[Biofuel] Massachusetts Bioheat Seminar
Despite the Best Laid Plans... Please be notified that this seminar, scheduled for April 28, 2005 in Westboro, MA has been POSTPONED, since most of the participants are out there trying to buy more petroleum oil. This event will be rescheduled when the buying frenzy has faded. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Massachusetts BioHeat Seminar
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Language: en The Massachusetts State Energy Office is co-sponsoring a free seminar, intended especially for professionals in the energy business, on the use of BIODIESEL in home heating applications. Attached is a brochure on this seminar. Pre-registration is required. The seminar is titled Bioheat A Seminar for the Oilheat Industry in Massachusetts April 28, 2005 10:00 - 2:30 Mass. Technology Collaborative Campus, Marlboro, MA For registration, contact: MA Division of Energy Resources 617-727-4732 x 40143 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speakers will include: Robert Cerio Warwick, RI Public School District http://www.warwickschools.org/default.htm Larry Chretien MassEnergy Consumers Alliance http://www.massenergy.com/ Rex D’Agostino Northeast Biodiesel Co. http://www.northeastbiodiesel.com/ Michael Ferrante Massachusetts Oilheat Council http://www.massoilheat.org/ Gene Gebolys World Energy Alternatives, LLC http://www.worldenergy.net/ Tom Leue Northeast Biodiesel Co. Paul Nazzaro Advanced Fuel Solutions, Inc. http://www.fuelsolution.com/ Bob Warren Mass Biofuel http://www.massbiofuel.com/ Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] New Biodiesel Mandate
If you are interested in how the market for biodiesel is growing, here is another significant new user coming into full operation soon. This will have an impact on maintain the retail price even with new suppliers. Tom Leue Biodiesel Mandate for Navy and Marine Facilities March 22, 2005 Jefferson City, Missouri [RenewableEnergyAccess.com] Beginning June 1, 2005 all U.S. Navy and Marine non-tactical diesel vehicles will be required to operate on a B20 (20 percent) biodiesel blend as part of the military's efforts to increase their use of domestic and clean fuels. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com Naval leaders clearly recognize the responsibility the Navy has to reduce its own use of petroleum... - Joe Jobe, NBB executive director Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary (Installations and Environment) Wayne Arny, of the U.S. Department of the Navy issued the memorandum. The U.S. Navy, Army, Air Force and Marines all use B20, a mixture of 20 percent biodiesel and 80 percent diesel, at different bases and stations throughout the country. Biodiesel can be used in its pure form (B100) or can be blended at any level with petroleum diesel. It can be used in diesel engines with few or no modifications and has similar horsepower, torque and BTU content compared to petroleum diesel while offering excellent lubricity. The January 18, 2005 Navy memo provided guidance for biodiesel use including that it can be supplied by the Defense Energy Support Center (DESC) and used where adequate fuel tanks are available. The policy does not apply to tactical military equipment or deployable commercial equipment intended to support contingency operations. We commend the Navy for its leadership role in advancing the use of biodiesel and other alternative fuels, said Joe Jobe, NBB executive director. With the U.S. importing more than half of all oil consumed, turning to domestic energy sources like biodiesel is critical. The Navy is setting a positive example for the rest of the nation with this new policy. Jobe added that the Navy is the largest user of diesel fuel in the world, and is charged with protecting shipping routes to import petroleum to the United States. Naval leaders clearly recognize the responsibility the Navy has to reduce its own use of petroleum, and we commend them for that, Jobe said. In 2003, Naval Base Ventura County (NBVC) in Port Hueneme, Calif. began a unique pilot program making biodiesel from its own biodiesel processing unit. Eventually, the Navy could send portable biodiesel processing units overseas to produce its own fuel while on missions abroad. This could give the U.S. military a tactical advantage should fuel supplies be compromised. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] businesses starting up bio-diesel
Northeast Biodiesel Co. will be initiating production at the 2,000,000 gallons per year of B-100 rate this year in Greenfield, MA. We are in the production and distribution business of waste based biodiesel, and would be available to provide detailed information about some of your options. Contact me anytime at Homestead Inc. 800 285-4533 Tom Leue Technical Director Northeast Biodiesel Co. In a message dated 2/23/05 9:19:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello I work for a company in West Bridgewater, MA.Ê For my graduate project I am trying to see if it is feasible (and if so ) implement a bio-diesel fueling station in the business park.Ê It would serve the businesses, employees, and other community members.Ê It would function as a coop.Ê Can any of you give me resources about the how-to's, regulations, permits, technology, case studies, etc. that i would need? Thanks! Jessica - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] What Kind of Car?
ILEA Leaf #10: WHAT KIND OF CAR? You're concerned about the environment, but you need to drive. Which car will do the least damage? There's no easy answer, and you will have to make some tradeoffs between your budget and your determination to help change the world. But you will also need to think about what changing the world means to you: Is it more important to (a) help reduce future emissions an uncertain amount by investing in advanced technology or (b) reduce immediate emissions a known amount with existing technology? Is it more important to (a) fight climate change and foreign oil dependence by reducing fossil fuel use or (b) help clean the air in your region by reducing traditional pollutants from the car tailpipe? At ILEA we are all about life-cycle assessment, so we like to take the big picture approach: advancing technology trumps personal emissions, and greenhouse gases trump local pollutants. If you answer the questions differently, keep those differences in mind as you read through our recommendations; near the end of the email there's a comparison table to help you do this. Below are five basic choices you can take, beginning with the most conventional and ending with the most adventurous.[1] #_edn1 We think the most adventurous steps probably have the most impact on the big picture, but if you answered the questions differently than we do, you may want to take one of the other choices. #5: High-efficiency conventional cars If none of the more advanced options meet your needs, then you can still reduce both your greenhouse gas and your traditional pollutant emissions by being careful to choose a car with the highest fuel economy. Keep in mind though, this option will do little to advance new technologies. The U.S. EPA's fuel economy website http://www.fueleconomy.gov/ provides comparative ratings of nearly all cars available in the U.S. The American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy publishes the Green Book http://www.greenercars.com/ , which provides even more detailed environmental information. Though the EPA website is free, the Green Book is not: a month of access costs $8.95. Diesel engines are on average more efficient than gasoline engines. Just as one example, a manual transmission, 2005 VW Jetta Wagon is rated 36 city and 47 highway http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm . In the United States we tend to think of diesel cars as dirty, and indeed historically the tailpipe emissions have been much worse than for gasoline cars. But beginning in mid-2006 all automotive diesel fuel in the U.S. will be ultra-low sulfur http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/diesel/diesel.htm , allowing better emissions control and eliminating nearly all of the irritating exhaust fumes we normally expect from diesel engines. That means beginning in 2007, many diesel vehicles will be preferable to their gasoline counterparts. Also, if you choose a diesel vehicle, you will always be able to leapfrog to the much more aggressive biodiesel solution, #3 below. #4: Gasoline-electric hybrids Gasoline-electric hybrids (usually just called hybrids) have by far been the most popular choice of environmentally conscientious car buyers over the past few years. Hybrids are fueled at the gas pump just like any other gasoline-powered car, but boast particularly impressive mileage (the 2005 Toyota Prius does 60 city and 51 highway http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm ).[2] #_edn2 A hybrid car has both a gasoline engine and an electric motor, but it does not need to be plugged in. The gasoline engine takes care of charging the electric motor's battery. The battery is also charged when the driver steps on the brakes: the electric motor works in reverse to stop the wheels by converting their rotational energy to electricity saved in the battery. Hybrids also cut out the gasoline engine when the car drives very slowly or stops, minimizing energy wasted in idling. Gasoline-electric hybrids are an excellent choice for the environmentally aware consumer. Because of their high fuel economy, hybrids reduce both greenhouse gases and traditional pollutants, like any other high-mileage vehicle. But buying a hybrid gives the environment an extra boost because you are helping introduce an important, cutting-edge technology. So far, Honda and Toyota have released hybrid passenger cars, and Ford has released a hybrid SUV. You can expect to see many more models appear over the coming few years. #3: Biodiesel You can nearly eliminate your greenhouse gas emissions by buying an ordinary, high-efficiency diesel vehicle and filling the tank with biodiesel. Biodiesel is made from recycled vegetable oils or from by-product oils of crops grown for other purposes. The net greenhouse gas emissions from making the biodiesel are extremely low, and when burned in a diesel engine biodiesel is cleaner at the tailpipe too.[3] As
[Biofuel] A library on biodiesel
The government has been working for years to do worthwhile research and publications on biodiesel developments. In the past two years, the National Renewable Energy laboratory has published a series of valuable monographs on this topic. I recommend everyone interested in biodiesel developments download these free publications. All of these, and many more, can be obtained free from http://www.osti.gov/bridge I found these to be the most useful. Anyone like some others? Titles: Biodiesel Production Technology, 2004 106 pp Biodiesel Analytical Methods, 2004, 95 pp Business Management for Biodiesel Producers, 2004, 206 pp Biodiesel Handling and Use Guidelines, 2004 60pp Biodiesel Blends in Space Heating Equipment, 2004 26 pp NOx Solutions for Biodiesel, 2003 40 pp Impact of Biodiesel Fuels on Air Quality, 2003 45 pp Tom Leue ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: [altfuelfurnace] Babbington burner interest?
How to Convert a Beckett Burner to a Babington Burner: Any kind of standard #2 heating oil burner can be converted to a babington with some success and minimal cost. I've done this to 3 burners so far. I don't own a welder, so I've done this without. Here are the issues: 1. The pressurized oil supply tube should now supply pressurized air. No problem, just get a babington ball with a 1/8 npt fitting on it and unscrew the spray nozzle and replace with the babington ball. Now disconnect the other end from the oil pump feed and attach an air pressure line. I recommend a small airbrush type compressor because they are small, cheap and quiet, while delivering the correct pressure and volume. A good one can be had from Harbor Freight for about $65. 2. I had the most success with an older style burner chassis, it runs at 1850 rpm on the pump. If you then attach a pump from a modern high speed pump, it will cut the flow down enough so it can be more easily controlled. The bolt pattern is the same. The plastic or fiber shaft connector may have to be adapted, but that is fairly easy to do by saving the shaft ends from the two styles and joining them together. I did that with duct tape and it held up just fine. 3. The fire tube, about 3-1/2 diameter, needs to be a little longer to accommodate the new system. It can be easily replace with a length of 3-1/2 thin-wall electrical conduit. You'll probably have to buy a 10' length from an electrical supply house. Cut off 20 to 24 for this purpose. 4. Cut a hole in the conduit with a hole saw under the new babington ball, about 2-1/2 or 3 diameter. Take a cheap 3-1/2 or 4 diameter tin funnel. The top edge will bend around the conduit over this hole to form a tight seal. Amazing but true. Secure that in place with 4 or 6 pop rivets This provides a catch for the excess oil under the b-ball that doesn't get used up on each pass and dribbles off the ball. The funnel can then direct this oil to a reservoir through a hose. 5. Move the electrodes to a place in front of the b-ball a couple of inches. Use the existing electrode spacer and attach it to a bolt drilled into the conduit. It takes 3 holes, one for the bolt, two for the electrodes. This is in the vertical orientation. Position the electrodes so they make a spark in front of the b-ball. The wires from the transformer will have to be run out of the housing with extension wires coming out of the back of the burner through a hole you cut. Since the voltage is up to 10,000 volts, and standard wire has only about 600 volt insulation, run each wire inside a piece of small diameter urethane (vinyl) tubing as an extra layer of insulation. Use lugs on each end and wire it up. Test to see that you have a good spark. 6. We're getting there. Now, add a length of small diameter copper tubing to the outlet of the pump with a flare fitting. You probably want a needle valve to fine tune the flow. Direct the tube over the ball and through the conduit with another small hole. This will deliver a steady small stream over the top of the ball so it flows over the b-ball hole(s) at 0.01 diameter. You do know how to make a b-ball, I hope. 7. The fire eye now has to be moved to the front of this system, since its original position is blocked by the b-ball and it can't see the flame. Cut a hole at least 6 in front of the b-ball and attach a 6 length of 3/4 conduit running horizontally to the side. Use a conduit fitting to attach it. Put the fire eye into this conduit so it can see the flame from the side. Attach it to the controller. 8. This may work as is, but I have replaced the controller with one with a 45 second safety shutout delay so the slightly slower to catch vegetable oil flame has a chance to stabilize before the system shuts down on safety. 9. I had to attach a flange to mount this to the furnace, but with all of those burners lying around, a spare one was handy. I recommend you pick up several old burners, fast and slow types, since they are universally disposed of at all heating oil contractor shops. That way you can find all sorts of nifty attachments, such as solenoids, etc. I also had to prop this on a stand because of the longer flame tube wasn't supporting the new burner as well as I wanted. 10. I've run this on WMO, WVO and all sorts of nasty liquids. Its reliable and effective. Please don't take all of the WVO out there, I need it for the biodiesel factory I'm building. Good luck. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biofuel-books
The latest book is called Biodiesel, Growing a New Energy Economy by Greg Pahl. Published 2005 by Chelsea Green publishers. ISBN 1-931498-65-2 This is the latest, and has a detailed political and historical context for biodiesel around the world. Much discussion of technology too. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/21/05 8:59:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:19:17 -1000, DB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the fryer to the fuel tank is not a bad book at all. It's a great book with lost of good info. I made great fuel following his instructions. I was always doubtful about his opinion not to wash the bio as I also did lots of reasearch on the subject ofÊ biodiesel, plus I make so much fuel that I had it for sale and didn't want to sell anything but the best quality possible. Journey to forever is great too but I can't say that Tickell's book is bad. He has done alot to promote Biodiesel and I admire him for that DB - Original Message - From: Stelios Terzakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] biofuel-books Good day everbody, I found these booksÊ with a simple search. Does anyone knows if books below are worth buying? Regards, Stelios 1)From the Fryer to the Fuel Tank: The Complete Guide to Using Vegetable Oil as an Alternative Fuel by Joshua Tickell, Kaia Roman, Kaia Tickell Paperback: 162 pages Publisher: Tickell Energy Consultants; 3rd edition (December 1, 2000) ISBN: 0970722702 2)The Biodiesel Handbook by Gerhard Knothe (Other Contributor) Hardcover Publisher: AOCS Press; (December 2004) ISBN: 1893997790 3)Recent Developments in the Synthesis of Fatty Acid Derivatives by Gerhard Knothe, Johannes T. P. Derksen Hardcover: 250 pages Publisher: AOCS Press (September 1, 1999) ISBN: 1893997006 - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel Fuel Specifications
Good points. I started with a specification that was far more restrictive. I don't think there are any commercial biodiesel producers that make ethyl esters. Am I wrong? As for the coconut based biodiesel, it doesn't work so well up here in the frozen north. But that may just be a regional prejudice. Tom Leue In a message dated 12/8/04 3:36:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Dec 7, 2004, at 11:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been adjusting a standard specification for B-20 to include WVO biodiesel and other improvements. I hope someone can make use of this. Northeast Biodiesel will be able to meet this specification by next fall. Tom Leue Biodiesel Fuel (B-20) Specifications Biodiesel Composition: Methyl esters of the following length: Sum of C16+C18s 90.5 wt. % min. Determined by GC Fraction C16 2.0 wt. % max. Determined by GC Fraction C18 7.5 wt. % max. Determined by GC Why be so particular about composition (assuming physical and combustion specs can be met)? You're eliminating ethyl esters, as well as shorter fatty acids (coconut, for example). Seems overly restrictive.. -K - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel Fuel Specifications
I've been adjusting a standard specification for B-20 to include WVO biodiesel and other improvements. I hope someone can make use of this. Northeast Biodiesel will be able to meet this specification by next fall. Tom Leue Biodiesel Fuel (B-20) Specifications Biodiesel Composition: Methyl esters of the following length: Sum of C16+C18s 90.5 wt. % min. Determined by GC Fraction C16 2.0 wt. % max. Determined by GC Fraction C18 7.5 wt. % max. Determined by GC Blend Ratio: Minimum 19.0 percent and maximum 21.0 percent by volume biodiesel complying with the above specifications for feedstock and composition, and the balance federally qualified low sulfur diesel fuel (15 PPM maximum sulfur) complying with ASTM #2-D standard (D-975). The supplier is required to supply dual meter or weight receipts documenting 80% diesel/20% B-100 blend rate. The biodiesel component of the fuel blend must comply with this specification. The biodiesel component is limited to a nominal B-20 blend, and to biodiesel meeting the specified carbon lengths and consisting of ethers produced from methyl alcohol and recycled or virgin plant oil sources. Laboratory report certifying compliance with the ASTM standards must be dated no earlier than 30 days before the date of fuel delivery and represent the fuel being delivered. A copy of this laboratory certification should accompany the delivery. Diesel Component (D1 or D2) Specifications to meet ASTM D-975 Biodiesel Component (B-100) Specifications to meet ASTM D-6751 (3 columns below) Specifications Requirements ASTM Test Acid Number .80 mg KOH/gm maximum D-664 Carbon Residue 100% sample 0.05% maximum (weight) D-4530 Cetane Number 47 minimum D-613 Cloud Point Report* D-2500 Copper Strip Corrosion No.3 maximum D-130 Flash Point 130 C minimum D-93 Free Glycerin .020% maximum (weight) D-6584 Kinematic Viscosity 1.9-3.0 mm2/sec. at 40C D-445 Phosphorus Content .001% maximum (weight) D-4951 Sulfated Ash 0.02% maximum (weight) D-874 Sulfur .0015% maximum (weight) D-5453 Total Glycerin 0.240 maximum (weight) D-6584 Water and Sediment 0.05% maximum D-2709 * For the B-20 mix, the Cold Filter Plugging Point (CFPP) must not exceed the lowest ambient temperature. -10 F Winter; 25 F Summer. Winter = October 1st - March 31st. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fwd: article on biodiesel in Rural VT newsletter
Watch out, its a heavy duty rant: Published by the farmer advocacy group Rural Vermont from: http://www.vtce.org/biodiesel.html Rural Vermontâs Farm Policy Network News September 2004, Issue #26 Not the Biodiesel You Think It Is By Michael Feiner What starts at the pump and comes out of the tailpipe is not the beginning and end of the discussion on biodiesel, or other âenvironmentally friendly alternatives.â As with everything else in todayâs commodified consumer culture, if you want a fair cost/benefit analysis, youâre going to have to follow the waste stream back a little further. Most of the biodiesel available today in New England is brought to you by World Energy Alternatives, LLC, a privately owned company controlling most of the US market for this new fuel. The distribution and production of biodiesel is being regulated by the EPA and DOE, two institutions with proven track records for favoring big business over independent producers. Their aim is not to allow the people control of their resources, or to insure higher quality, or to lower the gross pollution of our delicate biosphere, but rather to further consolidate the market in the lap of transnational corporate interests, and keep the public nipping at the pump. According to World Energyâs own website, biodiesel is primarily made from, âvirgin vegetable oils (primarily soybeans)â redirecting the market âsurplusâ of vegetable oil into another saleable form. Why is there a surplus of domestic soybean oil? Because the regulatory agencies in the much of the rest of the world have declined to accept American export of genetically engineered (GE) soy products, i.e. the US âsurplusâ commodity. According to a recent article in the Brattleboro Reformer titled, Support for biodiesel growing in Vermont, (9/18/04, Howard Weiss-Tisman) âVermont farmers grow about 1,000 acres of soybeans which mostly goes to cow feed. Lane (David Lane, deputy secretary for agricultural development at the Vermont Agency of Agriculture) said he wanted to hear what increased production might mean for the Vermont farmer.â What he and others involved in the big push for biodiesel production in the state do not seem to be concerned with is what increased production of Genetically Engineered Soy in Vermont will mean for the environment, for health, and for the future. Of the 1,000 acres of soy already being grown in Vermont, it is safe to say that most of that is GE, and the variety spreading like wildfire across the country and now into Vermont is Monsantoâs Roundup Ready Soy. Vermonters will not miss this obvious exclusion in the biodiesel debate and just be blinded by the pretty golden glow around biodieselâ¦Or will they? Unlike the United States, much of the rest of the world has been more skeptical and cautious on the issue of genetic engineering, having the foresight to see the threat this technology as pollution would have on their environment. In 2002, the authorities of Zimbabwe even went so far as to deny the import of US food aid in the midst of a widespread hunger crises because the âfoodâ , mostly whole corn kernels, was genetically engineered and the risk that some kernels might end up being planted in the ground was too high. To wit, the Bush administration has also tied the acceptance of GE exports to AIDS relief packages and international trade security. The corporate and government interests behind this dangerous new technology have found their sheepâs clothing, or cowâs, with the advent of biodiesel. Now they can steal into bed with well-meaning environmental organizations and their constituencies, still pushing their same devil seed onto an unknowing public, only this time in a package a public clamoring for âalternativesâ canât resist; biodiesel; agribusinessâ new Trojan Horse. But it doesnât have to be that way. Two more wars in the last four years, and the ongoing neo-colonial operations in Latin America to secure more US corporate control of petroleum resources, have woken a few people up from the calm stupor of the late 90âs. This and the drastic spike in the price for this Americaâs greatest addiction, oil, have urged the 21st century environmentalist to ratchet up the pressure in the push for âalternative energy,â especially biodiesel, and Vermont is no exception. At the same time people have been raising their voices loud across the globe against genetic engineering. The last ten years in Vermont have seen a grassroots movement against GE and the planting of these toxic crops in the state virtually explode in the legislature and across 80 town meetings, in the streets and on the farms. The two are not mutually exclusive points, and close attention is needed as the push for alternatives marches on, alternatives
[Biofuel] Re: Seeking BioD plant county permit experience
That's because the fire codes stop at Class IIIb. There are no fire codes on class IIIc, but look at the definitions. It is not rated as a combustible liquid, let alone a flammable liquid. Its not fire code regulated. Even if one wanted to regulate to the far more restrictive IIb, those are not difficult hurdles. Here is a summary of the applicable IIIb requirements as if for biodiesel, Which Don't Apply to Biodiesel. Tom Leue National Fire Code Regulations: NFPA Code 30 Fire protection Code for Storage of Flammable Liquids 2.2.2.3 Plastic tanks permitted inside with fire extinguisher system. Tanks to 15 high in steel, 7 high in plastic. 2.2.5.2.1 No emergency relief or special venting requirement for storage tanks. 2.3.2.1.5 Tanks up to 12,000 gallons must be located more than 5 feet from property line or another significant building. 2.3.2.2.1 Tank separation as close as 3 apart. 2.3.4.1 No storage tank building required, outside storage OK. Roof or canopy does not constitute a building. 3.3.3.2 Any type of tank valves may be used. 4.4.2.1 Storage tank warehouses to have 2 hour fire rating on walls and ceilings. 4.4.2.5 Curbs, scuppers and drains need not be provided to control releases. 4.4.4.1 Indoor, unprotected storage up to 55,000 gallons. More allowed in liquid warehouses. 4.5.2.2 Each tank limited to 13,750 gallons. 4.5.6.2 For unprotected mercantile storage areas, up to 15,000 total maximum storage allowed. 4.8.2.2 For water sprinklers, 120 square feet per sprinkler head. 4.8.5 No spill containment required for portable storage areas. 4.8.6.1 Sprinklers @ 50 PSI to 15 height. 5.1.1 Solvent distillation unit restrictions do not apply. 5.3.3.1 Areas and building used for blending or mixing may be constructed of flammable materials. 5.5.4.1 Areas outside of designated storage areas may contain up to 20 portable storage containers up to 660 gallons each. A173 OSHA classification of IIIB fuel is combustion temperature 200F. D4 (a) For 5-gallon storage areas, any type of sprinkler head may be used. In a message dated 10/21/04 11:56:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Biodiesel is a class IIIc liquid? I can't seem to Google that. That is great news. But I can't even find class IIIc anywhere - Can you help? Seeking BioD plant county permit experience Biodiesel is a class IIIc liquid. it is not classified as a combustible liquid. the definition of combustible is having a flash point of up to 200 degrees. I have laboratory reports that show that biodiesel does not have a flash point below 200 degrees. Actual flash point is often up to 300 degrees. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] New Biodiesel tax credits
Can anyone interpret this? This is the new tax credit passed last week and to be signed into law next week. Since it is in reference to other codes, its hard to follow. Might be a good thing for small producers, but who knows? Is this tax credit for the users at 50 cents per gallon? Up to B-50? WVO based biodiesel the same as soy? Tom Leue SEC. 302. BIODIESEL INCOME TAX CREDIT. (a) IN GENERAL.Subpart D of part IV of sub chapter A of chapter 1 (relating to business related credits) is amended by inserting after section 40 the following new section: SEC. 40A. BIODIESEL USED AS FUEL. (a) GENERAL RULE.For purposes of section 38, the biodiesel fuels credit determined under this section for the taxable year is an amount equal to the sum of (1) the biodiesel mixture credit, plus (2) the biodiesel credit. (b) DEFINITION OF BIODIESEL MIXTURE CREDIT AND BIODIESEL CREDIT. For purposes of this section (1) BIODIESEL MIXTURE CREDIT. (A) IN GENERAL.The biodiesel mixture credit of any taxpayer for any taxable year is 50 cents for each gallon of biodiesel used by the taxpayer in the production of a qualified biodiesel mixture. (B) QUALIFIED BIODIESEL MIXTURE. The term qualified biodiesel mixture means a mixture of biodiesel and diesel fuel (as defined in section 4083(a)(3)), determined without regard to any use of kerosene, which (i) is sold by the taxpayer producing such mixture to any person for use as a fuel, or (ii) is used as a fuel by the taxpayer producing such mixture. (C) SALE OR USE MUST BE IN TRADE OR BUSINESS, ETC.Biodiesel used in the production of a qualified biodiesel mixture shall be taken into account (i) only if the sale or use described in subparagraph (B) is in a trade or business of the taxpayer, and (ii) for the taxable year in which such sale or use occurs. (D) CASUAL OFF-FARM PRODUCTION NOT ELIGIBLE.No credit shall be allowed under this section with respect to any casual off-farm production of a qualified biodiesel mixture. (2) BIODIESEL CREDIT. (A) IN GENERAL.The biodiesel credit of any taxpayer for any taxable year is 50 cents for each gallon of biodiesel which is not in a mixture with diesel fuel and which during the taxable year (i) is used by the taxpayer as a fuel in a trade or business, or (ii) is sold by the taxpayer at retail to a person and placed in the fuel tank of such persons vehicle. (B) USER CREDIT NOT TO APPLY TO BIODIESEL SOLD AT RETAIL.No credit shall be allowed under subparagraph (A)(i) with respect to any biodiesel which was sold in a retail sale described in subparagraph (A)(ii). (3) CREDIT FOR AGRI-BIODIESEL.In the case of any biodiesel which is agri-biodiesel, paragraphs (1)(A) and (2)(A) shall be applied by substituting $1.00 for 50 cents. (4) CERTIFICATION FOR BIODIESEL.No credit shall be allowed under this section unless the taxpayer obtains a certification (in such form and manner as prescribed by the Secretary) from the producer or importer of the biodiesel which identifies the product produced and the percentage of biodiesel and agri-biodiesel in the product. (c) COORDINATION WITH CREDIT AGAINST EXCISE TAX.The amount of the credit determined under this section with respect to any biodiesel shall be properly reduced to take into account any benefit provided with respect to such biodiesel solely by reason of the application of section 6426 or 6427(e). (d) DEFINITIONS AND SPECIAL RULES.For purposes of this section (1) BIODIESEL.The term biodiesel means the monoalkyl esters of long chain fatty acids de- rived from plant or animal matter which meet (A) the registration requirements for fuels and fuel additives established by the Environmental Protection Agency under section 211 of the Clean Air Act (42 U.S.C. 7545), and (B) the requirements of the American Society of Testing and Materials D6751. (2) AGRI-BIODIESEL.The term agri-biodiesel means biodiesel derived solely from virgin oils, including esters derived from virgin vegetable oils from corn, soybeans, sunflower seeds, cottonseeds, canola, crambe, rapeseeds, safflowers, flaxseeds, rice bran, and mustard seeds, and from animal fats. (3) MIXTURE OR BIODIESEL NOT USED AS A FUEL, ETC. (A) MIXTURES.If (i) any credit was determined under this section with respect to biodiesel used in the production of any qualified biodiesel mixture, and (ii) any person (I) separates the biodiesel from the mixture, or (II) without separation, uses the mixture other than as a fuel, then there is hereby imposed on such person a tax equal to the product of the rate applicable under subsection (b)(1)(A) and the number of gallons of such biodiesel in such mixture. (B) BIODIESEL.If (i) any credit was determined under this section with respect to the retail sale of any biodiesel, and (ii) any person mixes such biodiesel or uses such biodiesel other than as a fuel, then there is hereby imposed on such person a tax equal to the product of the rate applicable under subsection
[Biofuel] VW warranty
I find the following policy of VW America hard to fathom. Really outrageous! Sorry if I'm double posting this, but I can't seem to access your list anymore, so don't know whats going on. Tom Leue Original Message Subject: RE: Product Information 9/30 mh Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:10:51 -0400 From: VIC Web Responses [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Sailesh, Thank you for visiting the Volkswagen Web site.Ê We appreciate your inquiry on Volkswagen's position on using biodiesel fuel. B100 stands for 100% biodiesel.Ê It is a diesel fuel derived from biomass feedstock such as soybeans.Ê It can be blended with regular diesel fuel (B20 = 20% biodiesel/80% regular diesel, for example).Ê In Europe our diesel engines are certified to operate any blend of the biodiesel that is available in Europe.Ê European biodiesel is different than biodiesel in the U.S. since it is produced from different feedstock (the rapeseed plant versus the soy plant). Our parent company does not agree with the specifications for biodiesel in the U.S. and does not recommend its use in any percentage. Using biodiesel will invalidate our warranty. If you have any further questions or concerns, please contact Volkswagen Customer Care at 800-822-8987.ÊÊ Thank you for your submission! Maria Volktalk - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: VW Warranty
The part I am exercised about is VW of America saying that biodiesel voids warranty-across the board. No other known manufacturer does this, they set standards for the fuel and expect any fuel to meet these. If they don't meet these, you may be on your own, but to void the warranty? What if the fuel has nothing to do with the problem? I find the following policy of VW America hard to fathom. Really outrageous! Not really. They don't like soy biodiesel, and they have their reasons. It's been discussed here before. In fact I discussed it with you - oxidation and polymerisation, remember? http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37153/ The Euro standard specifies an Iodine No. of less than 120. See: National standards for biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#biodstds Rapeseed oil is 98, soy is 130. Sorry if I'm double posting this, but I can't seem to access your list anymore, so don't know whats going on. What's going on is that your ISP has been blocking messages, for reasons of its own. Maybe you should find out why. Keith Addison List owner Tom Leue Original Message Subject: RE: Product Information 9/30 mh Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:10:51 -0400 From: VIC Web Responses To: 'sailesh.edu' Dear Sailesh, Thank you for visiting the Volkswagen Web site. We appreciate your inquiry on Volkswagen's position on using biodiesel fuel. B100 stands for 100% biodiesel. It is a diesel fuel derived from biomass feedstock such as soybeans. It can be blended with regular diesel fuel (B20 = 20% biodiesel/80% regular diesel, for example). In Europe our diesel engines are certified to operate any blend of the biodiesel that is available in Europe. European biodiesel is different than biodiesel in the U.S. since it is produced from different feedstock (the rapeseed plant versus the soy plant). Our parent company does not agree with the specifications for biodiesel in the U.S. and does not recommend its use in any percentage. Using biodiesel will invalidate our warranty. If you have any further questions or concerns, please contact Volkswagen Customer Care at 800-822-8987. Thank you for your submission! Maria Volktalk - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Greenfield MA Recorder article on Biodiesel
Biodiesel plant plan sizzling By RICHIE DAVIS Recorder Staff Plans are under way for a factory to convert recycled vegetable oil to biodiesel fuel in the Greenfield area next year, Co-opPlus of Western Massachusetts announced Friday. The 1,200-member energy cooperative announced formation of Northeast Biodiesel LLC to build the $1.5 million biodiesel plant. The effort received $300,000 in a National Renewable Energy grant secured with help from Rep. John W. Olver, D-Amherst. The new venture is the outgrowth of a two-year Pioneer Valley Biodiesel Cooperative. Plans for the new plant are scheduled to be announced at an Oct. 1 press conference, but principals are negotiating for an existing building a stone's throw from Greenfield, said Technical Director Thomas Leue, who represents one-third of the corporation formed Friday. It's a good thing all-around, said Leue, who for the past seven years has been collecting waste oil from restaurants and converting it to biodiesel, a vegetable-based alternative to petroleum that burns with the smell of french fries. The plant will employ 12 people initially, he said, and have an initial capacity of 500,000 gallons per year for fueling diesel trucks, cars and tractors, as well as for home heating. More than 400 truck fleets use biodiesel, including the University of Massachusetts, Amherst College, the U.S. military, NASA, national parks, along with some state departments of transportation and school buses. Nationally, more than 250 filling stations offer biodiesel, and many fuel distributors make biodiesel available in bulk, according to a press release from the Greenfield-based Cooperative Development Institute. CDI helped funnel a $32,000 grant to the six-member biodiesel cooperative last year from the U.S. Department of Agriculture to study the feasibility of how the venture could be set up. Some residents in the region have been buying biodiesel in bulk over the past several years, while others have been using a blend of biodiesel heating oil. Because it reduces sulfur content and improves clean combustion, Holyoke-based Alliance Energy has announced that all of its home heating oil will be a 3 percent blend of biodiesel beginning Oct. 1, increasing to 5 percent after this heating season. Alliance, which also has a biodiesel pump for vehicles operating in Holyoke, now has to buy its product from Iowa. According to Leue, Northeast will be the only producer of biodiesel in a 600-mile radius, and 90 percent of its product will be sold wholesale to fuel dealers. It will also be sold retail at one or more filling stations in Franklin County and beyond. With biodiesel, everybody wins, whether you use it or not. It's going to increase good-paying employment around the valley, it's going to pick up recycled waste and reuse it, it's going to be reducing our money leaving the county and going overseas, it's going to reduce the cost for restaurants for their disposal fees, and the environment's going to be cleaner. Forming the new corporation helps Leue, whose Ashfield backyard biodiesel production plant was curtailed by the federal Environmental Protection Agency because he was required to buy the rights to a federally approved National Biodiesel Board safety test at an annual cost of $5,000. The scale of his operation would have added $1 per gallon to his price, rather than a penny, he said. This is a significant step toward finding local and renewable energy sources so we can reduce our dependence on foreign oil that is polluting our world, said Leue. He said the price structure of the new plant should make it the lowest-price biodiesel in the United States. With the closest production facilities now in Florida, Southern Ohio and Kentucky, he said, I think we'll do it very well, thank you very much. There is already a growing number of customers for biodiesel in Vermont, New Hampshire and around western Massachusetts, so he said, I don't think we'll have any problem selling it. Biodiesel, which has been shown to greatly reduce most of the pollutants that standard petroleum fuel produces, has no appreciable sulfur emissions, cuts soot and fumes by over half, reduces carcinogens by more than 90 percent and almost eliminates greenhouse gasses associated with global warming, according to proponents. Biodiesel also is said to reduce wear in standard engines and makes them operate more quietly. It is easily biodegradable and essentially non-toxic. It's thrilling to see this project get off the ground, said Co-opPlus Interim Manager Lynn Benander. Co-opPlus is a tool that people in western Massachusetts are using to take control of their energy future. This plant will help us do that. You can reach Richie Davis at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or (413) 772-0261 Ext.269 - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel
Re: [biofuel] Tons of greenhouses gases removed??
My last answer on this question was way off. My apologies. This calculation is a better number: CO2 per gallon of diesel fuel: 22.4 lbs Molecular weight of oxygen in biodiesel 0.11 CO2 per gallon of biodiesel 19.9 lbs (this calc. still problematic) ERoEI virgin soy biodiesel3.2 (Energy Returned on Energy Invested) Fossil energy imbodied in biodiesel 0.3125 gallons Net volume of renewable fuel 0.6875 gallons Net CO2 saved per gallon of biodiesel 13.7 lbs For waste vegetable oil based biodiesel, it looks a little better: ERoEI WVO biodiesel 5.4 Fossil energy imbodied in biodiesel 0.19 gallons Net volume of renewable fuel 0.81 gallons Net CO2 saved per gallon of biodiesel 16.2 lbs AFAIK, that's a reasonable guess. Tom Leue In a message dated 8/27/04 11:40:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am looking into a small scale production of b100 and was wondering how many ton's of greenhouse gasses are not produced using B100 vs. dino-diesel. Say in ton's per 1000 gal's (or 10,000 gal)of B100. I think maybe co-op's or station's selling B100 could advertise how many ton's they have removed based on total gallon's produced and presumably burned as fuel.Ê Sorta like Rotten Ronney's( McDonald's) saying how many burgers sold.Ê It might raise the awareness of bio- diesel. Thanks Gary - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Benefit Bash for BioDiesel this weekend!
In a message dated 8/23/04 11:06:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you haven't gotten your tickets yet...please, please forward to any and all who would be interested. Saturday,Ê August 28 * 7:00Ê at Memorial Hall CHARLES NEVILLEÊ Benefit Bash for Tom Leue BioDiesel The Charles Neville Quartet offers up a spirited blend of New Orleans-style Latin jazz funk in a benefit bash for Ashfield resident Tom Leue, whose biodiesel barn facility burned down in October. We hope to have a momentous showing of community support to benefit biodiesel in the Valley - come learn about and support the plan for the proposed biodiesel refinery. $15 advanceÊ /Ê $17 door /ÊÊ under 18 half price INFO TICKETS Location: Memorial Hall theater in Shelburne Falls seats 425. (51 Bridge Street) Advance tickets available at: Boswell's Books World Eye Bookshop On-Line tix: www.HilltownFolk.com ($1.50 surcharge) Tix by phone w/ credit card (413) 625-2580Ê ($1.50 surcharge) Information: Gayle Olson, 413-625-2580 Web site/Directions: www.HilltownFolk.com - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Need A Name Contest
As I have referred to in the past, Homestead Inc. and CoopPlus of Western Massachusetts are joining forces to create a new small commercial sized biodiesel processor in Western Massachusetts. Anticipated construction date is by or before January of 2005. One thing that's a little stuck right now is a PRODUCT NAME. I'm the only one who likes my previous product name, Yellow brand PREMIUM Biodiesel, so we have to look elsewhere. Here's an offer: if anyone can help us find a new product name for our biodiesel, made from 100% recycled vegetable oil, collected from the local generators and sold to the local users as 100% roadworthy biodiesel, there is a reward for you! The person who suggests the best name for our biodiesel, in our opinion, for our new main product of B-100, will receive ten (10) certificates, each good for five gallons of B-100 biodiesel! This will require the name be registrable for our company.These certificates normally are sold for $10.00 each, and will be worth even more in the near future. Biodiesel is f.o.b. the factory, and the certificates are redeemable after the factory opens for normal production, expected by early 2006. Send to the list here, or send to me directly, its your choice. I'll publish the name when it is chosen in the next 30 to 45 days, and name the lucky winner of all of that biodiesel! Note that if the corporate venture does its own name inventing, there will be no web based winner. But give it a few minutes thought, the winner could be you! Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: NOx and catalytic converter use.
The EPA and the Bush Administration have agreed that sulfur in American diesel fuel will be lowered to 15 ppm as of June 30, 2006. At that time it will be clean enough to not contaminate catalytic converters intended to reduce NOx contaminants. Can anyone definitively state that 2% biodiesel is the cheapest lubricity additive? How about 1-1/2%? What about with a tax credit behind it? Any ideas as to what the canola type additives are going for, and if they are not biodiesel, what are they? Inquiring minds want to know. Tom Leue In a message dated 8/19/04 3:47:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sulfur attacks the catalyst.Ê Sulfur oxidizes most metals. EPA has a schedule for phase-out of sulfur in fuels.Ê The date for switch to low-sulfur gasoline happened, January 2004 (at 15 ppm).Ê The switch to low-sulfur diesel is scheduled for 2009, currently, at 10 ppm.Ê Very-low-sulfur diesel is currently available in Canada (I saw the pump in Edmonton), and in Europe. I just posted a query to a list that contains some automotive engineers.Ê I will pass on any knowledge forthcoming. We (I - sorry) have discussed at length whether NOx should be counted as a pollutant. Ernie Rogers Keith said, Does it do that or does it destroy the catalyst? Like Leaded gas did in the early 1970's. Car makers have worked hard at getting better engines and converters but no one has looked at the source of the problem, sulfur in the fuel and guess what BIO D solves that problem Nobody wants to criticize the oil companies! Especially here in Japan, to a quite bizarre extent, but it seems to be a general malaise. The only time I've ever heard it suggested in any way officially was in Hong Kong in 1996 when a legislator with close ties to the transport industry said: Why not just improve the existing diesel fuel and reduce its particulates? Everyone else politely pretended she hadn't said it. Best wishes Keith - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesels...
Keith, On behalf of me, and I am sure many others, thank you for the recent excellent library on diesels, their operation and health and environmental effects. We need to know about the technology we are dealing with. Again, you are making all of us more knowledgeable and capable with your excellent research. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Vermont Alternative Energy Fair!
Like, where, Dude? In a message dated 8/15/04 12:27:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: August 20th and 21 for those interested in attending! Thanks.Ê Jon - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Extending storage life of biodiesel
Muriatic acid is the same as a 50/50 mix of hydrochloric acid and water. Some amount of hydrochloric can be used to balance excess alkalinity, but I don't think it will act as a preservative particularly. I also don't advocate adding chlorine as it will turn to salt with the excess lye. Have you tested the residual acidity? Let us know. Tom Leue In a message dated 7/27/04 11:52:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Tom, I was wondering if Muriatic acid can be used as an anti oxidant as well as to help break an emulsion.Ê I used about a table spoon on 5 gallons of emulsification, and it worked great, but I don't know if it will be detrimental to the engine. Be unto others a wish-granting Jewel -The Dalai-Llama jamie merkle 617 969 2489 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Extending storage life of biodiesel
Hello again, Dr. Jon Van Gerpen taught a course segment on the oxidation issue. He has charts that show a doubling of storage life of vegetable oil with an antioxidant. Most of these studies have been done on vegetable oil or lard to date, but should translate in some degree to biodiesel. The more effective stabilizers have chelators which help tie up free metals, such as copper that catalyze oxidation. The amount of antioxidant is more than a few ppm, I guess, since it is 0.01%, which translates to 100 ppm, as you say. This has been shown to reduce oxidation 20 fold. Americans are not so concerned with polymerization as are the Europeans, although I'm not sure that should be so. I don't know how these chemicals affect this lacquer effect. I was talking about measuring the peroxide content as a measure of oxidation. As with most technical details, there are various levels one can work with, and until my operation is in production, which is planned for by next spring, I intend to work on the basics: keep it dry, sell it fast, add some standard preservatives, inform your customers about how to handle it, and learn from experience. I wish someone else who is doing this right now was telling us how it all works, but we are still earlier in our learning process. Tom Leue In a message dated 7/26/04 2:09:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Tom, Lurch The most effective antioxidants for biodiesel are the same you find in breakfast cereal packaging, namely BHA and BHT.ÊÊ A mixture of the two works even better. Now you can buy premixed antioxidants from companies such as Kodak. It only takes a few ppm to make a dramatic impact on shelf life of biodiesel. For you natural granola types, citric acid can easily double the shelf life of biodiesel. Do you have any further information on this? Or have you tried it? In Europe, where the new Euro standard has tough Oxidation stability limits, people are using anti-oxidants specifically made for biodiesel, and they say the food additives, and even the edible oil anti-oxidants (usually synthetic vitamins) are not suitable. This is commercial-level stuff, usually sold by the IBC (intermediate bulk container - 1000 litres), it's expensive, and the manufacturers keep the formulas to themselves. It's usually added at 200-300 ppm volumetric. The anti-ox additive must be injected into the finished fuel right after production. You have about 8 hours to wash and dry before the anti-ox injection. The injection should be done without splashing. And obviously bubble-washing and bubble-drying are out, not just because of the time factor but because they both oxidise the fuel. The purpose of this isn't so much to increase storage life and deter biological activity as to prevent the cross-bridging and polymerisation caused by oxidation. Rapeseed oil is probably the most common feedstock there, polymerisation is said to be a concern with rapeseed oil, and it has a lower Iodine Value than America's soy oil does. Both are classed as semi-drying oils. The most effective method is to keep it in an airtight container. Biodiesel is also unstable in light. Keep it in a dark place. Also, dry biodiesel is far more stable. Maybe as far as biological activity is concerned, but I don't think water content has any effect on cross-bridging. If this is not possible, such as being in a standard fuel tank somewhere which must be vented, then the NBB recommends using the biodiesel within 6 months. If polymerisation is a concern, and I believe it is a concern, it will start to polymerise much sooner than that, especially if it's been bubble-washed, unless it's derived from low-Iodine Value feedstock or has been treated in time with a suitable antioxidant. These preservatives will make this last two to four times as long without serious oxidation. Hm. Again, do you have any references for this? You should also know that biodiesel made from recycled yellow grease lasts approximately twice as long as biodiesel made from virgin soy oil. I've heard that a couple of times and have never been able to track it down. Also I can't see why that should be so. Can you shed some further light on this? What quite do you means by lasts and shelf life? That it doesn't biodegrade as quickly? I'm not sure, but I suspect that sufficient citric acid to prevent oxidation and cross-bridging in semi-drying oils might result in problems meeting the Acid Value levels set in the standards. Best wishes Keith Addison Tom Leue In a message dated 7/24/04 5:09:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone had any experience using some inert gas such as nitrogen to prevent oxidation of stored biodiesel? Perhaps some sort of oxygen absorber? If there isn't any oxygen in contact with the biodiesel perhaps it would increase storage life.How might this affect algae growth? Lurch
Re: [biofuel] Re: Extending storage life of biodiesel
The citric acid needed is about 0.005%, or about 50 ppm. This is effective in combination with propyl gallate, another unknown chemical in my book. But I don't know how effective it is by itself, and I suspect it would take 4 to 10 times as much to achieve the same as the combination. This might throw off the acid value, and have to be neutralized. (Keith Addison) I don't know, but I'll put it on the list to be studied. Wouldn't it be easier to protect the fuel with dark, sealed containers, and just use it up? Tom Leue In a message dated 7/26/04 1:54:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is this a known factor and what are the volumes involved using citric acid as a stabilizer? (I am one of those granola types) Would a standard 20 or 60 liter tight head drum (poly)/carboy work for storage using the citric? And we are referring to B100 right ? thanks L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The most effective antioxidants for biodiesel are the same you find in breakfast cereal packaging, namely BHA and BHT.ÊÊ A mixture of the two works even better. Now you can buy premixed antioxidants from companies such as Kodak. It only takes a few ppm to make a dramatic impact on shelf life of biodiesel.ÊÊ For you natural granola types, citric acid can easily double the shelf life of biodiesel.ÊÊ The most effective method is to keep it in an airtight container. Also, dry biodiesel is far more stable.ÊÊ If this is not possible, such as being in a standard fuel tank somewhere which must be vented, then the NBB recommends using the biodiesel within 6 months.ÊÊ These preservatives will make this last two to four times as long without serious oxidation. You should also know that biodiesel made from recycled yellow grease lasts approximately twice as long as biodiesel made from virgin soy oil. Tom Leue In a message dated 7/24/04 5:09:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone had any experience using some inert gas such as nitrogen to prevent oxidation of stored biodiesel? Perhaps some sort of oxygen absorber? If there isn't any oxygen in contact with the biodiesel perhaps it would increase storage life.How might this affect algae growth? Lurch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Price of Fuel
You have misinterpreted my chart. The $2.15 is for B100, the price for diesel fuel is $1.12 in Atlanta. Its hard to keep columns in an email document, but you need to straighten out the columns, of which there are four values given for each location: B100, B20, B02 and diesel fuel. Tom Leue In a message dated 7/25/04 11:29:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Tom, Thanks for explaining about this more, however, I'm still a bit confused about the numbers for my neck of the woods. As I mentioned, dino-diesel is fairly cheap here, ranging from $1.65 to $1.75 (taxes are included in these prices), those prices are in that range from Rockmart to Douglasville, which is 37 miles away.Maybe somewhere in Downtown Atlanta or along the Interstate Highway somewhere you will find dino-diesel at $2.15, if I'm reading your chart right, but not where I am. There is a Shell station here in Rockmart that sells High Sulfur diesel for off-road use (maybe for farm use too), it's a lot cheaper as I don't think it is taxed, but since I've never bought any, I don't know for sure. Also, Georgia has one of the lowest fuel tax in the USA. Respectfully, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More explanation: these prices are for fuels that are untaxed, and therefore the retail taxed fuel would be around 45¢ per gallon higher, depending on your state. Then too, these are wholesale prices, and the difference between the quoted price, plus tax, and the price at the pump represents the profit that the retailer is selling the fuel for.ÊÊ Generally you can count on 30 to 40¢ per gallon profit on diesel fuel, and somewhat higher on any biodiesel mix.ÊÊ When I say wholesale, I'm talking a minimum of 3000 gallons, and often 7500 gallon or so, a whole truckload Tom Leue In a message dated 7/24/04 4:48:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Tom, I couldn't make sense of your post because of the way it came up. Are you comparing the prices for dino diesel biodiesel? My reason for asking is that I live around 75 miles west of Atlanta GA, I know that the price of dino diesel between home work (Rockmart to Douglasville) $1.65 $1.75 (taxes included), I am not aware of any commercial distribution of biodiesel in my area. Also, gasoline ranges from $1.79 (regular) to $1.99 (premium) (taxes included) along my route as well. Respectfully yours, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to send this along earlier as an attachment, my bad. People still want this, so here is the market for the eastern part of the country and Canada. Sorry, I don't track the Western part. Tom Leue Latest update:Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê 7/22/04Ê Ê Note: No taxes included.Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê LocalityÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê B-100Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê B-20Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê B-2Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ Diesel Albany, NYÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê $2.406Ê Ê Ê $1.403Ê Ê Ê $1.176Ê Ê Ê $1.151 Atlanta, GAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.337Ê Ê Ê $1.135Ê Ê Ê $1.112 Baltimore, MDÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.453Ê Ê Ê $1.380Ê Ê Ê $1.145Ê Ê Ê $1.117 Boston, MAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.210Ê Ê Ê $1.311Ê Ê Ê $1.149Ê Ê Ê $1.132 Burlington, VTÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.326Ê Ê Ê $1.154Ê Ê Ê $1.130 Charleston, WVÊ Ê Ê $2.408Ê Ê Ê $1.412Ê Ê Ê $1.184Ê Ê Ê $1.159 Columbia, SCÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.449Ê Ê Ê $1.387Ê Ê Ê $1.139Ê Ê Ê $1.116 Columbus, OHÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.225Ê Ê Ê $1.305Ê Ê Ê $1.104Ê Ê Ê $1.083 Des Moines, IAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.414Ê Ê Ê $1.369Ê Ê Ê $1.152Ê Ê Ê $1.127 Dover, DEÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.345Ê Ê Ê $1.161Ê Ê Ê $1.140 Indianapolis, INÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.279Ê Ê Ê $1.092Ê Ê Ê $1.072 Jackson, MSÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.030Ê Ê Ê $1.304Ê Ê Ê $1.138Ê Ê Ê $1.120 Jacksonville, FLÊ Ê Ê $2.208Ê Ê Ê $1.354Ê Ê Ê $1.161Ê Ê Ê $1.140 Little Rock, ARÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.100Ê Ê Ê $1.317Ê Ê Ê $1.140Ê Ê Ê $1.120 Louisville, KYÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.050Ê Ê Ê $1.324Ê Ê Ê $1.158Ê Ê Ê $1.140 Manchester, NHÊ Ê Ê $2.226Ê Ê Ê $1.373Ê Ê Ê $1.179Ê Ê Ê $1.157 Miami, FLÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê $2.100Ê Ê Ê $1.326Ê Ê Ê $1.151Ê Ê Ê $1.132 Minneapolis, MNÊ Ê Ê $2.074Ê Ê Ê $1.392Ê Ê Ê $1.188Ê Ê Ê $1.170 Nashville, TNÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.339Ê Ê Ê $1.138Ê Ê Ê $1.117 New Orleans, LAÊ Ê Ê $2.400Ê Ê Ê $1.362Ê Ê Ê $1.126Ê Ê Ê $1.100 Newark/NYC, NJÊ Ê Ê $2.395Ê Ê Ê $1.394Ê Ê Ê $1.149Ê Ê Ê $1.124 Philadelphia, PAÊ Ê Ê $2.100Ê Ê Ê $1.352Ê Ê Ê $1.150Ê Ê Ê $1.130 Pittsburgh, PAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.452Ê Ê Ê $1.359Ê Ê Ê $1.163Ê Ê Ê $1.137 Portland, MEÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.078Ê Ê Ê $1.380Ê Ê Ê $1.176Ê Ê Ê $1.158 Providence, RIÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.184Ê Ê Ê $1.367Ê Ê Ê $1.161Ê Ê Ê $1.145 Raleigh, NCÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.178Ê Ê Ê $1.343Ê Ê Ê $1.139Ê Ê Ê $1.121 Richmond, VAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.348Ê Ê Ê $1.150Ê Ê Ê $1.126 St. Louis, MOÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.218Ê Ê Ê $1.353Ê Ê Ê $1.163Ê Ê Ê $1.141 U.S. Average:Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.224Ê Ê Ê $1.351Ê Ê Ê $1.151Ê Ê Ê $1.129 Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ Montreal, QCÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.119Ê Ê Ê $1.426Ê Ê Ê $1.191Ê Ê Ê $1.167 Ottawa, ONÊ Ê Ê Ê
Re: [biofuel] Extending storage life of biodiesel
The most effective antioxidants for biodiesel are the same you find in breakfast cereal packaging, namely BHA and BHT. A mixture of the two works even better. Now you can buy premixed antioxidants from companies such as Kodak. It only takes a few ppm to make a dramatic impact on shelf life of biodiesel. For you natural granola types, citric acid can easily double the shelf life of biodiesel. The most effective method is to keep it in an airtight container. Also, dry biodiesel is far more stable. If this is not possible, such as being in a standard fuel tank somewhere which must be vented, then the NBB recommends using the biodiesel within 6 months. These preservatives will make this last two to four times as long without serious oxidation. You should also know that biodiesel made from recycled yellow grease lasts approximately twice as long as biodiesel made from virgin soy oil. Tom Leue In a message dated 7/24/04 5:09:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone had any experience using some inert gas such as nitrogen to prevent oxidation of stored biodiesel? Perhaps some sort of oxygen absorber? If there isn't any oxygen in contact with the biodiesel perhaps it would increase storage life.How might this affect algae growth? Lurch - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Price of Fuel
More explanation: these prices are for fuels that are untaxed, and therefore the retail taxed fuel would be around 45¢ per gallon higher, depending on your state. Then too, these are wholesale prices, and the difference between the quoted price, plus tax, and the price at the pump represents the profit that the retailer is selling the fuel for. Generally you can count on 30 to 40¢ per gallon profit on diesel fuel, and somewhat higher on any biodiesel mix. When I say wholesale, I'm talking a minimum of 3000 gallons, and often 7500 gallon or so, a whole truckload Tom Leue In a message dated 7/24/04 4:48:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Tom, I couldn't make sense of your post because of the way it came up. Are you comparing the prices for dino diesel biodiesel? My reason for asking is that I live around 75 miles west of Atlanta GA, I know that the price of dino diesel between home work (Rockmart to Douglasville) $1.65 $1.75 (taxes included), I am not aware of any commercial distribution of biodiesel in my area. Also, gasoline ranges from $1.79 (regular) to $1.99 (premium) (taxes included) along my route as well. Respectfully yours, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to send this along earlier as an attachment, my bad. People still want this, so here is the market for the eastern part of the country and Canada. Sorry, I don't track the Western part. Tom Leue Latest update:Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê 7/22/04Ê ÊÊ Note: No taxes included.Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê LocalityÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê B-100Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê B-20Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê B-2Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Diesel Albany, NYÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê $2.406Ê Ê Ê $1.403Ê Ê Ê $1.176Ê Ê Ê $1.151 Atlanta, GAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.337Ê Ê Ê $1.135Ê Ê Ê $1.112 Baltimore, MDÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.453Ê Ê Ê $1.380Ê Ê Ê $1.145Ê Ê Ê $1.117 Boston, MAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.210Ê Ê Ê $1.311Ê Ê Ê $1.149Ê Ê Ê $1.132 Burlington, VTÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.326Ê Ê Ê $1.154Ê Ê Ê $1.130 Charleston, WVÊ Ê Ê $2.408Ê Ê Ê $1.412Ê Ê Ê $1.184Ê Ê Ê $1.159 Columbia, SCÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.449Ê Ê Ê $1.387Ê Ê Ê $1.139Ê Ê Ê $1.116 Columbus, OHÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.225Ê Ê Ê $1.305Ê Ê Ê $1.104Ê Ê Ê $1.083 Des Moines, IAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.414Ê Ê Ê $1.369Ê Ê Ê $1.152Ê Ê Ê $1.127 Dover, DEÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.345Ê Ê Ê $1.161Ê Ê Ê $1.140 Indianapolis, INÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.279Ê Ê Ê $1.092Ê Ê Ê $1.072 Jackson, MSÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.030Ê Ê Ê $1.304Ê Ê Ê $1.138Ê Ê Ê $1.120 Jacksonville, FLÊ Ê Ê $2.208Ê Ê Ê $1.354Ê Ê Ê $1.161Ê Ê Ê $1.140 Little Rock, ARÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.100Ê Ê Ê $1.317Ê Ê Ê $1.140Ê Ê Ê $1.120 Louisville, KYÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.050Ê Ê Ê $1.324Ê Ê Ê $1.158Ê Ê Ê $1.140 Manchester, NHÊ Ê Ê $2.226Ê Ê Ê $1.373Ê Ê Ê $1.179Ê Ê Ê $1.157 Miami, FLÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê $2.100Ê Ê Ê $1.326Ê Ê Ê $1.151Ê Ê Ê $1.132 Minneapolis, MNÊ Ê Ê $2.074Ê Ê Ê $1.392Ê Ê Ê $1.188Ê Ê Ê $1.170 Nashville, TNÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.339Ê Ê Ê $1.138Ê Ê Ê $1.117 New Orleans, LAÊ Ê Ê $2.400Ê Ê Ê $1.362Ê Ê Ê $1.126Ê Ê Ê $1.100 Newark/NYC, NJÊ Ê Ê $2.395Ê Ê Ê $1.394Ê Ê Ê $1.149Ê Ê Ê $1.124 Philadelphia, PAÊ Ê Ê $2.100Ê Ê Ê $1.352Ê Ê Ê $1.150Ê Ê Ê $1.130 Pittsburgh, PAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.452Ê Ê Ê $1.359Ê Ê Ê $1.163Ê Ê Ê $1.137 Portland, MEÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.078Ê Ê Ê $1.380Ê Ê Ê $1.176Ê Ê Ê $1.158 Providence, RIÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.184Ê Ê Ê $1.367Ê Ê Ê $1.161Ê Ê Ê $1.145 Raleigh, NCÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.178Ê Ê Ê $1.343Ê Ê Ê $1.139Ê Ê Ê $1.121 Richmond, VAÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.150Ê Ê Ê $1.348Ê Ê Ê $1.150Ê Ê Ê $1.126 St. Louis, MOÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.218Ê Ê Ê $1.353Ê Ê Ê $1.163Ê Ê Ê $1.141 U.S. Average:Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.224Ê Ê Ê $1.351Ê Ê Ê $1.151Ê Ê Ê $1.129 Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ Montreal, QCÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.119Ê Ê Ê $1.426Ê Ê Ê $1.191Ê Ê Ê $1.167 Ottawa, ONÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.119Ê Ê Ê $1.437Ê Ê Ê $1.195Ê Ê Ê $1.181 Toronto, ONÊ Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.119Ê Ê Ê $1.396Ê Ê Ê $1.224Ê Ê Ê $1.206 Canada Average:Ê Ê Ê $2.119Ê Ê Ê $1.420Ê Ê Ê $1.203Ê Ê Ê $1.185 Minimum:Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ $2.030Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Local Average:Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê $2.221Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: 7/24 7/31 Biodiesel Workshop in Prov.
In a message dated 7/23/04 7:51:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please forward: Apeiron community, this comes to us from McKenna Morrigan, it's a dream come true: Biodiesel in Rhode Island: A renewable energy source for a non-renewable world. Saturday, July 24th Saturday, July 31st, 1-3pm. Come learn about biodiesel, a renewable fuel made from vegetable oil. This workshop will bring together some Rhode Islanders who are using, producing, testing, and distributing biodiesel in the state to talk with us about the benefits of using this renewable fuel. After we learn about the fuel, we will explore how individuals can start using it for personal transportation, and how we can expand biodiesel use and production in Rhode Island and beyond. Location: The People's School Space at CityArts in Providence (891 Broad St, Entrance on Lexington Ave side door) Register online at: http://www.peopleschool.org/workshops.php or by calling The People's School voicemail at 401.427.2181 - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Wonders never cease: The White House and biodiesel!
Here is a news flash that might be of interest. Tom Leue Cheney Confirms Need For Biodiesel Incentive President Also Expresses Support For Biodiesel From Alternative Fuels Index July 22, 2004 Volume 2 Issue 28 The National Biodiesel Board (NBB) and the American Soybean Association (ASA) commended Vice President Cheney, who spearheaded the Presidents Energy Taskforce, for stressing the importance of passing legislation with a biodiesel tax incentive to help diversify Americas energy supply. The groups also called for action in pushing Congress to pass the incentive. Speaking July 19 in Columbia, Mo., near NBB headquarters, Cheney expressed support for the biodiesel tax incentive while discussing the importance of the Energy Bill, which has stalled in Congress. That bill includes within it significant incentives for biodiesel and ethanol, he said. It's very important, we think, to go down that road because it will help us to diversify our supplies, but it also will reduce the extent to which we're dependent on foreign sources of oil for our basic transportation. It's a very good piece of legislation. We need to get it done. Biodiesel is a cleaner burning alternative to petroleum-based diesel, and it is made primarily from soybeans that are grown in the United States. Securing passage of a biodiesel tax incentive is the top legislative priority of ASA and NBB. Due in large part to the efforts of U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) and others, a bio- diesel tax incentive was included in the final Energy Bill. It is a federal excise tax credit that amounts to one penny per percentage point of biodiesel blended with petroleum diesel. The biodiesel tax incentive was also included in the Senate-passed Transportation Bill and legislation approved by the Senate to repeal the Foreign Sales Corporation and Extraterritorial Income (FSC/ETI) tax exclusion. President Bush also expressed his continued support for biodiesel while speaking to a crowd in Cedar Rapids, Iowa on July 20. In order to make sure we continue to grow, we need sensible energy policy in America, Bush said. any reasonable energy policy is to encourage research and development to make sure we can use ethanol better and biodiesel better. It makes sense .we can do things in environmentally friendly ways that we couldn't do 20 years ago. For the sake of national security and economic security, we need to be developing the resources we have here at home to become less dependent on foreign sources of energy. NBB Chairman and ASA First-Vice President Bob Metz, a South Dakota soybean farmer, said the biodiesel tax incentive has had strong bipartisan support at the Congressional level because it is a win for all Americans. It is very gratifying to hear Vice President Cheney say so clearly that there is support for the biodiesel tax incentive at the Executive level, and to hear President Bush say he supports biodiesel, he said. Now is the time for them to use their leadership to get this through. We thank the Vice President for successfully brokering the Energy Bill last time, but we need him to continue to fight for this. We applaud President Bush and Vice President Cheney for highlighting the important role biodiesel plays in our nations fuel mix, said ASA President Neal Bredehoeft from his farm in Alma, Missouri. With support from ag-state members on both sides of the political aisle in Congress and from the Executive Branch, we need the Congress to pass a biodiesel tax incentive this year. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Price of Fuel
I tried to send this along earlier as an attachment, my bad. People still want this, so here is the market for the eastern part of the country and Canada. Sorry, I don't track the Western part. Tom Leue Latest update:7/22/04 Note: No taxes included. LocalityB-100B-20B-2 Diesel Albany, NY$2.406 $1.403 $1.176 $1.151 Atlanta, GA $2.150 $1.337 $1.135 $1.112 Baltimore, MD $2.453 $1.380 $1.145 $1.117 Boston, MA $2.210 $1.311 $1.149 $1.132 Burlington, VT $2.150 $1.326 $1.154 $1.130 Charleston, WV $2.408 $1.412 $1.184 $1.159 Columbia, SC $2.449 $1.387 $1.139 $1.116 Columbus, OH $2.225 $1.305 $1.104 $1.083 Des Moines, IA $2.414 $1.369 $1.152 $1.127 Dover, DE$2.150 $1.345 $1.161 $1.140 Indianapolis, IN $2.150 $1.279 $1.092 $1.072 Jackson, MS $2.030 $1.304 $1.138 $1.120 Jacksonville, FL $2.208 $1.354 $1.161 $1.140 Little Rock, AR $2.100 $1.317 $1.140 $1.120 Louisville, KY $2.050 $1.324 $1.158 $1.140 Manchester, NH $2.226 $1.373 $1.179 $1.157 Miami, FL$2.100 $1.326 $1.151 $1.132 Minneapolis, MN $2.074 $1.392 $1.188 $1.170 Nashville, TN $2.150 $1.339 $1.138 $1.117 New Orleans, LA $2.400 $1.362 $1.126 $1.100 Newark/NYC, NJ $2.395 $1.394 $1.149 $1.124 Philadelphia, PA $2.100 $1.352 $1.150 $1.130 Pittsburgh, PA $2.452 $1.359 $1.163 $1.137 Portland, ME $2.078 $1.380 $1.176 $1.158 Providence, RI $2.184 $1.367 $1.161 $1.145 Raleigh, NC $2.178 $1.343 $1.139 $1.121 Richmond, VA $2.150 $1.348 $1.150 $1.126 St. Louis, MO $2.218 $1.353 $1.163 $1.141 U.S. Average: $2.224 $1.351 $1.151 $1.129 Montreal, QC $2.119 $1.426 $1.191 $1.167 Ottawa, ON $2.119 $1.437 $1.195 $1.181 Toronto, ON $2.119 $1.396 $1.224 $1.206 Canada Average: $2.119 $1.420 $1.203 $1.185 Minimum: $2.030 Local Average: $2.221 - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] NBB meeting update
Thought you would want to know more about where the national Biodiesel Board is going with regulations and such. Tom Leue from girl Mark Hey folks, I only attended most of the NBB meeting on Monday (it went on through Tuesday), and concluded that it is very important for someone to be going to those everytime and reporting back on them.Ê Mark and the Piedmont BioFuels people (Rachel, Lyle, Leif, and Chris) went to everything, and I've copied Mark in so she can add more.Ê Here's some of the research and politics learned about on Monday (most from the technical committee report from Steve Howell): Quality study of biodiesel in the marketplace NREL is funding a survey done by the NBB of B100 and B20.Ê They are taking random samples of B100 and B20 and testing them for quality.Ê They've already done the B100 part (25 samples and they look pretty good, whatever that means). Water separators There's been a study recently (probably by the NBB) looking at the effectiveness of water separators in standard diesel equipment when using B20.Ê the results seem to indicate that B20 makes the water separators less effective than with diesel fuel.Ê This is not good news.Ê Seems B100 might show the same thing if not worse.Ê The NBB will be doing more tests, I think. McMinnville Electric has a grant to test huge generators (like for power plants, I think) on B1 to B100.Ê They are insisting on testing B100 which is great. Crude Glycerine for aviation de-icing A study was done by the USDA Purdue on using the crude glycerine from biodiesel for a de-icing agent for airplanes.Ê It seems very promising, but more studies would have to be done.Ê Currently, 35 million gallons of propylene glycerol (from petroleum) are used annually for de-icing and it sells at .70 per pound. As of 1/1/2005, a lubricity spec of 520 hfrr needs to be met in diesel fuel.Ê Biodiesel is not currently the cheapest option and the petro companies are looking for an additive now.Ê The federal tax incentive, if passed, would help biodiesel become competive in this area. CARB B20 testing The NBB wanted to just test soy B20, but CARB is insisting that they test multiple feedstocks (probably thanks to all of us speaking up at the CARB meeting this spring).Ê This is for the emissions testing (NOx, etc.) for getting it approved as an alternative fuel. Cold Flow Consortium NBB is raising money from its members and petro companies to do a big study of the cold flow properties of biodiesel (I believe of B20 and B100 and of all different fieldstocks).Ê It costs $5000 to support this study and get priority access to the data from it. ASTM UPDATE The NBB is pursuing 4 different things: 1) D975 (diesel fuel spec) - adding that a Biodiesel 5% blend can meet this, so it can be used as a lubricity additive, I think.Ê Earliest this could be proposed is Dec. 2004. 2) New spec for B20 blend - regulatory agencies want a way to test B20 as a finished product at the pump, rather than right now having to look at the two different products that went in to making it.Ê This will take at least 2 years. 3. New spec for B100 as a pure fuel - well, actually Steve Howell admitted that there's really no plan right now to work on this. 4) Oxidation stability test must be added to D6751 (biodiesel as a blending stock).ÊÊ We are at least 12 months out before we have a standard testing method for this.Ê The European method won't work.Ê The engine manufacturers insist on this or they won't approve their engines for any blend of biodiesel.Ê Ironically, the petro companies are against this because they don't want a stability test added for diesel fuel. The ASTM committee/NBB is also looking for better methods: GC replacement, flashpoint, cetane, and blend levels. NBB is working with the following engine manufacturers to approve (at least B20) biodiesel use: Case, GM, Chrysler, Cummins, Deere Mark and I talked to Steve Howell and he would love to have help on the ASTM committee.Ê He said that it's best if the people are very technically knowledgeable because the engine manufacturers send their best technical people and they will rip you apart.Ê The next meeting is going to be in Tampa Florida in December, I think, and we need have some people go. I also told Steve Howell, that we would like to make the data we are collecting for DMS as quantitative as possible so it means something to the engine manufacturers, CARB, etc.Ê He mentioned meeting with the engine manufacturers, which I'm not sure I want to do, but he's also willing to help.Ê I'd like to follow up with him and get more ideas.Ê He says that the engine manufacturers hate anecdotal (one of the rare words I don't know how to spell!) data. Federal Biodiesel Incentive $1/gallon tax credit for soy biodiesel, $.50/gallon for waste Currently in senate version of transportation bill, but likely the bill won't
Re: [biofuel] License
Biodiesel production was first invented in 1859, so there are no existing patents on the overall process. It is in the public domain. Some processors, such as the continuous processors are patented, but you are not likely to use one of them. Some techniques are copyrighted, such as Aleks Kac's Foolproof method. He can be approached for a license, but is often generous for small producers and does not charge. Generally, there is no license required for small producers, backyard producers, and even startup business in any but the larger scales. Tom Leue In a message dated 7/8/04 3:09:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good afternoon all. I was wondering if anyone could tell me weather it is required to have a license to manufacture Biodiesel for sale or not, and how/where could such a license be obtained? Thanks, guys! - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] USDA finds ethanol's positive net energy balance has increased by 33%
In a message dated 6/16/04 8:24:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bio-Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- posted by [EMAIL PROTECTED] USDA finds ethanol's positive net energy balance has increased by 33% The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) now says ethanol from corn production yields a whopping 67% more energy than it takes to produce, up from 34% in its previously updated study on the subject.Ê USDA Economist Hosein Shapouri presented the agency's latest findings at a corn conference in Indiana... Read More: http://www.soyatech.com/bluebook/news/viewarticle.ldml?a=20040616-5 - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Is biodiesel fuel according to MA General Law?
Mark: The Massachusetts definition of a fuel follows the federal definition. That says that any hydrocarbon used for engine use is a fuel, and is subject to at least the taxation regulations. Grease is certainly a fuel in this definition. The only transportation energy that does not invoke the road taxation is electric vehicles, although it looks as if hydrogen will also be tax exempt. Tom Leue In a message dated 5/29/04 2:44:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Saturday 29 May 2004 02:31 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Biodiesel exhibits a boiling point rather than a distillation curve. The fatty acids chains in the raw oils and fats from which biodiesel is produced are mainly comprised of straight chain hydrocarbons with 16 to 18 carbons that have similar boiling temperatures. So if raw grease has a boiling point similar to biodiesel, and at least 10% can be distilled when the grease is heated to 347 Farenheight, then if it is sold it is a taxable fuel in the state. I'm trying to understand the laws around fuel tax. The atmospheric boiling point of biodiesel generally ranges from 330 to 357¡C, thus the speci- fication value of 360¡C is not problematic. This specification was incorporated as an added precaution to ensure the fuel has not been adulterated with high boiling contaminants. At first look, it does not appear to violate this definition. I do not have a copy of D1160, but could get one if its important. Thanks for the inquiry, I'm glad to see these fine points.Ê Tom Leue In a message dated 5/29/04 12:47:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom, I'm sure you've been over this stuff with a fine tooth comb.Ê This is the section of the Massachusetts General Law (Chapter 64A: Section 1 Definitions) that defines what fuel is.Ê [1] Does biodiesel pass the distillation requirement below? (d) Fuel'' shall mean all products commonly or commercially known or sold as gasoline (including casing-head and absorption or natural gasoline) regardless of their classification or uses; and any liquid prepared, advertised, offered for sale, or sold for use as or commonly and commercially used as a fuel in internal combustion engines, which when subjected to distillation in accordance with the standard method of test for distillation of gasoline, naphtha, kerosene and similar petroleum products (American Society for Testing Materials Designation D--86) show not less than ten per cent distilled (recovered) below 347¡ Fahrenheit (175¡ Centigrade) and not less than ninety-five per cent distilled (recovered) below 464¡ Fahrenheit (240¡ Centigrade); provided, that the term fuel'' shall not include industrial solvents or naphthas which distill, by American Society for Testing Materials Method D--86, not more than nine per cent at 176¡ Fahrenheit, and which have a distillation range of 150¡ Fahrenheit, or less, or liquefied gases which would not exist as liquids at a temperature of 60¡ Fahrenheit and a pressure of 14.7 pounds per square inch absolute. For the purposes of this chapter, fuel'' shall include products sold or used as fuel for aircraft, except aircraft fuel as defined in section one of chapter sixty-four J. [1] http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/64A-1.htm - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Is biodiesel fuel according to MA General Law?
Hi Mark, No, I had not seen this regulation. Biodiesel must meet the same distillation test in the ASTM standard as reduced pressure distillation for other diesel fuels.Ê This test is somewhat problematic for biodiesel, and is under discussion for elimination under the ASTM test. This would not change MA law.Ê Here is what the ASTM D-6751 says about this: D 1160 Test Method for Distillation of Petroleum Products at Reduced Pressure X1.14 Reduced Pressure Distillation X1.14.1 Biodiesel exhibits a boiling point rather than a distillation curve. The fatty acids chains in the raw oils and fats from which biodiesel is produced are mainly comprised of straight chain hydrocarbons with 16 to 18 carbons that have similar boiling temperatures. The atmospheric boiling point of biodiesel generally ranges from 330 to 357¡C, thus the speci- fication value of 360¡C is not problematic. This specification was incorporated as an added precaution to ensure the fuel has not been adulterated with high boiling contaminants. At first look, it does not appear to violate this definition. I do not have a copy of D1160, but could get one if its important. Thanks for the inquiry, I'm glad to see these fine points.Ê Tom Leue In a message dated 5/29/04 12:47:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom, I'm sure you've been over this stuff with a fine tooth comb.Ê This is the section of the Massachusetts General Law (Chapter 64A: Section 1 Definitions) that defines what fuel is.Ê [1]Ê Does biodiesel pass the distillation requirement below? (d) Fuel'' shall mean all products commonly or commercially known or sold as gasoline (including casing-head and absorption or natural gasoline) regardless of their classification or uses; and any liquid prepared, advertised, offered for sale, or sold for use as or commonly and commercially used as a fuel in internal combustion engines, which when subjected to distillation in accordance with the standard method of test for distillation of gasoline, naphtha, kerosene and similar petroleum products (American Society for Testing Materials Designation D--86) show not less than ten per cent distilled (recovered) below 347¡ Fahrenheit (175¡ Centigrade) and not less than ninety-five per cent distilled (recovered) below 464¡ Fahrenheit (240¡ Centigrade); provided, that the term fuel'' shall not include industrial solvents or naphthas which distill, by American Society for Testing Materials Method D--86, not more than nine per cent at 176¡ Fahrenheit, and which have a distillation range of 150¡ Fahrenheit, or less, or liquefied gases which would not exist as liquids at a temperature of 60¡ Fahrenheit and a pressure of 14.7 pounds per square inch absolute. For the purposes of this chapter, fuel'' shall include products sold or used as fuel for aircraft, except aircraft fuel as defined in section one of chapter sixty-four J. [1] http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/64A-1.htm - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WARNING: Conical Bottom Tank Fittings...
A couple of additional points: You can get a complete draining bulkhead fitting from various suppliers, such as Dultmeier Sales, www.dultmier.com for as low as $18. These do not keep a flat bottom tank from essentially completely draining. Also, standard bulkhead fitting use EPDM gaskets, possibly neoprene, and both of these dissolve in biodiesel. Use a viton equivalent gasket, available at better plumbing supply houses everywhere. Tom Leue In a message dated 5/22/04 9:46:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If anyone feels the need to work with plastic, conical-bottomed tanks, please be advised that the government issue bulkhead fittings that come with these tanks create a small dam that prevents complete drainage. If you are buying this style tank for the purpose of complete drainage, you will need to special order the tank with a spun weld drain. This is a threaded nipple that is spun weld into the bottom of tank at the factory and runs flush with the inside, eliminating the dam effect of a standard bulkhead fitting. Generally this fitting option runs $40 - $60 extra, presuming the distributor is able to meet your request. Snyder Tank has no problem accepting custom orders. Catalogue companies such as US Plastic, et al,Ê may have some difficulty in accommodating such need. Todd Swearingen - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel Powered Chainsaw
In case anyone wondered if this was possible, I finally started operating my biodiesel powered chainsaw today. Runs well. This is all part of my grease economy plan, a goal of replacing all types of fossil fueled equipment with renewable energy based alternatives. I'm on my way, but it will take a year or two more to replace every mower, string trimmer, rototiller, etc. Its not a matter of technology, as it is a matter of money. The chainsaw is a Stanley hydraulic chainsaw that has two 50' hoses from the live hydraulic circuit off of the biodiesel powered tractor. Its pretty good, the 50' tether is so far not a problem, I don't want to cut stuff that I have to carry farther than that from the tractor. Its quiet, doesn't vibrate, has plenty of power, but is not heavy. It doesn't blow exhaust back in my face, but there is a vague smell of lunch in the air. Still have to do a couple of cords to determine if it is an unbridled success. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 100,000 miles on SVO?
Ed- I think I should step gingerly here, I know you promote WVO conversion systems. However, I refer to Shaine Tyson, late of the National Renewable Energy Laboratory who gave a talk in Connecticut last year, stating that in all of the national research, only one truck was found that had lasted 150,000 miles on SVO. How does this square with your list? Are you starting out with dozens of examples, or is it a short list? Something funny happen over 100,000 and under 150,000, or is this technology particularly hard on direct injection engines? We want to know the real value of this technology. Are the rumors about the horrors of TDI conversions true? Why, what goes wrong? Tom Leue In a message dated 5/11/04 2:10:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I often get asked how many engines, specifically modern direct injection engines, I know of, that have gone more than the magic number (for some reason) of 100,000 miles (yes, miles, not kilometers, please...so, let's say over 160,000 km) I know I could spend hours scouring the databases, such as they exist, translating from German sites, etc. etc...but if anyone needs a good research project for academic work, this is one!! Or, if you just want to send me notice of examples of such that you are aware of, please do! Please exclude old Mercedes.I know there are lots of those that have gone that far...I am looking for TDI's, modern trucks, equivalent hours on gensets or tractors (let's see...1600 hours at 100 km/hok, let's say over 1600 hours),Ê etc. I'll compile these as they come in, unless someone out there can set up a self-admin database for us, which would be a heck of a lot easier, and more accessible for all The SVO 100,000 Mile Club Database.anyone up for doing that? We can host it on our server space if need be, I think. Spread the word? Help get it going? Thank you! Edward Beggs - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA to Finalize Diesel Pollution Rules Tuesday
What's wrong with this story? The oxides of nitrogen don't actually come from the fuel, there is no nitrogen in standard diesel fuel to speak of. The NOx are created in the combustion of the fuel, so it is the chore of the engine manufacturer, not the fuel maker to control NOx. Fuel refiners will have a hard time controlling NOx, no matter how clever they are. But, in total, this is excellent news. The EPA estimate is that this action alone will save 12,000 lives a year !! by the time all of the old equipment is replaced with new technology. Don't hold your breath for that to happen, some of these machines will last 50 years from now, still belching black smoke. It is biodiesel that can make the difference here, reducing black smokers by more than 50% in particulate matter and unburned hydrocarbons. I have run a few experiments that reduced soot levels by up to 80% when 80% biodiesel was added to the tank, in just 2 hours! The registry ran the final test twice since they couldn't believe a truck could be that much improved in a single day. Even better, the latest University of California study showed a 93% reduction in carcinogens (nPAH's) when biodiesel was used, instead of regular fuel. Tom Leue In a message dated 5/10/04 9:13:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=585e=1; u=/nm/20040510/sc_nm/environment_diesel_dc 2 hours, 18 minutes agoÊ Add Science - Reuters to My Yahoo! By Chris Baltimore WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration will finalize rules on Tuesday to cut air pollution from tractors, bulldozers and other off-road diesel vehicles by over 90 percent, the Environmental Protection Agency (news - web sites) said on Monday. Fuel refiners will be required to produce diesel fuel by 2012 that is 99 percent free of smog-causing nitrogen oxides under the new rules, which the EPA proposed a year ago. Also, Cummins Inc., Caterpillar Inc. and others will have to sell engines starting in 2008 that strip out more harmful particles in emissions linked to asthma and other serious respiratory ailments. EPA Administrator Mike Leavitt briefed President Bush (news - web sites) on the rules on Monday and said the agency will finalize the rules on Tuesday. Leavitt likened the rules to the government's decision in the 1970s to remove lead from gasoline. This is a big deal, Leavitt told reporters at the White House. This kind of thing only happens once or twice every 25 years. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Community Supported Biodiesel
My company, Homestead Inc. and CoopPlus of Western Massachusetts are launching a community biodiesel production system this summer in Western Massachusetts. This is a 500,000 gallon per year biorefinery, based 100% of the collection and conversion of local community waste grease resources (WVO), and intending to produce the ASTM certified fuel, EPA registered, for the local diesel users. I, as the entrepreneur, have been producing biodiesel for the past 6 years, 3 years commercially, until last fall. Since then I have been full time engaged in the development of a comprehensive business plan and engineering design for this small scale commercial operation. In case you are wondering, the capital, interest, operating costs and startup funds come to $1.7 million.I hope to get going very, very soon, but this plan is not only my process, and involves an energy cooperative with 1400 members, and must be done by the usual drawn out administrative actions. I hope to be actually under comprehensive development by October of this year, and have the first production for testing purposes by this time next year. The largest hurdle of a realistic business plan is the marketing of the product. Biodiesel is not a fully tested market, and is still growing nationally by 40% per year (DOE estimate). However, bankers do not want to look at optimistic projections, but demonstrable proofs about guaranteed cash flow. Towards this end I have been working on several standard processes for undeniable methods of selling this modest amount of product. Perhaps its is time to look at some more innovative methods of selling biodiesel. I wonder if there is potential for a fuel supply process that is roughly parallel to Community Supported Agriculture (CSA). Would people spend money in advance to be guaranteed a year's supply of biodiesel, appropriately manufactured and delivered, and in return provide a guaranteed cash flow? It would be a simple matter to calculate a reasonable price for the fuel, and the delivery issue would be a combination of trucking, storage containers, pump systems, training and handholding. My belief is that this concept may become more valuable when people suddenly come to realize that it is the end of cheap oil. I'm sure others have commented on this in the past, but searching the records is not my strong suit. Anyone believe this would not be a successful business model? Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Filtering
Yes, filtering is a big topic. You can't really filter the raw oil, unless you heat it. Initial process needs no real filtering at all, just straining. Use a cleanable 200 to 400 mesh screen, and that will be enough for a good reaction. The separation after the reaction removes most of the particulate matter in the glycerine layer, and the biodiesel layer will be water clear. After that, a final filtering is required, whether or not you do washing. Many manufacturers of older engines, tractor engines, and others, require only to 10 micron fuel. New engines have higher pressure injectors, and require higher filtering. I recommend the pleated polyester filters, 9-1/2 long, that fit in standard water filter housings. These filters can be washed and resused several times. A good separation reduces the filter requirements. And, watch out for a batch of glop that will foul the filters real fast. Good luck! Tom Leue In a message dated 4/23/04 12:44:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After straining WVO to remove any food particles, when would most of the filtering of the processed biodiesel take place?Ê Before washing or after washing?Ê What size micron filter should I start with and what size do I take it down to? Thanks.Ê Jonathan. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder
Sodium methoxide powder is available from Degussa AG 379 Interpace Parkway PO Box 677 Parsippany, NJ 07054 www.finechemicals.de These folks were pushing this product at the National Biodiesel Board conference held Feb 1-4, 2004. I talked with them a while, and they say it is cost effective since one requires a lot less of the chemical, about 1/4 as much. I'm not sure I understood the reasons, something to do with the lack of water that is a significant contaminant in the homemade methoxide. Water is the byproduct of the dissolution of lye in methanol to make a new chemical: sodium methoxide, and water is the enemy of a good biodiesel reaction. I haven't had the pleasure of working with this chemical. Its less flammable and dangerous than that site made stuff. That site stuff can be rather dangerous, you know. It is also available from Kodak and some other chemical supply houses, but this Degussa is promoting it especially for biodiesel. They have a fancy booklet on this, dated January 2004, so they believe it will be adopted by some big biodiesel producers, and is apparently a main part of several processors in Europe. Tom Leue In a message dated 4/7/04 9:00:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Methoxide usually comes premixed with methanol, either 25% or 30%. Ethan -Original Message- From:Ê Ê Appal Energy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Ê Ê Wednesday, April 07, 2004 12:57 AM To:Ê Ê biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject:Ê Ê Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder Papers that refer to a dry sodium methoxide being used for transesterifications? Found a sodium methoxide / sodium methylate MSDS sheet as well. http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m2028.htm But I'd tend to believe that alcohol would still need to be added to achieve your reaction due to the low molar mass of the methyl- fraction. I suppose that it might give another option were there a drought of KOH or NaOH, or maybe even some other benefits as yet unknown. Might be worth toying with. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder Papers such as Canaki's refer to a sodium methoxide catalyst apart from the sodium hydroxide in methanol mixture. I came across a MSDS of sodium methoxide in powder form. Could this be the same methoxide they are referring to in the papers? Thanks, chris =-Original Message- =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 1:37 AM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = =Methoxide powder? = =Methoxide is a solution of methanol and catalyst. To create a powder you'd =have to remove the methanol (meth-), which puts you right back where you =began with the dry catalyst (-oxide). = =And then what? = = Todd Swearingen = =- Original Message - =From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:04 AM =Subject: RE: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder = = = Todd: = = Have you ever tried using methoxide powder? How does is perform? = = Thanks, = chris = = =-Original Message- = =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:56 AM = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Subject: Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage = = = = = =Yup. Couple of weeks or so at least in an airtight container. = = = =It'll last as long as any other stock solution. = = = =It's also a good way to prepare for a series of tests, one =concentrated = =solution that can be diluted with alcohol to the desired molarity. = = = =Todd Swearingen = = = =- Original Message - = =From: lovemydiesel2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:32 AM = =Subject: [biofuel] Methoxide Storage = = = = = = Here is a question that I have not seen posted. Can the methoxide, = = once mixed, be stored for any length of time? As in can I make up = = several batches and have it sitting waiting to be used or is it = = necessary to use as you go? = = = = Thanks - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] details of Biodiesel Equipment Intensive, Santa Cruz, April 10 and 11
Wonderful work. Would the manual be available for those of us that live somewhat out of town and can't make it to the workshop? Tom Leue In a message dated 3/26/04 4:47:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are hosting an intensive biodiesel equipment building class/workparty in April in Santa Cruz, California, aiming to make homebrew systems for several people by the end of the two-day class/workparty. Additionally, there'll be a showing of some biodiesel documentaries and a barbeque potluck on the first night, for those coming in from out of town. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] WVO Based Biodiesel and NOx emissions
Twice I have seen references for studies that demonstrate that Waste Vegetable Oil (WVO) based biodiesel (recycled yellow grease) lowers the emissions of NOX significantly below virgin soy based biodiesel. This is important because the NOx levels are the only emission parameter that is not significantly to profoundly lowered compared to conventional diesel fuel in the EPA official values for the environmental characteristics of biodiesel. In turn, this is due to there only having been one set of samples analyzed for the emissions from biodiesel, submitted by the National Biodiesel Board under the Tier 1 testing requirements of the 40 CFR 79 regulations. The funding for these test samples came mostly from the Soy Council, so, naturally the tests were done on soy oil. All of the biodiesel produced in this country is now certified for public use based on these original soy oil tests, even biodiesel made from other sources, such as tallow, lard or WVO. But there are some profound chemical differences between these compounds, even between new soy oil and used soy oil. If one looks at the chemical bonds in the ester chains of the oil, the number of double carbon=carbon bonds is reduced to nearly zero in used oil, the oil relaxes after it has been heated and used. This in turn changes the chemical makeup of biodiesel made from either of these oils. Biodiesel from virgin soy oil has an increase in NOx emissions. These emissions are precursors of smog and acid rain, and also cause lung irritation. Virgin soy based biodiesel may increase NOx by 2% to 6%, depending on the engine. This can be corrected by readjusting the timing of the engine, and the newest technologies from VW do this automatically. But the increase is not acceptable to some government and institutional agencies even though the total smog production potential is substantially reduced overall. California (and several other states by inclusion in legal interties) now bans new diesel cars because of the NOx issue. They also will not endorse biodiesel, even though it does a lot of good for air quality, because of this documented increase in NOx. The studies I am seeking documentation on show that the increase of NOx on WVO based biodiesel is almost nonexistent, or at most 1 to 2%. This is a 3 to 4 fold reduction in the production of this pollutant, compared to soy based biodiesel. Any information would be helpful. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Smart car Diesel coming to Canada
Wonderful news. This will allow the Smart Car to run on Canadian biodiesel production, which is in advanced development. I'm chagrined to be ignorant of the units that they use to measure fuel efficiency. Please tell, what is the symbol 1/100 mean in metric units, and its conversion to mpg? Tom Leue In a message dated 3/21/04 10:45:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fall 2004. Sedan and Cabriolet. Only the turbodiesel will be imported! http://www.thesmart.ca/index.cfm Maybe if we all start asking/lobbying now, we can get a clear answer from Mercedes on biodiesel use...and hopefully it will the right answer! - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Chernobyl Tour
In case anyone wants to know why some of us believe that biofuels are the best available alternative, you might want to see this virtual tour of Chernobyl as it appears now. http://vincent.vanscherpenseel.nl/chernobyl/page2.html Tom Forwarded from a message dated 3/15/04 8:46:39 AM, from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Connecticut versus Biodiesel
x-charset ISO-8859-1Update: I get it from a good authority that this bill is dead for this year. Let's keep it that way. CT users/makers, Jim Burke et al, are you out there? Tom In a message dated 3/12/04 12:20:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not about tax revenues, or at least certainly not solely about tax revenues. Otherwise there wouldn't be a dictate for a 1,000% increase in testing, nor would there be demands to meet spec for distillate fuel oils. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: amrqq [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Connecticut versus Biodiesel The Con. politicians want their tax money. A.M. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Below is the text of a bill filed in Connecticut that will apparently stifle the development of biodiesel through the regulation of any production of the fuel or any biodiesel mixes that could be sold or used in the state. This is similar, but far worse than the misguided approach of the regulators in California. For motivations unknown, these people are planning to ban the sale of anything more concentrated than B20, and even that may be illegal. The problem is that any blend of diesel and biodiesel must meet the specification for diesel, which is not possible at higher concentrations of biodiesel. This shows up in the viscosity and aromatics areas, and possibly others. The details are buried in obscure California codes, and I haven't found them all out yet. Please note that homebrewers would be illegal under this regulations unless they had approximately $850 of testing on every batch they produce. If a single quart of this fuel is produced, even for one's own use, it would be illegal unless official testing was submitted to the government, certified by corporate officers, on a monthly basis. This bill has been filed and will soon be enacted. It will stop any biodiesel work in the state. STATE OF CONNECTICUT AN ACT CONCERNING THE REGULATION OF BIODIESEL FUEL. Connecticut Seal Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Assembly convened Effective October 1, 2004 (a) As used in this section, biodiesel fuel means a diesel fuel substitute that is produced from nonpetroleum renewable resources and blended fuel means a blend of biodiesel fuel and diesel fuel. (b) No person shall sell or offer for sale biodiesel fuel unless such fuel meets the following requirements: (1) The sulfur content standards for diesel fuel set forth in title 13 of the California Code of Regulations, section 2281; (2) The aromatic hydrocarbon content of diesel fuel set forth in title 13 of the California Code of Regulations, section 2282; (3) The requirements of the alternative fuel transportation program set forth in 10 CFR, Part 490; and (4) The specifications established by the American Society for Testing and Materials standard D6751, the Standard Specification for Biodiesel Fuel. (c) No person shall sell or offer for sale blended fuel unless such fuel meets the following requirements: (1) The biodiesel fuel portion of the blended fuel meets the requirements set forth in subsection (b) of this section; (2) The blended fuel meets the specifications established by the American Society for Testing and Materials standard D975, the Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils; and (3) The blended fuel does not have a sulfur content of more than five hundred parts per million. (d) Not later than the fifteenth day of each month, any person who produces biodiesel fuel or blended fuel in this state or produces biodiesel fuel or blended fuel for sale in this state shall provide to the Commissioner of Environmental Protection, on a form prescribed by the commissioner, the following information, by batch: (1) For blended fuel, the percentage of biodiesel fuel within the blend; (2) The volume of the biodiesel fuel or blended fuel; (3) For biodiesel fuel or the biodiesel fuel portion of the blended fuel, the results of the analysis for the parameters established by the American Society for Testing and Materials standard D6751, the Standard Specification for Biodiesel Fuel; and (4) For blended fuel, the results of the analysis of the diesel fuel portion of the blended fuel for the following parameters, as established by the American Society for Testing and Materials standard D975, the Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils: (A) Sulfur content; (B) Aromatic hydrocarbon content; (C) Cetane number; (D) Specific gravity; (E) American Petroleum Institute Gravity; and (F) The temperatures at which ten per cent, fifty per cent and
[biofuel] Connecticut versus Biodiesel
Below is the text of a bill filed in Connecticut that will apparently stifle the development of biodiesel through the regulation of any production of the fuel or any biodiesel mixes that could be sold or used in the state. This is similar, but far worse than the misguided approach of the regulators in California. For motivations unknown, these people are planning to ban the sale of anything more concentrated than B20, and even that may be illegal. The problem is that any blend of diesel and biodiesel must meet the specification for diesel, which is not possible at higher concentrations of biodiesel. This shows up in the viscosity and aromatics areas, and possibly others. The details are buried in obscure California codes, and I haven't found them all out yet. Please note that homebrewers would be illegal under this regulations unless they had approximately $850 of testing on every batch they produce. If a single quart of this fuel is produced, even for one's own use, it would be illegal unless official testing was submitted to the government, certified by corporate officers, on a monthly basis. This bill has been filed and will soon be enacted. It will stop any biodiesel work in the state. STATE OF CONNECTICUT AN ACT CONCERNING THE REGULATION OF BIODIESEL FUEL. Connecticut Seal Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Assembly convened Effective October 1, 2004 (a) As used in this section, biodiesel fuel means a diesel fuel substitute that is produced from nonpetroleum renewable resources and blended fuel means a blend of biodiesel fuel and diesel fuel. (b) No person shall sell or offer for sale biodiesel fuel unless such fuel meets the following requirements: (1) The sulfur content standards for diesel fuel set forth in title 13 of the California Code of Regulations, section 2281; (2) The aromatic hydrocarbon content of diesel fuel set forth in title 13 of the California Code of Regulations, section 2282; (3) The requirements of the alternative fuel transportation program set forth in 10 CFR, Part 490; and (4) The specifications established by the American Society for Testing and Materials standard D6751, the Standard Specification for Biodiesel Fuel. (c) No person shall sell or offer for sale blended fuel unless such fuel meets the following requirements: (1) The biodiesel fuel portion of the blended fuel meets the requirements set forth in subsection (b) of this section; (2) The blended fuel meets the specifications established by the American Society for Testing and Materials standard D975, the Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils; and (3) The blended fuel does not have a sulfur content of more than five hundred parts per million. (d) Not later than the fifteenth day of each month, any person who produces biodiesel fuel or blended fuel in this state or produces biodiesel fuel or blended fuel for sale in this state shall provide to the Commissioner of Environmental Protection, on a form prescribed by the commissioner, the following information, by batch: (1) For blended fuel, the percentage of biodiesel fuel within the blend; (2) The volume of the biodiesel fuel or blended fuel; (3) For biodiesel fuel or the biodiesel fuel portion of the blended fuel, the results of the analysis for the parameters established by the American Society for Testing and Materials standard D6751, the Standard Specification for Biodiesel Fuel; and (4) For blended fuel, the results of the analysis of the diesel fuel portion of the blended fuel for the following parameters, as established by the American Society for Testing and Materials standard D975, the Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils: (A) Sulfur content; (B) Aromatic hydrocarbon content; (C) Cetane number; (D) Specific gravity; (E) American Petroleum Institute Gravity; and (F) The temperatures at which ten per cent, fifty per cent and ninety per cent of the diesel fuel boiled off during distillation. (e) The information contained in the form submitted pursuant to subsection (d) of this section shall be attested to as true by a corporate officer who is responsible for operations at the production facility. (f) Any person who sells or offers for sale blended fuel shall label dispensers at which the blended fuel is dispensed in such a manner to notify other persons of the percentage of biodiesel fuel in such blended fuel, by volume. This act shall take effect as follows: Section 1 October 1, 2004 Statement of Purpose: To provide standards for the regulation of biodiesel fuel and biodiesel fuel that is blended with diesel fuel. Proposed deletions are enclosed in brackets. Proposed additions are indicated by underline, except that when the entire text of a bill or resolution or a section of a bill or resolution is new, it is not underlined. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message
Re: [biofuel] Connecticut versus Biodiesel
x-charset ISO-8859-1Minor update, the bill has been proposed, but not yet filed. Still time to derail this effort. In a message dated 3/11/04 1:44:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Below is the text of a bill filed in Connecticut that will apparently stifle the development of biodiesel through the regulation of any production of the fuel or any biodiesel mixes that could be sold or used in the state. This is similar, but far worse than the misguided approach of the regulators in California. For motivations unknown, these people are planning to ban the sale of anything more concentrated than B20, and even that may be illegal. The problem is that any blend of diesel and biodiesel must meet the specification for diesel, which is not possible at higher concentrations of biodiesel. This shows up in the viscosity and aromatics areas, and possibly others. The details are buried in obscure California codes, and I haven't found them all out yet. Please note that homebrewers would be illegal under this regulations unless they had approximately $850 of testing on every batch they produce. If a single quart of this fuel is produced, even for one's own use, it would be illegal unless official testing was submitted to the government, certified by corporate officers, on a monthly basis. This bill has been filed and will soon be enacted. It will stop any biodiesel work in the state. STATE OF CONNECTICUT AN ACT CONCERNING THE REGULATION OF BIODIESEL FUEL. Connecticut Seal Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Assembly convened Effective October 1, 2004 (a) As used in this section, biodiesel fuel means a diesel fuel substitute that is produced from nonpetroleum renewable resources and blended fuel means a blend of biodiesel fuel and diesel fuel. (b) No person shall sell or offer for sale biodiesel fuel unless such fuel meets the following requirements: (1) The sulfur content standards for diesel fuel set forth in title 13 of the California Code of Regulations, section 2281; (2) The aromatic hydrocarbon content of diesel fuel set forth in title 13 of the California Code of Regulations, section 2282; (3) The requirements of the alternative fuel transportation program set forth in 10 CFR, Part 490; and (4) The specifications established by the American Society for Testing and Materials standard D6751, the Standard Specification for Biodiesel Fuel. (c) No person shall sell or offer for sale blended fuel unless such fuel meets the following requirements: (1) The biodiesel fuel portion of the blended fuel meets the requirements set forth in subsection (b) of this section; (2) The blended fuel meets the specifications established by the American Society for Testing and Materials standard D975, the Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils; and (3) The blended fuel does not have a sulfur content of more than five hundred parts per million. (d) Not later than the fifteenth day of each month, any person who produces biodiesel fuel or blended fuel in this state or produces biodiesel fuel or blended fuel for sale in this state shall provide to the Commissioner of Environmental Protection, on a form prescribed by the commissioner, the following information, by batch: (1) For blended fuel, the percentage of biodiesel fuel within the blend; (2) The volume of the biodiesel fuel or blended fuel; (3) For biodiesel fuel or the biodiesel fuel portion of the blended fuel, the results of the analysis for the parameters established by the American Society for Testing and Materials standard D6751, the Standard Specification for Biodiesel Fuel; and (4) For blended fuel, the results of the analysis of the diesel fuel portion of the blended fuel for the following parameters, as established by the American Society for Testing and Materials standard D975, the Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils: (A) Sulfur content; (B) Aromatic hydrocarbon content; (C) Cetane number; (D) Specific gravity; (E) American Petroleum Institute Gravity; and (F) The temperatures at which ten per cent, fifty per cent and ninety per cent of the diesel fuel boiled off during distillation. (e) The information contained in the form submitted pursuant to subsection (d) of this section shall be attested to as true by a corporate officer who is responsible for operations at the production facility. (f) Any person who sells or offers for sale blended fuel shall label dispensers at which the blended fuel is dispensed in such a manner to notify other persons of the percentage of biodiesel fuel in such blended fuel, by volume. This act shall take effect as follows: Section 1 October 1, 2004 Statement of Purpose: To provide standards for the regulation of biodiesel fuel and biodiesel fuel that is blended with diesel fuel. Proposed deletions are enclosed in brackets. Proposed additions are indicated by
Re: [biofuel] Josh Tickell speaking in Amherst, MA, USA
I think commercial scale is more efficient than small scale. My research certainly demonstrates that. I also believe the quality will be better. Certainly the commercial scale plant I have designed is way more profitable than the earlier version. Tom In a message dated 3/9/04 9:12:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Tom, I look forward to meeting you. On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Homebrew is necessary if there are not good, and reasonably priced local B100. But commercial biodiesel is a better option, and my plans should prove that anyone can do this on a larger scale, for a better product, and make a living on it. Glad to share some of the plans, if anyone is interested. I'm curious why you think commercial biodiesel is better, given that it costs more, usually comes from virgin oil instead of WVO, and keeps the user removed from the source of their fuel. I would value a product that I made in my back yard over a product made even 1/2 hour away if they were comparable in quality (and i'm hearing from this list that you can make biodiesel as good as commercial stuff). I would be interested in checking out your plans. I'm still working to set up a processor, and i'm trying to incorporate some of the large scale bd production mechanisms into a small scale process, in terms of safety mechanisms, material handling, etc. cheers, aaron - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Josh Tickell speaking in Amherst, MA, USA
x-charset ISO-8859-1Thanks for the notice, I am planning to go as it is. I like Josh, and always take the time to wish him well. As for homebrew, I guess I'm a precautionary tale. I now am developing a commercial scale processor, 100 times the size of the previous, and that is where my faith lies. Homebrew is necessary if there are not good, and reasonably priced local B100. But commercial biodiesel is a better option, and my plans should prove that anyone can do this on a larger scale, for a better product, and make a living on it. Glad to share some of the plans, if anyone is interested. Tom In a message dated 3/8/04 11:06:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just thought you all might want to know that Josh Tickell is speaking at Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts on Tuesday, March 9. (tomorrow). I am looking at this as an opportunity to ask him about the plans (thoroughly discussed on this list as less-than-safe) that he published for a bd processor. I'm curious about how he sees his work in the larger context of the homebrew movement. Most of what he talks and writes about is buying bd because of social and environmental reasons.The work that I'm trying to do with biodiesel is so much more difficult because of the local perception that biodiesel production is unsafe, especially after Tom Leue's accident with a similar processor. (Tom: I may be making assumptions about your processor, and I apologize [and correct me] if I am incorrect.) There's been a bunch said on this list about Tickell, and if you're in the area and curious about his work, check out the archives and come to his presentation tomorrow. It should be interesting. Josh Tickell 7:30 pm Main Lecture Hall in Franklin Patterson Hall Hampshire College Amherst, MA - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Energy Balance
x-charset ISO-8859-1Hello Lyle, I've ben working on this issue for a while. Here are my conclusions. From the references given below, we have a methodology for calculating the Energy Return on Energy Invested (ERoEI, although some folks have other acronyms) for soy biodiesel. The generally agreed number is 3.2, that is, the fuel yields 3.2 times the amount of energy used to make it. These are the inputs: Energy Input Process Stage MegaJoules/t MBTU/gal Production of rapeseed oil 57% 16356 51.7 Tranportation 3% 5111.6 Esterification 35% 5706 18.0 Plant construction maintenance 1% 1620.5 Storage 1% 2140.7 Distribution 3% 4981.6 Totals 100% 23447 74.1 For WVO biodiesel, we get to eliminate at least the first item, production. Using the other energy inputs, this yields an ERoEI of 5.26, which is my working number at this time. If one were to collect the WVO with a biodiesel operated truck, and use biofuels for the operation of the processing plant, distribution, etc, this number could be somewhat higher. This is the web site for the short version: http://www.afdc.doe.gov/pdfs/3812.pdf This is the web site for the lengthy version: http://www.ott.doe.gov/biofuels/lifecycle_pdf.html Shaine Tyson of the NREL writes The life cycle analysis for yellow grease is based on the soy life cycle analysis.Once the oil is produced and hydrogenated for cooking, it will be prorated based on the price of hydrogenated soybean oil and the price of yellow grease.That means all the energy inputs used to produce hydrogenated soybean oil will be divided into two parts and only the part associated with yellow grease value will be used to determine the energy balance of yellow grease.To that we will add the collection, transportation, filtering and drying, and esterification, biodiesel transportation, and yellow grease emissions.The energy balance for yellow grease biodiesel will probably be better than that for soy biodiesel, not less. Hope this helps. Tom In a message dated 3/9/04 5:17:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear list, My understanding is that biodiesel claims an energy balance of around 3:1, which I understand to mean that for every btu going into its creation, it returns 3 btus. If this is correct, what is the energy balance of fuel made from WVO? Surely I can charge the energy necessary for growing, harvesting, crushing and delivering to the french fry, can't I? And my final question is that of going off grid.At present I use both electricity and propane in my production process.If I replaced them with a biodeisel generator and some solar thermal, what would that do to my energy balance? Is there a quick way to calculate answers to such questions? Thanks in advance. Lyle Estill V.P., Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] Biodiesel Development Grants
Here is a current grant program that might be useful for a biodiesel development project. My one track mind recently. 1. http://www.science.doe.gov/production/grants/fr04-01.html Continuation of Solicitation for the Office of Science Financial Assistance Program - Notice DE-FG01-04ER04-01 It is anticipated that approximately $400 million will be available for grant and cooperative agreement awards in Fiscal Year 2004. Purpose: Develop new concepts and improve existing methods for solar energy conversion and other major energy research needs identified in the 2003 B asic Energy Sciences Advisory Committee workshop report, Basic Research Needs to Assure a Secure Energy Future. Energy Biosciences: The objective of this program is to generate an understanding of fundamental biological mechanisms in plants and microorganisms. The emphasis is on understanding biological processes that will be the foundation for technology developments related to DOE's mission to achieve environmentally responsible production and conversion of renewable resources for fuels, chemicals, and other energy-enriched products. This program has special requirements for the submission of preapplications, when to submit, and the length of the applications. Applicants are encouraged to contact the program regarding these requirements. Program Contact: Phone - (301) 903-2873 E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.science.doe.gov/bes/eb/ebhome.html - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re:[biofuel] Methanol Hazards - provocative mail
x-charset ISO-8859-1I've been trying to set up this experiment, which has not been done to date by anyone I know of. My experience is that it takes about a month of driving to get the engine noise back to full blast after using any portion of biodiesel. So if you do this, maximize the original conditions and record the engine noise at the front and sides at a set distance with a decibel meter. Then add some biodiesel, B20 or B100 as you wish, run those 10 km and do the exact same measurements again. I've got the meter if you want to borrow it. let us all know the results! Tom In a message dated 3/6/04 1:06:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, bought my first biodiesel today in Unionville, Ontario. Ran my truck for a bit and in less than 10 kilometers the engine quieted down and seems much smoother.Subjective I know, but I think that I'll record some decibel readings at various speeds and then retry it with straight diesel.I've gotta get into production. Hope this helps Regards Paul Marks - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Glycerol Disposal
x-charset ISO-8859-1The quick answer is no. Glycerin is a very viscous liquid, and the solidification point varies with the soap in it, the residual alcohol, and the completeness of the reaction. It is sometimes solid at 65 degrees F. What's more, it is dirty until it is at least partially refined. If there is no methanol recovery, it will have a volatile component and a refractive component. Glycerin flash point is over 800 degrees, and a waste oil burner will burn the volatile part, but not the refractive part, which will quickly gum up the works. If glycerin is burned without enough air it may form a poisonous acroline compound. If you look at the structure of a glycerin molecule you will see three carbon-oxygen double bonds, which are hard to break and take a lot of energy input. Carbon-oxygen double bonds are effectively carbon monoxide, meaning that the molecule is effectively partially burned already, and has a relatively low heat value per pound. A good glycerin burner handles a semi solid well, or preheats until it is a liquid. It has a fire starter of some other fuel, hopefully biodiesel or WVO, to get it up to temperature so the glycerin will burn. Then it has enough insulation to maintain this temperature, or at least has minimal heat withdrawal so the fire is not extinguished. It also has adequate air for clean combustion. I had to build this system because no standard burner does these things well. It is a masonry heater with a babington burner for a fire starter, burning WVO, and a secondary fuel feed for the glycerin. There are no visible emissions, and I hope that indicates a clean burn. Tom Leue In a message dated 2/16/04 1:30:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 02/16/2004 11:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Burning glycerine If I understand this correctly, I can take the by product from the biodiesel. That nasty looking stuff from the bottom of the processor and burn it in my waste oil burner with no problem.I have a factory bought waste oil heater that I burn all the crankcase oil from the trucks that I work on.Is this a correct statement? Rick M Brownstown, Mi. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Copper reactor vessel
x-charset ISO-8859-1Copper is a catalyst for oxidation of biodiesel, causing a green oxidation of the metal and an oxidation of the fuel. Probably not your best bet. Mild steel is safer, stainless is good. In a message dated 2/7/04 12:43:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I'm building my own biodiesel processor and I want to use a copper immersion heater vessel to mix the used oil and methoxide. I'm going to use Aleks Kac's two stage method. The vessel is already cone shaped and has the heater already installed so it seems perfect for the job. My worry is that it may corrode very quickly.Has anybody any experience of using copper vessels for the reactor? Is it possible to have the copper vessel galvanised and if so would the galvanised vessel be subject to rapid corrosion also? I knew I'd regret dropping out of chemistry class!!! Dermot - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] NBB Royalty Rate
Here are some calculations that show that the NBB royalty charge will soon pay the NBB back their entire investment they made for the Health Effects data. Their charge structure requires a bond for nonmembers to use this data, plus royalty fees. The bond of $100,000 is to be held until the year 2015 to assure they will recoup their investment or they will take the balance out of the bond. The number below show they will have no basis for holding this bond. This means that the nonmember option may be more attractive with only a royalty payment, if the bond requirement is eliminated through an arbitration process. Note that the nonmember royalty fee is 125% of the royalty fee for members. 2003 National Production 60,000,000 to 80,000,000 (from NBB website, lets use the smaller number) Producers, estimated 12 (actual number known, anyone?) Avg. Volume per producer 500 Royalty per Producer $65,000 (from chart, below) Total Royalties Collected $780,000 NBB Health Effects cost $2,200,000 (their stated outlay) years to payback2.82 Add to this 7% interest on the outlay since May, 2001, and you can see that the royalties collected through the end of 2004 or possibly mid-2005 will have satisfied their investment in the Health Effects Data. Therefore, they do not have a financial stake in protecting their data at this point, other than mere profit and operating income. This is important for a proposed mediation to get them to lower their charges for the use of this data. This also demonstrates to me that the nonmember option may be far more attractive financially than the membership with its higher fees. Production Levels Royalty Payments Min Max Min Max 0 100 $5,000 $10,000 100 500 $7,500 $30,000 500 1000 $25,000 $25,000 1000 1500 $12,500 $12,500 1500 over$15,000 BIODIESEL BOARD NONMEMBER PAYMENT AGREEMENT FOR ACCESS TO HEALTH EFFECTS DATA Definitions: 1. gBiodieselh means the Mono alkyl esters of long-chain fatty acids that are derived from animal fats or vegetable oils and that meet the specifications of D-6751 or any legal successor. 2. gNBBh means the National Biodiesel Board. 3. gEPAh means the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. 4. gManufacturerh means the ___ Co., which is required to register its Biodiesel with the EPA under the Clean Air Act. 5. gMemberh means an entity represented on NBB by a voting Director. 6. gNonmemberh means an entity not represented on the National Biodiesel Board. 7. gHealth Effects Datah means information submitted by NBB to support the registration of Biodiesel with the EPA, demonstrating Biodieselfs satisfaction of EPA requirements for both Tier 1 and Tier 2 Health Effects testing pursuant to 40 CFR Part 79. 8. gAccessh means NBBfs letter to EPA stating that, pursuant to 40 CFR 79.56(c), NBB grants permission for Manufacturer to make use of all Tier I and Tier 2 testing data which NBB has previously submitted to EPA, and affirming that appropriate arrangements for reimbursement of testing costs have been made. Recitals: 1. Manufacturer is required to register its Biodiesel with the EPA pursuant to Clean Air Act regulations found at 40 CFR Part 79. 2. Such registration of Biodiesel requires the submission of Biodiesel Health Effects Data to the EPA. 3. To satisfy this requirement, Manufacturer may rely upon data submitted by another party, if that party is reimbursed for an appropriate portion of the costs it incurred to obtain and report such data. 40 CFR 79.56(c). 4. NBB has obtained and submitted to EPA all Health Effects Data required for Biodiesel satisfaction of both Tier 1 and Tier 2 testing requirements, at a cost of approximately $2,200,000. 5. Manufacturer desires access to the Health Effects Data submitted to EPA by NBB. 6. Manufacturer is aware that it is NBB policy to provide access to Members at no charge as a benefit of membership. 7. Manufacturer is not a Member of or an Applicant for membership in the National Biodiesel Board. Agreement: NBB and Manufacturer therefore agree as follows: 1. In consideration for access to Health Effects Data, Manufacturer will pay to NBB the following: a. Lump-sum: $100,000, receipt of which is hereby acknowledged. b. Also quarterly payments: From the date access is granted until May 25, 2015, a per-gallon amount on each gallon of biodiesel sold by Manufacturer equal to 125% of the amount of per-gallon dues paid to NBB by Marketer/Processor Members. For these purposes, all terms shall be construed as they are
Re: [biofuel] Re: A bit on business
x-charset ISO-8859-1Oops, I'm bad. I just reviewed and you're correct. But why did I pay them all that money? Tom In a message dated 1/28/04 7:27:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom, you're definitely reading it wrong, and you've been corrected on this at infopop by Ken Provost. It's 'per quarter', which makes it 1600 gallons per year.. Mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got to correct one error that has been repeated several times on this list. The IRS exemption is for a total of 400 gallons per year, not 400 per quarter. It makes quite a difference. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] Plastic PVC biodiesel
Please clarify, if possible: rumor says that PVC pipe is incompatible with biodiesel. After 4+ years of operation, I saw no deterioration in the methoxide line that had PVC with solvent welded joints. The threaded joints did weep methoxide, and had to be replaced, but the straight sections were OK. Questions- does PVC work less well with WVO, biodiesel or methoxide? Would Schedule 80 PVC fail to serve? In building our new refinery, PVC would be far cheaper and more flexible than iron piping. I couldn't see this at http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#plastics Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A bit on business
x-charset ISO-8859-1I'll take a stab at these. It varies by state, but around here heating fuel is not taxed. If you sell the fuel this way, its untaxed. I was selling it as a degreaser, and I paid 5% sales tax on it as for any other product. Marine fuels are taxed, I believe, but I live a long way from the ocean. The EPA officials I have spoken with told me they are not at all concerned with biodiesel makers who do it for themselves. Their concern is only for Selling or Bartering biodiesel for On-Road use. You can run it along the margin of the road, you can run it in the field, you can give it away, you can use it in any boat, jet, or tractor, but don't dare trade with your brother fuel for the use of his truck. The IRS document 26 CFR Parts 40, 42, 48, and 602 [TD 8659] RIN 1545-AR92 Gasoline and Diesel Fuel Excise Tax; Registration Requirements says The dye Solvent Red 164 (and no other dye) at a concentration spectrally equivalent to at least 3.9 pounds of the solid dye standard Solvent Red 26 per thousand barrels of diesel fuel As for ASTM, the laboratory does not have to be licensed, as far as I can determine, and private labs are OK. However, the tests are difficult and expensive to perform. For example, the cetane test requires a special motor whose sole purpose is for cetane tests. I used a nationally recognized laboratory (Williams) because I didn't want the EPA questioning the results. But a very well equipped university lab may be able to do this too. Keep in touch, Paul. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/27/04 9:20:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One more for the night... :) I've heard things from time to time about legal this and not legal that.I tried searching the archives for some hard data but was overwhelmed with my search results.Anybody have any hard data on:( I live in Vermont if that makes any difference)Which of these are national EPA issues and which are state issues? 1.Taxes...I heard I can sell biodiesel for any off road use (marine as well !!??) and not have to collect sales tax on it.. correct? 2.For personal consumption I don't need any sort of license to produce it... correct? 3.To sell biodiesel, I dont need a license if it's for off road use (needs to be dyed red still though.. yes? - dye with what?)..correct? 4.The ASTM standards need to be met to be a commercial producer.OK. Can anybody certify then (doubtful) or does it have to be a government body of some sort?From what I've read, it seems like big companies can set up their own labs and certify their fuels as they need to, so if I had cash to spend I could buy the testing equipment and do it myself technically ...Correct? - Paul Man of a thousand questions cause I drank to much coffee tonight Schmidt - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Re: A bit on business
x-charset ISO-8859-1Got to correct one error that has been repeated several times on this list. The IRS exemption is for a total of 400 gallons per year, not 400 per quarter. It makes quite a difference. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/28/04 1:33:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Paul B.Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more for the night... :) I've heard things from time to time about legal this and not legal that.I tried searching the archives for some hard data but was overwhelmed with my search results.Anybody have any hard data on:( I live in Vermont if that makes any difference)Which of these are national EPA issues and which are state issues? 1.Taxes...I heard I can sell biodiesel for any off road use (marine as well !!??) and not have to collect sales tax on it.. correct? Not quite correct. You can sell biodiesel for offroad use without registering as a fuel or fuel additives producer with the EPA (which is the process that is now dominated by the NBB). I believe you still need to follow state and federal tax laws. Sales tax is generally something different than 'excise tax' on things such as fuels. 2.For personal consumption I don't need any sort of license to produce it... correct? You need to follow local and federal environmental regulations, which may include: secondary containment (ie something to keep the stuff out of the ground if you have a spill), limitations on the quantities of ingredients and total chemicals (including vegoil and biodiesel) which you have stored on site, having MSDS avaiilable, etc. HOWEVER! most fire marshalls and other local authorities would probably be quite upset if you were making biodiesel, and real-world experience has shown that local authorities' interpretation of the hazards of what youare doing are VERY variable. AND- while these rules are a good idea to follow for your own and others' safety, most peopel just do not let any of their authorities know that they are making small quantities of biodiesel. The IRS does not collect federal excise tax on the first 1600 gallons per year of fuel that you make at home, which makes the majority of us exempt from this federal fuel tax. State authorities however might collect state excise tax on this fuel, or they might not, depending on the state. In California they are all set up to recieve your money (Board of Equalization is the state tax authority in CA) 3.To sell biodiesel, I dont need a license if it's for off road use (needs to be dyed red still though.. yes? - dye with what?).. correct? To sell anything you probably need some sort of license (like business license). However you do not need to register as a producer of fuels or fuel additives with the EPA if you are selling for offroad use. As far as I know, there is no standardization for red dyes and biodiesel yet, as some of the yellow-grease-based fuel is a cranberry red color in it's natural state. 4.The ASTM standards need to be met to be a commercial producer. OK. as in, it's part of registering with the EPA. Then there is no further enforcement of quality as per all the stuff Keith's message just quoted. and there's lots of evidence that there have been a few commercial producers creating offspec fuel and selling it. Can anybody certify then (doubtful) or does it have to be a government body of some sort? I believe it's a laboratory such as Magellan-Midstream/Williams Laboratories in Kansas City (the cheapest lab I've found, the tests run about $500 for the whole round and $89 for 'total and free glycerol' which is the specification most likely to be 'off'). There is no government body who oversees this part of the testing. From what I've read, it seems like big companies can set up their own labs and certify their fuels as they need to, so if I had cash to spend I could buy the testing equipment and do it myself technically ...Correct? Producers run in-house testing for their own 'in-house' feedback on their quality control, but for EPA registration I belive it's usually done through an outside lab. Someone shoud call the NBB for fun and see what their stance on the quality control within their industry is. Ask them how they enforce that the sample submitted for EPA resgistration is actually a representative sample of what the producer will be selling. Ask them how much they ensure that the fuel that their members will sell is actually ASTM D-6751 compliant. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL
Re: [biofuel] NBB fee structure discriminates against small producers
x-charset ISO-8859-1I think there is a precedent for this. Its hard to get the data, but a couple of years ago I had some information that some NBB members had one membership for production centers in more than one location. Can't prove that now, but I'll ask when I go to the NBB conference next week. What I suggest is a membership organization whereby the organization is the member with subsidiary organizations (producers) that each have documentation that they produce ASTM fuel. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/26/04 11:43:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: $5000 for 52,000 gallon/year comes to almost 10 cents per gallon fee which is outrageous. What if several small producers (in the same region/geographic area) banded together and paid the $5000 fee once?It's still outrageous to me to have any money going to the NBB, but at least it would be more feasible. Jennifer - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] minor correction to NBB fee structure post
x-charset ISO-8859-1Mark, I didn't see the original post, where was it? But notice that there is an NBB minimum of $5000 per year for the royalty fee. This means that a small producer of, say, 100,000 gallons per year would pay five times the amount, 5per gallon. Guess what a producer of only 10,000 gallons a year pays? See you Saturday afternoon, I hope. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/26/04 3:52:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OOPS! It got pointed out to me that I put a dollar sign in the wrong place in the NBB fee structure post, though I think it was fairly obvious what the real numbers should have been. Everywhere I said something like: .01 cents per gallon produced (one hundredth of a cent) it actually should have said $.01 (ie one cent, not a fraction of a cent) Mark - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Request
x-charset ISO-8859-1There is a national effort to get the EPA to change the listing of biodiesel from an atypical fuel to a non-baseline fuel. This obscure change would allow any biodiesel producer who demonstrated they are meeting the ASTM standard to register with the EPA without first joining the National Biodiesel Board and paying their high rates. I hope others will join in this effort to get their legislators to pressure or entreat the EPA to make this modest change, as they said they would and then reneged. This effort will be discussed this next Sunday at Claremont College near Los Angeles, at the People's Biodiesel Conference that I will be attending along with Girl mark and many others. More details to follow, but I've got to run to supper. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/23/04 7:26:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would also like to learn more about the EPA guidelines for becoming a Biodiesel producer.From what I have read already, these guidelines seem to be heavily stacked against a small business owner.What can be done to get elected people aware of changes which need to be addressed in the law(s). I'm interested in making the best product possible.It seems to me that big government is getting the way of small business. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] west texas wind+turbines
x-charset ISO-8859-1I'm being provocative again. Is the otherwise interesting topic of wind energy appropriate on a biofuels mailing list? If so, will this list also cover hydroelectric power, geothermal power, wave energy, etc.? I just dropped the energyresources Yahoo group because of the unrelenting number of posts was too much to handle for long. It may be good data in its own way, but does it belong here? Tom Leue In a message dated 1/22/04 3:34:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The wind rarely stops blowing out here for very long.We now have some large turbine farms streching from near abilene west to iraan-rankin and other areas.We could put up a million of them out here without counting new mexico,arizona or california.They even make our small mountains more scenic to me![you can see plum into next week out here and there are areas where you may not even see a plane fly over for several days]I believe that Tesla found ways to store and transfer electricity that were deemed too usefull for little peopleby the dragon system[it will be a real beast soon]Florida Power and Light put up most of west texas's wind turbines,i believe. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] west texas wind+turbines
Thank you for clarifying the list purpose. I had just joined from the biofuel-biz list, as that list was ending, and had not completely understood the much wider scope of this list. It was a question, afterall, not a complaint. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Vegoil viscosity
There is no single reference for this because there are no standards per se. Soy may have one viscosity at a particular temperature, but is not part of a standard. When it is partially or fully hydrogenated, this viscosity changes a lot. Other types of oils, hydrogenated or not, have their own particular viscosities, but these are not spec'ed. Even with biodiesel, the viscosity standard under the ASTM D-6751 standard is such a wide range that it has the only footnote in the standard, stating that the higher end of the range exceeds most engine manufacturer's requirements. This does not mean that viscosity does not matter, and I have been pushing using viscosity as the simplest measure of the completion of the biodiesel reaction, suitable for appropriate feedback for quality control purposes. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/23/04 3:35:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a reference anywhere that lists the kinematic viscosity of vegetable oil? AP - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Need epoxy coated(food grade) steel drum for Bio-D processor??
x-charset ISO-8859-1Biodiesel and WVO do not corrode bare steel. However, WVO may have a large percentage of water that will settle to the bottom of the drum, and to a limited extent will cause rusting. This is limited by the lack of large amounts of air since it will be sealed off by the oil layer, but over time can lead to rusting. If you have clean oil or biodiesel, it will not appreciably rust. And, hey, the price is right. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/21/04 1:21:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Today I was at the local hazardous waste recycling center and noticed that there were many 55 gal. steel drums free for the asking.I told the guy what I was planning on doing with it and he said that for biodiesel I would need an epoxy coated drum, like a food grade drum or eith HDPE in order to avoid the risk of oxidation since these drums have bare metal walls.Is he right, or does he not know enough about bio?Thanks! J.D. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] biodiesel teaching projects in high school????
I recommend this web site for an example. Leonardo - Teaching Chemistry by Vegetable oil c http://koal.cop.fi/leonardo/leonardo.htm - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] End of US Biodiesel Research Program
The top researcher from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, Dr. Shaine Tyson, reports that the entire biodiesel research program has been terminated by the Bush administration. The staff for this research program has been notified of termination or transfer. Dr Tyson writes: DOE has canceled all biodiesel related research at this time.Ê I will be permanently laid off April 1, if not sooner.Ê I am also in the process of canceling contracts either before we award them or canceling them and pulling the money back to fund other salaries.Ê ...snip... In preparation for leaving NREL, my management has blessed all of our job hunting activities.Ê So I'll be lining up biodiesel consulting work under my own shingle to commence after April 1.Ê If you ever find yourself in need of my services, let me know.Ê My new contact info is below.Ê NREL has approved of us using our NREL phone and email until then to discuss new business if I can develop any, so don't hesitate to call if you need me. K. Shaine Tyson Biodiesel Feasibility and Consulting, Ltd. 3142 C.R. 115 Glenwood Springs, COÊ 81601 Phone:Ê 970-945-9148 - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] ERoEI for grease based biodiesel
The question has been raised as to the value of making biodiesel from waste vegetable oil resources in terms of the net energy gain. I had posted on this topic a few days ago, but feel a more considered study was in order. This research is based on the following published study: RESOURCES RESEARCH UNIT SCHOOL OF ENVIRONMENT AND DEVELOPMENT SHEFFIELD HALLAM UNIVERSITY EVALUATION OF THE COMPARATIVE ENERGY, GLOBAL WARMING AND SOCIO-ECONOMIC COSTS AND BENEFITS OF BIODIESEL Final Report for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Contract Reference No. CSA 5982/NF0422 Report No. 20/1 by N. D. Mortimer, P. Cormack, M. A. Elsayed and R. E. Horne January 2003 available from: http://www.defra.gov.uk/farm/acu/research/reports/nf0422.pdf This study goes through all stages of developing biodiesel, energy inputs and environmental benefits. The study does not specifically address waste resource utilization, but can be used as a methodology guide. For yellow grease (waste) based biodiesel, one should ignore the energy cost of fertilizer, cultivation, harvest, drying, solvent extraction and product distribution. The energy inputs that are appropriate are for waste oil collection, esterification, storage, plant construction, maintenance and biodiesel distribution. Using these values, one can calculate an Energy Return on Energy Investment (ERoEI) of 5.26 times. This number would be significantly higher if transportation and heating costs were also based on biodiesel fuel. I also believe the values given for esterification are too high, and when adjusted will further increase the ERoEI. However, as a working number, this gives a steady value that is conservatively realistic. Compare this number with the equivalent liquid fuel of low sulfur diesel fuel with an ERoEI of 0.82 or an ultra low sulfur fuel value of 0.79. There are also equivalent benefits in terms of CO2 greenhouse gas emissions and toxicity, etc. This information should be used when decisions about project development are made. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Embodied energy in biodiesel
My US Congress representative has stated that he recommends against using an existing federal grant for alternative energy development in Western Massachusetts for biodiesel development because he says it takes more energy (or nearly the same energy) to collect and convert biodiesel than it yields when it is used. This representative is a scientist, but I am lacking detailed energy studies that prove anything else. I have referred to the NBB website and the University of Iowa studies that talk about the embodied energy in biodiesel, where gains of approximately 3.2 times the energy investment when the biodiesel is used. However, there is no corresponding study for yellow grease based biodiesel! My preliminary study shows there is an approximately 7 fold energy gain for waste based biodiesel, but this is not a formal calculation. Does anyone know the methodology used for the other studies on ethanol, soy biodiesel, or other fluids, so it can be transferred to yellow grease biodiesel? I hope everyone realizes how important this would be to the development of a new, regional based refinery. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Energy value for biodiesel
This is in response to John Olver's statement that the NREL grant currently in place for CoopPlus should not be used for any development of waste vegetable oil conversion to biodiesel. I believe Mr. Olver has his data very wrong. He may be referring to studies that show that ethanol production takes as much as or more fossil fuel than it replaces. It is a different situation with biodiesel. The National Biodiesel Board, the University of Iowa, and several other groups have studied the embodied energy of biodiesel. The current calculations show that if crops are grown to produce soy oil, and that is subsequently made into biodiesel, the energy return on the investment is 3.2 times. With the proposed yellow grease as a base for biodiesel production, the raw material is already a waste product, a significant portion of which is diverted from going to the landfills. The proposed biodiesel refinery would be the only market to turn the liability for waste generators that costs them an average of $700 for current disposal services to a resource proposing to pay them approximately $200 for this same grease. Although some current uses may be made for the yellow grease, such as in pet food and cosmetics, the use as a transportation fuel may be the highest and best use for this region of the country. The conversion of yellow grease to biodiesel takes some energy inputs, such as for collection, cleaning, methanol use, drying, filtering, etc. Most of these inputs were outlined in the Home Power article of June, 2002. The total energy inputs per 1000 gallons of fuel output can be converted to an energy equivalent of approximately 124 gallons of fuel, much of which may not actually be fossil based. But even as a fossil fuel input, that yields an 8 fold return on the production. I believe this is far superior to any other form of liquid fuel production, i.e., ethanol, gasoline, diesel, etc. I hope someone here will help Mr. Olver realize that the local production of biodiesel is a major step forward in terms of environmental quality, energy self-sufficiency, global impact, national energy policy, public health, balance of trade, or any other basis for evaluating this project. We in Western Massachusetts need this fuel, the optimum time for this is now, and we are the best qualified local group to do this project. I hope that the government can change its policies to stop hindering the development of biodiesel. Mr. Olver could be a central figure in understanding and assisting this effort if he will take the time to become fully informed. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Biofuel Grant
Here we go again. Anyone up for a grant? http://www.fedgrants.gov/Applicants/DOE/PAM/HQ/DE-PS36-04GO94002/listing.html - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd:Ê I called the EPA today
A good summary of the situation, but the conclusions are at variance with the prevailing wisdom up to this point. I had understood from Keith Addison and others that they would accept biodiesel as a non-baseline fuel. Apparently we were wrong. I offer the communication of May, 2002 from Dr. Tyson of the NREL, below on this topic that tries another approach: Dear Tom: I spoke with Joe Sopata at EPA again today and we dug down into this issue some more. I have a correction or two and some more information. 1) If you sell your fuel to off-road use only, you don't need to register as a fuel producer with the EPA at all. No nada. Make sure you dye it red. 2). If you do sell your fuel for on-road use (and would like to continue) then it appears that firms that qualify for the small business exemption, under Atypical Diesel Fuels, may be covered by the US DOE for their Tier I requirements (Atypical fuel producers with less than $10 in sales are exempt from Tier II). The EPA and I still need to work through just how much of the Tier I requirement was met by previous DOE submissions, but I would think that most of it may be covered. It will take us some time to be sure or to identify missing parts. So this is kind of theoretical at this time. On March 17, 1998, Craig Chase, a contractor working for the US DOE, submitted Tier I data to the EPA. The Tier I testing, performed by Caterpillar Inc. was conducted with funding provided by the DOE. Caterpillar Inc. may have cost-shared some portion of that work. I need to look into that. DOE also published other related health effects data in various places (oral toxicity, demaltoxicity, biodegradation, mutagenicity, toxicity of semi-volatile particles) which could be referenced in a literature review that a small business firm could pull together and submit. In theory, since the Tier I testing requirements have been met and submitted to the EPA by DOE, any firm could use that data (not just a small business firm), prepare a literature review, and submit it to the EPA in lieu of actually performing Tier I testing. That doesn't exempt big companies from Tier II. That is my theory. Joe Sopata likes the idea and agreed to work with us to explore it further. Joe was also interested in hearing that all the Tier I and Tier II data submitted by NBB was performed with public dollars. The check-off dollars that farmers collect (that is a private tax) somehow are collected and handled by USDA and become public in the process. Now, I'm fuzzy and probably misinformed about some of the aspects of this issue, but Joe said that if NBB's cost recovery claims were challenged on this basis, and if it was true that check off dollars where public, then NBB would probably not be entitled to cost recovery. I'll call USDA next week and ask someone about this issue. Have a nice weekend. Dr. K. Shaine Tyson Renewable Diesel Project Mgr National Renewable Energy Laboratory 1617 Cole Blvd, MS 1614 Golden, CO 80401-3393 In a message dated 12/16/03 1:30:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I called Jim Caldwell at the EPA today to talk about the classification of biodiesel within the EPA registration process (ie whether it's classified as non-baseline or atypical), and to ask about the possible small business producer exemptions for Tier I/Tier II testing for EPA registration if it is classified as nonbaseline. He was very helpful and said that he gets a number of these calls and also that he had discussed the small producer issue with Joe Jobe of the NBB the previous week. Ê Ê The issue is this: onroad fuels are classified as baseline, non-baseline, or atypical by the EPA, and the EPA requires commercial producers to carry out various testing to prove health effects and emissions safety prior to being registered as a manufacturer of a fuel or fuel additive. Depending on the classification, there might be small business exemptions to some of the testing requirements. The cost of this testing or the alternative- joining the National Biodiesel Board for access to their EPA testing data, effectively bars smaller producers from being able to go into business making biodiesel for on-road use. Ê Ê This testing is very expensive- Tier I (literature review, and emissions testing) can cost up to $300,000 and Tier II (animal tests) can cost several million dollars. The National Biodiesel Board is the only entity that has carried out both of these rounds of testing as per the EPA requirements. Today, legally producing biodiesel for onroad use requires either spending several million dollars and several years to conduct a round of these tests, or joining the NBB for access to their data, (paying a $5,000 per year fee to the NBB, plus a production tax to the NBB for every gallon sold (or giving the NBB $100,000 as a non-member and hoping that they'll give it back
Re: Viscosity - was Re: [biofuels-biz] Fuel Quality Test for Small Producers
Todd, The biodiesel chilling test presumes that your feedstock remains the same or is similar from batch to batch. The cloud point of ASTM certified biodiesel varies greatly due to the feedstock. For instance, World Energy biodiesel from the Cincinnati plant, which contains much rendered animal fats, has a 10 degree higher cloud point or freeze point compared to Yellow Biodiesel which is based on only plant based oils (used to be). Then again, a batch of canola will yield a much lower cloud point for biodiesel than that made from partially hydrogenated soy. If we are basing our feedstock on yellow grease from dozens of changing sources, there is no way I can see as to how to predict the cloud point for a particular biodiesel. This brings up another point, BTW. In my business plan it is necessary to have a grease warehouse where large tanks allow equalization and stabilization of the feedstock. My current plan has 5 tanks, each 15' tall and containing 12,000 gallons each. This is the maximum allowed under NFPA Code 30 for indoor storage with minimal fire suppression requirements. Now, under this plan, one can get to know a typical oil's characteristics, something I was never able to do reliably, and predict its cold performance. This is another example of do as I say, not as I do. Tom Leue In a message dated 11/21/03 1:53:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Tom, Are you sure it was the viscometer that prodded you towards a nearly perfect sample or was it your methods? I would tend to believe that it was a number of indicators that you relied on to give you reason to be somewhat confident in submitting a sample for testing, that and great familiarity with what you are doing and what measure lends what result. There is one test that no one has mentioned that can lend to determining if a reaction has completed or not. (No. It's not the frog in a blender wash test.) It's the simple refrigeration of a sample. If the sample begins to cloud at a temp higher than what the ester should cloud at you can bank on there being a problem. We've seen different samples treated exactly in the same manner do exactly that when set on a cold floor overnite (~45*F). They were all from the same feedstock. But some were a higher ratio of oil/fat than others. Two of the eight showed no clouding and washed like a dream. Three had but 1/4 or less clouding at the bottom. They washed rather half-baked, forming more emulsion than they would have if complete. The remaining three showed several inches of cloudiness, which was to be expected, as the volume of the glycerin cocktail was a bit deficient. There wasn't even the first thought of washing these. Just another simple test, presuming the lady of the house doesn't mind the bottom shelf of her refrigerator being used for cloud point testing. Todd Swearingen - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Viscosity - was Re: [biofuels-biz] Fuel Quality Test for Small Producers
Keith, As always, I'm wonderfully impressed with your filing system for a summary on a topic. I agree that the viscometer test will not provide an absolute test for the completion of the esterification reaction, unless one runs a detailed calibration curve for a particular oil against results from a GC. And, also, a cheap viscometer will not produce results as good as a more sophisticated instrument. However, a relative measure of the quality of a batch process may still be the best method of obtaining feedback on an inherently variable process. Without some convenient, cheap feedback method, how is a small volume producer able to understand the effect of the reaction parameters? We have seen here on this listserve that it is not practical to have contracted analysis of every batch, nor to support an in-house laboratory. Do you suggest a better method of quality control? Note that the viscometer method, even with a cheap instrument, got me to within 8/100 of 1% of the required ASTM level of total glycerin for the one sample I had tested. If I had not been so cheap with the methanol, going from 18% used in my usual reaction to, say, 22%, the reaction might have gone to near completion. My goal is to help the small producer find a way to make an acceptable biodiesel. Can we find ways to guide people towards a better product, or will it be a series of roadblocks for everyone without nearly unlimited time and money? I suspect that those limited number of current commercial producers wish us to believe that few, if any, others can make quality biodiesel. I don't believe that myself. Tom Leue In a message dated 11/14/03 5:08:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Tom Nice to hear from you again. I hope you're fully recovered now after your accident. Randall, I've been producing biodiesel for the past 6 years, until recently. I have a scientific peer reviewed paper that shows an almost complete correlation between the quality (completeness) of the reaction and the viscosity. So, viscosity is the best indicator of the quality of the reaction. A cheap ($5.99) viscosity tester can be obtained from harbor freight). This is the best and most indicative test. A lot of people disagree with that. I presume you're talking of the paper by De Filippis et al? Transesterification Processes for Vegetable Oils: A Simple Control Method for Methyl Ester Content. You can find it here: http://www.veggiepower.org.uk/report1.htm For a start, they weren't using a cheap $5.99 Marsh funnel-type viscometer but a Hoeppler micro-viscometer, Haake's MicroVisco 2 - this thing: http://www.thermo.com/eThermo/CDA/Products/Product_Detail/1,1075,1 01067494-108-X-108-18451,00.html Not quite the same thing. And yes, it matters when you're trying to distinguish the very small differences in viscosity between glycerides and methyl ester accurately enough to be sure that your reaction has gone far enough towards completion to fall within the quality standards: Total glycerine (free glycerine and unconverted glycerides combined) - 0.240% by mass, max. (ASTM D-6751). A funnel viscometer (or a PET bottle and a straw) won't get you near that, maybe within 5%, not good enough. The almost in almost complete correlation is rather critical. This is what Mark (Girl Mark) said about viscosity tests as a quality measure: What this test won't tell you: Again, mono- and diglycerides foul it up. The viscosity of MG and DG are close enough to biodiesel that home-scale viscosity measurements can't detect them, and, again, in unwashed fuel the methanol gives us even more inaccuracies to worry about. I do not recommend this test unless you're a fuels lab. She said much the same thing about the other quality test popular with some people, specific gravity (density). We say much the same: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#visco Viscosity testing ... a useful comparative indicator of biodiesel quality. Unfortunately, and despite claims to the contrary, that's all it is -- a comparative indicator: this batch is better than that batch. Even at the laboratory or industrial level, viscosity testing alone cannot tell you if the process has gone far enough before reaching equilibrium -- in other words that there are not unacceptably high levels of harmful unreacted and partly reacted materials in your fuel... Aleks Kac said this in a message to the Biofuel list: I've seen bio with a SG 0.885 g/l (excellent) and have a kinematic viscosity of 10.5 cSt (horrible) but an acceptable cetane number of ~50! The De Filippis paper on viscosity testing was discussed at the Biodiesel list when it was first posted. Here's what Todd Swearingen said about it: Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:36:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Biodiesel] Quality testing Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If only curves and viscosity worked that way. They might get you ballpark,Ê
Re: [biofuels-biz] Fuel Quality Test for Small Producers
Randall, I've been producing biodiesel for the past 6 years, until recently. I have a scientific peer reviewed paper that shows an almost complete correlation between the quality (completeness) of the reaction and the viscosity. So, viscosity is the best indicator of the quality of the reaction. A cheap ($5.99) viscosity tester can be obtained from harbor freight). This is the best and most indicative test. Tom Leue In a message dated 11/11/03 9:07:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greetings, I would appreciate learning if there is a fairly simple and affordable Fuel Quality test system for the home producer of biodiesel. Randal Son Resist Convenience - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Fwd: [biofuel] Mixing times for complete reactions - was Re: Max capacity
Jim- This probably won't be a good idea. Nitrile impellers dissolve in biodiesel in just a few months, standing or in use. While brass is a catalyst for oxidation of biodiesel, yielding a green slime and degraded fuel. The safe impellers are cast iron, plastic or stainless steel. I'm not overly impressed with the agitation requirements, I've done hundreds of reactions with a 1/12 hp mixer. Recirculation pumps could be a good idea if it is also used as a tank fill or drain pump. Keep up the good work. Tom Leue In a message dated 7/26/03 6:14:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has any successfully used a smallÊ recirculating pump to mix during the reaction time?ÊÊ A 1/4 hp Grunfos with nitrile, brass or other impellers should work.Ê The amount of electricity used would be low.Ê TheÊ pump outletÊ would lead to a circular manifold at the bottom of the tank with a inlet manifold near the top of the tank, submerged in the oil. Jim Miller - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/sO0ANB/LIdGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Almost ASTM Fuel
Samai- The glycerine tests in the Aldrich (?) kits are as expensive as those from a laboratory, about $90 in each case, I think, and the kits do not give you the documentation required by the EPA. It might be a good screening test, though. In a message dated 7/27/03 9:47:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Tom, Why don't you try with the simple kit for rapid test of free and total glycerine ? I tried out the kit and the result was very good. Samai After saving up funds all year, I send a grab sample of Yellow Brand PREMIUM Biodiesel fuel to a testing laboratory in Kansas.ÊÊ The results are quite good, but not good enough. The deal is that according to rumor, if you can document your production is meeting the ASTM D6751 standards, the EPA --may-- let you register as a biodiesel producer for commercial purposes.ÊÊ I have been producing biodiesel for almost 6 years in Western Massachusetts, but was ordered to shut down fuel production in February, 2002 after I applied to the EPA as a biodiesel fuel producer. They threatened me with fines of up to $25,000 per day if I continued with commercial fuel production. Now I produce Yellow Brand Biodiesel Degreaser, made from 100% recycled-oil based biodiesel. My results were good, but not quite good enough. There are 14 parameters tested under the ASTM standard. I passed 13 of them. The last one was Total Glycerin: this is basically a measure of the completeness of the overall reaction, breaking down the oil into methylesters.ÊÊ The standard is no more than 0.25% total glycerine from unreacted oil. My results came back at 0.33% total glycerine. That is 7/1000 off of the standard. Everything else met the specifications. My question to throw out there is what should I do to improve the situation? I've been a little cheap with the methanol, trying to save money, so I'm thinking of just increasing the methanol in the reaction from 18% now to, say, 25%. Now that the vacuum distillation system is (usually) online, it shouldn't cost me a lot more.ÊÊ That extra methanol might drive the reaction a little further, but I'm not sure. The sample analysis cost about $900 per sample, so it will take some time to save that kind of money again. I don't want to miss it this next time, so any help would be welcome. I hope to see if the EPA would then allow me to register as the only independent biodiesel maker in the country. Stay tuned. Tom Leue [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Toner for Your Printer or Fax at LaserTonerSuperstore.com-Save 55%! We have your brand: HP, IBM, Canon, Xerox, Apple and many more for less! http://www.LaserTonerSuperstore.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/YmQqWC/qicGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Almost ASTM Fuel
After saving up funds all year, I send a grab sample of Yellow Brand PREMIUM Biodiesel fuel to a testing laboratory in Kansas. The results are quite good, but not good enough. The deal is that according to rumor, if you can document your production is meeting the ASTM D6751 standards, the EPA --may-- let you register as a biodiesel producer for commercial purposes. I have been producing biodiesel for almost 6 years in Western Massachusetts, but was ordered to shut down fuel production in February, 2002 after I applied to the EPA as a biodiesel fuel producer. They threatened me with fines of up to $25,000 per day if I continued with commercial fuel production. Now I produce Yellow Brand Biodiesel Degreaser, made from 100% recycled-oil based biodiesel. My results were good, but not quite good enough. There are 14 parameters tested under the ASTM standard. I passed 13 of them. The last one was Total Glycerin: this is basically a measure of the completeness of the overall reaction, breaking down the oil into methylesters. The standard is no more than 0.25% total glycerine from unreacted oil. My results came back at 0.33% total glycerine. That is 7/1000 off of the standard. Everything else met the specifications. My question to throw out there is what should I do to improve the situation? I've been a little cheap with the methanol, trying to save money, so I'm thinking of just increasing the methanol in the reaction from 18% now to, say, 25%. Now that the vacuum distillation system is (usually) online, it shouldn't cost me a lot more. That extra methanol might drive the reaction a little further, but I'm not sure. The sample analysis cost about $900 per sample, so it will take some time to save that kind of money again. I don't want to miss it this next time, so any help would be welcome. I hope to see if the EPA would then allow me to register as the only independent biodiesel maker in the country. Stay tuned. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Separation of water from WVO
Terry- Would the CaCl salt be added as a crystal, or as a brine? What proportions are needed? Where do you think the salt ends up?-in the aqueous layer, or in between? Have you made biodiesel from the resulting separated oil layer? Did the process change any from that made from unsalted oil? I, for one, would always be interested in equipment that promotes a process, so if you can post any pictures or drawings, it would be good. Does this process have any advantages over the old standby's of time and gravity? Keep up the good work, we are always interested in new perspectives. Tom Leue In a message dated 7/20/03 6:04:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello all, This subject is also posted on [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I thought I'd post it here too.Ê Any feedback would be appreciated.Ê This problem is something I noticed right away when I started reading into how biodiesel is made, and the pitfalls associated with the process (i.e. making soap instead of fuel.)Ê As a chemical engineer, I figured there had to be a way to separate the emulsified oil chemically.Ê Right now, I'm experimenting with separation of 80% soybean oil, 20% water (emulsified in a blender) using a CaCl salt solution at varying concentrations and temperatures.Ê CaCl, better known as driveway ice melting salt, is cheap and easy to come by even in Washington State where we don't get much ice.Ê I've already done some preliminary separations in jars, and it's AMAZING how fast you get separation.Ê CaCl is very low on the toxicity scale, and I'm hoping the minimum concentration and temperature will be low, saving both energy and time.Ê I would appreciate any feedback; I have a picture of the apparatus I'm using in case anyone is interested. Terry LohnesÊ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: biocides
Butylated hydroxyanisol and butylated hydroxytoluene, I think. Great stuff in kid's food, don't you think? Tom Leue In a message dated 6/22/03 10:58:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, what does BHA an BHT stand for? Andreas Ohnsorge Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê TilapiaÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê @AOL.comÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ To:Ê Ê Ê [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ cc:Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê 22.06.2003 17:50Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: biocidesÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Please respondÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê to biofuels-bizÊ Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Unlike standard petroleum fuels, the most effective biocides for biodiesel are antioxidants.ÊÊ This includes BHA, BHT and Citric Acid. These compounds will effectively delay oxidation, rancidity and degradation of the fuel by factors of 10x to 30x what unprotected oil may experience. You should know that the degradation occurs in the presence of water, either at the bottom, or in micro-suspension. So the best protection is to keep your fuel dry! However, in someone's tank, this is not always easy to control, so a fuel protector is sometimes useful. A combination of these chemicals are even more effective than any one alone. A custom mixture can be purchased from vendors, such as Kodak.ÊÊ Go to a Yahoo search to find other vendors.ÊÊ I know we don't want these chemicals in our breakfast cereal, but they work wonderfully well in stabilizing biodiesel or vegetable oil. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: biocides
Unlike standard petroleum fuels, the most effective biocides for biodiesel are antioxidants. This includes BHA, BHT and Citric Acid. These compounds will effectively delay oxidation, rancidity and degradation of the fuel by factors of 10x to 30x what unprotected oil may experience. You should know that the degradation occurs in the presence of water, either at the bottom, or in micro-suspension. So the best protection is to keep your fuel dry! However, in someone's tank, this is not always easy to control, so a fuel protector is sometimes useful. A combination of these chemicals are even more effective than any one alone. A custom mixture can be purchased from vendors, such as Kodak. Go to a Yahoo search to find other vendors. I know we don't want these chemicals in our breakfast cereal, but they work wonderfully well in stabilizing biodiesel or vegetable oil. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] waste oil burners bu rning glycerine,Ê ffa'sÊ
OK, its the least I can do. I'm amazed sometimes about how complicated this invention process can be. And how much money it takes. As of today, I am seemingly hours from light off, I think. You understand, I built one conversion system to turn a Beckett burner into a Babington burner. That system was kind of jury rigged, but I got at least 40 hours of burning time on it. Most of that time was without a chimney, just venting into my very well ventilated shop. Lots of people came by to see it and remark about how clean it was burning. I also ran the burner on used motor oil, but without a chimney, it was just too nasty. With vegetable oil, it was actually pleasant to stand around the open flame, about 3' long. No one got a headache from the vegetable oil combustion. I figured it was producing about 100,000 btu's, but that is subject to confirmation. Instead of out in the cold, I'm working on getting the second generation burner going in my basement. To do this, I had to install a used HB Smith boiler, convert it to hot water from steam, hook it up to my overly complicated piping system, then build a second generation conversion system. The new burner is a Carlin brand, just to show that the conversion process is independent of the brand of burner. This second generation needs to use all of the usable components of the existing burner, especially the pump, controls, motor, fan, etc. Its not a really complicated conversion, just needs a babington head, a few pieces of tubing and a few nuts and bolts. I still intend to write a manual sometime this winter, complete with exploded diagrams. etc. I just want to get the damn thing working and not have an exploded house in the process. As it turns out, the original conversion was just about right in terms of the technological details, just dumb luck. After many reiterations, I'm back there again. Perhaps that means the design is as simple as it can be, but no simpler. So, every business day, it seems, I need a few more parts from the supply houses (McMaster), and every day some other technical issue arises. And I'm still heating my house with wood. So this is a real possibility, but don't wait up for me, I may be awhile. As for the original burner, its directed into the new masonry byproduct burner. But, baby, its cold outside, and my system really isn't ready for full time operation up there. Its a plumbing extravaganza, and still needs a lot more connection, before its ready to do its job. In the ideal world, someone would want to buy into this invention, and forward me a few dollars so I could finish this thing. But no has offered, and I'm unemployed, except for this project. Things are proceeding slowly, but not for lack of effort. All I can say is stay tuned and see what develops. I'll be sure to let you know. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/25/03 5:58:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any chance you could give us some more details or a schematic? this sounds really interesting (though most of us wouldn't have access to a masonry stove just for our biodiesel operation) Mark At 12:04 PM 1/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: I've got a couple years experience with burning glycerin. I had to do it, I've got such a large accumulation of the stuff. I've tried it in a couple of wood boilers and in a babington burner. The stuff does burn, but it takes special conditions to keep it going. Basically, without being exact about the fine details, it takes about 1000 degrees of temperature to keep the stuff going. Below that temperature and you'll mostly just burn off the methanol component, leaving a heavy vegetable based tar residue.ÊÊ It tried it in a babington, but it does not burn above about a 25% mix with oil. In a wood boiler it burns on top of coals well, but when the wood fire dies out it just accumulates the glycerin without much reduction. My current burner has a babington burner running on vegetable oil into a masonry stove with a separate drip of glycerin onto a hot steel plate. It burns very cleanly and VERY hot. Absolutely no emissions visible. Now I have to find out what to do with over 100 btu's per hour. Tom Leue - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] waste oil burners bu rning glyc erine,Ê ffa'sÊ
David T. That's great, you are really progressing here. I've done some fuel combination work, but I've got a lot more to do this spring. The two Babington jets going together probably will work, but it sounds complicated to me. I have one waste oil based flame onto a sloping heavy metal drip plate, where the glycerin is dribbled. I'm supposed to use the hot water to run the vacuum extraction, but that's still in development. BTW, I'm told that heating the fuel to get rid of methanol may degrade it. Most people use the wash system to remove methanol. Most of the methanol is in the glycerin, anyway. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/26/03 4:00:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom, Mark, For comparison, my glyc. burner is a converted natural gas water heater from my brother's house.Ê It started with one Babington nozzle fashioned from a soup-spoon, with air supplied from a 12 volt tyre-inflating compressor. Enough ambient air is entrained by the atomizing jet to complete combustion, but it can blow back if the wind is in the wrong direction.Ê It now has an additional air blower to keep the flame front away from the nozzle.Ê It runs very well on biodiesel, less well on preheated SVO, and poorly on pre-heated glyc alone.Ê I tried mixing fuels in variable ratio using a tee-piece in the supply line, but adjustment was too critical.Ê Next version will have 2 Babington nozzles (probably teaspoons), one for biodiesel and one for preheated glyc.Ê The atomized spray jets will converge into the centre of the combustion tube.Ê In this way the fuel mix can be controlled more easily, and the temperature can be brought up to a steady high value before introducing the glyc. Heat is removed by a pumped water circuit and transferred to WVO heating and meth recovery stills.Ê With abundant heat, it should be possible to distill XS meth from biod as well as from glyc. There is then no dissolved meth in the washwater, which is otherwise a potential pollution hazard. David T. - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] waste oil burners burning glycerine, ffa's
Yes, heat use for heating the stored oil tanks, space heating, process heat, methanol recover, foot warmers, snow melting, bun warmers, and all that. its just a plumbing extravaganza and it takes a surprising lot of time and effort to get it all working. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/14/03 5:15:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hello tom, placing the drip plate on which you burn your glycerin in a small chamber made from castable refractory would insure a high temperature environment. these refactories can withstand 3000deg.as for the waste btu's could they not be directed thru a heat exchanger for biodiesel processing and methanol recovery?just a suggestion . Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊÊ regards,roger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hello Tom That's glycerine/FFA/catalyst you were working with? Or rather soap, not FFA. If you separate it: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycsep.html Separating glycerine/FFAs ... you're left with about 95%-pure glycerine (somewhat acidic), and FFAs, and the catalyst on the bottom. The glyc and FFAs won't mix, but either of them burns well, especially the FFAs, and I think the FFAs should be cleaner burning than SVO or WVO. I'll be doing more work soon on just how well they burn in what, how best to use them as fuels, but they do both burn. Another method people have experimented with is to mix the raw by-product, unseparated glyc/soaps/catalyst, with wood chips or sawdust, but this is where concerns over proper combustion arise. Top-down gasifier should do nicely though. I want to do some work on this soon too. Regards Keith I've got a couple years experience with burning glycerin. I had to do it, I've got such a large accumulation of the stuff. I've tried it in a couple of wood boilers and in a babington burner. The stuff does burn, but it takes special conditions to keep it going. Basically, without being exact about the fine details, it takes about 1000 degrees of temperature to keep the stuff going. Below that temperature and you'll mostly just burn off the methanol component, leaving a heavy vegetable based tar residue.ÊÊ It tried it in a babington, but it does not burn above about a 25% mix with oil. In a wood boiler it burns on top of coals well, but when the wood fire dies out it just accumulates the glycerin without much reduction. My current burner has a babington burner running on vegetable oil into a masonry stove with a separate drip of glycerin onto a hot steel plate. It burns very cleanly and VERY hot. Absolutely no emissions visible. Now I have to find out what to do with over 100 btu's per hour. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/11/03 3:59:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ê Ê I looked up a few of those commercial oil burners for use with WVO. Sounds pretty interesting, though pricey... something to try and find secondhand, maybe? Then I got an email from a farmer nearby, someone who grows oil crops, asking about biodiesel production for on-farm use, and about ways to reduce waste in the process, all the usual questions people have. We were talking about 'glycerin' and ways to deal with it besides disposal... Does anyone on this list have experience burning their glycerin for shop heat or process heat, using some kind of waste oil burner, either one of these commercial units or one of the homebuilt ones off of Journeytoforever? I know that burning glycerine can produce some toxic gases if not done properly. What is 'properly' in this case? some particular temperature, some particular combustion environment?Ê how does one know, using a Babington or a waste oil burner to burn glycerine byproduct, that it is safe to do so? Also I do the 'ffa recovery' process sometimes- purifying 'glycerine' with an acid to break down the soaps into salt and ffa, and producing a cleaner glycerine for degreaser use. Like everyone I know whose tried this, I've got a bit of ffa byproduct sitting around in my 'odd chemicals' collection now (I believe Ken Provost experimented with using that same ffa in soapmaking?). Todd Swearingen said something once about ffa being a potential fuel source for a Babington Burner, and has said somewhere that he thinks it could be a fuel in other situations. Anyone experimented with this, or any of you engineers out there have any ideas on how well it'll combust and under what conditions? (I don't have anything to try burning it in at the moment). Thanks, Mark Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an
Re: [biofuels-biz] waste oil burners bu rning glycerine, ffa'sÊ Re: [biofuel] Re: b iodiesel vs. propane for heating
I've got a couple years experience with burning glycerin. I had to do it, I've got such a large accumulation of the stuff. I've tried it in a couple of wood boilers and in a babington burner. The stuff does burn, but it takes special conditions to keep it going. Basically, without being exact about the fine details, it takes about 1000 degrees of temperature to keep the stuff going. Below that temperature and you'll mostly just burn off the methanol component, leaving a heavy vegetable based tar residue. It tried it in a babington, but it does not burn above about a 25% mix with oil. In a wood boiler it burns on top of coals well, but when the wood fire dies out it just accumulates the glycerin without much reduction. My current burner has a babington burner running on vegetable oil into a masonry stove with a separate drip of glycerin onto a hot steel plate. It burns very cleanly and VERY hot. Absolutely no emissions visible. Now I have to find out what to do with over 100 btu's per hour. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/11/03 3:59:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ÊÊ I looked up a few of those commercial oil burners for use with WVO. Sounds pretty interesting, though pricey... something to try and find secondhand, maybe? Then I got an email from a farmer nearby, someone who grows oil crops, asking about biodiesel production for on-farm use, and about ways to reduce waste in the process, all the usual questions people have. We were talking about 'glycerin' and ways to deal with it besides disposal... Does anyone on this list have experience burning their glycerin for shop heat or process heat, using some kind of waste oil burner, either one of these commercial units or one of the homebuilt ones off of Journeytoforever? I know that burning glycerine can produce some toxic gases if not done properly. What is 'properly' in this case? some particular temperature, some particular combustion environment?Ê how does one know, using a Babington or a waste oil burner to burn glycerine byproduct, that it is safe to do so? Also I do the 'ffa recovery' process sometimes- purifying 'glycerine' with an acid to break down the soaps into salt and ffa, and producing a cleaner glycerine for degreaser use. Like everyone I know whose tried this, I've got a bit of ffa byproduct sitting around in my 'odd chemicals' collection now (I believe Ken Provost experimented with using that same ffa in soapmaking?). Todd Swearingen said something once about ffa being a potential fuel source for a Babington Burner, and has said somewhere that he thinks it could be a fuel in other situations. Anyone experimented with this, or any of you engineers out there have any ideas on how well it'll combust and under what conditions? (I don't have anything to try burning it in at the moment). Thanks, Mark - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Instant death
400 mph and the operator is not even wearing a helmet! Insanity. Tom Leue In a message dated 1/7/03 10:41:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fred sent me this, with this comment: This was sent to me.Ê I see it as the problem with transportation. It should not be fast and deadly.Ê It should be slow and steady.Ê To get you and your stuff to it's final destination with little impact on everything. Perhaps these should be given away with an SUV. What a good idea... http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews; storyID=1998808 click the picture to enlarge. I've still got bike-freak in my blood, but really, if this insanity makes you drool then please go out and BUY ONE. I wonder how many gallons per mile it does. :-( Keith - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Bio fuel business, second draft
Biodiesel is a word that is accepted as the standard name for methylated esters. It is not necessary or proper to split it into two words. Say bio fuel, if you wish, but it is biodiesel. Tom Leue In a message dated 11/29/02 12:22:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I sending you my second draft for comments and corrections. Added some things and corrected language somewhat. It will be complemented with an other piece about taxation issues. Hakan Structures of bio fuel business. By Hakan Falk, Energy Saving Now. Renewable Energies are in some fields already big businesses and will be huge. Hydropower has been big for already more than 100 years and windmills for more than 1,000 years. A new example I want to mention is the Danish Wind Mill electricity business that started around 20 years ago and who is now market leaders in large generators, with more than 1 billion dollar in annual revenue and is only scratching the surface of the potential. The same can be said about Solar Power, but this business is spread on many suppliers. The PV cell market is now mature enough for the large companies and you already see the Japanese emerging as potential market leaders. It is two fundamentally different businesses, one with large projects and few clients and the other one an end user market with many customers / installers and relatively few manufacturers. The traditional fossil fuel markets, are markets with a few producers and a huge client base. A few companies who financed the prospecting and the needed large investments in production/distribution facilities dominate it. It is however not difficult to see that the traditional fossil fuel will have several severe price increases during the next two decades and cause more of what we now know as energy crises. The pressures will be tremendous on replacement fuels and energy efficiency. The Bio Fuel market is quite different than the earlier mentioned markets. It will always be dependent on many small producers of the raw material and have to distribute to the same huge client base as fossil fuels. The bio fuel market can be divided in groups, based on fuel type, necessary production facilities, investments and use. The first divisions are based on the end use and will be transport, electricity and heating. Transport as the first group, turns out to be relational to engine technologies on short and medium term, namely gasoline or diesel engines. Hybrids will emerge, but they are also going to be divided into the same engine base. Small EV vehicles will start to emerge with a slow penetration and in typical city and short distance applications. It is very difficult to see a major change in basic vehicle types within two replacement cycles. The major battleground on short and medium term will be around the gasoline and diesel technologies, or on bio fuel basis ethanol and bio diesel/SVO (Straight Vegetable oil). WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil) will give a small contribution, but methods to use this are more of a smart profitable recycling method of waste, than a major part of covering the energy needs. Bio fuel or rather bio diesel or SVO will be the dominant replacement player in electricity generation. Because of its size, consumption and stationary nature, preheated SVO seems to be a logical choice. Hydrogen and fuel cells will be a high profile development, but are not in a stage were it will be a major player on short and medium term. Electricity generation with diesel engines is a very large market and it is hard to see ethanol playing any significant part. Heating of buildings is a huge market. An other use is cooling, but is possible to shut down in high price and crises market. Again the only logical replacement fuels are bio diesel or SVO. Because of the large number of equipment, storage and variation in conditions, bio diesel seems to be the logical replacement choice. It is important to mention that even with fossil oil, it is no difference between diesel and heating oil. If we assume that I am not too far from realities, the preferred fuels will be Ethanol or bio diesel/SVO. Both are markets with many producers and users. It is probably one fundamental difference, proved by experiences from Brazil and that is what is going to happen on the production of the products. To have a cost efficient production of ethanol, the possible energy crops give fewer choices. An effective large-scale production of end fuel, needs large size production facilities and investments for ethanol. The Brazilian experiences over many decades now, points to very sugar and starch rich crops with less possible variation of agriculture condition. Sugar cane and sugar beet works and maybe a few other crops. The choices are not very many for cost efficient and sustainable production. Bio diesel/SVO leaves a richness of possible choices and agriculture conditions. Bio diesel/SVO are cost effective already in a
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: correction was Re: tax situation in Maine
I snipped the message because I didn't want to embarass anyone. I only snipped the part that described the name of the organization in question, not changing anything from World Energy. I got the message from the Massachusetts Dept. of Energy, who had assumed that it was the Chewonki Foundation that was being described. As it turned out, this assumption was incorrect. World Energy has not provided any followup describing who they were referring to. There is no other known entity in Maine that fits the description. Are we starting to see a pattern here? Tom Leue In a message dated 11/23/02 4:07:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Mark It's a bit confused-confusing. Tom Leue (Homestead, Yellow Biodiesel) posted the original message, it was quite badly snipped and you couldn't tell who'd said what. I don't know where Tom got it from - well, World Energy, but I didn't see anything about it at their website, so it would have been an email from someone there I suppose. Here it is again: Here is a communication from World Energy about government actions against one of the few biodiesel producers in the Northeast. Be forwarned. Snip We run into a lot of small producers who are trying to do the right thing, but I would be remiss if I did not warn about the severity of cutting corners from an IRS or EPA standpoint. Any biodiesel producer or seller needs to understand that any biodiesel used (not sold)as fuel in an on-road vehicle is subject to on-road tax. We have a number of producers around the country who do not want to deal with the tax, and sell it tax exempt. This fuel does often end up in peoples vehicles. Just as you and I pay tax at the pump, it is the user who is ultimately responsible for road tax. We just had a small producer in another state in a similar situation. They own a number of diesel vehicles and have been using it for about a year. They were just hit with bill for $0.31/gallon State excise tax plus penalties and interest for every gallon they have produced. In addition, since the fuel was used in on-road vehicles, the Federal Government can (and most likely will) fine up to $10.00/gallon for every gallon used. The organization in Maine is a non-profit agency and is therefore tax exempt. They also do not sell any fuel to te outside world. Many of these small producers are yet to realize how sad the ending may be. I don't mean to sound rude or abrupt, but the tax consequences can be quite severe. I have already seen it happen once. I think we will see it happen again. I was asked off-list if that was the Chewonki Foundation or Solar Market in Maine, and I didn't know. Later Peter Arnold of the Chewonki Foundation wrote: The organization referenced can not be from Maine because our state road tax is $0.23/gallon. The communication got snipped and doesn't make as much sense as it could. The organization in Maine is a non-profit agency and is therefore tax exempt. They also do not sell any fuel to the outside world. line refers to the part of this communication that got snipped. The small producer in another state and the organization in Maine are differernt organizations. Since no name is included however I don't know who the Maine organization is. Peter That's all I know. Best Keith Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] National BioDiesel Board
Only a couple of experiences with the NBB. First, it was a NBB member who told me I had to register my production operation with the EPA. I fully believe he knew that the EPA would refuse my registration and threaten me with fines of up to $25,000 per day, since I was not a member of the NBB. That put me in jeopardy and was not appreciated. In addition, Joe Jobes, Director of the NBB, told me to change a somewhat unflattering reference to the NBB on my web site, www.yellowbiodiesel.com I accomodated him, but I thought they were excessively sensitive. Needless to say, they do not encourge small producers like myself. Tom Leue Yellow Brand PREMIUM Biodiesel In a message dated 11/18/02 12:12:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Folks, I'm curious to know what your experiences are with the National Biodiesel Board (www.nbb.org) Relevant? Effective? Good to work with? How could it be improved? Etc. Thanks! Andrew Hoppin N Space Labs, Inc. Vizualize Your Business [EMAIL PROTECTED] 212.226.4550 (office) 646.221.5602 (mobile) 158 Lafayette St. 2nd Floor NY, NY 10013 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Share the magic of Harry Potter with Yahoo! Messenger http://us.click.yahoo.com/4Q_cgB/JmBFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Biodiesel Calculator
Where can we find the actual subsidies for american biodiesel production? A significant cash credit is available to US producers from the USDA if they are registered with the EPA. This is assuming that the EPA will allow you to register as a commercial producer. I tried to do this last October, 2001 and the EPA got back to me in February 2002 saying that not only would they not let me register as a commercial biodiesel producer, but that the fine for being in production without registering is up to $25,000 per day and that I should never have started to produce biodiesel in the first place and the fine could be retroactive to the day that I filed for registration. Nevertheless, there are USDA subsidies for the commercial production of biodiesel. Just a few weeks ago, World Energy Corp., the largest producer of biodiesel in this country, asked for help from this website and from many others in asking for petitions to the government, USDA, to stop a republican effort to reduce existing subsidies to the producers of biodiesel. This subsidy is called a producer price support, among other names, and must be very substantial. World Energy Corp. reported that the realignment of subsidies would cause their company to have to raise prices by about 90¢ per gallon. That means that retail biodiesel would increase by more than $1 per gallon. I believe there are two types of subsidies. First is a large payment, over $1 per gallon, as a one time payment for bringing on new production facilities to make biodiesel. That is measured on an annual basis. For example, if you start a new processing line of, say, 100,000 gallons per year, the check from the government would be in excess of $100,000. The second type of subsidy, at much less than $1 per gallon, is a subsidy for each gallon of biodiesel produced. I'm told that the subsidy for the production of biodiesel from virgin soybean oil is far larger than the subsidy for biodiesel made from recycled yellow grease, or any other source. What kind of sense does that make? Just shows you who has the biggest lobby in the area, ADM. Perhaps some of the realignment of subsidies recently decided upon by the republicans was to readjust the money for all biodiesel sources being more in align with each other. Maybe not. So, where is this subsidy information available? Its public policy, afterall, and must be accessible. Anyone know? Tom Leue Yellow Biodiesel www.yellowbiodiesel.com In a message dated 11/13/02 7:17:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Useful tool to calculate subsidy payments for oilseeds: http://www.ncga.com/farmbill/calculator/calculator.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Share the magic of Harry Potter with Yahoo! Messenger http://us.click.yahoo.com/4Q_cgB/JmBFAA/46VHAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] CALL TO ACTION- USDA CUTTING SUPPORT FOR BIODIESEL PRODUCTION
There is a world of difference between what we do on a small scale in our back porch and what it will take for a high finance business world to take notice of this new kind of thing: Biodiesel. If you want biodiesel to become a widespread alternative and to have some significant impact in the real world, its got to make some MONEY. Real business have paid employees, paid business managers, advertising, debt, real estate and, most important, investors. The price we might pay for B-20 from World Energy or any other supplier has to be kept down to be in proportion to the highly subsidized price of petroleum. If the subsidy that commercial biodiesel pas been receiving disappears, you will see an almost instant stop to the growth of an entire industry. You should remember what happened when Reagan stopped the solar system tax credits. If we want to have any future for alternative and sustainable energy, we need to support this effort to keep the government from killing this barely born industry. This is the oil people against the biodiesel people, for heavens sake. What sense does it make to pay soybean farmers to grow more soybeans by taking away the subsidy from the soybean users? Don't we already run a huge surplus of soybeans already, and isn't more subsidy to farmers just going to increase this problem? Its time for us to be heard on this issue before the entire biodiesel industry is put out to pasture. I'm going to help as well as I can. Tom Leue Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com In a message dated 10/22/02 1:58:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:23:47 -, you wrote: Dear Biodiesel Enthusiast, I work with World Energy, the largest supplier of biodiesel in the US. I am asking your support in a campaign to demand that our government increase rather than reduce its support for biodiesel at this crucial time. As you are likely aware, biodiesel presently receives a production subsidy administered through the Commodities Credit Corporation (CCC). The CCC has just issued new regulations that would drastically reduce the effectiveness of the subsidy. We are already seeing the effects of this in the market with rapidly escalating biodiesel prices. I am confused about something. A recent news story I think put the price of making biodiesel at something like $.60 per gallon, for homebrewers able to secure a modestly priced source of base materials. So, why exactly is there this need for a subsidy? Was the cost estimate in error? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/jd3IAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel
Hi Brian The federal law is 40 CFR 79, requiring any alternative fuel or fuel additive (but not standard fuels) to be tested for the health effects. While there is an exception for small producers (under $50,000,000 in annual sales) from the live rat studies, the chemical speciation must be conducted by a laboratory. The EPA estimate of this cost is about $1,000,000. I find it interesting that the federally sponsored study for this test is stated as being in the public domain, but it is the policy of the EPA, not law, that they require a new study from any producer that is not a member of the NBB. This is their way of keeping control of the number of producers. The EPA warns that they will fine any producer of biodiesel up to $25,000 per day if they catch them selling or bartering homebrew biodiesel without a receipt for membership in the NBB. There are more details, but this one should be sufficient to stifle the development of locally made biodiesel around the country. Tom Leue Homestead Inc. In a message dated 10/7/02 12:18:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I've been lurking for a while, and now seems a good time for an intro and a request for help. My name is Brian Jamison and I'm currently organizing the Portland Oregon Biodiesel Co-op. We're not currently producing biodiesel but soon will. I'm committed to doing everything legal and above board. I've heard rumors from small biodiesel producers (mostly homebrewers) that it is a million dollar process to get certification to sell biodiesel. I tend to doubt it. So, what is required? Paying the road taxes is easy. Blue skies, Brian Jamison Founder Portland Biodiesel Co-op http://www.gobiodiesel.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Legal Obstacles for Biodiesel
Here is a communication from World Energy about government actions against one of the few biodiesel producers in the Northeast. Be forwarned. Snip We run into a lot of small producers who are trying to do the right thing, but I would be remiss if I did not warn about the severity of cutting corners from an IRS or EPA standpoint. Any biodiesel producer or seller needs to understand that any biodiesel used (not sold)as fuel in an on-road vehicle is subject to on-road tax. We have a number of producers around the country who do not want to deal with the tax, and sell it tax exempt. This fuel does often end up in peoples vehicles. Just as you and I pay tax at the pump, it is the user who is ultimately responsible for road tax. We just had a small producer in another state in a similar situation. They own a number of diesel vehicles and have been using it for about a year. They were just hit with bill for $0.31/gallon State excise tax plus penalties and interest for every gallon they have produced. In addition, since the fuel was used in on-road vehicles, the Federal Government can (and most likely will) fine up to $10.00/gallon for every gallon used. The organization in Maine is a non-profit agency and is therefore tax exempt. They also do not sell any fuel to te outside world. Many of these small producers are yet to realize how sad the ending may be. I don't mean to sound rude or abrupt, but the tax consequences can be quite severe. I have already seen it happen once. I think we will see it happen again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: EPA
I've been telling this story a few times, but here it is again. I tried to register with the EPA as an alternative fuel producer, making biodiesel. The EPA says that even though the health effects data for biodiesel was paid for by federal funds, that that data cannot be used by ordinary citizens, and they must duplicate all of the studies. These studies have cost over $2,000,000. Duplication of the essential parts will likely cost over $1,000,000. The existing health effects data is used by all other manufacturers of biodiesel in the country, but they are all large corporations. The right to use the health effects data can be bought from the company set up by Archer-Daniels-Midland (the NBB), but they do not want small producers to apply. The require a committment for a $100,000 cash bond, a minimum of $2500 per year dues, royalty payments, and testing fees to join. Those are certainly beyond my means. I am advocating a co-op whereby at least 5 producers each buy a share of a membership, at a cost of $500 each, plus a modest membership fee. This is along the lines of World Energy which has several production facilities using one membership. To tie the producers together, loosely, I recommend each manufacturer have the word yellow in their product name (i.e. Newman's Own Yellow Biodiesel). This way it would look like a cohesive entity applying for the registration, but each company would be on their own for ASTM testing, etc. Membership would also entitle you to a newsletter that exchanges our development information. It looks like a year or so more before there are the necessary 5 businesses to go forward with this idea. Let me know if you want to join at any time. Tom Leue Homestead Inc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] do you want to publish?
Hi Orion, I've been making biodiesel here in western Massachuisetts for 5 years. I was the first small producer to try to register federally, and was shot down by the EPA. Now I make biodiesel degreaser, rather than fuel. My product is Yellow Brand. I am also working towards writing a book, but it is at least 2 years off in the future. If I can participate in your tale, I would be pleased. Tom Leue Homestead Inc. In a message dated 8/24/02 8:19:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello fellow biodiesel heads, I am publishing a book on biodiesel called A Biodiesel Handbook and I really want to have a chapter dedicated to peoples stories with biodiesel. I am looking for submissions under... A good biodiesel road trip story Pictures of biodiesel Processors, cars, with people or without. Troubleshooting If you want to get your story or pictures of you and your processors published please reply to this email or call me at 360-647-3434 thank you Orion Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Proposed Biodiesel Book
Hello rpsharma, I would be interested in developing any information you may be able to share into this book. This is a minimum of a two year project, so we both have time to think, write and experiment more. I have been making biodiesel for about 5 years now. I run a small commercial operation in Massachusetts. The US government does not allow individuals to make this biodiesel commercially, so I have to sell it as a degreaser, called Yellow Biodiesel Degreaser. It is very effective and cost effective as a degreaser, and beats any other product out there. Perhaps you can learn more about me by visiting my rather odd website, www.yellowbiodiesel.com. Please let me know what you think about all of this. Tom Leue Homestead Inc. In a message dated 8/19/02 8:21:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am interested injoioning youon the book writing venture I am already working on a book on bio- fuels but have yet not tied up with anyone. If you are interested please let me know.I have authered 4 books which are running as best sellers in India for last 17 years rpsharma Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
