompt 
since I don't use it. Memory usage seems better when I opened about 18 
tabs of YouTube videos (not autoplaying). Rendering like on 
http://news.google.com is still slow. It's too early that this is better 
for me. To be continued...

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Re: 32bit & 64bit SM questions.

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Questions:
1. What is fixed in v2.49.5 from v2.49.4?
2. Is there a 
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/seamonkey-2.49.4.en-US.win64.zip somewhere?



On 10/12/2018 8:09 PM, Ant wrote:
Thanks! I do use the updated Flash plugins from Adobe. Flash is rarely 
used though. Oops, I meant to say UNofficial 64-bit. :(



On 10/12/2018 1:26 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
You can have both x86 and x64 installed. There is no 64 Bit official 
2.49 available. Everything Windows x64 is unoffical. 2.49.5 has fixes 
over 2.49.4 but the profiles are interchangable. Extensions should 
work in both versions. The x64 version only supports Flash if you 
still use plugins. It will update DOMi to 2.0.17.2. I never found the 
time to put the updated version on AMO.


If unsure do a profile backup and just try it. I also use NoScript 
5.1.9 together with uBlock 1.16.4.4. You memory problems might well be 
tracker and third party scripts running amok.


FRG

Ant wrote:
I can't have both 32-bit official (EXE installer) and and 64-bit 
official (portable zip file) installed at the same time? I know I 
can't run both of them at the same time. Also, will my old extensions 
still work in the 64-bit portable version? Here is what I have right 
now:


Last updated: Fri Oct 12 2018 11:19:44 GMT-0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4


Extensions (enabled: 5)
* ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs)
* DOM Inspector 2.0.16.1-signed 
(http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/) (disabled)

* Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith)
* PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
* uBlock Origin 1.16.4.4 (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock)
* uBlock Origin Updater 1.6.4 
(https://github.com/JustOff/ublock0-updater/)



On 10/12/2018 1:43 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
I have seen SeaMonkey hit a GB or 2 but not much more. I hope we are 
able to provide an x64 Windows build soon after the new infra is 
ready. You can try this one if you would like to take a test drive: 
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-esr/
Please uninstall your x86 build first. The profiles are compatible. 
Mapi is not Working in x64 TB and SM Windows builds so send from 
explorer will fail. This is an unofficial build with no warranty but 
most of the the additional backports over 2.49.4 where done by me.


FRG

Ant wrote:

A couple questions:

1. Is the official Mac SeaMonkey 64-bit or 32-bit for Mac OS X 
Sierra v10.12.6 on a 2012 13.3" MacBook Pro (MBP) with 8 GB of RAM 
and 500 GB SSD?


2. In my updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1, my 32-bit SM is slow with some 
web sites especially with muliple tabs like on YouTube, Google 
News, LinkedIn, etc. For an example, it can go up to almost 3 GB of 
RAM with about 10 HTML5 YouTube video tabs (not playing all at the 
same time, just buffering them with one video playing). I don't 
have this problem in MBP. I wonder if it is capped at 3 GB of RAM 
since it is a 32-bit process even though I am using a 64-bit OS.


I hope someone can answer my technical questions. Thank you for 
reading. :)

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Re: My SM profile's storage is big!

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FYI on my web app settings before I manually deleted everything in my 
storage's directory/folder: https://i.imgur.com/1A0nxwn.gif. :/


On 10/19/2018 9:59 AM, Ant wrote:
Thanks. It looks like manually deleting everything in my profile's 
storage is OK after exiting SM. No different results from what I can 
tell so far?



On 10/19/2018 12:14 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
There is at least one bug report about clear private data not clearing 
everything. I really need to look into it but...


You need to close SeaMonkey.

What I usually do:

removing storage dir
removing storage.*
removing webappsstore.*

Might not be so easy to do this in 2.57 because web extensions 
actually use this but for 2.49.x and 2.53 it is so far fine.
Check the prefs under Advanced->Offline Apps so that not every site 
can put in junk there. This needs an overhaul too and doesn't cover 
everything now. sigh...


FRG

Ant wrote:

Hello.

My 
C:\Users\name\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever.default\storage\ 
is big (423 MB) especially in its temporary location (371 MB). How do 
I clear them out? Clearing caches doesn't do anything to it. From 
what I read, it seems to be related to offsite website data, but 
clearing my private data for it didn't work too.


I see stuff since 12/22/2016. I know I installed SM v2.46 back in 
late October 2016 due to a nasty HDD's click of death crash that 
forced me to clean install 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 and all of my softwares 
like SM. :(


Is deleting it in Windows' Explorer without SM running OK/safe or is 
there something else I missed?

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Re: My SM profile's storage is big!

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Thanks. It looks like manually deleting everything in my profile's 
storage is OK after exiting SM. No different results from what I can 
tell so far?



On 10/19/2018 12:14 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
There is at least one bug report about clear private data not clearing 
everything. I really need to look into it but...


You need to close SeaMonkey.

What I usually do:

removing storage dir
removing storage.*
removing webappsstore.*

Might not be so easy to do this in 2.57 because web extensions actually 
use this but for 2.49.x and 2.53 it is so far fine.
Check the prefs under Advanced->Offline Apps so that not every site can 
put in junk there. This needs an overhaul too and doesn't cover 
everything now. sigh...


FRG

Ant wrote:

Hello.

My 
C:\Users\name\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever.default\storage\ 
is big (423 MB) especially in its temporary location (371 MB). How do 
I clear them out? Clearing caches doesn't do anything to it. From what 
I read, it seems to be related to offsite website data, but clearing 
my private data for it didn't work too.


I see stuff since 12/22/2016. I know I installed SM v2.46 back in late 
October 2016 due to a nasty HDD's click of death crash that forced me 
to clean install 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 and all of my softwares like SM. :(


Is deleting it in Windows' Explorer without SM running OK/safe or is 
there something else I missed?


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My SM profile's storage is big!

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Hello.

My 
C:\Users\name\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\whatever.default\storage\ 
is big (423 MB) especially in its temporary location (371 MB). How do I 
clear them out? Clearing caches doesn't do anything to it. From what I 
read, it seems to be related to offsite website data, but clearing my 
private data for it didn't work too.


I see stuff since 12/22/2016. I know I installed SM v2.46 back in late 
October 2016 due to a nasty HDD's click of death crash that forced me to 
clean install 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 and all of my softwares like SM. :(


Is deleting it in Windows' Explorer without SM running OK/safe or is 
there something else I missed?


I hope to get an answer soon. :)
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Is anyone else getting annoyed with SM being really slow on some web sites these days?

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Like LinkedIn, Twitter, etc.
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Re: SeaMonkey v2.49.4's multiple tabs for e-mails...

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On 10/15/2018 9:54 AM, Ant wrote:

On 10/15/2018 6:46 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/15/18 1:47 AM, Ant wrote:
I noticed when I have scrolled down in an e-mail and then open a new 
tab for another e-mail, then going back to the original tab and it is 
back to the beginning. Is there a way to stop doing that? I hate 
losing my spot with tab switching.


Sorry, Thunderbird does the same thing.

Must be something in the shared code.


Darn. I guess I will need to leave a feedback.


Done. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1499120

I also mentioned Thunderbird too. Thanks. :)
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