Re: [Talk-hr] Naselja u OSM-u
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:14:58AM +0200, Janko Mihelić wrote: potaknut nestankom Zaprešića kojeg nismo primjetili nekih pola godine, zapeo sam i opet napravio popis naselja koje imamo i nemamo u OSM-u, ovaj puta u Google docs okruženju: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sBAMDmcLItgro3wQrIO-JN2LxuRRLyx8JL-a5yO2gUk/edit#gid=0 Ovaj link je na tablice koje ne možete mjenjati, ali ih možete kopirati, sortirati, pretraživati i slično. Na prvom sheetu su podaci iz Popisa stanovništva 2011, a na drugom sheetu su podaci iz OSM-a. Ako je cijeli redak crven u prvom sheetu, to znači da to naselje nedostaje u OSM-u. Ako je redak crven u drugom sheetu, to znači da to naselje ne postoji u popisu naselja, što znači da je ili krivo napisano, ili je to zaselak koji spada unutar drugog naselja. Cool! A kada je crven population na prvom sheetu, znaci da nije populacija nije upisana u OSM? A ako je upisana kriva? imas neki threshold +- koji gledas ili? BTW na OSM sheetu mi pise #ERROR za ono sto bi trebalo biti jump linkovi (ako help ne laze, trebalo bi ; umjesto ,?), a kada skinem kao .ods onda svi pokazuju na varazdin: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/343645893 -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[talk-ph] New OSM website feature: changeset discussion
Hi everybody, The hardworking developers have just released a new feature on the OpenStreetMap website which is called Changeset Discussions. This allows OSM users to discuss individual changesets. You might say that this is a bit similar to talk pages on Wikipedia. Here is an example comment I left on maning's latest changeset: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26453147 Previously, if there were questionable changesets, other OSM users would send the user who made the changeset private messages. This may lead to multiple messages being sent and no public discussion on what the proper way of mapping should be. In addition, the changeset discussion may occur on other channels such as mailing lists and on social media like Facebook, but the mapper who did the changeset is not aware of the discussion. Have fun, and remember to be nice when leaving comments! Talk about the edits and not the mapper. :-) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] New OSM website feature: changeset discussion
Great news! Expect my comments soon ;) On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 9:47 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody, The hardworking developers have just released a new feature on the OpenStreetMap website which is called Changeset Discussions. This allows OSM users to discuss individual changesets. You might say that this is a bit similar to talk pages on Wikipedia. Here is an example comment I left on maning's latest changeset: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26453147 Previously, if there were questionable changesets, other OSM users would send the user who made the changeset private messages. This may lead to multiple messages being sent and no public discussion on what the proper way of mapping should be. In addition, the changeset discussion may occur on other channels such as mailing lists and on social media like Facebook, but the mapper who did the changeset is not aware of the discussion. Have fun, and remember to be nice when leaving comments! Talk about the edits and not the mapper. :-) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] tagging footbridges with ramps for bikes and wheelchairs
how to tag this? (PS: getting frustrated with footbridges where I have to carry my bike!) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] tagging footbridges with ramps for bikes and wheelchairs
How about the wheelchair [0] combined with incline [1] tags? [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wheelchair [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:incline *Erwin Olario* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - » email: erwin@ er...@ngnuity.net*n**gnu**IT**y**.**net* http://ngnuity.net/ | gov...@gmail.com » mobile: (PHL): +63 908 817 2013 » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 D56B On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:51 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: how to tag this? (PS: getting frustrated with footbridges where I have to carry my bike!) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Sander, Ik heb de JSON-bestanden opnieuw aangemaakt met apptnrs en busnrs, deze keer als echte arrays. Ik zie dat je precies nu bezig bent met wat wijzigingen. Daarom even acties op elkaar afstemmen om geen conflicten te veroorzaken. Laat je weten als je een uur geen push zult doen? Dan pull-commit-push ik de nieuwe JSON bestanden op dat moment. Groeten, Thomas Sander Deryckere schreef op 1-11-2014 21:45: Thomas, In je spec staat dat busnummers en appartementnummers arrays zijn, maar in werkelijkheid lijken het comma-separated strings. Zou je het kunnen wijzigen naar arrays? Arrays lijken veiliger voor het geval een busnummer plots ook een komma bevat. Verder zijn er idd eigenaardige adressen. Dit zijn er twee in mijn dorp: { apptnrs: 0/1,0/2,1/1,1/2,1/3,2/1,2/2,2/3,3/1,3/2, busnrs: 1,11,3, hnrlbls: [ 22-26 ], housenumber: 22, lat: 50.94126031777649, lon: 3.061661179477891, municipality: Staden, pcode: 8840, source: afgeleidVanGebouw, street: Roeselarestraat }, Let op, nr 22 heeft hier veel bus- en appartementsnummers, nummer 26 blijkt er geen te hebben. { apptnrs: 0/1,1/3,2/1,2/2,2/3,3/3, busnrs: 1,2, hnrlbls: [ 7 ], housenumber: 7, lat: 50.94025949900766, lon: 3.060482929425432, municipality: Staden, pcode: 8840, source: afgeleidVanGebouw, street: Roeselarestraat }, In beide gevallen lijkt er totaal geen verband tussen de busnummers en appartementsnummers te bestaan. Ik zal morgen of overmorgen eens bekijken wat er daar nu net zichtbaar is. Momenteel zal ik dus nog geen toevoegen aan de uitvoer. Iedereen die meer info kan geven is zeker welkom. Groeten, Sander Op 1 november 2014 20:43 schreef Thomas o...@aptum.nl mailto:o...@aptum.nl: Het gebeurt in totaal 702 keer over alle adressen (inclusief subadressen) heen. Daarbij zijn 211 huisnummers betrokken. Op 27 oktober mailde ik dit daarover: Verder is er iets bijzonder aan de hand met de huisnummer-labels. Die worden door het AGIV automatisch opgemaakt per huisnummer, althans, zo hoort het. Toch heb ik met een check in mijn script 702 afwijkende huisnummerlabels weten te vinden. Die zijn gekoppeld aan 211 adressen, wat natuurlijk 'veel' is maar tegelijkertijd slechts 0,008% van het totaal. Daarbij in acht genomen dat 67% van die afwijkende huisnummerlabels zich voordoen in postcode 8900 lijkt het mij om een fout in de database te gaan. Wat er precies fout gelopen is op die punten weet ik niet. Ik heb de lijst op mijn server geplaatst: http://downloader.aptum.nl/AfwijkendeHuisnummerLabelsCRAB.pdf In dat pdf-document krijg je een overzicht van huisnummer-labels die niet systematisch gelijk zijn voor alle subadressen voor dat huisnummer. Meestal lijkt het om vrij logische fouten te gaan. Hoe het kan dat dit niet consistent is in de CRAB-adressenlijst is mij niet duidelijk. Ik heb het gevoel dat het om een versie-probleempje gaat, dat niet alle huisnummers systematisch worden bijgewerkt wanneer een subadres wordt toegevoegd of wordt verwijderd. Omdat ik geen verder onderscheid kon maken tussen goede en foute huisnummers leek het mij het beste om ze gewoon allemaal mee te geven in de JSON. Groeten, Thomas Sander Deryckere schreef op 1-11-2014 20:15: Op 1 november 2014 13:12 schreef Thomas o...@aptum.nl mailto:o...@aptum.nl: Zoals eerder gezegd is de voornaamste wijziging die invloed heeft op de huidige werking het feit dat huisnummerlabels nu in een array meegegeven worden, zodat bij meerdere huisnummer-labels per huisnummer, deze allemaal doorgegeven kunnen worden. Dat kan Sander misschien helpen bij het matchen met de gegevens uit OSM. Gebeurt dit vaak? Het lijkt me sowieso een fout in CRAB als dit gebeurt. Ik weet niet goed hoe ik foute data kan vergelijken, buiten melden dat er ergens een fout zit. Zal het verder onderzoeken. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Wat die appartement en busnummers betreft, ik heb ook al gevallen gezien waar het niet eenvoudig is om die te matchen. Zou het kunnen dat het appartementnummer is, wat er op de bel staat en het busnummer wat je als uitbreiding van het huisnummer op een enveloppe zou schrijven? Dat zou dan betekenen dat iemand die dat wil nakijken met een survey, gemakkelijker toegang zal hebben tot die appartementnummers. Misschien kunnen we er de voorkeur aan geven om de appartementnummers in addr:flats onder te brengen. Als beide er zijn de busnummers dan in een discardable tag, ter referentie. Als er geen appartementnummmers zijn, kunnen we natuurlijk gewoon de gesorteerde busnummers in addr:flats onderbrengen. Wat voor mij nog een twijfelgeval is, is wanneer er slechts 1 bus of appartementnummer vermeld staat. Ik ben geneigd om dat dan niet mee over te nemen. Jo Op 2 november 2014 09:41 schreef Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: Net mijn laatste wijzigingen gepushed. Zal in de volgende uren geen push meer uitvoeren. Zou je ook de wijzigingen aan loadStreets.js in een aparte comit kunnen steken? Dan is het eenvoudiger om de diff te bekijken. Groeten, Sander Op 2 november 2014 09:33 schreef Thomas o...@aptum.nl: Sander, Ik heb de JSON-bestanden opnieuw aangemaakt met apptnrs en busnrs, deze keer als echte arrays. Ik zie dat je precies nu bezig bent met wat wijzigingen. Daarom even acties op elkaar afstemmen om geen conflicten te veroorzaken. Laat je weten als je een uur geen push zult doen? Dan pull-commit-push ik de nieuwe JSON bestanden op dat moment. Groeten, Thomas Sander Deryckere schreef op 1-11-2014 21:45: Thomas, In je spec staat dat busnummers en appartementnummers arrays zijn, maar in werkelijkheid lijken het comma-separated strings. Zou je het kunnen wijzigen naar arrays? Arrays lijken veiliger voor het geval een busnummer plots ook een komma bevat. Verder zijn er idd eigenaardige adressen. Dit zijn er twee in mijn dorp: { apptnrs: 0/1,0/2,1/1,1/2,1/3,2/1,2/2,2/3,3/1,3/2, busnrs: 1,11,3, hnrlbls: [ 22-26 ], housenumber: 22, lat: 50.94126031777649, lon: 3.061661179477891, municipality: Staden, pcode: 8840, source: afgeleidVanGebouw, street: Roeselarestraat }, Let op, nr 22 heeft hier veel bus- en appartementsnummers, nummer 26 blijkt er geen te hebben. { apptnrs: 0/1,1/3,2/1,2/2,2/3,3/3, busnrs: 1,2, hnrlbls: [ 7 ], housenumber: 7, lat: 50.94025949900766, lon: 3.060482929425432, municipality: Staden, pcode: 8840, source: afgeleidVanGebouw, street: Roeselarestraat }, In beide gevallen lijkt er totaal geen verband tussen de busnummers en appartementsnummers te bestaan. Ik zal morgen of overmorgen eens bekijken wat er daar nu net zichtbaar is. Momenteel zal ik dus nog geen toevoegen aan de uitvoer. Iedereen die meer info kan geven is zeker welkom. Groeten, Sander Op 1 november 2014 20:43 schreef Thomas o...@aptum.nl: Het gebeurt in totaal 702 keer over alle adressen (inclusief subadressen) heen. Daarbij zijn 211 huisnummers betrokken. Op 27 oktober mailde ik dit daarover: Verder is er iets bijzonder aan de hand met de huisnummer-labels. Die worden door het AGIV automatisch opgemaakt per huisnummer, althans, zo hoort het. Toch heb ik met een check in mijn script 702 afwijkende huisnummerlabels weten te vinden. Die zijn gekoppeld aan 211 adressen, wat natuurlijk 'veel' is maar tegelijkertijd slechts 0,008% van het totaal. Daarbij in acht genomen dat 67% van die afwijkende huisnummerlabels zich voordoen in postcode 8900 lijkt het mij om een fout in de database te gaan. Wat er precies fout gelopen is op die punten weet ik niet. Ik heb de lijst op mijn server geplaatst: http://downloader.aptum.nl/AfwijkendeHuisnummerLabelsCRAB.pdf In dat pdf-document krijg je een overzicht van huisnummer-labels die niet systematisch gelijk zijn voor alle subadressen voor dat huisnummer. Meestal lijkt het om vrij logische fouten te gaan. Hoe het kan dat dit niet consistent is in de CRAB-adressenlijst is mij niet duidelijk. Ik heb het gevoel dat het om een versie-probleempje gaat, dat niet alle huisnummers systematisch worden bijgewerkt wanneer een subadres wordt toegevoegd of wordt verwijderd. Omdat ik geen verder onderscheid kon maken tussen goede en foute huisnummers leek het mij het beste om ze gewoon allemaal mee te geven in de JSON. Groeten, Thomas Sander Deryckere schreef op 1-11-2014 20:15: Op 1 november 2014 13:12 schreef Thomas o...@aptum.nl: Zoals eerder gezegd is de voornaamste wijziging die invloed heeft op de huidige werking het feit dat huisnummerlabels nu in een array meegegeven worden, zodat bij meerdere huisnummer-labels per huisnummer, deze allemaal doorgegeven kunnen worden. Dat kan Sander misschien helpen bij het
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Heb nu postcode 1982 gedaan tot en met straten met een T*. Heel veel werkt, mijn RSI-pols is terug maar we zijn er bijna erdoor. Er vallen mij wel aantal dingen op. -1A vs 1a wordt door de tool als fout gemerkt, niet echt een probleem, ik zet ze allemaal naar de hoofdletter versie, mss wel goed dat het uniform is. - CRab data voor 1982 is niet slecht meestal. Ik vind niet veel fouten eigenlijk tot hiertoe, meeste zijn twijfelaars ivm subaddressen - Indien CRAB enkel officiele nummer vermeld (ik weet hier een 3-woonst die enkel onder nummer 1 gekend is hier). Maar ik heb er persoonlijk een survey gedaan, dus 1/1,2,3 bestaan. Dat zet ik onder addr:flats indien gemeenschappelijke ingang. Gaat prima tot hiertoe. Geen noemenswaardige issues. Glenn On 02-11-14 10:56, Jo wrote: Wat die appartement en busnummers betreft, ik heb ook al gevallen gezien waar het niet eenvoudig is om die te matchen. Zou het kunnen dat het appartementnummer is, wat er op de bel staat en het busnummer wat je als uitbreiding van het huisnummer op een enveloppe zou schrijven? Dat zou dan betekenen dat iemand die dat wil nakijken met een survey, gemakkelijker toegang zal hebben tot die appartementnummers. Misschien kunnen we er de voorkeur aan geven om de appartementnummers in addr:flats onder te brengen. Als beide er zijn de busnummers dan in een discardable tag, ter referentie. Als er geen appartementnummmers zijn, kunnen we natuurlijk gewoon de gesorteerde busnummers in addr:flats onderbrengen. Wat voor mij nog een twijfelgeval is, is wanneer er slechts 1 bus of appartementnummer vermeld staat. Ik ben geneigd om dat dan niet mee over te nemen. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
De appartementnummers en busnummers zijn nu toegevoegd aan de tools. Er wordt ook gewaarschuwd indien zowel bus- als appartementsnummers aanwezig zijn. Wees nog voorzichtig met deze tag. Ik heb nog geen tijd gehad om uit te zoeken welke CRAB onderverdeling nu gebruikt wordt in welk geval. Ik heb ook een test toegevoegd die moet helpen om de huisnummers te standardiseren. Voor alles wat nu buiten het standaardformaat valt zal je een waarschuwing voor krijgen (bijvoorbeeld 10_2, wat 10 bis of 10/2 zou moeten zijn). Ik hoop dat er zo niet teveel vals-positieven gegenereerd worden. We kunnen altijd nog die test terug verwijderen of versoepelen. Groeten, Sander Op 2 november 2014 14:35 schreef Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: Heb nu postcode 1982 gedaan tot en met straten met een T*. Heel veel werkt, mijn RSI-pols is terug maar we zijn er bijna erdoor. Er vallen mij wel aantal dingen op. -1A vs 1a wordt door de tool als fout gemerkt, niet echt een probleem, ik zet ze allemaal naar de hoofdletter versie, mss wel goed dat het uniform is. - CRab data voor 1982 is niet slecht meestal. Ik vind niet veel fouten eigenlijk tot hiertoe, meeste zijn twijfelaars ivm subaddressen - Indien CRAB enkel officiele nummer vermeld (ik weet hier een 3-woonst die enkel onder nummer 1 gekend is hier). Maar ik heb er persoonlijk een survey gedaan, dus 1/1,2,3 bestaan. Dat zet ik onder addr:flats indien gemeenschappelijke ingang. Gaat prima tot hiertoe. Geen noemenswaardige issues. Glenn On 02-11-14 10:56, Jo wrote: Wat die appartement en busnummers betreft, ik heb ook al gevallen gezien waar het niet eenvoudig is om die te matchen. Zou het kunnen dat het appartementnummer is, wat er op de bel staat en het busnummer wat je als uitbreiding van het huisnummer op een enveloppe zou schrijven? Dat zou dan betekenen dat iemand die dat wil nakijken met een survey, gemakkelijker toegang zal hebben tot die appartementnummers. Misschien kunnen we er de voorkeur aan geven om de appartementnummers in addr:flats onder te brengen. Als beide er zijn de busnummers dan in een discardable tag, ter referentie. Als er geen appartementnummmers zijn, kunnen we natuurlijk gewoon de gesorteerde busnummers in addr:flats onderbrengen. Wat voor mij nog een twijfelgeval is, is wanneer er slechts 1 bus of appartementnummer vermeld staat. Ik ben geneigd om dat dan niet mee over te nemen. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] overpass-api.de: Emergency rollback
FYI: This might influence the CRAB imports . Glenn Forwarded Message Subject: [OSM-talk] overpass-api.de: Emergency rollback Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 21:11:36 +0100 From: Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de To: osm-talk t...@openstreetmap.org Dear all, the Overpass API instance on overpass-api.de will receive in a few hours a data rollback to 22nd Oct 2014. This means a shutdown for two to three hours. Then it will catch up from 22nd October to recent data. The other instances on - http://overpass.osm.rambler.ru/cgi/ - http://api.openstreetmap.fr/oapi/ aren't affected. They will continue to deliver current data. Recent attic data will not be available for some days. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. However, attic data before Oct 22nd should be consistently available also during rollback. Details about what most likely happened: On saturday morning I've made a software update to version 0.7.51. As there was no change in the database format, the change went smoothly and all indicators looked fine. However, I've wrongly configured the dispatcher for areas to also care on meta data. Once the areas dispatcher triggered the first update of areas, .i.e. a few hours later, it corrupted the meta data, in particular the *.idx files. The processes have run with dispatcher --osm-base --db-dir=/opt/ssd/v0.7.50/ --attic dispatcher --areas --db-dir=/opt/ssd/v0.7.50/ --attic They should have run with dispatcher --osm-base --db-dir=/opt/ssd/v0.7.50/ --attic dispatcher --areas --db-dir=/opt/ssd/v0.7.50/ At this point I would like to thank the people that have complained. This gives me the impression that a fast and prospectous resuce attempt is better than a lengthy investigation without meta data. Given the wrong parameter was the cause, future software versions will be protected about these kinds of wrong parameters to the possible extent. I'm sorry for the service disruption. Best regards, Roland ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
There's an error at the moment with the importer. loadStreets.js:276 Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token import.html?pcode=1982filterStreets=*maxDistance=loadOsm=trueincludePcode=falsecrabInfo=false…:1 .. !-- vim: tabstop=2:softtabstop=2:shiftwidth=2:noexpandtab -- html This is on chrome. Glenn On 02-11-14 10:57, Thomas wrote: De nieuwe JSON-bestanden staan online. Nu zijn de busnrs en apptnrs wel netjes als array opgenomen en niet meer als comma-separated-string. Ik zag gisteren inderdaad dat het niet zo handig is om die mega-commit van die data-bestanden samen uit te voeren met wat losse wijzigingen in de code. Ik ga ze voortaan braaf in losse commits pushen ;-) Verder heb ik ook een doc-directory toegevoegd om de documentatie in te verzamelen. Daarin staan de documenten die ik eerder al op mijn server plaatste en ook een CSV-bestand met daarin de postcode-gemeentenaam probleemgevallen. Groeten, Thomas Sander Deryckere schreef op 2-11-2014 9:41: Net mijn laatste wijzigingen gepushed. Zal in de volgende uren geen push meer uitvoeren. Zou je ook de wijzigingen aan loadStreets.js in een aparte comit kunnen steken? Dan is het eenvoudiger om de diff te bekijken. Groeten, Sander ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- Everything is going to be 200 OK. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
De overpass-query wordt nu naar de Russische overpass-api gestuurd. Daarmee functioneert de import-pagina nu eerst weer. Uit de foutmeldingen in de javascript leid ik af dat het JSON-antwoord van die Russische api anders is dan die van de Duitse api. Ik heb een check toegevoegd die daarmee moet helpen. Uit de nu resulterende matches leid ik dan weer af dat toch niet alle huisnummers in OSM gedetecteerd worden. Blijkbaar zijn beide api's niet compatibel met elkaar. Op zich werkt het nu dus, zij het met beperkingen. Als over enkele uren de Duitse api het weer blijkt te doen, zal ik die weer koppelen. Als compatibiliteit zo'n lastige zaak is, dan moeten we misschien maar genoegen nemen met een afhankelijkheid van de Duitse api. Groeten, Thomas Thomas schreef op 2-11-2014 23:43: Bedankt voor beide meldingen! Het probleem ligt in dit geval bij de overpass-api. De JSON-response bestaat niet uit JSON maar uit xhtml. Wanneer de javascript dat probeert te verwerken als een JSON-response treedt er een fout op. Dat heeft vast te maken met de emergency rollback waar je eerder over mailde. Ik heb even het request naar overpass.osm.rambler.ru doorgestuurd waardoor het request op zich nu weer werkt. Verderop in het script loopt nu wat verkeerd omdat het antwoord van deze Russische variant blijkbaar inhoudelijk verschillend is van de originele Duitse website. Ik kijk even of ik dat op kan lossen, anders draai ik het geheel terug naar de originele Duitse variant en moeten we maar even wachten tot de emergency rollback voorbij is. Groeten, Thomas Glenn Plas schreef op 2-11-2014 23:19: There's an error at the moment with the importer. loadStreets.js:276 Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token import.html?pcode=1982filterStreets=*maxDistance=loadOsm=trueincludePcode=falsecrabInfo=false…:1 .. !-- vim: tabstop=2:softtabstop=2:shiftwidth=2:noexpandtab -- html This is on chrome. Glenn On 02-11-14 10:57, Thomas wrote: De nieuwe JSON-bestanden staan online. Nu zijn de busnrs en apptnrs wel netjes als array opgenomen en niet meer als comma-separated-string. Ik zag gisteren inderdaad dat het niet zo handig is om die mega-commit van die data-bestanden samen uit te voeren met wat losse wijzigingen in de code. Ik ga ze voortaan braaf in losse commits pushen ;-) Verder heb ik ook een doc-directory toegevoegd om de documentatie in te verzamelen. Daarin staan de documenten die ik eerder al op mijn server plaatste en ook een CSV-bestand met daarin de postcode-gemeentenaam probleemgevallen. Groeten, Thomas Sander Deryckere schreef op 2-11-2014 9:41: Net mijn laatste wijzigingen gepushed. Zal in de volgende uren geen push meer uitvoeren. Zou je ook de wijzigingen aan loadStreets.js in een aparte comit kunnen steken? Dan is het eenvoudiger om de diff te bekijken. Groeten, Sander ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] addr:street on way
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com wrote: highway=footway access=no bicycle=yes Jakka, this actually means that only cyclists are allowed. as Andre pointed out (by linking to the Belgian rules) highway=footway means a road with vehicle=no,foot=yes. Thus something where only pedestrians are allowed. By then explicitly marking it as access=no, you remove all access rights (also those for pedestrians). And you only turn access on for cyclists by adding bicycle=yes. With respect to except that bicycle=yes is meaningless if there's no other tag forbidding bikes such as access=no. The access=no for cyclists is part of highway=footway, so you do not have to tag that explicitly. So yes, in the case of highway=cycleway,bicycle=yes the latter is meaningless. Why ? Well highway=cycleway means foot=yes,bicycle=yes; so there is no tag forbidding cyclist. Please note that in some countries (e.g. Germany) highway=cycleway means bicycle=yes, foot=no ! To summarise: there is no need to explicitly tag what is implicitly stated by the type of highway. For that see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access-Restrictions#Belgium Only tag exceptions to those rules nothing fuzzy about that. regards happy mapping m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] New feature on osm.org / Nieuwe functionaliteit op osm.org
It is now possible to discuss changesets on osm.org https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing-changeset-discussions/ Het is nu mogelijk om een publieke discussie te voeren over changesets. Lees deze blogpost (in het Engels) https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing-changeset-discussions/ regards/met vriendelijke groeten m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] import AGIV CRAB-data
Het zal wss zijn door de emergency rollback van overpass. Zie subject: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [OSM-talk] overpass-api.de: Emergency rollback Glenn On 03-11-14 01:32, Thomas wrote: De overpass-query wordt nu naar de Russische overpass-api gestuurd. Daarmee functioneert de import-pagina nu eerst weer. Uit de foutmeldingen in de javascript leid ik af dat het JSON-antwoord van die Russische api anders is dan die van de Duitse api. Ik heb een check toegevoegd die daarmee moet helpen. Uit de nu resulterende matches leid ik dan weer af dat toch niet alle huisnummers in OSM gedetecteerd worden. Blijkbaar zijn beide api's niet compatibel met elkaar. Op zich werkt het nu dus, zij het met beperkingen. Als over enkele uren de Duitse api het weer blijkt te doen, zal ik die weer koppelen. Als compatibiliteit zo'n lastige zaak is, dan moeten we misschien maar genoegen nemen met een afhankelijkheid van de Duitse api. Everything is going to be 200 OK. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contents Licence for OSM Data
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: For corporations its most of the time easier to spend 500K€ on a commercial dataset than to spend 5k€ on a Lawyer analyzing a licensing issue. If we add up the cost of all the time company representatives have spent trying to get OSM to change its licensing *a second time*, it would have been a lot cheaper for them to get together and just hire a lawyer who knew what they were doing. 1. I wish this was true. 2. I wish you described the problem. There's a brake on adoption we put on OpenStreetMap by way of share alike for no tangible benefit. This is not just about shaping the OSM license to taste for certain 'company representatives' but about the overall growth potential of the project which is limited by its applications. All we have in favor of share alike is fear, and the fact that we've used it so far. We have no significant third party ODbL data releases due to OSM share alike to show for, but clear reasons and examples of people walking away from the project because of share alike. I've stated this argument before and I do understand that for many in the community share alike represents an important protection for the project. I don't follow this sentiment at all because of all the reasons Florian laid out in his response [1]. But I do understand the desire for a strong, lasting and independent OpenStreetMap. Maybe there's a way to think outside of the box of a license and come up with guarantees or principles the OpenStreetMap project would want to have to protect its interests. Thinking out loud. [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2014-October/008025.html ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-29 20:56 GMT+01:00 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com: Updated: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Open_Data_License%2FGeocoding_-_Guidelinediff=1102233oldid=1076215 wouldn't it make more sense to come to a conclusion here before updating the wiki? Hey Martin - the change you link to was to replace the term 'geocode' with the more common 'geocoding result' - do you have a specific concern with it? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Michal Palenik michal.pale...@freemap.sk wrote: 4.4.c. Derivative Databases and Produced Works. A Derivative Database is Publicly Used and so must comply with Section 4.4. if a Produced Work created from the Derivative Database is Publicly Used. which say, that it does not matter whether you declare geocodes produced work or derivative db. if this didn't exist, i could declare anything a produced work (things like any enhanced database) and the whold odbl would not exists. Right, if your geocoding service is Public in the sense of the ODbL and it uses an ODbL Derivative Database to look up geocoding results, the Derivative Database must be disclosed per 4.4. Per 4.4 c this is the case for both current interpretations on the guidelines. The disclosure stipulations set forth in 4.6 apply. Right now, the geocoding guidelines don't talk about the database a geocoder uses to look up results though, they only talk about the database geocoding results are stored in. This could change. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
I have two questions on the Collective DB alternative: The derivative database consists of the data that has been used as the input data for the geocoding process, as well as the data that has been gained from OpenStreetMap in the process. Any additional data that may be linked to this data, even sitting in the same logical database table, is however not considered to be part of the derivative database (instead it forms a collective database together with the derivative database) and therefore, does not have to be shared under the ODbL. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Geocoding_-_Guideline#.22Collective_Database.22_alternative 1. Why is the input data part of the Derivative Database? 2. This language is not explicit about Geocoding Results from other databases that are stored in the same database. Would they be part of the Derivative Database? An example to clarify my question in (2): Say I have a database of Starbucks locations with addresses. I use OpenStreetMap to geocode all addresses and store geocoding results (lat lon pairs) from OpenStreetMap next to my existing records. A handful of addresses failed to properly geocode so I use a geocoder with proprietary data to backfill the results. What specifically constitutes the Derivative Database here? A) the input data + records I copied from OpenStreetMap B) A + any additions of the same kind of Content, aka the lat lon pairs I added from the proprietary geocoder On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Rob, On 08/21/2014 06:42 PM, Rob Myers wrote: It would be great if people would help fill in the blanks, or correct me where I might have misrepresented the discussion. The page asserts: Geocodes are a Produced Work [...] The rest of the page then silently slips [...] I have tried to present the two different viewpoints in two columns. On the left is Alex' original version which claims what you summarized in your message (that geocodes are produced works etc.); on the right is a version that explicitly claims A database of Geocodes is a derivative database by the definition of the ODbL - which seems to be exactly the statement that you were aiming at, no? The blanks that need filling are the consequences of this different interpreatation for the various use cases. I added one for use case #1, but only an empty column for use cases #2-#4 and #7. I added no extra column for #5 and #6 because those struck me as identical under both interpretations but of course I might be wrong. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Updated: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Open_Data_License%2FGeocoding_-_Guidelinediff=1102233oldid=1076215 Hey Martin - the change you link to was to replace the term 'geocode' with the more common 'geocoding result' - do you have a specific concern with it? GEOCODE is a trade mark belonging to a litigious, oh I shouldn't get personal, professor. :-) The background is on the wiki, but I thought this was made clear earlier in the thread? http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Geocode_Trademark ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contents Licence for OSM Data
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/14 02:11 PM, Alex Barth wrote: We have no significant third party ODbL data releases due to OSM share alike to show for, Then clearly OMS should have stuck with BY-SA for the database, as that did gain third party data releases. but clear reasons and examples of people walking away from the project because of share alike. If switching to a license that is more amenable to proprietary use hasn't stopped increasing numbers of people walking away then, again, the project should have stuck with BY-SA. So the stronger share-alike license got more of the positive results that you are blaming the weaker license for not achieving, and caused less of the alleged harm you are attributing to it. That sounds like an argument for stronger copyleft, not weaker. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUVtFBAAoJECciMUAZd2dZ3SoIAJ0NApsIcSEMUSiqnhvnY3fF u3vY3n5MU5gNrJV9WxSwLObyV2imyMPfbZhlF2OPQCXp8D4uN6Mot+9/cD7F7nan pjb0YIeHC0oruQrShoRTXFaHVCHBK7N4zOfhT+aI+gbavToYcGgcU4y38kM+DLml M7HA246sFny7NjckGJqmyDoOp/U0Nhw3YHFII1ZfG7j1yohYSrVE40WE2/D0oPs/ pExMVktZija/rG9moXwyQyd/vdAMizcFlbpfPEAWDyYDpKOn0+l+WWK6Oiw2626r ekKYAq+YDNf8lWl3o5SzmJS0uLLlzG/mSOK1+OUL7oq69t4HpGCQ471PvMHorRc= =NhmN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] Moderator statement. Please read before posting
Rule 1: Have Fun! The OSM project depends on folks participating because we want to and because, measured in our own terms, we have fun. Whoever we are. Whatever we do. Crowdsourcing depends on as many people as possible being involved and engaged. For us, that means women and men, professors and school children, folks from literally every country in the world, non-native and native English speakers. All are on this list. Repeat: All are on this list. We welcome you. We hope you will stay and read ... and may be get into posting too. We are not doing a very good job at that, are we? So, Steve's better map thread. Let's end it. Rational, courteous presentation and discussion of visions is of vital importance, particularly on this international list. So, if there are positive things you want to pick up as specific new threads, please go ahead ... but be guided by my advice below. Lastly, and I know at least one of the principal players has signed up for this. A truly great free MOOC course is starting again tomorrow, 3rd November. If you want to be more effective in forming opinion in OpenStreetMap to the point that things actually happen, sign up. At minimum, focus on watching the first and last videos in the course. The course is much more general than the title suggests. *Inspiring Leadership through Emotional Intelligence** **https://www.coursera.org/course/lead-ei* (English with English, Chinese (Simplified), Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian subtitles). Mike *Mike's personal checklist for dealing with stormy weather* I have evolved this after many years on this list and our occasional storms. I am aiming this at the active Thinkers within our community whose input I respect and encourage: o Think of your whole audience (above) and how to engage them. Most of your audience will never actually reply to you. [Although every now and again you will get a really nice offlist message. They always make my day.] o Engage positively, the academic buzz-word is Positive Attractors ... watch the first course videos. After all, you want to persuade people that You Are Right. That, whether you like it or not, is done emotionally as well as logically. o When there is a storm. Post less (or may be not at all), not more. I am a native English-speaker and scan-reader (= I can read very quickly), but not even I can keep up with the current thread, so I miss interesting and thought-provoking things ... so what about everyone else? Wait a day, structure what you want to say strategically over two or three well placed mailings. (If you follow the totality of *all* my postings to all lists over the last two weeks, you will see I am doing exactly this. And I will win eventually!) o Separate personalities from their arguments. If you want say You Are Wrong, it is perfectly possible to say this without direct personal attack. Yep, some people will violate this and upset you, just ignore it. o Separate people's character from their ideas. ... Oh, I have already said that. :-) o Lastly. A positive argument, crisis, storm, whatever, has two phases. The first can be unpleasant if we are not all 100% emotionally and socially very intelligent, which alas we are not. Airing dirty washing (English idiom = talking publicly about things that were previously private). Violent disagreements. Healthy, but highly adversarial debate. And so on. It is only positive if there is a second closure phase, that involves calm reflection, consensus-seeking, taking other people's views into account ... and deciding on a course of action that you may not be 100% happy with, but a large number of people are ... And we actually do something! It really annoys how little we consciously move on to the that ultra-important phase 2! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Steve's better map
Ian My comment was actually pointing out good mapping techniques. We are a community of mappers - go out map. Please, add data to improve the quality of the database. Dave F. On 02/11/2014 01:56, Ian Dees wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 01/11/2014 22:22, Ian Dees wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Like it, but unsure I'd give Round 8 to Steve. Deleting old data is *good* if replaced with more accurate information. Once again: this is a discussion, not a competition between Steve and Simon. There are no rounds to give. Let's stop framing it that way and move on. If you don't like it, don't read it. Go out map. That's not how a community works. We keep our community forums free of childish behavior so that real meaningful discussion can happen. Telling someone if you don't like it, don't read it doesn't solve the problem of hostile, childish, and negative behavior on the mailing list, it just repels normal people and leaves the negative people around to talk amongst themselves. Since we tell our new community members to join these mailing lists, I'd rather it be the other way around: the negative people should leave the list and go talk amongst themselves elsewhere. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
I would like to personally thank ukasiu, emacsen, woodpeck and TomH for developing and deploying this. A much wanted and needed feature. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
I like! Do you know if people comment on a changeset you make, will you automatically get an e-mail mentioning said comment, or will you be in the dark and have to stumble across said comment? -James ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On 02/11/14 10:47, James Mast wrote: I like! Do you know if people comment on a changeset you make, will you automatically get an e-mail mentioning said comment, or will you be in the dark and have to stumble across said comment? Yes you will get as email, as will anybody else that has previously commented on that changeset. You can also choose to subscribe to the changeset without actually leaving a comment, in which case you will get emails. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
Wonderful. Thank you and well done, ukasiu, emacsen, woodpeck and TomH. Great to have this long anticipated option. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
Great job! Is there an API to get comments? I didn't find such on the wiki. Also, are anonymous comments allowed? Le 2 nov. 2014 12:20, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com a écrit : Wonderful. Thank you and well done, ukasiu, emacsen, woodpeck and TomH. Great to have this long anticipated option. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On Nov 2, 2014 6:29 AM, Vincent Privat vinc...@josm.openstreetmap.de wrote: Great job! Is there an API to get comments? I didn't find such on the wiki. Also, are anonymous comments allowed? I had to sign in. Seems like anonymous comments are not allowed. But let's check the code? This appears to be the commit. I'm looking for the api stuff. :-) https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/commit/2f228437324d80cb8a408d27912cc716a36aa3b0 Thanks again everybody! Le 2 nov. 2014 12:20, "Richard Weait" rich...@weait.com a crit : Wonderful. Thank you and well done, ukasiu, emacsen, woodpeck and TomH. Great to have this long anticipated option. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Changeset dicsussion function (was: Changeset comment function)
On 02/11/2014 10:36, Simon Poole wrote: I would like to personally thank ukasiu, emacsen, woodpeck and TomH for developing and deploying this. A much wanted and needed feature. Thanks from me too. I think that it'll be really, really useful. Currently meta discussions happen elsewhere (on mailing lists, in IRC via exchange of pastebin messages, probably on Facebook etc. too for some OSM communities) and this is a great opportunity to bring those discussions out into the open. One thought though - can we call it Changeset Discussions here (like it actually is on osm.org)? Changeset comments (the comment that you supply when you save a changeset) are something else instead :-) Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 11:36:38 +0100 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: A much wanted and needed feature. I'm not attempting to disparage the hard work of those who contributed to this feature but it is not immediately apparent to me how this feature should be used. Perhaps one of those people who needed this feature could give a brief description of why it is useful and when it would be appropriate to use this method rather than sending a PM? -- Regards, Andy Street ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset dicsussion function (was: Changeset comment function)
Good call on discussion vs. Comment. Also, I resisted the temptation to add first as a discussion for changeset/1. On Nov 2, 2014 6:38 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 02/11/2014 10:36, Simon Poole wrote: I would like to personally thank ukasiu, emacsen, woodpeck and TomH for developing and deploying this. A much wanted and needed feature. Thanks from me too. I think that it'll be really, really useful. Currently meta discussions happen elsewhere (on mailing lists, in IRC via exchange of pastebin messages, probably on Facebook etc. too for some OSM communities) and this is a great opportunity to bring those discussions out into the open. One thought though - can we call it Changeset Discussions here (like it actually is on osm.org)? Changeset comments (the comment that you supply when you save a changeset) are something else instead :-) Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On 02/11/14 11:48, Andy Street wrote: A much wanted and needed feature. I'm not attempting to disparage the hard work of those who contributed to this feature but it is not immediately apparent to me how this feature should be used. Perhaps one of those people who needed this feature could give a brief description of why it is useful and when it would be appropriate to use this method rather than sending a PM? Personally I find this a missing link in discussion on changes that have been made to the data. A private message may be appropriate if you do not want public discussion, but often like the current debate on the talk-gb list about 'automatic updates', people who were not originally involved spot problems that they can either add their own fix for, but a note on the problematic original change may well flag other similar corrections which private messaging can never initiate. I would probably go on to propose that grouping a large number of similar but data wise unrelated changes be flagged as bad practice so that elements of a change CAN be discussed better via this mechanism. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On 02/11/2014, Andy Street a...@street.me.uk wrote: On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 11:36:38 +0100 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: I'm not attempting to disparage the hard work of those who contributed to this feature but it is not immediately apparent to me how this feature should be used. Perhaps one of those people who needed this feature could give a brief description of why it is useful and when it would be appropriate to use this method rather than sending a PM? The most immediate use I see is for the original changeset author, to amend a comment that was empty, lacking or wrong. Maybe at another contributor's request. I sometimes PM to ask are you sure about that changeset ?; the new feature allows this discussoon to happen in public where it belongs. It might nice to be able to CC somebody when commenting, as an easy to notify the DWG for example. But maybe PMs or MLs are still a better tool for that ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
I hope to use changeset discussions to publicly thanks new mappers in my area as a way to encourage them. We have many communication tools at our disposal, lists, fora, PM, social media, local meetings. Such diversity of channels allows subtleties of application. :-) The potential risks are dilution of messages, and (over-)repetition across channels. So we'll want to watch that. I think changeset discussions might be as instantly-useful as Mikel's addition of the map of changeset bounding boxes. To me they both inspire, Wow, that is so helpful! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] overpass-api.de: Emergency rollback
Dear all, the Overpass API instance on overpass-api.de will receive in a few hours a data rollback to 22nd Oct 2014. This means a shutdown for two to three hours. Then it will catch up from 22nd October to recent data. The other instances on - http://overpass.osm.rambler.ru/cgi/ - http://api.openstreetmap.fr/oapi/ aren't affected. They will continue to deliver current data. Recent attic data will not be available for some days. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. However, attic data before Oct 22nd should be consistently available also during rollback. Details about what most likely happened: On saturday morning I've made a software update to version 0.7.51. As there was no change in the database format, the change went smoothly and all indicators looked fine. However, I've wrongly configured the dispatcher for areas to also care on meta data. Once the areas dispatcher triggered the first update of areas, .i.e. a few hours later, it corrupted the meta data, in particular the *.idx files. The processes have run with dispatcher --osm-base --db-dir=/opt/ssd/v0.7.50/ --attic dispatcher --areas --db-dir=/opt/ssd/v0.7.50/ --attic They should have run with dispatcher --osm-base --db-dir=/opt/ssd/v0.7.50/ --attic dispatcher --areas --db-dir=/opt/ssd/v0.7.50/ At this point I would like to thank the people that have complained. This gives me the impression that a fast and prospectous resuce attempt is better than a lengthy investigation without meta data. Given the wrong parameter was the cause, future software versions will be protected about these kinds of wrong parameters to the possible extent. I'm sorry for the service disruption. Best regards, Roland ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
On 02/11/2014 11:48, Andy Street wrote: On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 11:36:38 +0100 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: A much wanted and needed feature. I'm not attempting to disparage the hard work of those who contributed to this feature but it is not immediately apparent to me how this feature should be used. Perhaps one of those people who needed this feature could give a brief description of why it is useful and when it would be appropriate to use this method rather than sending a PM? Similar to what Andy says, there's nothing wrong with this, but I'm failing to understand the benefits over existing PMs: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing-changeset-discussions/ This example just mentions a cafe in a changeset that could be full of cafe amendments. For it to be clear which one is under discussion a hyperlink to the node/way still needs to be given which can just as easily be supplied in a PM. As this still a direct message between two users, to truly make it 'public' how does a third party become aware of the messages? Can I get a notification if it falls within 'my area'? David F. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
Andy, This is a good question. I'd hoped to write the blog post about the feature before it went live, but it didn't happen. I did end up writing it, and in my blog post, I presented several use case scenarios for it: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing-changeset-discussions/ As for utility vs PMs, I'd argue that a majority of the time when communicating to someone about something OSM DB related, this should be the preferred method. You can think of this as something akin to the Discussion page on a wiki. If you compliment someone on their work, make it public. If you have a question, make it public, etc. I'd say the need for PMs in OSM should be greatly diminished with the introduction of this feature. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] discussion: inclusion and alcohol
Richard, Yes, it's quite significant. There are many events, eg at SOTM-US where I've felt very uncomfortable both due to alcohol and noise. It's hard to find public places to hold social events that don't serve alcohol, though. While I do drink on occasion (once every 3-4 months), I often feel a bit uncomfortable with the alcohol culture of geek events in general. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
Fantastic to see Changeset Comments (or discussions: yes, agree a more clear label). Question: Is there a way to see a list of all the Changesets I have discussed? or have subscribed to? If not, count this as a suggestion! Thanks! -Mikel * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron On Sunday, November 2, 2014 6:58 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, This is a good question. I'd hoped to write the blog post about the feature before it went live, but it didn't happen. I did end up writing it, and in my blog post, I presented several use case scenarios for it: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing-changeset-discussions/ As for utility vs PMs, I'd argue that a majority of the time when communicating to someone about something OSM DB related, this should be the preferred method. You can think of this as something akin to the Discussion page on a wiki. If you compliment someone on their work, make it public. If you have a question, make it public, etc. I'd say the need for PMs in OSM should be greatly diminished with the introduction of this feature. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset comment function
Mikel, Short answer: Not at this time. Longer answer: Yes, that's a good idea for sure. It's something I didn't have on the roadmap, but after just a day of using the feature in real life, I already want it. There are a bunch of other features that would be nice to implement based changeset discussions, some of which gave been discussed on the thread, and some of which haven't been. But after the GSoC window ended, Tom decided that we'd push to get the main functionality in place first, and then we could always add more. I completely agree with him on this. If we tried to do it all at once, it would just end up delaying things. You've already written code for osm.org, so you might even have less of a ramp-up time to create a patch for this than even I would (I haven't looked at this code since the summer). - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Moderator statement. Please read before posting
Well said Michael, thanks! Regards, Hans On Nov 2, 2014 2:26 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Rule 1: Have Fun! The OSM project depends on folks participating because we want to and because, measured in our own terms, we have fun. Whoever we are. Whatever we do. Crowdsourcing depends on as many people as possible being involved and engaged. For us, that means women and men, professors and school children, folks from literally every country in the world, non-native and native English speakers. All are on this list. Repeat: All are on this list. We welcome you. We hope you will stay and read ... and may be get into posting too. We are not doing a very good job at that, are we? So, Steve's better map thread. Let's end it. Rational, courteous presentation and discussion of visions is of vital importance, particularly on this international list. So, if there are positive things you want to pick up as specific new threads, please go ahead ... but be guided by my advice below. Lastly, and I know at least one of the principal players has signed up for this. A truly great free MOOC course is starting again tomorrow, 3rd November. If you want to be more effective in forming opinion in OpenStreetMap to the point that things actually happen, sign up. At minimum, focus on watching the first and last videos in the course. The course is much more general than the title suggests. *Inspiring Leadership through Emotional Intelligence* *https://www.coursera.org/course/lead-ei https://www.coursera.org/course/lead-ei* (English with English, Chinese (Simplified), Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian subtitles). Mike *Mike's personal checklist for dealing with stormy weather* I have evolved this after many years on this list and our occasional storms. I am aiming this at the active Thinkers within our community whose input I respect and encourage: o Think of your whole audience (above) and how to engage them. Most of your audience will never actually reply to you. [Although every now and again you will get a really nice offlist message. They always make my day.] o Engage positively, the academic buzz-word is Positive Attractors ... watch the first course videos. After all, you want to persuade people that You Are Right. That, whether you like it or not, is done emotionally as well as logically. o When there is a storm. Post less (or may be not at all), not more. I am a native English-speaker and scan-reader (= I can read very quickly), but not even I can keep up with the current thread, so I miss interesting and thought-provoking things ... so what about everyone else? Wait a day, structure what you want to say strategically over two or three well placed mailings. (If you follow the totality of *all* my postings to all lists over the last two weeks, you will see I am doing exactly this. And I will win eventually!) o Separate personalities from their arguments. If you want say You Are Wrong, it is perfectly possible to say this without direct personal attack. Yep, some people will violate this and upset you, just ignore it. o Separate people's character from their ideas. ... Oh, I have already said that. :-) o Lastly. A positive argument, crisis, storm, whatever, has two phases. The first can be unpleasant if we are not all 100% emotionally and socially very intelligent, which alas we are not. Airing dirty washing (English idiom = talking publicly about things that were previously private). Violent disagreements. Healthy, but highly adversarial debate. And so on. It is only positive if there is a second closure phase, that involves calm reflection, consensus-seeking, taking other people's views into account ... and deciding on a course of action that you may not be 100% happy with, but a large number of people are ... And we actually do something! It really annoys how little we consciously move on to the that ultra-important phase 2! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] discussion: inclusion and alcohol
Recently I attended the Google Summer of Code 10 Year Reunion. All the events there were set-up well for those that wished to drink and those that didn't. I think the significant things that I noticed that really helped were the following: 1. Good non-alcoholic options for those that didn't drink, also the events weren't at a bar. One was at the San Jose Tech Museum and the other was at a hotel. 2. Different spaces for people. Just meaning for example the Saturday event night had live music and board games. If the live music was too loud though there were places to retreat to not in the main ballroom. Of course this was held at a hotel so there were multiple room options. The board games in this case were really a nice touch for those drinking and non-drinking alike that maybe aren't that comfortable making small talk. Of course this is Google having a big event, so cost wasn't an issue. I do think there are lower cost ways to do this though. Especially if a conference is held at a university. In Washington DC when I lived there we had daytime events on the weekends that were usually a combination of mapping and editing data. Usually at a coffee shop or at one point outside at the zoo. Another option is offices, bookstores, coffeeshops, hackerspaces, community centers, libraries or other places that can be used for gatherings. Sometimes I find it funny having moved back from a country were the majority of the people didn't really drink (Indonesia) to the United States. There were way better non-alcohlic drinks in Indonesia as you might suspect. Though there isn't a reason not to have a couple options. Best, -Kate On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Richard, Yes, it's quite significant. There are many events, eg at SOTM-US where I've felt very uncomfortable both due to alcohol and noise. It's hard to find public places to hold social events that don't serve alcohol, though. While I do drink on occasion (once every 3-4 months), I often feel a bit uncomfortable with the alcohol culture of geek events in general. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)
Paweł Marynowski writes: When you make import, people are starting make notes about imprecise data. I would note that, for decades, the best way to get correct information on the Internet has been to post incorrect information. I don't think that has changed, so yeah, let's import data even if its quality is not 100%. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Addresses are a tiny fraction of what we do (was: The world’s best addressable map)
No one does imports without audit of random samples. We do it as well. The percentage of errors checked in tested area corresponds to the average content errors created by OpenStreetMap mappers. Of course, this must be checked each time, if we import data. We should never believe in the quality of whole geodatabase, if we check only the part. Best regards, Marek Dnia 3 listopada 2014 4:38 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com napisał(a): Paweł Marynowski writes: When you make import, people are starting make notes about imprecise data. I would note that, for decades, the best way to get correct information on the Internet has been to post incorrect information. I don't think that has changed, so yeah, let's import data even if its quality is not 100%. -- --my blog is at http://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] discussion: inclusion and alcohol
There's a variety of ways to meet and talk. At this event about three thousand people meet every Sunday. As you can see they eat, drink and talk together [1] all right. There is also child-care service [2], and genders are represented about equally [3], age groups too. By the way, the main event takes place on December 5 - 6, 2014 [4]. The online registration is open until November 9. It is an international event with 35000+ participants. There are different age groups, from 6 to 70+ years. brgds Oleksiy [1] http://www.escalade.ch/photos/2014/entrainements/62/3429.jpg [2] http://www.escalade.ch/photos/2014/entrainements/62/3399.jpg [3] http://www.escalade.ch/photos/2014/entrainements/59/3249.jpg http://www.escalade.ch/photos/2014/entrainements/60/3302.jpg [4] http://escalade.ch/web/2014/en ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-br] Novidades
Acho que criar um desafio para copiar nomes de ruas do IBGE seria uma excelente ideia. Vou trabalhar nisso. []s Em 02/11/2014 20:07, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br escreveu: Algumas novidades do OSM Changesets agora possuem o recurso de comentários: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing- changeset-discussions/ Quem for participar do State of the Map, no próximo fim de semana em Buenos Aires, vai acontecer um encontro das comunidades latinoamericanas. Vai ser no sábado às 14h30. Além disso, podemos marcar um horário para nós brasileiros batermos um papo também. Não sei se vocês sabiam, mas o MapRoulette possui tarefas em todo o mundo. Da última vez que eu havia usado, era apenas nos Estados Unidos: http://maproulette.org/ Foi publicado um tutorial de como criar desafios para o MapRoulette: https://gist.github.com/mvexel/b5ad1cb0c91ac245ea3f até mais, wille ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Novidades
Antes de copiar os nomes, as ruas tem q existir, então o primeiro tinha q ser desenhar o Brasil inteiro não? Eu to desenhando todas vias asfaltadas num raio de 160 quilômetros de Brasília. To acabando. Em 02/11/2014 23:00, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Acho que criar um desafio para copiar nomes de ruas do IBGE seria uma excelente ideia. Vou trabalhar nisso. []s Em 02/11/2014 20:07, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br escreveu: Algumas novidades do OSM Changesets agora possuem o recurso de comentários: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing- changeset-discussions/ Quem for participar do State of the Map, no próximo fim de semana em Buenos Aires, vai acontecer um encontro das comunidades latinoamericanas. Vai ser no sábado às 14h30. Além disso, podemos marcar um horário para nós brasileiros batermos um papo também. Não sei se vocês sabiam, mas o MapRoulette possui tarefas em todo o mundo. Da última vez que eu havia usado, era apenas nos Estados Unidos: http://maproulette.org/ Foi publicado um tutorial de como criar desafios para o MapRoulette: https://gist.github.com/mvexel/b5ad1cb0c91ac245ea3f até mais, wille ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Novidades
Sim, são dois trabalhos. Mas uma vez que temos vias sem nome, podemos fazer uma tarefa para preenchê-los. Em 02/11/2014 23:04, Erick de Oliveira Leal erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com escreveu: Antes de copiar os nomes, as ruas tem q existir, então o primeiro tinha q ser desenhar o Brasil inteiro não? Eu to desenhando todas vias asfaltadas num raio de 160 quilômetros de Brasília. To acabando. Em 02/11/2014 23:00, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Acho que criar um desafio para copiar nomes de ruas do IBGE seria uma excelente ideia. Vou trabalhar nisso. []s Em 02/11/2014 20:07, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br escreveu: Algumas novidades do OSM Changesets agora possuem o recurso de comentários: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing- changeset-discussions/ Quem for participar do State of the Map, no próximo fim de semana em Buenos Aires, vai acontecer um encontro das comunidades latinoamericanas. Vai ser no sábado às 14h30. Além disso, podemos marcar um horário para nós brasileiros batermos um papo também. Não sei se vocês sabiam, mas o MapRoulette possui tarefas em todo o mundo. Da última vez que eu havia usado, era apenas nos Estados Unidos: http://maproulette.org/ Foi publicado um tutorial de como criar desafios para o MapRoulette: https://gist.github.com/mvexel/b5ad1cb0c91ac245ea3f até mais, wille ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Novidades
Ótimo. Em 02/11/2014 23:10, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Sim, são dois trabalhos. Mas uma vez que temos vias sem nome, podemos fazer uma tarefa para preenchê-los. Em 02/11/2014 23:04, Erick de Oliveira Leal erickdeoliveiral...@gmail.com escreveu: Antes de copiar os nomes, as ruas tem q existir, então o primeiro tinha q ser desenhar o Brasil inteiro não? Eu to desenhando todas vias asfaltadas num raio de 160 quilômetros de Brasília. To acabando. Em 02/11/2014 23:00, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Acho que criar um desafio para copiar nomes de ruas do IBGE seria uma excelente ideia. Vou trabalhar nisso. []s Em 02/11/2014 20:07, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br escreveu: Algumas novidades do OSM Changesets agora possuem o recurso de comentários: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing- changeset-discussions/ Quem for participar do State of the Map, no próximo fim de semana em Buenos Aires, vai acontecer um encontro das comunidades latinoamericanas. Vai ser no sábado às 14h30. Além disso, podemos marcar um horário para nós brasileiros batermos um papo também. Não sei se vocês sabiam, mas o MapRoulette possui tarefas em todo o mundo. Da última vez que eu havia usado, era apenas nos Estados Unidos: http://maproulette.org/ Foi publicado um tutorial de como criar desafios para o MapRoulette: https://gist.github.com/mvexel/b5ad1cb0c91ac245ea3f até mais, wille ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-de] Neues Feature auf OSM: Changeset-Diskussion
Hallo, ab sofort ist es auf der OSM-Webseite möglich, einen Diskussions-Faden and Changesets zu hängen. Damit können problematische Edits direkt und für alle sichtbar kommentiert werden, und es dürfte seltener vorkommen, dass zig Leute einem Mapper eine Nachricht schreiben. Aber auch für positives Feedback oder sogar Willkommensnachrichten an neue Mapper ist das Feature geeignet. Bislang musste man solche Diskussionen immer in einem anderen Medium führen und zum jeweiligen Changeset linken; nun kann die Diskussion direkt beim Changeset erscheinen. Das ist sicherlich noch nicht perfekt und wird mit der Zeit noch reifen, aber ich finde es schonmal eine sehr gute Sache. Das ganze ist das Resultat eines Google Summer of Code-Projekts und wurde von Lukasz Gurdek, einem Studenten aus Polen, implementiert. Mentor in dem Projekt war Serge Wroclawski. Eine detaillierte Beschreibung hier: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing-changeset-discussions/ Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Neues Feature auf OSM: Changeset-Diskussion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 02.11.2014 um 22:59 schrieb Frederik Ramm: ab sofort ist es auf der OSM-Webseite möglich, einen Diskussions-Faden and Changesets zu hängen. +1 mehr muss man dazu wohl nicht sagen. Gefällt mir sehr gut also eher +3 ;-) MfG Angie - -- - --BEGIN H*KEY BLOCK- v4sw5CPUhw5pr5FPck2ma8u7Lw3XGm1l7ELi3JNTe7t4TNDVb5Oen5g3/2ZMa5XsSr1p md575107a5d52c10f952288d17f2df7af632 - ---END H*KEY BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlRWuA0ACgkQbWutCqbzQO23RQCfe70y4epZDYtnna2kEkzS7Ckn cgMAoNiQSaNVdCo9LBOT8lwoGxJeWFHf =Jjxq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bettelampeln / Anforderungsampeln
Am 31.10.2014 um 14:11 schrieb Richard Z.: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:33:26AM +0100, DarkAngel wrote: Hi, gibt es eigentlich Tags für Bettelampeln d.h. Fuß/Radfahrer Ampeln die nur auf Anforderung grün werden? Die Dinger heißen Bedarfsampel und damit finden man sie auch unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:crossing Über den Rest kann man sich streiten, ich finde sie sinnvoller als bei Rot zu warten obwohl weit und breit kein anderer zu sehen ist. Würden mehr Ampeln nach Bedarf geschaltet würde der Verkehr auch flüssiger funktionieren. soso, die Autofahrer könnten auch mal einen Knopf drücken und warten, wie wäre das zur Abwechslung? Richard Das mit dem Knopf ist natürlich unpraktisch weil man den vom Auto schlecht bedienen kann. Als Radfahrer kann ich aber bequem den Knopf drücken, brauche nicht mal die Füße von den Pedalen nehmen und kann dann hoffentlich bald weiterfahren. Allerdings gibt es für Kfz die Induktionsschleifen, an denen die Fahrzeuge auf der Nebenstraße dann auch anhalten müssen. Letztlich gibt es diese Bedarfsampeln (zumindest bei uns) vorwiegend an Stellen, wo nur selten Querverkehr (egal welcher Art) auftritt. Dann haben auf der Hauptstrecke alle Verkehrsteilnehmer grün und die auf der Nebenstrecke müssen ihren Bedarf entsprechend anmelden. Das macht Sinn, weil sonst der Hauptverkehr ständig warten müsste auch wenn niemand die Strecke queren möchte. Der Verkehr der Nebenstrecke muss aufgrund der kürzeren Grünphasen bei einer regulären Ampelschaltung mit höherer Wahrscheinlichkeit sowieso warten. Es macht also für den keinen großen Unterschied. Gerade bei einzeln stehenden Bedarfsampeln sollte aber die Wartezeit, bis der Querverkehr grün bekommt, extrem kurz sein. Gruß ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
Ciao Aury, scusami la scarsa partecipazione. Ti allego una versione del tuo testo in cui ho fatto delle modifiche. Se attivi la visualizzazione delle revisioni, le vedi tutte chiaramente. Fanne l'uso che ritiene più utile; a parte qualche piccolo errore, mi sembrava necessario modificare qualche frase all'inizio. Qui invece la copia piatta del testo con due commenti: http://bit.ly/1DJDX1D Pensavo di supportare la cosa, pubblicando un breve post con introduzione e copia della lettera su OpenDataSicilia. E' ancora uno spazio piccolo e in costruzione, ma sta ottenendo già dei piccoli risultati. La mia richiesta alla Regione Siciliana di pubblicare meglio i dati sul Rischio Idrogeologico (http://goo.gl/Iqy3hS), a quanto pare sta producendo subito dei risultati e i dataset verranno pubblicati a breve anche in formato nativo. Un po' quello che chiedi anche tu. Che ne pensi? Se ti fa piacere si crea un account per te, pubblichi la cosa e si contribuisce a farla girare. In bocca al lupo, Andrea aurelio.odt http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5822683/aurelio.odt - Andrea Borruso email: aborr...@tin.it website: http://blog.spaziogis.it my 2.0 life: http://aborruso.spaziogis.it feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Tanto 38° 7' 48 N, 13° 21' 9 E -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Aiuto-lettera-da-inviare-a-comune-siciliano-per-l-apertura-dei-dati-tp5810423p5822683.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
Ciao Andrea. Volevo chiederti se fosse possibile per te coordinare una cosa del genere su piano regionale, sulla scia di quanto avvenuto ad esempio in Sardegna con il rilascio dei dati riguardanti tutti gli edificati della regione. Riusciamo a scomodare qualcuno che possa aiutare noi poveri mappers di Trinacria? Il giorno 02/nov/2014 10:16, aborruso aborr...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao Aury, scusami la scarsa partecipazione. Ti allego una versione del tuo testo in cui ho fatto delle modifiche. Se attivi la visualizzazione delle revisioni, le vedi tutte chiaramente. Fanne l'uso che ritiene più utile; a parte qualche piccolo errore, mi sembrava necessario modificare qualche frase all'inizio. Qui invece la copia piatta del testo con due commenti: http://bit.ly/1DJDX1D Pensavo di supportare la cosa, pubblicando un breve post con introduzione e copia della lettera su OpenDataSicilia. E' ancora uno spazio piccolo e in costruzione, ma sta ottenendo già dei piccoli risultati. La mia richiesta alla Regione Siciliana di pubblicare meglio i dati sul Rischio Idrogeologico (http://goo.gl/Iqy3hS), a quanto pare sta producendo subito dei risultati e i dataset verranno pubblicati a breve anche in formato nativo. Un po' quello che chiedi anche tu. Che ne pensi? Se ti fa piacere si crea un account per te, pubblichi la cosa e si contribuisce a farla girare. In bocca al lupo, Andrea aurelio.odt http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5822683/aurelio.odt - Andrea Borruso email: aborr...@tin.it website: http://blog.spaziogis.it my 2.0 life: http://aborruso.spaziogis.it feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Tanto 38° 7' 48 N, 13° 21' 9 E -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Aiuto-lettera-da-inviare-a-comune-siciliano-per-l-apertura-dei-dati-tp5810423p5822683.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
aborruso wrote Ciao Aury, scusami la scarsa partecipazione. Ti allego una versione del tuo testo in cui ho fatto delle modifiche. Se attivi la visualizzazione delle revisioni, le vedi tutte chiaramente. Fanne l'uso che ritiene più utile; a parte qualche piccolo errore, mi sembrava necessario modificare qualche frase all'inizio. Qui invece la copia piatta del testo con due commenti: http://bit.ly/1DJDX1D Pensavo di supportare la cosa, pubblicando un breve post con introduzione e copia della lettera su OpenDataSicilia. E' ancora uno spazio piccolo e in costruzione, ma sta ottenendo già dei piccoli risultati. La mia richiesta alla Regione Siciliana di pubblicare meglio i dati sul Rischio Idrogeologico (http://goo.gl/Iqy3hS), a quanto pare sta producendo subito dei risultati e i dataset verranno pubblicati a breve anche in formato nativo. Un po' quello che chiedi anche tu. Che ne pensi? Se ti fa piacere si crea un account per te, pubblichi la cosa e si contribuisce a farla girare. In bocca al lupo, Andrea aurelio.odt http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5822683/aurelio.odt Figurati, anzi scusami te se ti ho disturbato per questa faccenda, so che hai già in ballo molto altro a cui pensare e dare giustamente precedenza. Onestamente con questa lettera più che una richiesta alla specifica città volevo dare una base ufficiale da utilizzare per eventuali future richieste da parte anche di altri mappatori e non solo per comuni o PA siciliane, quindi la tua proposta di pubblicarla su OpenDataSicilia è più che benvenuta :) Mi piacciono molto le correzioni da te apportate quindi la versione che utilizzero sarà quella da te proposta. Avrei solo tre altre domande: sai se il sistema PEC accetta mail contenenti link? e se sì quali link consigli di allegare? io ho trovato 4 trattazioni che analizzano vari vantaggi per la PA nell'adozione di opendata ma forse 4 link sono troppi o quelli da me proposti non coprono argomenti sufficientemente convincenti per un sindaco. ultima domanda è come faccio il rimando ai link in fondo alla pagina. - Ciao, Aury -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Aiuto-lettera-da-inviare-a-comune-siciliano-per-l-apertura-dei-dati-tp5810423p5822698.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
Ciao Aury, Aury88 wrote Figurati, anzi scusami te se ti ho disturbato per questa faccenda, so che hai già in ballo molto altro a cui pensare e dare giustamente precedenza. macché disturbo. E poi mica ho chissà quale incarico :) Onestamente con questa lettera più che una richiesta alla specifica città volevo dare una base ufficiale da utilizzare per eventuali future richieste da parte anche di altri mappatori e non solo per comuni o PA siciliane, quindi la tua proposta di pubblicarla su OpenDataSicilia è più che benvenuta :) Mi piacciono molto le correzioni da te apportate quindi la versione che utilizzero sarà quella da te proposta. Mi fa piacere. E più verrà revisionata da te, me e altri, più migliorerà. Avrei solo tre altre domande: sai se il sistema PEC accetta mail contenenti link? e se sì quali link consigli di allegare? io ho trovato 4 trattazioni che analizzano vari vantaggi per la PA nell'adozione di opendata ma forse 4 link sono troppi o quelli da me proposti non coprono argomenti sufficientemente convincenti per un sindaco. ultima domanda è come faccio il rimando ai link in fondo alla pagina. Aury se usi testo piano e un po' di pulizia non c'è PEC che tenga ;) Aggiungerei la frase che trovi in fondo alla seguente e tra parentesi: I vantaggi nel rendere i propri dati di pubblica fruizione e rilasciati con licenze open sono talmente evidenti, numerosi ed importanti (vedi lista in fondo). E alla fine del testo, magari dopo un separatore, la sitografia che hai preparato. Trovi un esempio nel testo: http://bit.ly/1DJDX1D Non è detto il sindaco leggerà nessuno di quei post e non dipenderà dal numero. Prima di inviare il tutto aspetterei l'ok da qualcuno sulla frase con licenza CC0 o CC BY. Dovrebbe andare bene, ma non si può sbagliare. Ti faccio allora un account su OpenDataSicilia? Buona domenica, a - Andrea Borruso email: aborr...@tin.it website: http://blog.spaziogis.it my 2.0 life: http://aborruso.spaziogis.it feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Tanto 38° 7' 48 N, 13° 21' 9 E -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Aiuto-lettera-da-inviare-a-comune-siciliano-per-l-apertura-dei-dati-tp5810423p5822705.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
Ciao John, John Doe wrote Ciao Andrea. Volevo chiederti se fosse possibile per te coordinare una cosa del genere su piano regionale, sulla scia di quanto avvenuto ad esempio in Sardegna con il rilascio dei dati riguardanti tutti gli edificati della regione. Riusciamo a scomodare qualcuno che possa aiutare noi poveri mappers di Trinacria? non lo so quello che è possibile fare, ma finché non ci si prova ... E quindi grazie per la proposta. Partirei con una cosa limitata. Se parte una piccola palla di neve, poi facilmente dovrebbe poter diventare valanga. La Regione Sardegna ha liberato il layer poligonale degli edifici di sua proprietà? Parli di questo? A dopo - Andrea Borruso email: aborr...@tin.it website: http://blog.spaziogis.it my 2.0 life: http://aborruso.spaziogis.it feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Tanto 38° 7' 48 N, 13° 21' 9 E -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Aiuto-lettera-da-inviare-a-comune-siciliano-per-l-apertura-dei-dati-tp5810423p5822707.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
Parlo di questo https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2014-March/003061.html. È possibile fare lo stesso richiedendo i dati alla Regione Sicilia? Il giorno 02/nov/2014 13:14, aborruso aborr...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao John, John Doe wrote Ciao Andrea. Volevo chiederti se fosse possibile per te coordinare una cosa del genere su piano regionale, sulla scia di quanto avvenuto ad esempio in Sardegna con il rilascio dei dati riguardanti tutti gli edificati della regione. Riusciamo a scomodare qualcuno che possa aiutare noi poveri mappers di Trinacria? non lo so quello che è possibile fare, ma finché non ci si prova ... E quindi grazie per la proposta. Partirei con una cosa limitata. Se parte una piccola palla di neve, poi facilmente dovrebbe poter diventare valanga. La Regione Sardegna ha liberato il layer poligonale degli edifici di sua proprietà? Parli di questo? A dopo - Andrea Borruso email: aborr...@tin.it website: http://blog.spaziogis.it my 2.0 life: http://aborruso.spaziogis.it feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Tanto 38° 7' 48 N, 13° 21' 9 E -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Aiuto-lettera-da-inviare-a-comune-siciliano-per-l-apertura-dei-dati-tp5810423p5822707.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
Ok John, questo lo conoscevo. Mi parlavi di edificati e ho pensato parlassi di altro. Sorry. Ok, inizierei dal farci un quadro dell'attuale catalogo dati, dei formati e delle licenze usate, e poi darei inizio a tutto. Che ne pensi? __ Scusami per la brevità, ti sto scrivendo dal cellulare. website: http://blog.spaziogis.it 38° 7' 48 N, 13° 21' 9 E EPSG:4326 - Andrea Borruso email: aborr...@tin.it website: http://blog.spaziogis.it my 2.0 life: http://aborruso.spaziogis.it feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Tanto 38° 7' 48 N, 13° 21' 9 E -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Aiuto-lettera-da-inviare-a-comune-siciliano-per-l-apertura-dei-dati-tp5810423p5822712.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
Si, scusami, ho parlato di edificati; tieni conto che sono un mediocre mappatore autodidatta con una limitatissima conoscenza del mondo della geografia, dei servizi geografici territoriali, della burocrazia e di tutto quel che ruota intorno a questo universo. Da poco esperto inizio a chiederti (dato che ho sentito parlare di te come una persona dalle profonde conoscenze in tal campo): vi sono fonti di dati geografici per l'intera regione aggiornate, complete e valide per le quali varrebbe la pena scrivere? se si, quali sono? che licenza hanno? nello specifico che tipo di dati contengono? a chi potremmo scrivere per vedere rilasciato questo materiale con una licenza compatibile con OSM? Il giorno 02/nov/2014 14:26, aborruso aborr...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ok John, questo lo conoscevo. Mi parlavi di edificati e ho pensato parlassi di altro. Sorry. Ok, inizierei dal farci un quadro dell'attuale catalogo dati, dei formati e delle licenze usate, e poi darei inizio a tutto. Che ne pensi? __ Scusami per la brevità, ti sto scrivendo dal cellulare. website: http://blog.spaziogis.it 38° 7' 48 N, 13° 21' 9 E EPSG:4326 Andrea Borruso email: aborr...@tin.it website: http://blog.spaziogis.it my 2.0 life: http://aborruso.spaziogis.it feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Tanto 38° 7' 48 N, 13° 21' 9 E -- View this message in context: Re: Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Aiuto-lettera-da-inviare-a-comune-siciliano-per-l-apertura-dei-dati-tp5810423p5822712.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Italy-General-f5324174.html at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
Il 02.11.2014 13:04 aborruso ha scritto: Prima di inviare il tutto aspetterei l'ok da qualcuno sulla frase con licenza CC0 o CC BY. Dovrebbe andare bene, ma non si può sbagliare. Ma non potremmo evitare proprio CCBY, che per essere usata richiede comunque la presenza di un'eccezione sulle normali regole di attribuzione e personalmente la sento a rischio in caso di futuri cambi di licenza? Magari si potrebbe aggiungere altre licenze compatibili (includendo la ODbL stessa), se non si vuole lasciare una sola scelta. Ciao -- Luigi Scopri istella, il nuovo motore per il web italiano. Istella garantisce risultati di qualità e la possibilità di condividere, in modo semplice e veloce, documenti, immagini, audio e video. Usa istella, vai su http://www.istella.it?wtk=amc138614816829636 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
Ciao Luigi, ho rimosso CC By dal documento e inserito la ODBL. Aggiungi tu per favore eventualmente le altre che ritieni più opportune? Il testo è qui http://bit.ly/1DJDX1D Grazie - Andrea Borruso email: aborr...@tin.it website: http://blog.spaziogis.it my 2.0 life: http://aborruso.spaziogis.it feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Tanto 38° 7' 48 N, 13° 21' 9 E -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Aiuto-lettera-da-inviare-a-comune-siciliano-per-l-apertura-dei-dati-tp5810423p5822720.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
Ciao John (ma come ti chiami?), John Doe wrote vi sono fonti di dati geografici per l'intera regione aggiornate, complete e valide per le quali varrebbe la pena scrivere? se si, quali sono? che licenza hanno? nello specifico che tipo di dati contengono? a chi potremmo scrivere per vedere rilasciato questo materiale con una licenza compatibile con OSM? c'è l'immenso patrimonio delle Carte Tecniche Regionali (CTR). L'accesso attualmente è soltanto in WMS, quindi soltanto alla loro rappresentazione e non al dato grezzo, ed inoltre su queste esiste un decreto assessoriale (http://www.sitr.regione.sicilia.it/content/view/138/148/) che fissa i termini economici della cessione dei dati, ma non la licenza (nel senso che sembra valere quella che dichiarano nei servizi). In ogni caso ad oggi il dato grezzo non è pubblicato, e quindi non è nemmeno potenzialmente importabile. Sto provando da un po' a parlare con l'assessorato Territorio e Ambiente, e l'autorizzazione al tracciamento sulle ortofoto è anche un piccolo frutto di questo dialogo. In questi giorni è cambiato il funzionario responsabile del settore e quindi la cosa si è fermata. Il tema che volevo sviluppare era proprio quello della licenza delle CTR. Potremmo iniziare a creare un gruppo di lavoro per portare avanti la cosa. E' recentissima la pubblicazione di dati grezzi sui Piani Paesaggistici delle Isole Egadi e di Trapani, che potrebbero contenere dati interessanti (http://www.sitr.regione.sicilia.it/geoportale/it/Home/SearchMetadata?search=wfs). Sono in CC-BY SA. Saluti - Andrea Borruso email: aborr...@tin.it website: http://blog.spaziogis.it my 2.0 life: http://aborruso.spaziogis.it feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Tanto 38° 7' 48 N, 13° 21' 9 E -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Aiuto-lettera-da-inviare-a-comune-siciliano-per-l-apertura-dei-dati-tp5810423p5822723.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Altro caso di mancata attribuzione
Max, hai ragione, ho preso il link dalla barra degli indirizzi ma vedo che inserendolo direttamente non funziona, scusate per il disguido. Gli opendata si trovano partendo da www.arpa.umbria.it http://www.arpa.umbria.it e selezionando Dati Ambientali, in quella pagina si trova il link agli opendata. Per la cronaca ho scritto a opend...@arpa.umbria.it, dato che quei dataset non sono presenti tra quelli del sito della regione, vediamo se risponderanno. Ciao Marcello Il 01/11/2014 22:30, Max1234Ita ha scritto: Uh che strano... la pagina dell'ARPA Umbria che c'è nel link risulta non esistente... MAH! MAx -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Altro-caso-di-mancata-attribuzione-tp5822598p5822653.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
Piacere, Massimo. Sarei interessatissimo al discorso riguardante le CTR. Domanda da ignorante in materia: in che formato dovrebbero essere rilasciati i dati grezzi? Sarei interessato ad un gruppo di lavoro (anche se momentaneamente solo per via telematica attualmente vivo a Roma). Potremmo organizzare per iniziare dei meeting via IRC, Skype, Hangouts o come meglio credete (sarei disponibile più che altro nel week end per motivi lavorativi). Il giorno 02/nov/2014 16:12, aborruso aborr...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao John (ma come ti chiami?), John Doe wrote vi sono fonti di dati geografici per l'intera regione aggiornate, complete e valide per le quali varrebbe la pena scrivere? se si, quali sono? che licenza hanno? nello specifico che tipo di dati contengono? a chi potremmo scrivere per vedere rilasciato questo materiale con una licenza compatibile con OSM? c'è l'immenso patrimonio delle Carte Tecniche Regionali (CTR). L'accesso attualmente è soltanto in WMS, quindi soltanto alla loro rappresentazione e non al dato grezzo, ed inoltre su queste esiste un decreto assessoriale (http://www.sitr.regione.sicilia.it/content/view/138/148/) che fissa i termini economici della cessione dei dati, ma non la licenza (nel senso che sembra valere quella che dichiarano nei servizi). In ogni caso ad oggi il dato grezzo non è pubblicato, e quindi non è nemmeno potenzialmente importabile. Sto provando da un po' a parlare con l'assessorato Territorio e Ambiente, e l'autorizzazione al tracciamento sulle ortofoto è anche un piccolo frutto di questo dialogo. In questi giorni è cambiato il funzionario responsabile del settore e quindi la cosa si è fermata. Il tema che volevo sviluppare era proprio quello della licenza delle CTR. Potremmo iniziare a creare un gruppo di lavoro per portare avanti la cosa. E' recentissima la pubblicazione di dati grezzi sui Piani Paesaggistici delle Isole Egadi e di Trapani, che potrebbero contenere dati interessanti ( http://www.sitr.regione.sicilia.it/geoportale/it/Home/SearchMetadata?search=wfs ). Sono in CC-BY SA. Saluti - Andrea Borruso email: aborr...@tin.it website: http://blog.spaziogis.it my 2.0 life: http://aborruso.spaziogis.it feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Tanto 38° 7' 48 N, 13° 21' 9 E -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Aiuto-lettera-da-inviare-a-comune-siciliano-per-l-apertura-dei-dati-tp5810423p5822723.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Aiuto:lettera da inviare a comune siciliano per l'apertura dei dati
aborruso wrote Aury se usi testo piano e un po' di pulizia non c'è PEC che tenga ;) Aggiungerei la frase che trovi in fondo alla seguente e tra parentesi: I vantaggi nel rendere i propri dati di pubblica fruizione e rilasciati con licenze open sono talmente evidenti, numerosi ed importanti (vedi lista in fondo). E alla fine del testo, magari dopo un separatore, la sitografia che hai preparato. Trovi un esempio nel testo: http://bit.ly/1DJDX1D Non è detto il sindaco leggerà nessuno di quei post e non dipenderà dal numero. Prima di inviare il tutto aspetterei l'ok da qualcuno sulla frase con licenza CC0 o CC BY. Dovrebbe andare bene, ma non si può sbagliare. Ti faccio allora un account su OpenDataSicilia? Buona domenica, a Ok perfetto! grazie ancora. aspetterò allora conferma per la licenze di rilascio . per quanto riguarda l'accout per me va più che bene ma considera che non vivo in Sicilia ma sono residente in Lombardia ;) - Ciao, Aury -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Aiuto-lettera-da-inviare-a-comune-siciliano-per-l-apertura-dei-dati-tp5810423p5822731.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Altro caso di mancata attribuzione
Title: Firma Ciao Il 02/11/2014 16:22, Marcello ha scritto: Max, hai ragione, ho preso il link dalla barra degli indirizzi ma vedo che inserendolo direttamente non funziona, scusate per il disguido. Gli manca solo la x alla fine, poi funziona ;-) [1] Gli opendata si trovano partendo da www.arpa.umbria.it e selezionando Dati Ambientali, in quella pagina si trova il link agli opendata. Per la cronaca ho scritto a opend...@arpa.umbria.it, dato che quei dataset non sono presenti tra quelli del sito della regione, vediamo se risponderanno. Ciao Marcello Il 01/11/2014 22:30, Max1234Ita ha scritto: Uh che strano... la pagina dell'ARPA Umbria che c'è nel link risulta non esistente... MAH! MAx -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Altro-caso-di-mancata-attribuzione-tp5822598p5822653.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Ciao Giuliano [1] http://www.arpa.umbria.it/open-data.aspx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Discussioni sui gruppi di modifiche
Giusto per segnalare questa nuova ed utile feature: https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/11/02/introducing-changeset-discussions/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Confronto DUG di OSM con ISTAT
Daniele Forsi-2 wrote La ricerca trova 7143 nomi (una settimana fa erano 7144: 33 nomi sono stati modificati, ma ne sono arrivati 32 nuovi, se continua così fra 7133 settimane abbiamo finito, spero che arrivino). Grazie Daniele per i tool che ci metti a disposizione. Li ho usati volentieri piu' volte per le segnalazioni ortografiche. Ora vedo se riesco a sistemare qualche DUG... Ciao. -- Marco_T -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Confronto-DUG-di-OSM-con-ISTAT-tp5821298p5822756.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Fwd: Hackathon sulla mobilità
Inoltro da Talk-it-Lazio se qualcuno vuole partecipare... Ciao a tutti, sono Mara di Codemotion. Per metà dicembre stiamo organizzando un hackathon sulla mobilità a Roma e ci piacerebbe contattarvi per spiegarvi il progetto e coinvolgervi Si tratta di un hackathon sulla mobilità che si svolgerà dal 12 al 14 dic, dove saranno coinvolti anche realtà molto attive nel settore (scusate non posso ancora scriverli pubblicamente perché il sito non è ancora online, ma già la prossima settimana sarà reso tutto pubblico). L’obiettivo in generale è quello di arricchire la fruizione trasporto pubblico, sviluppando applicazioni e progetti più efficaci connessi alla mobilità. L’Hackathon è rivolto a sviluppatori, designer, startup, studenti, maker ma anche a chi lavora nella comunicazione o nel settore mobilità. Avrà la durata di 36 ore continuative. Abbiamo pensato di coinvolgere Open Street Map perché ci pare che ci sia attinenza :-) Quello che praticamente ci servirebbe è qualcuno del team che venga ad illustrare come funziona il sistema di Open Street Map e che risponda ad eventuali dubbi degli sviluppatori. Eventualmente sarebbe bello se un vostro team partecipasse all’hackathon proprio con un vostro progetto. Un saluto, Mara Il giorno 30 ottobre 2014 13:40, Mara Marzocchi [hidden email] ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, Per metà dicembre stiamo organizzando un hackathon sulla mobilità a Roma e ci piacerebbe contattarvi per spiegarvi il progetto e coinvolgervi. Posso avere un vostro riferimento? Un saluto e grazie, Mara ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Possibilità di mappe offline
Salve, visto l'enorme giro che si dovrebbe fare per ottenere lo possibilità di avere le mappe offline (che sia sul desktop o su dispositivo mobile) mi chiedevo se ci fosse un modo un pò meno macchinoso e meno impegnativo per poter dare la possibilità di avere le mappe offline? Grazie,Nazario___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Possibilità di mappe offline
copia locale del db per l'area d'interesse e render onthefly On 3 Nov 2014 09:39, nazario.derr...@alice.it nazario.derr...@alice.it wrote: Salve, visto l'enorme giro che si dovrebbe fare per ottenere lo possibilità di avere le mappe offline (che sia sul desktop o su dispositivo mobile) mi chiedevo se ci fosse un modo un pò meno macchinoso e meno impegnativo per poter dare la possibilità di avere le mappe offline? Grazie, Nazario ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Possibilità di mappe offline
Il 11/03/2014 08:38 AM, nazario.derr...@alice.it scrisse: Salve, visto l'enorme giro che si dovrebbe fare per ottenere lo possibilità di avere le mappe offline (che sia sul desktop o su dispositivo mobile) mi chiedevo se ci fosse un modo un pò meno macchinoso e meno impegnativo per poter dare la possibilità di avere le mappe offline? Senza offesa, incaricare di questa parte del lavoro qualcuno che lo sappia fare. Ci sono vari programmi che scaricano tiles a richiesta, ad esempio questa: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.beholder.offlinemaps Contatta lo sviluppatore, magari ti puo' aiutare. ciao maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-ar] Consulta uso notas
Mi criterio es adherirar al punto 2: no tocar, a menos que tenga conocimiento personal del elemento (pase o consulte a alguien). En cuanto a solucionar la cuestion, la opcion es consultar a las partes creador de POI (fagervan), y al creador de la nota ... Saludos. Sefer. De: Manuel Kaufmann humi...@gmail.com Para: OpenStreetMap Argentina talk-ar@openstreetmap.org Enviado: Domingo, 2 de noviembre, 2014 10:19:36 Asunto: [Talk-ar] Consulta uso notas Hola, Estuve mirando el mapa (por cualquier otra razón) y me encontré con esta nota: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/254517#map=19/-27.69362/-67.61937layers=N La nota señala que ese banco no está más en esa ubicación. Es todo lo que dice. Ahora bien, ¿qué acción habría que tomar en estos casos?: 1. simplemente eliminar el banco del mapa 2. corroborar la veracidad de la nota: ¿cómo?. Yo no tengo acceso a ese lugar... ¿Entonces? No me concierne y no debería hacer nada. 3. en este caso en particular, el autor de la nota NO ES ANONIMO... por lo que se le podría dejar un comentario y ver si contesta 4. ¿otra sugerencias de acciones? 5. en páginas blancas no aparece ese banco ahí Saludos, PD: ¿hay alguna forma de hacer click sobre el ícono del banco y obtener la misma info de etiquetas que se obtiene en JOSM? Jajaja! Me fui a buscar Fiamabalá, Catamarca en Google Maps y me encontré con... NADA: https://www.google.com.ar/maps/place/Fiambal%C3%A1,+Catamarca/@-27.6891989,-67.6266937,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x969e30f162b7c3bf:0xd70071b33b64eb44 ¡Qué buena onda OSM! -- Kaufmann Manuel -- http://elblogdehumitos.com.ar ___ Talk-ar mailing list Talk-ar@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ar ___ Talk-ar mailing list Talk-ar@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ar
Re: [Talk-at] natural=valley (war: Namen von Objekten ohne Schild)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hallo, Einen Nebenaspekt von Friedrichs Email aufgreifend: Am 01.11.2014 um 19:46 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann: Leider kenne ich keine Karte, in der natural=valley (d.h. dessen Name) angezeigt wird. Weder die auf openstreetmap.org auswählbaren Layers, noch die Opentopomap, noch die Wanderreitkarte. Hoffentlich wird das noch. Ich habe an einer Karte mitgearbeitet, bei der es uns (auch) auf Gebirge/Kämme und Täler ankommt: [1]. Das Rendering ist noch nicht perfekt, könnte sich aber mit den neuen mapnik Features jetzt noch verbessern. Ein konkretes Beispiel ist die Gegend um Schladming [2] (ggf. mit dem Filter rechts die Rad-Icons und -Routen reduzieren, um die Beschriftung zu sehen), wo südlich davon in OSM auch ein paar Täler entsprechend gemappt sind. Leider verwenden tatsächlich auch nach meiner Erfahrung nur sehr wenige die Tags natural=ridge und natural=valley ... [1] http://www.bikemap.net/ [2] http://www.bikemap.net/de/?tab=top#/z12/47.3273,13.68381/terrain Viele Grüße, Holger - -- Holger Schoener nume...@ancalime.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlRWomwACgkQCfbqiyWyaKa4aQCeIVFvGniW4Mjzpow/OEQ1PS6v FusAn1wT5Lp3whC/zXIWdtE6VZO8PYuP =dviK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] natural=valley (war: Namen von Objekten ohne Schild)
On 02.11.14 22:30, Holger Schöner wrote: Leider verwenden tatsächlich auch nach meiner Erfahrung nur sehr wenige die Tags natural=ridge und natural=valley ... natural=ridge ist mir schon mehrmals untergekommen, das liegt wohl nur am fehlenden Rendering, dass das selten verwendet wird. Aber natural=valley scheint mir nicht wirklich durchüberlegt. Sehr häufig fließt wohl in einem Tal ein Bach/Fluß, und was man eigentlich will, ist dem Bach/Fluß-Stück in diesem Tal einen weiteren Namen, nämlich den des Tals, geben; anstatt einen weiteren Way zu machen. Und das geht wegen der doppelten name-Verwendung dann nicht. /al ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
[Talk-cz] pLPIS - nepřesnosti
Zdravím. Používám Tracer na vykreslování polí. Údaje z pLPIS se na mnoha místech zdají velmi dobré pro určení zda jde o ornou půdu či chmelnici či traviny a podobně tak v určení geometrie. Najdou se však místa, kde se zdá z jiných zdrojů (různé letecké/satelitní mapy či náznaky z katastru), že údaje v pořádku nejsou (neurčená či špatně určená půda či chybná geometrie). U geometrie se někdy ukáže, že jakoby nedotažené pole v pLPIS je v pořádku, jelikož tam, kde dříve bylo pole se již staví... Nicméně jsou místa, kde se zdá chyba v pLPIS dost jistá. Jak pak postupovat? Já jsem již několikrát například při neurčené či chybně určené půdě postupoval tak, že jsem ji doplnil či opravil a přitom nechal reference na pLPIS. Při chybném určení geometrie jsem měl již několikrát tendenci ji opravit a v některých případech referenci na pLPIS nechat a v některých jsem ji raději zrušil (když již změn z mé strany bylo příliš). Jak postupujete, když údaje z pLPIS vyhodnotíte jako nepřesné? Uvedu příklad (i když vybral jsem takový, kde si nejsem jist, zda jde o nepřesnost pLPIS či zastaralé letecké snímky): * 49.703214 17.420063 - pole se mi zdá v pLPIS do těchto míst přehnaně přetažené, naopak se zdá, že zde začíná jiné pole, které v pLPIS chybí - nejraději bych zde pole zkrátil (což bylo zatím již narychlo učiněno) a zakreslil navazující pole co v pLPIS není, ale dle Bing existuje * 49.705593 17.410795 - jde o místo, kde dle pLPIS pole již není, ale dle Bing se zdá, že jde o pokračování pole, které je v pLPIS jakoby náhle ukončeno Zdraví Marek ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] pLPIS - nepřesnosti
Ahoj, v LPIS nejsou úplně všechna pole. Jsou tam jen ta pole, na která žádají farmáři dotace. Nicméně je to mnohem lepší než nic ;-) Takže pokud v LPIS pole není, ale dle bingu/km tam pole je, tak jej tam dokresli. Pokud tam dle km stojí budovy, nebo se tam staví, tak to zase patřičně uprav. Možná by se hodilo i zkontrolovat datum od kdy to platí na http://eagri.cz/public/app/lpisext/lpis/verejny/ Netuším jak je to s hlášením chyb. Možná něco najdeš v souvisejících zákonech: http://eagri.cz/public/web/mze/farmar/LPIS/ Marián Dne 2.11.2014 09:23, Marek Chlup napsal(a): Zdravím. Používám Tracer na vykreslování polí. Údaje z pLPIS se na mnoha místech zdají velmi dobré pro určení zda jde o ornou půdu či chmelnici či traviny a podobně tak v určení geometrie. Najdou se však místa, kde se zdá z jiných zdrojů (různé letecké/satelitní mapy či náznaky z katastru), že údaje v pořádku nejsou (neurčená či špatně určená půda či chybná geometrie). U geometrie se někdy ukáže, že jakoby nedotažené pole v pLPIS je v pořádku, jelikož tam, kde dříve bylo pole se již staví... Nicméně jsou místa, kde se zdá chyba v pLPIS dost jistá. Jak pak postupovat? Já jsem již několikrát například při neurčené či chybně určené půdě postupoval tak, že jsem ji doplnil či opravil a přitom nechal reference na pLPIS. Při chybném určení geometrie jsem měl již několikrát tendenci ji opravit a v některých případech referenci na pLPIS nechat a v některých jsem ji raději zrušil (když již změn z mé strany bylo příliš). Jak postupujete, když údaje z pLPIS vyhodnotíte jako nepřesné? Uvedu příklad (i když vybral jsem takový, kde si nejsem jist, zda jde o nepřesnost pLPIS či zastaralé letecké snímky): * 49.703214 17.420063 - pole se mi zdá v pLPIS do těchto míst přehnaně přetažené, naopak se zdá, že zde začíná jiné pole, které v pLPIS chybí - nejraději bych zde pole zkrátil (což bylo zatím již narychlo učiněno) a zakreslil navazující pole co v pLPIS není, ale dle Bing existuje * 49.705593 17.410795 - jde o místo, kde dle pLPIS pole již není, ale dle Bing se zdá, že jde o pokračování pole, které je v pLPIS jakoby náhle ukončeno Zdraví Marek ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] pLPIS - nepřesnosti
Ahoj. Děkuji za informace. Moje otázka mířila spíše k tomu, co dělat, když pLPIS dává informace o poli, ale je velmi pravděpodobné, že údaje nejsou ok. Předpokládám, že značka ref má být nějakým pojítkem do pLPIS. Pokud vyhodnotím, že pole ve skutečnosti končí dříve než je v pLPIS (či naopak je větší) a opravím to, zda je vhodné tam nechávat ten údaj ref a možná i údaj (source=lpis). Předpokládal jsem, že to pojítko do pLPIS by mohlo být trvalejšího charakteru a v budoucnu by se dala například z pLPIS dávkově tahat data o změnách například využití půdy (změna geometrie asi by vhodná nebyla). Možná však, že dynamika změn pLPIS bude tak velká, že stejně to ref nic nebude za chvíli říkat. Marek On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 06:41:39PM +0100, Marián Kyral wrote: Ahoj, v LPIS nejsou úplně všechna pole. Jsou tam jen ta pole, na která žádají farmáři dotace. Nicméně je to mnohem lepší než nic ;-) Takže pokud v LPIS pole není, ale dle bingu/km tam pole je, tak jej tam dokresli. Pokud tam dle km stojí budovy, nebo se tam staví, tak to zase patřičně uprav. Možná by se hodilo i zkontrolovat datum od kdy to platí na http://eagri.cz/public/app/lpisext/lpis/verejny/ Netuším jak je to s hlášením chyb. Možná něco najdeš v souvisejících zákonech: http://eagri.cz/public/web/mze/farmar/LPIS/ Marián ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] une même adresse pour des équipement différents
bonjour Merci pour vos réponses :) Je vais pour le moment suivre la suggestion de Pieren (laissons les applis s'adapter) tout en ayant en tête le conseil de Christian (évitons les ambiguïtés) pour les fois prochaines. Gwen ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Plugin Osmose pour Josm
Bonjour, J’ai passé du temps à corriger les erreurs sur les pharmacies avec Josm et Osmose sur une page web. À force de crier, mes phalanges m’ont suggérées l’idée d’une plugin :-) Une petite consultation du web, et miracle il existe depuis plus de 3 ans :-) [OSM-dev-fr] Plugin Osmose pour Josm https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev-fr/2011-August/000340.html Je l’aurais bien essayé mais le lien n’est plus valable et il n’est pas disponible dans la liste des greffons de Josm. Pouvez-vous m’éclairer ? Merci d’avance, — Yves___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Corrections des erreurs pharmacies remontées par Osmose : un regroupement est-il possible ?
Bonjour, La correction des pharmacies est laborieuse — du moins si je veux faire disparaitre toutes les erreurs ;-) Voici les manifs à faire, sachant que l’importante est la 8211 (l’ordre est variable et pas important) : 8210 : Pharmacie non intégrée - corrigé 2100 : En France toutes les pharmacies délivrent des médicaments sur prescription - faux positif 7150 : Pharmacie sans ref:FR:FINESS - corrigé 8211 : Pharmacie, suggestion d’intégration - fix-josm (je choisi la 1ère option si le nom existe déjà et est bien saisi, sinon la seconde puis je corrige les majuscules, accents…) L’erreur 2100 me semble fausse à 99% dans ce que j’ai pu corrigé jusqu’à présent — mais je recherche les pharmacies qui ne contiennent pas le mot « parapharmacie » ;-) Serait-il envisageable de regrouper les erreurs 2100, 7150 et 8211 ? Et si possible la 8210 ? Mais c’est plus difficile car souvent/parfois ? le marqueurs se trouvent loin de l’objet pharmacie déjà dans OSM. Peut-être que pour la 8210 on pourrait utiliser les adresses de BANO ? Merci pour vos remarques, — Yves PS: un regroupement d’erreurs est peut-être possible pour d’autres objets ? ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] A partir de quand un lieu-dit existe ?
Le 31/10/2014 09:10, Yves Pratter a écrit : Le 30 oct. 2014 à 17:56, Yves yve...@gmail.com mailto:yve...@gmail.com a écrit : Moi je n'aurait pas supprimé tout de suite parce que: - Il y a tant d'autres chose à faire dans OSM - OSM peux contribuer à établir l'usage qui en fera un lieu dit. Le terme GAZAD est repris par la presse… https://www.google.fr/search?hl=frgl=frtbm=nwsauthuser=0q=gazadoq=gazad Il y a même un « carte » dans ces illustrations : http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2014/10/27/sivens-visite-bd-a-gazad-camp-opposants-barrage-255728 — Yves Bonjour, Il me semble tout d'abord que, selon l'étiquette d'OSM, il aurait été préférable de commencer par demander les raisons qui avaient amené le premier contributeur à cartographier ces éléments, s'il y avait un doute, au lieu de commencer par les supprimer. Je trouve aussi qu'il est peut respectueux de traiter de n'importe quel quidam un contributeur expérimenté (avec, par exemple, 50 % d'ensembles de modifications de plus de Pieren), dont j'ai pour ma part pu apprécier d'autres contributions sur différentes parties du monde. Il me semble ensuite que les hypothèses qui ont amené à cette suppression (un simple point de rendez-vous au milieu d'un pré) ont été démenties depuis par les éléments d'information apportés par plusieurs des participants à cette discussion (et d'autres qui ne sont pas très difficiles à trouver). Il semble en effet bien y avoir des éléments plus ou moins durables sur le terrain. Sur la notion de plus ou moins temporaire ou durable, je voudrais pouvoir considérer par exemple que l'hôpital de campagne contre Ebola que je viens de cartographier à Monrovia a bien sa place dans OSM, même s'il est fait de matériaux (tentes et bois) similaires à ceux de Sivens, et si j'aimerais pouvoir espérer qu'il n'aura pas besoin d'être en place trop longtemps. Sur la notion de type de tag approprié, il me semble bien que les liens sur Gazad donnés par Yves ci-dessus montre qu'il est bien utilisé comme un nom de lieu, même si d'autres tags pourraient peut-être aussi être appropriés. (D'ailleurs la stricte équivalence entre la balise locality et la notion traditionnelle de lieu-dit en français pourrait relever de subtilités sémantiques qui ne sont pas forcément essentielles pour pouvoir alimenter OSM). Et le fait qu'il soit utilisé par beaucoup de monde me paraît être un argument de plus pour le garder dans OSM. Donc j'espère que Pieren voudra bien prendre en compte les éléments qui ont été apportés à la discussion qu'il a lancé pour revenir lui-même sur ses suppressions. Cordialement, Jean-Guilhem ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plugin Osmose pour Josm
Le dimanche 02 novembre 2014 à 11:32 +0100, Yves Pratter a écrit : Bonjour, J’ai passé du temps à corriger les erreurs sur les pharmacies avec Josm et Osmose sur une page web. À force de crier, mes phalanges m’ont suggérées l’idée d’une plugin :-) Une petite consultation du web, et miracle il existe depuis plus de 3 ans :-) [OSM-dev-fr] Plugin Osmose pour Josm Je l’aurais bien essayé mais le lien n’est plus valable et il n’est pas disponible dans la liste des greffons de Josm. Pouvez-vous m’éclairer ? regarde plutot ici http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quality_Assurance_Tools_script Merci d’avance, — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] A partir de quand un lieu-dit existe ?
Donc j'espère que Pieren voudra bien prendre en compte les éléments qui ont été apportés à la discussion qu'il a lancé pour revenir lui-même sur ses suppressions. Quoi, Pieren a supprimé la ville de Gazad http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2877219996 au Cameroun ;-D Plus sérieusement, je pensais moi aussi supprimer gazad le classant dans les « graffiti ». Mais avec les arguments des uns et des autres… je me dis que ce n’est pas à nous d’en juger. C’est un travail d’historiens, de sociologues… le temps nous dira ce qu’il convient de faire. — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plugin Osmose pour Josm
regarde plutot ici http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quality_Assurance_Tools_script Merci, je regarde demain :-) Et aussi pourquoi il n’apparait pas dans la liste des greffons ;-) — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plugin Osmose pour Josm
Le dimanche 02 novembre 2014 à 13:01 +0100, Yves Pratter a écrit : regarde plutot ici http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quality_Assurance_Tools_script Merci, je regarde demain :-) Et aussi pourquoi il n’apparait pas dans la liste des greffons ;-) ce n'est pas un greffon : qat_script utilise l'api d'osmose http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Osmose/api/0.2 — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plugin Osmose pour Josm
ce n'est pas un greffon c’est presque ça :-) C’est parce que c’est un script… utilisé par le greffon Scripting ;-) qui utilise l'api d’osmose http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Osmose/api/0.2 Pour info, une API peut-être utilisée par un script, un greffon, une application… ;-) J’y suis presque ; Il manque une étape dans le tuto : Il faut installer Jython : Python plugin support is disabled The scripting plugin can load and run plugins written in Python. In order to use this feature the Jython interpreter has to be on the class path when you start JOSM. Currently, it isn't and Python plugin support is therefore disabled. Quelqu’un sait faire ça (sur un Mac) ? Merci, — Yves PS: j’ai téléchargé la version 2.5.4rc1 http://www.jython.org/downloads.html puis fait une installation de base https://wiki.python.org/jython/InstallationInstructions ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plugin Osmose pour Josm
Le dimanche 02 novembre 2014 à 14:36 +0100, Yves Pratter a écrit : ce n'est pas un greffon c’est presque ça :-) C’est parce que c’est un script… utilisé par le greffon Scripting ;-) qui utilise l'api d’osmose http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Osmose/api/0.2 Pour info, une API peut-être utilisée par un script, un greffon, une application… ;-) J’y suis presque ; Il manque une étape dans le tuto : Il faut installer Jython : Python plugin support is disabled The scripting plugin can load and run plugins written in Python. In order to use this feature the Jython interpreter has to be on the class path when you start JOSM. Currently, it isn't and Python plugin support is therefore disabled. Quelqu’un sait faire ça (sur un Mac) ? je sais pas s'il y a une spécificité pour mac mais under linux : installer le plugin scripting depuis préférence scripting (icone engrenage jaune), il y a un bouton get jython Merci, — Yves PS: j’ai téléchargé la version 2.5.4rc1 puis fait une installation de base ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Utilisateur abusif?
Bonjour, Je me suis abonné récemment au RSS des erreurs remontées par KeepRight en Bretagne il y a quelques jours et hier, j'ai eu l'occasion de corriger une bonne 50aine d'erreurs venant du même utilisateur: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jo2929 Au début, je n'ai pas trop fait attention, et je me suis juste dit qu'une fois fini, j'allais lui envoyer un message pour lui dire de faire attention à ses erreurs (principalement des routes non reliées au routes juste à coté). Quand j'ai voulu lui envoyer un message, je suis allé sur son profil m'attendant à tomber sur un débutant un peu trop enthousiaste, mais la personne a un an d'ancienneté ou presque et plus de 3000 modifications à son actif... J'ai donc fouillé un peu plus, il s'avère que cet utilisateur ajoute principalement de chemins de randonnée un peu partout en bretagne, depuis ID et en soumettant un changeset quasi à chaque modification de route (atteignant parfois plusieurs 10aines de changeset par jour). En regardant de plus près sur Osmose, je me suis rendu compte que cet utilisateurs a plusieurs centaines d'erreurs a son actif: http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/byuser/?username=jo2929 . Je pense même qu'Osmose s'arrête a 500 mais qu'il en a bien plus. Les erreurs sont principalement des intersections entre des routes et des bâtiments. J'ai pu voir deux ou trois exemples ou les routes traversent les bâtiments de part en part. Il semble ne pas connaitre un certain nombre de règles de base, par exemple, il a ajouté le tag name=cul de sac a au moins 3 chemins de randonnée de ce que j'ai pu voir. Mon message d'hier est jusqu'a maintenant sans réponse, bien qu'il ait fait des modifs aujourd'hui. Je pense que cet utilisateurs ajoute des informations pertinentes, mais de façon très incorrecte, générant au passage un nombre d'erreurs monumental... Je ne sais pas trop quoi faire dans ce genre de cas, je ne suis inscrit que depuis un mois sur OSM, je voulais juste prévenir au cas ou il y aurait quelquechose à faire... Merci. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utilisateur abusif?
Au moment même ou j'ai envoyé mon message, j'ai reçu sa réponse: Pas de souci, j'essaierai de faire un peu plus attention la prochaine fois. A voir l'évolution des choses, j'essayerais de faire attention si les prochaines erreurs viennent de lui ou non. En attendant, ca fait pas mal d'erreurs à corriger! From: ronan_mo...@hotmail.com To: talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Subject: Utilisateur abusif? Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:11:41 +0100 Bonjour, Je me suis abonné récemment au RSS des erreurs remontées par KeepRight en Bretagne il y a quelques jours et hier, j'ai eu l'occasion de corriger une bonne 50aine d'erreurs venant du même utilisateur: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jo2929 Au début, je n'ai pas trop fait attention, et je me suis juste dit qu'une fois fini, j'allais lui envoyer un message pour lui dire de faire attention à ses erreurs (principalement des routes non reliées au routes juste à coté). Quand j'ai voulu lui envoyer un message, je suis allé sur son profil m'attendant à tomber sur un débutant un peu trop enthousiaste, mais la personne a un an d'ancienneté ou presque et plus de 3000 modifications à son actif... J'ai donc fouillé un peu plus, il s'avère que cet utilisateur ajoute principalement de chemins de randonnée un peu partout en bretagne, depuis ID et en soumettant un changeset quasi à chaque modification de route (atteignant parfois plusieurs 10aines de changeset par jour). En regardant de plus près sur Osmose, je me suis rendu compte que cet utilisateurs a plusieurs centaines d'erreurs a son actif: http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/byuser/?username=jo2929 . Je pense même qu'Osmose s'arrête a 500 mais qu'il en a bien plus. Les erreurs sont principalement des intersections entre des routes et des bâtiments. J'ai pu voir deux ou trois exemples ou les routes traversent les bâtiments de part en part. Il semble ne pas connaitre un certain nombre de règles de base, par exemple, il a ajouté le tag name=cul de sac a au moins 3 chemins de randonnée de ce que j'ai pu voir. Mon message d'hier est jusqu'a maintenant sans réponse, bien qu'il ait fait des modifs aujourd'hui. Je pense que cet utilisateurs ajoute des informations pertinentes, mais de façon très incorrecte, générant au passage un nombre d'erreurs monumental... Je ne sais pas trop quoi faire dans ce genre de cas, je ne suis inscrit que depuis un mois sur OSM, je voulais juste prévenir au cas ou il y aurait quelquechose à faire... Merci. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] site web openstreetmap.fr et sa page comment contribuer
Je trouve que les captures d'écran ne sont pas très lisibles, et très encombrantes. L'autre solution, ce sont des mini vidéos. Voici ce que ça donne : http://screencast-o-matic.com/channels/c2XnoXiwB Stf ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Decathlon utilise OSM
Bonjour, Je n'ai pas souvenir d'avoir vu passer cette info* : sur ses sites, Decathlon utilise OSM pour situer ses magasins. Constaté en France : http://www.decathlon.fr/fr/store?store_id=PS_54 mais aussi en Italie, Espagne et Allemagne (au moins). L'attribution est bien là, en revanche je suis étonné de voir qu'ils utilisent directement les tuiles d'osm.org. vincent * désolé si ça doublonne ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Decathlon utilise OSM
Ils ont partiellement complété le transfert vers OSM Le bouton S'y rendre affiche une carte Google où pourtant il n'y a pas les détails que l'on retrouvre sur la carte OSM. Pierre De : Vincent de Château-Thierry osm.v...@free.fr À : Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Dimanche 2 novembre 2014 12h15 Objet : [OSM-talk-fr] Decathlon utilise OSM Bonjour, Je n'ai pas souvenir d'avoir vu passer cette info* : sur ses sites, Decathlon utilise OSM pour situer ses magasins. Constaté en France : http://www.decathlon.fr/fr/store?store_id=PS_54 mais aussi en Italie, Espagne et Allemagne (au moins). L'attribution est bien là, en revanche je suis étonné de voir qu'ils utilisent directement les tuiles d'osm.org. vincent * désolé si ça doublonne ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plugin Osmose pour Josm
je sais pas s'il y a une spécificité pour mac mais under linux : installer le plugin scripting depuis préférence scripting (icone engrenage jaune), il y a un bouton get jython J’avais fait ça. Mais avec ton message je suis allé voir de plus près : Le fichier récupéré par le greffon fait 161 octets contre 8,3 Mo pour celui téléchargé sur le site de Jython. Curieusement il y avait un panneau sens interdit à sa gauche (je pensais que ça servait à l’enlever). En regardant dedans, voici son contenu : html headtitle302 Found/title/head body bgcolor=white centerh1302 Found/h1/center hrcenternginx/0.8.55/center /body /html J’en déduis que le lien utilisé par le greffon n’est pas à jour (ou que le serveur était planté) et on a un beau message d’erreur 302 HTML au lieu du paquet Java !! En recopiant le bon python.jar, le sens interdit est remplacé par une coche verte : ça progresse :-) Il me reste à modifier le fichier /etc/bashrc ou /etc/profile en mettant la variable d’environnement CLASSPATH avec le bon chemin. A suivre… — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] site web openstreetmap.fr et sa page comment contribuer
Finalement, qu'est-ce qu'il y a comme application équivalent à OsmTracker pour iOs ? J'ai beau chercher, je ne trouve pas vraiment d'équivalent. Ou alors, plus simplement, une appli qui permet d'enregistrer des traces Gps et de les envoyer sur osm.org. Stf ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] site web openstreetmap.fr et sa page comment contribuer
Le 2 nov. 2014 à 19:19, Stéphane Péneau stephane.pen...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Finalement, qu'est-ce qu'il y a comme application équivalent à OsmTracker pour iOs ? J'ai beau chercher, je ne trouve pas vraiment d'équivalent. Ou alors, plus simplement, une appli qui permet d'enregistrer des traces Gps et de les envoyer sur osm.org. Pour enregistrer mes traces sur mon IPhone, je suis très satisfait de Motion X - GPS qui est un vrai couteau suisse et ce qui est appelé la carte terrain est tout simplement le fond OSM, sur lequel on peut suivre sa trace en direct. Dans un train, c'est un peu approximatif, mais, ça marche aussi. Les traces peuvent être envoyée par mail, ce qui est pratique. Christian R. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Plugin Osmose pour Josm
Le dimanche 02 novembre 2014 à 18:48 +0100, Yves Pratter a écrit : je sais pas s'il y a une spécificité pour mac mais under linux : installer le plugin scripting depuis préférence scripting (icone engrenage jaune), il y a un bouton get jython J’avais fait ça. Mais avec ton message je suis allé voir de plus près : Le fichier récupéré par le greffon fait 161 octets contre 8,3 Mo pour celui téléchargé sur le site de Jython. Curieusement il y avait un panneau sens interdit à sa gauche (je pensais que ça servait à l’enlever). En regardant dedans, voici son contenu : html headtitle302 Found/title/head body bgcolor=white centerh1302 Found/h1/center hrcenternginx/0.8.55/center /body /html J’en déduis que le lien utilisé par le greffon n’est pas à jour (ou que le serveur était planté) et on a un beau message d’erreur 302 HTML au lieu du paquet Java !! En recopiant le bon python.jar, le sens interdit est remplacé par une coche verte : ça progresse :-) Il me reste à modifier le fichier /etc/bashrc ou /etc/profile en mettant la variable d’environnement CLASSPATH avec le bon chemin. A suivre… si tu as le bon fichier jyton.jar, il y a le bouton +ajouter = clic sur la ligne ajoutée puis selection de ton fichier — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Decathlon utilise OSM
Et visiblement leur géocodage a des problèmes, ils situent des magasins même pas à l'adresse indiquée; exemple le Décathlon de Niort situé sur leur carte juste en bordure de Chauray alors qu'il est sur la route de Limoges dans la nouvelle ZAC des sports en bordure de rocade (le lieu correct est pourtant bien marqué dans OSM) Ils ont sans doute utilisé un vieux géocodage de leur ancien magasin mais en changeant d'adresse le géocodage est resté mais il était déjà approximatif car le lieu indiqué par eux dans la bulle et va le lien Google Maps n'est pas le bon non plus)... D'ailleurs une recherche par nom via Google Maps situe pourtant leur adresse correcte actuelle. Bref il n'y a que Décathlon qui se trompe dans ses propres adresses ! Le 2 novembre 2014 18:39, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr a écrit : Ils ont partiellement complété le transfert vers OSM Le bouton S'y rendre affiche une carte Google où pourtant il n'y a pas les détails que l'on retrouvre sur la carte OSM. Pierre -- *De :* Vincent de Château-Thierry osm.v...@free.fr *À :* Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Dimanche 2 novembre 2014 12h15 *Objet :* [OSM-talk-fr] Decathlon utilise OSM Bonjour, Je n'ai pas souvenir d'avoir vu passer cette info* : sur ses sites, Decathlon utilise OSM pour situer ses magasins. Constaté en France : http://www.decathlon.fr/fr/store?store_id=PS_54 mais aussi en Italie, Espagne et Allemagne (au moins). L'attribution est bien là, en revanche je suis étonné de voir qu'ils utilisent directement les tuiles d'osm.org. vincent * désolé si ça doublonne ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr