Re: Bayesit and build 30?
Hello Barry, Friday, July 8, 2005, 2:36:40 AM, you wrote: B Hi B I just downloaded build 30 from the Ritlabs web site and installed over my B copy of build 25 and Bayesit 0.8.1 B For some reason the installer removed my copy of Bayesit but didn't replace B it. I tried installing a downloaded copy of Bayesit but its only 0.8.0 and B when I tried running the combination TB would crash when I was trying to B set up the Bayesit plug in. B I reverted to build 25 and everything is back to normal. B Just wondered if anyone else had experienced similar problems with build B 30? It wasn't a problem here for any of the versions I tried in that sequence, but that seems to be the way with these sorts of things. Sorry I don't have a better answer for you other than to try either: 1.) running through one or more of the intervening updates and see if there is something that needed to be 'tweeked' between 25 and 30 to make it work right. 2.) try one of the later builds to see if it was just a quirk of the 30 build. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.36 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Add In
Hello Jeff, Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 7:04:30 PM, you wrote: JG Hello Group JG I'm still struggling a bit with this plugin (v 0.8.1). JG It seems to regard everything as spam except this list, which I've JG managed to whitelist. It's a pain because I am selling my first item JG on eBay and I'm getting some questions. Instead of going through my JG inbox and deleting junk I'm going through the junk folder un-deleting JG stuff that isn't junk :-( JG Any recommendations as to the best way to make it a bit less JG aggressive? Did you give it any non-spam messages when you trained it? I made that mistake when I first tried BayesIt. If you only give it spam, then it had no idea what a Good message looks like, so everything will look like spam to it. It needs at least as much ham as spam for training. Beyond that, go to OPtion, Preferences, Anti-spam and select Baysit Try adjusting the Move message threshold to a higher number. You might also play with the Avg/Max/Min scoring, although I am not sure exactly how that is used (I use Avg, FWIW) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.5.0.16 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering issue
Hello Paul, Wednesday, May 4, 2005, 9:51:36 PM, you wrote: PB I rely mainly on positive filters in the bat, like known, and can PB live with that. That is the issue. These spam messages were ending up in my 'known' folder even though they did not come from a known sender. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filtering issue
Hello All, Just as of today I have been hammered by a significant increase in spam. I can deal with that. But one thing did confuse me. One of the spam messages ended up in my known folder and I checked my address book three times to be sure and neither the From nor the To address appear in my address book. So can someone offer a suggestion as to why this email would have gotten sent to the Known folder? (I have included the message header bewlow in case that will help) TIA -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 w/BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 - X-Message-Status: n X-SID-PRA: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-SID-Result: SoftFail X-Message-Info: uX4bQusXWiIzi0ZCsMSSmm/43RoEh/jMZuc8WoGd7Q4= Received: from qbtycafov.com ([65.8.201.164]) by MC8-F35.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 3 May 2005 05:02:58 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:41:52 GMT Subject: Re: Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary===ca130e9759003f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2005 12:02:58.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C4584E0:01C54FD8] X-ISafe-Status: V Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filtering issue
Hello MAU, Tuesday, May 3, 2005, 1:41:56 PM, you wrote: M Hello MikeD, Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 M You are using a beta version, you should post this in the TBBeta list. Ooops ... sorry. Grabbed the wrong email -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Friday, April 1, 2005, 1:27:21 PM, you wrote: SF Hello MikeD, SF Thursday, March 31, 2005, 10:29:35 AM, you wrote: M3 [...] When I first started having this problem, I not only M3 'un-installed' the add-in, I deleted the all the training M3 data and retrained. That did not stop the problem from M3 reoccurring either. SF I did this and it worked. I uninstalled the plugin, deleted all SF BayesIt files, and then downloaded and installed the latest SF version (not the one that comes with 2.12.00). SF I didn't realise that there is a different procedure for installing SF the plugin now, Through Options-Preferences-Protection-Antispam SF rather than Options-Preferences-Plugins as before. SF I had to retrain but this was not a problem as I have a fairly SF large mailbase to work with. SF It remains to be seen how well it works now but at least it works. SF Thanks for the help. Hope it works better for you now. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Wednesday, March 30, 2005, 1:35:59 PM, you wrote: SF Hello MikeD, SF Wednesday, March 30, 2005, 5:08:46 AM, you wrote: M3 I would be interested in hearing what (if anything) you find out. SF It seems to be 2 accounts (rest OK) and the problem is SF consistent, ie the mail is blocked every time. Also the Connection SF Center locks up evry time so I have to use the 3 finger salute to SF kill The Bat! and restart. SF This started after a clean system and program re-install. My SF previous installation was WIN98SE. Hmm ... I have nothing else to suggest at this point. But you might want to look at the Doesn't download Mail thread and see if that has any applicability. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Thursday, March 31, 2005, 1:00:23 PM, you wrote: SF Hello MikeD, SF Thursday, March 31, 2005, 3:53:54 AM, you wrote: M3 Hmm ... I have nothing else to suggest at this point. But you M3 might want to look at the Doesn't download Mail thread and M3 see if that has any applicability. SF I tried that. There are no new messages with malformed headers. SF The problem lies elsewhere. Oh well ... sigh SF I tried transferring most of my BayesIt installation from the old SF machine in order to preserve the training so perhaps there is SF something amiss with one of the configuration files. You can try experimenting with that, but I don't think that is the problem ... at least not directly. When I first started having this problem, I not only 'un-installed' the add-in, I deleted the all the training data and retrained. That did not stop the problem from reoccurring either. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Wednesday, March 30, 2005, 4:02:02 AM, you wrote: SF Hello MikeD, SF Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 11:49:39 AM, you wrote: M3 I am not sure if the problem is triggered by a certain email M3 message format or not. But my *guess* is that it has M3 something to do with a miss-formed message header of some M3 sort. SF I am not sure about that because it seems to be a constant SF problem on a couple of accounts. Well I am not sure either g It just seemed that since it seems to work well for varying periods of time ... some times long, sometimes short ... my guess was that it was being triggered by something it was receiving shrug But it is just a guess g SF I will monitor this for a while. I would be interested in hearing what (if anything) you find out. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt blocking mail import
Hello Scott, Tuesday, March 29, 2005, 12:02:41 PM, you wrote: SF Hello TBUDL, SF I just clean installed everything, and imported my installation SF from a backup, but now BayesIt is giving me trouble. SF Sometimes all my messages will download but not be imported, SF then the connection centre just hangs. If I remove the plugin SF everything works fine (except for the spam). SF I keep my Mail directory on a different drive from the SF installation directory and I have tried running the plugin from SF both locations but there was no difference. SF I am running AVG Free v7. SF Any ideas? I have this problem (at least it sounds like the problem I have) about once a week or so. It is not you Anti-virus, I use eTrust ... and have Zone Alarm Pro FWIW. If I delete the BayesIt plug-in (from options/preferences/add-ins only ... I don't delete the files or the trained data), close TB, start TB again, add BayesIt back in ... that usually fixes it for me, I can then download again and things work normally. Occasionally, that won't work and I have to do one extra step. After I have deleted BayesIt, I have to connect and get mail once. After that I can re-add BayesIt and it will work fine for a while again. I am not sure if the problem is triggered by a certain email message format or not. But my *guess* is that it has something to do with a miss-formed message header of some sort. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Plugin
Hello John, Friday, November 19, 2004, 4:02:30 PM, you wrote: JM Why does the Bayesit plugin not work very well? JM It will pick up an occasional spam but misses most. JM It will still fall for the same messages even after I mark them as JM spam. JM Spammers have gotten hip to how Bayesian filtering works and have devised ways to get around it by filling the message with random words and the like, so that no two messages are the same ... just as they were able to get around name filtering by creating fictitious addresses that were always different. It is a constant struggle. We find a new tool, then they find a way around it sigh Bayesian filtering still works, just not as effectively against the rabbid spammer who only seems to care about getting a nonsense message into your inbox ... as opposed to the commercial spammer who does want you to buy something (what are they thinking? shrug ) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
Hello Dave, Wednesday, November 3, 2004, 5:24:51 AM, you wrote: DT How do you install this Bayesit filter? First unarchive the TBP file someplace in either the TB executable tree or the data tree. I put mine in Prg_files/TheBat/Bayesit Go to Options / PLugins. Click add and then point at the bayesit.tbp file, click OK and you are basically done. It will then be set up with some defaults. You will then need to train it before it will be any good at recognizing spam. There are two ways to do that. First, just continue to receive mail as you do now and for each spam you find, use the menu Specials - Mark as Spam (I have assigned that to Alt-J (for junk) on my system). It will have assumed everything is ham (i.e. non-spam) until you mark it as such, so you don't have to do anything about those. Or, if you have saved some spam and some ham messages saved on your system, you can save some time by training it on those messages using the specials 'mark as junk' and 'mark as not junk' to get a leg up as it were. Just be sure to get at least as much ham as spam in your training so that it has a good idea what it good stuff or you will end up with a lot of false positives. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Bayesit
Hello Dave, Wednesday, November 3, 2004, 9:42:05 AM, you wrote: DT Thanks Mike Always happy to be able to give back in some small way for all the help I have gotten g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
Hello Dave, Tuesday, November 2, 2004, 6:31:10 AM, you wrote: DT Where do I find the link to the latest version Sorry, I no longer have that link handy and I cannot read the site well enough to find the link sigh Hopefully someone else will be able to post a copy of the link for you. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit
Hello Dan, Tuesday, November 2, 2004, 8:46:34 AM, you wrote: DG Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:31:10 +0200 (6:31 AM EST here) Dave Thomas wrote: Where do I find the link to the latest [Bayesit] version DG You might want to try DG www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit.lng . I believe that is just the language file. The actual *plugin* file name is bayesit073.rar so try this for that: www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/bayesit/bayesit073.rar -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Boycott then purchase of V3
Hello WilWilWil, Thursday, October 28, 2004, 4:58:36 PM, you wrote: M3 There is *NO* bug free software that is as complicated as an email M3 client. OE has bugs, Eudora has bugs, Agent Mail has bugs, pegusus M3 has bugs ... see a pattern here? g W I agree with you but you don't have to pay for all this W softwares... My opinion is that it's more easy to ignore bugs when W the soft is free. And imagine you accept idea of bugs, you don't W accept idea of not having support for a soft you've paid. Perhaps, but in terms of bugs per buck there are programs like ... Microsoft windows, Office, outlook express, internet explorer and others that I had to spend **LOTS** more money to acquire that have as many or more bugs than TB did for me. But of course, based on the message traffic here and in the beta site, there were people that had a lot more problems than I did. So the number and severity of the problems that you had could certainly affect your perception of the issue g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Boycott then purchase of V3
Hello WilWilWil, Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 5:33:35 PM, you wrote: M You fared better than I did. I emailed Ritlabs on 4th September, having M purchased my version 2 licence on 20th August. They only took two M days to reply to me with:- RL You are not obliged to upgrade to the 3.xx version. W Wrong : bugs are debug only in V3 now, and user of V2 are alone with their problems... Well FWIW, I have to say that ver 2.12 was pretty damned stable for me and most users. There were features that were never added and a few problems with some of the less commonly used features (IMAP PGP, for example). But I could have (and considered) used it for the foreseeable future. RL The Bat! version that you purchased is fully functional and has no time RL limit in using. W Fully functional ? Wrong again ! I prefer understood fully W bugged functional. And what about support ? There is *NO* bug free software that is as complicated as an email client. OE has bugs, Eudora has bugs, Agent Mail has bugs, pegusus has bugs ... see a pattern here? g In the 3 or 4 years that I have been using TB, I have never had to contact Support on a technical issue. So I was not worried about the lack of support. RL limit in using. Upgrading is optional. W Such a strangely advice from a commercial company ! W So good developers team with so pitiful sales service... Yeah ... but consider the opposite ... great marketing / lousy developers. I have run into too many of those. I prefer the RIT formula ... even if it does make me mad some times g W My latest boss always says It's no necessary to have the best W product : in 3rd millennium, customer want just a correct product W but with maximum of powerful services and support. W I prefer driving a little car and having the good garage for W services. What is utility of having a Formula One if nobody can do W the MAINTENANCE ? W Problem : with The Bat, I have tasted Formula One and can't W imagine go back to my moped ! :-) :-) :-) You can stay on 2.12. If you don't need the things that they never got working reliably, it works remarkably well and is stable as all get out. I considered that, but in the end (just this week, in fact) I decided that the cost was so minimal for the improvements that I decided to go ahead and upgrage. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Boycott then purchase of V3
Hello z5worg, Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 10:20:45 PM, you wrote: zzc Wednesday, October 27, 2004, WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zzc I bought v2 last January; but haven't really used it yet. I just zzc installed it on a new computer last week. I am still using v1.62. What zzc kinds of bugs are there in v2? Serious bugs? zzc I just send and receive emails, filtering into different folders, very zzc elementary macros. Should I just stayed with v.162 and forget about zzc v2.12? I had great performance with 2.12. It worked fine, never gave me any problems ... well during the beta testing of various BayesIt beta versions I did have an occasional error and a couple of crashes, but TB was stable as a rock otherwise. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt
Hello G., Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 9:24:45 AM, you wrote: GM I'm sure this is a FAQ but I haven't been paying attention... GM Just upgraded to TB 3.01, no problems, but BayesIt has GM stopped spotting ANY spam - not that it ever was any good at it GM (about 1 in 3 with 2.x). Do I have to retrain the new version? Unfortunately, Yes. The new install added a newer version of BayesIt (unless you have been keeping up through the Beta list). If you were on the older version of Bayesit (0.5.x or before) you will want to go out and delete the data files and retrain. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT! and filters
Hello Michael, Friday, October 15, 2004, 11:49:11 PM, you wrote: MLW -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MLW Hash: SHA1 MLW Hi, MLW I get some pretty rude email spam. I have setup a filter to delete MLW from the server anything with certain words in the subject. Many of MLW these still get processed by BayesIT! and not deleted from the server. MLW I am using a series of OR statements in the filter, and it looks like MLW the ones that get through have more than one of my special words. MLW So, how can I make a filter that will delete from the serve any email MLW that has one or more of these ten special words? Are you doing all 10 words in one filter string set? Have you tried using the alternative tab to create a separate filer string set for each of your 10 words? I have had better luck with that method over trying to build one comprehensive test string -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: BayesIT! and filters
Hello Stuart, Saturday, October 16, 2004, 9:06:23 AM, you wrote: SC Michael is using Version 3 which does not have the alternative tab. I guess I will have to bite the bullet soon and move up to 3 g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit Filter - How do you configure it?
Hello Greg, Sunday, October 10, 2004, 8:21:19 PM, you wrote: GS Hello MikeD, GS Thursday, October 7, 2004, 10:11:36 AM, MikeD (3) wrote: Click Add and then point it at the 'bayesit' folder and select the 'bayesit.tbp' GS Done. That will get things started. Next you have to start showing it what is good email (i.e. 'ham') and what is spam (that is train it). You can do that in several different ways. You can just start using TB as before. Without anything to go on it *should* treat everything as ham. You then tell it what is spam. Eventually it will start to figure things out. GS Ok I can do nothing and let learn on the fly, but I have about 500 GS spam messages that I would like to use to train. If you have saves a lot of spam and ham samples, you can train it on those saved letters. That will speed up the training process. GS How do you do this? Select all the spam messages the way you would select any messages and once you have them all selected, click on Specials and select Mark as Spam from that drop down menu. That is all there is to it. However, a word of caution: with only spam (and no ham) in the training base, you are likely to get a lot of false positives because there will be lots of spam indicators from the spam messages you trained it with, but no (or almost no) offsetting ham indicators. You would be better served to wait until you have processed some ham mail so that the system will have some indication of what a good message will look like. One idea that someone else suggested was to use your sent mail for ham training. That might work unless you are like me and get a lot of news letters, news items and the like that are nothing like what I send out g Hope that helps. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit Filter - How do you configure it?
Hello Dave, Thursday, October 7, 2004, 8:53:29 AM, you wrote: DT Hi there, how do I configure the filter in version 3? You have to unarchive it and it's support files. I keep mine in a folder called (big surprise) 'bayesit' that is in the 'TheBat' program tree. Next you start TB and go to Option, Prefernces and select Plugins at the bottom of the list. Click Add and then point it at the 'bayesit' folder and select the 'bayesit.tbp' That will get things started. Next you have to start showing it what is good email (i.e. 'ham') and what is spam (that is train it). You can do that in several different ways. You can just start using TB as before. Without anything to go on it *should* treat everything as ham. You then tell it what is spam. Eventually it will start to figure things out. If you have saves a lot of spam and ham samples, you can train it on those saved letters. That will speed up the training process. That should get you started. Ask if you have any other questions. Someone will chime ing -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How do I know BayesIT is learning anything?
Hello Neal, Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 5:58:14 PM, you wrote: NL One way is to look at the statistics BayesIt generates. The would be NL found here: Options Preferences Plug-ins BayesIt Information NL Highlight the BayesIt plugin and click the info button and you will NL see a large amount of data pertaining to BayesIt's actions. This is NL were I would start anyhow. That is definitely the place to go to see what it is doing in a fairly understandable way. Another thing to do is look in Bayesit's log file. There you can see what it did with every message in the last message get. Mine is in C:\My Documents\BatMail\bayesit. But be warned, it is pretty obtuse stuff in there wink -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt web english web page
Hello Steve, Saturday, September 25, 2004, 7:10:59 PM, you wrote: SMK Neal, SMK I'm, using 06.6, which I thought was the latest version. BayesIt hasn't SMK worked well for me since the version that came with The Bat 2.12; I don't SMK remember its version number. That would 0.5.11. It is what I continue to return to when I have problems with a new version of the 0.6 tree. Last time I looked, it was still available. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt! upgrade
Hello aceman, Monday, September 20, 2004, 3:26:43 PM, you wrote: Keep in mind that 0.6.6 is not a complete bayesit install. It is designed to replace a couple of files in the 0.6.5 install. I am not sure it will work correctly over top of 0.6.4 or earlier versions. abc Yes, that is true. I only realised that when I actually *looked* in the .rar file :) That's why I also hang out in the beta forum wink abc Thanks for the correction. My pleasure. We are all here to help each other! -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bayesit063.rar bayesit064.rar bayesit065.rar ?
Hello WilWilWil, Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 6:21:30 AM, you wrote: W Io, W How do you catch the information that a new release of bayesit exists ? Well since it is still a work in progress, the most current release notices are posted to the Beta Test list. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: bayesit063.rar bayesit064.rar bayesit065.rar ?
Hello admin, Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 3:35:34 PM, you wrote: Hello WilWilWil, Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 6:21:30 AM, you wrote: W Io, W How do you catch the information that a new release of bayesit exists ? Well since it is still a work in progress, the most current release notices are posted to the Beta Test list. aacu I have been trying BayesIt butafter it was installed The Bat kept aacu crashing out with the MS 'Send Now' error report. aacu I have unistalled it and The Bat has returned to being stable. aacu In case I did something wring with the installation could someone tell aacu me the right version to use, which files to put exactly where and aacu where I can get the rar of BayesIt and which Unrar utilitry to use to aacu unrar it? aacu I want to be sure I re-isntall completely correctly to see if the aacu proboem repeats itself. That has been an ongoing problem with recent versions. And while not everyone has had problems like this, many others have. I have had mixed results (as to the 'crashing' thing) myself and I went back to an earlier version. If you have version 0.5.11, that one seems to be pretty stable and works well enough. If you want to keep up to date you will want to join the beta group. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! upgrade
Hello Joe, Monday, September 20, 2004, 9:37:45 AM, you wrote: J Hello, J I am having a crash about twice a day and was told the problem is with BayesIt! 0.6.00. J I was also told that the problem is fixed in 0.6.4. Where/how J can I get the upgrade to BayesIt? Actually look for ver 0.6.5 at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit065.rar -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt! upgrade
Hello aceman, Monday, September 20, 2004, 10:35:18 AM, you wrote: abc http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit066.rar abc or if you *really* want 0.6.4 abc http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit064.rar Keep in mind that 0.6.6 is not a complete bayesit install. It is designed to replace a couple of files in the 0.6.5 install. I am not sure it will work correctly over top of 0.6.4 or earlier versions. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love BayesIT!
Hello Bill, Ahhh, thanks, that makes sense. Don't know why I couldn't just figure that out sigh Must be getting old wink -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 9:17:58 PM, you wrote: BM On Tue 7-Sep-04 1:58pm -0400, MikeD (3) wrote: Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 12:38:31 PM, you wrote: BM On Mon 6-Sep-04 7:56pm -0400, Michael L. Wilson wrote: Since the 5.10 or so, I have added the discussion and newsletter groups to the whitelist, which has sped up mail collection even more. This list generates a hundred or more email a day, and those are just passed through BayesIT, and not counted in the totals. BM This appears to be a great idea for training BayesIt! BM However, for actual operation after a bit of this training, BM wouldn't it be better to delete those white list entries and BM place them in the ignore list? You seem to know more about this than I do. What is the difference between the white list and the ignore list? I have never used the latter. BM Whitelist learns and assigns a zero value (not spam). BM Ignorelist doesn't learn and returns not processed to TB! BM You can see the learning going on by examing the log and the BM base. BM After training for a day with my Whitelist, I simply did a BM rename to convert that list to an Ignorelist: BM ren whitelist.txt ignorelist.txt Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: BayesIT and BayesFilter
Hello Paul, Monday, September 6, 2004, 5:23:19 PM, you wrote: The key there seems to be to completely remove all traces of the old one before installing and trying to train the new one. PJ So I have to retrain each time I upgrade the BayesIT plugin. That PJ seems rather painful. I think I'll try the Bayes Filter for a while PJ and see how that goes. Well I don't *know* that you have to do it *every* time. But when I first went from 0.4 something to 0.5 something, I had all sorts of problems until I did the uninstall/wipe things. That may not be required to go from 0.6.0 to 0.6.1, but since it only takes an extra ... maybe 5 minutes to do the cleanup, install and retrain, it seems a small price for a good install. I loose a lot more time if I don't and then have to go back wink -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I love BayesIT!
Hello Michael, Monday, September 6, 2004, 7:56:34 PM, you wrote: MLW Since the 5.10 or so, I have added the discussion and newsletter MLW groups to the whitelist, which has sped up mail collection even more. MLW This list generates a hundred or more email a day, and those are just MLW passed through BayesIT, and not counted in the totals. Doh palm hits forehead what a great idea. I had not thought to put stuff like that in there sigh I have about a dozen lists that account for probably 80% or more of my email. Thanks for that suggestion. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love BayesIT!
Hello Allister, Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 1:09:33 AM, you wrote: AJ Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 12:56:34 PM, Michael wrote: MLW No Bayes based filter will ever be 100% perfect. I believe, however, MLW that BayesIT is a very good implementation of the Bayes calculations. AJ It is such a shame, then, that it stuffs up many peoples' systems, AJ including mine. Yes it is a shame that some people have a problem. I have too at various times. But that is something that we put up with to support something that is *very affordable* (i.e. free) and that works on many more systems than it doesn't ... we try it, identify errors and help the author get them fixed. And every version does get better and bugs that can be identified are fixed. AJ If anyone would care to actually investigate why it does this and fix AJ it, You do realize that the Alexi is developing this on his own just for our benefit, right? He gets no payment for this. But he cannot do it in a vacuum. It is not easy for an **individual** without the resources of someone like Microsoft to be able to test on all possible hardware-software configurations out there. He relies on us to give him useful feedback about how things fail. I am sure he would welcome your help identifying bugs. Have you written to him to see if, between the two of you, you can figure out what is not working so he can fix it? I know that, at least in the past, he has worked with others that have had problems and took the time to contact him about working through the problem. I was one of them wink AJ I would seriously consider switching back. POPFile *is* slow, but AJ it works. Also, all those folks looking at abandoning TB! can AJ switch to whichever mail client and not lose all the training. Hmmm ... You don't seem to like the other free alternatives much either. Maybe you should invest the requisite thousands of dollars in one of the main stream solutions. They work (mostly) weg -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT! Doesn't filter the spam as junk
Hello Terrance, Monday, September 6, 2004, 11:50:53 PM, you wrote: TH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- TH Hash: SHA1 TH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- TH Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) TH iD8DBQFBPT4PD9yJdiuqiRERAsxtAJsGTU1Ij+G6b6vV9O+vEEqbIKz3cgCfU9wy TH VZQabA+io6pmZOlPp2WGFfA= TH =eei6 TH -END PGP SIGNATURE- TH I've fed the bayesIT lots of spam and ham: TH Spam frequency dictionary: TH ° C:\Documents and Settings\Terrance Harris\Application TH Data\The Bat!\bayesit\base\spamdict.bye TH ° Size: 1373 letters. TH ° Capacity: 84 words. TH Non-spam frequency dictionary: TH ° C:\Documents and Settings\Terrance Harris\Application TH Data\The Bat!\bayesit\base\nspamdict.bye TH ° Size: 964 letters. TH ° Capacity: 83507 words. TH Current active base: TH ° Active current base contains 28815 words. TH ° Status: OK TH Yet when I get mail it doesn't move it to the junk folder. TH Anyone know why? Look at Options - Preferences - Anti-Spam. What 'threshold' is set on your system for the Move to folder if score is greater than? Mine is down in the single digits. g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[7]: BayesIT and BayesFilter
Hello Paul, Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 8:07:07 AM, you wrote: PJ Do you keep a folder of spam to train it with then? I delete all mine PJ every week or so. Right, I have both a ham and a spam folder with messages for training. I empty all my junk folders into the Spam folder and all my Trash folders go to Ham. I keep both 'trimmed' to between 1500 and 2000 messages. That ends up being about 4 to 6 weeks for me. That means that I always have a relatively current set of messages to train from ... as opposed to a static copus that is months out of date. The spammers seem to come up with new ways to 'beat the system' every week or two. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I love BayesIT!
Hello Bill, Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 12:38:31 PM, you wrote: BM On Mon 6-Sep-04 7:56pm -0400, Michael L. Wilson wrote: Since the 5.10 or so, I have added the discussion and newsletter groups to the whitelist, which has sped up mail collection even more. This list generates a hundred or more email a day, and those are just passed through BayesIT, and not counted in the totals. BM This appears to be a great idea for training BayesIt! BM However, for actual operation after a bit of this training, BM wouldn't it be better to delete those white list entries and BM place them in the ignore list? You seem to know more about this than I do. What is the difference between the white list and the ignore list? I have never used the latter. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: BayesIT and BayesFilter
Hello Paul, Monday, September 6, 2004, 2:13:39 PM, you wrote: PJ Can anyone point me to info regarding BayesIT and BayesFilter. PJ What is the difference between them? BayesIT will actually work if you can get it installed. I've never been able to get the other one to do anything except grab program focus for a couple of seconds and then give me a OK dialog that needs to be dismissed saying, One messages processed. PJ Thanks; any tips on how to successfully get BayesIT installed? Mostly it is a YMMV sort of thing at the moment. You install it and it works well or it does not. I have it (BayesIt 0.6.1) working on my system. I had some early problems because I installed it over an older version. The key there seems to be to completely remove all traces of the old one before installing and trying to train the new one. If you have never installed it, you may not have any problems. But as others have said, they did. It is it is a problem for you, it is easy enough to remove it and wait to see if the next release helps you. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt! and userrights
Hello Lars, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 6:26:04 PM, you wrote: Besides adjusting access for the plugin, you may need to 'fiddle' some other tb file rights as well. LS I have tried to give the users write rights to the LS installation folder of The Bat!. But that seems not to be the LS problem. They may need execute permissions as well. If you open the directory for the Bat and select 'properties', go the 'security' tab and select 'everyone'. Now look for 'read and execute' and check the allow box there. Also check the allow box for 'write' as you may need that as well. If you still have problems, you can select 'Full Control'. If you still have problems, then it is something else that is getting in the way. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIt! and userrights
Hello Lars, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 7:43:12 AM, you wrote: LS Hello, LS when I try to add the BayesIt! filter to the list of anti LS spam plugings (by selecting it in the installation folder of The LS Bat!), I get an error message, as long as the user has no LS administrator rights (which is no option at all). What can I do LS about this? LS The The Bat! version, the promblem occured with, was 2.12. There must be a login on the system that has admin privledges. You can't delete them all. You will need to log in with one of those accounts and either grant your regular account permission to add the plugin or add it from that account. It is also possible that it is just a permissions problem on the plug in file itself that needs to be changed. Hope that helps. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt! and userrights
Hello Lars, Saturday, September 4, 2004, 12:41:16 PM, you wrote: It is also possible that it is just a permissions problem on the plug in file itself that needs to be changed. LS Could be. Has no one else this problem, or are all people out LS there working with admin rights for their accounts? I suspect that most win 2k users are set up with admin privledges, so they probably do not have that problem. Besides adjusting access for the plugin, you may need to 'fiddle' some other tb file rights as well. While I use win 2k regularly, I am not running TB on a win 2k system. Sorry I can't be more specific. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Problems With Spam Filters and Filters
Hello Scott, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 6:53:44 PM, you wrote: SS Howdy, SS I deleted all traces of old filters in the sorting office, as well as SS all traces of any anti-spam plugin. (Including the new version) SS I then noticed that my filters started working again. SS That one problem fixed. SS Now when I reinstalled the SPAM filter and retaught it using 1591 SPAM SS messages and around 2000 NON-SPAM messages, it still does not filter SS my inbox (Which contains around 2500 SPAM and NON-SPAM messages). SS It is also not catching any SPAM as it downloads. SS Is there something else I can try? Well first off, I don't think bayesIt can refilter the inbox after the fact the way a filter can. AFAIK, it only works on incoming mail. As to why nothing seems to be getting filtered on the new mail DL, now you need to look at the settings on the Options/Preferences/Anti-Spam page. I have my move message if score is greater than set in the single digits. But that depends to some extent on the actual message base that you have ... how different your Ham is from Spam. There are a couple of other 'flags' you can play with, but I am less clear on how they affect things. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Dennis, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 10:46:13 PM, you wrote: DWG Top posting good. Bottom posting annoying! I think we are in the minority, thought sigh -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Will BayesIt 0.6.0 work with TheBat! 2.12.00?
Hello Dan, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 5:35:40 PM, you wrote: DG BayesIt's history.txt says: DG Version 0.6.0 - this version is written to be included in DG The Bat! 3.0 distribution DG Is anyone successfully using BayesIt 0.6.0 with TheBat! 2.12.00? I have not tried it. I just got 5.11 working days before 6 was announced and I am not ready to take that one on again ... yet g But, IIRC, it *should* work just fine. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Will BayesIt 0.6.0 work with TheBat! 2.12.00?
Hello Andre, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 10:08:58 AM, you wrote: AW Hello Dan, AW On 2 Sep 2004 at 18:35:40 -0400 GMT [00:35 CEST] you wrote: DG BayesIt's history.txt says: DG Is anyone successfully using BayesIt 0.6.0 with TheBat! 2.12.00? AW Yes. FWIW, I see on the beta list that 0.6.1 is now out. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit and IMAP
Hello Sean, Thursday, September 2, 2004, 10:19:58 AM, you wrote: SH Is the new version of Bayesit (bundled with TB3.0) supposed to work SH with IMAP, or is it POP only? It *SHOULDN'T* matter. But, as with all things, YMMV. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello Graham, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 5:13:28 AM, you wrote: GD Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? The best suggestion that I have heard is stay with 2.12. It works well enough for me (but I don't need IMAP ... which was promised for 2 ... wasn't it? :-/ ) -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt download?
Hello Paul, Tuesday, August 31, 2004, 8:14:04 PM, you wrote: PC On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:59:29 +0200, Andre Wichartz wrote: Hello Peter, On 24 Aug 2004 at 16:58:43 -0400 GMT [22:58 CEST] you wrote: PK Where can I find the latest version of BayesIt for download? PK The site given in Plugin-BayesIt is a Russian language page of Ritlab. PK TIA http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit0511.rar PC I have downloaded 053 from the ritlabs site: PC Version 0.5.3 PC [http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit053.rar] PC (20.04.2004) That is a bit out of date. 0.5.5 is the one that is included in the 2.12 TB distribution and the latest I have seen is 0.5.11. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ritlabs *is* a business...
Hello Nick, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 7:29:31 AM, you wrote: ND Hello, ND I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this, but: ND I wonder what Ritlabs' revenues are, and how they break down? New vs. ND repeat business. ND I suspect that v3 will result in a wave fresh positive reviews in the ND press. Probably praising the new up-to-date look and feel (not that ND I've seen it yet) and perhaps comparing it favourably to v1.62. This ND will trigger another generation of dissatisfied MS users to pay up, ND and be pleasantly surprised and impressed with TB! (After all, it's ND still uniquely powerful tool). This must sound familiar to most people ND here - it's what happened to me: PC Pro 2001 I think. Well considering what has happened ... a single beta release of 3 just days ago, and the problems I see on the beta list, I don't think you are going to see any glowing reports from any reviewers. :-/ ND I'd bet that this is where their real money comes from, not in keeping ND a (vocal) few of the faithful happy. They are a business after all. If they were a *savvy* business they would have done something different. Up until this point they had a seriously devoted group of users. They would have been better off on so many different levels if they had done something along the lines of what Mandrake did when it was having cash flow problems. they harnessed their loyal user base by offering them special things ... mandrake club being the most successful of those. The users were willing to pay varying amounts of money annually to belong and get varying access to the perks that it offered. Something like that would have worked here, I think. Instead they disrespected the beta testers (they got now more advance warning than any one else), went back on promises to implement features, continued to ignore well documented bugs that have existed since version 1.x, to name just a few of the gripes I have heard. ND Perhaps we'll all be slagging off *another* client, in another forum, ND in a few years time? I had been a very happy TB user since ver 1.5 something. I was quite happy to pay for 2 when it came out. I would recommend it to people that mentioned they were unhappy with their current mail program or were actively looking for something new. Well ... as it stands now, at least ... I will continue to be a user of the current version (2.12) for the foreseeable future. When it no longer meets my needs I will begin to look around again. For all intents and purpose, unless something changes, I would not recommend it to anyone. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What's the diff....
Hello Marck, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 8:26:42 AM, you wrote: MP The way I read it is that Home Edition is The Bat! and MP Professional Edition is SecureBat. Yes? MDP Pretty much, yes! Except from what I am reading on the beta list, the 'seccureBat' Stuff isn't all there yet. You have to buy it now and hope that they will get that all integrated and released ... before they change the number again and make you buy an upgrade ... just like they are doing now with features that were originally promised for ver 2 that you now have to buy ver 3 to get wink -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problems With Spam Filters and Filters
Hello Scott, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:05:41 AM, you wrote: SS Howdy, SS Due to my desktop crashing completly (Motherboard, HD all fried, power SS surge) I was not using The Bat to download my email and was instead SS using web based for 2.5 months. In that period, I only used web based SS and had ammassed around 4000 emails that I had not downloaded from SS POP3. SS Upon restoring my computer and The Batk Backup, I had 2.5 months worth SS of email to sort. Approx 1500 would be SPAM. I managed to manually SS click on 898 SPAM messages and move them to the junk folder. Here lies SS one problem. The rest of the SPAM in my inbox would be the pretty much SS the same, yet when I go to re-filter the messages, The Bat does not SS pick up anymore SPAM (After learning from 898) which is annoying. SS Also, my other filters no longer work, and when I create new filters SS refiltering does not work for them either...When the refilter box SS comes up it shows that all messages are being filtered which it SS weird, as this does nor occur afterwards... SS I am using The Bat v3 with the new SPAM plugin. SS Is there any clues? A couple of things ... 1.) did you train it with lots of *not* spam? It is at least as important to show it what is not spam as it is to show it spam. 2.) You mentioned restoring TB from a back up and later that you are using ver 3. Did you have an anti spam that you were using in that old back up version? You need to be meticulous in removing all traces of the old plug-in. Un-install it, clear out all the data files and directories that it created (there was data in the program tree as well as in the data tree on my 'Bayesit' anti-spam plug-in), re-add in the plug-in and now go retrain it. Not sure what problem you are having with filters ... are you sure that they are set correctly? I have ... at various times ... made mistakes on what I was filtering, where I was filtering, what action I was taking, etc. If they are 'hold overs' from the earlier version, you might try deleting all the filters and then putting them back in one at a time to see if maybe something was corrupted in the conversion/upgrade. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt download?
Hello Eddie, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:32:22 AM, you wrote: EC Dear MikeD, EC-- Mittwoch, 1. September 2004, 16:08:19: PC [http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit053.rar] That is a bit out of date. 0.5.5 is the one that is included in the 2.12 TB distribution and the latest I have seen is 0.5.11. EC I need to download v0.5.9 and don't know the exact link. Can someone EC post it please? Thanks ... I don't know if old versions are kept 'live', but if they are ... the name *should* be http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit059.rar I just got 0.5.11 a couple of weeks ago and it was bayesit0511.rar. See the pattern there? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1
Hello WilWilWil, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 9:48:26 AM, you wrote: W ==Original message text=== W From: MikeD (3) [EMAIL PROTECTED] W To: Graham Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] W Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 3:55:46 PM W Subject: [thebat] Re: v3.0 b1 M3 Hello Graham, M3 Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 5:13:28 AM, you wrote: GD Anyone got any other suggestions for mail clients ? M3 The best suggestion that I have heard is stay with 2.12. It works M3 well enough for me (but I don't need IMAP ... which was promised for 2 M3 ... wasn't it? :-/ ) W ===End of original message text=== W Stay to 2.12. OK ! And how to take advantage of the new releases with corrected bugs ? W Only persons who have paid V.3 will have the released for free ! Great operation for Ritlabs ! The announcement I received said the discount was good until Dec 1st. That should be plenty of time to see if they get enough of the bugs out and features in to justify the cost. At the moment, 2.12 works well enough that I can wait without problem g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The msi installer is giving me a problem under Xandros
Hello Anne, Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 11:17:24 AM, you wrote: A I've been using TB! under Xandros Linux (via Crossover Office) A for the better part of 6 months and it has worked fine for me. A Now I have a major problem with the upgrade to v3... I cannot A install it onto my Linux box. CO only allows installation of .exe A files and hasn't a clue what to do with the .msi one, so it looks A like I'm stuck at v2.12.0 :( A Does anyone know of a way around this at all please? BTW suggesting A going back to using Windows is *not* an option! ;) Can you fire up a version of windows long enough to get the install to work? Then you can just 'migrate' the results to your linux box. I keep a small Windows partition on most of my linux boxes for just that purpose. It is still possible to do that via a second box, but not as easy. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Retraining BayesIT from scratch
Hello Thomas, Sunday, August 29, 2004, 4:00:54 AM, you wrote: TA Hi fladdermöss, TA I've recently installed the latest version of BayesIT (0.5.11). Since TA then I've experienced sudden crashes with The Bat! I would like to TA retrain BayesIT from scratch since I think that's the problem. TA Can anyone tell me what files to delete? Should I delete everything TA under BayesIT/Base/* ? I found files in two places. One place is in the executable tree ... that is c:/program files/TheBat in a generic install (but it could be somewhere else). The other place is the data tree. For me that is c:\my documents\TheBat. Down (or is it up? g) from there, in each of those 'trees' there was a 'bayesit' directory with files and subdirectories. After un-loading (or deleting) Beyesit from the plugins menu, I had to delete *ALL* of those files and directories in both locations before I could get bayesit to work after training. Hope that helps. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit training - how long before results?
Hello Christopher, Friday, August 27, 2004, 12:32:48 PM, you wrote: CB Hi List, CB I installed bayesit 0.5.5 about a week ago. I trained it up CB on the folder of junk mail I had collected, and on the non-junk. CB Then every morning, I do a manual 'mark as junk'. To date, my junk CB folder contains 1667 messages. The total from my non-junk folders CB is about 3000. One thing the others did not mention ... Did you upgrade from an earlier version of Beyesit? I had some real problems until I uninstalled Bayesit, ruthlessly deleted every reference to it and it's data on my hard drive (I found files in the 'Programs' tree where the bat executables are located *AND* more data files in the Data store area). Once I re-added the plug in and trained it (yes you will want *LOTS* of Non-Spam to train it!) it has been working well. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: HELP -- all incoming messages are being junked!!
Hello Terry, Thursday, August 26, 2004, 11:19:40 AM, you wrote: TGM Hello Pete, TGM Thursday, August 26, 2004, 8:56:54 AM, you wrote: That did the trick. Is there another SPAM plugin available? TGM Did you happen to upgrade TB! or BayesIt! lately? TGM I had this problem when I upgraded TB! and had to retrain BayesIt! Not just retrain it. You will want to remove all traces of the old Beyesit (directories, files, etc.) before you install the new plug-in and try to train it. At least that is what I had to do before I could get it to start recognizing spam. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bayesit 0.5.11
Hello, Just installed Bayesit 0.5.11 and had a couple of problems that I thought I would share. I have managed to work around them, but hopefully it is something that can get fixed in the future. After I deleted all traces of the old version, I installed the new one, then started TB and added the plugin. everything *seemed* to be fine. Next I wanted to start training it with my saved spam, so I highlighted the 2232 spam messages I had saved for training. I watched the little 'status window' count through all those messages and *try* to close the status window. That was as far as things got. The TB and my system hung to the point where C-A-Del was needed to restart the system. End Task did not even work. OK ... so re-boot, remove bayes it and all traces of data, re-install and do the same thing using the 2545 *NON* spam messages and this worked just fine. Go figure. Everything seemed to be fine, so I went back to Spam training. But this time I processed it in blocks of between 300 and 450 messages and everything seemed to work fine. I think this has something to do with trying to move the processed messages from my holding folder to the Junk folder. When I did the spam training in those smaller blocks, the processed messages were moved from my spam archive folder to the junk folder. But when I had tried to process the whole batch at once, nothing was moved. In any event, I now seem to have a working Bayesit whew -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello DZ-Jay, Sunday, August 15, 2004, 9:31:38 AM, you wrote: DJ Some time around 08/15/2004 09:23:46, I think I heard MikeD (3) say: Hello Andre, Sunday, August 15, 2004, 6:44:17 AM, you wrote: AW Have you deleted you spam and non-spam dictionary files when you AW upgraded? Funny, that. When I first upgraded I did not and it seemed to work fine ... until I rebooted. DJ Strange... rebooting shouldn't affect anything... Well I am guessing that because I had been running the old version of Bayesit earlier in the day, that it continued to use that until I rebooted. It is the only thing that I can think of that makes sense. After that, yes, I deleted all the dict files I could find. Apparently there were two sets, one from the old version and one set from the new. DJ I had to do the same thing when upgrading from v0.4gm to DJ v0.5.4 because I was having problems. I then re-trained it on the accumulated spam and ham folders I have with about 2,000 messages each. BTW, If I give Bayesit all 2,000 messages at once to chew on, it would hang. If I gave it in chunks it seemed to work OK shrug DJ Hum... after deleting the dict files, I trained normally with DJ lots of spam/non-spam messages (I'm pretty sure it was more than DJ 2,000) without a problem. So I don't know what could have DJ happened in your case (?) DJ I personally find BayesIt extremely powerful, accurate, and DJ fast (I come from POPFile, with an accuracy of 99.6 % which DJ required a LOT of manual tuning, had quite some false positives, DJ and was VERY slow...), but what it misses it *really* misses (0%, DJ as opposed to some mid-way value). I have used several 0.4 versions and they worked great, so I am guessing that I just need to 'fix' a setting somewhere ... or at least I hope that is it g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello Pete, Sunday, August 15, 2004, 9:52:14 AM, you wrote: PH Sunday, August 15, 2004, 7:44:17 AM, you wrote: AW Hello MikeD, AW On 14 Aug 2004 at 14:47:24 -0500 GMT [21:47 CEST] you wrote: AW Have you deleted you spam and non-spam dictionary files when you AW upgraded? PH What are their names and where are they? Originally I had two sets of dictionaries. One (I assume for the old version were in c:\Program Files\TheBat\bayesit\base. The current version is creating the following files here ... c:\My Documents\BatMail\bayesit\base transact spamdict.idx nspamdict.idx spamdict.lst spamdict.bye nspamdict.lst selective.txt nspamdict.bye -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello DZ-Jay, Sunday, August 15, 2004, 10:20:52 AM, you wrote: DJ Some time around 08/15/2004 09:24:56, I think I heard MikeD (3) say: DJ I was too. I just upgraded yesterday to 0.5.9 and I haven't DJ noticed a difference. It does provide a white/black list, which I DJ don't care to use because it defeats the purpose of a Bayesian DJ filter (there's huge discussion -- more like religious wars -- DJ about this on the POPFile list hehe). Also, the kludges.txt file DJ doesn't seem to be implemented either (ignore list for headers). That's too bad sigh DJ I just learned (by re-reading a babelfished translation of DJ the russian BayesIt page) that the kludges file (whitelist of DJ kludges) does seem to work, except I misunderstood it. I thought DJ it worked like POPFile's ignore list, which ignores the DJ specified tokens when computing the probability of a message. But DJ it is not a list of just tokens, it is a list of header names DJ that will be ignored, for example, if you put in the list: DJ message-id DJ x-mailer DJ subject DJ If will ignore the values of headers that start with those DJ strings. This is very useful, though. DJ I wonder, is the ignore list in the black/white list rules DJ window what I confused the kludges list for? i.e. is it akin to DJ the POPFile ignore list? Anybody know? Hmmm ... does it just ignore those 'lines' in the header? If so, I don't think that will be a problem for me. My Kludges contains: x-spam-checker-version x-spam-level x-spam-report x-spam-status x-uidl And I don't think any of those are causing a problem. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello George, Sunday, August 15, 2004, 11:35:29 AM, you wrote: GM DZ-Jay wrote: DJ Some time around 08/15/2004 11:13:49, I think I heard Stuart Cuddy say: What is Graham? What is Spam-grade? DJ AFAIK, spam-grade would be the probability of it being spam, and DJ Graham, I suppose, means the probability of it being not-spam (I DJ suppose, non-spam-grade ham-grade graham ?) GM It might be coincidence, but Paul Graham has written much about GM Bayesian filtering. I'd guess it has something to do with his GM methodology. Even if I'm wrong, there's some interesting reading at: GM http://www.paulgraham.com/antispam.html Yes, Paul uses a slightly modified algorithm from the original Bayes. So does that mean it is calculating using both algorithms to create two values? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello Andre, Sunday, August 15, 2004, 6:44:17 AM, you wrote: AW Hello MikeD, AW On 14 Aug 2004 at 14:47:24 -0500 GMT [21:47 CEST] you wrote: AW Have you deleted you spam and non-spam dictionary files when you AW upgraded? Funny, that. When I first upgraded I did not and it seemed to work fine ... until I rebooted. After that, yes, I deleted all the dict files I could find. Apparently there were two sets, one from the old version and one set from the new. I then re-trained it on the accumulated spam and ham folders I have with about 2,000 messages each. BTW, If I give Bayesit all 2,000 messages at once to chew on, it would hang. If I gave it in chunks it seemed to work OK shrug -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello DZ-Jay, Sunday, August 15, 2004, 8:12:23 AM, you wrote: DJ Some time around 08/14/2004 22:24:58, I think I heard MikeD (3) say: What settings are you using? Under the old version (0.4gm) I had it trained and was getting most spam caught, no false positives with a Move message setting of 10. Now I have gone down as low as 1 and as high as 99 without success. DJ I started with the move message setting at 40 and continued DJ to lowered it without noticing any effect. That's when I checked DJ the BAYESIT.LOG file and realized that all messages are marked DJ with either 100/99 % or 0% probability, which means that no matter DJ how low I set the parameter, it will continue working the same. I DJ don't understand how come there is no gray area, with messages DJ marked with a, say, 30% probability, etc. I do not get any false DJ positives at all, but I do get about 4% of false negatives... At the moment, everything in the log is .99. Nothing has any other value. Does that sound right? BTW, I am using the 0.5.5 verision that came with 2.12. Should I be using the newer version that I saw mentioned? DJ I was too. I just upgraded yesterday to 0.5.9 and I haven't DJ noticed a difference. It does provide a white/black list, which I DJ don't care to use because it defeats the purpose of a Bayesian DJ filter (there's huge discussion -- more like religious wars -- DJ about this on the POPFile list hehe). Also, the kludges.txt file DJ doesn't seem to be implemented either (ignore list for headers). That's too bad sigh -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Help with BayesIt tuning
Hello DZ-Jay, Saturday, August 14, 2004, 5:31:59 PM, you wrote: DJ Some time around 08/14/2004 15:47:24, I think I heard MikeD say: The settings I used to use don't seem to work any more and I either get everything filtered as junk or nothing is filtered as junk. I trained it with about 2000 spam and 2000 ham messages and still no joy. I have tried low threshold numbers and high with out much difference. DJ That's pretty much what I get: messages are either DJ COMPLETELY spam (99 or 100 % probability) or COMPLETELY not-spam DJ (0% probability). Although mine seems to catch most (~97%) of DJ spam, out of a few hundred emails daily, so its not that bad. And DJ that's with the default settings. I'm trying to tune it to get it DJ a bit higher in accuracy, if possible, but can't seem to get much DJ help on this subject :( What settings are you using? Under the old version (0.4gm) I had it trained and was getting most spam caught, no false positives with a Move message setting of 10. Now I have gone down as low as 1 and as high as 99 without success. BTW, I am using the 0.5.5 verision that came with 2.12. Should I be using the newer version that I saw mentioned? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: BayesIt
Hello Chenoa, Monday, June 21, 2004, 12:29:31 PM, you wrote: C So how many spam and non-spam messages have you marked? I was at upwards of 1,000 posts in spam and almost that many ham posts before I was getting solid results, but this was under the earlier build. I am a bit out of date at the moment, but I wouldn't expect it to take more training in the later versions. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit 0.5.2 Rules grey How to train?
Hello Marek, Monday, April 19, 2004, 5:24:55 PM, you wrote: MM via options Mark as Junk and Mark as not Junk in Specials menu. Since we have to use this now for all the training ... is there a way to make these two functions more accessible ... like by assigning a key to each? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Bayesit 0.5.2 Rules grey How to train?
Hello Marten, Tuesday, April 20, 2004, 8:27:21 AM, you wrote: MG On Tuesday, April 20, 2004 at 2:13:52 PM, you wrote: Hello Marek, Monday, April 19, 2004, 5:24:55 PM, you wrote: MM via options Mark as Junk and Mark as not Junk in Specials menu. Since we have to use this now for all the training ... is there a way to make these two functions more accessible ... like by assigning a key to each? MG You can by using the standard keyboard shortcut additions dialogue MG thingy. OK ... the only shortcut thingie I can find is the one in the Options/preferences for Hot Keys. That doesn't seem to be the right one. No help trying to use the Help/Find command either. So where does one look for this dialog thingie? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[6]: Bayesit 0.5.2 Rules grey How to train?
Hello Marten, Tuesday, April 20, 2004, 11:16:06 AM, you wrote: MG Why it is under the View Menu I do NOT know but then sound of hand smacking forehead Doh! Umm ... thanks. Don't know why I didn't see it there originally. Probably 'cuz I didn't expect to see it there I guess :-/ -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt Spam Plugin
Hello Dan, Wednesday, March 3, 2004, 9:04:50 AM, you wrote: DG Wed, 3 Mar 2004 03:46:37 + (10:46 PM EST Tue here) Marck D Pearlstone wrote: @2-Mar-2004, 22:31 -0500 (03-Mar 03:31 UK time) Michael Rudnick [MR] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MR Is there anything else I can do to customize the plugin for my MR specific needs? |SNIP| You can also use the Configure options in the plugin interface to set specific things like disposal and trigger levels. DG Please expand: DG 1. How should to checking and/or set the levels? DG 2. What should the levels be set to? If you meant the threshold at which the filter will classify an email as spam, that is set in the Options, Preferences window. Look for the protections section about half way down the list. As to where to set it, that is something that you will need to experiment with. Mine is set low ... at 10 I think. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt Spam Plugin
Hello Lawrence, Wednesday, March 3, 2004, 11:14:17 AM, you wrote: LJ Is there any way to keep the plug-in from popping up and LJ grabbing focus every few milliseconds as mail comes in? Its a LJ battle trying to do any work while the plug-in keeps snatching LJ focus. Hmmm ... it doesn't do that for me. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: BayesIt Spam Plugin
Hello Dan, Wednesday, March 3, 2004, 3:17:25 PM, you wrote: DG Thank you, Mike. Hey, no problem. That's why we hang out here ... to help each other out. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit (was: Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?)
Hello Peter, Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 3:41:25 PM, you wrote: PO Up to the 2.04.04 release BayesIt 0.4gm worked quite fine here, with a PO score level of 40. PO Starting with 2.04.04, BayesIt 0.4gm SE hardly catches spam anymore. It PO has been trained with something like 3000 spam messages, which should be PO enough I think. I lowered the score level to 20, without improvement so PO far. I'll try your suggested level of 1 for a while. I have mine set to 10 at the moment and it seems to be doing pretty well. The big problem is that the spammers are changing tactics so often now that there are new things every couple of days sigh -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB WINE ..
Hello John, Sunday, February 15, 2004, 4:34:27 PM, you wrote: JE Hi TBUDL, JE I understand it's possible to run TB using the WINE JE code on Linux systems. What is the general verdict on JE how well this works? I have not tried it since the 1.4x version and did not do extensive testing, but it did work. I got it to send and receive messages. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
strange encodings
Hello all, I have had something strange happen twice now, so I thought I would ask and see if anyone has any ideas. I am subscribed to a mail list much like this one. Twice now when I have replied to emails from the list (going back to the list), the messages ended up being in base-64 plain text instead of 8-bit plain text. It happened the first time many months ago when I was using an older version (ver 1.46 IIRC) and then again just yesterday. I sent out three replies to the list and only the middle one had the problem. So I am guessing it has something to do with the original message. But I did not get any indication that the message I was replying to was anything other than plain text. Can anyone offer some insight into 1.) why this happens, 2.) how I can prevent it ... or at least detect when it is happening. -- Best regards, MikeD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Checking on BayesIt
Hello Stuart, Friday, January 30, 2004, 9:27:04 AM, you wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 SC Yes. There is a file called bayesit.log in your documents and settings SC folder, name, application data, bayesit (in Windows 2000). It has info SC like the following: SH Found it. TVM. SH Hmmm. SH It's very black and white; the only scores are 0, 99 and 100. Sort of. The number you might want to look at is the one just above 'Value for The Bat!:' that is labeled 'Spam-grade:' That is the one that has the actual calculation based on the key words shown below. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit
Hello Stuart, Monday, January 26, 2004, 5:29:54 AM, you wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 M3 Look in Options, Preferences. Open the Anti-spam item and near the M3 bottom are the two thresholds. I don't auto delete anything. I have M3 the transfer to junk at 10 at the moment. Works great for me. SH Found it and changed it. Thanks for that. Now let's see if Bayesit SH catches anything. SH Finally!, it caught the fist message that came in after changing the SH settings! SH Thanks for the help. Glad you got it working. I know how cool I thought it was once I had it tweeked just right and all that spam started hitting the junk folders automaticallyg -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit
Hello Stuart, Friday, January 23, 2004, 9:09:37 AM, you wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 M3 I also had to crank the M3 threshold *way* down to get reasonable results. SH How do I do that? Look in Options, Preferences. Open the Anti-spam item and near the bottom are the two thresholds. I don't auto delete anything. I have the transfer to junk at 10 at the moment. Works great for me. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Bayesit
Hi Stuart On Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 1:42 PM, shemming wrote: When should bayesit start doing it's stuff? It didn't start working well for me until I had about 1,000 messages in **both** spam and ham for it to work from. I also had to crank the threshold *way* down to get reasonable results. I currently have it set at 10 (out of 100). While that seemed a frighteningly small value, I have never gotten a false positive. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Using Linux
Hello Vishal, Monday, January 12, 2004, 4:28:45 AM, you wrote: VN Hi Granville VN Sunday, January 11, 2004, 9:50:31 PM, you wrote: GC Will The Bat! run with these programmes. VN Not directly, but maybe under Wine. Yes, I have gotten it to run under Wine with Mandrake 9.1. But I did not do extensive testing. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB ZoneAlarm - Dupes
Hello Steve, Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 6:03:47 AM, you wrote: SM Hi guys, SM Anyone have any experience configuring TB! to work with ZoneAlarm SM personal firewall and a local mail server (actually I am using Computer SM Associates EZ Personal Firewall but from what I can see it is exactly SM the same as ZoneAlarm in all but name)? SM I have a Mailtraq mail server installed and working locally on my SM machine and have everything configured so that everything works almost SM perfectly except, with the personal firewall running, every so often SM TB! will download duplicate messages from the server. There appears to SM be no pattern to which duplicate messages are retrieved i.e. they SM could be from last week or from 10 months ago. I can find no help on SM this matter from the firewall help file and cannot get the web-based SM tech support to work for me either so was hoping that someone out SM there has a similar setup that works ok. SM Incidentally, I only noticed this happening using TB! version 2.01.3 SM so rolled back to the previous version but the problem didn't go away. SM Also, with the same personal firewall installed on another machine in SM the same LAN i.e. a machine that does not have a mail server on, SM everything works OK, there are no dupes - the firewall is SM configured in exactly the same way on both machines. The presence of SM the mail server on the problem machine is obviously the key here. Turn SM off the firewall and everything works fine. SM Any ideas? Perhaps it is a problem of TB getting the messages from the local server *AND* the ISP's remote server. You might try configuring the firewall to block TB from the internet so that TB can only get to the local server. That is about the only idea that comes to mind. I use TB and the real ZAP without any issues, but I do not use a local server either. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Several Spams that will not filter.
Hello Mark, Can you filter on one of the other parts of the message? If there is a link, maybe the URL ... what about some part of the From address? But the people that suggest a more sophisticated filter like Bayesit might have the better idea g -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with Bayesit filter - connecting to ISP
Hello John, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 1:00:34 PM, you wrote: JP Hi Bat! Fans, JP Installed the Bayesit filter and trained it according to JP instructions etc. JP However since installed, I could not get a connection to my ISP. JP As soon as I removed the filter, no problems at all. JP Are there any special settings I need to know? JP I have two isp accounts as well as news through MailGate; JP connection ADSL. I can't imagine how Bayesit would interfere with connection ... it only filters the email. I didn't do anything beyond adding it and training it and have not had a problem. You might want to try downloading the file again in case there was some sort of corruption in the bayesit file. Oh ... and you do have the latest version, right (bayesit04gm.exe)?? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Palm Connection
Hello Freddie, Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 2:14:01 PM, you wrote: FF Hello All, FFI know this subject has come up several times in the past, but I FFwas wondering, if a full fledged conduit for the Palm operating FFsystem is not likely, and not being a programmer myself, if it is FFpossible to just write a script that will cull all of the addresses FFfrom the Palm desktop and update the address book in TB? You could export from the palm and then import into TB. Plain Text or CSV would probably be your best choices. But you will want to be careful about duplications. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: zonealarm and automatic mail checks - works for anyone?
Hello Vishal, Monday, September 1, 2003, 12:29:47 PM, you wrote: V Hi, V I know, I know, this has been discussed before. But has ANYONE managed to get TB V to do automatic mail checks with Zonealarm Pro installed? I'd rather not shift V to Kerio yet as ZA is otherwise an excellent firewall. ZA does not appear to be V blockign outgoing SMTP connections, so I don't know what the problem is. Yes, it works just fine for me. But I am on a newer (still beta) version so you may need to wait for the official release of the newest version. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: so is version 2 here yet .... :-)
Hello FJ, Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 2:04:14 AM, you wrote: FdB Can you (or someone else) confirm that Bayesian filtering made it into FdB the final 2.0 version? FdB I tried to look for this info on the ritlabs site but I could not find FdB any reference. Work continues on the Bayesian plug in. It is not included, though. You do have to go out and get it separately. Also the docs have not been improved yet. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: blah!
Hello Tomi, Friday, August 22, 2003, 2:53:42 PM, you wrote: icn I am sick and tired of having to kill the TB process. This has happened in icn most/all versions I have ever used and I reported it many times. Oddly, the icn support personnel I have always been in contact with suck. I used to have that problem occasionally. It seemed to be a problem with one particular email on the server. I would note where the DL stopped and then go out and delete the offending email and then things would work fine. Since I started using the beta version for 1.63 I have not had this particular problem manifest and it has been quite some time now. So you might want to give this a try. Can't address your shortcut issue, though. Sorry. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: message 100 stalls
Hello DZ-Jay, Tuesday, August 19, 2003, 5:11:02 AM, you wrote: DJ Some time around 8/18/2003 22:40:50, I think I heard Jack LaRosa say: Hello Bats!, Anyone care to hazard a guess as to what the problem might be? DJ It happens to me too, but so far I have attribute it to PopFile DJ (oh, btw, I use PopFile hehe :) causing some sort of error with DJ particular messages. Are you using PopFile too? I don't think it has anything to do with 100 ... other than there is a problem with message 100 or 101. I too have had this happen occasionally (but not on this version fingers crossed). Use the dispatch mode to look at those two messages and see if you can delete them from the server and then see if you can get the rest. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
