Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca is up!

[Stewart Russell]

Being returned to the last edited thing is the best! If I saw all of Canada
every time I went to the website I'd be pulling lots of tiles and queries
to get where I want to go.

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[AJ Ashton]

On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Richard Weait  wrote:

> What zoom and center point?  How does that work on different devices /
> resolution / orientation?
>

The map view can be based on a bounding box, so a strategically-selected
bounding box should handle all of these variables well. We should probably
exclude the northern reaches of the territories from the bbox otherwise it
will look like OpenArcticMap thanks to mercator.


> How will this be implemented?  What effect will this have on a returning
> visitor?  What else?
>

I find that being returned to the last thing I viewed is annoying/incorrect
more often than not, so maybe have it centred on Canada every visit? I'm
not sure about this though.

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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca is up!

[Richard Weait]

Flesh it out.  Try to fill in all four points, rather than just the idea.

What zoom and center point?  How does that work on different devices /
resolution / orientation?

How will this be implemented?  What effect will this have on a returning
visitor?  What else?
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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca is up!

[Bruno Remy]

The same for me.
Thanks

Best regards

Bruno Remy
Le 2013-04-22 07:10, "Duncan Hill"  a écrit :

> I'll second Harald's suggestion to have the map show Canada on load.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Harald Kliems  wrote:
>
>> First, thanks to Darryl and Richard for taking care of this!
>>
>> I have one quick, easy (I assume), and probably non-controversial
>> suggestion: when I clicked on the link, I got a map of Europe, not
>> Canada. I know that this is only relevant for the first visit but
>> maybe it can be fixed anyway.
>>
>> Best,
>>  Harald.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > Darryl delivered on his promise, and openstreetmap.ca registration has
>> been
>> > transferred to OSMF / me.  Thank you, again, Darryl for taking care of
>> the
>> > domain for the past years, and for offering it to the community, rather
>> than
>> > letting it lapse.
>> >
>> > For now, if you visit openstreetmap.ca, it will look very familiar.
>>  Very
>> > much like osm.org, in fact.  :-)   I'm happy with that. It's
>> unsurprising,
>> > and easy to maintain.  And in the recent; past we haven't done anything
>> else
>> > with it, so I think that that this is an improvement.
>> >
>> > But what else would we like to do?  To move forward on any big changes
>> to
>> > openstreetmap.ca, I would hope to see a number of things in equal
>> measure:
>> >
>> > - interesting idea(s)
>> > - broad consensus
>> > - active participation
>> > - resources
>> >
>> > I don't foresee any deadline for new ideas or implementation, so this
>> can
>> > really be a matter for careful consideration over time.  We've done
>> pretty
>> > well so far, without any grand unification web site.
>> >
>> > And thanks again, Darryl.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Richard
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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca is up!

[Duncan Hill]

I'll second Harald's suggestion to have the map show Canada on load.


On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Harald Kliems  wrote:

> First, thanks to Darryl and Richard for taking care of this!
>
> I have one quick, easy (I assume), and probably non-controversial
> suggestion: when I clicked on the link, I got a map of Europe, not
> Canada. I know that this is only relevant for the first visit but
> maybe it can be fixed anyway.
>
> Best,
>  Harald.
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Darryl delivered on his promise, and openstreetmap.ca registration has
> been
> > transferred to OSMF / me.  Thank you, again, Darryl for taking care of
> the
> > domain for the past years, and for offering it to the community, rather
> than
> > letting it lapse.
> >
> > For now, if you visit openstreetmap.ca, it will look very familiar.
>  Very
> > much like osm.org, in fact.  :-)   I'm happy with that. It's
> unsurprising,
> > and easy to maintain.  And in the recent; past we haven't done anything
> else
> > with it, so I think that that this is an improvement.
> >
> > But what else would we like to do?  To move forward on any big changes to
> > openstreetmap.ca, I would hope to see a number of things in equal
> measure:
> >
> > - interesting idea(s)
> > - broad consensus
> > - active participation
> > - resources
> >
> > I don't foresee any deadline for new ideas or implementation, so this can
> > really be a matter for careful consideration over time.  We've done
> pretty
> > well so far, without any grand unification web site.
> >
> > And thanks again, Darryl.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Richard
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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca is up!

[Harald Kliems]

First, thanks to Darryl and Richard for taking care of this!

I have one quick, easy (I assume), and probably non-controversial
suggestion: when I clicked on the link, I got a map of Europe, not
Canada. I know that this is only relevant for the first visit but
maybe it can be fixed anyway.

Best,
 Harald.

On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Darryl delivered on his promise, and openstreetmap.ca registration has been
> transferred to OSMF / me.  Thank you, again, Darryl for taking care of the
> domain for the past years, and for offering it to the community, rather than
> letting it lapse.
>
> For now, if you visit openstreetmap.ca, it will look very familiar.  Very
> much like osm.org, in fact.  :-)   I'm happy with that. It's unsurprising,
> and easy to maintain.  And in the recent; past we haven't done anything else
> with it, so I think that that this is an improvement.
>
> But what else would we like to do?  To move forward on any big changes to
> openstreetmap.ca, I would hope to see a number of things in equal measure:
>
> - interesting idea(s)
> - broad consensus
> - active participation
> - resources
>
> I don't foresee any deadline for new ideas or implementation, so this can
> really be a matter for careful consideration over time.  We've done pretty
> well so far, without any grand unification web site.
>
> And thanks again, Darryl.
>
> Best regards,
> Richard
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[Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca is up!

[Richard Weait]

Dear all,

Darryl delivered on his promise, and openstreetmap.ca registration has been
transferred to OSMF / me.  Thank you, again, Darryl for taking care of the
domain for the past years, and for offering it to the community, rather
than letting it lapse.

For now, if you visit openstreetmap.ca, it will look very familiar.  Very
much like osm.org, in fact.  :-)   I'm happy with that. It's unsurprising,
and easy to maintain.  And in the recent; past we haven't done anything
else with it, so I think that that this is an improvement.

But what else would we like to do?  To move forward on any big changes to
openstreetmap.ca, I would hope to see a number of things in equal measure:

- interesting idea(s)
- broad consensus
- active participation
- resources

I don't foresee any deadline for new ideas or implementation, so this can
really be a matter for careful consideration over time.  We've done pretty
well so far, without any grand unification web site.

And thanks again, Darryl.

Best regards,
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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca

[Duncan Hill]

I think the most practical and easiest thing to do would be to have a
trusted community member control it. I'm sure that we can come up with some
measures to ensure that we can contact the domain owner when necessary.


On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> I wonder what a divorce layer would say about this!  If there were
> disagreements at some point, how could we assure that we control our domain?
>
> To this regard, I would prefer a solution where osm-ca domain is not
> controlled of OSMF.
>
> Pierre
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> > Good morning everyone,
> >
> > For the last several years I've owned the domain openstreetmap.ca.
> > [..]
>
> > So: I am just about to renew this domain for another year. I would
> > like to pass control of the domain over to the Canadian mapping
> > community, to someone who will do something -- anything! -- with it
> > that will be beneficial to Canadian users and/or mappers.
>
> Hello Darryl,
>
> Thanks for bringing up this resource on the list.
>
> If no one else has a better proposal, I'd like to offer the assistance
> of FACIL (http://facil.qc.ca) in managing this. I welcome any other
> members of this list to join me in this offer.
>
> FACIL is a non-profit based in Quebec province, doing advocacy for
> free open source software - these days we primarily focus on the
> government here in Quebec.
>
> I am sitting on the board as VP and we have a few competent admin
> resources, we have been reorganizing some of the hosting and content
> managament resources succesfully. We recently launched an internal
> ticket system and have access to free hosting via Koumbit.org.
>
> I also have access to other resources as a member of the Free Software
> Foundation but I believe the OSM project wiki combined with FACIL's
> guidance should be enough for anyone other contributors here to step
> in and add the missing glue.
>
> If nothing else, having FACIL own the domain and pay for it, and
> parking it until a formal project takes place would be logical for now.
>
> Going a bit further, I would at least redirect it to the OSM Canada
> wiki page [1], but that is up to you.
>
> Pending other discussions on this list, I am leaving that offer on the
> table. I have no urgency in adding another project to the many things
> I am involved in, but I can offer those resources now. I suppose some
> consensus will happen here.
>
> Cheers to all,
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca

[Pierre Béland]

I wonder what a divorce layer would say about this!  If there were 
disagreements at some point, how could we assure that we control our domain?


To this regard, I would prefer a solution where osm-ca domain is not controlled 
of OSMF. 
 
Pierre 



>
> De : Fabian Rodriguez 
>À : Darryl Shpak  
>Cc : Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org 
>Envoyé le : Lundi 25 mars 2013 16h45
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>On 2013-03-25 10:33, Darryl Shpak wrote:
>> Good morning everyone,
>> 
>> For the last several years I've owned the domain openstreetmap.ca.
>> [..]
>
>> So: I am just about to renew this domain for another year. I would
>> like to pass control of the domain over to the Canadian mapping
>> community, to someone who will do something -- anything! -- with it
>> that will be beneficial to Canadian users and/or mappers.
>
>Hello Darryl,
>
>Thanks for bringing up this resource on the list.
>
>If no one else has a better proposal, I'd like to offer the assistance
>of FACIL (http://facil.qc.ca) in managing this. I welcome any other
>members of this list to join me in this offer.
>
>FACIL is a non-profit based in Quebec province, doing advocacy for
>free open source software - these days we primarily focus on the
>government here in Quebec.
>
>I am sitting on the board as VP and we have a few competent admin
>resources, we have been reorganizing some of the hosting and content
>managament resources succesfully. We recently launched an internal
>ticket system and have access to free hosting via Koumbit.org.
>
>I also have access to other resources as a member of the Free Software
>Foundation but I believe the OSM project wiki combined with FACIL's
>guidance should be enough for anyone other contributors here to step
>in and add the missing glue.
>
>If nothing else, having FACIL own the domain and pay for it, and
>parking it until a formal project takes place would be logical for now.
>
>Going a bit further, I would at least redirect it to the OSM Canada
>wiki page [1], but that is up to you.
>
>Pending other discussions on this list, I am leaving that offer on the
>table. I have no urgency in adding another project to the many things
>I am involved in, but I can offer those resources now. I suppose some
>consensus will happen here.
>
>Cheers to all,
>
>Fabian
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca

[AJ Ashton]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Gordon Dewis  wrote:
> CIRA's residency requirements are defined in
> www.cira.ca/assets/Documents/Legal/Registrants/CPR.pdf

Perhaps the OSMF could ask a favour of Her Majesty under section 2(m)

;-)

Alternatively, do (q) or (r) apply?

q) Trade-mark registered in Canada. A Person which does not meet any of the
> foregoing conditions, but which is the owner of a trade-mark which is the
> subject
> of a registration under the Trade-marks Act (Canada) R.S.C. 1985, c.T-13
> as
> amended from time to time, but in this case such permission is limited to
> an
> application to register a .ca domain name consisting of or including the
> exact
> word component of thatregistered trade-mark; or

(r) Official marks. A Person which does not meet any of the foregoing
> conditions,
> but which is a Person intended to be protected by Subsection 9(1) of the
> Trade-
> Marks Act (Canada) at whose request the Registrar of Trade-marks has
> published
> notice of adoption of any badge, crest, emblem, official mark or other mark
> pursuant to Subsection 9(1), but in this case such permission is limited
> to an
> application to register a .ca domain name consisting of or including the
> exact
> word component of such badge, crest, emblem, official mark or other mark in
> respect of which such Person requested publications.


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CIRA's residency requirements are defined in 









www.cira.ca/assets/Documents/Legal/Registrants/CPR.pdf 
Cheers!









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On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Darryl Shpak  wrote:

> Of all the suggestions offered, OSMF seems like the most natural fit to 
> me. That seems like it would very much keep the domain in the hands of 
> the community, instead of an individual, which would guard against the 
> individual becoming disinterested or unavailable. The biggest roadblock 
> would be if that violated any of CIRA's rules (I'll poke around and see 
> what I can learn).
> And I would LOVE to see a group of community members actually DO 
> something with the domain :-)
> Thanks to everyone who has offered suggestions and assistance! If there 
> are no compelling objections, I will start the transfer of the domain to 
> OSMF in a few days.
> - Darryl
> On 3/27/2013 7:42 AM, Richard Weait wrote:
>> I understand the interest in OSMF holding the openstreetmap.ca 
>>  domain.   To balance that, there is a 
>> requirement that .ca domains be held by some body with a legitimate 
>> interest or residence in Canada.  (Or something like that).  If OSMF 
>> (being a UK not for profit) does not meet that requirement, we're left 
>> with holding on to it for ourselves in some way.
>>
>> I'm all for whatever we decide.  Especially if we can lighten the load 
>> for Daryl, and allow more contribution from the community.
>>
>> Thank you Daryl, for thinking to get the domain when it was available, 
>> and for holding it safely for so long.  I know that you and I talked 
>> about doing something with it a while back, and neither of us did.  I 
>> don't think you've done anything "anti-community" with respect to the 
>> domain.  And I think that starting this conversation amply 
>> demonstrates that you are one of the good guys.
>>
>> So, thanks again!
>>
>> Among the options, for the domain I suppose, are:
>> - investigate getting OSMF to hold it
>> - continue to have a trusted community member hold the domain
>> - allow a trusted company to hold it
>> - form a company to hold it on our behalf
>> - something else(?)
>>
>> I'll ask about OSMF holding it.  And I'd be willing to hold it on 
>> behalf of OSMF and or "the Canadian community"
>>
>> And I'd like to see, as a separate step, a group of us put our heads 
>> and volunteer hours together to actually do something with it.  :-)
>>
>> Best regards,
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[Darryl Shpak]

Of all the suggestions offered, OSMF seems like the most natural fit to 
me. That seems like it would very much keep the domain in the hands of 
the community, instead of an individual, which would guard against the 
individual becoming disinterested or unavailable. The biggest roadblock 
would be if that violated any of CIRA's rules (I'll poke around and see 
what I can learn).


And I would LOVE to see a group of community members actually DO 
something with the domain :-)


Thanks to everyone who has offered suggestions and assistance! If there 
are no compelling objections, I will start the transfer of the domain to 
OSMF in a few days.


- Darryl

On 3/27/2013 7:42 AM, Richard Weait wrote:
I understand the interest in OSMF holding the openstreetmap.ca 
 domain.   To balance that, there is a 
requirement that .ca domains be held by some body with a legitimate 
interest or residence in Canada.  (Or something like that).  If OSMF 
(being a UK not for profit) does not meet that requirement, we're left 
with holding on to it for ourselves in some way.


I'm all for whatever we decide.  Especially if we can lighten the load 
for Daryl, and allow more contribution from the community.


Thank you Daryl, for thinking to get the domain when it was available, 
and for holding it safely for so long.  I know that you and I talked 
about doing something with it a while back, and neither of us did.  I 
don't think you've done anything "anti-community" with respect to the 
domain.  And I think that starting this conversation amply 
demonstrates that you are one of the good guys.


So, thanks again!

Among the options, for the domain I suppose, are:
- investigate getting OSMF to hold it
- continue to have a trusted community member hold the domain
- allow a trusted company to hold it
- form a company to hold it on our behalf
- something else(?)

I'll ask about OSMF holding it.  And I'd be willing to hold it on 
behalf of OSMF and or "the Canadian community"


And I'd like to see, as a separate step, a group of us put our heads 
and volunteer hours together to actually do something with it.  :-)


Best regards,
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[Richard Weait]

I understand the interest in OSMF holding the openstreetmap.ca domain.   To
balance that, there is a requirement that .ca domains be held by some body
with a legitimate interest or residence in Canada.  (Or something like
that).  If OSMF (being a UK not for profit) does not meet that requirement,
we're left with holding on to it for ourselves in some way.

I'm all for whatever we decide.  Especially if we can lighten the load for
Daryl, and allow more contribution from the community.

Thank you Daryl, for thinking to get the domain when it was available, and
for holding it safely for so long.  I know that you and I talked about
doing something with it a while back, and neither of us did.  I don't think
you've done anything "anti-community" with respect to the domain.  And I
think that starting this conversation amply demonstrates that you are one
of the good guys.

So, thanks again!

Among the options, for the domain I suppose, are:
- investigate getting OSMF to hold it
- continue to have a trusted community member hold the domain
- allow a trusted company to hold it
- form a company to hold it on our behalf
- something else(?)

I'll ask about OSMF holding it.  And I'd be willing to hold it on behalf of
OSMF and or "the Canadian community"

And I'd like to see, as a separate step, a group of us put our heads and
volunteer hours together to actually do something with it.  :-)

Best regards,
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[Stewart C. Russell]

On 27-03-13 07:51 , Steve Singer wrote:
> Another proposal is to let OSMF register the domain and have them
> point it at a server with whatever we want to do with it.  If OSMF
> owns the domain they could still point it at a community controlled
> server.
Yes, I'd very much support this. The link between OSM and OSMF is strong.

cheers,
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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca

[Steve Singer]

On Mon, 25 Mar 2013, Fabian Rodriguez wrote:


If no one else has a better proposal, I'd like to offer the assistance
of FACIL (http://facil.qc.ca) in managing this. I welcome any other
members of this list to join me in this offer.



Another proposal is to let OSMF register the domain and have them point it 
at a server with whatever we want to do with it.  If OSMF owns the domain 
they could still point it at a community controlled server.


The nice thing about having OSMF host the domain over some other project 
like FACIL is that OSMF is focussed on openstreetmap and we don't have to 
worry about them losing interest in the project (or if they do the community 
has a much bigger re-hosting problem).


* I don't know what policies OSMF has (if any) for domains in cctlds. I am 
hope they would be willing to take over the domain if local community 
asks.


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> Good morning everyone,
> 
> For the last several years I've owned the domain openstreetmap.ca.
> [..]

> So: I am just about to renew this domain for another year. I would
> like to pass control of the domain over to the Canadian mapping
> community, to someone who will do something -- anything! -- with it
> that will be beneficial to Canadian users and/or mappers.

Hello Darryl,

Thanks for bringing up this resource on the list.

If no one else has a better proposal, I'd like to offer the assistance
of FACIL (http://facil.qc.ca) in managing this. I welcome any other
members of this list to join me in this offer.

FACIL is a non-profit based in Quebec province, doing advocacy for
free open source software - these days we primarily focus on the
government here in Quebec.

I am sitting on the board as VP and we have a few competent admin
resources, we have been reorganizing some of the hosting and content
managament resources succesfully. We recently launched an internal
ticket system and have access to free hosting via Koumbit.org.

I also have access to other resources as a member of the Free Software
Foundation but I believe the OSM project wiki combined with FACIL's
guidance should be enough for anyone other contributors here to step
in and add the missing glue.

If nothing else, having FACIL own the domain and pay for it, and
parking it until a formal project takes place would be logical for now.

Going a bit further, I would at least redirect it to the OSM Canada
wiki page [1], but that is up to you.

Pending other discussions on this list, I am leaving that offer on the
table. I have no urgency in adding another project to the many things
I am involved in, but I can offer those resources now. I suppose some
consensus will happen here.

Cheers to all,

Fabian

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[Richard Weait]

I'd love to be involved as well.
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[Paul Norman]

> From: Darryl Shpak [mailto:dar...@shpak.ca]
> Subject: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca
> 
> Good morning everyone,
> 
> So: I am just about to renew this domain for another year. I would like
> to pass control of the domain over to the Canadian mapping community, to
> someone who will do something -- anything! -- with it that will be
> beneficial to Canadian users and/or mappers.

I'm running some imagery that I'd of liked to put on openstreetmap.ca. Of
course the URLs are all out there now under my personal domain name.

I could also host www.openstreetmap.ca, and if we got resources (+someone
with cartographic design skills) I could manage a Canadian tile layer.


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[Darryl Shpak]

Good morning everyone,

For the last several years I've owned the domain openstreetmap.ca. Once 
upon a time it actually went to a useful website, but for at least a few 
years now, the site that the domain points to has been down. I keep 
telling myself that I'm going to do something useful with the domain, 
but obviously that hasn't happened yet, and frankly, it's not going to.


So: I am just about to renew this domain for another year. I would like 
to pass control of the domain over to the Canadian mapping community, to 
someone who will do something -- anything! -- with it that will be 
beneficial to Canadian users and/or mappers.


I believe in the OSM project, and have been very happy to see how the 
project, and the maps in Canada in particular, have grown in the years 
since I first joined up. Unfortunately, I don't have time to participate 
actively. This is really my last foreseeable contribution to the project 
and community.


I don't want to just let the domain lapse, because I'm sure it would be 
picked up and squatted immediately. I'd love to hear from one or more 
interested mappers who have the energy and ability to do something 
interesting with the domain. I know I had this conversation with a few 
talk-ca members a few years ago and it went nowhere, but that was 
primarily my fault for not following through on my end.


Finally, I'd like to apologize to the community for essentially 
squatting on this domain for years when it could have been put to 
valuable use. I bought it on a whim, and never really used it. I should 
have released it to the community years ago. I feel like I've acted 
contrary to the spirit of OSM, and am hoping to correct that by 
transferring this domain to someone who will do something beneficial 
with it.


- Darryl Shpak
Lapsed Mapper :-)

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[Talk-ca] Openstreetmap.ca domain

[tyler]

According to the registrar openstreetmap.ca was renewed.  Of course  
the admin contact info is unlisted.  So I used Cira's (group in charge  
of .ca) service to send an email to the admin of the domain.  Still  
waiting to hear back.

Tyler

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[Nicolas Gignac]

For your info : the *Centre de géomatique du Québec* (www.cgq.qc.ca) has
decided to host the Quebec OpenData-OSM site.
We would discuss the project during the Rendez-vous OSGeo-Qc 2010 in
Saguenay in June 2010 : http://rendez-vous-osgeo-qc.org/2010/english/

Cheers,

Nicolas

2010/4/27 Sam Vekemans 

> Well, I'm no expert on this.
>
> All i know is that before 2 days ago, it was registered to user:Dshpak
> (he's the OSM mapper who did all the nations coastline)  or made the
> conversion program or something?
> It then time lapsed, and it looks like it got picked up my a domain
> collecting thing.
>
> DomainsAtCost Corp.
> http://www.domainsearch.com/cgi-bin/Domain_Search?action=whois&DomainName=openstreetmap.ca&AdCode=infobox2
>
>
> Jason Reed hosts the data, but does't have access to editing the website.
> I reached him on facebook (i don't know what his email address is, he's not
> active in OSM right now)
>
> and Nicolas Gignac is interested in editing the page, so it includes french
> (and update it more probably)
>
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2010-March/002294.html
>
> http://www.domainsatcost.ca/Whois.aspx
>
> So you'll need to contact Jason Reed & call Domainsatcost.ca (it's a 613
> number)   I dont know, would they have access to the history of the domain?
> I'll message him on facebook asking to contact you.
>
> I'm no good at this stuff. Its especially difficult if you register a
> domain with Google... then nothing can be done on the website   (see
> acrosscanadatrails.com)  you dont even get ftp access & it isn't linked to
> other Google services.  .. which is rather annoying.
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:15 AM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2010-04-27, at 2:29 AM, Sam Vekemans 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hey all, a quick reminder that the website domain has expired, and its
>>> past the renew date. I havent been able to get contact with
>>> user:Dshpak (who is the owner)
>>> So if he let it laps, it maybe available.
>>>
>>> Anyone want to purchaise it? Im sure whoever does will be willing to
>>> allow for multiple admins, so this wont happen again. :-)
>>>
>>> Any takers?
>>> Sam
>>>
>>>
>> I just looked at the Whois and it appears to be renewed until next year
>> now.  Hopefully the "right" person renewed it.
>>
>> Tyler
>>
>>
>
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[tyler]

> Well, I'm no expert on this.
>

No worries;  I know enough about domain maintenance to get by as I  
host my own personal one.


> All i know is that before 2 days ago, it was registered to user:Dshpak
> (he's the OSM mapper who did all the nations coastline)  or made the
> conversion program or something?
> It then time lapsed, and it looks like it got picked up my a domain
> collecting thing.
> DomainsAtCost Corp.
> http://www.domainsearch.com/cgi-bin/Domain_Search?action=whois&DomainName=openstreetmap.ca&AdCode=infobox2
>

Yes that is true.  I didn't look at it close enough. It's too bad  
there is no free Whois history service (at least that I can find) as  
it would be nice to know what the scoop was previosuly.


> Jason Reed hosts the data, but does't have access to editing the  
> website.  I
> reached him on facebook (i don't know what his email address is,  
> he's not
> active in OSM right now)
> and Nicolas Gignac is interested in editing the page, so it includes  
> french
> (and update it more probably)
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2010-March/ 
> 002294.html
> http://www.domainsatcost.ca/Whois.a05/10spx
> So you'll need to contact Jason Reed & call Domainsatcost.ca (it's a  
> 613
> number)   I dont know, would they have access to the history of the  
> domain?
> I'll message him on facebook asking to contact you.
>

Ok get him to give me an email.  For now I will get in contact with  
domains at cost to see what is what.

Thanks
Tyler


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[Gregory]

I bought britishstudent.ca at domainsatcost, it seems to be a good and well
priced place for .ca
The fact that the website is still up suggests it isn't a mean domain
grabber (it would have been replaced with bad ads by now).

Does anybody know what the whois was before it was set to expire? I think
there are websites where you can check whois history(like checking whois
live) but you have to register(free) for the history and I don't like to do
that(maybe I should).

I'm surprised the whois is so short, it might be worth contacting
domainsatcost to ask for more details. I don't know what the requirements
are for providing domain owner contact information. I know some companies
offer to mask your info by putting an email address that forwards to the
owner.

Gregory.

On 27 April 2010 04:37, Sam Vekemans  wrote:

> Well, I'm no expert on this.
>
> All i know is that before 2 days ago, it was registered to user:Dshpak
> (he's the OSM mapper who did all the nations coastline)  or made the
> conversion program or something?
> It then time lapsed, and it looks like it got picked up my a domain
> collecting thing.
>
> DomainsAtCost Corp.
> http://www.domainsearch.com/cgi-bin/Domain_Search?action=whois&DomainName=openstreetmap.ca&AdCode=infobox2
>
>
> Jason Reed hosts the data, but does't have access to editing the website.
> I reached him on facebook (i don't know what his email address is, he's not
> active in OSM right now)
>
> and Nicolas Gignac is interested in editing the page, so it includes french
> (and update it more probably)
>
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2010-March/002294.html
>
> http://www.domainsatcost.ca/Whois.aspx
>
> So you'll need to contact Jason Reed & call Domainsatcost.ca (it's a 613
> number)   I dont know, would they have access to the history of the domain?
> I'll message him on facebook asking to contact you.
>
> I'm no good at this stuff. Its especially difficult if you register a
> domain with Google... then nothing can be done on the website   (see
> acrosscanadatrails.com)  you dont even get ftp access & it isn't linked to
> other Google services.  .. which is rather annoying.
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:15 AM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2010-04-27, at 2:29 AM, Sam Vekemans 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hey all, a quick reminder that the website domain has expired, and its
>>> past the renew date. I havent been able to get contact with
>>> user:Dshpak (who is the owner)
>>> So if he let it laps, it maybe available.
>>>
>>> Anyone want to purchaise it? Im sure whoever does will be willing to
>>> allow for multiple admins, so this wont happen again. :-)
>>>
>>> Any takers?
>>> Sam
>>>
>>>
>> I just looked at the Whois and it appears to be renewed until next year
>> now.  Hopefully the "right" person renewed it.
>>
>> Tyler
>>
>>
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[Sam Vekemans]

Well, I'm no expert on this.

All i know is that before 2 days ago, it was registered to user:Dshpak
(he's the OSM mapper who did all the nations coastline)  or made the
conversion program or something?
It then time lapsed, and it looks like it got picked up my a domain
collecting thing.

DomainsAtCost Corp.
http://www.domainsearch.com/cgi-bin/Domain_Search?action=whois&DomainName=openstreetmap.ca&AdCode=infobox2

Jason Reed hosts the data, but does't have access to editing the website.  I
reached him on facebook (i don't know what his email address is, he's not
active in OSM right now)

and Nicolas Gignac is interested in editing the page, so it includes french
(and update it more probably)

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ca/2010-March/002294.html

http://www.domainsatcost.ca/Whois.aspx

So you'll need to contact Jason Reed & call Domainsatcost.ca (it's a 613
number)   I dont know, would they have access to the history of the domain?
I'll message him on facebook asking to contact you.

I'm no good at this stuff. Its especially difficult if you register a domain
with Google... then nothing can be done on the website   (see
acrosscanadatrails.com)  you dont even get ftp access & it isn't linked to
other Google services.  .. which is rather annoying.

Cheers,
Sam

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:15 AM,  wrote:

>
> On 2010-04-27, at 2:29 AM, Sam Vekemans 
> wrote:
>
>  Hey all, a quick reminder that the website domain has expired, and its
>> past the renew date. I havent been able to get contact with
>> user:Dshpak (who is the owner)
>> So if he let it laps, it maybe available.
>>
>> Anyone want to purchaise it? Im sure whoever does will be willing to
>> allow for multiple admins, so this wont happen again. :-)
>>
>> Any takers?
>> Sam
>>
>>
> I just looked at the Whois and it appears to be renewed until next year
> now.  Hopefully the "right" person renewed it.
>
> Tyler
>
>
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[tyler]

On 2010-04-27, at 2:29 AM, Sam Vekemans   
wrote:

> Hey all, a quick reminder that the website domain has expired, and its
> past the renew date. I havent been able to get contact with
> user:Dshpak (who is the owner)
> So if he let it laps, it maybe available.
>
> Anyone want to purchaise it? Im sure whoever does will be willing to
> allow for multiple admins, so this wont happen again. :-)
>
> Any takers?
> Sam
>

I just looked at the Whois and it appears to be renewed until next  
year now.  Hopefully the "right" person renewed it.

Tyler


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[tyler]

On 2010-04-27, at 2:29 AM, Sam Vekemans   
wrote:

> Hey all, a quick reminder that the website domain has expired, and its
> past the renew date. I havent been able to get contact with
> user:Dshpak (who is the owner)
> So if he let it laps, it maybe available.
>
> Anyone want to purchaise it? Im sure whoever does will be willing to
> allow for multiple admins, so this wont happen again. :-)
>
> Any takers?
> Sam


Where is the website hosted right now?   I don't have server resources  
to host the website but I would be willing to register the domain and  
maintain the dns for it.

Tyler


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[Sam Vekemans]

Hey all, a quick reminder that the website domain has expired, and its
past the renew date. I havent been able to get contact with
user:Dshpak (who is the owner)
So if he let it laps, it maybe available.

Anyone want to purchaise it? Im sure whoever does will be willing to
allow for multiple admins, so this wont happen again. :-)

Any takers?
Sam


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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca : français/québ écois...

[Sam Vekemans]

I am using Google Translate.  (it's included in Gmail) where it
automatically translates the text.  It might not be a perfect translation.
However, enough to follow along :)  & yup, Gregory's advice was best.
(check out the page & contact for details)

http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Groups#Local_Chapters_Working_Group
 lo...@osmfoundation.org

We also have a local-chapt...@openstreetmap.org mailing list, im subscribed
to that & it's helpful.
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/local-chapters.   As this is a VERY
difficult discussion (all over the world).  I also assume that it will also
be heavily talked about at SOTM.   (unfortunately i wont be making a Europe
trip this summer to attend)

Sam


2010/3/28 Bob Bowles 

>  Help, translation please ?
>
> I have connections with a French speaking Canadian, I will forward  this to
> him.
>
> Russ, help with translation ?
>
> Perhaps we can develop this mapping in both languages ?
>
> Bob Bowles
>
>
>
>
>
>  --
> *From:* talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:
> talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] *On Behalf Of *Nicolas Gignac
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 28, 2010 2:43 PM
> *To:* Michel Gilbert
> *Cc:* Jason Reid; magode...@cgq.qc.ca; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca]openstreetmap.ca : français/québécois...
>
> Bonjour,
>
> J'en prends note et je supporte sans égard tous les efforts de NRCAN pour
> la libéralisation des données au Canada, par contre cela n'a pas eu l'impact
> escompté sur les administrations publiques (ex. municipalités, ministères,
> entreprise, etc.) au Québec.
>
> Ma réponse à Michel serait la suivante :
> suite au débat dans l'OSGeo-Qc, il y a eu plus d'une dizaine de réponses /
> questions en moins de deux jours qui ont été envoyées sur la liste OSGeo-Qc
> : http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/quebec/2010-March/000276.html Un projet
> de "coopérative" a même émergé. Cela marque un intérêt fort dans la
> communauté à trouver une solution au retard québécois (est-ce la même chose
> dans les régions francophones canadiennes à l'extérieur du Québec ???) et de
> s'organiser le plus tôt possible.
>
> Ce ne sont pas des efforts de traductions qui est le réel besoin québécois
> ou un simple site openstreetmap.ca traduit en français, mais une structure
> assez collée à la réalité pour pallier au problème du "corporatisme"
> spécifique au Québec. Il ne s'agit pas d'une question de langue ici ou de
> dédoubler les choses avec osm-ca (j'ai été assez clair dans mes
> interventions sur la liste osgeo à ce sujet pour ne pas dédoubler les
> efforts). Je crois qu'un accès à un serveur avec une page d'accueil osm-qc
> disponible pour toutes municipalités, OSBL, ministère, entreprise ou
> organisme pour verser des données libres pour potentiellement les transférer
> par la suite dans OSM est un point de départ.
>
> Je crois qu'à partir des messages que je vois passer provenant d'osm-ca et
> mes connaissances des projets "Open Data" au Canada, les provinces à
> l'extérieur du Québec sont hautement plus avancées en terme de
> libéralisation des données. Le Québec a un recul très spécifique et pour le
> rattraper, je crois que les idées qui sont ressorties des échanges au sein
> de l'OSGeo-Qc doivent être poussées au sein de l'OSGeo-Qc, comme l'OSGeo-fr
> tente actuellement de le faire :
> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/francophone/2010-March/002408.html
>
> J'invite tous les membres de la liste osm-ca de venir en discuter au
> Rendez-Vous OSGeo-Québec en juin 2010 à Saguenay :
> http://rendez-vous-osgeo-qc.org/2010/
>
> Au plaisir d'avoir de vos nouvelles,
>
> Nicolas
>
>
> Le 27 mars 2010 07:46, Michel Gilbert  a écrit :
>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Je suis surpris de tes conclusions soient aussi rapides. To courriel sur
>> osgeo-qc est apparu hier. Quatre personnes ont répondu à ton message jusqu'à
>> maintenant; c'est ce que tu appelles beaucoup ? Je participe à l'OSM depuis
>> 3 ans, sans avoir utilisé openstreetmap.ca. Le domaine principal combiné
>> au talk-ca sont suffisants pour faire passer l'information considérant les
>> ressources disponibles. Je ne vois comment on maintiendrait un niveau
>> supplémentaire d'information. Tes efforts de traduction por le domaine
>> openstreetmap.ca est un bon exemple qu'il est difficile de maintenir trop
>> de sites. Je trouve que c'est d'encourager la diluation des efforts.
>>
>> L'implication du Québec dans l'OSM est comparable à celui du reste du
>> Canada. Personnellemen

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[Gregory]

Also, if you are communicating to other organisations about OSM, you might
want to think about creating a local chapter. Contacting the OSMF local
chapters group you could at least ask  them if you should or for other
advice.
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Groups#Local_Chapters_Working_Group

 lo...@osmfoundation.org

2010/3/28 Gregory 

>
>
> 2010/3/27 Nicolas Gignac 
>
>> My last question would be : if we want to use the word "openstreetmap" in
>> our domain name, do we need to be supported by some people, organization or
>> we can process with this : openstreetmap.qc.ca domain without any problem
>> ?
>
>
> I would go ahead with that domain name, other people make similar named
> websites. I don't actually know about the name "OpenStreetMap" but I know
> the logo is trademarked by the OpenStreetMap Foundation(OSMF). This was done
> mainly so that people can't use it in a negative way, I fairly sure you're
> allowed to use it as you're supporting OSM and linking back to them a lot.
>
> You could contact the foundation to check things like this. They are a
> friendly bunch from the OSM community, elected by other members. I suspect
> at least a couple of the board members know some French too (sorry, I
> don't!).
> http://www.osmfoundation.org
>
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[Bob Bowles]

Help, translation please ?
 
I have connections with a French speaking Canadian, I will forward  this to
him.
 
Russ, help with translation ?
 
Perhaps we can develop this mapping in both languages ?
 
Bob Bowles
 
 
 
 

  _  

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Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 2:43 PM
To: Michel Gilbert
Cc: Jason Reid; magode...@cgq.qc.ca; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca]openstreetmap.ca : français/québécois...


Bonjour,

J'en prends note et je supporte sans égard tous les efforts de NRCAN pour la
libéralisation des données au Canada, par contre cela n'a pas eu l'impact
escompté sur les administrations publiques (ex. municipalités, ministères,
entreprise, etc.) au Québec. 

Ma réponse à Michel serait la suivante : 
suite au débat dans l'OSGeo-Qc, il y a eu plus d'une dizaine de réponses /
questions en moins de deux jours qui ont été envoyées sur la liste OSGeo-Qc
: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/quebec/2010-March/000276.html Un projet
de "coopérative" a même émergé. Cela marque un intérêt fort dans la
communauté à trouver une solution au retard québécois (est-ce la même chose
dans les régions francophones canadiennes à l'extérieur du Québec ???) et de
s'organiser le plus tôt possible.

Ce ne sont pas des efforts de traductions qui est le réel besoin québécois
ou un simple site openstreetmap.ca traduit en français, mais une structure
assez collée à la réalité pour pallier au problème du "corporatisme"
spécifique au Québec. Il ne s'agit pas d'une question de langue ici ou de
dédoubler les choses avec osm-ca (j'ai été assez clair dans mes
interventions sur la liste osgeo à ce sujet pour ne pas dédoubler les
efforts). Je crois qu'un accès à un serveur avec une page d'accueil osm-qc
disponible pour toutes municipalités, OSBL, ministère, entreprise ou
organisme pour verser des données libres pour potentiellement les transférer
par la suite dans OSM est un point de départ.

Je crois qu'à partir des messages que je vois passer provenant d'osm-ca et
mes connaissances des projets "Open Data" au Canada, les provinces à
l'extérieur du Québec sont hautement plus avancées en terme de
libéralisation des données. Le Québec a un recul très spécifique et pour le
rattraper, je crois que les idées qui sont ressorties des échanges au sein
de l'OSGeo-Qc doivent être poussées au sein de l'OSGeo-Qc, comme l'OSGeo-fr
tente actuellement de le faire :
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/francophone/2010-March/002408.html

J'invite tous les membres de la liste osm-ca de venir en discuter au
Rendez-Vous OSGeo-Québec en juin 2010 à Saguenay :
http://rendez-vous-osgeo-qc.org/2010/

Au plaisir d'avoir de vos nouvelles,

Nicolas



Le 27 mars 2010 07:46, Michel Gilbert  a écrit :


Bonjour, 

Je suis surpris de tes conclusions soient aussi rapides. To courriel sur
osgeo-qc est apparu hier. Quatre personnes ont répondu à ton message jusqu'à
maintenant; c'est ce que tu appelles beaucoup ? Je participe à l'OSM depuis
3 ans, sans avoir utilisé openstreetmap.ca. Le domaine principal combiné au
talk-ca sont suffisants pour faire passer l'information considérant les
ressources disponibles. Je ne vois comment on maintiendrait un niveau
supplémentaire d'information. Tes efforts de traduction por le domaine
openstreetmap.ca est un bon exemple qu'il est difficile de maintenir trop de
sites. Je trouve que c'est d'encourager la diluation des efforts.

L'implication du Québec dans l'OSM est comparable à celui du reste du
Canada. Personnellement, je trouve la couverture du territoire est
encourageante. De plus, l'initiative GéoBase/CanVec entreprise et future
(canvec.osm) apportera une contribution importante. Mettons nos efforts à
amener nos organisations à participer au projet, c'est à mon sens une façon
concrète et mesurable de participer.

Bonne journée,

Michel



Le 27 mars 2010 03:16, Nicolas Gignac  a écrit :


Dear,

It is just to let you know that since I did not received any news from the
work of French translation I have done one month earlier in the
openstreetmap.ca web page, as a member of the OSGeo Local Chapter of Quebec
(http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Chapitre_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois), I post my initial
idea for an openstreetmap Quebec or French Canada :
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/quebec/2010-March/000270.html as well as
other project I had in mind (loading script unique to quebec datasets, cloud
services over OSM, labaratoty environment for school / research /
development area in Quebec, etc.). 
In this post, many persons in Quebec expressed their support to my initial
idea and one of the member offered his help within his organisation as a
hosting service for : osm-qc site, open raw datasets specific to Quebec,
French documentation unique to C

Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca : français/québ écois...

[Gregory]

2010/3/27 Nicolas Gignac 
>
> My last question would be : if we want to use the word "openstreetmap" in
> our domain name, do we need to be supported by some people, organization or
> we can process with this : openstreetmap.qc.ca domain without any problem
> ?


I would go ahead with that domain name, other people make similar named
websites. I don't actually know about the name "OpenStreetMap" but I know
the logo is trademarked by the OpenStreetMap Foundation(OSMF). This was done
mainly so that people can't use it in a negative way, I fairly sure you're
allowed to use it as you're supporting OSM and linking back to them a lot.

You could contact the foundation to check things like this. They are a
friendly bunch from the OSM community, elected by other members. I suspect
at least a couple of the board members know some French too (sorry, I
don't!).
http://www.osmfoundation.org

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[Nicolas Gignac]

Bonjour,

J'en prends note et je supporte sans égard tous les efforts de NRCAN pour la
libéralisation des données au Canada, par contre cela n'a pas eu l'impact
escompté sur les administrations publiques (ex. municipalités, ministères,
entreprise, etc.) au Québec.

Ma réponse à Michel serait la suivante :
suite au débat dans l'OSGeo-Qc, il y a eu plus d'une dizaine de réponses /
questions en moins de deux jours qui ont été envoyées sur la liste OSGeo-Qc
: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/quebec/2010-March/000276.html Un projet
de "coopérative" a même émergé. Cela marque un intérêt fort dans la
communauté à trouver une solution au retard québécois (est-ce la même chose
dans les régions francophones canadiennes à l'extérieur du Québec ???) et de
s'organiser le plus tôt possible.

Ce ne sont pas des efforts de traductions qui est le réel besoin québécois
ou un simple site openstreetmap.ca traduit en français, mais une structure
assez collée à la réalité pour pallier au problème du "corporatisme"
spécifique au Québec. Il ne s'agit pas d'une question de langue ici ou de
dédoubler les choses avec osm-ca (j'ai été assez clair dans mes
interventions sur la liste osgeo à ce sujet pour ne pas dédoubler les
efforts). Je crois qu'un accès à un serveur avec une page d'accueil osm-qc
disponible pour toutes municipalités, OSBL, ministère, entreprise ou
organisme pour verser des données libres pour potentiellement les transférer
par la suite dans OSM est un point de départ.

Je crois qu'à partir des messages que je vois passer provenant d'osm-ca et
mes connaissances des projets "Open Data" au Canada, les provinces à
l'extérieur du Québec sont hautement plus avancées en terme de
libéralisation des données. Le Québec a un recul très spécifique et pour le
rattraper, je crois que les idées qui sont ressorties des échanges au sein
de l'OSGeo-Qc doivent être poussées au sein de l'OSGeo-Qc, comme l'OSGeo-fr
tente actuellement de le faire :
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/francophone/2010-March/002408.html

J'invite tous les membres de la liste osm-ca de venir en discuter au
Rendez-Vous OSGeo-Québec en juin 2010 à Saguenay :
http://rendez-vous-osgeo-qc.org/2010/

Au plaisir d'avoir de vos nouvelles,

Nicolas


Le 27 mars 2010 07:46, Michel Gilbert  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> Je suis surpris de tes conclusions soient aussi rapides. To courriel sur
> osgeo-qc est apparu hier. Quatre personnes ont répondu à ton message jusqu'à
> maintenant; c'est ce que tu appelles beaucoup ? Je participe à l'OSM depuis
> 3 ans, sans avoir utilisé openstreetmap.ca. Le domaine principal combiné
> au talk-ca sont suffisants pour faire passer l'information considérant les
> ressources disponibles. Je ne vois comment on maintiendrait un niveau
> supplémentaire d'information. Tes efforts de traduction por le domaine
> openstreetmap.ca est un bon exemple qu'il est difficile de maintenir trop
> de sites. Je trouve que c'est d'encourager la diluation des efforts.
>
> L'implication du Québec dans l'OSM est comparable à celui du reste du
> Canada. Personnellement, je trouve la couverture du territoire est
> encourageante. De plus, l'initiative GéoBase/CanVec entreprise et future
> (canvec.osm) apportera une contribution importante. Mettons nos efforts à
> amener nos organisations à participer au projet, c'est à mon sens une façon
> concrète et mesurable de participer.
>
> Bonne journée,
>
> Michel
>
>
>
> Le 27 mars 2010 03:16, Nicolas Gignac  a écrit :
>
>> Dear,
>>
>> It is just to let you know that since I did not received any news from the
>> work of French translation I have done one month earlier in the
>> openstreetmap.ca web page, as a member of the OSGeo Local Chapter of
>> Quebec (http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Chapitre_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois), I post
>> my initial idea for an openstreetmap Quebec or French Canada :
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/quebec/2010-March/000270.html as well as
>> other project I had in mind (loading script unique to quebec datasets, cloud
>> services over OSM, labaratoty environment for school / research /
>> development area in Quebec, etc.).
>> In this post, many persons in Quebec expressed their support to my initial
>> idea and one of the member offered his help within his organisation as a
>> hosting service for : osm-qc site, open raw datasets specific to Quebec,
>> French documentation unique to Canada / Quebec, loading script, mapping
>> party news in Quebec and so on. Everything that will be unique to Canada an
>> din English will be linked to the actual openstreetmap.ca site,
>> everything that is unique to the French language will be linked to
>> openstreetmap.fr and everything general to OSM will be linked to the osm
>> "world" site. So, we are open to all French Canadian outside Quebec to be
>> part of our project as well, just be sure you follow the discussion on the
>> OSGeo-Quebec mailing list.
>> My last question would be : if we want to use the word "openstreetmap" in
>> our domain name, do we need to be su

Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca : français/québ écois...

[Michel Gilbert]

Bonjour,

Je suis surpris de tes conclusions soient aussi rapides. To courriel sur
osgeo-qc est apparu hier. Quatre personnes ont répondu à ton message jusqu'à
maintenant; c'est ce que tu appelles beaucoup ? Je participe à l'OSM depuis
3 ans, sans avoir utilisé openstreetmap.ca. Le domaine principal combiné au
talk-ca sont suffisants pour faire passer l'information considérant les
ressources disponibles. Je ne vois comment on maintiendrait un niveau
supplémentaire d'information. Tes efforts de traduction por le domaine
openstreetmap.ca est un bon exemple qu'il est difficile de maintenir trop de
sites. Je trouve que c'est d'encourager la diluation des efforts.

L'implication du Québec dans l'OSM est comparable à celui du reste du
Canada. Personnellement, je trouve la couverture du territoire est
encourageante. De plus, l'initiative GéoBase/CanVec entreprise et future
(canvec.osm) apportera une contribution importante. Mettons nos efforts à
amener nos organisations à participer au projet, c'est à mon sens une façon
concrète et mesurable de participer.

Bonne journée,

Michel



Le 27 mars 2010 03:16, Nicolas Gignac  a écrit :

> Dear,
>
> It is just to let you know that since I did not received any news from the
> work of French translation I have done one month earlier in the
> openstreetmap.ca web page, as a member of the OSGeo Local Chapter of
> Quebec (http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Chapitre_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois), I post
> my initial idea for an openstreetmap Quebec or French Canada :
> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/quebec/2010-March/000270.html as well as
> other project I had in mind (loading script unique to quebec datasets, cloud
> services over OSM, labaratoty environment for school / research /
> development area in Quebec, etc.).
> In this post, many persons in Quebec expressed their support to my initial
> idea and one of the member offered his help within his organisation as a
> hosting service for : osm-qc site, open raw datasets specific to Quebec,
> French documentation unique to Canada / Quebec, loading script, mapping
> party news in Quebec and so on. Everything that will be unique to Canada an
> din English will be linked to the actual openstreetmap.ca site, everything
> that is unique to the French language will be linked to openstreetmap.frand 
> everything general to OSM will be linked to the osm "world" site. So, we
> are open to all French Canadian outside Quebec to be part of our project as
> well, just be sure you follow the discussion on the OSGeo-Quebec mailing
> list.
> My last question would be : if we want to use the word "openstreetmap" in
> our domain name, do we need to be supported by some people, organization or
> we can process with this : openstreetmap.qc.ca domain without any problem
> ?
>
> Thanks for letting us know and we will keep you all in touch with our
> project.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nicolas
>
>
>
>
> Le 24 mars 2010 11:40, Richard Weait  a écrit :
>
>> 2010/3/24 Nicolas Gignac :
>> > It is just to know what is going on with the French part of
>> > openstreetmap.ca? I send an email with all the corrections and I still
>> did
>> > not received any update... If it cannot be made quickly, can I have
>> write
>> > access and do the editing by my self?
>>
>> I haven't seen Jason reply on this thread.  Did he indicate to anybody
>> that he would make these changes, or that he would accept help to do
>> so?
>>
>> I haven't seen confirmation that Jason still runs openstreetmap.caeither.
>>
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca : français/québ écois...

[Sam Vekemans]

Hi,
i just got contact with Jason Ried on facebook, that email address
might be old. So he might not be getting the messages.

I'll forward your request, so hopefully you can get editing access. :)

I also have some ideas on how to make the site better :)

Feel free to use the IRC #osm-ca and french is most welcome on it.
Everytime i log on, i create it, if knowone else is in the room.


On 3/27/10, Nicolas Gignac  wrote:
> Dear,
>
> It is just to let you know that since I did not received any news from the
> work of French translation I have done one month earlier in the
> openstreetmap.ca web page, as a member of the OSGeo Local Chapter of Quebec
> (http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Chapitre_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois), I post my initial
> idea for an openstreetmap Quebec or French Canada :
> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/quebec/2010-March/000270.html as well as
> other project I had in mind (loading script unique to quebec datasets, cloud
> services over OSM, labaratoty environment for school / research /
> development area in Quebec, etc.).
> In this post, many persons in Quebec expressed their support to my initial
> idea and one of the member offered his help within his organisation as a
> hosting service for : osm-qc site, open raw datasets specific to Quebec,
> French documentation unique to Canada / Quebec, loading script, mapping
> party news in Quebec and so on. Everything that will be unique to Canada an
> din English will be linked to the actual openstreetmap.ca site, everything
> that is unique to the French language will be linked to openstreetmap.fr and
> everything general to OSM will be linked to the osm "world" site. So, we are
> open to all French Canadian outside Quebec to be part of our project as
> well, just be sure you follow the discussion on the OSGeo-Quebec mailing
> list.
> My last question would be : if we want to use the word "openstreetmap" in
> our domain name, do we need to be supported by some people, organization or
> we can process with this : openstreetmap.qc.ca domain without any problem ?
>
> Thanks for letting us know and we will keep you all in touch with our
> project.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nicolas
>
>
>
>
> Le 24 mars 2010 11:40, Richard Weait  a écrit :
>
>> 2010/3/24 Nicolas Gignac :
>> > It is just to know what is going on with the French part of
>> > openstreetmap.ca? I send an email with all the corrections and I still
>> did
>> > not received any update... If it cannot be made quickly, can I have
>> > write
>> > access and do the editing by my self?
>>
>> I haven't seen Jason reply on this thread.  Did he indicate to anybody
>> that he would make these changes, or that he would accept help to do
>> so?
>>
>> I haven't seen confirmation that Jason still runs openstreetmap.ca either.
>>
>


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[Nicolas Gignac]

Dear,

It is just to let you know that since I did not received any news from the
work of French translation I have done one month earlier in the
openstreetmap.ca web page, as a member of the OSGeo Local Chapter of Quebec
(http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Chapitre_qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois), I post my initial
idea for an openstreetmap Quebec or French Canada :
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/quebec/2010-March/000270.html as well as
other project I had in mind (loading script unique to quebec datasets, cloud
services over OSM, labaratoty environment for school / research /
development area in Quebec, etc.).
In this post, many persons in Quebec expressed their support to my initial
idea and one of the member offered his help within his organisation as a
hosting service for : osm-qc site, open raw datasets specific to Quebec,
French documentation unique to Canada / Quebec, loading script, mapping
party news in Quebec and so on. Everything that will be unique to Canada an
din English will be linked to the actual openstreetmap.ca site, everything
that is unique to the French language will be linked to openstreetmap.fr and
everything general to OSM will be linked to the osm "world" site. So, we are
open to all French Canadian outside Quebec to be part of our project as
well, just be sure you follow the discussion on the OSGeo-Quebec mailing
list.
My last question would be : if we want to use the word "openstreetmap" in
our domain name, do we need to be supported by some people, organization or
we can process with this : openstreetmap.qc.ca domain without any problem ?

Thanks for letting us know and we will keep you all in touch with our
project.

Cheers,

Nicolas




Le 24 mars 2010 11:40, Richard Weait  a écrit :

> 2010/3/24 Nicolas Gignac :
> > It is just to know what is going on with the French part of
> > openstreetmap.ca? I send an email with all the corrections and I still
> did
> > not received any update... If it cannot be made quickly, can I have write
> > access and do the editing by my self?
>
> I haven't seen Jason reply on this thread.  Did he indicate to anybody
> that he would make these changes, or that he would accept help to do
> so?
>
> I haven't seen confirmation that Jason still runs openstreetmap.ca either.
>
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[Richard Weait]

2010/3/24 Nicolas Gignac :
> It is just to know what is going on with the French part of
> openstreetmap.ca? I send an email with all the corrections and I still did
> not received any update... If it cannot be made quickly, can I have write
> access and do the editing by my self?

I haven't seen Jason reply on this thread.  Did he indicate to anybody
that he would make these changes, or that he would accept help to do
so?

I haven't seen confirmation that Jason still runs openstreetmap.ca either.

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[Nicolas Gignac]

It is just to know what is going on with the French part of openstreetmap.ca?
I send an email with all the corrections and I still did not received any
update... If it cannot be made quickly, can I have write access and do the
editing by my self?

*C'est un rappel pour savoir ce qui se passe avec la mise à jour en français
du site openstreetmap.ca ? J'ai envoyé les corrections il y a plus de 3
semaines. Sinon, est-ce possible d'avoir les droits sur le site et le faire
moi-même ?

Merci de me tenir au courant dès que possible.

Au plaisir,*

Nicolas


Le 19 mars 2010 11:49, Nicolas Gignac  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> C'est un rappel pour savoir ce qui se passe avec la mise à jour en français
> du site openstreetmap.ca ? J'ai envoyé les corrections il y a plus de 3
> semaines. Sinon, est-ce possible d'avoir les droits sur le site et le faire
> moi-même ?
>
> It is just to know what is going on with the French part of
> openstreetmap.ca? I send an email with all the corrections and I still did
> not received any update... If it cannot be made quickly, can I have write
> access and do the editing by my self
>
> Merci de me tenir au courant dès que possible.
>
> Au plaisir,
>
> Nicolas
>
>
> Le 7 mars 2010 16:09, Sam Vekemans  a écrit
> :
>
> Hi,
>> Sorry, i guess i forgot to cc' the list,  it's Jason Reid who owns the
>> openstreetmap.ca website, hopefully he can give you write access to
>> the website to get the french version up & running
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> 2010/3/7 Nicolas Gignac :
>> > Ok, who is supposed to do the update on the web site openstreetmap.ca?
>> >
>> > Thanks for letting me know.
>> >
>> > Nicolas
>> >
>> > Le 5 mars 2010 19:41, Sam Vekemans  a
>> écrit :
>> >>
>> >> No sorry, no news yet.
>> >> But i include the talk-ca@ list on this message.
>> >>
>> >> Sam
>> >>
>> >> BTW, i like how there is more translations on the wiki pages.  Great
>> work!
>> >>
>> >> Ya, it would be great to see a custom style direct from the osm.cawebsite
>> >> :)
>> >>
>> >> 2010/3/5 Nicolas Gignac :
>> >> > Any news for the requested I made to you below (translation of
>> >> > openstreetmap.ca)
>> >> > Thanks for letting me know.
>> >> >
>> >> > Nicolas
>> >> >
>> >> > Le 27 février 2010 19:21, Nicolas Gignac  a
>> écrit :
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bonjour à vous les cartographes !
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Here as attachment the main page openstreetmap.ca translated in
>> French.
>> >> >> If you could generate a tag "English/Français" somewhere on the main
>> >> >> site
>> >> >> which will be link to the English or French content it would be just
>> >> >> great.
>> >> >> After that, Francophone will be able to understand easily the
>> >> >> Openstreetmap.ca page.
>> >> >> I put in red the actual English wording in the document. I put the
>> link
>> >> >> to openstreetmap.fr from France for more documentation in French at
>> the
>> >> >> end.
>> >> >> However, be careful once you link some of openstreetmap general wiki
>> >> >> page
>> >> >> for the French content of this openstreetmap.ca, be aware that you
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> link them to French (with the FR: tag), as an exemple the
>> >> >> section "online
>> >> >> editor" tag in the main page is linked to :
>> >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing , but it should
>> be replaced
>> >> >> by
>> >> >> this one : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Editing , and so
>> on
>> >> >> for all
>> >> >> other links to wiki pages in French...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks for doing this French integration to the OSM.ca site.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please keep me informed once the version is online.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Merci.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Au plaisir,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nicolas
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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[Nicolas Gignac]

Bonjour,

C'est un rappel pour savoir ce qui se passe avec la mise à jour en français
du site openstreetmap.ca ? J'ai envoyé les corrections il y a plus de 3
semaines. Sinon, est-ce possible d'avoir les droits sur le site et le faire
moi-même ?

It is just to know what is going on with the French part of openstreetmap.ca?
I send an email with all the corrections and I still did not received any
update... If it cannot be made quickly, can I have write access and do the
editing by my self

Merci de me tenir au courant dès que possible.

Au plaisir,

Nicolas


Le 7 mars 2010 16:09, Sam Vekemans  a écrit :

> Hi,
> Sorry, i guess i forgot to cc' the list,  it's Jason Reid who owns the
> openstreetmap.ca website, hopefully he can give you write access to
> the website to get the french version up & running
>
> Cheers,
> Sam
>
>
> 2010/3/7 Nicolas Gignac :
> > Ok, who is supposed to do the update on the web site openstreetmap.ca?
> >
> > Thanks for letting me know.
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
> > Le 5 mars 2010 19:41, Sam Vekemans  a
> écrit :
> >>
> >> No sorry, no news yet.
> >> But i include the talk-ca@ list on this message.
> >>
> >> Sam
> >>
> >> BTW, i like how there is more translations on the wiki pages.  Great
> work!
> >>
> >> Ya, it would be great to see a custom style direct from the osm.cawebsite
> >> :)
> >>
> >> 2010/3/5 Nicolas Gignac :
> >> > Any news for the requested I made to you below (translation of
> >> > openstreetmap.ca)
> >> > Thanks for letting me know.
> >> >
> >> > Nicolas
> >> >
> >> > Le 27 février 2010 19:21, Nicolas Gignac  a
> écrit :
> >> >>
> >> >> Bonjour à vous les cartographes !
> >> >>
> >> >> Here as attachment the main page openstreetmap.ca translated in
> French.
> >> >> If you could generate a tag "English/Français" somewhere on the main
> >> >> site
> >> >> which will be link to the English or French content it would be just
> >> >> great.
> >> >> After that, Francophone will be able to understand easily the
> >> >> Openstreetmap.ca page.
> >> >> I put in red the actual English wording in the document. I put the
> link
> >> >> to openstreetmap.fr from France for more documentation in French at
> the
> >> >> end.
> >> >> However, be careful once you link some of openstreetmap general wiki
> >> >> page
> >> >> for the French content of this openstreetmap.ca, be aware that you
> >> >> should
> >> >> link them to French (with the FR: tag), as an exemple the
> >> >> section "online
> >> >> editor" tag in the main page is linked to :
> >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing , but it should
> be replaced
> >> >> by
> >> >> this one : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Editing , and so on
> >> >> for all
> >> >> other links to wiki pages in French...
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for doing this French integration to the OSM.ca site.
> >> >>
> >> >> Please keep me informed once the version is online.
> >> >>
> >> >> Merci.
> >> >>
> >> >> Au plaisir,
> >> >>
> >> >> Nicolas
> >> >
> >
> >
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[Sam Vekemans]

Hi,
Sorry, i guess i forgot to cc' the list,  it's Jason Reid who owns the
openstreetmap.ca website, hopefully he can give you write access to
the website to get the french version up & running

Cheers,
Sam


2010/3/7 Nicolas Gignac :
> Ok, who is supposed to do the update on the web site openstreetmap.ca ?
>
> Thanks for letting me know.
>
> Nicolas
>
> Le 5 mars 2010 19:41, Sam Vekemans  a écrit :
>>
>> No sorry, no news yet.
>> But i include the talk-ca@ list on this message.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> BTW, i like how there is more translations on the wiki pages.  Great work!
>>
>> Ya, it would be great to see a custom style direct from the osm.ca website
>> :)
>>
>> 2010/3/5 Nicolas Gignac :
>> > Any news for the requested I made to you below (translation of
>> > openstreetmap.ca)
>> > Thanks for letting me know.
>> >
>> > Nicolas
>> >
>> > Le 27 février 2010 19:21, Nicolas Gignac  a écrit :
>> >>
>> >> Bonjour à vous les cartographes !
>> >>
>> >> Here as attachment the main page openstreetmap.ca translated in French.
>> >> If you could generate a tag "English/Français" somewhere on the main
>> >> site
>> >> which will be link to the English or French content it would be just
>> >> great.
>> >> After that, Francophone will be able to understand easily the
>> >> Openstreetmap.ca page.
>> >> I put in red the actual English wording in the document. I put the link
>> >> to openstreetmap.fr from France for more documentation in French at the
>> >> end.
>> >> However, be careful once you link some of openstreetmap general wiki
>> >> page
>> >> for the French content of this openstreetmap.ca, be aware that you
>> >> should
>> >> link them to French (with the FR: tag), as an exemple the
>> >> section "online
>> >> editor" tag in the main page is linked to :
>> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing , but it should be replaced
>> >> by
>> >> this one : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Editing , and so on
>> >> for all
>> >> other links to wiki pages in French...
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for doing this French integration to the OSM.ca site.
>> >>
>> >> Please keep me informed once the version is online.
>> >>
>> >> Merci.
>> >>
>> >> Au plaisir,
>> >>
>> >> Nicolas
>> >
>
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[Nicolas Gignac]

Ok, who is supposed to do the update on the web site openstreetmap.ca ?

Thanks for letting me know.

Nicolas

Le 5 mars 2010 19:41, Sam Vekemans  a écrit :

> No sorry, no news yet.
> But i include the talk-ca@ list on this message.
>
> Sam
>
> BTW, i like how there is more translations on the wiki pages.  Great work!
>
> Ya, it would be great to see a custom style direct from the osm.ca website
> :)
>
> 2010/3/5 Nicolas Gignac :
> > Any news for the requested I made to you below (translation of
> > openstreetmap.ca)
> > Thanks for letting me know.
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
> > Le 27 février 2010 19:21, Nicolas Gignac  a écrit :
> >>
> >> Bonjour à vous les cartographes !
> >>
> >> Here as attachment the main page openstreetmap.ca translated in French.
> >> If you could generate a tag "English/Français" somewhere on the main
> site
> >> which will be link to the English or French content it would be just
> great.
> >> After that, Francophone will be able to understand easily the
> >> Openstreetmap.ca page.
> >> I put in red the actual English wording in the document. I put the link
> >> to openstreetmap.fr from France for more documentation in French at the
> end.
> >> However, be careful once you link some of openstreetmap general wiki
> page
> >> for the French content of this openstreetmap.ca, be aware that you
> should
> >> link them to French (with the FR: tag), as an exemple the
> section "online
> >> editor" tag in the main page is linked to :
> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing , but it should be replaced
> by
> >> this one : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Editing , and so on
> for all
> >> other links to wiki pages in French...
> >>
> >> Thanks for doing this French integration to the OSM.ca site.
> >>
> >> Please keep me informed once the version is online.
> >>
> >> Merci.
> >>
> >> Au plaisir,
> >>
> >> Nicolas
> >
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[Sam Vekemans]

No sorry, no news yet.
But i include the talk-ca@ list on this message.

Sam

BTW, i like how there is more translations on the wiki pages.  Great work!

Ya, it would be great to see a custom style direct from the osm.ca website :)

2010/3/5 Nicolas Gignac :
> Any news for the requested I made to you below (translation of
> openstreetmap.ca)
> Thanks for letting me know.
>
> Nicolas
>
> Le 27 février 2010 19:21, Nicolas Gignac  a écrit :
>>
>> Bonjour à vous les cartographes !
>>
>> Here as attachment the main page openstreetmap.ca translated in French.
>> If you could generate a tag "English/Français" somewhere on the main site
>> which will be link to the English or French content it would be just great.
>> After that, Francophone will be able to understand easily the
>> Openstreetmap.ca page.
>> I put in red the actual English wording in the document. I put the link
>> to openstreetmap.fr from France for more documentation in French at the end.
>> However, be careful once you link some of openstreetmap general wiki page
>> for the French content of this openstreetmap.ca, be aware that you should
>> link them to French (with the FR: tag), as an exemple the section "online
>> editor" tag in the main page is linked to :
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing , but it should be replaced by
>> this one : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Editing , and so on for all
>> other links to wiki pages in French...
>>
>> Thanks for doing this French integration to the OSM.ca site.
>>
>> Please keep me informed once the version is online.
>>
>> Merci.
>>
>> Au plaisir,
>>
>> Nicolas
>

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[Sam Vekemans]

Thanks Nakor,
Looks good so far,

If you come across any of my old connected pages that you think should be
removed, as they might not be valid anymore.  Please let me know then i can
make a copy of it and host the details on my own website for Across Canada
Trails.  (But stuff might be related if it got fixed up a little.   Since
i'm scatter-brained sometimes, it's difficult for me todo this :-)

Some of the stuff that i wrote is more todo with the Across Canada Trails
project, but since the 2 are so closely related (the Across Canada Trails
idea & routing is directly from the community who agree on what roads should
be part of this trail.   (So it's really grown organically as a result of
efforts across the Country.   (mapping local & regional trails)
Since the route  it's self is wiki... anyone can change it or list it as
they like.   Unlike the traditional method for creating a recreational
national route, where it's only a private committee that decides.  .. the
Across Canada Trails project is everyone who works on the map decides.

This is why, right now im only listing the proposed paved route.   ... as
all of the regional trails have not yet been mapped. (and the paved route is
easy, since i just avoid the highway & take the most recommended routes)
So for the time being, i will be just publicly posting (on other websites)
the GPS track of the Gravel Trails & route, and the dirt hiking trails. ..
(ie. the National Hiking  Trail & National rail-trail).

Since i have not yet heard back from a "Official Word" from Trans Canada
Trail ... but i did get the OK from Patrick Connor of the Ontario Trails
Council & also the VP of the Canadian Trails Federation & the OK (i think)
from National Trails coalition.   I think that it's a go, & OK that
publically announce this. HOWEVER, i still feel the need get get an
"Official Word" from the TCT & try to understand what their overall vision
is for Canada. ... That way, im not stepping on anyones toes, or undermining
other peoples work.

I'll also ask for an official letter stating the OK for me to propose a
National Trail (end to end connected for each type of route) where the
actuall routing is only available on OpenStreetMap & listed in the proposed
status.  So the local communities can change the routing, where better
alternates exist.   (As that may be enough for the OSM - Canada community to
go-ahead.   I already give permission to post my routing that i (will)
publicly announce) but i might need more.

So anyway, (to get back on topic) because this is a national iniciative, i
need to make sure that all my documentation about the project is also
written in french, as well as the relative connected pages.  :)

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Cheers,
Sam

2010/2/13 Nakor 

> On 02/12/2010 01:14 AM, Nicolas Gignac wrote:
> >  Un autre
> > pas serait aussi de traduire la partie Québec du wiki
> > : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Quebec
> >
>
> J'ai commncé à traduire la page Wikiprojet Canada
>
> N.
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[Nakor]

On 02/12/2010 01:14 AM, Nicolas Gignac wrote:
>  Un autre
> pas serait aussi de traduire la partie Québec du wiki
> : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Quebec
> 

J'ai commncé à traduire la page Wikiprojet Canada

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[john whelan]

Sounds an excellent way to go.

Cheerio John

2010/2/12 Nicolas Gignac :
> Ok, je suis d'accord pour mettre certaines infos en français au moins sur la
> page de départ d'openstreetmap.ca (commencer par la traduction directe et je
> vais faire le reste lorsque j'aurai le temps), mais ce qu'il faut comprendre
> c'est que le contenu technique (chargement, fonctionnement d'openstreetmap,
> etc.) peut être redirigé vers le site.fr sans problème, par contre le
> contenu canadien d'intérêt local (party carto, possibilité de réseautage,
> collaboration/entraide, formation, événement/congrès local OSM, etc.)
> devrait plaire aux francophones en majorité du Québec. Il y a plusieurs
> raisons pourquoi la communauté OSM est moins forte ici au Québec, je ne
> les énumérai pas tous ici. À titre d'exemple, depuis la formation d'un
> chapitre local Québécois de l'OSGeo, la géomatique libre et open source est
> devenue très populaire et a maintenant une crédibilité qui n'existait pas
> avant la création de ce chapitre adapté au contexte québécois, on a
> peut-être un côté chauvin... En t-k, voilà mon opinion, j'ai lancé l'idée de
> départ, mais si elle paraît farfelue, je vais méditer là-dessus et voir
> comment suscité l'intérêt au Québec pour OSM ailleurs qu'à Sherbrooke d'une
> autre façon...Je n'ai pas de problème pour l'anglais puisque je l'écris et
> le comprend sans problème, sauf que je sais que ce n'est pas le cas de tous
> mes collègues. Un autre pas serait aussi de traduire la partie Québec du
> wiki : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Quebec
> Tenez-moi au courant des développements.
> Openstreetmapement vôtre,
> Nicolas
>
> Le 11 février 2010 20:14, Sam Vekemans  a
> écrit :
>>
>> Hi,
>> We can certainly put up a loose-translation (of the Canada wiki) and
>> just put a header stating that the text is a 'loose translation:
>> please fix if you can'.
>>
>> You are also free to reply to any message in french :) - IMO
>> It just means that there will be a slight delay as we switch on google
>> translate.
>>
>> (im currently on my mobile, but when i reply from my laptop, it should
>> automatically translate.)
>>
>> My guess is that it will be 75% accurate, which is still OK for me :-)
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> On 2/11/10, john whelan  wrote:
>> > At the moment OSM Canada has fewer resources available than is
>> > desirable.  The problem with technical translations is how do you deal
>> > with updates?  And in the case of French much of the work has already
>> > been done.  May I suggest you talk nicely to openstreetmap.fr and add
>> > on a few Canada specific pages.
>> >
>> > I agree that openstreetmap.ca should at least have some French text on
>> > the front page with a link to the Openstreetmap.fr site and a short
>> > explanation.  This way you'll get a much richer French environment
>> > without the danger of conflicting information.
>> >
>> > Au revoir John
>> >
>> > 2010/2/11 Nicolas Gignac :
>> >> Bonjour,
>> >>
>> >> Comme le site OpenStreetMap.ca n'est pas traduit en français, je crois
>> >> que
>> >> l'on devrait traduire le tout le plus tôt possible si on veut susciter
>> >> le
>> >> même intérêt openstreetmap pour les francophones du Canada ? Car celui
>> >> OpenStreetMap.fr est plus adapté au contexte de la France que celui ici
>> >> en
>> >> Amérique.
>> >> Autre chose, est-ce qu'il y a une procédure possible, si par exemple,
>> >> on
>> >> voyait un intérêt au Québec de créer un openstreetmap adapté au
>> >> contexte
>> >> québécois (problème de licence unique, données disponibles, droits
>> >> d'auteurs, langue, etc.) avec une adresse du genre :
>> >> openstreetmap.qc.ca ?
>> >>
>> >> Merci de me tenir au courant.
>> >>
>> >> Nicolas
>> >>
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[Nicolas Gignac]

Ok, je suis d'accord pour mettre certaines infos en français au moins sur la
page de départ d'openstreetmap.ca (commencer par la traduction directe et je
vais faire le reste lorsque j'aurai le temps), mais ce qu'il faut comprendre
c'est que le contenu technique (chargement, fonctionnement d'openstreetmap,
etc.) peut être redirigé vers le site.fr sans problème, par contre le
contenu canadien d'intérêt local (party carto, possibilité de réseautage,
collaboration/entraide, formation, événement/congrès local OSM, etc.)
devrait plaire aux francophones en majorité du Québec. Il y a plusieurs
raisons pourquoi la communauté OSM est moins forte ici au Québec, je ne
les énumérai pas tous ici. À titre d'exemple, depuis la formation d'un
chapitre local Québécois de l'OSGeo, la géomatique libre et open source est
devenue très populaire et a maintenant une crédibilité qui n'existait pas
avant la création de ce chapitre adapté au contexte québécois, on a
peut-être un côté chauvin... En t-k, voilà mon opinion, j'ai lancé l'idée de
départ, mais si elle paraît farfelue, je vais méditer là-dessus et voir
comment suscité l'intérêt au Québec pour OSM ailleurs qu'à Sherbrooke d'une
autre façon...Je n'ai pas de problème pour l'anglais puisque je l'écris et
le comprend sans problème, sauf que je sais que ce n'est pas le cas de tous
mes collègues. Un autre pas serait aussi de traduire la partie Québec du
wiki : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canada:Quebec

Tenez-moi au courant des développements.

Openstreetmapement vôtre,

Nicolas

Le 11 février 2010 20:14, Sam Vekemans  a
écrit :

> Hi,
> We can certainly put up a loose-translation (of the Canada wiki) and
> just put a header stating that the text is a 'loose translation:
> please fix if you can'.
>
> You are also free to reply to any message in french :) - IMO
> It just means that there will be a slight delay as we switch on google
> translate.
>
> (im currently on my mobile, but when i reply from my laptop, it should
> automatically translate.)
>
> My guess is that it will be 75% accurate, which is still OK for me :-)
>
> Sam
>
> On 2/11/10, john whelan  wrote:
> > At the moment OSM Canada has fewer resources available than is
> > desirable.  The problem with technical translations is how do you deal
> > with updates?  And in the case of French much of the work has already
> > been done.  May I suggest you talk nicely to openstreetmap.fr and add
> > on a few Canada specific pages.
> >
> > I agree that openstreetmap.ca should at least have some French text on
> > the front page with a link to the Openstreetmap.fr site and a short
> > explanation.  This way you'll get a much richer French environment
> > without the danger of conflicting information.
> >
> > Au revoir John
> >
> > 2010/2/11 Nicolas Gignac :
> >> Bonjour,
> >>
> >> Comme le site OpenStreetMap.ca n'est pas traduit en français, je crois
> que
> >> l'on devrait traduire le tout le plus tôt possible si on veut susciter
> le
> >> même intérêt openstreetmap pour les francophones du Canada ? Car celui
> >> OpenStreetMap.fr est plus adapté au contexte de la France que celui ici
> en
> >> Amérique.
> >> Autre chose, est-ce qu'il y a une procédure possible, si par exemple, on
> >> voyait un intérêt au Québec de créer un openstreetmap adapté au contexte
> >> québécois (problème de licence unique, données disponibles, droits
> >> d'auteurs, langue, etc.) avec une adresse du genre :
> openstreetmap.qc.ca ?
> >>
> >> Merci de me tenir au courant.
> >>
> >> Nicolas
> >>
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[Sam Vekemans]

Hi,
We can certainly put up a loose-translation (of the Canada wiki) and
just put a header stating that the text is a 'loose translation:
please fix if you can'.

You are also free to reply to any message in french :) - IMO
It just means that there will be a slight delay as we switch on google
translate.

(im currently on my mobile, but when i reply from my laptop, it should
automatically translate.)

My guess is that it will be 75% accurate, which is still OK for me :-)

Sam

On 2/11/10, john whelan  wrote:
> At the moment OSM Canada has fewer resources available than is
> desirable.  The problem with technical translations is how do you deal
> with updates?  And in the case of French much of the work has already
> been done.  May I suggest you talk nicely to openstreetmap.fr and add
> on a few Canada specific pages.
>
> I agree that openstreetmap.ca should at least have some French text on
> the front page with a link to the Openstreetmap.fr site and a short
> explanation.  This way you'll get a much richer French environment
> without the danger of conflicting information.
>
> Au revoir John
>
> 2010/2/11 Nicolas Gignac :
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Comme le site OpenStreetMap.ca n'est pas traduit en français, je crois que
>> l'on devrait traduire le tout le plus tôt possible si on veut susciter le
>> même intérêt openstreetmap pour les francophones du Canada ? Car celui
>> OpenStreetMap.fr est plus adapté au contexte de la France que celui ici en
>> Amérique.
>> Autre chose, est-ce qu'il y a une procédure possible, si par exemple, on
>> voyait un intérêt au Québec de créer un openstreetmap adapté au contexte
>> québécois (problème de licence unique, données disponibles, droits
>> d'auteurs, langue, etc.) avec une adresse du genre : openstreetmap.qc.ca ?
>>
>> Merci de me tenir au courant.
>>
>> Nicolas
>>
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[john whelan]

At the moment OSM Canada has fewer resources available than is
desirable.  The problem with technical translations is how do you deal
with updates?  And in the case of French much of the work has already
been done.  May I suggest you talk nicely to openstreetmap.fr and add
on a few Canada specific pages.

I agree that openstreetmap.ca should at least have some French text on
the front page with a link to the Openstreetmap.fr site and a short
explanation.  This way you'll get a much richer French environment
without the danger of conflicting information.

Au revoir John

2010/2/11 Nicolas Gignac :
> Bonjour,
>
> Comme le site OpenStreetMap.ca n'est pas traduit en français, je crois que
> l'on devrait traduire le tout le plus tôt possible si on veut susciter le
> même intérêt openstreetmap pour les francophones du Canada ? Car celui
> OpenStreetMap.fr est plus adapté au contexte de la France que celui ici en
> Amérique.
> Autre chose, est-ce qu'il y a une procédure possible, si par exemple, on
> voyait un intérêt au Québec de créer un openstreetmap adapté au contexte
> québécois (problème de licence unique, données disponibles, droits
> d'auteurs, langue, etc.) avec une adresse du genre : openstreetmap.qc.ca ?
>
> Merci de me tenir au courant.
>
> Nicolas
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[Corey Burger]

2010/2/11 Nicolas Gignac :
> Bonjour,
>
> Comme le site OpenStreetMap.ca n'est pas traduit en français, je crois que
> l'on devrait traduire le tout le plus tôt possible si on veut susciter le
> même intérêt openstreetmap pour les francophones du Canada ? Car celui
> OpenStreetMap.fr est plus adapté au contexte de la France que celui ici en
> Amérique.
> Autre chose, est-ce qu'il y a une procédure possible, si par exemple, on
> voyait un intérêt au Québec de créer un openstreetmap adapté au contexte
> québécois (problème de licence unique, données disponibles, droits
> d'auteurs, langue, etc.) avec une adresse du genre : openstreetmap.qc.ca ?
>
> Merci de me tenir au courant.
>> Nicolas

Nicolas,

Jason Reid controls .ca, so if you provide him a FR-CA translation, I
am sure he will put it up.

Corey

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Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca : français/québ écois...

[Yves Moisan]

Le jeudi 11 février 2010 à 13:24 -0500, Nicolas Gignac a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
> Comme le site OpenStreetMap.ca n'est pas traduit en français, je crois
> que l'on devrait traduire le tout le plus tôt possible si on veut
> susciter le même intérêt openstreetmap pour les francophones du
> Canada ?

Ça va être difficile de trouver des bénévoles pour faire ça.  Déjà de
s'occuper des données c'est quelque chose ...  Ceci dit, ça serait
vraiment intéressant d'avoir une version française qui utilise le plus
possible le contenu traduit sur le site Français.

>  Car celui OpenStreetMap.fr est plus adapté au contexte de la France
> que celui ici en Amérique.
> Autre chose, est-ce qu'il y a une procédure possible, si par exemple,
> on voyait un intérêt au Québec de créer un openstreetmap adapté au
> contexte québécois (problème de licence unique, données disponibles,
> droits d'auteurs, langue, etc.) avec une adresse du genre :
> openstreetmap.qc.ca ?

Je n'ai rien contre la spécificité québécoise, bien au contraire, mais
je ne crois pas qu'on puisse prétendre avoir un OSM si la licence est
différente.  Je ne suis même pas sûr que la fondation OSM permettrait de
faire cela.  Et cela serait parfaitement conséquent.

Il faut plutôt travailler à rendre les données du gouvernement québécois
compatible avec CC-SA (ou la nouvelle licence qui s'en vient dans OSM)
que de faire un OSM parallèle.  Comme québécois, je ne serais pas trop
fier qu'une des facettes de ma spécificité soit de contribuer à un OSM
un peu moins ouvert.

Yves

> 
> Merci de me tenir au courant.
> 
> Nicolas
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[Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca : français/québ écois...

[Nicolas Gignac]

Bonjour,

Comme le site OpenStreetMap.ca n'est pas traduit en français, je crois que
l'on devrait traduire le tout le plus tôt possible si on veut susciter le
même intérêt openstreetmap pour les francophones du Canada ? Car celui
OpenStreetMap.fr est plus adapté au contexte de la France que celui ici en
Amérique.
Autre chose, est-ce qu'il y a une procédure possible, si par exemple, on
voyait un intérêt au Québec de créer un openstreetmap adapté au contexte
québécois (problème de licence unique, données disponibles, droits
d'auteurs, langue, etc.) avec une adresse du genre : openstreetmap.qc.ca ?

Merci de me tenir au courant.

Nicolas
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