Re: Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)
Hello MAU, Sunday, October 7, 2012, 10:18:31 PM, you wrote: > Hello Adrian, >>> Are you by any chance keeping your attachments in a separate directory? >>> See Account/Properties/Files & directories. >> >> No. "Keep attachment files in message body" > Well, sorry but I can't think of anything else for the moment. I think I've cracked it. Specials/Alternative Forward Shift+Alt+F5 looks as if will do the job. -- Best regards, Adrianmailto:adr...@morant.co.uk Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)
Hello MAU, Sunday, October 7, 2012, 6:02:43 PM, you wrote: > Are you by any chance keeping your attachments in a separate directory? > See Account/Properties/Files & directories. No. "Keep attachment files in message body" -- Best regards, Adrianmailto:adr...@morant.co.uk Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)
Hello Thomas, Sunday, October 7, 2012, 11:52:13 AM, you wrote: > Not sure what you are doing differently from me. With the message sender, recipient, subject highlighted: Either Message/Forward or shift-F5 -- Best regards, Adrianmailto:adr...@morant.co.uk Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Forwarding a message complete with attachment(s)
Hello Tbudl, Is there a way to forward a message complete with its attachment(s) -- Best regards, Adrian mailto:adr...@morant.co.uk Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unread/read/replied to/etc
Hello MFPA, Thursday, March 15, 2012, 8:01:35 PM, you wrote: > Hi > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 at 10:06:06 AM, in > , Adrian J Morant wrote: >> Hello TBUDL, >> On some of my folders I have the marker to indicate >> whether an individual message is unread/read/replied >> to/forwarded etc. >> I know it is probably simple but I cannot find out >> how to reinstate this where it is missing. Will >> someone point me in the right direction. > Right-click one of the column headers in the folder, select "Message > list columns" and tick "Message Flags." Isn't it easy -- when you know. Thanks for sorting me out. -- Best regards, Adrianmailto:adr...@morant.co.uk Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unread/read/replied to/etc
Hello TBUDL, On some of my folders I have the marker to indicate whether an individual message is unread/read/replied to/forwarded etc. I know it is probably simple but I cannot find out how to reinstate this where it is missing. Will someone point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance. -- Best regards, Adrian mailto:adr...@morant.co.uk Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"
As it turns out, the question is all moot. I'm going to be switching to a new, better provider tomorrow, and I've also begun migrating to Thunderbird (and did get some help with connecting that from my host). Not just because of this glitch -- I had other concerns and "broken" stuff in The Bat and this just kind of tipped me into finally switching to TB. Sorry, but it's just not intuitive for me, and I'm usually pretty comfortable with adjusting software settings. Just couldn't afford the time to tinker and troubleshoot anymore. Thanks for all of your help and info, I really do appreciate it. Best wishes to everyone. AJS Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"
>>> "Message has not been sent. Server reply: >>> No such user here." M> In this example, is "" the address you are sending M> the message to or from? Sorry, I see that I missed this question. This is the address that I am sending TO. It is always a valid address, and when I send via my webmail, it goes through just fine, I get a reply from the person, etc. -- Amy Schneider v4.2.42 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"
> Maybe the new owner of the ISP has a different policy about relaying > email, or about what settings are required (port numbers, > authentication, etc.) - is there any help with email settings on their > customer website? Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but this is not the ISP's e-mail. As far as I know, I have never even had an e-mail address with them. This is a cellular broadband service provider. My Internet is provided via a USB data stick. The e-mail I am trying to send in via my permanent e-mail account on my own domain, featherschneider.com, which I own. The server is operated my my web hosting company, not my ISP. And my webmail (again, via my hosting company, not the ISP) works just fine. I truly don't understand how the cellular company could affect my e-mail account. If you could explain it in "for dummies" language, that would be great. In any case, there is no support at this time. Their Web site has only a support form and they are not answering calls or e-mails or returning messages. Thousands of people have nonworking phones and/or no Internet access. It's a huge mess. You can see for yourself by Googling "Element Mobile" or visiting their web site. They have no clue what's going on. -- Amy Schneider Using The Bat! v4.2.42 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3) Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
re: Re[2]: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"
> maybe they could change setting of server, try to open account properties, > section Transport, hit Authentication of SMTP server button and change > setting there, if it helps. Not sure which one you mean. I tried checking/unchecking both checkboxes, top and bottom, all permutations. Tried "Use specific settings" and entered my exact same e-mail password. Didn't try "Require secure authentication," but if regular authentication isn't working, I don't see how this could help. Still getting the same error. -- Amy Schneider Using The Bat! v4.2.42 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3) Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"
> > Suddenly The Bat won't allow me to send e-mail. No matter what (valid) > > address I select from my address book, when I try to send I get this > > error: > > > "Message has not been sent. Server reply: No such > > user here." > > > I just downloaded the most recent version and no problem. Any advice? > > did You changed anything in authentication setting in account? > > or did not changed something your SMTP server provider? did You asked > administrator of server to help You with this? > > I had same problem with Outlook in past too, so I do not expect, this is > related directly to The Bat!, but to configuration on client or server. The only change that has occurred is this (And I just realized that the first problem message came after this happened): My broadband cellular Internet provider changed hands Saturday morning at midnight, and at that point about 80,000 cell phone/Internet customers lost service. My data stick stopped working, and I got a loaner on Sunday afternoon. A tech did come here to set it up, but to the best of my knowledge he did not mess with my e-mail settings; I was present while he worked, and he never asked me for e-mail settings. (I own my own domain, featherschneider.com.) Customer service is still not available (hence 80,000 unhappy customers), so I can't go there for help. I have, however, gotten out of my contract and will keep this loaner card on the old network until I can sign up with a new provider on Friday. Perhaps I should wait until that conversion is complete and see if the problem remains. However, the webmail on my domain works just fine. And The Bat receives mail normally. -- Amy Schneider Using The Bat! v4.2.42 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3) Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Can't send e-mail: error message of "Server says no such user"
Greetings -- Suddenly The Bat won't allow me to send e-mail. No matter what (valid) address I select from my address book, when I try to send I get this error: "Message has not been sent. Server reply: No such user here." I just downloaded the most recent version and no problem. Any advice? (I hope I've formatted this message correctly. Last time I asked for help I got thumped for not formatting the message just so. Thus I have been reluctant to ask for help. But this new glitch makes the program all but unusable. I have been thinking about switching to Thunderbird.) -- Amy Schneider Using The Bat! v4.2.42 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3) Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New to The Bat!: Questions I can't find answers to
Greetings, all -- Longtime Eudora user here who had Eudora crash on her one too many times and finally decided to take the leap to a new client that's still being supported. I've spent some time playing with settings and got a lot of my issues tamed. But I still have a few outstanding. Can you help, or point me to where to look? (using The Bat! v.4.2.12.4 on Win XP SP 3) (1) Is there any way to replicate the Eudora method of having double-clicked messages open in the same pane as the message list (that is, not a separate window)? I don't like using the preview pane because of spam avoidance (both HTML bugs and just having to see the stupid things at all), but those extra taskbar buttons for each message really take up a lot of space. (2) Speaking of spam . . . am I really stuck with having to purchase an extra plug-in in order to get the same junk filtering that Eudora provided as part of the package? (Or are there freebies that I'm not seeing?) (3) I'm also strongly used to keeping messages in ascending order, and Eudora would always open a message list with the last (newest) message visible at the bottom. The Bat! is making me scroll down every time, and I can't figure out how to change this. Am I doomed to force myself to get used to using descending order (which I hate as much as top posting)? I think that's all for now. Thanks much for any light you can shed. Regards, Amy J. Schneider a...@featherschneider.com who hasn't had time to set up sig templates yet Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Vista... moving data
Hello Jernej, Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 1:42:04 PM, you wrote: > On Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 21:27:00, PJohnson wrote: >> I have my new computer with Vista running, and TB (pro v3) on an >> external HD, and wonder how to access all my TB files and folders. V3 >> doesn't run under Vista and I have downloaded a trial copy of V4 pro. >> I suspect I did all this ass-backwards. :) Help? > AFAIK, v3 should run just fine on Vista - install it, copy the mail > folder to your user profile, then when TB starts, tell it to use the > folder you copied (be careful that you don't copy the folder to an > area it can't access, which includes Program Files). > Also, up to V4.10 (IIRC) should work with v3 registration keys. I tried to run V3 from my external HD and it would not run... Vista said it was not compatible. I would be content just to extract the data-- the emails. Is there any way to do that? Thanks! -- Pat Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Wishlist for TB to work better with Antspam Sniper plugin
Hello Tbudl, While fine tuning my Antispam Sniper plugin, I sent an e-mail to ask about whether the plugin could work the same way it does with most other e-mail clients. i.e. moving Not Junk back to where it was going before it was intercepted by the filter, as soon as it is so marked. Now I know Ritlabs are not obliged to make their program accommodate a plugin, but does anyone in the list this could actually make it to future versions of TB? My dialog with Antispam Sniper follows: ASS>...The plug-in actually cannot move the messages in TheBat folders, ASS>because TheBat doesn't provide access to the folders and messages to ASS>the plug-ins. The described feature is already implemented in ASS>AntispamSniper for Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows Mail. But it is ASS>not possible to make it work in TheBat, because it moves the messages ASS>by itself. If this is something for future releases of The Bat, I am posting this message to TB User's Discussion List. If I get any useful responses from TBUDL, I will send them on. Best Regards, -- Michael J. Sharp B. Bus. (Marketing), C.N.E. cdisxm at thebat dot net Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20.2 14 POP accounts and OFTE disabled AntispamSniper Professional v2.7.1.7 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Psst! We are using the fastest browser on the planet: Opera v9.2.7 Virus and Antispyware: VIPRE 3.1.2068 (Beta) Firewall: Sunbelt SPF v4.5.916.0 ___ See www.technismart.com General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: How to streamline and automate TB?
Hello Dan, >> keep better track of your accounts and what they are for DL> I only have 3 active accounts, and to me the above is the secret. Unfortunately I have so many projects to keep track of. I appreciate your input and simple would be the best way. I will rationalize the accounts. Dwight's suggestion of using IMAP for all the POP accounts with Fastmail.fm appeals to me. Does that mean I would delete the messages from my mail server and store them on Fastmail and look at them from TB online? What are the pros and cons of IMAP vs POP? I tried it with TB 4.0.16 and it just hung waiting to connect. Are the IMAP issues resolved with the current beta version of TB? Thanks, it's a great group and I am learning so much from you all. -- Michael J. Sharp B. Bus. (Marketing), C.N.E. cdisxm at thebat dot net Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20.2 14 POP accounts and OFTE disabled AntispamSniper Professional v2.7.1.7 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Psst! We are using the fastest browser on the planet: Opera v9.2.7 Virus and Antispyware: VIPRE 3.1.2040 (Beta) Firewall: Sunbelt SPF v4.5.916.0 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 ___ See TechniSMart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to streamline and automate TB?
Dear Dwight, All good advice. DC> use common folders I am not sure I understand the concept of common folders, could you expand a bit. DC> get an IMAP account, and set it up to collect all your pop mail Could you suggest a free IMAP provider to test it out with TB? Last time I tried it was pretty flaky. Cheers! -- Michael J. Sharp B. Bus. (Marketing), C.N.E. cdisxm at thebat dot net Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20.2 14 POP accounts and OFTE disabled AntispamSniper Professional v2.7.1.7 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Psst! We are using the fastest browser on the planet: Opera v9.2.7 Virus and Antispyware: VIPRE 3.1.2040 (Beta) Firewall: Sunbelt SPF v4.5.916.0 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 ___ See TechniSMart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Password for secondary account
LSB> On Thursday, April 10, 2008, 6:56:30 AM, you LSB> (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote: >>>> Your cutsign doesn't work as intended. It appears to miss a trailing >>>> space. LSB>>> Sorry about that. I do not understand why this fails, repeatedly, over LSB>>> time. LSB>> Perhaps others have had a similar problem and may have a suggestion. Hello Leonard, Well until you just mentioned it I though I was losing it. A while ago someone in the group said my sigdash was not working, but I checked the template and it looked fine, but it still would not work. So I just copied and pasted it from a working template and changed the details. It worked but still does not explain why a sigdash would stop working. So yes, I have noticed the same problem, only once or twice. Nice to know I'm not going crazy. Cheers! -- Michael J. Sharp B. Bus. (Marketing), C.N.E. cdisxm at thebat dot net Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20.2 14 POP accounts and OFTE disabled AntispamSniper Professional v2.7.1.7 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Psst! We are using the fastest browser on the planet: Opera v9.2.7 Virus and Antispyware: VIPRE 3.1.2040 (Beta) Firewall: Sunbelt SPF v4.5.916.0 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 ___ See TechniSMart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to streamline and automate TB?
Hello Thomas, On Wednesday, April 9, 2008, 9:25:07 PM, you wrote: TF> Right-click on the columns of the message list, find the entry TF> "Message list columns" and click on it. Over here, I added Folder a TF> long time ago, because I also want to see in which foldeer a found TF> message is. Worked great, thanks. Now to streamline TB. Cheers! -- Michael J. Sharp B. Bus. (Marketing), C.N.E. cdisxm at thebat dot net Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20.2 14 POP accounts and OFTE disabled AntispamSniper Professional v2.7.1.7 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Psst! We are using the fastest browser on the planet: Opera v9.2.7 Virus and Antispyware: VIPRE 3.1.2040 (Beta) Firewall: Sunbelt SPF v4.5.916.0 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 ___ See TechniSMart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to streamline and automate TB?
Hello Tbudl, As you can see I have now 14, soon 15 email POP addresses. They are really there so the user can send me an e-mail from various web sites, so they see a different identity, but as you can probably guess they all finish up for me to deal with. The problem is now I have so many (13,000+ after pruning) I can never remember which mail box I am using for what types of messages, so each time I want to find anything I have to use Message Finder (F7) and search all folders. Of course Message Finder does not show you which folder it found the particular message in once I scroll through 100s of them looking for the one I want. Now I am spending more time trying to find things I know are there, than any other computer activity. Maybe there is some way to display the folder it is in when searching but I could not see it under view or anywhere else. Can this knowledgeable group please suggest concrete steps to take to resolve this unholy mess? I asked a while ago for a tutorial and someone suggested the help pages, but what I want is a systematic way to as close as possible, automate TB message handling. I want all this e-mail to go into it's various folders. e.g. Support Ticket Request system. I don't want to use one of these free php trouble ticket systems, because I want everything under TB. The main reason I went to TB in the first place was because of its ability to handle multiple POPs, and powerful costomizability and features, and it is so good at its job. Ultimately my goal is to have TB handle most incoming support e-mails with canned responses automatically, but it seems quite a task to set up apart from just establishing some filters. Has anyone ever considered writing a book or booklet showing a business person how to maximize their benefit by using all these fancy tools TB has to offer? They are so powerful but I am afraid I feel I have only scratched the surface on getting the most out of TB. This site http://www.freeemailtutorials.com/theBat/ says they are writing one but its not yet ready. Of course I got some help from: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/howdoi.html but I am no programmer, nor do I have the time. I really like TB and I really want to find out how to run an on-line business, but it's pretty easy to get overwhelmed by TB's features unless you are e-mail guru (which I am not). I tried to understand the tutorial on RegEx, and I am trying to understand this tutorial from Silverstones.com. It would behoove me to solicit commercial assistance from this group, but I really want to work towards setting up a mailing campaign (not SPAMming), which will allow my fledgling company to grow. Upon googling for TB forums I come back to these same groups. Can someone please point me to other TB discussion groups etc. Cheers! -- Michael J. Sharp B. Bus. (Marketing), C.N.E. cdisxm at thebat dot net Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20.2 14 POP accounts and OFTE disabled AntispamSniper Professional v2.7.1.7 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Psst! We are using the fastest browser on the planet: Opera v9.2.7 Virus and Antispyware: VIPRE 3.1.2068 (Beta) Firewall: Sunbelt SPF v4.5.916.0 ___ See www.technismart.com General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How to point TB to by Opera browser?
Hello Martin, Yes it worked fine, thanks! -- Michael J. Sharp B. Bus. (Marketing), C.N.E. cdisxm at thebat dot net Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20.1 14 POP accounts and OFTE disabled AntispamSniper Professional v2.7.1.7 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Psst! We are using the fastest browser on the planet: Opera v9.2.7 Virus and Antispyware: VIPRE 3.1.2040 (Beta) Firewall: Sunbelt SPF v4.5.916.0 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 ___ See TechniSMart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Templates - where are they stored
LSB> On Monday, April 7, 2008, 6:54:07 PM, you LSB> (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote: >>> account.cfn - account and folder templates, save message template >>> account.qtn - quick templates >>> print.ini - print template >>> avconfig.ini - template for message about found virus >> excellent - thank you. LSB> I realize that this thread started because someone (was it Tom?) LSB> wanted to back them up. Has anyone tried to open these files, just to LSB> have a peek? If so, with which program? I do realize that this LSB> practice will be hazardous. LSB> Leonard Hi Leonard, I was tempted to customize the message in avconfig.ini but it seems to have a fixed number of words allowed. Has anyone successfully changed it, or am I also on thin ice? Cheers! Michael Hello Leonard, On Monday, April 7, 2008, 7:03:19 PM, you wrote: LSB> On Monday, April 7, 2008, 6:54:07 PM, you LSB> (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote: >>> account.cfn - account and folder templates, save message template >>> account.qtn - quick templates >>> print.ini - print template >>> avconfig.ini - template for message about found virus >> excellent - thank you. LSB> I realize that this thread started because someone (was it Tom?) LSB> wanted to back them up. Has anyone tried to open these files, just to LSB> have a peek? If so, with which program? I do realize that this LSB> practice will be hazardous. LSB> Leonard -- Michael J. Sharp B. Bus. (Marketing), C.N.E. cdisxm at thebat dot net Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20.1 14 POP accounts and OFTE disabled AntispamSniper Professional v2.7.1.7 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Psst! We are using the fastest browser on the planet: Opera v9.2.7 Virus and Antispyware: VIPRE 3.1.2040 (Beta) Firewall: Sunbelt SPF v4.5.916.0 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 ___ See TechniSMart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB not opening urls in Opera
LSB> Michael on Monday, April 7, 2008, 6:29:50 PM, you LSB> (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote: >> It's got to be an Opera problem because it worked fine before, but >> can I tell TB where to find the browser? LSB> I think that The Bat finds and opens whatever is your default LSB> browser. This link may help you. I found it in Opera Help by using LSB> the word "default" in a search: LSB> http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/802/ LSB> Leonard LSB> P. S. This message of yours did not go into the Junk folder. Hooray! Thank you Leonard... it worked! I never thought of searching "default" Michael Hello Leonard, On Monday, April 7, 2008, 6:36:32 PM, you wrote: LSB> Michael on Monday, April 7, 2008, 6:29:50 PM, you LSB> (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote: >> It's got to be an Opera problem because it worked fine before, but >> can I tell TB where to find the browser? LSB> I think that The Bat finds and opens whatever is your default LSB> browser. This link may help you. I found it in Opera Help by using LSB> the word "default" in a search: LSB> http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/802/ LSB> Leonard LSB> P. S. This message of yours did not go into the Junk folder. Hooray! -- Michael J. Sharp B. Bus. (Marketing), C.N.E. cdisxm at thebat dot net Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20.1 14 POP accounts and OFTE disabled AntispamSniper Professional v2.7.1.7 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Psst! We are using the fastest browser on the planet: Opera v9.2.7 Virus and Antispyware: VIPRE 3.1.2040 (Beta) Firewall: Sunbelt SPF v4.5.916.0 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 ___ See TechniSMart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB not opening urls in Opera
Hello Tbudl, Further to my previous post about Opera... I just clicked on the link for the 40202 beta and that finds Opera and downloads the file just fine. Now I am not for one moment claiming my problem is due to TB. It's got to be an Opera problem because it worked fine before, but can I tell TB where to find the browser? Best Regards, -- Michael J. Sharp B. Bus. (Marketing), C.N.E. cdisxm at thebat dot net Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20.1 14 POP accounts and OFTE disabled AntispamSniper Professional v2.7.1.7 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Psst! We are using the fastest browser on the planet: Opera v9.2.7 Virus and Antispyware: VIPRE 3.1.2068 (Beta) Firewall: Sunbelt SPF v4.5.916.0 ___ See www.technismart.com General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to point TB to by Opera browser?
Hello Tbudl, I recently installed Opera 9.5 Beta as my browser just to preview, and then uninstalled it. Now I am running Opera v9.27 Stable Release and it runs s fast! But now when I try to open any url in a message I get a grey error box that it cannot find the specified file pointing to the old location where Opera 9.5 used to be. Where do I add the path and application of my browser in TB? I really can't see anywhere to change this in TB. Thanks in advance Best Regards, -- Michael J. Sharp B. Bus. (Marketing), C.N.E. cdisxm at thebat dot net Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20.1 14 POP accounts and OFTE disabled AntispamSniper Professional v2.7.1.7 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Psst! We are using the fastest browser on the planet: Opera v9.2.7 Virus and Antispyware: VIPRE 3.1.2068 (Beta) Firewall: Sunbelt SPF v4.5.916.0 ___ See www.technismart.com General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
REading confirmation working?
Hello Tbudl list, I just tried sending an e-mail to one of my other address with confirmation receipt checked and red confirmation. Neither of them work. Any ideas please? -- Michael J. Sharp B. Bus. (Marketing), C.N.E. cdisxm at thebat dot net Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20 14 POP accounts and OFTE disabled AntispamSniper Professional v2.7.1.7 OS: Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Using the fastest browser on the planet: Opera 9.2.6 Virus and Antispyware: VIPRE 3.1.2040 (Beta) Firewalled by: Sunbelt SPF v4 ___ See www.technismart.com General Inquiries: Tel : 581-5151 - Int'l +599 581-5151 Tel : (Local French Side) 06.90.10.02.95 - Int'l: +590690100295 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Getting AVs?
LSB> On Sunday, March 30, 2008, 11:59:31 PM, you LSB> (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote: >> Using the world's best e-mail client: >> The Bat! Pro v4.0.20 with AntispamSniper Pro v2.7.1.7 >> on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 >> 13 POP3 accounts. Using the fastest browser: Opera 9.2.6 LSB> Michael, LSB> Interestingly enough this message of yours went to Junk even though LSB> your address was in the list of recognized posters. Any idea why? Hello Leonard, Fascinating! No, weird actually. I have no idea. I only have a pretty standard sig and the account setting are the usual. It raises 2 questions in my mind: Am I the only list member's post going to Junk? Are any other list members experiencing this with my posts? Cheers! -- Michael J. Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20 with AntispamSniper Pro v2.7.1.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 13 POP3 accounts. Using the fastest browser: Opera 9.2.6 ___ www.TechniSmart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Getting AVs?
Hi list members, I got one AV "the bat.exe" so far. I just shut down TB and it is fine again. Funny thing, it did not log the crash. Can anyone confirm? -- Michael J. Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.20 with AntispamSniper Pro v2.7.1.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 13 POP3 accounts. Using the fastest browser: Opera 9.2.6 ___ www.TechniSmart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
AS> Guten Morgen, >>> Avram spoke of going to v4. It would probably not be wise to do this >>> while using IMAP. DAC>> don't see why not. works fine for me. AS> Congratulations. Dear DAC, I am so glad to hear you have IMAP working. I am presently using it with another e-mail client just for that support. Obviouslt it makes more sense to have it all working under TB. So please tell us how you got it working. I would settle for just GMail support at this stage. In another thread I include an admission from RITLabs there are problems with it. Thanks -- Michael J. Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.18.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with AntispamSniper Pro v2.7.1.7 on Fujitsu-Siemens, Centrino 1.4Ghz, 512MB, 60GB www.TechniSmart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: upgrading from ver 1.62r
AS> Guten Morgen, >>> Are you using IMAP? If so, you should be aware that IMAP doesn't >>> work in v4. DAC>> I don't think it did in version 1 [...] AS> Yes, you're right of course. DAC>> but I it is aburd to say it doesn't work in 4. AS> It's rather absurd that it took three major versions to _not_ get it AS> working, wouldn't you agree? Hello AS, Let me bite on this one! IMAP is a very sore issue with me. I really needed (and still do), but RITLabs are in a constant state of denial on IMAP support. According to RITLabs IMAP does work. See a paste of their support response to me: Time: 03/04/2008 17:43:33 From: [4000] (apr) XX (helpdesk staff) Well, there is a full support of the IMAP4-protocol in The Bat! and knowing the settings for you server you can configure The Bat! to work with it. So, basically, create a brand new account and make it an IMAP one, then enter the settings and there you go. Well, sorry "there you go" It still did not work me. Here was their final response and then they closed the ticket: Time: 03/05/2008 17:05:59 From: [4000] (apr) XXX (helpdesk staff) At present (some issues have to be solved) The Bat! does not work with Gmail via IMAP4-protocol, but successfully does with POP3. We can't say IMAP is not working in The Bat! at all, there are some problems, but generally it works. Now I really hope someone in the list can confirm or otherwise that RITLAbs is working on full IMAP support for v4.1, because I have a lot of trouble understanding "but generally it works", when it clearly does NOT! It's like being a little bit pregnant, either you are or you aren't. I will go so far as to say it will be difficult for TB to retain the crown as a credible alternative in the corporate arena without IMAP support. Sorry if this is this sounds a bit tongue-in-cheek, but as I wrote it, it ocurred to me it's a bit like Dante's "Divine Comedy": comical in its denial, yet a tragedy for those that need this feature. Frankly none of RITLAbs answers satisfies me, so maybe we can shame someone there into giving us hope this matter will be resolved soon. Cheers! -- Michael J. Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.18.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with AntispamSniper Pro v2.7.1.7 on Fujitsu-Siemens, Centrino 1.4Ghz, 512MB, 60GB www.TechniSmart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Latest Betas. Where ot find 4.0.18.7
Hello List, Can some kind soul tell me where I can always find the latest Beta? I seem to only find it when someone in the list refers to it. Where do you advise the next beta is available for download. Wasn't 6 supposed to be the last in this round of testing? Thank you -- Michael J. Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.18.6 OS Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 POP3 with AntispamSniper Pro v2.7.1.7 ___ www.TechniSmart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Cannot download a 3.5K email
L> Good afternoon Michael, L> L> It was foretold that on 28/03/2008 @ 11:24:27 GMT-0400 (which was L> 12:24:27 where I live) Michael J. Sharp would write: L> Hello Luc, L> It was always an infected mail (spam, virus)... once i deleted it on L> the server, everything worked fine again. I suppose the mail you want L> is a "secure" mail but maybe it's infected somehow... It's not a secure file. L> You might try delete it on the server and ask the sender to send a L> new one... It finally downloaded. My scanner is Sunbelt VIPRE (Beta) and it said it was clean. L> Of course i might be completely off track here but in that case L> someone much wiser will correct me :-) L> To the contrary, it is what I had to do with a pesky email a few days ago, so it is all good advice. OT: can you please tell me how to get that Oscar Wilde (or any other quotation) at the end of my sig? PS: I will try out a machine with Opera and see if it as worthy of a mention in my sig :-D. -- Michael J. Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.18.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with AntispamSniper Pro v2.7.1.7 on Fujitsu-Siemens, Centrino 1.4Ghz, 512MB, 60GB www.TechniSmart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Cannot download a 3.5K email
Hello list, One of my mail boxes was not bringing in its its usual quota of incoming mail, so I thought maybe Vitaly's Antispam Sniper Pro is doing its job a little too well. But no, the mail box on the server has some emails, but they are not large enough to casue any kind of backlog.I deleted all of them except the one I want, and marked it unseen. Now I try to I press F2 and it just sits there with the dialog box saying its until it times out. I have tried F11 (send and receive all) but it just sits there and eventually times out after 2 minutes. But this a 3.5K plain text message. See log: 3/28/2008, 09:50:08: FETCH - connected to POP3 server 3/28/2008, 09:50:09: FETCH - authenticated (plain) 3/28/2008, 09:50:10: FETCH - 1 messages in the mailbox, 1 new !3/28/2008, 09:51:11: FETCH - Connection to host broken (last commands sent were: "UIDL", "RETR 1") 3/28/2008, 09:59:04: FETCH - receiving mail messages 3/28/2008, 10:00:00: FETCH - connected to POP3 server 3/28/2008, 10:00:01: FETCH - authenticated (plain) 3/28/2008, 10:00:02: FETCH - 1 messages in the mailbox, 1 new !3/28/2008, 10:01:02: FETCH - Connection to host broken (last commands sent were: "UIDL", "RETR 1") I must suspect TB because its happening with other accounts, and never occurred in 4.0.18.5. Confirmation please! -- Michael J. Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.18.6 OS Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 POP3 with AntispamSniper Pro v2.7.1.7 ___ www.TechniSmart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder list corrupted
Hi Alexander, On Friday, January 5, 2007, 12:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I recently updated to TB! Christmas edition. Now the folder list is >> corrupted; i.e. the "Unread" and "Total" information is missing in all >> but a few cases, and none of the folders are in bold (indicating >> unread emails) until they are highlighted and even then do not >> necessarily show Unread and Total numbers. A> Sounds like quite some problems... :-( I wonder how that could happen. Me too! Though as I said to Mary, the problems with TB! alerted me to a greater system problem of some kind, and I had to restore the disk. Perhaps the Dell fell off the moving van. A> Maybe try this: A> Quit TB. Try to locate one of the folders that shows no message counter A> on your harddisk. Copy the contents to somewhere else with Explorer A> (manual backup, to say so). Then, delete the .TBI file in the folder. A> Its the index file for the message in the folder - when you remove it A> you won't lose any messages *but* if you have added notes to messages A> they will be gone. A> Restart TB... I didn't get a chance to try this, but thanks for the info! I'll save it for future reference. -- Best wishes, Pat ExTex Using The Bat! v3.80.06 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folder list corrupted
Hello all, I recently updated to TB! Christmas edition. Now the folder list is corrupted; i.e. the "Unread" and "Total" information is missing in all but a few cases, and none of the folders are in bold (indicating unread emails) until they are highlighted and even then do not necessarily show Unread and Total numbers. Worst of all, some of the folders are missing completely. I have attached a screenshot. There are other problems developing as well; for example, I was unable to open a message in a Sent file to Edit mode. When trying to access the Sorting Office for one of the accounts, the program shuts down. I have tried reinstalling/repairing both the previous version and the Christmas edition, but this has not helped. Do I need to delete the current version and completely reinstall? If so, can you please instruct how to do so while saving data, as I have forgotten how to do this. Help? Thank you -- Best wishes, Pat Third time lucky? Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Use of 'user param' in the filters
Hello Alexander, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK> In the meantime, I asked the Ritlabs programmer that does most of the ASK> filtering stuff (9Val) that question. He told me that once the message has ASK> passed all filters, the user params are cleared/dropped and NOT preserved. Wow, thanks for making this effort. Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! version: 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Use of 'user param' in the filters
Hello Alexander Thanks for your response. As often, one answer leads to more questions. Sorry for that ;-) You wrote: ASK> That "user parameter" is transported, you could say, "internally" with the ASK> message (like the color group setting, or a message flag). It can be used ASK> by further filters (ie. a parent filter sets a user param, a subfilter ASK> furthers the message according to the user param). Do I understand correctly that I should use the condition 'additional parameter' to check this user parameter? Also, does the user parameter stay with the message indefinitely across invocations of the Bat! or is it only there during the time the filter is active? ASK> PS: you have two sig delimiters in your message, one would do better :) I fully subscribe to the less-is-more principle. In this case I should have done less pasting and/or more cutting! Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! version: 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Use of 'user param' in the filters
Hello list, Playing around with the filters I have come across an a filter action called 'set user param'. It is not clear to me what this is supposed to do. I have set it on a filter and I somewhat expected a header field to be added but does not seem to be the case. Can you some explain a little how these user parameters can be used? -- Frank Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! version: 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
VF problem when fastsearching for flagged messages
I have set up a common virtual folder that lists all messages that are Flagged. The folder is set to autofresh and I use the fast search option. The flagged messages are found. However, when I toggle the flag attribute for one message, the attribut changes not only for the selected message, but for others too. There is no apparent relation between which messages are changing. They are in different folders and different accounts. It does not happen for all or even most of the flagged messages. But it makes the system quite unreliable. I have tried different think like re-creating the virtual folder, doing a consistency check on all the folders (this last operation declared my Flagged folder to be damaged 'no message base' but didn't repair it). I cannot get rid of this annoying bug. Have others seen the same behaviour? Are there any suggestions? It would be a reason for me to move 3.0 if this was the only thing fixed. Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! version: 2.12.00 on Windows XP Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: POP -> IMAP Migration
Hi Allie, Yes, but the problem is, some messages are read and others are not. So I'm not really looking for an "all or nothing" solution. Oh well, guess I'll have to cope with it. Thanks again, Kevin Allie Martin wrote: When you do an export, the read flagging is lost. But that's not really a problem since you can easily mark them read after importing by right clicking the destination folder and marking all messages read. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: POP -> IMAP Migration
Hi Allie, Thanks for the response, although it wasn't quite what I was hoping for. I tried exporting my messages as mbox files and loading them with Mail.app (which has better IMAP support), but found that the "read" flag values weren't maintained. Do you know of a workaround for this? Thanks, Kevin Allie Martin wrote: I suggest trying an export and import operation. Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
POP -> IMAP Migration
Hi, Has anyone here been able to copy their messages from an old POP account to an IMAP server? I can't seem to be able to do it. I tried when tb! 2.0 first came out, and couldn't get it to work, so I filed a bug report, which was then closed saying that it works. But if I go to my old POP account, select all the messages and "Copy to" a new folder on my IMAP account, not all of the messages get copied. I got a little further by modifying all of my old filters to do a "Copy to", but even this doesn't always copy all the messages. It's not a quota issue, since I don't have quotas enabled. And I don't think it's a speed issue, since the IMAP server is connected to the same switch as my workstation (and just to make sure, I let it try to copy for an hour, and nothing more was copied). Furthermore, tb! doesn't pop up anything saying that it's copying the files, so I really have no indication of where it is in the process. Anyway, I have about 1,500 emails that I would like to put on my IMAP server so I can access them from anywhere. If anyone has any hints on how to get this done, please let me know. Thanks, Kevin Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Avast plugin for The Bat?
Dear Batters, On Monday, February 23, 2004, 'Paul's signature read: "Using The Bat! v2.04.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Jan2004 (4.1.342) (avast! version number) 0402-0 (20.02.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.342 (avast! plugin version number)" = I have switched from AVG to Avast antivirus...and still trying to work out how to get avast to scan mail in The Bat (it does it automatically in Outlook Express and Eudora, by changing the server name to 127.0.0.1 etc) ...and then I saw Paul's sig line above... There is an Avast plugin for The Bat? Where does one get it? I assume there are nice/simple instructions accompanying? My apologies if this has been covered before... If so, I missed it.. -- Kind regards, Stephen Love NSW AUSTRALIA Mailer: The Bat!v2.04.7. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Time for a Newsgroup?
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: FDB>> Threatening to leave is not a very strong argument, is it? MDP> Of course it is - when it's existing members saying "no" to a MDP> newsgroup. It's called "not alienating the existing user base". MDP> Threatening to leave if a certain change *does* take place is a fair MDP> thing to do. Point taken. I hadn't realised that people would leave if this list would be copied into a newsgroup. I will shut up. Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! version: 2.04.7 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Time for a Newsgroup?
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP> Although newsgroups have their benefits, I'm still reluctant to MDP> reflect the list that way while there is strong resistance. I don't MDP> see anyone threatening to leave *unless* it becomes a newsgroup or MDP> gains a newsgroup echo. So a mailing list it will stay for the MDP> present and for the foreseeable future... Threatening to leave is not a very strong argument, is it? In addition, it would be shooting in my own foot "if you don't make this a newsgroup, I will leave". I don't think people would be very impressed and I would deprive myself from a source of information. A source that comes for free. I don't feel it very appropriate to come with demands or threats. Having said that, I just note that a newsgroup would make the information provided by this list more useful and accessible to me. Someone mentioned a gateway or mirror. That sounded the best solution to me, it would cater for both desires. Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! version: 2.04.7 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time for a Newsgroup?
Joseph N. wrote: JN> It would be easier to scan, store, read, and otherwise manage the JN> growing volume if it were on the Usenet. What do others think of JN> managing the volume of this list? I welcome the idea. I prefer a newsgroup to a mailing list. My newsreader is better equipped to handle larger amounts of threaded discussions. I like the push versus pull approach, ignoring threads, watching certain threads, the archiving offered by google, etc. Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! version: 2.04.7 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4
Mark wrote: M> Any attempt to use the search facility (F7) brings the M> Bat to a grinding halt (never-ending hourglass and then M> a crash). I experience the same problem. Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! version: 2.04.4 on Windows XP Current version is 2.04.04 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
nod32 plugin for The Bat! ??
Dear tbudl, I searched the knowledge database and couldn't get an answer on where to get the NOD32 plugin for The Bat! Previously I have used AVG...and its TheBat! plugin -with no worries...but I thought I would try NOD32 - though not a freebie...because it seems to be a better AV program and gets some trojans too?? (I am resisting paying for a 'proper' anti-trojan program at present...) Anyway ...is there a NOD32 plugin? -- Kind regards, Stephen Love AUSTRALIA Sunday, 1 February 2004 15:49 + 1100 Mailer: The Bat! v2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: toolbar
1/30/2004, 3:40 PM: dAniel said in "toolbar" dh> Hello bats, dh> What about a toolbar on the message list window, that gives the dh> ability to apply a Display mode (View/Display) and filter (RegExp) dh> quickly? [snip] dh> I used 40tude Dialog [snip] can apply different filters and view dh> modes. Yes, absolutely! I would love to see the quick search toolbar in the main window expanded to a more useful state--something much like Dialog's implementation. And, yes, I would love to have this quicksearch toolbar available in the message view window, as well. Regarding an upgraded quicksearch toolbar, what I'd most like to see is a reg-ex toggle. Perhaps a view-mode drop down would also be a nice addition. -- Peace, be well J Allen R Day http://protempore.org Do you have blacks, too? -George W. Bush Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Allie Martin's 'version' of TB
Dear tbudl,
Excuse my ignorancethe talk re glyphs etc went over, around etc my
head!
But...after 'complaining" re the default look of TB (The Bat!), I went
and looked at Allie Martin's 'version' of TB at http://www.ac-martin.com/pics/tb.png
and was blown away! Very nice!
How did you do this??!! I hesitate to ask... ("Haven't you been
listening?" "Are you as thick as two short planks??!!"
Is there a simple step by step "How-to" written down somewhere?
I looked at the FAQ site/page a while ago...and can't remember seeing
a 'how-to' on this...
--
Kind regards,
Stephen Love
AUSTRALIA
Monday, 19 January 2004 14:01 + 1100
Mailer: The Bat! v2.02.3 CE
Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information:
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Re TBUDL Moderators...was, re: Mod: Top posting (was: The Bat! versus others)
Saturday, January 17, 2004, 06:21 + 1100, a mod wrote: snip LG> LG> Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not LG> just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have LG> instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out ..[name LG> snipped..]. LG> This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. LG> Top posting, i.e., typing ...[snip] LG> Thank you. LG> Now, I am not 'sucking up to the moderators!...but the way the mods pull us back into line is one of the good things about this list ie as far as I have seen, politely and treating others with dignity... I once resigned from a list because the mod publicly and rudely ticked someone off for what might have been a mistake made in ignorance. As politely as possible, I told the mod in a private email that I thought he didn't treat the 'transgressor' very well...and also that you 'catch more bees with honey than vinegar'. The mod basically told me to go away...so I did. The mods on this list are refreshingly different.! Praise where praise is due. (Sorry...this is off topic...pease don't flame me...! ;-) -- Kind regards, Stephen Love AUSTRALIA Sunday, 18 January 2004 19:17 + 1100 Mailer: The Bat! v2.02.3 CE (www.ritlabs.com) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! versus others
Dear Ken Friday, January 16, 2004, 16:07 + 1100, you wrote: kg> S & J Love wrote: >> cc D Wilde (I.T. guru & fellow BMW rider)...I was going to introduce >> the analogy of BMW bikes (highly competent but not loved by the >> masses) vs (say) Harley Davidsons (majoring more on form than function), but >> decided not to go there kg> Your position on The Bat contradicts my idea of BMW motorcycles kg> (function over form) - BMWs are reliable and often considered downright kg> "geeky" in the motorcycle world. If anything, The Bat! is the BMW kg> motorcycles of the e-mail clients. kg> Outlook would have to be the Harley of e-mail clients: big, fat, slow, kg> troublesome and MASSIVELY popular. I was perhaps unclear: I WAS thinking BMWs (I own and ride a R1100GS) are perhaps analogous to The Bat!: emphasis on function rather than form (prettiness, appeal to the masses). However, analogies are not perfect. The VFR800 for example, while having wider appeal, is nonetheless an outstanding bike despite its wider appeal. It is perhaps an example of how good -excellent! - a product can get if the developers stick with it and overcome earlier problems. I hope The Bat continues in the same vein. BTW, many thanks to all those helpful replies to this and earlier posts: don't take my silence to mean ingratitude. Quite the contrary. Apologies to any Harley or Outlook Express devotees on the list: one man's meat and is another's poisson... ;-) -- Kind regards, Stephen Love Sunday, 18 January 2004 18:37 + 1100 Mailer: The Bat! v2.02.3 CE (www.ritlabs.com) Murphy's Law of Thermodynamics: Things get worse under pressure. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More missing messages
Dear Quin, Saturday, January 17, 2004, 03:30 + 1100, you wrote: QS> It happened once before that all messages in a particular folder QS> suddenly turned invisible. They were reported in the tree as QS> existing but nothing showed in the message list. I was able to QS> rectify this situation by using Empty Folder to store the messages QS> temporarily in the trash (they were readable there), then deleting QS> and re-creating the problem folder. I could then move the messages QS> back from the trash to the new folder, where they were now displayed QS> correctly. snipola QS> Any suggestions? And has anyone else had this problem? QS> By the way, I'm using the Christmas Edition now but I don't think I QS> was when I first experienced the problem. Yes...precisely the same thing happened to me...but only with 2.02.3 CE...not the previous version... And I used the same 'fix' as you to get the messages 'back' -- Kind regards, Stephen Love Sunday, 18 January 2004 19:08 + 1100 Mailer: The Bat! v2.02.3 CE (www.ritlabs.com) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
The Bat! versus others
Dear tbudl, I make no secret: though The Bat! (TB) has been my default mailer for over a year, I have played with others, including Eudora, M2 in Opera, Pegasus, (even Outlook Express and Outlook..again - VERY briefly), Mozilla Mail, Mozilla Thunderbird, various mailers in Linux (K-Mail, Evolution), Courier/Calypso, Pocomail etc. At work I use Lotus Notes (no choice; formerly Pegasus - again, no choice). I looked at Becky, and decided not to bother. (Apologies to Becky fans) (Looking at this list above..I think I need to get a life!! ;-) The main one I am playing with 'on the side' at present is Pocomail (PM). (LocoMail? ..only kidding). (BTW, almost every mailer I have played with has a much more capable address book than PM. And almost all look better than TB) There are a lot of nice things about PM...and I am thinking the 'perfect' email for me would be TB, with the appearance, 'skinnability', and some of the nice little touches of PM. YesI know that personal preferences (re features and appearance) have a big impact on one's choice of mailer. Despite some of the current bugs (eg in HTML): I see TB as being fairly boring and dull in appearance, but fast, reliable, fairly easy to use, and perhaps unsurpassed for power and flexibility. If there was an easy way to improve the appearance of TB... eg change the grey backdrop for something else...even a nice buff colour (as in some of the screenshots of TB I have seen) then it would make all the difference. Well, a big improvement at least. Call me fickle, call me 'superficial/but most humans (apart from the nerd-iest of power-users ;-) like something that is not only functional, but nice to look at In short, function should have priority, but it is important to have form as well. But...on the other hand...a program can't be all things to all people. Hmmm ... Am I helping?? ;-) cc D Wilde (I.T. guru & fellow BMW rider)...I was going to introduce the analogy of BMW bikes (highly competent but not loved by the masses) vs (say) Harley Davidsons (majoring more on form than function), but decided not to go there -- Kind regards, Stephen Love 25 Lonsdale St ARMIDALE NSW AUSTRALIA Friday, 16 January 2004 08:22 + 1100 Mailer: The Bat! v2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML Bug in current version: whne does new version come?
Dear tbudl, I have just reported a a bug (see below) Can experts/those in the know answer my question re when the new version is appearing? Or should I go back again to v 2.01 ?? The bug description: If I open the message editor, and choose format=html (+/- text), the html formatting toolbar (font selection, bold, italics etc) does not appear. I suspect you know this already as I-and others - have mentioned this on the TBUDL list. When is the successor to this current version appearing?? - -- Stephen Love NSW AUSTRALIA Friday, 16 January 2004 08:18 + 1100 Mailer: The Bat! v2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Macro for time zone?
Dear Bat Persons, I looked at the Help File re time/date macros but could not see the answer for this one. In my templates for New messages, the time macro is %TIME, and in the replies template, the time macro is %OTimeLongEn. I think these are the defaults. I recently changed the macro in 'Replies' to %OTime. However, I was thinking it would be good to have an indication of time zone (TZ). eg where I am (New South Wales, Australia), the time zone (with daylight saving) is GMT + 1100. Of course message headers include indications of time zone... (The default in new mail and replies in Pocomail is, I think, day-date-time + TZ.) (BTW, there is supposed to be some subtle difference between GMT and UT...what the hell is it? In message headers, is the reference to GMT or UT?) I could not find out how to automatically include an indication of TZ (it would be good if it was automatic for when daylight saving ends here)...but ended up 'manually' adding the time zone (+ 1100) to my New message and Reply message templates...ie %TIME + 1100, and %OTimeLongEn + 1100, respectively. Help please. Ta muchly -- Kind regards, Steve ARMIDALE NSW AUSTRALIA Tuesday, 13 January 2004 05:48 + 1100 Mailer: The Bat! v2.01.3 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
ver 2.02 CE vs 2.01.3 - some glitches
Dear tbudl, I noticed a couple of strange things while using the current version (Christmas Ed), so reverted to my previous version (2.01.3), which seemed to fix the 'problems'. These 'problems' were: * DISAPPEARING MESSAGE LIST. The message list for one of my folders, which contained 39 emails, went empty/blank. One message was displayed in the preview pane. Opening and closing The Bat!(TB) did not make the contents of the message list reappeared. I installed v 2.1.3 over the CE version and the list came back. * NO 'HTML TOOLBAR'. In the message editor, when changing the format from plain to html/plain or html, the html toolbar (font, bold, font colour etc) does not appear in the CE version. However the html toolbar comes up fine in the previous version. * FUTURE DATES IN MESSAGE LIST. Regardless of version, I noticed in a couple of folders, there were a few messages, which in the message list (but not the message headers etc), had correct day and month, but had future years (eg 2008, 2013 etc) in the received column (but not the 'created' column). I am playing with another email client at present (Pocomail), and the dates for these messages were OK in that email client. By the way, these problems in TB only seemed to happen when I started fooling around with another emailer on the side... ;-) -- Kind regards, Steve NSW AUSTRALIA Tuesday, 13 January 2004 05:34 + 1100 Mailer: The Bat! v2.01.3 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat or Pocomail - THANKS
Again, the question 'what is better, The Bat! or Pocomail?" is an impossible question to answer Similar to asking a group of motorcyclists what is the best out of BMWs, Ducatis, Harleys etc Questions of personal preferences - aesthetics, and what weight you put on different characteristics - come into play big time. But thank you all for your helpful comments. No, you haven't 'answered' my question - an impossible 'ask' - but your insights have been interesting and helpful... Finally, whatever I personally dislike about The Bat! (and I dislike something about all of the several programs I have tried!), I do not doubt it is an excellent email program - easily among the best... -- Kind regards, Steve NSW AUSTRALIA Monday, 5 January 2004 20:39 Mailer: The Bat! v2.02.3 CE (www.ritlabs.com) Modern English is the Wal-Mart of languages: convenient, huge, hard to avoid, superficially friendly, and devouring all rivals in its eagerness to expand. -Mark Abley, journalist (1955- ) Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TheBat or Pocomail
Hi Bat Persons, This may not be an appropriate question to ask on this list - and one impossible to answer anyway - but I will ask anyway... What is 'better': The Bat! or Pocomail? I have been using both for some months now - The Bat! for over a year - and I find I like and dislike features of both... Presumably most are on this list because they are The Bat! devotess and would opine that The Bat! is a winner by a country mile! Anyway, this is an honest question -- Kind regards, Steve ARMIDALE NSW AUSTRALIA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:18 Mailer: The Bat! v2.02.3 CE Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Showing high priorities messages only?
Adam wrote: A> Yes. Right click on any Column Header (right above the message A> listing). Under Available Items, click on Priority. Drag it to A> Selected Items if it is not already there. Place it where it suits A> you. The order of items is represented. Click OK. Wow, that's the bit of info I missed: there is a separate priority field! (I usually look at the message flag field...). Thanks, Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! version: 2.01.3 on Windows XP Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Showing high priorities messages only?
Allie Martin wrote: AM> With your version of TB!, there's only one way and that is to hold the AM> Alt button down while left clicking on the message flag icon of any AM> message showing the priority which you wish to have displayed alone. I tried that, and it doesn't seem to work. I guess this is because the message flag is used twofold: to show priorities and to keep track of read/unread status. Alt-left click appears to filter on the latter, i.e. the read status. I will stay tuned for 2.03 ;-) Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! version: 2.01.3 on Windows XP Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Showing high priorities messages only?
Is there a way to have a folder only show messages of a certain priority? I have been looking for this in the display and the sort options but without success. Perhaps I have overlooked something. I can do a work-around involving assign colour groups to priority levels and use those to filter, but this is a bit awkward. Any other options? Frank de Bruin -- The Bat! Version: 2.01.3 on Windows XP Current version is 2.02.3 CE | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
S/Mime causes access violation
Hello tbudl, I received an S/MIME message digitally signed with an X.509 certificate. The icon shows that the signature is valid. However, when I try to open the message I get an access violation. Is this a known bug in TB 2.0.3? Is there a workaround? __ | Edward J. Krall | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | 10838 North 110 Place | (480) 614-0423 | | Scottsdale, AZ 85259 | | |___|__| Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: Mac attachments
Hello Miguel, Monday, December 1, 2003. 6:16:53 PM. you wrote: > Hello Adrian, >> To ask you another question. It appears to me that TheBat does not >> like attachments without an extenion. I had one which, when I tried to >> open it I got the message "no application is associated with the >> specified file for this operation". When I added a .doc extension I >> could handle it without any problems. Is there something I can do to >> make such attachments more readily accessible? > That is not a problem of The Bat, it is your Windows. And it is correct, > there is normally no application associated to open files without an > extension. In your Windows Explorer take a look at Tools/Folder > Options/File Types. There you can see which files (extension) is > associated with which application. It may not be The Bat's problem but it is mine. :-( Following you pointer, I went into Windows Explorer and attempted to add another association: Ext: "[NONE]"Notepad Even after rebooting the machine, I still got the same message "no application is associated..." Am I doing something wrong? What can I do to make it possible to open such a file (without having to go through the whole process of exporting the message, adding an extension in Notepad, and then re-importing it)? -- Best regards Adrian J Morantmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: Mac attachments
Hello Simon, Sunday, November 30, 2003. 12:36:30 PM. you wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > Hello Adrian, > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:57:48 + your time, you said: AJM>> I've received attachments from a Mac user (using Word for Mac). I AJM>> have been unable to read them. I think the problem is caused by AJM>> illegal characters such as "/" being used in the file name. AJM>> I'm using 2.01.3 set to "keep attachment files in message bodies". > If you need them desperately then you could try this: > 1. Export email to .msg format > 2. Open the .msg file in a text editor (without wordwrap on). > 3. Look for the base64 encoded file by looking for the >MIME boundary declaration in the message. Here is an example: > - --begin example > - 10E4A19720729F06 > Content-Type: image/gif; name="routeradmin.gif" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="routeradmin.gif" > R0lGODlhAAUABPcAAH8AAAGBAICBqIAAgAB+gMC+tcLZv6bJ8QEE3wIcdgY1qAAe > yQNE5AJSsQF4PwJ4cQV7pwOHUwCJWgGPcQKcAQsMDREVGwkZQA8yZg86gwNcTRtPwghhzAlvBwh1 > <..the rest of base64 encoded image snipped..> > - --end example > 4. change the filename after the "name=" part and the "filename=" part > so that they are the same name; IOW change the original filename to > newfile.ext, where 'newfile' is anything you like, and ext is whatever > the file extension should be. > - - btw: it will be these original filenames that contain the offending > characters so you are simply removing the offending characters and > adding something sensible ;-). > 5. Save the file. Close it and import it back into TB! > It's a workaround at least. Hope it works :-) Thanks for the suggestion. It worked a treat. In fact, I opened a new Temp folder in to which I copied the offending email. It was then easy to export it, edit as you suggested to get rid of the illegal characters and then re-import it. The resultant was text that I could read without the slightest difficulty. To ask you another question. It appears to me that TheBat does not like attachments without an extenion. I had one which, when I tried to open it I got the message "no application is associated with the specified file for this operation". When I added a .doc extension I could handle it without any problems. Is there something I can do to make such attachments more readily accessible? -- Best regards Adrian J Morantmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [thebat] Re: Mac attachments
Hello MAU, Friday, November 28, 2003. 4:14:24 PM. you wrote: > Hello Adrian, >> I've received attachments from a Mac user (using Word for Mac). I have >> been unable to read them. I think the problem is caused by illegal >> characters such as "/" being used in the file name. >> >> I'm using 2.01.3 set to "keep attachment files in message bodies". > Have you tried saving the file (right click on icon and Save) with a > different name and then use it? Yes, while that works with all "proper" attachments (.doc .txt .zip) with proper filesnames, it just seems to do nothing. I used the "save to function" and was so was able to select an empty folder to put the file in. When I checked, there was nothing there. -- Best regards Adrian J Morantmail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mac attachments
I've received attachments from a Mac user (using Word for Mac). I have been unable to read them. I think the problem is caused by illegal characters such as "/" being used in the file name. I'm using 2.01.3 set to "keep attachment files in message bodies". - Best regards Adrian J Morant mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Archiving again!
Hello Barry, BH> "A valid name should be specified for the alternative deletion BH> folder" I got the same thing and I've fiddled around a little. I got rid off the error message by also specifying a valid folder name in the normal deletion field. This allowed me to close the window without error message. Afterwards I set the normal deletion back to the default. Frank -- Best regards, Frank J de Bruin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Purchased the Bat!
Hello Anthony, AGA> No, it's a statement from someone who has decades of experience in both AGA> writing software and supporting it. You can write bug-free software? For let's say a product the size of the Bat? Do you have any examples, I would be seriously impressed. AGA> You have to pick your priorities. Several dozen crashes in two hours AGA> would seem to indicate that the priorities need to shift a little. I AGA> don't have that problem with Outlook Express, or with Forte Agent. I assume you're not claiming that Outlook Express or Forte Agent are bug free. I agree with you that there are/might be bugs in TB 2 that should not have been in there in this official release. My personal gripe is the ticker not working correctly while it is advertised as one of the selling points. But saying that there are too many serious bugs is something different from saying that should be no bugs at all. Frank -- Best regards, Frank J de Bruin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Purchased the Bat!
Sunday, October 26, 2003, 1:01:14 PM, Anthony wrote: AGA> There is no excuse for _any_ bugs in a commercial product. This statement is naive and ignores the current state of the art in software development. It is impossible to make a software product that meets the huge and complex (sometimes even conflicting) user requirements while keeping it affordable and delivered on time. Frank -- Best regards, Frank J de Bruin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Current version is 2.01.3 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What is that number?
Dear Allie, On Friday, October 17, 2003, 6:57:51 PM, you wrote: AM> Edward J. Krall, [EJK] wrote: EJK>> The folder-tree pane on the upper left side of the The Bat! window is EJK>> divided into three columns: Name, Unread and Total. What is the meaning EJK>> of a number in angle brackets in the Total column, such as, "0 <5>"? I EJK>> can't find an explanation in the on-line help. AM> It's the total number of messages within the sub-folders for the folder AM> which those totals are being defined. AM> So if you see for example 1237 (285), this means that the folder AM> contains 1237 messages but there are also sub-folders there that contain AM> a total of 285 messages. I have received a number of suggestions of what the number is. But it still is not clear. Here is a "picture" of The Bat! at this very minute. These folders are subfolders of my account, and have no subfolders. In the picture, X represents an icon. Note the number is <6>, not (6). NameUnread Total -X MyAccountName 8 |-X Inbox0 <6> |-X Outbox 0 |-X Sent Mail2 +-X Trash0 X Common Folders here with a total of 307 messages. System information: I am using Pop3 at home with The Bat!, but the account is really an Exchange account at work, which I read with Microsoft Outlook. The Message Dispatcher shows 15 messages, with all marked Read and one also marked Delete. I execute the Dispatcher and the one message is deleted. But the folder tree does not change, nor is there any change in the six messages in Inbox. I Purge&Compress ... no change. I am confused. Ed _ | Edward J. Krall | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | 10838 North 110 Place | (480) 614-0423 | | Scottsdale, AZ 85259 | | |___|_| Current version is 2.01 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
What is that number?
Hello tbudl, The folder-tree pane on the upper left side of the The Bat! window is divided into three columns: Name, Unread and Total. What is the meaning of a number in angle brackets in the Total column, such as, "0 <5>"? I can't find an explanation in the on-line help. -- Best regards, Edward Current version is 2.01 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.01.00 connection centre slow?
FJdB> I have installed 2.01.00 and while it seems to run okay, the FJdB> connection centre is extremely slow. I think I solved the mystery: a CDROM left in its drive. After removing it, system behaves normal again. Frank -- Best regards, Frank J de Bruin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Current version is 2.01 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
2.01.00 connection centre slow?
Hello tbudl, I have installed 2.01.00 and while it seems to run okay, the connection centre is extremely slow. I notice transfer speeds of 310 CPS. Anyone else sees this? Frank de Bruin Current version is 2.01 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 2.00.6 issues?
On Sunday, September 28, 2003, Mark wrote: M> Is there a list of current The Bat v2 issues? The only problems I've come across have been with the IMAPv4 implementation. I have not experienced any e-mail losses at all (not even with the beta builds). -- Using The Bat! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Can't Delete Zombie Messages
Dear Clive, On Friday, September 26, 2003, 11:28:47 PM, you wrote: CT> Hi Clive, >> Have you tried running folder|compress on the individual folder (right >> click option)? CT> Sorry, had a brain slip. Theres no right click option for this. CT> Instead go folder|compress with the focus on the folder you want to CT> operate on. I am sure I tried this, because I tried all the obvious things. I finally became desparate and deleted the files 00.tbb and 00.tbi (actually, I saved them to another directory). This worked, but now I wonder if I did some real damage. The Bat! re-created them, but in the folder listing the inbox folder is totally empty. Of some 35 messages this morning, all were filtered correctly except one, which was over-sized. However, it does not show up in the inbox folder. I can access it by using the message dispatcher. Is this normal behavior? Ed _____ | Edward J. Krall | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | 10838 North 110 Place | (480) 614-0423 | | Scottsdale, AZ 85259 | | |___|_| Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Can't Delete Zombie Messages
Hello Batpeople, I upgraded to V2, and find that I am having a hard time (=impossible) deleting messages. I am using POP3 since IMAP is not yet working. Messages which are filtered and downloaded are removed from the server, which is what I want. There are others that I want to download "by hand" then delete from the server. I have tried everything: moving to trash, pressing delete (this gives an access violation), using the dispatcher (but they are not shown in the dispatcher window), and even deleting the files MESSAGES.TBI and MESSAGES.TBB from the /inbox directory. Yet these 59 zombie messages are still shown in inbox folder in The Bat! I've run folder maintenance to no avail. Suggestions please! _ | Edward J. Krall | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | 10838 North 110 Place | (480) 614-0423 | | Scottsdale, AZ 85259 | | |___|_| Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why MyGate with TB!?
Hi guys. just now starting to use Bat for email Ive been a LONG time user of Agent for BOTH mail and news but this recent SW work has forced me to start thinking abt using separate apps for mail and news rather than all in one app. Im liking the Bat for mail good so far... but Im curious Has RIT ever thought abt developing a news reader?? Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PIM app for The Bat?
Hi... Im a brand new user of The Bat... trying out the demo version So far so good Question. does RIT have a good PIM app that works well wit The Bat so that I could give up total use of Outlook? Or... does there exist any PIM apps that do work well with Bat? Thanks! Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
FIlters in V2 IMAP
Hello tbudl, I must be missing something simple... I upgraded to V2, and am using an IMAP account. Filters used to work great in V1.62, but now I can't get the sorting office to move messages from the server to common folders. I've read the Help files a couple of times. I tried creating the filters by Specials-->Create Filters. Nothing seems to work Worse, I don't see any option for inbox-known, which was in V1.62. I know this is vague, but could someone suggest other things to look for in creating filters. -- Best regards, Ed mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB 2.00.6 not indicating new mail in folders
Hello Bill, BBTE> This is a bug. I've seen it and so have several others. RITLabs is aware of BBTE> this and promises a fix. (No timetable for the fix.) In the meantime, you BBTE> might install SOUNDS -- these seem to still work. Thanks for letting me know. Is there any site or page with 'known issues'? That would have saved me some time. I am reading this e-mail list but following all threads is a all most a day time job. I will look at the sounds, but it is a partial work-around since I am not 24/7 at my PC. Frank -- Best regards, Frank J de Bruin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB! 2 - Message as Attachments
Hi list, Has anyone had any reports from OE users that their message bodies are appearing as attachments? I've run a few tests using Outlook and my message look fine, but I've had several OE 6.x users report this problem with my mails. Obviously I'd just love to blame OE but I can't rule out a bug in TB! 2.0, especially as this appears to have started some time after I installed v2. Any thoughts, anyone? Graeme. -- Graeme J Hosking [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hosking-online.com/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PGP
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Why does TB insist on signing my PGP messages with "Version: PGP SDK 3.0" and not version 8 which I'm using. I know it's using my version but it's not telling the world and also not sending my comments line. I'm sure it used to do this when I used PGP 6.58. Regards Nigel. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBP1kb4EcaBAV6hSVgEQJtFACaAjgP0HH5c92uEqSZux7fadolb6EAnjKw V1+zprDRu4CxETr7EKmptdZ4 =f1Xd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP and subfolders
On Thursday, September 04, 2003, Clive Taylor wrote: CT> Yup. Keep complaining. IMAP doesn't work well in this version - CT> a big disappointment. I concur with that. The IMAP support is *better* than in v1.x by far, but it still needs more work. It's kinda sad that Outlook Express has very good IMAP support--yet TheBat does not (yet). :~( Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Price of TheBat 2
Hi there, a friend of mine wants to know if it would be cheaper to buy TheBat 1.x before September,1st and then buy an update to version 2. Do you think this way is cheaper or is it better to immediately buy version 2? Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
problem sharing messages with multiple bat installations
I have two installations of theBat using the same account on an IMAP server. I leave certain messages on the server from work so that I can download them later from home. Some of the messages I access from location A do not download when I check mail later at location B. The messages exist on the server (i.e,. I can get at them using the Mail Dispatcher), but I think the appropriate behavior would be: 1) When checked from A, download the message and mark it as "read" on the server. 2) When checked from location B, download it from the server and mark it as "read" locally (since it was already downloaded from location A). It seems to be doing 1, but not 2. (Oddly, it seems to do 2 *sometimes*, but I need to confirm this.) Shouldn't the mail be downloaded from location B even after it has been accessed from location A as long as it is still on the server? Is this an issue, or do I misunderstand the correct behavior under these circumstances? Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
te daily digest format
Hellow TBUDL arroba thebat.dutaint.com i'm a "daily digest" susbcriber of the list, because you write a lot of mails, :-) i would like see another order in the messages of the daily digest, for example today i recibed the next messages secuence: 1. Insert Template Just before send message (Nikolay Cankoff) 2. Re: Insert Template Just before send message (Roelof Otten) 3. Re[2]: Insert Template Just before send message (Nikolay Cankoff) 4. Re: Turning full justification off (Graeme Adamson) 5. Re: Insert Template Just before send message (Roelof Otten) 6. Re[2]: Insert Template Just before send message (Nikolay Cankoff) 7. Re: Ignore thread (Mark Partous) 8. Re: Ignore thread (Dave Gorman) 9. Re: Ignore thread (Mark Partous) 10. Re: Bat folder size question (Lee Gibbon) 11. Re: Turning full justification off (Allie Martin) 12. Re: macros for TB - what can i expect to see? (Greg Strong) 13. Cleaning up duplicates in address book (David) 14. Re: Cleaning up duplicates in address book (Roelof Otten) 15. Re[2]: macros for TB - what can i expect to see? (Dhrakol) 16. Re: Ignore thread (Stuart Hemming) 17. Re: Ignore thread (Stuart Hemming) i think this is order by time. i would like you order it for PID of the message, to have the responses in order. the order for the last list will be: 10. Re: Bat folder size question (Lee Gibbon) 1. Insert Template Just before send message (Nikolay Cankoff) 2. Re: Insert Template Just before send message (Roelof Otten) 3. Re[2]: Insert Template Just before send message (Nikolay Cankoff) 5. Re: Insert Template Just before send message (Roelof Otten) 6. Re[2]: Insert Template Just before send message (Nikolay Cankoff) 4. Re: Turning full justification off (Graeme Adamson) 11. Re: Turning full justification off (Allie Martin) 7. Re: Ignore thread (Mark Partous) 8. Re: Ignore thread (Dave Gorman) 9. Re: Ignore thread (Mark Partous) 16. Re: Ignore thread (Stuart Hemming) 17. Re: Ignore thread (Stuart Hemming) 12. Re: macros for TB - what can i expect to see? (Greg Strong) 15. Re[2]: macros for TB - what can i expect to see? (Dhrakol) 13. Cleaning up duplicates in address book (David) 14. Re: Cleaning up duplicates in address book (Roelof Otten) did you understand the idea? -- Best Regards, Fabian J. Gonzalez Berger (Task Control) mail: Listas at FabianGonzalez dot CL Using: - Windows 98 4.10.1998 - The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 - Trillian PRO 1.0 C Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: Mail <-> Newsgroup Gateways
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roel, > There's a good tutorial on: > http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg36819.html Thanks I'll give Mailtraq a try. Graeme. - -- Graeme J Hosking [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hosking-online.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ Comment: Key Id: 0xCA4E46C2 (http://pgpkeys.mit.edu/) iQA/AwUBPh4hB2G9Y2LKTkbCEQJQCwCg77SbgHR4leZ1JGekp3oGs7RGWhAAn0GZ Sr+tNYL6FBmYpXlAON1t7oeK =kkZL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SOT: Mail <-> Newsgroup Gateways
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Sorry this is a bit off-topic but I was wondering if any TB! users have got any recommendations for Mail-Newsgroup gateways that work nicely with TB!? Ideally I'd like to read and post to newsgroups through TB!. If you have any good experiences doing this please share the secret :) Best regards, Graeme. - -- Graeme J Hosking [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hosking-online.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ Comment: Key Id: 0xCA4E46C2 (http://pgpkeys.mit.edu/) iQA/AwUBPh26smG9Y2LKTkbCEQI21QCg1ScCHiu8bK2eQ/h7TTxprBd1licAoIfJ 45vA5MMG4ztOT6ZjbnZP6ujx =4rHz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP Signing and Encryption
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marck, > Only encrypted signed messages will result in a decrypted version. Ah, so it does. I was keying CTRL-SHIFT-D for signed messages, instead of CTRL-SHIFT-C. > If it were decrypted in-line then you really would lose that > opportunity since the original message would be replaced with the > decrypted version. By "in-line" what I was really trying to say is "on-the-fly" - TB! should always store the message as it was received. So if I received a signed message and want it displayed in the viewer TB! would do it's best to check the signature automatically. Similarly with encrypted messages, if I have a cached passphrase in PGP then there is nothing to stop TB! decrypting the message for me when I open it in the viewer. There should, of course, always be a way to view the message as it was originally transmitted if you are interested in that. For me it's the manual intervention on every message that is signed or encrypted that makes it feel less integrated. > BTW, if unattended security is of concern to you then you should > seriously consider using SecureBat! It's not a major concern for me, just an example of why I'm not so keen on the decrypted copies of messages. If TB! was decrypting as it went the PGP passphrase caching would alleviate this problem to some degree. Thanks for your response, I will give that example Read filter a try. Regards, Graeme. - -- Graeme J Hosking [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hosking-online.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ Comment: KeyID: 0xCA4E46C2 iQA/AwUBPhQizWG9Y2LKTkbCEQIKPwCg+U7/k8df/Tbla6CcLyVjwEoulcMAoKzs /mHBcxXsjXJ0Qw9cVIJh2J4h =WFf9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PGP Signing and Encryption
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm just starting to get my head around using PGP with The Bat! but I'm not entirely sure I have this set up correctly. I've installed PGP 6.5.8ckt and The Bat! seems to work with it reasonably. However, every time I ask for a signature to be verified, or a message to be decrypted, I get a duplicate of the message with "(PGP Decrypted)" appended to the subject. Is it really supposed to do that? It seems to me to be slightly less than elegant, but given that I'm new to PGP I'm willing to accept there might be a good reason for doing this (I just can't see it :-). I was expecting messages to be verified or decrypted "in-line", so to speak, making use of the PGP passphrase caching. Making decrypted copies of a message that anyone passing my workstation can read when I'm not around seems to go against the objective of increasing privacy, IMO. Which is why I'm wondering if I've missed anything? Graeme. - -- Graeme J Hosking [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hosking-online.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ Comment: KeyID: 0xCA4E46C2 iQA/AwUBPhOYgGG9Y2LKTkbCEQINygCg33JdwV9533GZKbfQFCxuHwXq9dEAoI9s tql1TwVLsj18VPwhyK5zrGg0 =Uw/B -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[the editor][28/12/2002-18:51 GMT]
Is it possible to extract, in some way, the editor from TB to use it as a standalone app ? Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Ø©Eªnº - þªT®iª - NØsT®ª] Las Palmas, Canary Islands [28/12/2002, 18:51 GMT] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 --- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE:[Compose Editor Produces Jumbled Letters][28/12/2002-12:13 GMT]
That kind erratic behaviour sounds to me as a virus. Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Ø©Eªnº - þªT®iª - NØsT®ª] Las Palmas, Canary Islands [28/12/2002, 12:13 GMT] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 [Original message, 28/12/2002, 11:55] Allie Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AM> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, AM> Sue [S] wrote:' S>> I'm new to TB, and have just downloaded the latest version S>> (1.62) for my Windows 95 system. I like the client so far but S>> my only complaint is with the compose editor. As I type, S>> preceding lines become garbled, almost to the point where S>> they look like characters from a foreign language. The longer S>> the paragraph, the more jumbled the paragraph becomes, and S>> the letters are no longer legible AM> Very strange what's happening. Which font are you using? Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE:[Model/view design for text editor][28/12/2002-10:43 GMT]
I have tested several external editors, in the past. I believe the only editors which behave similarly as TB's (IMO, the best editor of all email programs) were: The Boxer and, from the same programmer, TKO (Technical Knock Out). I dont know how good they are in their 32bit incarnations but the old MSDOS versiones were extremely nice and similar, in many ways, to TB's editor. TB is a brilliant program much better than anything else I have tested. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Ø©Eªnº - þªT®iª - NØsT®ª] Las Palmas, Canary Islands [28/12/2002, 10:43 GMT] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 [Original message, 28/12/2002, 9:03] Victor B. Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: VBG> Anyone know of a good text editor like that? --- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: html mailto bug
I'm going to respond to a bunch of e-mails from different people, so in order to avoid sending a bunch of replies I've combined them into this one. Also please read it all, including my previous lengthy post on other software that uses the "be lenient in what you receive..." policy. Also, I'm posting this to TBOT (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tbot/) as well because this is getting off topic so please post replies there. First some more general questions/ideas in all e-mails: No, this is not a bug in TB, it's a error on the part of person who wrote the malformed mailto that I think TB should be interpret as the original errored author intended. I think originally I was just lazy and preferred to say bug instead of "error made by web authors which should be interpreted as intended by TB," sorry :) Also if there is confusion I'm referring to a malformed link in this form: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send me some cheese">mail me [note the enclosing quotes] Regarding this being specific to Outlook Express, I've also tested it with the follow programs which interpreted the malformed mailtos as intended by the author: Eudora 5.2 Mozilla 1.2b mail client Netscape 7.0 mail client You can see http://www.gummibears.nu/test.html for an example of one correct mailto, and one incorrect if you'd like to test for yourself. The rest of the stuff is addressed below, tell me if I missed anything. Thursday, November 28, 2002, 10:59:57 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: >> Yes, but it's beside the point. There's that internet saying, >> (paraphrasing) "be lenient in what you receive and strict in what >> you send." TF> Who said this? " 1.2.2 Robustness Principle At every layer of the protocols, there is a general rule whose application can lead to enormous benefits in robustness and interoperability [IP:1]: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" " -- Jon Postel, 1989, RFC 1122 TF> knowing about them, let alone following them. If you don't agree with TF> the rules, do what any democrat does, become a member of IETF and TF> change the rules. Many are being changed over time as necessity TF> dictates. Just ignoring the rules leads to anarchy and helps nobody. This is already a rule the IETF follows (see http://www.apacheweek.com/issues/01-03-02 ). TF> I did not wish to use an email client that follows this philosophy. TF> The philosophy is wrong. Please read my earlier post, this is a philosophy used by very many major internet software clients and servers. Friday, November 29, 2002, 4:41:03 AM, Dierk Haasis wrote: DH> So, TB should "send" mailto links correctly coded and "accept" (in DH> other mails) them wrong? DH> First, I am not sure what that means in this context. In this context it only applies to receiving since The Bat! isn't actually generating mailto: links. Keep in mind this is a general rule, so the entire thing may not apply in a given context (in this case just the first half). So basically it means The Bat! should be able to understand malformed mailto: links. Lenient in what you accept means accepting data that is possible to get the intended meaning of (in this specific case you can), but is nonetheless malformed. DH> Second, how the hell should TB know what part after a mailto: belongs DH> to the link and what is the next normal text? Good question, for clarification I was referring strictly to mailto:s embedded in an tag. I've noticed while certain websites don't use %20 instead of spaces they do enclose the link in quotes so you can still extract the original meaning even though it has spaces. Ex: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=hi how are you"> With the quotes you can still extract the meaning of it as it clearly marks where the text ends. Of course without the quotes you're screwed, but no software can interpret that the way it was intended anyway. Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: html mailto bug
It's long, I know, I'm sorry :( Friday, November 29, 2002, 12:18:10 AM, you wrote: JA> It's almost this kind of thinking (no offence) that starts getting JA> programs in trouble. I know mailto: URLs won't cause any halm (unless JA> you do permit certain headers to be set), but saying "well, just let JA> this one slip a little" just starts to promote bad coding, and hence JA> security bugs. This doesn't promote bad coding at all, especially in this case. In fact, most IE holes have nothing to do with not following official standards (usually a buffer overflow or something related to security zones and scripting). The cases which are involve proprietary extensions added by MS themselves, not an effort to support ones in wide use made by other people. MS has bad coding practice in general, regardless of context, so trying to point one thing as being the result of it seems a bit silly. The "be lenient in what you accept, strict in what you send" is the standard, widely accepted mentality for 99% software. djb's software is the only software I can think of that doesn't, and it can get away with it because it breaks very little software (if any). If you've ever written server or certain client software you'll realize that there are a) a lot of non-standard clients and servers and b) you have to support them. I've encountered problems like this, thinking it was a bug in my code, only to find out about some sort of non-compliant support I needed to add to allow the software on the other end to function properly (this is especially true on usenet). Apache is a great example of software needing to support non-compliant clients (see http://www.apacheweek.com/issues/01-03-02). It will accept a variety of non-compliant inputs, I know because I've actually tried (you might be surprised what you can get away with). Likewise you could think of OpenSSH which is capable of emulating (non-compliant) bugs in old ssh clients. This is also done with all major browsers to accept non-compliant HTML (very very few webpages have 100% compliant HTML). I wouldn't be surprised if The Bat! accepts messages which are incorrectly encoded (like with MIME). I didn't know this until now, but apparently that "be lenient ..." saying is from the IETF according to that URL, meaning they acknowledge its necessity. JA> Plus the mailto: is follow standard RFC guidelines on JA> correctly formatted URLs (you won't find a single website that can be JA> served with a space in it, the server will convert the names to %20). JA> Break it, and you might end up causing all kinds of issues. This isn't breaking *anything*. This is about accepting a non-compliant input, not producing a non-compliant output. This case is also different than a url with spaces in that the HTTP protocol relies on url having no spaces (because the space is used to delimit a parameter that comes after it). With mailto it can easily be interpreted without confusion. This is not to mention the fact that the non-compliant mailto: is in such wide use that it's become an unofficial standard (the RFC itself was made in 1998, longer after it had already been in use). JA> Saying that other clients (OE in your reference) interpret the mailto: JA> correctly is incorrect. RFCs say, you *must* convert the special JA> characters to their hex equivalent. Reading it in any other ways is JA> wrong, no matter how you look at it. It may be wrong from the standpoint of the RFC, but from a intuitive standpoint (that of everyone who does it) it makes perfect sense. It's not at all difficult to interpret as it was intended by the author. JA> I think RitLabs have done the correct thing in following the RFCs JA> correctly. The more compliance you have with standards, the more JA> likely you are to do well. Start changing things, or flexing the rules JA> slightly, and you end up having all kinds of problems. Actually it tends to be the opposite. If you don't support non-compliant stuff you start breaking clients/servers and data ends up getting misrepresented/misdisplayed. If software writers, especially those who make web browsers didn't support non-compliant stuff many pages wouldn't display quite right or not at all (yes, even Opera does this). In fact, if you are so strict as to accept only perfect compliance people probably would stop using your browser because they would be limited to only those websites who bothered to use the w3c validater (which is very few sadly). Besides, it IS just mailto, you really aren't hurting anything. Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: html mailto bug
Thursday, November 28, 2002, 9:37:47 AM, you wrote: JA> I think that is correct behavior per RFCs. Special characters such as JA> spaces, &, and such are supposed to converted to the hex version. ... JA> So TB! is only behaving as per the rules. You'll find it is the other JA> mail clients that are misbehaving. And the author of the link also JA> made the mistake too. Yes, but it's beside the point. There's that internet saying, (paraphrasing) "be lenient in what you receive and strict in what you send." Other clients ( or at least Outlook Express) do interpret the mailto: correctly even when it's not properly formed with the hex codes. Most websites I've seen that use the subject line in mailto: don't use the hex codes or a suitable substitute at all, so it would make sense to have The Bat! understand improperly formatted mailto:s. Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
html mailto bug
I think I've found a minor, but annoying mailto: bug. With an HTML link that uses the mailto: and a subject line (i.e. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=hello how are you) The Bat! may not properly insert the subject line into the message composing window. If the subject line contains spaces (as above) then The Bat! will only include the first word of the subject in the subject line (i.e. "hello" instead of "hello how are you"). The only way to get around this is substitute the HTML escape character %20 (20 hex is a space) in place of spaces. Unfortunately most websites don't do this, and thus you get a truncated subject line when you click on a mailto: link. Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: default folder
BUt that way it still sets up a new folder with the senders name and i end up deleting these folders ON Wednesday, October 30, 2002, 9:19:14 PM, you wrote: J> Is there a way to change the default web folder when making filters? J> Most often i am filtering spam and want it sent to the trash but if i J> pass that prompt, The Bat will make a new folder each time, even when J> i eventually click - send to trash and/or delete from server. Hi John, There' syour anwser. Don't MOVE the msg to trash just leave the default move to Inbox and select delete msg under the actions tab. ps: You did notice there is a scroll bar on that side of that tab? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You make a lot of money in this game. Just ask my ex-wives. Both of them are so rich that neither of their husbands' work. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Now here's a poser!
Hi all, At my work I have a very simple network of two machines plus a laptop. My machine runs W98SE and has a connection to the Internet, the machine in the workshop runs WFWG 3.11 and my laptop, when connected, runs W98SE. I will be adding another office machine, again W98SE, in the near future. At present email between the workshop and me is via MSMail (works) and Outlook (me) a Postoffice from a shared drive on my machine. The network is TCP/IP I then use TB! for my Internet email, which is the only machine at the moment that requires Internet email. This present arrangement seems unneccesarily messy, but is there a way where the works machine could email me so I could pick up the mail using my copy of TB! For reasons I don't really want to go into the works machine really needs to stay with WFWG 3.11 for the present. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Barry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/2002 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
