Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder
Chris Ilias wrote: Snip P.S. It's hear, hear, not here, here. :) As in Good to hear, Good to hear, I guess!! I'll accept that!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: P.S. It's hear, hear, not here, here. :) As in Good to hear, Good to hear, I guess!! I'll accept that!! Not convinced. I have always believed that it is, in fact, an imperative : Hear [this], hear [this]. Others may disagree. Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12-07-25 9:13 PM, Rufus wrote: I still think it should be a user option, and not a hard coded default behavior. It is a user option and never was hardcoded. Go to SeaMonkey--Preferences--Mail__Newsgroups--Network__Storage, and uncheck Compact folders when it will save over ## MB. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-25 9:13 PM, Rufus wrote: I still think it should be a user option, and not a hard coded default behavior. It is a user option and never was hardcoded. Go to SeaMonkey--Preferences--Mail__Newsgroups--Network__Storage, and uncheck Compact folders when it will save over ## MB. And that will force Compact All on close/quit? If that's true, that's how I'll roll... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: Mike C wrote: Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not actually move them out of my Inbox? I have no idea what people are trying to say about this. Why would I Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place? And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for action? If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will then be marked as deleted and hidden from view. This where I loose it...copied? Why isn't the message *moved* to the Trash vise just being removed from display? That doesn't make any logical sense to me - true or not... Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from that folder that are marked as deleted. That makes sense - as long as it also globally removes all messages marked as deleted and still not displayed. I don't see how it would though, as it seems it will only compact the single specified Folder. Empty Trash will not only hide all messages in the Trash folder from view, but also remove them. Which is what one would expect. * Although it may not technically go through those steps. It seems easier/faster to just remove all messages in the trash, regardless if they are marked as deleted or not. It's the same result. In light of the above, I can't see why I don't see Compact All Folders requests when I have my invoke set at 20 Meg. I should think I'd see a lot of them - I don't seem to see any at all. I think I'm going to set my threshold lower - like 5 Meg - if this is what is really going on. Here's were terminology is important: When you *copy anything to a new location it also remains in the old location. When you *cut anything and paste it to a new location it's gone from the original location (it's moved). The questions are: 1)When you delete from the inbox, you are cutting or copying? Does the inbox need to be compacted? 2)When you delete from the sent folder, you are cutting or copying? Does the inbox need to be compacted? 3)When you delete from the trash, you are cutting or copying? I always thought that this was the only folder that needs compacting. Precisely. I get the impression that an actual cut is *never* performed. Nor is an actual delete. And since I'm not seeing requests to Compact All Folders, how do I force/invoke that? I can't find a menu item for it... File-Empty Trash and File-Compact Folders -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: Snip I'd be *really* happy if I had a user pref option to Compact All Folders on closing Mail, and/or SM (closing session) - Here!! Here!! (except when I accidentally delete a message I later realise I need!!) -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: »Q« wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:35:21 -0700 Rufus n...@home.com wrote: »Q« wrote: Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail occupies space within that file. I'm assuming each message is it's own file/structure... The structure of each inbox message (which is just its headers and body text*) is within a single file; that's a key in understanding how moving/deletion and compacting work, which is why I mentioned it in my first sentence in this thread. ;) but now that I look through my Profile structure that seems not to be the case. :) It doesn't matter to me really just what SM does - it's just a surprise, as my primary e-mail client - Mac Mail - doesn't structure this way. Each message is an individual file. That's a newer way of doing it. There was work going on to add support for doing it that way to Thunderbird (and so I assume to SeaMonkey), and maybe that will continue. I'd be perfectly satisfied with an option to Compact all folders on exit Mail/close session - like selections for clearing Private Data. That would be easier for the team to include, and take care of the job in a more comprehensible manner. Rufus, in another twig of this thread, I've Here Here'd this suggestion, but it's just occured to me that doing it this way *might* have some people asking how come it takes for SM to actually close!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-24 7:24 AM, Daniel wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. Chris, how does an e-mail get into the trash folder, so that, in your explanation above, it can be deleted from the trash folder?? When you select a message and click delete, it looks like it is being moved to the trash folder, but underneath it is really being copied to the trash folder. Yeap, thanks, Chris. I had thought that the message did not appear at all in the trash folder, just a counter got incremented, but I see, from all the discussion here-abouts, that a copy is actually made and placed in Trash!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: »Q« wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:35:21 -0700 Rufus n...@home.com wrote: »Q« wrote: Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail occupies space within that file. I'm assuming each message is it's own file/structure... The structure of each inbox message (which is just its headers and body text*) is within a single file; that's a key in understanding how moving/deletion and compacting work, which is why I mentioned it in my first sentence in this thread. ;) but now that I look through my Profile structure that seems not to be the case. :) It doesn't matter to me really just what SM does - it's just a surprise, as my primary e-mail client - Mac Mail - doesn't structure this way. Each message is an individual file. That's a newer way of doing it. There was work going on to add support for doing it that way to Thunderbird (and so I assume to SeaMonkey), and maybe that will continue. I'd be perfectly satisfied with an option to Compact all folders on exit Mail/close session - like selections for clearing Private Data. That would be easier for the team to include, and take care of the job in a more comprehensible manner. Rufus, in another twig of this thread, I've Here Here'd this suggestion, but it's just occured to me that doing it this way *might* have some people asking how come it takes for SM to actually close!! and that should read ...come it takes so long for SM to.! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder
On 12-07-25 9:36 AM, Rufus wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus, in another twig of this thread, I've Here Here'd this suggestion, but it's just occured to me that doing it this way *might* have some people asking how come it takes for SM to actually close!! That's why is should be an option and not a default, along with current Compact to save size operation. Let the user decide which best fits the way they work. Auto-compacting used to be off by default. Unfortunately, most users don't know what compacting is or why they should do it. As a result, they never do it, and their Inbox continuously grows in size, eventually slowing down SeaMonkey. Imagine if every message you've ever received was still stored in your inbox file, even after you've cleared your inbox via SeaMonkey. P.S. It's hear, hear, not here, here. :) -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-25 9:36 AM, Rufus wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus, in another twig of this thread, I've Here Here'd this suggestion, but it's just occured to me that doing it this way *might* have some people asking how come it takes for SM to actually close!! That's why is should be an option and not a default, along with current Compact to save size operation. Let the user decide which best fits the way they work. Auto-compacting used to be off by default. Unfortunately, most users don't know what compacting is or why they should do it. As a result, they never do it, and their Inbox continuously grows in size, eventually slowing down SeaMonkey. Imagine if every message you've ever received was still stored in your inbox file, even after you've cleared your inbox via SeaMonkey. P.S. It's hear, hear, not here, here. :) I for one certainly didn't know, or know the implications. I got the impression it was/is a *good* thing, but again I almost never see a Compact Folders notification (save 20 MB) presumably because of my own usage habits - I don't really use my SM Inbox for much. My Sent Folder, yeah... But this is another argument for why I'd prefer to be able to just set Compact All Folders at close of Mail/session. It might take some time the first time (and I'm not sure that would really be true now that I'm a bit smarter on the matter), but after that I'd think it would go smoothly and transparently. I still think it should be a user option, and not a hard coded default behavior. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-25 9:36 AM, Rufus wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus, in another twig of this thread, I've Here Here'd this suggestion, but it's just occured to me that doing it this way *might* have some people asking how come it takes for SM to actually close!! That's why is should be an option and not a default, along with current Compact to save size operation. Let the user decide which best fits the way they work. Auto-compacting used to be off by default. Unfortunately, most users don't know what compacting is or why they should do it. As a result, they never do it, and their Inbox continuously grows in size, eventually slowing down SeaMonkey. Imagine if every message you've ever received was still stored in your inbox file, even after you've cleared your inbox via SeaMonkey. P.S. It's hear, hear, not here, here. :) BTW, my theory is that the American word yeah is our rendition of hear as said by a Brit from an r-dropping dialect. So our translation of hear, hear would be yeah, yeah. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-25 9:36 AM, Rufus wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus, in another twig of this thread, I've Here Here'd this suggestion, but it's just occured to me that doing it this way *might* have some people asking how come it takes for SM to actually close!! That's why is should be an option and not a default, along with current Compact to save size operation. Let the user decide which best fits the way they work. Auto-compacting used to be off by default. Unfortunately, most users don't know what compacting is or why they should do it. As a result, they never do it, and their Inbox continuously grows in size, eventually slowing down SeaMonkey. Imagine if every message you've ever received was still stored in your inbox file, even after you've cleared your inbox via SeaMonkey. P.S. It's hear, hear, not here, here. :) BTW, my theory is that the American word yeah is our rendition of hear as said by a Brit from an r-dropping dialect. So our translation of hear, hear would be yeah, yeah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear I would have thought it derived from the o-ye, o-ye of the town criers of old(e)...or the O-yea, o-yea of the British courts, when is bourn(e) of oyeaz-oyeaz. ...which are near to spot-on for the imperative conjugation of the Spanish verb oir - to listen - which is oye. Or oyele - listen to him - in translation in accord with the Wiki. But they all seem to funnel from imperative variations of/on hear ye in meaning; though modern American vernacular would likely tend more towards listen up. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!! Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash command actually includes a Compact Folder call. Daniel said emptying Trash doesn't delete the email from the Inbox. I believe his statement to be true. The only way to remove an email from Inbox that was moved to Trash is to compact the Inbox. He was not addressing what happens in Trash. Jens used the singular Compact Folder -- if that was intentional, then only the Trash would be compacted. But if he meant to use the plural, Compact Folders would compact all folders in the account, including Inbox, and his comment would be relevant. Maybe I talking olden days, but I don't think an e-mail is really, ever, moved to Trash, it's just marked (in its header) for deletion and, maybe, a pointer is set in trash, but no e-mails in trash. Then, when the e-mail account is compacted, those e-mails marked (in their headers) for deletion, are actually deleted. But I do not do any development work on SM as, I believe, Jens does, so whom should you believe?? -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!! Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash command actually includes a Compact Folder call. When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn to our attention!! As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read exactly. Empty Trash does in fact not touch the Inbox, only the Trash folder. For the latter it includes a Compact Folder call. [It didn't appear to me that anyone could think that Empty Trash would affect other folders.] HTH Jens so...Empty Trash actually *does/should* reduce the size of the Inbox because the user has moved the files to the Trash so they no longer reside in the Inbox, and the Trash Compacts on Empty. If it doesn't work that way, it should! That would be what one would expect. No, Rufus, as I understand it:- 1. an e-mail is received into the inbox, un-read. Inbox size is increased. 2. the e-mail in the inbox is read (causing a change in e-mail header). Inbox file size is unchanged. 3. the e-mail in the inbox is marked as Trash, causing change in header, but stays in inbox (invisible) and Trash number increases by one. Inbox file size is unchanged. 4. Trash is emptied, causing change in header, but stays in inbox (invisible) and Trash number goes to zero. Inbox file size is unchanged. 5. E-Mail account is compacted, so all e-mails in the inbox that have the change made in point four are deleted from the inbox and the inbox is compacted, reducing its size. I had thought the indicator might have been X-Mozilla-Status because, in my inbox, an email showed the following difference when I marked it as un-read and then as read:- Unread message X-Mozilla-Status: read messageX-Mozilla-Status: 0001 but another message, which I had marked for deletion still had X-Mozilla-Status: 0001, so I don't know which setting it is!! IMHO, of course, and subject to correction, re-education. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. Chris, how does an e-mail get into the trash folder, so that, in your explanation above, it can be deleted from the trash folder?? -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not actually move them out of my Inbox? I have no idea what people are trying to say about this. Why would I Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place? And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for action? If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will then be marked as deleted and hidden from view. This where I loose it...copied? Why isn't the message *moved* to the Trash vise just being removed from display? That doesn't make any logical sense to me - true or not... Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from that folder that are marked as deleted. That makes sense - as long as it also globally removes all messages marked as deleted and still not displayed. I don't see how it would though, as it seems it will only compact the single specified Folder. Empty Trash will not only hide all messages in the Trash folder from view, but also remove them. Which is what one would expect. * Although it may not technically go through those steps. It seems easier/faster to just remove all messages in the trash, regardless if they are marked as deleted or not. It's the same result. In light of the above, I can't see why I don't see Compact All Folders requests when I have my invoke set at 20 Meg. I should think I'd see a lot of them - I don't seem to see any at all. I think I'm going to set my threshold lower - like 5 Meg - if this is what is really going on. Here's were terminology is important: When you *copy anything to a new location it also remains in the old location. When you *cut anything and paste it to a new location it's gone from the original location (it's moved). The questions are: 1)When you delete from the inbox, you are cutting or copying? Does the inbox need to be compacted? 2)When you delete from the sent folder, you are cutting or copying? Does the inbox need to be compacted? 3)When you delete from the trash, you are cutting or copying? I always thought that this was the only folder that needs compacting. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!! Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash command actually includes a Compact Folder call. When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn to our attention!! As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read exactly. Empty Trash does in fact not touch the Inbox, only the Trash folder. For the latter it includes a Compact Folder call. [It didn't appear to me that anyone could think that Empty Trash would affect other folders.] HTH Jens so...Empty Trash actually *does/should* reduce the size of the Inbox because the user has moved the files to the Trash so they no longer reside in the Inbox, and the Trash Compacts on Empty. If it doesn't work that way, it should! That would be what one would expect. No, Rufus, as I understand it:- 1.an e-mail is received into the inbox, un-read. Inbox size is increased. 2.the e-mail in the inbox is read (causing a change in e-mail header). Inbox file size is unchanged. 3.the e-mail in the inbox is marked as Trash, causing change in header, but stays in inbox (invisible) and Trash number increases by one. Inbox file size is unchanged. 4.Trash is emptied, causing change in header, but stays in inbox (invisible) and Trash number goes to zero. Inbox file size is unchanged. 5.*E-Mail account is compacted*, so all e-mails in the inbox that have the change made in point four are deleted from the inbox and the inbox is compacted, reducing its size. I had thought the indicator might have been X-Mozilla-Status because, in my inbox, an email showed the following difference when I marked it as un-read and then as read:- Unread messageX-Mozilla-Status: read messageX-Mozilla-Status: 0001 but another message, which I had marked for deletion still had X-Mozilla-Status: 0001, so I don't know which setting it is!! IMHO, of course, and subject to correction, re-education. You state above E-Mail account is compacted. How do you do that? I only know how to compact individual folders. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Mike C wrote: Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not actually move them out of my Inbox? I have no idea what people are trying to say about this. Why would I Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place? And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for action? If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will then be marked as deleted and hidden from view. This where I loose it...copied? Why isn't the message *moved* to the Trash vise just being removed from display? That doesn't make any logical sense to me - true or not... Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from that folder that are marked as deleted. That makes sense - as long as it also globally removes all messages marked as deleted and still not displayed. I don't see how it would though, as it seems it will only compact the single specified Folder. Empty Trash will not only hide all messages in the Trash folder from view, but also remove them. Which is what one would expect. * Although it may not technically go through those steps. It seems easier/faster to just remove all messages in the trash, regardless if they are marked as deleted or not. It's the same result. In light of the above, I can't see why I don't see Compact All Folders requests when I have my invoke set at 20 Meg. I should think I'd see a lot of them - I don't seem to see any at all. I think I'm going to set my threshold lower - like 5 Meg - if this is what is really going on. Here's were terminology is important: When you *copy anything to a new location it also remains in the old location. When you *cut anything and paste it to a new location it's gone from the original location (it's moved). The questions are: 1)When you delete from the inbox, you are cutting or copying? Does the inbox need to be compacted? 2)When you delete from the sent folder, you are cutting or copying? Does the inbox need to be compacted? 3)When you delete from the trash, you are cutting or copying? I always thought that this was the only folder that needs compacting. Precisely. I get the impression that an actual cut is *never* performed. Nor is an actual delete. And since I'm not seeing requests to Compact All Folders, how do I force/invoke that? I can't find a menu item for it... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12-07-24 12:24 PM, Mike C wrote: You state above E-Mail account is compacted. How do you do that? I only know how to compact individual folders. I think what he means is File--Compact_Folders, which goes through all of your folders. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12-07-24 11:15 AM, Mike C wrote: The questions are: 1)When you delete from the inbox, you are cutting or copying? What you see: cutting. How it is stored: copying. Does the inbox need to be compacted? There answer to every Does fill in the blank folder need to be compacted? is yes. :) 2)When you delete from the sent folder, you are cutting or copying? What you see: cutting. How it is stored: copying. Does the inbox need to be compacted? Items in the sent folder were never in the inbox, so no; but the sent folder would need to be compacted. 3)When you delete from the trash, you are cutting or copying? Neither. (Where would you be copying/moving to?) If you select a message in the trash and click delete, it gets removed from view, but still exists in the actual trash file. You still need to compact the folder. If you use the 'empty trash' command, it will include an action to compact the trash folder. Now you guys know why auto-compacting was switched on by default. :) -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12-07-24 7:24 AM, Daniel wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. Chris, how does an e-mail get into the trash folder, so that, in your explanation above, it can be deleted from the trash folder?? When you select a message and click delete, it looks like it is being moved to the trash folder, but underneath it is really being copied to the trash folder. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-24 11:15 AM, Mike C wrote: The questions are: 1)When you delete from the inbox, you are cutting or copying? What you see: cutting. How it is stored: copying. Does the inbox need to be compacted? There answer to every Does fill in the blank folder need to be compacted? is yes. :) 2)When you delete from the sent folder, you are cutting or copying? What you see: cutting. How it is stored: copying. Does the inbox need to be compacted? Items in the sent folder were never in the inbox, so no; but the sent folder would need to be compacted. 3)When you delete from the trash, you are cutting or copying? Neither. (Where would you be copying/moving to?) If you select a message in the trash and click delete, it gets removed from view, but still exists in the actual trash file. You still need to compact the folder. If you use the 'empty trash' command, it will include an action to compact the trash folder. Now you guys know why auto-compacting was switched on by default. :) I'd be *really* happy if I had a user pref option to Compact All Folders on closing Mail, and/or SM (closing session) - like the way I can choose to Empty Trash on Exit with the Mac Mail client. Mac Mail prefs and file management are two of the reasons I use Mac Mail as my primary e-mail client...if it had a newsreader built into it I probably wouldn't be using SM or T-bird, at this point. Though I do prefer SM Browser pref options over both Safari and FF. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 07/24/2012 05:47 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-24 12:24 PM, Mike C wrote: You state above E-Mail account is compacted. How do you do that? I only know how to compact individual folders. I think what he means is File--Compact_Folders, which goes through all of your folders. I finally found that...I'd been looking under Tools and in Preferences. But I guess now I don't know how to Compact an individual Folder... Right click the folder select 'Compact This Folder'. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-24 7:24 AM, Daniel wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. Chris, how does an e-mail get into the trash folder, so that, in your explanation above, it can be deleted from the trash folder?? When you select a message and click delete, it looks like it is being moved to the trash folder, but underneath it is really being copied to the trash folder. Looks like I caught the disease, too. So far today, I've been prompted 12 times to compact folders, and I've said yes every time, but it hasn't made a bit of difference. Half an hour later, it wants to compact again. I haven't changed any settings; the only thing new this week is that I upgraded from v. 2.10.1 to 2.11. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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NoOp wrote: On 07/24/2012 05:47 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-24 12:24 PM, Mike C wrote: You state above E-Mail account is compacted. How do you do that? I only know how to compact individual folders. I think what he means is File--Compact_Folders, which goes through all of your folders. I finally found that...I'd been looking under Tools and in Preferences. But I guess now I don't know how to Compact an individual Folder... Right click the folder select 'Compact This Folder'. Ahh...found it! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:35:21 -0700 Rufus n...@home.com wrote: »Q« wrote: Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail occupies space within that file. I'm assuming each message is it's own file/structure... The structure of each inbox message (which is just its headers and body text*) is within a single file; that's a key in understanding how moving/deletion and compacting work, which is why I mentioned it in my first sentence in this thread. ;) but now that I look through my Profile structure that seems not to be the case. :) It doesn't matter to me really just what SM does - it's just a surprise, as my primary e-mail client - Mac Mail - doesn't structure this way. Each message is an individual file. That's a newer way of doing it. There was work going on to add support for doing it that way to Thunderbird (and so I assume to SeaMonkey), and maybe that will continue. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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»Q« wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:35:21 -0700 Rufus n...@home.com wrote: »Q« wrote: Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail occupies space within that file. I'm assuming each message is it's own file/structure... The structure of each inbox message (which is just its headers and body text*) is within a single file; that's a key in understanding how moving/deletion and compacting work, which is why I mentioned it in my first sentence in this thread. ;) but now that I look through my Profile structure that seems not to be the case. :) It doesn't matter to me really just what SM does - it's just a surprise, as my primary e-mail client - Mac Mail - doesn't structure this way. Each message is an individual file. That's a newer way of doing it. There was work going on to add support for doing it that way to Thunderbird (and so I assume to SeaMonkey), and maybe that will continue. I'd be perfectly satisfied with an option to Compact all folders on exit Mail/close session - like selections for clearing Private Data. That would be easier for the team to include, and take care of the job in a more comprehensible manner. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: Daniel wrote: Snip Wow!! My whole mail profile is only 30.9MB, with the inbox being 15.7MB. I'll bet mine isn't 1M - I tend to Save/Delete/Empty Trash/Mark Read on completion of session, so I generally don't see Compact Folders requests. In fact I can't remember the last time I saw one. I think user habit gets into the mix and one has to set a limit that works with their own habit. Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!! Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash command actually includes a Compact Folder call. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!! Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash command actually includes a Compact Folder call. Daniel said emptying Trash doesn't delete the email from the Inbox. I believe his statement to be true. The only way to remove an email from Inbox that was moved to Trash is to compact the Inbox. He was not addressing what happens in Trash. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!! Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash command actually includes a Compact Folder call. Greetings, Jens When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn to our attention!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!! Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash command actually includes a Compact Folder call. When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn to our attention!! As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read exactly. Empty Trash does in fact not touch the Inbox, only the Trash folder. For the latter it includes a Compact Folder call. [It didn't appear to me that anyone could think that Empty Trash would affect other folders.] HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: Daniel wrote: Snip Wow!! My whole mail profile is only 30.9MB, with the inbox being 15.7MB. I'll bet mine isn't 1M - I tend to Save/Delete/Empty Trash/Mark Read on completion of session, so I generally don't see Compact Folders requests. In fact I can't remember the last time I saw one. I think user habit gets into the mix and one has to set a limit that works with their own habit. Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!! No, I didn't know that...but I still don't see Compact notices. ...that sounds a bit counter-intuitive. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!! Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash command actually includes a Compact Folder call. When did this action change?? Perhaps we users should have had it drawn to our attention!! As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read exactly. Empty Trash does in fact not touch the Inbox, only the Trash folder. For the latter it includes a Compact Folder call. [It didn't appear to me that anyone could think that Empty Trash would affect other folders.] HTH Jens ...so...Empty Trash actually *does/should* reduce the size of the Inbox because the user has moved the files to the Trash so they no longer reside in the Inbox, and the Trash Compacts on Empty. If it doesn't work that way, it should! That would be what one would expect. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Jens Hatlak wrote: As Beauregard already noted, what you wrote is probably true if read exactly. Jens, since my crystal ball is out at the cleaners, I didn't know of any other way to read it. :-) -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. They are not actually deleted until you compact your files!! Wrong (just checked). Please don't give such false advice, especially if it results in data loss without any undo possibility. The Empty Trash command actually includes a Compact Folder call. Daniel said emptying Trash doesn't delete the email from the Inbox. I believe his statement to be true. The only way to remove an email from Inbox that was moved to Trash is to compact the Inbox. He was not addressing what happens in Trash. Jens used the singular Compact Folder -- if that was intentional, then only the Trash would be compacted. But if he meant to use the plural, Compact Folders would compact all folders in the account, including Inbox, and his comment would be relevant. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. ...so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not actually move them out of my Inbox? I have no idea what people are trying to say about this. Why would I Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place? And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for action? All I know is that I do what I do and I very rarely get Compact Folders notification(s). -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 12-07-23 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not actually move them out of my Inbox? I have no idea what people are trying to say about this. Why would I Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place? And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for action? If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will then be marked as deleted and hidden from view. Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from that folder that are marked as deleted. Empty Trash will not only hide all messages in the Trash folder from view, but also remove them. * Although it may not technically go through those steps. It seems easier/faster to just remove all messages in the trash, regardless if they are marked as deleted or not. It's the same result. -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca Newsgroup moderator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:07:24 -0700 Rufus n...@home.com wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. ...so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not actually move them out of my Inbox? Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail occupies space within that file. Moving an e-mail out of the inbox does move it to wherever you chose, but the space it occupied in the is still there in the inbox file; IOW, the inbox file is the same size even after you delete stuff from the inbox. Compacting the inbox gets rid of that (now useless) space, reducing the size of the file. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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»Q« wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:07:24 -0700 Rufus n...@home.com wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. ...so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not actually move them out of my Inbox? Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail occupies space within that file. Moving an e-mail out of the inbox does move it to wherever you chose, but the space it occupied in the is still there in the inbox file; IOW, the inbox file is the same size even after you delete stuff from the inbox. Compacting the inbox gets rid of that (now useless) space, reducing the size of the file. I could see doing that, but setting the file length to zero on Delete - then Compact deleting the headers(I think there are other things on my system that do this)...but even that seems like far more effort than just moving/reallocating the file location to the Trash. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 3:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 12-07-23 7:52 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus, I hope you remember that emptying trash *doesn't* actually delete the e-mails from your inbox, That part is right. :) it just marks them for deletion and removes them from your sight. That part is not right. Emptying the trash will delete messages from your trash folder, not the inbox, then it will compact the trash folder, not the inbox. so...you're telling me that moving things out of my Inbox does not actually move them out of my Inbox? I have no idea what people are trying to say about this. Why would I Empty Trash if I haven't placed something in there in the first place? And why wouldn't moving something there actually *put* it *there* for action? If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will then be marked as deleted and hidden from view. This where I loose it...copied? Why isn't the message *moved* to the Trash vise just being removed from display? That doesn't make any logical sense to me - true or not... Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from that folder that are marked as deleted. That makes sense - as long as it also globally removes all messages marked as deleted and still not displayed. I don't see how it would though, as it seems it will only compact the single specified Folder. Empty Trash will not only hide all messages in the Trash folder from view, but also remove them. Which is what one would expect. * Although it may not technically go through those steps. It seems easier/faster to just remove all messages in the trash, regardless if they are marked as deleted or not. It's the same result. In light of the above, I can't see why I don't see Compact All Folders requests when I have my invoke set at 20 Meg. I should think I'd see a lot of them - I don't seem to see any at all. I think I'm going to set my threshold lower - like 5 Meg - if this is what is really going on. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:27:49 -0700 Rufus n...@home.com wrote: »Q« wrote: Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail occupies space within that file. Moving an e-mail out of the inbox does move it to wherever you chose, but the space it occupied in the is still there in the inbox file; IOW, the inbox file is the same size even after you delete stuff from the inbox. Compacting the inbox gets rid of that (now useless) space, reducing the size of the file. I could see doing that, but setting the file length to zero on Delete - then Compact deleting the headers(I think there are other things on my system that do this)...but even that seems like far more effort than just moving/reallocating the file location to the Trash. Setting the file length to zero would get rid of all the e-mails in the folder, including their headers. I'm not sure what SeaMonkey would do WRT the index if it found a zero-length inbox. If it's important to you, you could set up a fresh profile and test your ideas. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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»Q« wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:27:49 -0700 Rufus n...@home.com wrote: »Q« wrote: Your inbox is actually a file on your hard drive, and each e-mail occupies space within that file. Moving an e-mail out of the inbox does move it to wherever you chose, but the space it occupied in the is still there in the inbox file; IOW, the inbox file is the same size even after you delete stuff from the inbox. Compacting the inbox gets rid of that (now useless) space, reducing the size of the file. I could see doing that, but setting the file length to zero on Delete - then Compact deleting the headers(I think there are other things on my system that do this)...but even that seems like far more effort than just moving/reallocating the file location to the Trash. Setting the file length to zero would get rid of all the e-mails in the folder, including their headers. I'm not sure what SeaMonkey would do WRT the index if it found a zero-length inbox. If it's important to you, you could set up a fresh profile and test your ideas. Zero length message, not zero length Inbox. I'm assuming each message is it's own file/structure...but now that I look through my Profile structure that seems not to be the case. It doesn't matter to me really just what SM does - it's just a surprise, as my primary e-mail client - Mac Mail - doesn't structure this way. Each message is an individual file. Anyway, the bottom line is that I don't see Compact Folder(s) prompts from SM and I can only surmise that that has something to do with the way I manage my sessions. I should expect to see a lot of them, and I barely see any at all. Which is ok by me... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: If you select a message in your inbox, and click delete, the message will be copied over to your trash folder. The version in your inbox will then be marked as deleted and hidden from view. This where I loose it...copied? Why isn't the message *moved* to the Trash vise just being removed from display? That doesn't make any logical sense to me - true or not... Locally, SM/TB store all mails inside a folder (like Inbox) in one file. That file basically consists of the source of all messages ever copied to that folder, in order of receipt. That format is called mbox. Now if you say delete this message, the application just marks the message for deletion (which is fast, because the application knows which bytes to change on disk for that, and can use random access). If you do a normal delete, the message source is first copied to the Trash folder; if you do Shift+Delete, that step is skipped. For single messages, the above approach may seem pointless. But for many messages (thousands), especially reading a folder is accelerated since only one file needs to be read, and as you might know, disk access is one of the most costly operations (time-wise) of a computer. NB: Since SM 2.9, the adventurous can select a different mail storage format called Maildir which saves individual messages in separate files. I won't explain how to do that here since at least right now it's only for advanced users anyway (see the SM 2.9 changes page if you still want to know). Compacting a folder will command SeaMonkey to remove all messages from that folder that are marked as deleted. That makes sense - as long as it also globally removes all messages marked as deleted and still not displayed. As I said, one folder = one file, so if you compact one folder, only that file is touched (and maybe its index file, *.msf). HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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flyguy wrote: On 7/21/2012 3:34 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: JC wrote: On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:26:31 AM UTC-7, Rufus wrote: curl...@earthlink.net wrote: gt; I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11. I#39;m on an iMac using OS 10.6.8. I had this constant prompt to quot;Compact my foldersquot; and I had read about this being a problem. I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11. But, it is still happening. Any help on this issue?? gt; gt; Very frustrating! gt; gt; Thanks, gt; gt; Jim gt; Check Preferences/Mailamp;Newsgroups/Networkamp;Storage and look at your settings for Disk Space. Either uncheck the option, or set it to something quot;reasonablequot;. I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as you - iMac running 10.6.8. -- - Rufus Rufus, Thanks for the email. I just de-selected the option and that may have done the trick. The setting was already at 20MB and that wasn't resolving it. Hope that will work out for you. I don't know why I've left mine at the seeming default - something like 500-750 MB seems a better choice. Maybe I don't see requests because I always mark my headers read at the end of each session? 20 Mb, golly gosh!! I'm on Linux, so that might account for the difference, but in Edit-Preferences-Mail Newsgroups-Network Storage, I've got Disk Space, Compact folders when it will save over 1 MB!! Don't know how big a mail folder has to be in order to possibly save 1 MB, but a 20 MB mail file looks a bit large, IMHO!! Mine is set at 500 MB, which is only a few hundred emails when some contain up to 10 MB of attachments. If it compacted for only 20 mb, it'd be compacting hourly. Wow!! My whole mail profile is only 30.9MB, with the inbox being 15.7MB. -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder
Daniel wrote: flyguy wrote: On 7/21/2012 3:34 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: JC wrote: On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:26:31 AM UTC-7, Rufus wrote: curl...@earthlink.net wrote: gt; I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11. I#39;m on an iMac using OS 10.6.8. I had this constant prompt to quot;Compact my foldersquot; and I had read about this being a problem. I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11. But, it is still happening. Any help on this issue?? gt; gt; Very frustrating! gt; gt; Thanks, gt; gt; Jim gt; Check Preferences/Mailamp;Newsgroups/Networkamp;Storage and look at your settings for Disk Space. Either uncheck the option, or set it to something quot;reasonablequot;. I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as you - iMac running 10.6.8. -- - Rufus Rufus, Thanks for the email. I just de-selected the option and that may have done the trick. The setting was already at 20MB and that wasn't resolving it. Hope that will work out for you. I don't know why I've left mine at the seeming default - something like 500-750 MB seems a better choice. Maybe I don't see requests because I always mark my headers read at the end of each session? 20 Mb, golly gosh!! I'm on Linux, so that might account for the difference, but in Edit-Preferences-Mail Newsgroups-Network Storage, I've got Disk Space, Compact folders when it will save over 1 MB!! Don't know how big a mail folder has to be in order to possibly save 1 MB, but a 20 MB mail file looks a bit large, IMHO!! Mine is set at 500 MB, which is only a few hundred emails when some contain up to 10 MB of attachments. If it compacted for only 20 mb, it'd be compacting hourly. Wow!! My whole mail profile is only 30.9MB, with the inbox being 15.7MB. I'll bet mine isn't 1M - I tend to Save/Delete/Empty Trash/Mark Read on completion of session, so I generally don't see Compact Folders requests. In fact I can't remember the last time I saw one. I think user habit gets into the mix and one has to set a limit that works with their own habit. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder
Rufus wrote: JC wrote: On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:26:31 AM UTC-7, Rufus wrote: curl...@earthlink.net wrote: gt; I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11. I#39;m on an iMac using OS 10.6.8. I had this constant prompt to quot;Compact my foldersquot; and I had read about this being a problem. I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11. But, it is still happening. Any help on this issue?? gt; gt; Very frustrating! gt; gt; Thanks, gt; gt; Jim gt; Check Preferences/Mailamp;Newsgroups/Networkamp;Storage and look at your settings for Disk Space. Either uncheck the option, or set it to something quot;reasonablequot;. I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as you - iMac running 10.6.8. -- - Rufus Rufus, Thanks for the email. I just de-selected the option and that may have done the trick. The setting was already at 20MB and that wasn't resolving it. Hope that will work out for you. I don't know why I've left mine at the seeming default - something like 500-750 MB seems a better choice. Maybe I don't see requests because I always mark my headers read at the end of each session? 20 Mb, golly gosh!! I'm on Linux, so that might account for the difference, but in Edit-Preferences-Mail Newsgroups-Network Storage, I've got Disk Space, Compact folders when it will save over 1 MB!! Don't know how big a mail folder has to be in order to possibly save 1 MB, but a 20 MB mail file looks a bit large, IMHO!! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder
On 7/21/2012 3:34 AM, Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: JC wrote: On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:26:31 AM UTC-7, Rufus wrote: curl...@earthlink.net wrote: gt; I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11. I#39;m on an iMac using OS 10.6.8. I had this constant prompt to quot;Compact my foldersquot; and I had read about this being a problem. I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11. But, it is still happening. Any help on this issue?? gt; gt; Very frustrating! gt; gt; Thanks, gt; gt; Jim gt; Check Preferences/Mailamp;Newsgroups/Networkamp;Storage and look at your settings for Disk Space. Either uncheck the option, or set it to something quot;reasonablequot;. I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as you - iMac running 10.6.8. -- - Rufus Rufus, Thanks for the email. I just de-selected the option and that may have done the trick. The setting was already at 20MB and that wasn't resolving it. Hope that will work out for you. I don't know why I've left mine at the seeming default - something like 500-750 MB seems a better choice. Maybe I don't see requests because I always mark my headers read at the end of each session? 20 Mb, golly gosh!! I'm on Linux, so that might account for the difference, but in Edit-Preferences-Mail Newsgroups-Network Storage, I've got Disk Space, Compact folders when it will save over 1 MB!! Don't know how big a mail folder has to be in order to possibly save 1 MB, but a 20 MB mail file looks a bit large, IMHO!! Mine is set at 500 MB, which is only a few hundred emails when some contain up to 10 MB of attachments. If it compacted for only 20 mb, it'd be compacting hourly. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Compact Folder Constant Reminder
I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11. I'm on an iMac using OS 10.6.8. I had this constant prompt to Compact my folders and I had read about this being a problem. I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11. But, it is still happening. Any help on this issue?? Very frustrating! Thanks, Jim ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder
curl...@earthlink.net wrote: I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11. I'm on an iMac using OS 10.6.8. I had this constant prompt to Compact my folders and I had read about this being a problem. I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11. But, it is still happening. Any help on this issue?? Very frustrating! Thanks, Jim Check Preferences/MailNewsgroups/NetworkStorage and look at your settings for Disk Space. Either uncheck the option, or set it to something reasonable. I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as you - iMac running 10.6.8. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder
On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:26:31 AM UTC-7, Rufus wrote: curl...@earthlink.net wrote: gt; I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11. I#39;m on an iMac using OS 10.6.8. I had this constant prompt to quot;Compact my foldersquot; and I had read about this being a problem. I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11. But, it is still happening. Any help on this issue?? gt; gt; Very frustrating! gt; gt; Thanks, gt; gt; Jim gt; Check Preferences/Mailamp;Newsgroups/Networkamp;Storage and look at your settings for Disk Space. Either uncheck the option, or set it to something quot;reasonablequot;. I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as you - iMac running 10.6.8. -- - Rufus Rufus, Thanks for the email. I just de-selected the option and that may have done the trick. The setting was already at 20MB and that wasn't resolving it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Compact Folder Constant Reminder
JC wrote: On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:26:31 AM UTC-7, Rufus wrote: curl...@earthlink.net wrote: gt; I had this problem before upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.11. I#39;m on an iMac using OS 10.6.8. I had this constant prompt to quot;Compact my foldersquot; and I had read about this being a problem. I thought it was to be corrected with the upgrade to 2.11. But, it is still happening. Any help on this issue?? gt; gt; Very frustrating! gt; gt; Thanks, gt; gt; Jim gt; Check Preferences/Mailamp;Newsgroups/Networkamp;Storage and look at your settings for Disk Space. Either uncheck the option, or set it to something quot;reasonablequot;. I have my setting at 20 MB (which seems a bit low, now that I think about it) and I hardly ever see a prompt to Compact; same setup as you - iMac running 10.6.8. -- - Rufus Rufus, Thanks for the email. I just de-selected the option and that may have done the trick. The setting was already at 20MB and that wasn't resolving it. Hope that will work out for you. I don't know why I've left mine at the seeming default - something like 500-750 MB seems a better choice. Maybe I don't see requests because I always mark my headers read at the end of each session? -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey