Re: Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Syafril, On 04 September 2001 at 09:18:05 +0700 (which was 03:18 where I live) Syafril Hermansyah wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: SH> You may put it on body text (greetings). SH> Threading mode makes us seeing this more easy. Yes, but you're back to having to read the message to find out who's being spoken to rather than seeing it from the address. SH> On other Mailing List, I found Pine or Mutt users replied my posting SH> with "His Own Name on List Name " or IOW his mailer keep SH> "our fancy" Real Name part intact, this is ridiculous and makes really SH> annoying other members :-( But if I understand you correctly then it's ridiculous anyway. Their mailer will reply with instead. IMHO Such lists require a different reply tactic of - To: , CC: "Real_name to make message addressing and attribution clear. IMHO it's a matter of finding a sensible middle ground and using TB's AB reply template power to make the right call for you on a per-list basis. Horses for courses, no single rule. I still believe that "... on XYZList" is the more friendly form for the average list. It works well here *and* on Yahoogroups. That's most of the lists I converse on. >> You see, I actually find it very annoying to see individuals being >> referred to as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". SH> Why annoying ? Because you can't see who a message is addressed to without reading it. Okay, maybe "irritating" rather than annoying. SH> From my POV, the the positive think about "Real Name part SH> " only : SH> 1. We know someone replied our thread or replied our post. SH> 2. We can make "greetings" more fancy. SH> IMHO, point number 1 above is the job of Thread Watcher (on the wish SH> list). I have that working already, although there's no way to differentiate a reply to our thread from an actual reply to me personally. SH> Point number 2 is subjective, on Discussion List members tend SH> to see what's the content more than greetings. Agreed. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/7-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7lJOKOeQkq5KdzaARAlQRAJwMfM1P1Cgrdt0Y6cdEA/WCerRR0ACbBkGo 3jMNL5/b4KGwqbYxDZUI0a0= =rxCT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Senders Initials
Hi! How do I take senders initials from original senders full name ? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Senders Initials
Hi Haye, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:49:43 +0700GMT (04/09/01, 17:49 +0800GMT), Haye wrote: H> How do I take senders initials from original senders full name ? Account / Properties / Templates / Reply / (lower box): Sender Information / (radio button): (.) Initials -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53o under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Senders Initials
Hello Haye, Historians believe that Tuesday, September 4, 2001 at 16:49 GMT +0700 was when, Haye [H] typed the following: H> How do I take senders initials from original senders full name ? To get them in the quote prefix, you can do as Thomas suggested. To get the initials for other uses you need a regular expression. The macro I use is limited to the first three initials, but it is fairly trivial to increase the upper limit to many more. Before I post the macro here, perhaps you could enlighten us as to your purpose. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A This page intentionally left unblank. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Senders Initials
Hello Januk, Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 5:13:56 PM, you wrote: JA> Hello Haye, JA> Historians believe that Tuesday, September 4, 2001 at 16:49 GMT +0700 JA> was when, Haye [H] typed the following: ... like you messagesHaye [H]how do i take "[H]" ? Thanks a lot Januk and Thomas :) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: pgp/gnupg
Hello Dierk, Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 7:33:17 AM, you wrote: DH> BTW, beware of the only known way to break PGP (short of pure violence DH> and stupidity): Some people always try to say PGP has been broken, but DH> don't come up with evidence (This goes on now for nearly 10 years, as DH> long as PGP exists). If an official agency wants to "break" PGP, the DH> best way is to tell they have a backdoor in it, even if they don't DH> have. You're saying that the only weakness in PGP is the fear of weakness? That's the only known way to break it? -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] London UK http://at.omic.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Exchange Server Problem
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 7:46:45 AM, you wrote: TF> sys-adm, who comes in about once a week, Be grateful for small mercies! -- Best regards, William Using The Bat! version 1.53d -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hi All, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 at 09:40:40 GMT +0100 (9/4/2001 3:40 PM GMT +0700 where you think I live) "Marck D Pearlstone"=[MDP]typed the following : SH>> You may put it on body text (greetings). SH>> Threading mode makes us seeing this more easy. > Yes, but you're back to having to read the message to find out who's > being spoken to rather than seeing it from the address. If we're watching some threads or we are author of threads, it worth to do that :-) SH>> On other Mailing List, I found Pine or Mutt users replied my SH>> posting with "His Own Name on List Name " or IOW SH>> his mailer keep "our fancy" Real Name part intact, this is SH>> ridiculous and makes really annoying other members :-( > But if I understand you correctly then it's ridiculous anyway. Their > mailer will reply with instead. I know, and to change it's default need some advance technic. If we feel that we have more flexible Mailer, better to do a favour for others members. In these case, I completely agree with Nick Andriash, please do standard/basic rule on public list : No Real Name Reply, No Reply Counter, No Fancy QuoteStyle. I do hope this can be default setting for TB!. SH>> IMHO, point number 1 above is the job of Thread Watcher (on the SH>> wish list). > I have that working already, although there's no way to differentiate > a reply to our thread from an actual reply to me personally. Triggering Mail ticker too ? -- Best regards, - Syafril - mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! 1.53o under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Syafril, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:25:30 +0700, you graced us with these comments: ... >> But if I understand you correctly then it's ridiculous anyway. Their >> mailer will reply with instead. SH> I know, and to change it's default need some advance technic. SH> If we feel that we have more flexible Mailer, better to do a SH> favour for others members. In these case, I completely agree with SH> Nick Andriash, please do standard/basic rule on public list : No SH> Real Name Reply, No Reply Counter, No Fancy QuoteStyle. I do hope SH> this can be default setting for TB!. For lists dedicated to TB! and it's use, I'm all for using features that TB! supports, even if it's non-standard in style. I do agree that on other public lists such as PGPBasics, one should use the standard methods. (this is just my personal opinion) WRT the reply showing " " in the To: header, I'm neutral. I however disabled it because when the auto-complete uses the list name after someone I wish to post to privately, I have to be hitting Ctrl+ way too much. Now, I'm at peace. :-) I can, for example, type 'Marck' in the To: field and *know* that it will never annoyingly auto-complete to "Marck on TBUDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>", forcing me to hit CTRL+ to get the personal address I wanted in the first place. - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjuUyxUACgkQV8nrYCsHF+K9HgCgphmM0d8xRD/2Oq8to4E/VuGs tbkAn0K7k/Im1fEApLe/vZaqzmoKpw44 =HoNR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hi All, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 at 07:37:40 GMT -0500 (9/4/2001 7:37 PM GMT +0700 where you think I live) "Allie C Martin"=[ACM]typed the following : SH>> If we feel that we have more flexible Mailer, better to do a SH>> favour for others members. In these case, I completely agree with SH>> Nick Andriash, please do standard/basic rule on public list : No SH>> Real Name Reply, No Reply Counter, No Fancy QuoteStyle. I do hope SH>> this can be default setting for TB!. > For lists dedicated to TB! and it's use, I'm all for using features > that TB! supports, even if it's non-standard in style. I agree too, as Andriash mentioned about this ^_- (Hi Yuki, I follow you). > I do agree that on other public lists such as PGPBasics, one should > use the standard methods. (this is just my personal opinion). >From List Administrator POV, standard term will give him more flexibility as needed. Remember when sometimes ago the "Real Name Part" not comes up on this list ? I set the list route to Smarthouse; the listserver only send single copy to other Smarthouse on other ISP for further distibution because at that time my ISP having routing problem. If I have to keep "Real Name Part" intact, I must route more than 5 hundreds msg to smarthouse for every posting, this is waste of bandwith. > WRT the reply showing " " in the To: header, > I'm neutral. I however disabled it because when the auto-complete uses > the list name after someone I wish to post to privately, I have to be > hitting Ctrl+ way too much. Now, I'm at peace. :-) I can, for example, > type 'Marck' in the To: field and *know* that it will never annoyingly > auto-complete to "Marck on TBUDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>", forcing > me to hit CTRL+ to get the personal address I wanted in the first > place. Aha..never think about it before, thanks to inform us. -- Best regards, - Syafril - mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Flying with The Bat! 1.53o under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Some basic questions
Hello TBUDL list, Monday, September 03, 2001, 1:08:10 PM, you wrote: SH> Have you tried Mail Ticker yet ? That way, you will notified if new SH> message come in. Thanks - Mail ticker does not work for me since it is a window on the top of tb window, and obscures what is on the screen. If I could expand the threads it would be much better. Thanks. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, On Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 07:37:40 -0500, Allie C Martin [ACM] wrote concerning 'Threads': [...] ACM> I however disabled it because when the auto-complete uses the ACM> list name after someone I wish to post to privately, I have to be ACM> hitting Ctrl+ way too much. There is no need to disable it for that. I have it enabled but don't have those problems with auto-completing. I think that's because I have auto-complete enabled for Address book only. I don't use auto-complete for history. - -- Best regards, David ** Ya mudda's so stupid, she tripped over the cordless Telephone ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/7] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 633@874 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBO5TEa1K9yf5+yp9NEQKY/QCgthTmfprxJO6u328iAASkV6BsbBQAoL3/ V2tTF+q8naSD8yxKcUGR8+5Z =J6Rj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hello Syafril, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:25:30 +0700 GMT (04/09/2001, 20:25 +0800 GMT), Syafril Hermansyah wrote: >> Yes, but you're back to having to read the message to find out who's >> being spoken to rather than seeing it from the address. SH> If we're watching some threads or we are author of threads, it worth SH> to do that :-) That's not the point - I read every message anyway. ;-) However, when I later scroll through the message list of today's messages, it is far easier to find a specific message when you remember that Marck replied to Syafril, rather than Allie replied to TBUDL. Especially in long threads where the subject remains unchanged. Scrolling this way is *a lot* faster than searching. SH> In these case, I completely agree with Nick Andriash, please do SH> standard/basic rule on public list : No Real Name Reply, No Reply SH> Counter, No Fancy QuoteStyle. I do hope this can be default setting SH> for TB!. I disagree. While it is incorrect to just state the real name and then the list address (see discussion about a year ago where SL made this point), I find it much better to use the full features power of TB to construct addressees like I have above. As to the autocomplete (as mentioned by Allie): I have yet to experience a problem. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ad: Stock up and save. Limit: one. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: pgp/gnupg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello ::Andrew::! On Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 10:59:22 AM you wrote: > You're saying that the only weakness in PGP is the fear of weakness? > That's the only known way to break it? OK, that was the very short version. Here comes a slightly more comprehensive version (please read the intro I gave you the link for): 1. Since all encrypted messages have to be decrypted to be read, every crypto scheme has weaknesses. With advanced computer power it is possible to create keys that are virtually unbreakable. 2. For symmetric keys (you and I have the same key) the weaknesses are relatively high. Some of them can be minimised (by using every time a new key), but they introduce new trouble. 3. Asymmetric keys have the advantage that two parts are used and they main weakness is to have both of them together. * I highly recommend to read Zimmermann's article (the intro to PGP) for details!* 4. With PGP there are actually four levels of security, asymmetric keys, keys are generated new every time (symmetric), it uses data compression (ZIP) and a passphrase. 5. The algorithms used by PGP are so good, there has not been found a logical flaw in them for the last 10 years - and even longer, some of the algorithms are known since the 60s. 6. How to break PGP? Either by brute force, that is combine the computation of a lot of computers and let it work on a key. It can be shown that all the computational power in the world at the moment will not break a PGP key in all the time left till the end of our solar system *on average*. 7. The other way is to get hold of the keys (especially the private one) *and* the passphrase of its owner. that was what I meant by "violence and stupidity". 8. So your assessment is correct for now: PGP is practically unbreakable except by planting the seeds of doubt (Hmm, read one Oz novel too many?). Please let us stop here before it goes into a heated argument. If you read Zimmermann's intro, you will get the details. If you are really interested in the mathematics behind, there are some good books on cryptology on the market. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Love truly wishes some good to another, and therefore we all desire it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO5TNNvTo1oA8g8dLEQLfYACcC0Z7t9cSyrPkTq3eiqrPBWLd5gIAoI1S SMN61SXUsqRsCRbG1PAnGpFa =9LBc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: pgp/gnupg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op dinsdag 4 september 2001 schreef Dierk Haasis: > 1. Since all encrypted messages have to be decrypted to be read, > every crypto scheme has weaknesses. With advanced computer power it > is possible to create keys that are virtually unbreakable. that's a tight corner to pull; *because* there is decryption *there must be* weaknesses? (are we off-topic yet?) > 7. The other way is to get hold of the keys (especially the private > one) *and* the passphrase of its owner. well, that *and* was not a necessity; there was a flaw in the definition of the private keyring (the file containing the private keys), so that the passphrase was not necessary to sign messages. see http://www.i.cz/en/pdf/openPGP_attack_ENGvktr.pdf for details (cool math revealing the inner workings of PGP!) Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5TWhcxmXGfKa+lHEQIPEwCg5+XTfydZoJ2qns1cfSvzrYEs++4AoJem SN9deVUHNtaA6KKiGBnhr5wG =O8Sp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: pgp/gnupg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi mrten-dop, On 04 September 2001 at 16:26:26 +0200 (which was 15:26 where I live) mrten-dop wrote to Dierk Haasis and made these points: md> (are we off-topic yet?) (yes) This has been a very well conducted and intelligent discussion. I'm sad to say that it's drifted too far OT to stay here though. TBOT or even PGP-Basics is fine for it. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53n/iKey1000- 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7lOcNOeQkq5KdzaARAo/mAJ46Eb+1y7lfUI0GYyZ61W2M4W3kcQCguVEw qDlOY5AttfVibuaQBHGRGJ0= =dw3q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hi Thomas, On 04 September 2001 at 21:30:12 +0800 (which was 14:30 where I live) Thomas F wrote to Syafril Hermansyah on TBUDL and made these points: TF> it is far easier to find a specific message when you remember TF> that Marck replied to Syafril, rather than Allie replied to TF> TBUDL. Scrolling this way is *a lot* faster than searching. Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. SH>> In these case, I completely agree with Nick Andriash, please do SH>> standard/basic rule on public list : No Real Name Reply, No Reply SH>> Counter, No Fancy QuoteStyle. I do hope this can be default setting SH>> for TB!. TF> I disagree. While it is incorrect to just state the real name and TF> then the list address (see discussion about a year ago where SL TF> made this point), This I understand. It's not a technical reason, but it is "misleading" to imply that the list address is that of the individual being named against it. TF> I find it much better to use the full features power of TB to TF> construct addressees like I have above. As do I. I still haven't seen a good reason stated for not doing this and there are quite a few reasons *for* it. Syafril's argument was self defeating in that the Linux mailers in question are going to have trouble whatever addressing us TB users apply. Since I've used the "... on XYZlist", I haven't been castigated for it once. I use it on PGP-Basics too as well as here. It makes it much clearer who is talking to who when reviewing a thread. TF> As to the autocomplete (as mentioned by Allie): I have yet to TF> experience a problem. This used to be a problem when auto-complete only worked from the history. I've seen many a cropper in the old days when folks thought they'd picked and off-list address and sent to the list instead. I was even caught out myself a couple of times. Now that it works from the AB, it's a huge sigh of relief all round. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53n/iKey1000- 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hello Thomas F, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 at 21:30:12 GMT +0800 (which was 9/4/2001 8:30 PM where you think I live) you told to the list : > However, when I later scroll through the message list of today's > messages, it is far easier to find a specific message when you > remember that Marck replied to Syafril, rather than Allie replied to > TBUDL. Especially in long threads where the subject remains > unchanged. Scrolling this way is *a lot* faster than searching. I don't see the problem while in threading mode :-) SH>> In these case, I completely agree with Nick Andriash, please do SH>> standard/basic rule on public list : No Real Name Reply, No Reply SH>> Counter, No Fancy QuoteStyle. I do hope this can be default SH>> setting for TB!. > I disagree. While it is incorrect to just state the real name and then > the list address (see discussion about a year ago where SL made this > point), I find it much better to use the full features power of TB to > construct addressees like I have above. What do you think if others members replied your posting and on the TO: address ""Syafril Hermansyah on TBUDL"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" If then you replied it again, your greetings will look funy :-) -- Best regards, - Syafril - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hello Marck D Pearlstone, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 at 15:46:48 GMT +0100 (which was 9/4/2001 9:46 PM where you think I live) you told to the list : > As do I. I still haven't seen a good reason stated for not doing this > and there are quite a few reasons *for* it. Syafril's argument was > self defeating in that the Linux mailers in question are going to have > trouble whatever addressing us TB users apply. Pine and Mutt only some examples from *nix World, there are others such exmh. Pine and Mutt very populer, many people use it around the world, you may meeet their users on most public Mailing List. Back to point : no complaint if using "Real Name on List Name" on TB! list, but please be aware using this on general Public Mailing List, at least ready to getting complaint if you insist to use it :-) -- Best regards, - Syafril - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Some basic questions
Hello Andrew Hodgson, On Mon, 3 Sep 2001 at 13:20:41 GMT +0100 (which was 9/4/2001 7:20 PM where you think I live) you told to the list : SH>> Have you tried Mail Ticker yet ? That way, you will notified if new SH>> message come in. > Thanks - Mail ticker does not work for me since it is a window on the > top of tb window, and obscures what is on the screen. Sorry I don't know your situation, seems Thomas better knows than me. > If I could expand the threads it would be much better. As others point out, you can do this. You may check thread "view thread by reference" from archive, we're talking about this last week. IMHO, Mail Ticker is good things, it help me much to manage mail priority, it was a pitty if you can not utilize it :-( -- Best regards, - Syafril - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Syafril, On 04 September 2001 at 23:14:24 +0700 (which was 17:14 where I live) Syafril Hermansyah wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: SH> What do you think if others members replied your posting and on SH> the TO: address ""Syafril Hermansyah on SH> TBUDL"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" Why would they do that? Surely, that's their problem not ours. SH> If then you replied it again, your greetings will look funy :-) Maybe, but there's always the "by hand" fix for when the automation goes wrong - one that the the original incorrect reply should have been employing. The real point being made here is that when it goes *right* (which is *all* of the time on most lists I've seen) it makes for a much richer and more human dialog and threading format. The "Real name" part of an address is meant to make the message address more humanly readable. Why not use it for that purpose? - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53n/iKey1000- 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7lQRqOeQkq5KdzaARAjeHAKDpT/jOmlsMcnDiVpIhpDckFOTnlgCg+TXK kJmJn0RoQhkxqbWYZG5j8Is= =EUO6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Syafril, On 04 September 2001 at 23:24:02 +0700 (which was 17:24 where I live) Syafril Hermansyah wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: SH> Back to point : no complaint if using "Real Name on List Name" on SH> TB! list, but please be aware using this on general Public Mailing SH> List, at least ready to getting complaint if you insist to use it SH> :-) I stand warned and prepared ;-)! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53n/iKey1000- 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7lQXeOeQkq5KdzaARAk0gAJ9Nf4D2Mi9jEmEF/hjVcS64yriTKACeJhs5 yU0/ums0agayio20QMTRMjM= =y3WZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hello Marck D Pearlstone, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 at 17:42:17 GMT +0100 (which was 9/4/2001 11:42 PM where you think I live) you told to the list : > The "Real name" part of an address is meant to make the message > address more humanly readable. Why not use it for that purpose? For personal mail/communication no problem, but for Mailing List it's different...we talk to all members not only to one person :-) Just like if you talking face to face it's different with talking in forum/seminar...which normally we try to speak in term as low term as possible/acceptable, that way most of audience knows what we are talking about :-) -- Best regards, - Syafril - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: pgp/gnupg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, September 03 2001 at 11:16 AM PDT, ::Andrew:: wrote: > I'm just thinking about getting to know pgp or similar in terms of > email encryption. Does anyone have any tips on what software is best > / where to download / how to implement? Firstly, there are two ways you can go... PGP and/or GnuPG, depending on your preferences. Having just started out you really haven't fashioned any preferences as yet so I would suggest, as Dierk has, that you download and install PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 for starters. Secondly, before you go ahead and generate Key Pairs, may I suggest you join our PGP-Basics Mailing List which has been set-up just for beginners such as yourself. Just send a blank message to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look forward to seeing you on List. There are quite a few TB! Users on the List as well, so it's an excellent forum to get help when using PGP and/or GnuPG with TB!. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Courtenay, B.C. Canada=- Win 98SE | GnuPG v1.06 (MingW32) | Becky v2.00.07 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.91 Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iD8DBQE7lQlExQKEdHuj/c4RAohtAKD5/Hy34t3KJftmFj5FiDF3prm9nQCeMORM a/cYoCpmCNqtaJ4csG5sXYs= =CDFc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Syafril, On 04 September 2001 at 23:54:25 +0700 (which was 17:54 where I live) Syafril Hermansyah wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: SH> Just like if you talking face to face it's different with SH> talking in forum/seminar... which normally we try to speak in term SH> as low term as possible/acceptable, that way most of audience SH> knows what we are talking about :-) In the first instance yes, but once we start answering specific questions from the floor, from individuals, then it becomes clearer when our comments are addressed to such individuals rather than to the floor as a whole. In fact, it's considered off-hand and rude to do otherwise unless our comments *are* for the floor. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53n/iKey1000- 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7lQvsOeQkq5KdzaARAgRDAKCEOx7JJVvJ+jL1cKUAObA3cXwOUwCeOBSu aif7cQ+CDjVcMvQ4feA7YY4= =sote -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hello Marck D Pearlstone, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 at 17:42:17 GMT +0100 (which was 9/4/2001 11:42 PM where you think I live) you told to the list : SH>> If then you replied it again, your greetings will look funy :-) > Maybe, but there's always the "by hand" fix for when the automation > goes wrong - one that the the original incorrect reply should have > been employing. That's exactly what they do if they replied us, make them feel iritate. Normally they only press "L" keys and everything goes :-( -- Best regards, - Syafril - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 11:54:25PM +0700, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: > For personal mail/communication no problem, but for Mailing List it's > different...we talk to all members not only to one person :-) In that good old days, people believe that, in general, one should be permissive in what one accepts, and restrictive in what one sends. Regards, Flash -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
Hello good Bat people, We're looking for a good shareware program that: - offers to do lists and calendar features with good flexibility - is stable - does not use large system resources - ideally would integrate with The Bat in some way Anything you like and/or use out there? Best regards, Miles Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, September 04 2001 at 10:29 AM PDT, Miles Johnson wrote: > We're looking for a good shareware program that: > > - offers to do lists and calendar features with good flexibility > - is stable > - does not use large system resources > - ideally would integrate with The Bat in some way Not that I am aware of, but I've been desperately searching for one and am just about to purchase Office 2K so I can use Outlook 2K for that very purpose. I don't necessarily want to expend the money for that, so if you find anything would you be so kind as to let me/us know? - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Courtenay, B.C. Canada=- Win 98SE | GnuPG v1.06 (MingW32) | Becky v2.00.07 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.91 Comment: Join: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iD8DBQE7lRBGxQKEdHuj/c4RAiCQAJ4xlAym1c1fjIz8eU2fmM10GhiFZgCfUXW6 H6xD/sj3UeJz0KUG5SQaoi0= =/Ek8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hello Marck D Pearlstone, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 at 18:14:19 GMT +0100 (which was 9/5/2001 12:14 AM where you think I live) you told to the list : SH>> Just like if you talking face to face it's different with SH>> talking in forum/seminar... which normally we try to speak in term SH>> as low term as possible/acceptable, that way most of audience SH>> knows what we are talking about :-) > In the first instance yes, but once we start answering specific > questions from the floor, from individuals, then it becomes clearer > when our comments are addressed to such individuals rather than to the > floor as a whole. In fact, it's considered off-hand and rude to do > otherwise unless our comments *are* for the floor. On forum/seminars, we are not the only one acting as "speaker" to answer others question, this is not a class with only one guru, sometimes the questions came from a group of audience and the answer from another group of audience tooremember your voice will heard by all audience so why "address" only to the person :-) Didn't it seems like whispering on the forum ? -- Best regards, - Syafril - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hello Syafril, On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:27:13 +0700 GMT (05/09/2001, 01:27 +0800 GMT), Syafril Hermansyah wrote: SH> On forum/seminars, we are not the only one acting as "speaker" to SH> answer others question, this is not a class with only one guru, SH> sometimes the questions came from a group of audience and the answer SH> from another group of audience tooremember your voice will heard SH> by all audience so why "address" only to the person :-) Didn't it SH> seems like whispering on the forum ? Taking your forum analogy, the "... on list" is equivalent to saying: "To the contribution made by Syafril, I would like to add/reply/..." Thus, it is clear whose contribution you refer to (this is actually quite normal in forums in my own experience), and has nothing to do with whispering. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wie man sich fettet, so wiegt man. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: pgp/gnupg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck, Before it goes totally OT. Can I just summarise the key (no pun intended) points which have been really useful to me as someone starting to use TB and PGP for the first time? I think this should roundly bring the topic to a close on TBUDL and provide a useful resource to anyone else wanting to use TB with PGP. 1) You'll need a copy of PGP. If you want a version that will work integrated with TB! get version 6.5.x (this version is also open source so you can be reasonably sure it's secure - ie. no back doors have been introduced). Go here to get a copy: http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html 2) You should read-up on PGP before trying anything because it'll make so much more sense once you have. Why you need privacy by Phil Zimmermann: http://www.pgpi.org/doc/whypgp/en/ Intro to PGP by Phil Zimmermann: http://www.pgpi.org/doc/pgpintro/ 3) You'll need to download the pgp dll's from ritlabs.com website (in the download section). These dll's once extracted should be placed in The Bat! programme directory. That'll probably be C:\Program Files\The Bat!\ for most people. 4) In TB! there's three main ways to access the main PGP features. When you're editing an email under the 'Privacy' menu, from the main programme screen 'Tools/Open PGP' or via a Hot Key defined in PGP software. 5) You'll need to generate your keys which is a simple process automated via a wizard. 6) From the main programme screen, Tools/OpenPGP/Choose OpenPGP version/ click on the version you want to use. You're done. The above should be enough information for you to integrate the PGP with TB!. A discussion on how you actually send PGP encrypted messages is probably down to you understanding PGP itself and is therefore not appropriate for TBUDL. I hope this is an accurate interpretation of the the discussion and will be helpful. - -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] London UK http://at.omic.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A (H4f44f4¨ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5TybCaOomOViTk3EQK8kwCgwS1TGBSP78N78KYG1FE4Vf75iJMAoOCc 2LxE7saPOsdyZTf0lEAx6AJC =/X7Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hello Thomas F, On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 at 01:57:12 GMT +0800 (which was 9/5/2001 12:57 AM where you think I live) you told to the list : > Taking your forum analogy, the "... on list" is equivalent to saying: > "To the contribution made by Syafril, I would like to add/reply/..." > Thus, it is clear whose contribution you refer to (this is actually > quite normal in forums in my own experience), and has nothing to do > with whispering. Okay taken like that, why it should be redundancy, either on TO: and on the body text ? Please note, the problem comes from the TO: Real Name which annoying others members, why your great and good answer must be include that "bad" things (from others POV), you make resistance by yourself :-) -- Best regards, - Syafril - -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
The "Sent" Folder
Greetings, Does anyone know how to stop the bat from putting copies of sent mail into the sent folder..?? I did look for an answer to this simple question in the Bat FAQ.. If I missed it maybe it would be easier to just send me the link. best regards Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: The "Sent" Folder
hi fusiontunes, Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 9:24:46 PM, you wrote: fff> Does anyone know how to stop the bat from putting copies of sent mail into the sent folder..?? fff> I did look for an answer to this simple question in the Bat FAQ.. If I missed it maybe it would be easier to just send me the link. i think there's no way to stop the default behaviour other than creating a simple filter, which will automatically move the messages from the "Sent" folder to "Trash". -- regards, KaKTuZ "Sometimes, the sound of goodbye is louder than any drumbeat..." -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick, Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 6:33:58 PM, you wrote: NA> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- NA> Hash: SHA1 NA> On Tuesday, September 04 2001 at 10:29 AM PDT, Miles Johnson wrote: >> We're looking for a good shareware program that: >> >> - offers to do lists and calendar features with good flexibility >> - is stable >> - does not use large system resources >> - ideally would integrate with The Bat in some way NA> Not that I am aware of, but I've been desperately searching for one and NA> am just about to purchase Office 2K so I can use Outlook 2K for that NA> very purpose. I don't necessarily want to expend the money for that, so NA> if you find anything would you be so kind as to let me/us know? i'd also be interested. - -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] London UK http://at.omic.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A °qM°qML -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5UfXCaOomOViTk3EQL5dACfSsotneoXHCmRXwqKhaYLTeZFtdgAn1tM JfRgA+9G2lNzXY3sItOzMsXo =UpVS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: The "Sent" Folder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello KaKTuZ, Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 7:30:40 PM, you wrote: K> i think there's no way to stop the default behaviour other than K> creating a simple filter, which will automatically move the messages K> from the "Sent" folder to "Trash". or indeed just delete them outright with a filter - -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] London UK http://at.omic.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5UfpSaOomOViTk3EQKGZwCg6OK+YOdke2xjV9znKhNjuGUrTFoAoPL3 QmPjedMBdcx9ZDMzk1qZkB7n =Fx+C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: The "Sent" Folder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello fusiontunes, On Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 14:24:46 -0400, fusiontunes f fusiontunes [fff] wrote concerning 'The "Sent" Folder': fff> Does anyone know how to stop the bat from putting copies of sent fff> mail into the sent folder..?? Maybe by making a outgoing mail filter and let that filter delete the message. String Location Presence @Recipient Yes Actions: Delete the message. - -- Best regards, David ** I used to have an open mind but my brains kept falling out ** [TB! 1.54 Beta/7] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 633@874 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBO5USy1K9yf5+yp9NEQKd/wCg/BKLgNlORIG3AFgA6sRu1oQ+ULQAoJ/O 8ID7Y2wxiJJvhN5rPqJwsLgx =ddum -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hello Syafril, On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:59:51 +0700 GMT (05/09/2001, 01:59 +0800 GMT), Syafril Hermansyah wrote: SH> Okay taken like that, why it should be redundancy, either on TO: SH> and on the body text ? Because I see the TO field before I open the message. SH> Please note, the problem comes from the TO: Real Name SH> which annoying others members, why your great and good answer must be SH> include that "bad" things (from others POV), you make resistance by SH> yourself :-) Same as Marck, I have not exprienced resistance yet. :-) Well, I guess it's a matter of taste and we are going in circles. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Und heisst Du nicht Willi, dann rauch' ich im Wald. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
German spell checker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBUDL Members! Some of the non-German members may have heard that we have a new set of rules for spelling in German speaking countries (officially, privately everyone can do what he wants). Now, as a professional writer I have to come to terms with it, and use real-time spell checking in TB! and other apps for it. TB! has its own dictionary and makes use of MS Office dics. So Am Eng, Brit Eng and German are shown two times in my menu - once original TB!, once MS Office. For American English it even shows CSAPI in brackets. If I want to manually change the spell checker, there is no difficulty. But for lots of people I use templates with the %LANGUAGE macro set to "DE". How can I tell TB! through this macro (or another way) to use not its own but the MS Office one with the new rules? BTW, how come when I open a message from the Outbox, created by a template with language set to German, the spell checker then uses British? - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C In zweifelhaften Fällen entscheide man sich für das Richtige. (Karl Kraus) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO5UTePTo1oA8g8dLEQJQFACfVRJEPS8OLwc6LTgNR3b+wRf1LogAoNyS N4rOC1CWt/NLSDlPkFWtDO87 =O+Ut -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: The "Sent" Folder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello KaKTuZ! On Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 8:30:40 PM you wrote: > i think there's no way to stop the default behaviour other than > creating a simple filter, which will automatically move the messages > from the "Sent" folder to "Trash". That's what I do for some messages. Complimentary I have set the Sent folder to delete messages after two days. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C If God is so important to people that they always have to claim how they have found him, why, in the first place, do they misplace him so often? (Derek Leveret) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBO5UXg/To1oA8g8dLEQLpqACggtpnTyDQDV/ZzQkrK4IeS+va6aEAnA4M Kesm2A2oO1LVq5j01tGiCFL7 =TpgJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marck, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:14:19 +0100, you graced us with these comments: ... MDP> In the first instance yes, but once we start answering specific MDP> questions from the floor, from individuals, then it becomes MDP> clearer when our comments are addressed to such individuals MDP> rather than to the floor as a whole. In fact, it's considered MDP> off-hand and rude to do otherwise unless our comments *are* for MDP> the floor. See in my greeting how specific I am? Yes, I know. You wish to see something similar without having to open the message. Again this is reflected in the message threading. If I see a message directly referenced to yours, then I know, it's a response to your message. I guess I don't mind either way because I don't use the To: column. ;-) Now, if I can only be convinced enough to go back to using the reply template macro: %To=""%TO="Ofromname on ..." I'll change if I find myself managing only with address book auto-completion. :-) - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjuVKCcACgkQV8nrYCsHF+LfZACglPgnkRxbhUePRhyBkGiTg2L3 GQIAoKlnlQ/uWPvBRQu3HS9zlfqkwNSq =kUoQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:09:11 +0200, you wrote these words of wisdom: ... ACM>> I however disabled it because when the auto-complete uses the ACM>> list name after someone I wish to post to privately, I have to be ACM>> hitting Ctrl+ way too much. DvZ> There is no need to disable it for that. I have it enabled but don't DvZ> have those problems with auto-completing. I think that's because I DvZ> have auto-complete enabled for Address book only. I don't use DvZ> auto-complete for history. Ok, I can see with this, however, I find the history to be useful as well when I wish to fill in addresses that aren't in my address book.0 - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjuVJYkACgkQV8nrYCsHF+IpGgCg/JlH/1nCyKoMqnUMhCoE20lp l5UAn3wJx6TpkWQSwEoBN/IZLv28WNN/ =BxJJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
Hello Allie, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:14:46 -0500 GMT (05/09/2001, 03:14 +0800 GMT), Allie C Martin wrote: ACM> I guess I don't mind either way because I don't use the To: column. ACM> ;-) If there are only a few messages (say 2 or 3), I stay in the preview pane, and the message list is unthreaded. Only when there are many messages, I use the folder view, which is threaded. It is in the unthreaded main message list that the name of the person replied to comes in handy. ACM> I'll change if I find myself managing only with address book ACM> auto-completion. :-) I have set the auto-completion to all available, and still have no problem. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Energizer Bunny arrested, charged with battery Message reply created with The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Allie, On 04 September 2001 at 14:14:46 -0500 (which was 20:14 where I live) Allie C Martin wrote to TBUDL and made these points: ACM> ... this is reflected in the message threading. If I see a ACM> message directly referenced to yours, then I know, it's a ACM> response to your message. I don't see any such threading in the ticker virtual folder. I just see a message from you to "TBUDL" (whoever that is). Now, if it were To: "Marck on TBUDL" <...> then I'd probably jump to read it with eager anticipation (- and a rolling up of the sleeves ready for the next round ;-). ACM> I'll change if I find myself managing only with address book ACM> auto-completion. :-) I find it works well. I seldom use the history these days. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53n/iKey1000- 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7lSwYOeQkq5KdzaARAkACAKDX0VSizbb9uiPiz2JGEuwJwlLXRACfR8s2 gQGOieuCGYdd9zjOba5JJEM= =eLDq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Syafril! On Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 7:59:51 PM you wrote: > Please note, the problem comes from the TO: Real Name > which annoying others members, why your great and good answer must be > include that "bad" things (from others POV), you make resistance by > yourself :-) Since I am totally with Marck on this topic, let me just add that as long as nobody will force *me* to change this, anybody else may do what he wants. I really like to see quickly who wrote what. But I try to remember individuals; I sometimes err, but I try. And for me discussion forums, conferences, mailing lists, Usenet and what else are not just anonymous infotainment bazaars but they are about individuals/-ity. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Sonar no cuesta nada (Träumen kostet nichts.). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA+AwUBO5UU2/To1oA8g8dLEQLu7ACYlduIeGNOSKskQ0h1YBpywqjPWQCeIxL7 sbdOBE+y2ChWIdOqUele6xk= =EIWH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Senders Initials
Hello Haye, Historians believe that Tuesday, September 4, 2001 at 17:27 GMT +0700 was when, Haye [H] typed the following: H> like you messagesHaye [H]how do i take "[H]" ? H> Thanks a lot Januk and Thomas :) I use a series of quick templates: 1. Initials QT %SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)(\w).*?([-_=@\.\s]+(\w).*?)?([-_=@\.\s]+(\w).*?)?$"%- %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%QINCLUDE=""Full Name"""%- %SUBPATT="1"%SUBPATT="3"%SUBPATT="5"%- 2. Full Name QT %CAPITAL='%ABofromNAME="%QINCLUDE=""Full Name - No AB Entry"""' 3. Full Name - No AB Entry QT %SETPATTREGEXP="^(?(?=.*?\@)(.*?)\@|(.*)$)"%- %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%OFROMNAME"%- %SUBPATT="1"%SUBPATT="2"%- The initials QT takes the first 3 initials from the output of the Full Name quick template. The full name quick template looks for an address book entry and capitalizes the words. If there is no AB entry for the address, then the last QT is invoked. It returns the full name as shown in the From line. If there is only an address, then it takes only the stuff up to the @ symbol (ie, it ignores the domain.) If you need help changing any part of this to better suit your needs, let me know on the TBTECH list (see message footer). -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Is it OK to use the AM radio after noon? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: The "Sent" Folder
Hello Dierk, and all: Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 3:03:46 PM, you wrote: (Warning: This message is virtually a new topic.) I guess there are good reasons why people would not want to keep these SENT messages. But I find them very useful. Sometimes I change (improve) the subject line and then the SENT messages allow me to find a topic more easily. Also, the SENT messages often are more or less equal to a subset of the most important or personal messages I receive, because I acknowledge them. And of course only this folder contains everything I have written myself. When I have lost other folders in the past (due to a bug??) the sent folder constituted a very important backup collection. I would be interested to hear how others (who want to keep all SENT messages) handle such messages, using filtering or other procedures. Indeed, if there were just one folder I would keep "forever" it might be the SENT folder contents. David Austen DH> That's what I do for some messages. Complimentary I have set the Sent DH> folder to delete messages after two days. DH> - -- DH> Dierk Haasis DH> http://www.Write4U.de Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[3]: The "Sent" Folder
hi David, Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 10:41:52 PM, you wrote: DRA> I would be interested to hear how others (who want to keep all SENT DRA> messages) handle such messages, using filtering or other procedures. as for me, i keep the selected contents of the "Sent" folder, personally. as i don't write *that* much email, i go the folder once in a while to do manual cleaning of the non-important messages, while the personal and important ones just live there. i wonder if it would be possible to make a macro, which once inserted into the body will either copy the message to "Sent"/delete it. this would be very useful, imho, but i have no idea of accomplishing it yet, as i am only starting to learn the advanced TB! features... -- regards, KaKTuZ "Sometimes, the sound of goodbye is louder than any drumbeat..." -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
Hello Listers, On Tuesday, September 4th 2001, at 13:29:07 [GMT -0400] (which was 19:29 where I live) Miles wrote: MJ> We're looking for a good shareware program that: MJ> - offers to do lists and calendar features with good flexibility MJ> - is stable MJ> - does not use large system resources MJ> - ideally would integrate with The Bat in some way Last time I saw it, Palm Desktop was free-download, although theory says it must only be used with Palm devices http://www.palm.com/support/downloads/win_desktop.html I actually use it as my contact manager, right-clicking on contacts to send mail with TB. -- Chema Berian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Spanish GDUTB Moderator Subscriptions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53o on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 TB Tip of the Moment: The little arrow in the corner of envelope of a message means that the message has been replied. You can quickly find the reply by pressing Ctrl+Backspace. PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
Hello Miles, take a look out at sourceforge.org .. search on groupware etc Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 10:29:07 AM, you wrote: MJ> Hello good Bat people, MJ> We're looking for a good shareware program that: MJ> - offers to do lists and calendar features with good flexibility MJ> - is stable MJ> - does not use large system resources MJ> - ideally would integrate with The Bat in some way M -- Best regards, Igbarmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
Hello Chema, Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 4:02:47 PM, you wrote: CB> Last time I saw it, Palm Desktop was free-download, although theory CB> says it must only be used with Palm devices This intrigued me, so I went there to see. And found this: "Palm Desktop 4.0.1 installer only supports handhelds from Palm, Inc." It seems they are saying not to try to use with a cheap generic device. But, let me assume that all Palm functionality should also be available on *any* *desktop* computer that supports the cradle. Thoughts? Anybody know why this is not a viable "sample" for us, "before" we buy a device from Palm? Frankly, I am not sure there is a role for a Palm or any other PDA in my life. But this might actually be a good selling tool for Palm, aimed at skeptics. Like me. I'll let you know what I find and experience. Others with comments? David CB> http://www.palm.com/support/downloads/win_desktop.html CB> I actually use it as my contact manager, right-clicking on contacts to CB> send mail with TB. CB> -- CB> Chema Berian CB> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CB> Spanish GDUTB Moderator CB> Subscriptions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CB> Using The Bat! 1.53o on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 CB> TB Tip of the Moment: The little arrow in the corner of envelope CB> of a message means that the message has been replied. You can quickly CB> find the reply by pressing Ctrl+Backspace. CB> PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
Wednesday, September 05, 2001, 5:29:07 AM, Miles wrote: MJ> Hello good Bat people, MJ> We're looking for a good shareware program that: MJ> - offers to do lists and calendar features with good flexibility MJ> - is stable MJ> - does not use large system resources MJ> - ideally would integrate with The Bat in some way MJ> Anything you like and/or use out there? MJ> Best regards, MJ> Miles Johnson MJ> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Miles, Are you looking for something to use in a professional/business capacity or for personal use? I cannot help you with a business calendar, but if you want one for personal use with a calendar, diary, tasks, address book capability - plus a few extras, "Digita Organiser" is very useful. It is free and as far as I can tell doesn't use much in the way of resources. I open it from the desktop when I need it - do not have it open all the time. cannot be integrated into TB! or other clients but I don't find that a problem. I was previously using Outlook 2000, but I don't miss it at all! -- Carren For PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGPkey -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
Hello Listers, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, at 16:35:56 [GMT -0400] (which was 22:35 where I live) David wrote: DRA> This intrigued me, so I went there to see. And found this: DRA> "Palm Desktop 4.0.1 installer only supports handhelds from Palm, Inc." It can be downloaded and installed without a Palm This thread comes OT, I think -- Chema Berian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Spanish GDUTB Moderator Subscriptions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53o on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 TB Tip of the Moment: You can view the activity log of your account by pressing Ctrl+Shift+A or using "Account | View Log..." menu command. PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Slowness opening folders - solutions?
Hello List, I am using TB v1.51 on Windows 2000, and since moving to this combination in May (previously I was on Windows NT with TB 1.48) I have found that it takes an excruciatingly long time to open folders within TB. I am wondering if upgrading to the newest version of TB (1.53d it looks like) will solve this problem or only make it worse? Anyone else have this issue and able to correct it? Basically what happens is when I click on a folder in TB, the computer's hard drive sits and spins for an eternity (45 to 60 seconds) before the contents of that folder finally show up in the preview pane. I've thought that maybe TB isn't storing these things in RAM anymore, and I've considered upgrading my RAM (I have 256 megs now, which should certainly be enough) in the hopes it might solve this, but I honestly think the problem is with TB 1.51 and not with the computer (since I've not had problems with any programs other than TB). This never happened on earlier versions - just this one. But because the upgrade of TB occurred at the same time I moved to W2K, I do not know if it is a problem within TB itself or an operational problem of TB running on W2K. Anyone have this problem who could provide some guidance? Thanks, Jason -- Jason Ellis, CEO Hosting Solutions, Inc. www.windowswebhost.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Slowness opening folders - solutions?
Oh, one other thing - this happens mostly when opening a folder, but it does also happen when browsing within a folder that has a lot of messages - I'll be reading along no problem and then I'll click on a message and it'll sit there and spin for a minute or two before loading it up. A similar symptom also occurs (but last two to three times as long) when trying to use the spell checker. > Hello List, > I am using TB v1.51 on Windows 2000, and since moving to this > combination in May (previously I was on Windows NT with TB 1.48) I > have found that it takes an excruciatingly long time to open folders > within TB. > I am wondering if upgrading to the newest version of TB (1.53d it > looks like) will solve this problem or only make it worse? Anyone else > have this issue and able to correct it? > Basically what happens is when I click on a folder in TB, the > computer's hard drive sits and spins for an eternity (45 to 60 > seconds) before the contents of that folder finally show up in the > preview pane. I've thought that maybe TB isn't storing these things in > RAM anymore, and I've considered upgrading my RAM (I have 256 megs > now, which should certainly be enough) in the hopes it might solve > this, but I honestly think the problem is with TB 1.51 and not with > the computer (since I've not had problems with any programs other than > TB). > This never happened on earlier versions - just this one. But because > the upgrade of TB occurred at the same time I moved to W2K, I do not > know if it is a problem within TB itself or an operational problem of > TB running on W2K. > Anyone have this problem who could provide some guidance? > Thanks, > Jason -- Jason Ellis, CEO Hosting Solutions, Inc. www.windowswebhost.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Threads
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marck, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:31:34 +0100, you thoughtfully wrote the following: ... ACM>> ... this is reflected in the message threading. If I see a ACM>> message directly referenced to yours, then I know, it's a ACM>> response to your message. MDP> I don't see any such threading in the ticker virtual folder. I MDP> just see a message from you to "TBUDL" (whoever that is). Now, if MDP> it were To: "Marck on TBUDL" <...> then I'd probably jump to read MDP> it with eager anticipation (- and a rolling up of the sleeves MDP> ready for the next round ;-). LOL!! I colour code replies to me for this very reason. I tend to read those first. I thought you did a similar thing. It makes the replies to me stand out, begging for the attention they deserve. :-) I'll stop using the history for autocompletion and if I'm not crippled by it, I'll restart using the macro since it seems to make so many happy. :-) - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjuVRpwACgkQV8nrYCsHF+KOggCg1wCNvenYDR6yfRr6RoRwHslX qjUAni2xqI0ThC60x364x0V/B24q4iFg =xBvV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
Are you looking for something to use in a professional/business capacity or for personal use? That's a hard question, since much of our personal and professional lives seem to increasingly use the same type of communication tools. But we're definitely not talking big business here! I cannot help you with a business calendar, but if you want one for personal use with a calendar, diary, tasks, address book capability - plus a few extras, "Digita Organiser" is very useful. Where do I find this? Got a URL? Thanks! Best, Miles Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.53bis on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chema, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:03:17 +0200, you wrote these words of wisdom: ... DRA>> "Palm Desktop 4.0.1 installer only supports handhelds from Palm, Inc." CB> It can be downloaded and installed without a Palm CB> This thread comes OT, I think Indeed it has. Please take this one off-list. Thanks. - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjuVSBEACgkQV8nrYCsHF+LuggCg5mnGjWt7tUZjO1QQpTsFj2qY 7l0AnjBz9WDgnEypEJVuICnD3gDMzJGT =NF/n -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Slowness opening folders - solutions?
Hello Jason, Historians believe that Tuesday, September 4, 2001 at 17:14 GMT -0400 was when, Jason Ellis [JE] typed the following: JE> I am using TB v1.51 on Windows 2000, and since moving to this JE> combination in May (previously I was on Windows NT with TB 1.48) I JE> have found that it takes an excruciatingly long time to open folders JE> within TB. JE> Anyone have this problem who could provide some guidance? It sounds like you need to compress the folders. (Folders -> Compress all folders). When you delete a message, it is not removed from disk, it is only marked as deleted. A compress operation physically removes these messages. To see if you do have these deleted messages on disk, use the Folder->Browse Deleted feature. You can automate the compression so that it occurs every time you close down TB. This option is set folder-by-folder in the folder properties. One other thing you can check out is the Purge option. Purge will delete messages based on your folder settings. It then runs a compress operation automatically. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Trigonometry for farmers: swine and cowswine. - Erland G. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Slowness opening folders - solutions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jason, You wrote on 9/4/2001, 11:14 PM: Jason> I am using TB v1.51 on Windows 2000, and since moving to this Jason> combination in May (previously I was on Windows NT with TB Jason> 1.48) I have found that it takes an excruciatingly long time to Jason> open folders within TB. Try compressing all folders Folder -> Compress all folder. When you delete a message, TB doesn't really erase it, only assigns it for deletion. I also suggest setting On Exit -> Compress the folder in the properties of those folders with much activity - Inbox and Outbox most certainly. - -- Cheers, SyP Success means never having to wear a suit. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 ckt build 5 iQA/AwUBO5U6qtkgnrcJiuwTEQJ4zwCgmEzPfZA9E7wEobDvCJQuPWjVEmgAnAh7 pcqseXCjfApPKnAMgPdmM4uC =qiB8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Slowness opening folders - solutions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jason, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:14:01 -0400, you wrote these comments: ... JE> Basically what happens is when I click on a folder in TB, the JE> computer's hard drive sits and spins for an eternity (45 to 60 JE> seconds) before the contents of that folder finally show up in the JE> preview pane. I've thought that maybe TB isn't storing these things in JE> RAM anymore, and I've considered upgrading my RAM (I have 256 megs JE> now, which should certainly be enough) in the hopes it might solve JE> this, but I honestly think the problem is with TB 1.51 and not with JE> the computer (since I've not had problems with any programs other than JE> TB). You have enough RAM to operate TB!. :-) 256MB is more than enough unless you're doing a whole lot with your machine. Have you been compressing your folders? If not, then I suggest running a compress all operation on your folders and see what happens. How many messages do you have in the slowest folders? - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjuVSVwACgkQV8nrYCsHF+I5PQCgx4vo6CVurY7N4D9BH70asttj pMkAmwdqk3Fpgf2h6808bi6Jk7OVuBKo =5Zjc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[3]: Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
Wednesday, September 05, 2001, 9:27:04 AM, Miles wrote: MJ> I cannot help you with a business calendar, but if you want one for MJ> personal use with a calendar, diary, tasks, address book capability - MJ> plus a few extras, "Digita Organiser" is very useful. MJ> Where do I find this? Got a URL? MJ> Thanks! MJ> Best, MJ> Miles Johnson MJ> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Miles, The site is actually a tax centre! The organiser is referred to as a "Tax Organiser" due to the fact that I think there are tax "extras" that can be installed.(UK based so probably not much use) Anyway, I like it for what I use it for. Let me know what you think! http://www.digita.com/content/products/organiser/organiser.asp -- Carren For PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGPkey -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Slowness opening folders - solutions?
Thanks to Januk, Allie, and SyP. I just compressed all folders (never did that before - I never knew that TB didn't really delete messages - that seems like a bad thing to me. If I hit the delete button, it should move it to the trash folder. It should *not* leave it hidden in the folder it was originally in, that just doesn't make any sense at all. Anyway, thanks to those who responded. Hopefully now the problem has been solved - if this doesn't fix it, I'll post another message. Jason > Hello Jason, > Historians believe that Tuesday, September 4, 2001 at 17:14 GMT -0400 > was when, Jason Ellis [JE] typed the following: JE>> I am using TB v1.51 on Windows 2000, and since moving to this JE>> combination in May (previously I was on Windows NT with TB 1.48) I JE>> have found that it takes an excruciatingly long time to open folders JE>> within TB. > JE>> Anyone have this problem who could provide some guidance? > It sounds like you need to compress the folders. > (Folders -> Compress all folders). > When you delete a message, it is not removed from disk, it is only > marked as deleted. A compress operation physically removes these > messages. To see if you do have these deleted messages on disk, use > the Folder->Browse Deleted feature. > You can automate the compression so that it occurs every time you > close down TB. This option is set folder-by-folder in the folder > properties. > One other thing you can check out is the Purge option. Purge will > delete messages based on your folder settings. It then runs a > compress operation automatically. -- Jason Ellis, CEO Hosting Solutions, Inc. www.windowswebhost.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[3]: Slowness opening folders - solutions?
On Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 4:51:07 PM, Jason Ellis wrote: > Thanks to Januk, Allie, and SyP. I just compressed all folders > (never did that before - I never knew that TB didn't really delete > messages - that seems like a bad thing to me. If I hit the delete > button, it should move it to the trash folder. It should *not* leave > it hidden in the folder it was originally in, that just doesn't make > any sense at all. Lots of databases have to be packed. -- Dwight A. Corrin P O Box 47828 Wichita KS 67201-7828 316.263.9706 fax 316.263.6385 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 on Windows 98 version 4,90 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[4]: Slowness opening folders - solutions?
DAC> Lots of databases have to be packed. yep .. used to do that with DBase -- Best regards, Igbarmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Slowness opening folders - solutions?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jason, On 04 September 2001 at 17:51:07 -0400 (which was 22:51 where I live) Jason Ellis wrote to Januk Aggarwal and made these points: JE> that seems like a bad thing to me. If I hit the delete button, it JE> should move it to the trash folder. It should *not* leave it JE> hidden in the folder it was originally in, that just doesn't make JE> any sense at all. You have to understand what an email "folder" is first. It is essentially a large flat file stream of messages. To "delete" a message completely means rewriting the entire flat file while excluding the block of text that "once was a message". And rebuilding the index. That takes quite a while, and for it to happen every time you hit "delete" would be grossly unacceptable, as I'm sure you appreciate. Obviously, it makes more sense to simply mark the message as deleted and mark the folder as one which is "compressed on exit" to remove such remnants. TB is not alone in the use of such mail database structures. It is the standard in the Unix world, for instance. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53n/iKey1000- 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7lVMROeQkq5KdzaARAu17AJ9VH6+xS7a2lwZrNS0qMvBnIT5gKACg+VsM lsjT/snOF+hr6dXvun67oos= =T6et -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Slowness opening folders - solutions?
Hello Listers, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, at 23:17:52 [GMT +0100] (which was 0:17 where I live) Marck wrote: MDP> TB is not alone in the use of such mail database structures. It MDP> is the standard in the Unix world, for instance. Its almost the standard for OE, although it doesn't store in plain text nor compress on exit. :D -- Chema Berian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Spanish GDUTB Moderator Subscriptions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53o on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 TB Tip of the Moment: You can use Space key to read messages without entering in the message text area. Once the end of a message is reached, a stroke of Space bar will take you to the next message. PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[3]: Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello David, Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 9:35:56 PM, you wrote: DRA> Others with comments? I use palm desktop as well - but then I have a palm. It's pretty reasonable and there's no reason why it couldn't be used stand alone. - -- Best regards, ::Andrew::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] London UK http://at.omic.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.53d on Windows 98 4.10 Build A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5VbFSaOomOViTk3EQJmBACbBTADNgAOnlPXkmloOl5tN6j3IQwAoMo7 K3mcvL5Sz8fb9WrXsVGX+D2g =OuZG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: German spell checker
Hello Dierk Haasis On Wednesday, September 05, 2001 you wrote: [...] > %LANGUAGE macro set to "DE". How can I tell TB! through this macro > (or another way) to use not its own but the MS Office one with the > new rules? Have you tried something like this: %LANGUAGE="CSAPI DE" Instead of DE there might be some different name. > BTW, how come when I open a message from the Outbox, created by a > template with language set to German, the spell checker then uses > British? Hm, maybe setting %LANGUAGE for the whole account would help? No problems here in Poland. For the whole account I use: %LANGUAGE="CSAPI PL" and for some English lists I use a special template with %LANGUAGE="AM" regards, -- /\_/\ A feature is a bug with seniority. (~o o~) )'Y'( __ ( ) / Jacek WojaczynskiThe Bat! 1.53d under Windows 95 \ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Changing sender's initials in replies
I have some correspondents who use their initials in their e-mail addresses, like this: "SC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. When I reply to this, the reply starts out, "Hi SC,". Is there anyway I can set TB to recognize a particular address, and get the reply in that case to begin, "Hi Stephane,"? Best, Yuki mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Changing sender's initials in replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Yuki, On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:00:29 +0900, you wrote these comments: ... YT> I have some correspondents who use their initials in their e-mail YT> addresses, like this: "SC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. When I reply to YT> this, the reply starts out, "Hi SC,". Is there anyway I can set TB YT> to recognize a particular address, and get the reply in that case to YT> begin, "Hi Stephane,"? Yes. Use the following macro: %ABofromFIRSTNAME="%OFROMFNAME" If the recipient is in the address book, then the address book name will be used. If you wish to use the nickname first then use this: %ABofromHANDLE="%ABofromFIRSTNAME='%OFROMFNAME'" - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjuVYLsACgkQV8nrYCsHF+I9RgCg1373cFVCcc7MbLpzyreYQPe+ bGwAoJGeEHEpmAE4ir0REkF76rR8h+jQ =tMtD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Changing sender's initials in replies
Hello Yuki, Historians believe that Wednesday, September 5, 2001 at 08:00 GMT +0900 was when, Yuki Taga [YT] typed the following: YT> I have some correspondents who use their initials in their e-mail YT> addresses, like this: "SC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. When I reply to YT> this, the reply starts out, "Hi SC,". Is there anyway I can set TB YT> to recognize a particular address, and get the reply in that case to YT> begin, "Hi Stephane,"? Yes, there are two methods you can use. Both require you to create an Address Book entry for the person in question. The first method, you change your reply template so that the macro %OFROMFNAME is replaced with %ABofromFNAME="%OFROMFNAME" The %AB macros compare an email address to the entries in your address book. It will then extract the requested information from that entry. So in this example, you're looking at the Original FROM address and extracting the First NAME. If there is no matching entry, then the part in quotes is used. In this case, we want the first name as declared in the message you're responding to. The other method is to create an address book template for the AB entry in question. This way you can create further customization for that individual. This can get tedious if you have a large number of people with similar templates. You can avoid the tedium if you use quick templates. Then the AB templates can be simplified to simply including (%QINCLUDE) the quick template you want. Either way, I highly recommend that you do as much of your template work as you can in Quick templates. If you plan it correctly, you can reuse useful and/or complicated pieces without the risk of copying errors. It makes maintenance much simpler. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A All science is either physics or stamp collecting. -- E. Rutherford -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Images in HTML emails?
Hello all: I am a newbie here. Sorry if this has been covered. I'm not a very "hardcore" user yet. I have been using Outlook Express for years, but I love the advanced features that TB offers! How can I switch the settings so that images in the HTML emails *ARE* displayed? I know that this is undesirable to some people, but I use images in emails to help me remember the content of the message. For me it is just a mental trigger. Thanks! -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
How to make GLOBAL changes?
Hello all: Another question for you... I would like to change the "From" "To" "Subject" "Received" "Created" "Size" bar in the inbox. I would like the bar to include only a few of the columns. It's easy enough to change the settings for each folder individually, but how can I make a change that will apply to ALL the folders simultaneously? Thanks! -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
How to MOVE folders?
Hello all: I would like to move my "The Bat" folder from the default folder into another sub-folder. How is this done? Thanks! -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Images in HTML emails?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 to the moderators: I sent this the first time with the wrong account selected. there is no need to allow that one through to the list as there is no other information! apologies, i'll go to bed now. M. Op woensdag 5 september 2001 schreef Jason Palmgren: > I am a newbie here. Sorry if this has been covered. very recently... however, as many replies probably will tell you: > How can I switch the settings so that images in the HTML emails > *ARE* displayed? as long as the images aren't sent along with the email, there is no option available to make the images visible. thabat! will not, ever, fetch images mentioned in an HTML tag from a server with http. trust me, that is a very big PLUS for your privacy. > I know that this is undesirable to some people, but I use images in > emails to help me remember the content of the message. For me it is > just a mental trigger. have you found the memo-view (ctrl-shift-i) already? it's like a little post-it! you can attach to emails.. it takes a bit getting used to, but i find it very handy. an useful tip i don't remember who came from: set the width of the memo-column to 6, and make sure you enter a '!' as the first character of every memo. you can choose columns in the message-list by right-clicking on the column-headers there (i must be off to bed now, i'm not able to construct semantically correct english anymore :). have a good time! Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5VdMcxmXGfKa+lHEQJjWwCfVDP4bgHxnJNlrE+Ui17lrlIKLHEAn2uf 0ocSELT5k2ZWvlsqKTD4x0Mi =hF+E -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Changing sender's initials in replies
Hello Yuki, Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 4:00:29 PM, you wrote: YT> Is there anyway I can set TB YT> to recognize a particular address, and get the reply in that case to YT> begin, "Hi Stephane,"? -- Yes there is. By using the %AbnnnPPP macro in your template. It will insert a field from the address book. The "nnn" part determines the address that is used to retrieve information from the address book, the "PPP" part is the name of the address book field to be used. There is good documentation in help. -- Best regards, -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: How to MOVE folders?
Hello Jason, Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 4:49:52 PM, you wrote: JP> I would like to move my "The Bat" folder from the default folder into JP> another sub-folder. How is this done? -- + Drag... -- Best regards, Peter -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Images in HTML emails?
Hello mrten-dop, Tuesday, September 04, 2001, 5:01:04 PM, you wrote: md> have you found the memo-view (ctrl-shift-i) already? it's like a md> little post-it! you can attach to emails.. it takes a bit getting used md> to, but i find it very handy. -- Would you mind elaborating on its usefulness?? It seems interesting. -- Best regards, Peter -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: How to MOVE folders?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op woensdag 5 september 2001 schreef Jason Palmgren: > I would like to move my "The Bat" folder from the default folder > into another sub-folder. How is this done? to change the order in which the folders (inbox, outbox, sent) are presented to you: press 'alt', then drag the folder. if you meant to move the directory where the mail is kept for one account: under 'account properties' (ctrl-shift-p), files & directories, there is a possibility to change the directory for the account. the default for this is set in the general preferences (options, preferences, system). general suggestion: you should try to navigate through all menus at least once. it's like getting to know a new house, with all the cracks and cravices that are there. thebat! really has a LOAD of features that you will never explore otherwise. you'll remember more of them if you find the features yourself! Mrten. ps. really, i'll go to bed now. have to remove that cat from my bed though. hmmm... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5VglcxmXGfKa+lHEQI42wCg5siXIfTNAIfsIhuzzKk8jnTqD9oAoMTq vSazcW+hs8h9SZs6Ver9V1pI =2Yu7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Images in HTML emails?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op woensdag 5 september 2001 schreef Jason Palmgren: > I am a newbie here. Sorry if this has been covered. very recently, however, as many replies probably will tell you: > How can I switch the settings so that images in the HTML emails > *ARE* displayed? as long as the images aren't sent along with the email, there is no option available to make the images visible. thabat! will not, ever, fetch images mentioned in an HTML tag from a server. trust me, that is a very big PLUS for your privacy. > I know that this is undesirable to some people, but I use images in > emails to help me remember the content of the message. For me it is > just a mental trigger. have you found the memo-view (ctrl-shift-i) already? it's like a little post-it! you can attach to emails.. it takes a bit getting used to, but i find it very handy. an useful tip i don't remember who came from: set the width of the memo-column to 6, and make sure you enter a '!' as the first character of every memo. you can choose columns in the message-list by right-clicking on the column-headers there (i must be off to bed now, i'm not able to construct semantically correct english anymore :). have a good time! Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBO5VbmcxmXGfKa+lHEQJoHQCfcAcKd4fBoXFnfaPgi3XGHrjhKlMAn1yH wSJtsSpngq36ozqp0QSJCwB+ =0glX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: How to MOVE folders?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jason, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:49:52 -0500, you thoughtfully wrote the following: ... JP> I would like to move my "The Bat" folder from the default folder into JP> another sub-folder. How is this done? Hold down CTRL+Alt while doing a drag and drop operation with the folder. - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjuVcKwACgkQV8nrYCsHF+IwyQCg7IeA7YQ2jxpMQXKI+8ykExxF dsIAnjEB99SxJd4Lwfd36oHXtllySdXP =iwav -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Images in HTML emails?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi mrten-dop, On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:01:04 +0200, you wrote these words of wisdom: ... md> to the moderators: I sent this the first time with the wrong md> account selected. there is no need to allow that one through to md> the list as there is no other information! apologies, i'll go to md> bed now. M. The list is now improved in that messages not sent using a subscribed e-mail address is sent to us for inspection so that we can approve or delete it. If you've discovered that you sent the message using the wrong account, I suggest not reposting but just waiting for a while. One of us will see it and approve of it within reasonable time. As you can see, we tend to approve fairly quickly since I approved your message before seeing this message from you. :-) I don't wish for the feature to lead to a lot of double postings. - -- ©Allie C Martin List Moderator (and fellow end-user) PGP public key: http://pgpkey.ac-martin.com __ MUA: The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 [OS: Windows 2000 Service Pack 2] _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: Sealed for security. iEYEARECAAYFAjuVcgYACgkQV8nrYCsHF+IQvACgiNZbNYtvIgV0s0h73Sagrwx9 6KYAnj2u9QCTuDYEuQaqojR2eoyBAhSR =9hOy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Images in HTML emails?
Wednesday, September 05, 2001, 11:54:12 AM, Mrten wrote: M> have you found the memo-view (ctrl-shift-i) already? it's like a M> little post-it! you can attach to emails.. it takes a bit getting used M> to, but i find it very handy. M> an useful tip i don't remember who came from: set the width of the M> memo-column to 6, and make sure you enter a '!' as the first character M> of every memo. M> Mrten. Well, I learn something new everyday here! I have *never* heard of the memo-view. What a useful little tool. Where can i find more info? -- Carren For PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGPkey -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Why no HTML
There is a way that one can also use to track an email - when was it read, who read it, from what IP was it read. As an application simply append confirm.to to any email address, e.g [EMAIL PROTECTED] This will track the email, assuming the reader uses an HTML client that downloads the images from internet. The mechanism by which the tracking is accomplished is quite simple. When you send the email with "confirm.to" appended to the email address the message actually gets routed thru the domain "confirm.to" where a .gif image is inserted into the email. The image is actually a reference to an URL that tracks the message. So if the intended recipient forwards it to someone else and this someone else reads it with an HTML client, then you will know about it - when it was read, by whom, and from what IP. The obvious counter to this is to not use an HTML mail reader that pulls from the internet at real time. I hope this makes sense. If not, just try it and see what happens. -- Best regards, Peter -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Images in HTML emails?
mrten-dop: In response to your message dated: Tuesday, September 04, 2001... > have you found the memo-view (ctrl-shift-i) already? it's like a > little post-it! you can attach to emails.. it takes a bit getting used > to, but i find it very handy. I'm a bit confused. When I try to use the (ctrl-shift-i) command nothing happens. Am I missing something? Sounds like a cool feature, but I'm having no luck with it...? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[3]: Images in HTML emails?
Wednesday, September 05, 2001, 1:03:44 PM, Jason wrote: JP> mrten-dop: JP> In response to your message dated: Tuesday, September 04, 2001... >> have you found the memo-view (ctrl-shift-i) already? it's like a >> little post-it! you can attach to emails.. it takes a bit getting used >> to, but i find it very handy. JP> I'm a bit confused. When I try to use the (ctrl-shift-i) command JP> nothing happens. Am I missing something? Sounds like a cool feature, JP> but I'm having no luck with it...? Hold down Ctrl and Shift, then push "i". A little memo box will pop up. Took *me* a while to get it too! -- Carren For PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGPkey -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[4]: Images in HTML emails?
Carren: In response to your message dated: Tuesday, September 04, 2001... > Hold down Ctrl and Shift, then push "i". A little memo box will pop > up. Took *me* a while to get it too! Yep. That's *EXACTLY* what I am doing...but no luck. No memo window. Oh well. Not important, I guess. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: How to make GLOBAL changes?
Hello Jason, Historians believe that Tuesday, September 4, 2001 at 18:45 GMT -0500 was when, Jason Palmgren [JP] typed the following: JP> Another question for you... I would like to change the "From" "To" JP> "Subject" "Received" "Created" "Size" bar in the inbox. I would like JP> the bar to include only a few of the columns. It's easy enough to JP> change the settings for each folder individually, but how can I make JP> a change that will apply to ALL the folders simultaneously? You can only do it on a per-account basis, but that's better than per-folder. The way to do it is to go into the folder properties and select "Use Account Default column settings". You will have to do this step for every folder, one by one. Once that's done, changing the columns in any one folder will change them for all of the accounts folders. Oh, and while you're at it. You should check out the other folder options at the same time. I personally recommend that you enable "Compress on exit" for all folders. If not all, it is recommended for high volume folders like your inbox and outbox. See some of the recent threads for reasons why. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Despite these words, this page is blank. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Images in HTML emails?
Hi Mrten, On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:54:12 +0200GMT (05/09/2001, 07:54 +0800GMT), Mrten wrote: M> an useful tip i don't remember who came from: set the width of the M> memo-column to 6, and make sure you enter a '!' as the first character M> of every memo. Why the "!" ? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53o under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Images in HTML emails?
Hi Jason, On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:38:03 -0500GMT (05/09/2001, 07:38 +0800GMT), Jason Palmgren wrote: JP> How can I switch the settings so that images in the HTML emails JP> *ARE* displayed? Mrten's reply was a bit confusing. Images *in* the HTML emails are of course displayed. The images that are sent as attachments, that is. Only images that are *not* in the email, i.e. not attached will not be displayed. And this will not be changed. The reason is, many TB users know a thing or two about programming and/or security. If TB ever allows downloading images from the internet because of a GET command or the like, TB will lose 90% of its customer base (including myself). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53o under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Calendar & To Do program with the Bat?
On Tuesday, September 04, 2001, Nick Andriash wrote: > Not that I am aware of, but I've been desperately searching for one > and am just about to purchase Office 2K so I can use Outlook 2K for > that very purpose. Does Outlook integrate with TB? If not, there are still a few non-MS PIM's around that do as much as or more than Outlook without the overhead. Before MCS Dallas shut down development of Calypso, they had worked a deal with Time & Chaos for integration. Nice touch. Perhaps RIT Labs could strike up a similar deal with them or someone. -- PFord The Bat! 1.53d (reg) Windows 98 4.10 Build -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re: Senders Initials
Hello Haye, Historians believe that Wednesday, September 5, 2001 at 10:47 GMT +0700 was when, Haye [H] typed the following: JA>> 1. Initials QT JA>> %SETPATTREGEXP="(?is)(\w).*?([-_=@\.\s]+(\w).*?)?([-_=@\.\s]+(\w).*?)?$"%- JA>> %REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%QINCLUDE=""Full Name"""%- H> H> I was try you macro but I not found senders initials H> I want to get sender initials ( in [] ), Here is a step-by-step guide for getting this to work. 1. Create three quick templates (Options -> Quick Templates) a) Name the first one: "Initials" second:"Full Name" third: "Full Name - No AB entry" b) Make them all available to all accounts (this is optional, but you might as well). c) Paste in the lines I gave you in the previous message. 2. Once you've done that, you can check to see if they are working by replying to a message, then in the editor type Initials followed by . If the initials of the person you're replying to appear, then you know it worked. 3. Now, in the template where you want to insert initials, put the following: %QINCLUDE="Full Name" [%QINCLUDE="Initials"] 4. Reply to a message and enjoy! -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/7 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A I have an imaginary friend who refuses to play with me. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Re[2]: Senders Initials
Wednesday, September 05, 2001, 11:23:15 AM, Januk Aggarwal [JA] wrote: JA>second:"Full Name" JA>third: "Full Name - No AB entry" JA>b) Make them all available to all accounts (this is optional, but JA> you might as well). JA>c) Paste in the lines I gave you in the previous message. successful !!! Thanks very much Januk for your help :) -- Haye -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
Automatically Archiving into subdirs
Hello The Bat! ML, Hi, I have several ML Directorys. Most of them are >10.000 mails. although loading is very quick, I'd like to split them, in monthly subdirs (eg thebat-2001-09, etc ...). are there anyways to do this automatically via "The Bat"? Or do I have to do it manualla ? Best regards, Clemens written with TheBat! 1.53bis on Windows 98, 4 10 Build A on Wednesday, September 05, 2001 at 9:10:12 AM -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d
