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[Talk-transit] Should I split roads to create bus routes?

2014-05-26 Diskussionsfäden Victor Ramirez

In order to create a bus route relation, I would have to split roads
into many small segments with identical tags. This causes Andy Allan's
transport render to repeat route labels more than necessary as a side
effect. Should I split the road segments or use some other method for
creating bus route relations?

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Re: [Talk-transit] Should I split roads to create bus routes?

2014-05-26 Diskussionsfäden Alexandr Zeinalov


 In order to create a bus route relation, I would have to split roads
 into many small segments with identical tags. This causes Andy Allan's
 transport render to repeat route labels more than necessary as a side
 effect. Should I split the road segments or use some other method for
 creating bus route relations?

Don't map for renderer, map reality. You should split the road into
segments if your route require that split. Good renderer can combine
segments with same information before rendering.




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Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping intercity bus routes

2014-05-26 Diskussionsfäden Bill R. WASHBURN

What about a three-level service scheme for buses:

Service=local (transit system bus lines)
Service=commuter (express commuter buses to the suburbs)
Service=intercity (like the American Greyhound bus routes)

There might be grey areas but it should be fairly easy to fit most routes
in one of these three categories.

Bill R. WASHBURN
On May 26, 2014 11:03 AM, Teemu Ikonen tpiko...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Thanks to all for the replies on coach route mapping.

 I don't agree that this is purely a rendering problem. The information
 needed to distinguish urban bus transit from long distance coach
 services simply does not exist in the database at the moment and there
 is no consistent way of tagging routes so that this distinction could
 be made.

 Looking at the active public transport proposal again, the network tag
 of route=bus/train/subway/tram could be part of a solution, but it
 seems that the usage is not really consistent everywhere. For example,
 in Helsinki the bus routes have network=Helsinki, subway has
 network='Helsingin metro'  and so on, even though both can be used
 with the same ticket. This could be a local problem though.

 I still think that long distance services which are not part of an
 urban transit network should be distinguished somehow, so I like the
 idea of using service=express for coaches. This could mostly do what I
 was proposing, if it would be widely used and the rendered correctly.
 Currently this tag seems to be used only around Oxford and ignored by
 tile rendering style sheets.

 The rendering of coach routes should be de-emphasized in high zoom
 levels, i.e. they should be overdrawn by local transit bus lines, but
 on the other hand they should be also drawn in low zoom levels, like
 long distance train routes in Öpnvkarte are.

 Best,
 Teemu

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Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping intercity bus routes

2014-05-26 Diskussionsfäden Cartinus

While you could call all intercity buses express buses. Not all express
buses are intercity buses. A common scheme around here is for rush hour
express lines that stop at all stops in the suburbs/villages, then skip
most/all stops in the city proper and end at the central (bus)station.

The original Oxomoa scheme already contained a solution to your
problem[1]. It simply is not widely used yet.

See taginfo[2]:
bus=long_distance (70 uses currently in the database)
bus=interurban (59 uses currently in the database)

It would be handy to standardize on one of those two.

[1]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oxomoa/%C3%96PNV-Schema#Bus-_und_Oberleitungsbuslinien

[2]http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/bus#values

On 05/26/2014 05:02 PM, Teemu Ikonen wrote:
Hi,

Thanks to all for the replies on coach route mapping.

I don't agree that this is purely a rendering problem. The information
needed to distinguish urban bus transit from long distance coach
services simply does not exist in the database at the moment and there
is no consistent way of tagging routes so that this distinction could
be made.

Looking at the active public transport proposal again, the network tag
of route=bus/train/subway/tram could be part of a solution, but it
seems that the usage is not really consistent everywhere. For example,
in Helsinki the bus routes have network=Helsinki, subway has
network='Helsingin metro' and so on, even though both can be used
with the same ticket. This could be a local problem though.

I still think that long distance services which are not part of an
urban transit network should be distinguished somehow, so I like the
idea of using service=express for coaches. This could mostly do what I
was proposing, if it would be widely used and the rendered correctly.
Currently this tag seems to be used only around Oxford and ignored by
tile rendering style sheets.

The rendering of coach routes should be de-emphasized in high zoom
levels, i.e. they should be overdrawn by local transit bus lines, but
on the other hand they should be also drawn in low zoom levels, like
long distance train routes in Öpnvkarte are.

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