Re: [talk-ph] ideas for tracking stepjuan's journey (Fwd: STEPJUAN Bai: A walking expedition for Children with Cancer)
Make sure to test the actual droid phone + app to see how fast it can acquire a GPS lock and send it with the tweet or else it might be sending tweets without the GEO info i guess the best way to save batt is to use the GPS and GPRS only every now and then. what if theres no signal or bad gprs coverage? On 3:59 AM, Noli Sicad wrote: TweetDeck has live geotag and it is free. http://www.wirefresh.com/tweetdeck-for-iphone-gets-update-to-v1-3/ http://www.tweetdeck.com/android/ How you get the geo-tweets display in your custom map - openlayers or wms / tile server? Noli On 3/7/11, maning sambaleemmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the tips. In the first StepJuan expedition, I gave him one GPSTOGO unit, at the end of each day, he sends the file to me. I then process the file and upload in the website. The process is onerous both for me and Tomas' so I'm thinking of automating this process. The best I can think of is to use a droid phone and send geo-tweets. This way all he do is tweet his current position to show it on the livemap. Any free droid app that can send geo-enabled tweets? On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Noli Sicadnsi...@gmail.com wrote: I think these 2 free apps are useful for this purpose (i.e. getting gpx and csv and emailing it). Android - MyTracks http://mytracks.appspot.com/ http://code.google.com/p/mytracks/ Iphone - Record my GPS position http://itunes.apple.com/app/record-my-gps-position/id405865492?mt= Noli On 3/6/11, Andre Marcelo-Tanneran...@enthropia.com wrote: Well what can he carry, a GPS logger is easy to carry and runs fine on batt but it only logs, so what possible device can be used to log and upload at the same time or if it just logs, how often can an upload be done? Once you have something which can upload, you just figure out how to display the logs online using a website or a 3rd party service. Something like Sportstracklive or its competitors let you track yourself live using a phone or similar device and display it live online, the problem with constant upload is the battery drain, and well GPRS charges but im sure an 1200 unlimited 3G subscription might offset that. I know the developer of sportstracklive, he's a foreigner living the philippines. It's cool for live tracking as longs its not a security issue, and allow people to comment or alert people as he passes by certain areas. I know he walks during the day, is there a mobile device charges solar unit :) or a really low powered GPS + 3g unit + solar power charger, or some dynamo that will charge the phone as he walks :) On 3:59 AM, maning sambale wrote: StepJuan is back on the road. For brief background, we helped Tomas and the StepJuan crew last year in mapping his journey from Paguppud Ilocos to Matnog, Sorsogon. We provided him one of the gpstogo units to track the whole journey. All traces are in OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces/tag/stepjuan This year he is planning to do the Visayas leg. I'm looking for ideas on how we can once again track the journey and show a webmap. Are there any GPS tracker available wherein we can directly interface to an OSM map? The StepJuan crew is looking for sponsorships, if you have ideas, just post em here. Thanks! -- Forwarded message -- Hi firends, StepJuan is walking to town again! This time me and my team will walk through the 6 major islands of the Visayas Region, starting from Allen Samar and will end in Boracay Island, Aklan. This adventure will benefit children with cancer under the Philippine Children's Medical Center (tawid kalusugan program for indigent patients). With this i would like to ask for your help. Attached is a cover letter, the walk IT and our media plan. Hoping for your help and guidance. God Bless. Love and Peace, ~Tomas Leonor Director/ Founder: StepJuan www.stepjuan.com tomas.leo...@gmail.com +639152166693/ +639193622182 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] ideas for tracking stepjuan's journey (Fwd: STEPJUAN Bai: A walking expedition for Children with Cancer)
maybe stepjuan can use this: http://explorersweb.com/tech/news.php?id=19336 http://explorersweb.com/tech/news.php?id=19336i've seen one in ROX high street outdoor store. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner an...@enthropia.comwrote: Make sure to test the actual droid phone + app to see how fast it can acquire a GPS lock and send it with the tweet or else it might be sending tweets without the GEO info i guess the best way to save batt is to use the GPS and GPRS only every now and then. what if theres no signal or bad gprs coverage? On 3:59 AM, Noli Sicad wrote: TweetDeck has live geotag and it is free. http://www.wirefresh.com/tweetdeck-for-iphone-gets-update-to-v1-3/ http://www.tweetdeck.com/android/ How you get the geo-tweets display in your custom map - openlayers or wms / tile server? Noli On 3/7/11, maning sambaleemmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the tips. In the first StepJuan expedition, I gave him one GPSTOGO unit, at the end of each day, he sends the file to me. I then process the file and upload in the website. The process is onerous both for me and Tomas' so I'm thinking of automating this process. The best I can think of is to use a droid phone and send geo-tweets. This way all he do is tweet his current position to show it on the livemap. Any free droid app that can send geo-enabled tweets? On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Noli Sicadnsi...@gmail.com wrote: I think these 2 free apps are useful for this purpose (i.e. getting gpx and csv and emailing it). Android - MyTracks http://mytracks.appspot.com/ http://code.google.com/p/mytracks/ Iphone - Record my GPS position http://itunes.apple.com/app/record-my-gps-position/id405865492?mt= Noli On 3/6/11, Andre Marcelo-Tanneran...@enthropia.com wrote: Well what can he carry, a GPS logger is easy to carry and runs fine on batt but it only logs, so what possible device can be used to log and upload at the same time or if it just logs, how often can an upload be done? Once you have something which can upload, you just figure out how to display the logs online using a website or a 3rd party service. Something like Sportstracklive or its competitors let you track yourself live using a phone or similar device and display it live online, the problem with constant upload is the battery drain, and well GPRS charges but im sure an 1200 unlimited 3G subscription might offset that. I know the developer of sportstracklive, he's a foreigner living the philippines. It's cool for live tracking as longs its not a security issue, and allow people to comment or alert people as he passes by certain areas. I know he walks during the day, is there a mobile device charges solar unit :) or a really low powered GPS + 3g unit + solar power charger, or some dynamo that will charge the phone as he walks :) On 3:59 AM, maning sambale wrote: StepJuan is back on the road. For brief background, we helped Tomas and the StepJuan crew last year in mapping his journey from Paguppud Ilocos to Matnog, Sorsogon. We provided him one of the gpstogo units to track the whole journey. All traces are in OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces/tag/stepjuan This year he is planning to do the Visayas leg. I'm looking for ideas on how we can once again track the journey and show a webmap. Are there any GPS tracker available wherein we can directly interface to an OSM map? The StepJuan crew is looking for sponsorships, if you have ideas, just post em here. Thanks! -- Forwarded message -- Hi firends, StepJuan is walking to town again! This time me and my team will walk through the 6 major islands of the Visayas Region, starting from Allen Samar and will end in Boracay Island, Aklan. This adventure will benefit children with cancer under the Philippine Children's Medical Center (tawid kalusugan program for indigent patients). With this i would like to ask for your help. Attached is a cover letter, the walk IT and our media plan. Hoping for your help and guidance. God Bless. Love and Peace, ~Tomas Leonor Director/ Founder: StepJuan www.stepjuan.com tomas.leo...@gmail.com +639152166693/ +639193622182 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- Rem Zamora
Re: [talk-ph] ideas for tracking stepjuan's journey (Fwd: STEPJUAN Bai: A walking expedition for Children with Cancer)
Andre Marcelo-Tanner wrote, On Monday, 07 March, 2011 08:51 PM: Make sure to test the actual droid phone + app to see how fast it can acquire a GPS lock and send it with the tweet or else it might be sending tweets without the GEO info But this is pretty much what the Globe GPS tracking system does, except it sends the co-ordinates by SMS, I understand. And given that the walk is for a good cause, I'm sure they'd be approachable and would a) give you a free GPS tracker plan and b) help you promote the cause. I'd definitely second the solar charger idea. Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6840 6693 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS article
what if it was intentional (signal-jamming experiment)? like what North Korea is doing to South Korea. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view/20110306-323798/N-Korea-jammed-S-Korea-GPS-devices On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: A general GPS tech article, rather than a mapping-related one, but I thought it might be interesting anyway. IT WAS just after midday in San Diego, California, when the disruption started. In the tower at the airport, air-traffic controllers peered at their monitors only to find that their system for tracking incoming planes was malfunctioning. At the Naval Medical Center, emergency pagers used for summoning doctors stopped working. Chaos threatened in the busy harbour, too, after the traffic-management system used for guiding boats failed. On the streets, people reaching for their cellphones found they had no signal and bank customers trying to withdraw cash from local ATMs were refused. Problems persisted for another 2 hours. It took three days to find an explanation for this mysterious event in January 2007. Two navy ships in the San Diego harbour had been conducting a training exercise. To test procedures when communications were lost, technicians jammed radio signals. Unwittingly, they also blocked radio signals from GPS satellites across a swathe of the city. Continues ... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20202-gps-chaos-how-a-30-box-can-jam-your-life.html?full=trueprint=true -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6840 6693 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS article
They were not just jamming the GPS signals, if you read it all he was jamming all communication channels to test if the two ships could work together. Of course other things went down, eg phones.. Because they were also jammed to stop the sailors using phones to call ship to ship.. He has taken a small thing out of the whole picture and said it caused all the problems.. Tests like that should not be done near shore as they will take out civilian methods of communication. GPS will not stop a mobile phone.. from operating.. A Jammer on the CELL frequencies will.. same as any other radio based links will also go down if they are jammed.. GPS is more and more needed but the ATM's themselves do not have gps units.. Unless they were mobile ATMS.. On Tuesday 08 March 2011 12:08:42 pm Rally de Leon wrote: what if it was intentional (signal-jamming experiment)? like what North Korea is doing to South Korea. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view/20110306-323798/N-Kore a-jammed-S-Korea-GPS-devices On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: A general GPS tech article, rather than a mapping-related one, but I thought it might be interesting anyway. IT WAS just after midday in San Diego, California, when the disruption started. In the tower at the airport, air-traffic controllers peered at their monitors only to find that their system for tracking incoming planes was malfunctioning. At the Naval Medical Center, emergency pagers used for summoning doctors stopped working. Chaos threatened in the busy harbour, too, after the traffic-management system used for guiding boats failed. On the streets, people reaching for their cellphones found they had no signal and bank customers trying to withdraw cash from local ATMs were refused. Problems persisted for another 2 hours. It took three days to find an explanation for this mysterious event in January 2007. Two navy ships in the San Diego harbour had been conducting a training exercise. To test procedures when communications were lost, technicians jammed radio signals. Unwittingly, they also blocked radio signals from GPS satellites across a swathe of the city. Continues ... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20202-gps-chaos-how-a-30-box-can-ja m-your-life.html?full=trueprint=true -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6840 6693 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS article
On Tuesday, 08 March, 2011 12:19 PM, Michael Cole wrote: Of course other things went down, eg phones.. Because they were also jammed to stop the sailors using phones to call ship to ship.. GPS is more and more needed but the ATM's themselves do not have gps units.. Unless they were mobile ATMS.. Well that was kind of the point ... The ATMs *did *use GPS, as the ATM system used GPS for their accurate time signal. No one anticipated it would fail until this test was run. My main business is IT security, and that involves a component of risk analysis. This is the kind of risk which is very hard to spot, and one which will come out of left field and take you down. Which is why I personally found it so interesting. Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS article
ATMs are using GPS because of the timestamps simply because atomic clocks are very expensive to install on each ATM. Personally, I find it interesting because they found a use of GPS signal other than positioning. However, I felt a certain degree on uneasiness for our increasing reliance to GPS signals in many of our daily activities, considering the planned expansion and creation of other GNSS (GLONASS, Galileo, China and Japan) are far from operational. On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: On Tuesday, 08 March, 2011 12:19 PM, Michael Cole wrote: Of course other things went down, eg phones.. Because they were also jammed to stop the sailors using phones to call ship to ship.. GPS is more and more needed but the ATM's themselves do not have gps units.. Unless they were mobile ATMS.. Well that was kind of the point ... The ATMs did use GPS, as the ATM system used GPS for their accurate time signal. No one anticipated it would fail until this test was run. My main business is IT security, and that involves a component of risk analysis. This is the kind of risk which is very hard to spot, and one which will come out of left field and take you down. Which is why I personally found it so interesting. Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS article
I really have second thoughts on this issue, you dont care what the machine time is you care the server time.. The next issue is that there is not a single article about ATM's failing in San Deigo in a mass scale in 2007.. That would have been big news.. The guy seems to be real, but the article is a little more fiction.. I would never use the terminals time, it is the time the termial talks to the base system that is most important which is where when the phones are down then the ATM's fail.. The codes are not based on GPS they have highly specific clocks, which is the same technology in the RSA keyrings you can buy. GPS is alot more expensive than a proper crystal..http://www.rsa.com/node.aspx?id=1311 He also mentioned the ATMS talked wirelessly, SHIT the Military had blocked that for the prupose of the exersice all wireless communication.. He just went to far in his assumptions that GPS caused the ATM's to fail.. Your cell phone also is not going to fail in the US because of lack of GPS.. On Tuesday 08 March 2011 2:25:41 pm maning sambale wrote: ATMs are using GPS because of the timestamps simply because atomic clocks are very expensive to install on each ATM. Personally, I find it interesting because they found a use of GPS signal other than positioning. However, I felt a certain degree on uneasiness for our increasing reliance to GPS signals in many of our daily activities, considering the planned expansion and creation of other GNSS (GLONASS, Galileo, China and Japan) are far from operational. On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: On Tuesday, 08 March, 2011 12:19 PM, Michael Cole wrote: Of course other things went down, eg phones.. Because they were also jammed to stop the sailors using phones to call ship to ship.. GPS is more and more needed but the ATM's themselves do not have gps units.. Unless they were mobile ATMS.. Well that was kind of the point ... The ATMs did use GPS, as the ATM system used GPS for their accurate time signal. No one anticipated it would fail until this test was run. My main business is IT security, and that involves a component of risk analysis. This is the kind of risk which is very hard to spot, and one which will come out of left field and take you down. Which is why I personally found it so interesting. Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GPS article
well, with the Philippine ATM setup, jamming GPS won't jam ATM machines in Pinas. I don't think there's a correlation with the ATMs and clock jamming, out of sync time for machines will only be a reconciliation problem (the payment back-office side) of banks but ATM transactions won't be affected. Must be a hypothesis without any real proof GPS jamming did it...encryption of ATMs also use 3DES and not any time-based algorithm. Jamming the GPS will only make the signal unavailable but the time of the NTP primary server (network time protocol, who gets signals from the GPS satellite) will still be the same, and if even altered may alter system and network time but won't make ATM network go offline anyway, here's an interesting news from Google Maps http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/infotech/view/20110308-324118/Google-Maps-now-helps-users-beat-traffic-jams this is one of my future nice-to-have what if we can alter routing algorithm decisions with time-based/real time practical max_speed for garmin to make intelligent routing decisions like this one? we all know the ETA for our units are not even near real world -- --- I explore, therefore I blog. http://www.backpackingphilippines.com On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Michael Cole colemic...@gmail.com wrote: I really have second thoughts on this issue, you dont care what the machine time is you care the server time.. The next issue is that there is not a single article about ATM's failing in San Deigo in a mass scale in 2007.. That would have been big news.. The guy seems to be real, but the article is a little more fiction.. I would never use the terminals time, it is the time the termial talks to the base system that is most important which is where when the phones are down then the ATM's fail.. The codes are not based on GPS they have highly specific clocks, which is the same technology in the RSA keyrings you can buy. GPS is alot more expensive than a proper crystal..http://www.rsa.com/node.aspx?id=1311 He also mentioned the ATMS talked wirelessly, SHIT the Military had blocked that for the prupose of the exersice all wireless communication.. He just went to far in his assumptions that GPS caused the ATM's to fail.. Your cell phone also is not going to fail in the US because of lack of GPS.. On Tuesday 08 March 2011 2:25:41 pm maning sambale wrote: ATMs are using GPS because of the timestamps simply because atomic clocks are very expensive to install on each ATM. Personally, I find it interesting because they found a use of GPS signal other than positioning. However, I felt a certain degree on uneasiness for our increasing reliance to GPS signals in many of our daily activities, considering the planned expansion and creation of other GNSS (GLONASS, Galileo, China and Japan) are far from operational. On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: On Tuesday, 08 March, 2011 12:19 PM, Michael Cole wrote: Of course other things went down, eg phones.. Because they were also jammed to stop the sailors using phones to call ship to ship.. GPS is more and more needed but the ATM's themselves do not have gps units.. Unless they were mobile ATMS.. Well that was kind of the point ... The ATMs did use GPS, as the ATM system used GPS for their accurate time signal. No one anticipated it would fail until this test was run. My main business is IT security, and that involves a component of risk analysis. This is the kind of risk which is very hard to spot, and one which will come out of left field and take you down. Which is why I personally found it so interesting. Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] tagging real speed (Re: GPS article)
Breaking the thread to discuss this topic. anyway, here's an interesting news from Google Maps http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/infotech/view/20110308-324118/Google-Maps-now-helps-users-beat-traffic-jams this is one of my future nice-to-have what if we can alter routing algorithm decisions with time-based/real time practical max_speed for garmin to make intelligent routing decisions like this one? we all know the ETA for our units are not even near real world This is only possible if google can collect traffic data. I don't know if such exist in the Philippines. This topic was also discussed in brief during the garmin hackday. At the moment, we don't use any the max_speed tag in the Garmin map for the simple reason that we have very little data. Moreover, max_speed doesn't tell you the actual speed conditions. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 03:45:45 -0800 (PST) Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Joseph Reeves wrote: without explaining in layman's terms what this means. http://old.opengeodata.org/2008/01/07/the-licence-where-we-are-where-were-going/index.html Follow-ups to legal-talk please, so that those here who have made their mind up one way or the other don't have to read the whole caboodle all over again. cheers Richard Once again, there is not any hope that a clear explanation in Plain English will appear to a request on legal-talk. There is not a prohibition on asking these questions on /talk/, just a determined effort by a small number of people to ensure that discussion on /talk/ is limited, which is not part of the description of /talk/. The discussion is not being limited, it's just being funneled to its proper place. I like talk because it exposes me to a variety of topics that are alive in the community today. I also like it for its manageable volume. Lengthy debates on topics that have their own designated lists - be it dev, local lists *or* legal - make it less manageable and are bound to get people to lose interest and unsubscribe. I think that would be a shame. The fact that the question appears each month, from somebody new, shows me that the question never gets answered in a satisfactory manner. There are still a large number of unanswered questions. What it shows is that there's always going to be people interested in the license questions that do not know where to turn to for an answer. This list gets a lot of those type of questions, because of its catch-all topic description. And lots of times, people are directed to the right place to get an answer. This is no different, so why make it sound like it is? -- Martijn van Exel http://about.me/mvexel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] State of the Map Europe - Registration OPEN
Hello, We opened registration for the State of the Map Europe 2011 in Vienna today. Your early bird conference pass for all three days comes at EUR 60. We suggest payment by bank transfer (no additional costs in European SEPA area). On payments by PayPal, we need to add an additional surcharge of EUR 3. Get your early bird conference pass here: https://sotm-eu.org/registration We received a lot of interesting submissions already. There will be keynotes by Steve Coast (founder of OpenStreetMap) and Muki Haklay (Researcher at UCL, London). Representatives of Mapnik, the Humanitarian OSM Team (HOT), OpenSeaMap and many others will join us. Take your chance to present and discuss your ideas with these well- known experts! We hope to see you in Vienna! The SOTM-EU team ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
2011/3/7 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On 03/06/2011 07:13 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/3/7 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: OK, so.. this isn't a motorway? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_84_(west) I don't have an idea how these highways look like (besides some impressions on the linked pages), but I'd say if they don't meet the country specific criteria the US community set up and documented on the wiki (restricted access) you might think about tagging them as trunk roads or change the country specific definition for motorways in the US. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
2011/3/7 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: you might think about tagging them as trunk roads or change the country specific definition for motorways in the US. another option would be to tag them as bicycle=yes and highway=motorway, even if this might seem redundant to you, it doesn't to many other mappers (as you can see by the fact, that most routers will by default not route you on motorways by bike). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Timeline for phase3 and so on. (Re: odbl)
maning sambale emmanuel.sambale at gmail.com writes: OK then, I'm not asking for any legalese interpretation here, just the time-line for the succeeding phases of implementation. No fixed date was given for phase 3 in the wiki: However, the OSMF minutes have set it already on March 31st: https://docs.google.com/View?id=d38xqz5_6fj2bcdcm Since that OSMF meeting, the Creative Commons people have clarified their position (or changed their position, depending on your point of view) and made clear their commitment to making a new CC-BY-SA 4.0 which will (I hope) address the concerns with the current CC-BY-SA licence when applied to databases. That would be ideal, since then the transition to a new licence wouldn't involve any painful relicensing exercise or deletion of data. I would hope that this new state of play has changed the timetable a little bit. Has the OSMF board discussed the new Creative Commons offer? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
Hi, On 06.03.2011 17:15, Cartinus wrote: Experience teaches us that unless something consumes a not so common tag, it won't get tagged much. Once a tag is consumed by something highly visible like a renderer or a router it's use will increase. Meanwhile if the MQ bike router would know about except=bicycle and someone complains about it not ignoring a certain turn restriction, we can tell them to fix the tagging / have the tagging fixed. If it would ignore all turn restrictions when doing bikerouting, then there is no way of creating valid routes in countries where the turn restrictions are valid for bicycles. Is this tag supported in MQ routing? Oh, on what is your assumption based that in most countries turn restrictions don't apply to bicycles? Did you check may countries? OK, my assumption was wrong. I was just annoyed by the fact that the router detoured me around the crossing I always ride over straightly. The situation: Cars (and all other vehicles using the roadway) are not allowed to go straight on. BUT there is a combined cycle track/sidewalk next to it, with its own crossing and its own traffic signals. The turn restriction does not legally apply to cyclists and pedestrians crossing the road this way. This is the problem: When turn restrictions are practically circumvented by separate cycle tracks that are not mapped, their application for bicycle routing is based on nothing (hence my suggestion to enforce it only with cycleway=lane, which indicates that bikes do use the roadway). cheers ant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Timeline for phase3 and so on. (Re: odbl)
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 09:03 +, Ed Avis wrote: I would hope that this new state of play has changed the timetable a little bit. Has the OSMF board discussed the new Creative Commons offer? I believe the board (or possibly lwg) has discussed it before, as Im fairly sure Ive seen it in minutes somewhere. However from memory it was mentioned in passing, to see how it would compare to the new licence being implemented, rather than a view to using it. I dont have a link or source for this though and would be more than happy to be corrected if indeed it is being looked at seriously. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
2011/3/7 ant antof...@gmail.com: When turn restrictions are practically circumvented by separate cycle tracks that are not mapped, their application for bicycle routing is based on nothing It is a common mapping error to not map distinct cycle tracks with an own way and it is the reason, why separate tracks should always be mapped separately: because they are separate ways and different turn restrictions, other restrictions, surface, width, etc. might apply. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
Am 07.03.2011 11:30, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/3/7 antantof...@gmail.com: When turn restrictions are practically circumvented by separate cycle tracks that are not mapped, their application for bicycle routing is based on nothing It is a common mapping error to not map distinct cycle tracks with an own way and it is the reason, why separate tracks should always be mapped separately: because they are separate ways and different turn restrictions, other restrictions, surface, width, etc. might apply. Completely agree, but to go even further: Same holds for sidewalks, too: different surface, different width, different restriction (in Germany no bicycles allowed unless signed otherwise), turn restrictions not as a legal issue, but sometimes as an issue of barriers (If I'm not able to cross due to dangerous traffic, due to high curbs and my wheelchair etc. I can not turn left from the right sidewalk, even if there is a street to the left). regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
On 07.03.2011 11:30, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/3/7 antantof...@gmail.com: When turn restrictions are practically circumvented by separate cycle tracks that are not mapped, their application for bicycle routing is based on nothing It is a common mapping error to not map distinct cycle tracks with an own way and it is the reason, why separate tracks should always be mapped separately: because they are separate ways and different turn restrictions, other restrictions, surface, width, etc. might apply. It's not an error, it's a matter of detail (micromapping). I do map such ways separately--but lots of mappers don't. I believe it is still much more common to add a cycleway=track to the road instead, which is a well-documented mapping practice. cheers ant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] georeferencing OSM
Hello. This has been discussed[1] some time ago but the answer is somehow unclear to me. I understand that EPSG:900913 is (may be?) a crappy projection[2]. However, I still need a map of Poland at zoom 6-8 warped to EPSG2180. How to use geotifcp (how to prepare metadata) to embed appropriate information in an image exported from OpenStreetmap? [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap/19958 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Exporting_calibrated_maps -- Było mi bardzo miło. Czwarta pospolita klęska, [...] Łukasz Już nie katolicka lecz złodziejska. (c)PP ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
2011/3/7 ant antof...@gmail.com: On 07.03.2011 11:30, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: It's not an error, it's a matter of detail (micromapping). I do map such ways separately--but lots of mappers don't. I believe it is still much more common to add a cycleway=track to the road instead, which is a well-documented mapping practice. it is an error as soon as not all attributes on the road apply to the parallel cycleway as well (like you can see in the example you gave above), otherwise I agree it is only a lack of precision and detail. It is also quite common to not have the cycleways separate, because there are users that enforce their way of tagging. I had separate cycleways removed by certain users (and they are till now, because I don't want to try to become the DonQuichotte of separate cycleways) and when I wrote to them they replied: there was not enough space for all those ways, so I simplified the situation. :( They didn't want to undo their edits. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] georeferencing OSM
2011/3/7 Łukasz Stelmach stl...@poczta.fm: Hello. This has been discussed[1] some time ago but the answer is somehow unclear to me. I understand that EPSG:900913 is (may be?) a crappy projection[2]. However, I still need a map of Poland at zoom 6-8 warped to EPSG2180. How to use geotifcp (how to prepare metadata) to embed appropriate information in an image exported from OpenStreetmap? you have to provide an additional text file with the parameters for your tif (tfw, world file). The file is described e.g. in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_file cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] georeferencing OSM
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2011/3/7 Łukasz Stelmach stl...@poczta.fm: This has been discussed[1] some time ago but the answer is somehow unclear to me. I understand that EPSG:900913 is (may be?) a crappy projection[2]. However, I still need a map of Poland at zoom 6-8 warped to EPSG2180. How to use geotifcp (how to prepare metadata) to embed appropriate information in an image exported from OpenStreetmap? you have to provide an additional text file with the parameters for your tif (tfw, world file). The file is described e.g. in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_file Are you sure. There is a paramtere named pixel height which is assumed to be constant along the image. In Mercator projection this isn't true pixels in the north represent less degrees than those in the south. -- Było mi bardzo miło. Czwarta pospolita klęska, [...] Łukasz Już nie katolicka lecz złodziejska. (c)PP ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] georeferencing OSM
Łukasz Stelmach stlman at poczta.fm writes: Hello. This has been discussed[1] some time ago but the answer is somehow unclear to me. I understand that EPSG:900913 is (may be?) a crappy projection[2]. However, I still need a map of Poland at zoom 6-8 warped to EPSG2180. How to use geotifcp (how to prepare metadata) to embed appropriate information in an image exported from OpenStreetmap? [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap/19958 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Exporting_calibrated_maps I would capture first the image of your area by using native EPSG:900913 projection with gdal_translate and WMS driver as described at the bottom of the document http://gdal.org/frmt_wms.html. As a result you will have on a disk a geotiff file which is simple to re-project further into EPSG:2180 with gdalwarp. -Jukka Rahkonen- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Last time I read a discussion about bicycles on interstates the only known spot where they were allowed in the US was some few miles on one rural interstate highway (where there was if I recall right no other alternative route for many miles). For trunk roads the situation is different, but the nature of motorways is to restrict traffic for slow vehicles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highway_systems_with_full_control_of_access_and_no_cross_traffic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-motorized_access_on_freeways M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: the wiki states for the USA http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway motorway = Limited access freeway with interchanges. In my reading every highway which is not limited access should not be tagged as motorway, be it in north america or elsewhere. The access in limited acccess is driveway access to adjacent properties, not access by certain vehicles. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Bike-Pedestrian-directions-on-the-MQ-Open-sites-tp6088570p6097424.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
On 07/03/2011 13:31, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: it is an error as soon as not all attributes on the road apply to the parallel cycleway ... Any map (in fact any measurement) has errors. Adding extra information to the map is useful, even if it doesn't add all the information that everyone could possibly want. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
2011/3/7 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: the wiki states for the USA http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway motorway = Limited access freeway with interchanges. In my reading every highway which is not limited access should not be tagged as motorway, be it in north america or elsewhere. The access in limited acccess is driveway access to adjacent properties, not access by certain vehicles. Do you have a source for this? Look here for instance: To respond to a comment from a State DOT, the FHWA adds paragraph 06 to recommend that the NO PEDESTRIANS OR BICYCLES (R5–10b) sign, when used on a freeway or expressway exit or entrance ramp, should be installed in a location where it is clearly visible to any pedestrian or bicyclist attempting to enter the limited access facility from a street intersecting the exit ramp. found here: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-28322.pdf cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] mapping hypotheticals with OSM, e.g., for public charrettes?
How best to use OSM to map non-existent features for planning purposes, e.g., for public charrettes? (Apologies if this is a FAQ, but a brief search of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FAQ and of the lists via http://www.google.com/custom?sa=Google+Searchdomains=lists.openstreetmap.orgsitesearch=lists.openstreetmap.org found nothing I wanted, which may be due to poor search terms.) The NC GIS list was just queried for a Mapping Program that will allow users to map out specific places, routes, and areas for such things as Planning Charrettes, Surveys, or any other method of getting citizen's input more interactively? Another lister immediately suggested OSM, as do I, but I'm unsure how best to do prospective or hypothetical mapping. Your assistance is appreciated, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] georeferencing OSM
Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi writes: Łukasz Stelmach stlman at poczta.fm writes: This has been discussed[1] some time ago but the answer is somehow unclear to me. I understand that EPSG:900913 is (may be?) a crappy projection[2]. However, I still need a map of Poland at zoom 6-8 warped to EPSG2180. How to use geotifcp (how to prepare metadata) to embed appropriate information in an image exported from OpenStreetmap? [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap/19958 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Exporting_calibrated_maps I would capture first the image of your area by using native EPSG:900913 projection with gdal_translate and WMS driver as described at the bottom of the document http://gdal.org/frmt_wms.html. That's it. Thank you. For future reference (edit the xml file and set tile level to 7) gdal_translate -of GTiff -outsize 2014 1959 -projwin 1373199.36 7754019.75 3121531.52 6052748.56 frmt_wms_openstreetmap_tms.xml openstreetmap.tif or alternatively gdal_translate -of GTiff -srcwin 17500 1 1440 1340 frmt_wms_openstreetmap_tms.xml openstreetmap.tif and then gdalwarp -t_srs EPSG:2180 openstreetmap.tif plepsg2180.tif and finally gdal_translate -of GTiff -srcwin 626 101 1367 1368 plepsg2180.tif plepsg2180a.tif to get rid of black borders. This way I get a map between 0 and 2^20 meters in PUWG-1992. -- Było mi bardzo miło. Czwarta pospolita klęska, [...] Łukasz Już nie katolicka lecz złodziejska. (c)PP ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mapping hypotheticals with OSM, e.g., for public charrettes?
Tom Roche wrote: How best to use OSM to map non-existent features for planning purposes, e.g., for public charrettes? This shouldn't be mapped in the main OpenStreetMap database. OSM is for mapping real, verifiable locations, not hypotheticals. Rather, you should set up your own OSM install on your local server, and seed it with the existing OSM data. You can then use the usual tools to talk to this rather than to osm.org. There's lots of documentation on the wiki, or you can ask on the d...@openstreetmap.org list. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/mapping-hypotheticals-with-OSM-e-g-for-public-charrettes-tp6097707p6097812.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mapping hypotheticals with OSM, e.g., for public charrettes?
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com wrote: How best to use OSM to map non-existent features for planning purposes, e.g., for public charrettes? (Apologies if this is a FAQ, but a brief search of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FAQ and of the lists via http://www.google.com/custom?sa=Google+Searchdomains=lists.openstreetmap.orgsitesearch=lists.openstreetmap.org found nothing I wanted, which may be due to poor search terms.) The NC GIS list was just queried for a Mapping Program that will allow users to map out specific places, routes, and areas for such things as Planning Charrettes, Surveys, or any other method of getting citizen's input more interactively? Another lister immediately suggested OSM, as do I, but I'm unsure how best to do prospective or hypothetical mapping. Hmmm. First find the editing program that you want your public to use. Then segregate your OSM base map from your scratchpad area for your planning. Then publish your reference works as they are created and discussed. As Richard Fairhurst said, you won't contribute that fictional data to OpenStreetMap. You can create your own OSM stack and run it locally. Or simply capture the .osm files locally. You could capture background images (responsibly please! no scraping.) then edit over them with graphics tools or even pen and paper. Publishing your works is simplest if you license your proposal maps CC-By-SA as your OSM base maps will be CC-By-SA. If not, include your licensing details as well as Base map image © OpenStreetMap and Contributors CC-By-SA with links for the OSM web site and CC-By-SA license page. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Android app Open GPS Tracker and direct trace upload
Hi all, I have a GPS logger in the Android Market and a few days ago I updated it to a new version which includes uploading GPX files directly to http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/gpx/create. The app is called Open GPS Tracker can be found at https://market.android.com/details?id=nl.sogeti.android.gpstracker The source and app are available under GPLv3 license and to draw OSM map tiles the osmdroid library is used. Google Maps is also a possibility but this blocks the OSM traces upload feature. I've had the app in the Market for about a year and a half now and managed to get the app fairly stable and pretty efficient. I hope people here might find the app useful their gps logging and osm data collecting on Android. If you have any suggestions or idea's please let me know at rcgroot(a)gmail.com or submit an issue at http://code.google.com/p/open-gpstracker/issues/list Cheers, René ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
On 3/7/2011 9:51 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/3/7 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: the wiki states for the USA http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway motorway = Limited access freeway with interchanges. In my reading every highway which is not limited access should not be tagged as motorway, be it in north america or elsewhere. The access in limited acccess is driveway access to adjacent properties, not access by certain vehicles. Do you have a source for this? Look here for instance: To respond to a comment from a State DOT, the FHWA adds paragraph 06 to recommend that the NO PEDESTRIANS OR BICYCLES (R5–10b) sign, when used on a freeway or expressway exit or entrance ramp, should be installed in a location where it is clearly visible to any pedestrian or bicyclist attempting to enter the limited access facility from a street intersecting the exit ramp. found here: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-28322.pdf cheers, Martin http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_StatuteSearch_String=URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.003.html (19) http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/REALESTATE/aashto2006/limacnoaclb.htm ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] georeferencing OSM
Łukasz Stelmach writes: Hello. This has been discussed[1] some time ago but the answer is somehow unclear to me. I understand that EPSG:900913 is (may be?) a crappy projection[2]. There is no such thing as a crappy projection. Every projection is a compromise, and every projection has its purpose and its ill-use. It may be a poor projection for OSM. I don't know. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] bulletin
Ik heb de afgelopen periode ook niet veel tijd gehad (gemaakt) om het bulletin bij te werken, maar ik ga ook weer proberen mijn steentje bij te dragen. Gegroet, Frank Op 4 maart 2011 14:34 heeft Martijn van Exel mart...@geodan.nl het volgende geschreven: Hoi, Ik geef weer een zwengel aan het weekbulletin. Het is wel een hoop gezwengel. Ik vind het zelf leuk om te doen maar vind niet altijd de tijd. Nu weer wel, maar ik zie dat er al een paar weken bijna niks gebeurd is. Wat is de beste vorm hiervoor? Een onregelmatig bulletin? Gewoon posten op de blog zodra je iets te melden hebt? Misschien moeten we het blog laagdrempeliger maken (een posterousblog zoals opengeodata.org is - daar kun je gewoon naartoe mailen?) Ik ga nu in elk geval weer wat nieuwtjes posten :) -- Martijn van Exel Senior Researcher - Geodan SR President Kennedylaan 1 1079 MB Amsterdam (NL) - Tel: +31 (0)20 - 5711 318 Fax: +31 (0)20 - 5711 333 - E-mail: mart...@geodan.nl Website: www.geodan.nl KvK-nummer: 33 247475 Disclaimer: www.geodan.nl/disclaimer - ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] bulletin
On 7-3-2011 11:28, Frank Fesevur wrote: Ik heb de afgelopen periode ook niet veel tijd gehad (gemaakt) om het bulletin bij te werken, maar ik ga ook weer proberen mijn steentje bij te dragen. Ik had diverse dingen toegevoegd de afgelopen weken, maar ik zie dat er nu opeens een nieuw bulletin is uitgegeven, daarbij die vorige bijdragen overslaand (als 'nooit uitgegeven'). -- Lennard ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] Tag van de week
voor mij was ie nieuw, maar ik zat al een tijdje op zoiets te wachten. geen idee hoe lang het al bestaat: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:office ik had hem nodig voor een advocaat: office=lawyer uiteraard is het wel risicovol om te verwarren met de bestaande amenities en andere tags. groet, floris ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[Talk-br] como fazer mapa de rotas
Olá pessoal, estou querendo fazer um mapa de rotas de bicicletas desse tipo: http://www.ridethecity.com/ e to sem idéia de por onde começar. já tenho as rotas traçadas em um mapa de papel. estou georreferenciando as rotas (na verdade estou `desenhando as rotas no mapsource na ferramenta desenho de pista). a grande questão é que devo fazer para jogar elas no openstreetmap.org para poder pesquisar as rotas. eu vi que tem os programas específicos do OSM, não sei qual é o mais indicado para o meu objetivo. também queria aproveitar o trabalho e enviar as rotas para o projeto Track Source, daí queria saber qual a melhor forma de economizar trabalho. quem puder ajudar eu agradeço imensamente. abraços, Yuriê Brasília ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-de] State of the Map Europe - Registrierung gestartet
Hallo! Wir haben die Registrierung für die State of the Map Europe 2011 heute gestartet. Das ealy-bird Ticket für drei Tage kostet EUR 60,-, wir bitten um Bezahlung mit Banküberweisung (EU-Standardüberweisung oder SEPA-Überweisung z.B. aus der Schweiz). Bei Bezahlung via PayPal verrechnen wir EUR 63,-. Der Link zur Registrierung: https://sotm-eu.org/registration Wir haben bereits eine ganze Menge von Talk-Einreichungen bekommen (freut Euch auf Steve Coast, Muki Haklay, Steve Chilton, Mikel Maron, Jochen Topf, Marcel Hövelmann u.v.a. als Vortragende). Falls Du noch einen Vortrag einreichen möchtest: die Frist für den Call for Papers wurde bis 20. März verlängert! Die Liste der Talks werden wir bald danach veröffentlichen. Wir freuen uns auf Euer Kommen! Das SOTM-EU-Team ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Polygon geschlossen oder nicht ?
Danke Martin, kann ich aber leider nicht finden. Geht es bitte etwas genauer? Gruss Walter - 33,33% aller Statistiken beruhen auf kleinen Datenmengen. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/JOSM-Polygon-geschlossen-oder-nicht-tp6095012p6096455.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Polygon geschlossen oder nicht ?
Am 7. März 2011 09:17 schrieb Walter Nordmann walter.nordm...@web.de: Danke Martin, kann ich aber leider nicht finden. Geht es bitte etwas genauer? auf der rechten Seite unter Selection, ggf. musst Du es links mit den Schaltern einschalten. Das Icon wechselt von 3 nodes, offen zu 4 nodes, geschlossen, wenn man einen Way schliesst. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Polygon geschlossen oder nicht ?
tnx, mal wieder was neues gelernt ;) Gruss Walter - 33,33% aller Statistiken beruhen auf kleinen Datenmengen. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/JOSM-Polygon-geschlossen-oder-nicht-tp6095012p6096551.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Polygon geschlossen oder nicht ?
Am 7. März 2011 10:00 schrieb Walter Nordmann walter.nordm...@web.de: tnx, mal wieder was neues gelernt ;) das ist noch nicht allzulange implementiert... Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bilder in OSM
Hallo Walter, im URL steht doch schon alles drin (wo das Bild ist und wie es heisst, ...). Ja klar. Aber man kann dann nur ein Bild verlinken. Als Programmierer muss ich neue Keys in meine Software einbauen Um die lizenzrechtliche Verwendbarkeit herauszufinden brauchst Du Hintergrundinformation. Bei Commons beispielsweise kannst Du Dich darauf verlassen, dass dort die Bilder bereits geprüft sind. Ist es nicht einfacher, den Ursprung aus dem Schlüssel zu entnehmen? statt den Wert (URL) zu analysieren? Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Anfrage von Radio Bremen
Hallo Zusammen, Radio Bremen hat bei mir die Anfrage gestellt, ob folgendes Szenario kurzfristig (bis 21.03.) umsetzbar sei. Vielleicht kann jemand eine Idee aufzeigen, wie man das machen kann -- ansonsten wird's wohl mit G**gle geloest. Fuer ein Gewinnspiel auf der Seite von Radio Bremen soll eine interaktive Karte oder ein interaktiver Kartenausschnitt bereitgestellt werden, in den die Hoerer ohne *Authentifizierung* Punkte setzen koennen sollen. Dies kann eine selbst gehostete Loesung sein, oder ein Service ueber eine fremde Seite. Die fremde Seite soll nicht geschuetzt sein, so dass Leute auch zufaellig auf das Spiel aufmerksam werden koennen. Der Gedanke an Spammer ist Radio Bremen bewusst und sie wollen das organisatorisch loesen -- also durch regelmaessige Kontrolle der Eintraege. Gehen wir erstmal davon aus, dass alle Voraussetzungen für eine Loesung geschaffen werden koennen. Hat irgendjemand eine Idee? -- Grüße aus dem Ruhrgebeat Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bilder in OSM
Markus-2 wrote: Als Programmierer muss ich neue Keys in meine Software einbauen Um die lizenzrechtliche Verwendbarkeit herauszufinden brauchst Du Hintergrundinformation. Bei Commons beispielsweise kannst Du Dich darauf verlassen, dass dort die Bilder bereits geprüft sind. Ist es nicht einfacher, den Ursprung aus dem Schlüssel zu entnehmen? statt den Wert (URL) zu analysieren? Bitte keinen neuen/anderen Key, sondern maximal einen zusätzlichen Tag. Damit bleibt so eine Lösung kompatibel. - 33,33% aller Statistiken beruhen auf kleinen Datenmengen. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Bilder-in-OSM-tp6093941p6096716.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Anfrage von Radio Bremen
Am Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:03:51 +0100 schrieb Matthias Blazejak matth...@blazejak.de: Fuer ein Gewinnspiel auf der Seite von Radio Bremen soll eine interaktive Karte oder ein interaktiver Kartenausschnitt bereitgestellt werden, in den die Hoerer ohne *Authentifizierung* Punkte setzen koennen sollen. Dies kann eine selbst gehostete Loesung sein, oder ein Service ueber eine fremde Seite. Die fremde Seite soll nicht geschuetzt sein, so dass Leute auch zufaellig auf das Spiel aufmerksam werden koennen. Der Gedanke an Spammer ist Radio Bremen bewusst und sie wollen das organisatorisch loesen -- also durch regelmaessige Kontrolle der Eintraege. Gehen wir erstmal davon aus, dass alle Voraussetzungen für eine Loesung geschaffen werden koennen. Hat irgendjemand eine Idee? Ist nicht openstreetbugs so ziemlich das was die suchen? -- Hanno Böck mail/jabber: ha...@hboeck.de GPG: BBB51E42 http://www.hboeck.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Anfrage von Radio Bremen
Hallo Matthias, interaktive Karte in den die Hoerer Punkte setzen koennen i.S.v.: - hier gibt es eine Kneipe, die noch nicht in der Karte ist - hier habe ich einen Schatz versteckt - hier ist das Foto gemacht worden Sollen die Punkte in die OSM-DB? oder haben sie nur Gewinnspielfunktion? Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Anfrage von Radio Bremen
Danke für die Antwort! Am 07.03.2011 11:38, schrieb Markus: Hallo Matthias, interaktive Karte in den die Hoerer Punkte setzen koennen i.S.v.: - hier gibt es eine Kneipe, die noch nicht in der Karte ist - hier habe ich einen Schatz versteckt - hier ist das Foto gemacht worden Genau! Hier dann i.S.v.: Ich denke, dass hier der gesuchte Ort ist. Sollen die Punkte in die OSM-DB? oder haben sie nur Gewinnspielfunktion? Da das Tipps von den Hörern sind, haben die eher nichts in der DB zu suchen. Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de -- Grüße Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Anfrage von Radio Bremen
Danke für die Antwort! Am 07.03.2011 11:13, schrieb Hanno Böck: Am Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:03:51 +0100 schrieb Matthias Blazejak matth...@blazejak.de: Fuer ein Gewinnspiel auf der Seite von Radio Bremen soll eine interaktive Karte oder ein interaktiver Kartenausschnitt bereitgestellt werden, in den die Hoerer ohne *Authentifizierung* Punkte setzen koennen sollen. Dies kann eine selbst gehostete Loesung sein, oder ein Service ueber eine fremde Seite. Die fremde Seite soll nicht geschuetzt sein, so dass Leute auch zufaellig auf das Spiel aufmerksam werden koennen. Der Gedanke an Spammer ist Radio Bremen bewusst und sie wollen das organisatorisch loesen -- also durch regelmaessige Kontrolle der Eintraege. Gehen wir erstmal davon aus, dass alle Voraussetzungen für eine Loesung geschaffen werden koennen. Hat irgendjemand eine Idee? Ist nicht openstreetbugs so ziemlich das was die suchen? Grundsätzlich ja, ich denke, dass man am besten OpenLayers bemühen sollte. -- Grüße Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Anfrage von Radio Bremen
Hier nochmal ein konkreter Link mit dem Stand der Entwicklung bisher: http://www.unheimlicheorte.de Nicht ganz ein Gewinnspiel, aber ein Sammlung von unheimliche Orten. Am 07.03.2011 11:03, schrieb Matthias Blazejak: Hallo Zusammen, Radio Bremen hat bei mir die Anfrage gestellt, ob folgendes Szenario kurzfristig (bis 21.03.) umsetzbar sei. Vielleicht kann jemand eine Idee aufzeigen, wie man das machen kann -- ansonsten wird's wohl mit G**gle geloest. Fuer ein Gewinnspiel auf der Seite von Radio Bremen soll eine interaktive Karte oder ein interaktiver Kartenausschnitt bereitgestellt werden, in den die Hoerer ohne *Authentifizierung* Punkte setzen koennen sollen. Dies kann eine selbst gehostete Loesung sein, oder ein Service ueber eine fremde Seite. Die fremde Seite soll nicht geschuetzt sein, so dass Leute auch zufaellig auf das Spiel aufmerksam werden koennen. Der Gedanke an Spammer ist Radio Bremen bewusst und sie wollen das organisatorisch loesen -- also durch regelmaessige Kontrolle der Eintraege. Gehen wir erstmal davon aus, dass alle Voraussetzungen für eine Loesung geschaffen werden koennen. Hat irgendjemand eine Idee? -- Grüße Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Anfrage von Radio Bremen
Hallo Matthias, http://www.unheimlicheorte.de Schön gemacht. Wenn es sowas out of the box für OSM gäbe, kann ich mir viele Interessenten vorstellen: - Jugendgruppen - Bürgerinitiativen - Vereine - ... Punkte kommentiert und mit Bild über eine Web-Schnittstelle in eine DB eintragen und mit Popup-Fenster auf der Karte anzeigen: dafür gibt es tausende Szenarien. Gruss, Markus Nicht ganz ein Gewinnspiel, aber ein Sammlung von unheimliche Orten. Am 07.03.2011 11:03, schrieb Matthias Blazejak: Hallo Zusammen, Radio Bremen hat bei mir die Anfrage gestellt, ob folgendes Szenario kurzfristig (bis 21.03.) umsetzbar sei. Vielleicht kann jemand eine Idee aufzeigen, wie man das machen kann -- ansonsten wird's wohl mit G**gle geloest. Fuer ein Gewinnspiel auf der Seite von Radio Bremen soll eine interaktive Karte oder ein interaktiver Kartenausschnitt bereitgestellt werden, in den die Hoerer ohne *Authentifizierung* Punkte setzen koennen sollen. Dies kann eine selbst gehostete Loesung sein, oder ein Service ueber eine fremde Seite. Die fremde Seite soll nicht geschuetzt sein, so dass Leute auch zufaellig auf das Spiel aufmerksam werden koennen. Der Gedanke an Spammer ist Radio Bremen bewusst und sie wollen das organisatorisch loesen -- also durch regelmaessige Kontrolle der Eintraege. Gehen wir erstmal davon aus, dass alle Voraussetzungen für eine Loesung geschaffen werden koennen. Hat irgendjemand eine Idee? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Schutzgebiete (protected_area): zugehörigen Schlüssel ändern?
Hallo, bezüglich eines Tags gibt es einen m.E. nachvollziehbaren Einwand als irreführend/misleading: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area#Misleading_tag_names protect_id sollte echten Bezeichnern (IDs) vorbehalten bleiben. Damit wären die bisher vergebenen protect_id umzunennen (in protect_type). protect_id könnte man dann z.B. als Bezeichner zum direkten Aufruf per Url nutzen ... Was haltet ihr davon? Und: kann das ggf. jemand machen? Sprich: ändere alle protect_id die in Verbindung mit protected_area gesetzt wurden und im Zahlenraum 1 bis 99 liegen. (einige protect_id liegen außerhalb diese Bereichs und müssen nat. so bleiben). Dann könnte ich protect_id entsprechend in der o.g. wiki ändern. Danke, viele Grüße, t. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Zeichen 250, Privatweg, Anlieger frei
Hallo, heute bin ich kurz hintereinander an drei Wegen vorbeigekommen die an der Straße beschildert waren mit Zeichen 250 _in_ das geschrieben war Privatweg Anlieger frei Es geht dort je an den Hauseingängen zweier Häuser vorbei zu einem dritten und sie haben die Breite eines Autos. Wie würdet ihr das taggen? highway=service, vehicle=destination Wo kommt da der Privatweg ins Spiel? Rolf ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeichen 250, Privatweg, Anlieger frei
Am Montag, 7. März 2011, um 15:37:02 schrieb Rolf Bode-Meyer: Wie würdet ihr das taggen? highway=service, vehicle=destination Wo kommt da der Privatweg ins Spiel? access=private Gruß, Bernd -- Das Leben ist wie eine Toilettenbrille: Man macht viel durch, aber auch so manches geht daneben. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Deutsche Übersetzung Nomantim und Webseite
Hallo ! Mir sind 2 Dinge aufgefallen und ich hoffe das einer diese Fehler beseitigen könnte. Fall a) Wenn ich auf http://www.openstreetmap.com die Deutsche Hauptseite bekomme und links im Menü auf Dokumentation klicke, dann lande ich im englischen Wiki anstelle des Deutschen. b) Suche ich eine Wohngebietsstraße in Nominatim wie z.b. bahnhofstraße, Lemgo, dann erhalte ich als Ausgabe: Ortsgebiet Bahnhofstraße, Brake, Lemgo, Lippe, Regierungsbezirk . Es hat einer für highway=residential und landuse=residential die gleiche Übersetzung eingepflegt. Ich habe keine Ahnung wo mann den Fall a) lösen kann und Fall b) erfordert einen speziellen Übersetzungs-Wiki Account den man erst beantragen muss.Der Aufwand für eine Änderung erscheint mir allerdings zu extrem, vielleicht hat schon jemand dort einen Account ? Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeichen 250, Privatweg, Anlieger frei
Am 7. März 2011 15:43 schrieb Bernd Wurst be...@bwurst.org: Am Montag, 7. März 2011, um 15:37:02 schrieb Rolf Bode-Meyer: Wie würdet ihr das taggen? highway=service, vehicle=destination Wo kommt da der Privatweg ins Spiel? access=private Also einfach das strikteste der aufgeführen Beschränkungen setzen und dabei ignorieren dass 250 nur Fahrzeuge betrifft? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeichen 250, Privatweg, Anlieger frei
Am 7. März 2011 15:43 schrieb Bernd Wurst be...@bwurst.org: Am Montag, 7. März 2011, um 15:37:02 schrieb Rolf Bode-Meyer: Wie würdet ihr das taggen? highway=service, vehicle=destination Wo kommt da der Privatweg ins Spiel? access=private -1 Fußgänger nicht, Fahrzeuge mit Anliegen? m.E. reicht das vehicle=destination aus. Der Privatweg hat nicht grundsätzlich mit access zu tun, sondern sagt aus, dass die Straße nicht der Öffentlichkeit gehört (und in diesem Fall nur dann mit Fahrzeugen befahren werden darf, wenn man ein Anliegen hat). Ein Verbot access=private nur dann setzen, wenn da steht: Zutritt verboten oder ähnliches (oder ein Tor da ist). Privatwege müssen oft zugänglich sein (Wegelast), obwohl sie nicht der Öffentlichkeit gehören. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] U-Turn via einen Way
On 06.03.11 17:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: ich sehe da gar keinen U-Turn. Wenn Links-Abbiegen und Umkehren gleichermaßen erlaubt oder verboten ist, brauchst Du das Konstrukt nicht. Es wäre aber denkbar, daß das Links-Abbiegen erlaubt, das Umkehren aber verboten ist. Dann kannst Du das IMO nur so darstellen. Servus, Andreas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] U-Turn via einen Way
Am 7. März 2011 16:44 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: On 06.03.11 17:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: ich sehe da gar keinen U-Turn. Wenn Links-Abbiegen und Umkehren gleichermaßen erlaubt oder verboten ist, brauchst Du das Konstrukt nicht. Es wäre aber denkbar, daß das Links-Abbiegen erlaubt, das Umkehren aber verboten ist. Dann kannst Du das IMO nur so darstellen. wenn das Umkehren auf dem Way verboten ist entspricht das doch einem Wendeverbot, man bräuchte also eigentlich gar keine Relation. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeichen 250, Privatweg, Anlieger frei
Rolf Bode-Meyer schrieb am 07.03.2011 16:16: Also einfach das strikteste der aufgeführen Beschränkungen setzen und dabei ignorieren dass 250 nur Fahrzeuge betrifft? Da steht aber kein echtes Zeichen 250 sondern eins, dass von Anwohnern selbst aufgestellt und modifiziert worden ist. Ich denke schon, dass die Interpretation access=privat fuer diesen Fall passt. Denn letztendlich haben die Anwohner das Schild aufgestellt, um auszudruecken, dass sie a) dort Hausrecht haben und b) man da nicht lang soll. Ich glaube nicht, dass sie dabei grossartige Ueberlegungen angestellt haben, dass Zeichen 250 eigentlich nur fuer Fahrzeuge gilt. Und ich denke auch nicht, dass man aus der nicht STVO-konformen Beschilderung ein Nutzungsrecht fuer Fussgaenger ableiten kann. Gruss Torsten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] U-Turn via einen Way
Moin, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Am 5. März 2011 18:58 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: On 05.03.11 16:47, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Ich habe im Hilfeforum gelesen, dass man U-Turns auch über einen Way anstatt einen Node machen kann, aber wann macht das denn Sinn? Ich sehe bei einer Kreuzung, wo ein Zweig mit getrennten Ways je Fahrtrichtung gemappt sind (und somit ein Stückchen der querenden Straße die Kreuzung darstellt), keinen andere Möglichkeit, dieses no-U-turn darzustellen. C | -+... A | -+... B | D ich sehe da gar keinen U-Turn. Dann nochmal zur Verdeutlichung: angenommen, ich fahre auf dem oberen Weg von rechts nach links, dann darf ich entweder links abbiegen in die Querstraße oder nicht (turn-restriction). Ist im konkreten Fall erlaubt. Von A nach D! Also darf am oberen Kreuzungspunkt keine Restriction stehen. Wenn ich dann an der Gegenrichtung ankomme, darf ich entweder links abbiegen oder nicht (turnrestriction). Ist im konkreten Fall erlaubt. Aber nur von C nach B! Also darf am unteren Kreuzungspunkt keine Restriction stehen. Aber von A nach B ist im konkreten Fall per Schild verboten (U-Turn). Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] U-Turn via einen Way
Moin, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb: wenn das Umkehren auf dem Way verboten ist entspricht das doch einem Wendeverbot, man bräuchte also eigentlich gar keine Relation. jetzt steh ich auf dem Schlauch? :-\ Wie willst Du das Wendeverbot bei getrennten Fahrbahnen angeben, die ja unabhängig voneinander als 2 ways gemappt sind? Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] U-Turn via einen Way
Am 7. März 2011 17:42 schrieb Georg Feddern o...@bavarianmallet.de: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb: wenn das Umkehren auf dem Way verboten ist entspricht das doch einem Wendeverbot, man bräuchte also eigentlich gar keine Relation. jetzt steh ich auf dem Schlauch? :-\ Wie willst Du das Wendeverbot bei getrennten Fahrbahnen angeben, die ja unabhängig voneinander als 2 ways gemappt sind? nein, es geht um die Verbindung zwischen den beiden, die ein Way ist. Bei getrennten Fahrbahnen muss man gar nichts machen, das sind ja sowieso Einbahnstraßen. Eigentlich geht es mir darum, dass via als Node immer ausreicht, soweit ich das im Moment überblicke. Wenn es doch Stellen gibt, wo es ein way sein muss, dann würde mich das interessieren. Der way macht m.E. Probleme, wenn man ihn danach nochmal weiter aufsplitten muss (oder man hat dann halt mehrere Via-Wege). Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeichen 250, Privatweg, Anlieger frei
Am 7. März 2011 17:11 schrieb Torsten Leistikow de_m...@gmx.de: Rolf Bode-Meyer schrieb am 07.03.2011 16:16: Ich denke schon, dass die Interpretation access=privat fuer diesen Fall passt. Denn letztendlich haben die Anwohner das Schild aufgestellt, um auszudruecken, dass sie a) dort Hausrecht haben und b) man da nicht lang soll. Ich glaube nicht, dass sie dabei grossartige Ueberlegungen angestellt haben, dass Zeichen 250 eigentlich nur fuer Fahrzeuge gilt. ich wäre mir nicht so sicher, dass man selbst an einer Privatstraße einfach mal so Verkehrsschilder aufstellen darf, ohne sich mit den Behörden dazu abzustimmen. Und ich denke auch nicht, dass man aus der nicht STVO-konformen Beschilderung ein Nutzungsrecht fuer Fussgaenger ableiten kann. Darum ging es mir auch nicht, es ging darum, dass Fußgängerverkehr u.U. vom Besitzer geduldet werden muss, auch wenn ihm die Straße gehört. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeichen 250, Privatweg, Anlieger frei
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb am 07.03.2011 19:50: ich wäre mir nicht so sicher, dass man selbst an einer Privatstraße einfach mal so Verkehrsschilder aufstellen darf, ohne sich mit den Behörden dazu abzustimmen. Das kann man wohl so pauschal auch nicht sagen (mal ganz abgesehen davon, dass es sich hierbei ja auch um kein echtes sondern um ein abgewandeltes Verkehrsschild handelt). Tatsache ist aber, dass das Schild da steht. Ob zu Recht oder nicht, koennen wir nicht wissen und brauchen wir auch nicht entscheiden. Darum ging es mir auch nicht, es ging darum, dass Fußgängerverkehr u.U. vom Besitzer geduldet werden muss, auch wenn ihm die Straße gehört. Es kann natuerlich sein, dass der Besitzer theoretisch Fussgaengerverkehr dulden muesste. Aber m.E. soll das Schild ausdruecken, dass er z.Z. keinen Fussgaengerverkehr duldet. Bei einem Gebaeude tragen wir ja auch nicht ein, ob das rechtmaessig erbaut worden ist, sondern wir tragen ein, dass es da ist. Also ist die Frage hier auch nicht, ob der Eigentuemer das Schild zu Rech aufgestellt hat, sondern was das Schild bedeutet. Gruss Torsten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeichen 250, Privatweg, Anlieger frei
Am 7. März 2011 20:42 schrieb Torsten Leistikow de_m...@gmx.de: Darum ging es mir auch nicht, es ging darum, dass Fußgängerverkehr u.U. vom Besitzer geduldet werden muss, auch wenn ihm die Straße gehört. Es kann natuerlich sein, dass der Besitzer theoretisch Fussgaengerverkehr dulden muesste. Aber m.E. soll das Schild ausdruecken, dass er z.Z. keinen Fussgaengerverkehr duldet. was meinst Du mit soll ausdrücken ? Wenn er nicht will, dass Fussgänger den Weg benutzen, und dazu auch nicht verpflichtet ist, dann kann er das ja da hinschreiben. (Z.B. Durchgang für Fußgänger verboten). Das hat er aber nicht getan. Darum sollten wir auch nicht in unsere Daten eintragen was er vielleicht gemeint haben könnte, sondern, was er öffentlich erklärt hat (per Schild): keine Fahrzeuge ausser Anlieger. Bei einem Gebaeude tragen wir ja auch nicht ein, ob das rechtmaessig erbaut worden ist, sondern wir tragen ein, dass es da ist. Also ist die Frage hier auch nicht, ob der Eigentuemer das Schild zu Rech aufgestellt hat, sondern was das Schild bedeutet. ja eben. Für Fußgänger bedeutet Z.250 genau gar nichts. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Deutsche Übersetzung Nomantim und Webseite
Am 07.03.2011 16:14, Matthias Versen: Mir sind 2 Dinge aufgefallen und ich hoffe das einer diese Fehler beseitigen könnte. Fall a) Wenn ich auf http://www.openstreetmap.com die Deutsche Hauptseite bekomme und links im Menü auf Dokumentation klicke, dann lande ich im englischen Wiki anstelle des Deutschen. Habe ich hier behoben: http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Osm:Layouts.wiki_url/deaction=editloadgroup=out-osm-siteloadtask=optional Das muss jetzt nur noch auf die Live-Seite geladen werden, worum ich mich im Laufe der Woche kümmern werdne. b) Suche ich eine Wohngebietsstraße in Nominatim wie z.b. bahnhofstraße, Lemgo, dann erhalte ich als Ausgabe: Ortsgebiet Bahnhofstraße, Brake, Lemgo, Lippe, Regierungsbezirk . Es hat einer für highway=residential und landuse=residential die gleiche Übersetzung eingepflegt. Fall b) erfordert einen speziellen Übersetzungs-Wiki Account den man erst beantragen muss. Wo gibt es denn die Nominatim-Übersetzung? Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
2011/3/7 Giacomo Boschi gwil...@email.it: - La lista di persone è limitata all'ultimo che ha modificato un oggetto si, quello è una limitazione perché costa troppo di fare per ogni oggetto la ricerca su tutte le revisioni. Si pensa di fare questo a richiesta, ma finora si è deciso di non offrire questa opzione per non usare troppo la db principale. - Il pulsante carica condizioni utente mi manda alla pagina utente, quindi sono sempre al punto di partenza. è il buttone a destra (forse un problema nella versione italiana? In inglese funziona). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
-Original Message- From: Giacomo Boschi [mailto:gwil...@email.it] Sent: domenica 6 marzo 2011 9.45 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL? Conosco la pagina con gli user id che hanno accettato il cambio di licenza, ma come faccio, partendo dalla pagina di un utente, a sapere se ha accettato o meno la nuova licenza? Per un singolo utente, se inserisci lo username in questa pagina [1] puoi vedere sull'ultima riga se ha accettato la licenza. [1] http://hdyc.neis-one.org Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
-Original Message- From: M?rtin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] Sent: lunedì 7 marzo 2011 10.02 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL? si, quello una limitazione perch costa troppo di fare per ogni oggetto la ricerca su tutte le revisioni. Si pensa di fare questo a richiesta, ma finora si deciso di non offrire questa opzione per non usare troppo la db principale. Penso che quello che interessi di più non sia tanto sapere per ogni singolo revisore se ha accettato o meno, quanto sapere se ne esiste almeno uno che non ha accettato, perché questo è sufficiente affinchè tutte le ulteriori revisioni vengano perse. Si potrebbe offrire un'opzione per conoscere solo questa informazione. Così, partendo a controllare dal primo revisore, si può fermare la ricerca appena si trova un revisore che non ha accettato, evitando di usare ulteriormente il db. Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
Il 07/03/2011 11:23, Alberto Nogaro ha scritto: Penso che quello che interessi di più non sia tanto sapere per ogni singolo revisore se ha accettato o meno, quanto sapere se ne esiste almeno uno che non ha accettato, perché questo è sufficiente affinchè tutte le ulteriori revisioni vengano perse. Si potrebbe offrire un'opzione per conoscere solo questa informazione. Così, partendo a controllare dal primo revisore, si può fermare la ricerca appena si trova un revisore che non ha accettato, evitando di usare ulteriormente il db. Esatto: è quello che fa il programmino che ho scritto e del quale ne parlavo un mesetto fa. Dice per ogni oggetto l'ultimo numero della revisione odbl compilant (zero se l'autore non ha accettato la nuova licenza). Per fare questo si basa sui dati provenienti da un full planet inseriti in un database locale ad hoc. Se voi ti posso far avere qualcosa, almeno per una zona che ti interessa particolarmente. Ciao Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
2011/3/7 Stefano de Fabris defa...@gmail.com: Esatto: è quello che fa il programmino che ho scritto e del quale ne parlavo un mesetto fa. Dice per ogni oggetto l'ultimo numero della revisione odbl compilant (zero se l'autore non ha accettato la nuova licenza). secondome è troppo poco. AFAIK non è ancora deciso come si passa in dettaglio alla nuova licenza. Esempi: Metti che un utente (NA=notaccepted) inserisce un nodo in un way esistente. Dopo un altro utente (A=accepted) aggiunge altri tags al way. Perché dovremmo perdere i tags del utente A? Oppure un utente NA mette il nome ad una strada senza nome, ma dopo un utente A corregge il nome perchè era sbagliato. Non penso che dobbiamo tornare alla versione senza nome. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
2011/3/7 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Oppure un utente NA mette il nome ad una strada senza nome, ma dopo un utente A corregge il nome perchè era sbagliato. Non penso che dobbiamo tornare alla versione senza nome. Il problema è che il database di OSM contiene qualche milione di oggetti, analizzare a mano la history di ciascuno è improponibile... O si riesce a stabilire un algoritmo per decidere cosa migrare e cosa no, o non si riesce a fare il cambio di licenza. Cosa vuol dire corregge il nome perché era sbagliato? A. L'utente NA mette il nome Strada regionale 1, l'utente A corregge in Strada Regionale 1 B. L'utente NA mette il nome Strada regionale 1, l'utente A corregge in Strada regionale 2 Nel caso A. l'utente A sta chiaramente facendo una versione derivata di quanto fatto dall'utente NA. Nel caso B. la faccenda è meno chiara. Ma distinguere i due casi con un algoritmo... Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
2011/3/7 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: 2011/3/7 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Oppure un utente NA mette il nome ad una strada senza nome, ma dopo un utente A corregge il nome perchè era sbagliato. Non penso che dobbiamo tornare alla versione senza nome. Il problema è che il database di OSM contiene qualche milione di oggetti, analizzare a mano la history di ciascuno è improponibile... invece è stato proposto: un approccio cloud per fare questo. O si riesce a stabilire un algoritmo per decidere cosa migrare e cosa no, o non si riesce a fare il cambio di licenza. vediamo. Ci sarà sicuramente anche un algoritmo. Cosa vuol dire corregge il nome perché era sbagliato? A. L'utente NA mette il nome Strada regionale 1, l'utente A corregge in Strada Regionale 1 B. L'utente NA mette il nome Strada regionale 1, l'utente A corregge in Strada regionale 2 Nel caso A. l'utente A sta chiaramente facendo una versione derivata di quanto fatto dall'utente NA. Nel caso B. la faccenda è meno chiara. secondome il caso B è chiarissimo: non c'è più niente del utente NA. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
2011/3/7 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Il problema è che il database di OSM contiene qualche milione di oggetti, analizzare a mano la history di ciascuno è improponibile... invece è stato proposto: un approccio cloud per fare questo. Mah ci stiamo mettendo 2 anni per cambiare la licenza, vorrei che non ci volessero 5 anni per migrare i dati... vediamo. Ci sarà sicuramente anche un algoritmo. Cosa vuol dire corregge il nome perché era sbagliato? A. L'utente NA mette il nome Strada regionale 1, l'utente A corregge in Strada Regionale 1 B. L'utente NA mette il nome Strada regionale 1, l'utente A corregge in Strada regionale 2 Nel caso A. l'utente A sta chiaramente facendo una versione derivata di quanto fatto dall'utente NA. Nel caso B. la faccenda è meno chiara. secondome il caso B è chiarissimo: non c'è più niente del utente NA. Esatto. Ma distinguere i casi A e B con un algoritmo è molto difficile. Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
Il 07/03/2011 11:47, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: Esatto: è quello che fa il programmino che ho scritto e del quale ne parlavo un mesetto fa. Dice per ogni oggetto l'ultimo numero della revisione odbl compilant (zero se l'autore non ha accettato la nuova licenza). secondome è troppo poco. AFAIK non è ancora deciso come si passa in dettaglio alla nuova licenza. +1000 Non volevo generare flames. Tanto per chiarire il mio approccio è il seguente: analizzo la history di un oggetto. La history dei nodi dipende solo dal nodo stesso. La history dei percorsi dipende dalla history dell percorso E dalla history di ogni singolo nodo che la compone. Idem per le relations. Il programma DISTINGUE se l'oggetto in se è ODBL e se tutti gli oggetti che lo compongono sono ODBL. Io volevo iniziare a discutere del programmino (che fa ANCHE altre cose, sempre relative al cambio licenza) dopo il 1 aprile, in modo da agire su un database nel quale gli utenti nonODBL non ci potranno + metterci le mani. Tanto per darvi un'idea il software permette, oltre al resto, una volta chiariti i criteri di migrazione alla nuova licenza, di ricavare l'aspetto grafico della mappa ripulita. E' OVVIO che finché non ci sarà una proposta ufficiale di algoritmo ogni discussione è, imho, abbastanza inutile. Ciao Stefano ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Confini Municipali di Roma
Ho appena completato la mappatura dei confini municipali con annesse relazioni, che ho racconto in una relazione madre. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1458221 ciao, Davide -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Confini-Municipali-di-Roma-tp6087939p6098520.html Sent from the Italy mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Confini Municipali di Roma
2011/3/7 Madeco davide@gmail.com: Ho appena completato la mappatura dei confini municipali con annesse relazioni, che ho racconto in una relazione madre. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1458221 Davide, fantastico. Ottimo lavoro, stavo già notando tutti i confini come apparivano sulla mappa! L'unico dubbio che ho è sulla relazione madre. Quella non è semplicemente tutto il confine di Roma? quindi: type=multipolygon (oppure boundary, uguale) boundary=administrative admin_level=8 name=Comune di Roma con i vari municipi role=outer il nodo di Roma (vicino campidoglio) con ruolo admin_centre http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:boundary non sono sicuro di questo, perché non ho mai creato relazioni del tipo boundary. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Confini Municipali di Roma
Così però si creerebbe una copia identica dell'attuale relazione Roma che delimita i confini comunali. l limite potrei inserire le relazioni dei municipi all'interno della relazione Roma, dipendendo direttamente da essa. Ciao, davide -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Confini-Municipali-di-Roma-tp6087939p6099011.html Sent from the Italy mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Confini Municipali di Roma
2011/3/7 Madeco davide@gmail.com: Così però si creerebbe una copia identica dell'attuale relazione Roma che delimita i confini comunali. l limite potrei inserire le relazioni dei municipi all'interno della relazione Roma, dipendendo direttamente da essa. si, chiaro, intendevo di cancellare quella versione antica ma è meglio mettere i membri dalla nuova relazione madre nella vecchia relazione Roma. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappiamo opening_hours
Alessio Zanol wrote: Beh così su due piedi non posso saperlo :) Linka qualche nodo che non ti compare così vediamo quale sia il problema! Ad esempio questi: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/659630594 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/659630546 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/653001401 Grazie se hai voglia di indagare... Inoltre ho notato che il Map Features Script di Query-to-map (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Query-to-map) non funziona per la chiave opening_hours. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Mappiamo-opening-hours-tp6091598p6099581.html Sent from the Italy mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-lt] Darom susitikima?
2011-03-07 Darius Žitkevičius: Gal bandau konkrečiau. Rytoj (antradienį) turiu Vilniuj susitikimą 17 val. Būtu smagu prie to pačio sutikti gyvų bendraminčių :) Kaip suprantu, čia „su -“ argumentas, nes ne kiekvieną dieną Vilniuje būni, ar ne? Tai aš tada pasirašau. Kokią valandą baigsis tavo susitikimas? Kadangi taip ir nebuvo kitų vietų pasiūlymų, tai aš tada pasiūlysiu arba Bambalynę (čia visada ramu - galima susišnekėti): http://openmap.lt/?zoom=18lat=54.6799lon=25.28651layers=B00FFFTF Bermuduose rytoj karaokė, alaus namuose šiaip pastoviai triukšminga. Žodžiu abu netinka. Dar yra „Balti drambliai“: http://openmap.lt/?zoom=18lat=54.68164lon=25.28061layers=B00FFFTF Mano pasiūlymai nereiškia, kad negalima siūlyti kitų vietų (svarbu ne maksima ar akropolis) :) -- Tomas Straupis ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-lt] Darom susitikima?
As manau, kad tikrai reikia prisitaikyti prie Dariaus atvykimo. Bambalyne, ok, bet buti neteko. Svarbiausia,kad stalas didelis butu ir padavejos neikyrios:)) Na ir wifi nepamaisytu:))) Kukliai cia. P.s.: Tomas surase klausimus beveik vienas prie vieno kaip as buciau surases:))) 2011 m. kovas 7 d. 15:07, Tomas Straupis tomasstrau...@gmail.com rašė: 2011-03-07 Darius Žitkevičius: Gal bandau konkrečiau. Rytoj (antradienį) turiu Vilniuj susitikimą 17 val. Būtu smagu prie to pačio sutikti gyvų bendraminčių :) Kaip suprantu, čia „su -“ argumentas, nes ne kiekvieną dieną Vilniuje būni, ar ne? Tai aš tada pasirašau. Kokią valandą baigsis tavo susitikimas? Kadangi taip ir nebuvo kitų vietų pasiūlymų, tai aš tada pasiūlysiu arba Bambalynę (čia visada ramu - galima susišnekėti): http://openmap.lt/?zoom=18lat=54.6799lon=25.28651layers=B00FFFTF Bermuduose rytoj karaokė, alaus namuose šiaip pastoviai triukšminga. Žodžiu abu netinka. Dar yra „Balti drambliai“: http://openmap.lt/?zoom=18lat=54.68164lon=25.28061layers=B00FFFTF Mano pasiūlymai nereiškia, kad negalima siūlyti kitų vietų (svarbu ne maksima ar akropolis) :) -- Tomas Straupis ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-lt] Darom susitikima?
Darom On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 10:59:56PM +0200, Dirbam Osm wrote: manau, metas susirinkti. Aptartume visokius idomius klausimus. Kovo 25-27 d. į Vilnių gali atvažiuot Baltarusijos OSM pasižymėjęs veikėjas Komяpa (tas, kuris latlog.org), klausia, ar būtų norinčių susitikt rusikai kalbančių OSMerių. Darom meetą ta proga? Albertas ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-lt] Ribos
Nėra, tiesiog tose vietose buvo bandomi visokie žymėjimo variantai. Labas Žiūrinėju latlon klaidų sąrašus. http://stat.latlon.org/lt/latest/warnings.html Ten rodomi va tokie keliai: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4869903 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/6081076 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/6081078 ir pan. kaip „neuždaryti“. Tikriausiai todėl, kad yra žymos „boundary“. Kaip suprantu, tas žymas galima išmesti, nes jos yra atitinkamuose relationuose? Ar yra kokių priežasčių, kodėl reikėtų palikti boundary (ir admin_level) ant pačių kelių, o ne relationų? -- Tomas ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-lt] highway=bridleway
On 2011.03.07 14:45, Tomas Straupis wrote: Sveiki Norėčiau pastebėti, kad highway=bridleway - kelias ARKLIAMS :-D P.S. Mapnike matosi kaip žalias punktyras. Gan populiarus Kaune... Tomai, o galima way id bent kelių tokių pavyzdžių gauti? Nes aš specialiai paėmiau pagal Kauno ribą parsisiunčiau duomenų exportą [iš http://78.46.81.38/#section.download_area , 2011-03-06T01:23:02Z, ref=3600974219] ir ten nė vieno bridleway'aus neradau. Žemėlapyje irgi į akis nekrenta. :-// -- Aidas Kasparas ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-lt] Darom susitikima?
Man bus pokalbis dėl darbo tiksliai nežinau kiek užtruksiu. Darom 18 val. jei pavėluosiu gal labai skaudžiai nemušit :) 2011 m. kovas 7 d. 17:05, ies...@ramuno.lt rašė: Darom On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 10:59:56PM +0200, Dirbam Osm wrote: manau, metas susirinkti. Aptartume visokius idomius klausimus. Kovo 25-27 d. į Vilnių gali atvažiuot Baltarusijos OSM pasižymėjęs veikėjas Komяpa (tas, kuris latlog.org), klausia, ar būtų norinčių susitikt rusikai kalbančių OSMerių. Darom meetą ta proga? Albertas ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt -- Darius Žitkevičius Krikščionis turi saugotis matematikų ir visų tų, kurie skelbia netikras pranašystes... Šv. Augustinas (354-430) ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-se] import av naturreservat
Hej, Jag har nu importerat naturreservaten i alla län som inte redan var importerade. En sammanställning kan ses här: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Sweden/Nature_conservation Angående dubbletter så gjorde jag en snabb koll genom varje län när jag importerade men har säkert missat en del. Så jag håller med föregående mejlskrivare att om ni upptäcker fel/dubbletter så rätta gärna till dem. :) //Joel Peter Svensson skrev 2011-03-07 10:51: Jag noterar att det (äntligen, tack!) importerats lite naturreservat här i Östergötland med omnejd. Dessvärre fanns det redan vissa reservat mappade sedan tidigare, och vissa dubbletter har uppstått. Jag har fixat de jag hittat i mitt närområde. Vänligen kika över om det dykt upp ytterligare dubbletter på naturreservat: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/leojth/edits mvh ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-es] Línea de costa en Canarias.
Parece que al fin voy a tener que ponerme en serio con JOSM... Nada, a lo largo de esta semana me lo instalaré, y luego cruzaremos los dedos... El fin de semana ya te diré algo, un saludo. 2011/3/6 Javier Sanchez javiers...@gmail.com ¡Bienísimo! He puesto en el apartado 'Conversión' de la wiki comentada antes un archivo OSM para la costa Corine de cada isla. También tienes en http://javiersanp.dhis.org/clcimport/costa.osm.zip la línea de costa OSM bajada hoy de Geofabrik. El trabajo consitiría en subir ambos (Corine y OSM) en sendas capas de Josm, junto con el WMS de la OrtoExpress. Si decides reemplazar un tramo de costa OSM con los datos de Corine, lo cortas y lo pasas a la otra capa (Shift+M), lo reemplazas por el original en las relaciones en las que este participe. Mucho ojo con lo que hacemos, no vayamos a provocar una inundación :) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Coastline_error_checker Te he anotado Gran Canaria en la Wiki. Si te animas con alguna otra isla, apúntate en el apartado 'Enfoque'. Para subir los datos usa el usuario CLC-ES-06 y contraseña corinedelosreyesmagos. Un saludo. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Linea-de-costa-en-Canarias-tp6094167p6095051.html Sent from the Spain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Jonay ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Costa
El día 7 de marzo de 2011 08:28, Juan Luis Rodriguez jlrodrig...@emergya.es escribió: ¿Hay algun motivo especial? Parece ser que la línea de costa puede tardar hasta algunas semanas en aparecer actualizada en Mapnik [1] . Meditar es según los filósofos clásicos griegos la única forma de llegar a la verdad. Meditando, pues, he llegado a la conclusión de que deben ser datos que varían poco y por tanto merecen poca atención de actualización. Tags: Filosofia, Grecia, Clasicismo, OSM, costa, actualizaciones :-) -- Roberto Plà http://robertopla.net/ ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Línea de costa en Canarias.
El 7 de marzo de 2011 09:59, Jonay Santana jonay.sant...@gmail.comescribió: Parece que al fin voy a tener que ponerme en serio con JOSM... Nada, a lo largo de esta semana me lo instalaré, y luego cruzaremos los dedos... El fin de semana ya te diré algo, un saludo. http://ivan.sanchezortega.es/fronteras_osm.html A mí me sirvió de mucha ayuda este enlace de Iván... Saludos!! ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] Duda con parque natural y boques
Hola, este fin de semana he estado usando los mapas del parque natural del Montseny y veo que esta marcada toda la zona que limita el parque , pero no hay el bosque.Seria correcto añadir el bosque como se ha hecho en el resto de la peninsula? Saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Línea de costa en Canarias.
Hola Una cosa Jonay. No utilices el fichero costa.osm.zip que te decía. Al contener todas las islas puede provocar conflictos con otras partes ya subidas. Es mejor que descargues del servidor datos por tramos de costa que vayas a revisar. Un saludo. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Linea-de-costa-en-Canarias-tp6094167p6099168.html Sent from the Spain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Duda con parque natural y boques
Hola El polígono del parque está marcado con etiquetas de bosque, como si el 100% de su superficie fuera bosque. Supongo que por eso quedó excluido en la importación que hizo Oscar. Un saludo. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Duda-con-parque-natural-y-boques-tp6099083p6099236.html Sent from the Spain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-at] State of the Map Europe - Registrierung gestartet
Hallo! Wir haben die Registrierung für die State of the Map Europe 2011 heute gestartet. Das ealy-bird Ticket für drei Tage kostet EUR 60,-, wir bitten um Bezahlung mit Banküberweisung (EU-Standardüberweisung oder SEPA-Überweisung z.B. aus der Schweiz). Bei Bezahlung via PayPal verrechnen wir EUR 63,-. Der Link zur Registrierung: https://sotm-eu.org/registration Wir haben bereits eine ganze Menge von Talk-Einreichungen bekommen (freut Euch auf Steve Coast, Muki Haklay, Steve Chilton, Mikel Maron, Jochen Topf, Marcel Hövelmann u.v.a. als Vortragende). Falls Du noch einen Vortrag einreichen möchtest: die Frist für den Call for Papers wurde bis 20. März verlängert! Die Liste der Talks werden wir bald danach veröffentlichen. Wir freuen uns auf Euer Kommen! Das SOTM-EU-Team ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-pt] Categorização das estradas e ruas
Viva! Na página: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Estradas, indicada no email anterior, existem links para as Estradas de Portugal, que não funcionam. É possível indicar se ainda são válidos? Já agora, que informação contém esses links ? Obrigado, Eduardo 2011/2/28 f.dos.san...@free.fr Eduardo Ramalho eduardo.rama...@gmail.com: Viva! Começei há pouco tempo a capturar as ruas da cidade de Ermesinde. Tenho me guiado pelas fotos presentes nesta página: ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features) para saber como as categorizar. Mesmo assim, fico na dúvida. Acabo por as definir sempre como ruas urbanas. Qual é o critério que usam para indicar que é uma estrada principal, secundária dentro de cidades ? É se começar por ENxxx ou Mxxx ? Avenidas grandes com duas faixas dentro da cidade, o que são? (ruas urbanas ?) Obrigado e cumprimentos, Eduardo Ramalho Bem vindo, A página portuguesa está aqui : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Estradas Numa cidade quase todas as ruas ficam em highway=residential, é mesmo assim. So as estradas maior (grandes avenidas) de grande circulaçao é que faz ligaçao com outras cidades vao ter uma classificacao primary o secondary o tertiary. Francisco ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt ___ Talk-pt mailing list Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt
Re: [Talk-ca] Here we go again...
On 2011-Mar-06, at 9:15 AM, Samuel Longiaru wrote: Hi Dan, Your procedure sounds pretty similar to mine, and working around Kamloops likely is equivalent in terms of the kinds of features we see. It's nice to see that the method I've been following isn't totally out in left field :-) You probably do this as well, but before running the validator, I step around the edge of the import and connect streams, powerlines, and anything else that I think needs connecting. The auto-fix on duplicate nodes just seems to merge the nodes but doesn't combine the ways. As you, I very rarely have found the need to import a road as previous GeoBase or other imports have already provided the same information. Earlier on in my editing, I hadn't thought of connecting features around the edge of an import, though I've been trying to do it lately. One of these days, I'm going to have to go back to areas I already worked on, to do exactly that. I simplify some features as well (streams and some lake shorelines mostly) but I try to remember to simplify before merging the selection onto the OSM layer. Simplifying later often gives the warning that you are deleting nodes outside the uploaded data area. If I get a conflict, this is where it happens. I hadn't been paying much attention to where I did the simplification - thanks for the tip! I'll be sure to do it before merging into my working OSM layer, and see if that helps. You do, however, seem to have much better luck than I have had on failed imports. On 4 or 5 different occasions, an upload has hung (sometimes for hours) and a cancel has resulted in nodes only (no way information) being uploaded to the server. This behavior is quite consistent. The result is 6-8,000 isolated nodes blasted across the import block. I've then had to download the area from OSM and manually remove each node. Rather frustrating. I don't know the ins and outs of the OSM backend, but could you be picking up errors at that point? JOSM never seems to sort it out for me. :( I guess I have been luckier than you, in a way. I've only noticed one import so far that's failed spectacularly, which got me to figuring out how to use the reverter plugin. I think it saved my bacon in that situation - the idea of manually going to find and delete thousands of isolated nodes is a process I really wanted to avoid at all costs. But James Ewen has noticed some missing roads in an area I was working on southeast of Edmonton that I'm starting to think may have been the result of a flaky upload (at least one of those missing roads is one I remember working on specifically). What makes me worried is that I didn't even realize there was a problem in this area until he noticed those roads (I had assumed that JOSM had just fixed things when I retried afterwards) - in some ways, thousands of isolated nodes would have been preferable, since at least I'd have noticed there was a problem. I think I'll be reserving any OSM editing days for those when my Internet connection is as stable as possible. Dan -- Syzygy Research Technology Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada Phone: 780-961-2213 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Mapping cut blocks in wooded areas
Bryan, I would have to agree with your argument. I have some knowledge of the forestry GIS that is used here in NB and it would be a daunting task to include cut blocks in the forest. There is more than enough OSM work in Canada just getting the road network built it would be counterproductive to spend a lot of time on forest cut blocks. Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Service New Brunswick (506) 444-2077 45°56'25.21N, 66°38'53.65W www.snb.ca/geonb/http://www.snb.ca/geonb/ From: Bryan Crosby [mailto:azubr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 2011-03-05 01:58 To: 'talk-ca' Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Mapping cut blocks in wooded areas I would tag it as natural=wood as I don’t feel that there is any distinction between a 2-year old stand and a 250 year old stand in terms of being wood, or forest. They are merely different ages. Licensees maintain incredibly accurate and up-to-date maps that indicate the different openings and their respective stages of development. They have dedicated GIS guys that maintain these maps as fast as techies bring it in. I suppose, in theory, an OSM tag could be used to indicate the stage of opening development, but one would require the date of harvesting, the date of planting and the dates of the silviculture surveys to accurately assess the phase. Unless you are a forester you won’t have access to that information and would be guessing. I just feel that attempting to seriously map out such temporary features accurately goes way beyond the ability of OSM (at this point, at least). Bryan From: Samuel Longiaru [mailto:longi...@shaw.ca] Sent: March-04-11 9:43 PM To: talk-ca Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Mapping cut blocks in wooded areas I very much see your point which is why I was asking for some direction. I guess it comes down to whether the map should reflect what we see at some given snapshot in time, or whether it is reflecting the overall landuse scheme. In short, while standing in the middle of a clear-cut, would it be more accurate that my map show that spot as wooded or not wooded? Sam L. -Original Message- From: Bryan Crosby azubr...@gmail.commailto:bryan%20crosby%20%3cazubr...@gmail.com%3e To: 'talk-ca' talk-ca@openstreetmap.orgmailto:'talk-ca'%20%3ctalk...@openstreetmap.org%3e Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Mapping cut blocks in wooded areas Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:11:20 -0800 RE: cut-blocks As someone who has spent done time as a forest technician, I strongly advise against mapping forestry activity. Cut block spatial data changes daily and any images used to trace are out of date. There are literally tens of thousands of clear cuts in British Columbia alone and there is absolutely no way OSM mappers would be able to keep up with changes. Keep in mind that most clearcuts on crown land (and in some cases, private land) are temporary openings in various stages forest development. A 2 year old stand is just as much a forest as a 25 year old free-to-grow stand or a 250 year old stand of timber. I believe that mapping a privately held ‘Christmas’ tree farm would be pertinent, but these are radically different from commercial forestry openings. I would also advise extreme caution in using images to map forest development roads unless are working on a high traffic mainline. Many spur roads are in various stages of deactivation. It may look like a road from the outdated image, but it may have been completely deactivated and replanted. A site inspection is the only way to be sure. Bryan British Columbia From: Daniel Begin [mailto:jfd...@hotmail.com] Sent: March-04-11 8:19 PM To: 'Samuel Longiaru'; 'talk-ca' Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Mapping cut blocks in wooded areas Hi Samuel, About tagging forested areas, I would use landuse=forest only if it is obvious on the field that the area is managed/harvested, as for landuse=orchard or landuse=vineyard. We have a lot of Christmas tree plantations in the area and I map them as landuse=forest because it is obvious on the imagery and on the field. If it is difficult to determine if an area is under timber lease or not, because it looks the same, I would keep it natural=wood... About Cut blocks, I would map the hole they create that wooded area. If the area is replanted, then some OSM contributor will remove the hole you map in 10-20 years from now! Mapping the reality is the best we can do and because the reality changes over time, we can keep mapping !-) Daniel From: Samuel Longiaru [mailto:longi...@shaw.ca] Sent: March-04-11 21:45 To: talk-ca Subject: [Talk-ca] Mapping cut blocks in wooded areas Hi Everybody, I've been importing CanVec mostly south of Kamloops for the past several weeks and am going to take some time now to go back and bring stuff up to date. One question I have though is in regards to how to treat cut blocks in the wooded areas. I see according to the map features
