Re[2]: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File - Update
Hello Keith, I have send you a program, install run and look under system/performance. Have a look if here or on other pages/tabs it indicates vmm/swap or whatever isnt working... Better answer off the list... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File - Update
Hello Keith Russell, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:33:24 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 2:33:24 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Keith Russell wrote: Keith> On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:20:20 +0700, tracer wrote: >>Seems more likely a file maintenance/os error then a bat error Keith> It actually seems to be a file maintenance error caused, or at least facilitated, by The Bat! No, its 99% sure a file the bat is trying to write to/create and cannot. You could run a find over your system, search for files modified the last day and see whats there impacting the bat. Check the drive on space available (!!!), files being write protected (unlikely). Maybe even a temp directory being corrupted/filled up. >>secondly if your mail is stuck, use anything else to download so at >>least you get your mail and feel better. Keith> Yes. As you can see, I am using PMMail. I downloaded it the other day but haven't had a chance to learn any thing about Keith> it, no nothing is being filtered and I haven't figured out the navigation. Help doesn't seem to be any better than The Bat's, Keith> so I'm drowning in email. Not sure how much better I feel; maybe a little 8-). rtsp://24.94.117.6/encoder/cameraX.rm If you have realaudio maybe THIS makes you feel better and at least you can watch something(g) >>Any other crashes from other programs??? Keith> Sure, all the time. I am runing Windows, right? ;-) Well, but depending on what crashes you might be able to see whats happening. How much space left, swapfile how big and what drive? Keith> ALL my directories? You don't know how many directories I have! in the bat obviously, the mailfolders. >>as it is, your error seems to say what it is, a file is being created >>and cannot. So its something, no space, write protected, too many >>files in a box which prevents it. Keith> Yes, that is what it sounds like, isn't it? But then why does it work the second (or third, or fourth) time I try? Attachments?? >>You could install the BAT in a different place and download from there >>and see if it works. Keith> That's a VERY good suggestion. I will give it a try. >>As said above, to me its an OSfile maintenance error Keith> Don't know Ok, call it an Os/user related error (g) Keith> Thanks. Keith> Keith Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!
Hello Steve Lamb, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 23:12:50 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 2:12:50 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 7:43:06 PM, tracer wrote: >> Actually I would like the bat to do it with a buildin or addon locally >> running SMTP server, ie not involving the isp. Steve> *cough* Uhm, very bad idea. I would rather see RIT put a full browser Steve> into TB! than put in an SMTP server. why a bad idea? I would prefer an easy external way to do it but sofar I havent seen one Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Scoring
Hello Nick Andriash, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:36:21 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 1:36:21 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Nick Andriash wrote: Nick> On Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 9:09:34 PM, tracer wrote: >> Why do you think that? Nick> For no other reason than a feeling I get from talking to other Agent users Nick> and reading the Agent Newsgroups. There hasn't been any official word from Nick> the developers, aside from hearsay, that there is ongoing development. Nick> I've been using Agent for years, but unless I hear something definitive, Nick> and soon, I'll be migrating over to Gravity. Ok, I donot read the Agent groups but I do run the latest version. If its really going to be dead... Thanks. Nick> Nick Nick> --- Nick> -=Nick Andriash=- Nick> MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nick> MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nick> PGP Keys available from KeyServers Nick> --- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: envelope priority colours
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:08:46 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 1:08:46 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas> Hi tracer, Thomas> On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:58:18 +0700GMT (12/01/2000, 13:58 +0800GMT), Thomas> tracer wrote: t>> The current icon for not read to read mail changes but its virtually t>> impossible to see the colour of prioritised emails after being read. t>> Could the red part om the sideflaps be made darker? t>> After having read an email I still like to see which were important t>> just in case I forget to answer one Thomas> Alternatively, you can also add the Priority column to the message Thomas> list (right click on the columns header). It will show the priority Thomas> flag. ;-) already too many things visible and as the colour is already in the icon, just making it more visible (16 bit) would help Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: FETCH - Could Not Create Output File - Update
Hello Keith Russell, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:35:50 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 12:35:50 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Keith Russell wrote: Keith> Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. Keith> The problem I reported six days ago has grown steadily worse. Keith> Tonight, The Bat! became impossible to use. I started with 275 Keith> messages to download. The first three times I tried, it hung on the Keith> very first message. It then proceeded to download about 10 Keith> messages at a time before generating the above error. Seems more likely a file maintenance/os error then a bat error secondly if your mail is stuck, use anything else to download so at least you get your mail and feel better. Any other crashes from other programs??? Thirdly, have you checked all your directories?. maybe a file is present which is supposed to be overwritten and which is write protected. Or a Anti virus program being triggered while downloading. as it is, your error seems to say what it is, a file is being created and cannot. So its something, no space, write protected, too many files in a box which prevents it. You could install the BAT in a different place and download from there and see if it works. As said above, to me its an OSfile maintenance error Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: SMTP server (was:Re: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!)
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:45:51 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 12:45:51 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas> Hi tracer, Thomas> On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:43:06 +0700GMT (12/01/2000, 11:43 +0800GMT), Thomas> tracer wrote: >>>> Fetching and sending mail could be done using external dedicated program. >>>> For the convinience of users it could be great to implement a way to >>>> communicate with the mail server. Steve>>> Actually, it is done by external dedicated programs. They're called SMTP Steve>>> servers. ;) t>> Actually I would like the bat to do it with a buildin or addon locally t>> running SMTP server, ie not involving the isp. Thomas> I have read this about an external SMTP server not being necessary Thomas> already in another thread but that was about unix. Do you - does Thomas> anybody - know whether this is technically possible in a proggy like Thomas> TB, running under Win? Sendmail for windows exists and they also have Perl and other stuff. No idea if it works, I have never tried it. On the other hand several programs have the smtp build in, Speedmail is one of them (I still have a beta somewhere), and some spamming mail programs also use them. Again I probably have some of them... At least I think I used one for my mailing list last year... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: suggestion- / wish-list
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:42:33 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 12:42:33 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas> Hi tracer, t>> (snipped) Thomas> ^^^ Thomas> Wow! Thomas> Tracer you surprise me! And I always thought the crtl-Y key or Thomas> mark&delete on your computer is broken! ;-))) It isnt but considering the may threads/sub-threads I HAVE to chop. I get too much mail. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
envelope priority colours
Wednesday, January 12, 2000 Hello Bat-users, The current icon for not read to read mail changes but its virtually impossible to see the colour of prioritised emails after being read. Could the red part om the sideflaps be made darker? After having read an email I still like to see which were important just in case I forget to answer one Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 NO MICROSOFT VIRUS INFECTIONS mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: suggestion- / wish-list
Hello John Sullivan, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 03:28:19 + GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 10:28:19 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, John Sullivan wrote: John> Ah, I'll just get them added to Notepad. Won't be a minute! Gator and several others have a notepad.exe which if notepad is called kicks the replacing editor into action. Steve, any idea what editors you have seen under windows which might do the job as external editors for the Bat?? Presumably calling a different editor with a fake notepad.exe shouldnt be that complicated to arange Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Scoring
Hello Nick Andriash, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:16:08 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 10:16:08 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Nick Andriash wrote: Nick> Besides, I'm not so sure Agent will be supported for much longer. Thanks. Why do you think that? Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Scoring
Hello Steve Lamb, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:30:56 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 9:30:56 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Just two things I wanted to add about scoring. Steve> 1: Gravity also has scoring. Of the two, XNews and Gravity, I think Gravity Steve> it is easier to configure scoring for the neophytes out there. XNews takes a Steve> more traditional approach to the score file. Steve> 2: It does take a while to get into scoring. When I was first introduced to Steve> the concept I didn't think it would be of much value. It took me a good month Steve> or two of using SLRN to develop my own feel of how scoring would help on news Steve> reading. At one point in PMMail's development I advocated scoring for email, Steve> especially mailing lists, but have yet to decide on a decent way to implement Steve> it independant of email filters. the reason I say they should be independant Steve> is because of my avocation of using a standard set of regex filters to catch Steve> mailing list mail. Hard to put a specific score on a general filter. ;) I would expect the scoring to have to run after the filtering... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: bug in TOFNAME macro
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:42:35 + GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 5:42:35 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck> Look: If you are using TB internationally, don't use local naming Marck> conventions in the address book - use international ones. We all live Marck> in an international community out here in WebsVille and have to make Marck> some compromises. OTOH, if you are using TB only locally, use Marck> Hungarian naming convention and change the way you use the Marck> internationally biased macros. The only "bug" is in the way you are Marck> expecting TB to behave. Marck> This stuff is fact, not opinion and if you want to argue more with me Marck> about it, please take it off-list and reply privately. Just one suggestion, make an address book for local Hungarian usage. Wouldnt that do the trick? Marck> Cheers, Marck> Marck Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: ERROR ... please help ...
Hello Nick Andriash, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:23:32 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 5:23:32 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Nick Andriash wrote: Nick> On Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 1:58:46 PM, Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: >> Hello The Bat! ML, >> Suddenly the bat gave me an error, that there would be a problem >> with my inbox and there is one file left there called bad4141.TMP >> ... how can I repeair it ... please it's my inbox!!! help me!! Nick> Sorry I can't help you out with your problem, but I noticed that your Nick> message appeared with a red coloured message flag. This is the first time Nick> I've seen that... does anyone know why it would have that red colour? URGENT flag. My Expartner used it on all his mails but it didnt help, for me it was the red flag to put it aside till I was in the mood to read another rude msg... Nick> Nick Nick> --- Nick> -=Nick Andriash=- Nick> MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nick> MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nick> PGP Keys available from KeyServers Nick> --- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[3]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!
Hello Claudius Regn, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:15:51 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 4:15:51 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Claudius Regn wrote: Claudius> Hello Steve, SL>> clients have a rotten core. Sure, they look pretty, but bite into it, really SL>> sink your teeth into it and you find it is sour inside with no substance. Claudius> I don't think so. Almost all mail clients do perfectly offer all the Claudius> options you described -- and George described to be besic features. NOT if like me you add requirements like many msgs per day, being able to find stuff back etc etc. Eudora blew up on a lot less then I have now. SL>> TB! is good in some areas (database management) than other clients and SL>> worse in other areas (IMAP). Claudius> I'd rather have spell checking than IMAP. I'd rather have html-viewing Claudius> than IMAP. Spell checkers can be plugins I thought, several other products do that. I see nothing wrong with the current HTML viewing, if I want to see it properly I can open it with my browser or go on the web. Again, one could make it a switch, open with The bat or open with external browser and specify which one... Editors: Has anyone used Gator/Multiedit/Ultra edit for mail? Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: ERROR ... please help ...
Hello Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:58:46 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 4:58:46 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: Clemens> Hello The Bat! ML, Clemens> Suddenly the bat gave me an error, that there would be a problem Clemens> with my inbox and there is one file left there called bad4141.TMP Clemens> ... how can I repeair it ... please it's my inbox!!! help me!! if the mentioned repair utility doesnt work... 1. try copy to a different name first 2. try opening with quickview plus or anything suitable, hex editor?? to see if there is any data in it if there is no data in that file, there is nothing to recover. If there is, several tools exist to get your data out but likely not to another inbox. More importantly, WHY did this happen. Did you have a system crash? Enough ram??? Clemens> Best regards, Clemens Clemens> written with TheBat! 1.38e Clemens> on Windows 98, 4 10 Clemens> Build A Clemens> on Tuesday, January 11, 2000 at 10:58:00 PM Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!
Hello Oliver Sturm,
On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:59:38 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 1:59:38 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Oliver Sturm wrote:
Oliver> Hi all,
Oliver> IMHO, this is mainly loads of discussion about a piece of software
Oliver> that's supposedly arriving somewhere in the near future. What I
Oliver> noticed about the interview was mainly that there is no single hard
Oliver> fact about that piece of software available. There's some "of course
Oliver> this will be in it" and "that has a high priority", but I didn't get
Oliver> the impression there will be anything to really look at in the next
Oliver> few months at least.
Oliver> So, what new features will TB 1.40 bring? That seems more interesting
Oliver> to me.
Agreed, I think the whole interview was meant to make us discuss what
we think of several proposals. NOT a review of what is written
already
They want the feedback on what to put in and what not
NOT to discuss whats already in it
Many answers indicated that they can do things in very different ways
and they arent sure yet.
This means to me the program is still very much in the design stage
and it could take them another 3 months before it looks like anything
we want to use...
Especially as with the mailboxes it will be a one way trip.
Oliver> IMVHO, of course.
Oliver> Oliver Sturm
Oliver> --
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Oliver> Key ID: 71D86996
Oliver> Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996
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Re[2]: suggestion- / wish-list
Hello Steve Lamb, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:51:27 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 4:51:27 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 1:05:47 PM, Owen wrote: >> Why not complain (snipped) Steve> Yeah. I've been working on a variety of unix and unix-like systems for Steve> the past 10 years. Considering I can get up to an acceptable level of Steve> productivity in a new editor in approximately an hour provided they have a Steve> decent help system I don't see why any computer professional would whine about Steve> an editor being "non-standard"[*]. Well, I agree but under Dos/windows I draw the line at edlin. When I saw that monstrosity with the first sample PC's I had them convert a proper editor very fast An Ascii editor and I still use it.. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:43:31 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 4:43:31 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Alexander> Therefore I wish to solidarize with those who are *against* adding HTML Alexander> editing, news-reading, virus-checking and web-browsing capabilities. I think Alexander> these are *bad ideas*. IMHO, of course;-) HTML editing, 100% against it... Let them do it in Notepad (g) if they want/can. I would like to see a newsreader though, but not merged as anything multi threading / multiserver would speed my gathering of files/news up. Essentially system throughput from the news server is better. But I wouldnt want it in the mail program. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:57:24 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 1:57:24 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: LG>>>>>>> - Will v2.0 support hooks for virus scanning attachments to messages? SL>>>>> *VERY* Bad. RB>>> Why the heck (sorry) is that "*VERY* bad"?? That's something very RB>>> useful, IMHO. MA>> Because it's not necessary, any good scanner will scan your mail MA>> database anyway. Thomas> I agree with this. It will only your system down. Supposing you have Thomas> an active virus-scanner running anyway, which you should. :-) 100 agreed, but on the other hand if they arange a plugin ie, like the editor debate, use internal one, external one, or none, I donot mind. I have sofar never been caught by a virus but on the other hand I dump exe's, docs, xls and all that stuff direct in the bin unless its archived. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!
Hello Steve Lamb, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:09:14 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 2:09:14 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 10:55:44 AM, George wrote: >> Fetching and sending mail could be done using external dedicated program. >> For the convinience of users it could be great to implement a way to >> communicate with the mail server. Steve> Actually, it is done by external dedicated programs. They're called SMTP Steve> servers. ;) Actually I would like the bat to do it with a buildin or addon locally running SMTP server, ie not involving the isp. Steve>Or constantly burnt the coffee. ;) Or constantly having to tweak it to keep it running... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: International HTML preview coding system
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 23:53:20 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 12, 2000, 3:53:20 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Alexander> Care to write a formal bug report now?;-) Alex, maybe they fix it if there are more paying customers from Russia(g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: TBUDL@THEBAT.DUTAINT.COM is a private mailing list
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:37:20 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 4:37:20 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas> Hi tracer, Thomas> The answer to your question was in your mail: I was very busy and it looks like I marked some mails as read to speed reading them up... Thomas> ;-) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: TBUDL@THEBAT.DUTAINT.COM is a private mailing list
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 02:20:16 + GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 9:20:16 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck> Hi Watcher, Marck> On 11 January 2000 at 20:16:54 GMT -0500 (which was 01:16 where I Marck> live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: W>> I have not sent a message to this list for a LONG time... weeks, W>> maybe a month yet I still get this message every day. Could we stop W>> it now? >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a moderator or member of this list. >>> Only a moderator or member may post to this list. Marck> I have (as temporary measure) turned off the responder which issues Marck> this rejection message to posters with the wrong Reply-To address. Marck> This means that anyone trying to post who isn't a member will *not* Marck> see a rejection message. Why should that be a problem ? I mean if they are on the list they donot get rejected and if they arent they shouldnt be posting! As almost anyone gets to know about this mailing list via the website where they have to sybscribe what are the chances of getting a non member to post to the correct address??? Marck> Is anyone out there still using the TBUDL list address as their Marck> Reply-To when posting? Marck> Cheers, Marck> Marck Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!
Hello Mark Worsham, On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:37:15 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 7:37:15 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Mark Worsham wrote: Mark> Hi Mark - Mark> If they say that they can add functionality without bloating the code, who am I Mark> to argue? If any of you guys that are complaining about the added functionality Mark> causing code bloat want to send me the e-mail program that you wrote, I'll be Mark> more than happy to try it. :) Well, as it seemingly took one month to make the first bat.... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[3]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!
Hello Jason Thompson, On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:16:51 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 7:16:51 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jason Thompson wrote: Jason> I guess what I'm mainly trying to say is that I would be a bit weary Jason> about some potentially bloating features being added to TB, but I have Jason> faith in RITLabs to make these new features as efficient and compact as Jason> possible. They have been successfully doing this so far. Besides, I Jason> think creating a all-in-one 10mb download bloat program is probably Jason> against RITLabs' ethics altogether. :) where you think that code comes from? it first has to be written!! To generate 10 mb of output, you have to write a LOT of code unless if like MS you just dump some 5 mb dll's or whatever from other programs in it... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!
Hello Mark Aston, On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:59:11 + GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 6:59:11 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Mark Aston wrote: Mark> Hi Steve, Mark> Monday, January 10, 2000, 11:45:12 PM, you wrote: SL>> Monday, January 10, 2000, 3:30:32 PM, Mark wrote: >>> Gone:-( SL>> And this is supposed to mean, what, exactly? Mark> Basically I got more depressed with every item of that interview, I Mark> really like The Bat! as it is and would hate to see it become a Mark> bloated "do it all" type app, I suppose there is the option of Mark> staying with a version 1.xx? but that does not really appeal. Any Mark> suggestions for another Windows MUA that come close to TB, as it Mark> is now? Whats wrong with v1.x which is unbearable?? I think the whole interview was more to evoke reactions then to tell us what really happens as it seems to me a significant amount of code hasnt even been written yet... it wouldnt surprise me if a real beta could be a 3 months away unless you want to talk about running real buggy stuff. As long as the emailer part works fine, relatively bug free and in the way I want, I donot HAVE to use a newsreader or whatever part and 30k of code is not interfering with my mail... On the other hand, a lot of people may not want to upgrade to use a version where the improvments are things they donot want to use. It would have to be a real good newsreader to get me to switch from Agent. Besides I already paid for it so why change. HTML: Its difficult to avoid not having it as an email client, but on the other hand if it supports external editors, what does it matter. Can you imagine anyone using notepad or whatever to write an email in html?? Or Multiedit/Ultraedit or whatever one likes... I am more interested in not having to receive them in HTML. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Interview with RITLabs! Finally!
Hello Mark Worsham, On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:47:47 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 11, 2000, 4:47:47 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Mark Worsham wrote: Mark> Hi Leif - Mark> Monday, January 10, 2000, 3:13:39 PM, you wrote: LG>>> - How many of the items on the wish list are going to be addressed in LG>>> v2.0 that I didn't cover above? LG>> I really cannot answer this question now, because v2 is going to be LG>> very different. What I can say now is that I personally promise to LG>> read the wish list carefully and do my best in fulfilling all wishes LG>> (I think other our guys would agree with me). Mark> Wow. Can't wait until they get it out for testing. reading the interview and the gmama testing stage and that of many things they seemingly donot know what or how it will do things, I wonder how much of the code is really ready... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 Beta/1 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Mailing List filters
Hello Steve Lamb, On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:49:56 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 10, 2000, 11:49:56 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Sunday, January 09, 2000, 10:27:00 PM, tracer wrote: >> I thought you ran Linux Steve> I do. My shell is zsh. Bash is too much of a bloated pig. agreed... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: New User Questions
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev, On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:18:13 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 10, 2000, 11:18:13 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Alexander> Hi there! Alexander> On 10 Jan 00, at 20:59, Lone-Wolf wrote Alexander> about "New User Questions": >> I am sure that this would be of assistance to a great many people, >> as the Bat is chock full of features. Alexander> This is my own point also: quality PDF is usually way better then the help file; Alexander> besides, it might be printed as a book... Nothing prevents anyone to print the help file to PDF or run a conversion... Asuming its kind of complete. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: RITLABS interview almost...
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:05:22 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 10, 2000, 2:05:22 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas> Hi Leif, Thomas> On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:52:51 +0900GMT (10/01/2000, 07:52 +0800GMT), Thomas> Leif Gregory wrote a lot of stuff that resulted in a lot of Thomas> assumptions... Thomas> Enough teasing - when can we read the interview? ;-) Thats not important, when do we get the v2!! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Redirecting/Forwarding mail to Groups (was: Re: Default column properties)
Hello Roel, On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:05:50 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 10, 2000, 1:05:50 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Roel wrote: MH>> And where the heck is this stuff documented? Roel> don't know that - maybe in V2 ;-) Linux As far as I know none of that stuff is in the current bat.. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[3]: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hello dMb, On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 11:42:37 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 11:42:37 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, dMb wrote: dMb> Steve wrote: >> BTW, CNTL-ALT-DEL in NT is to login. dMb> Grrr. dMb> I thought that this was a joke when I first saw it. To be honest my post was partly mean as a joke(g) dMb> But let's not even go there. dMb> Derek, who still has a problem pressing those keys when logging on at dMb> work. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Mailing List filters
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev, On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:52:44 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 10:52:44 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Alexander> Hi there! Alexander> On 9 Jan 00, at 4:02, Steve Lamb wrote Alexander> about "Re: Mailing List filters": >> Saturday, January 08, 2000, 12:25:01 PM, Alexander wrote: >> > You got it right. Just Steve is dreaming aloud, as it's characteristic for him;-) >> >> Hey now, I thought it was characteristic of me to bash everything and >> never say anything positive. At least that is what someone said about me >> recently. :P That was a side-efefect of your celebrations... Alexander> Seems it wasn't me. I never use the word "bash";-) But hey, *don't* you bash Alexander> everything when dreaming? I somehow doubt this;-)) I thought you ran Linux Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hello Steve Lamb, On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:47:11 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 9:47:11 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 09:41:09PM +0700, tracer wrote: >> The only thing which almost always works... Steve> Never hardlocked your machine, I take it? Or had windows intercept it and Steve> cheerily tell you you're waiting for Windows to display the right dialog... Steve> yet have windows lock so it never will? I said ALMOST always... And my best friend as last resort is the big button on my front panel... Steve> BTW, CNTL-ALT-DEL in NT is to login. Steve> ok but that normally also works Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Mailing List filters
Hello Steve Lamb,
On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:45:09 -0800 GMT your local time,
which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 9:45:09 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Steve Lamb wrote:
Steve> On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 08:43:49PM +0700, tracer wrote:
>> No idea, I use one filter per mailing list and send them to folders
>> in an account which will never dial out or in called mailing lists...
>> As far as I can see you have no way of getting all mailing lists in
>> one go and if you could it would cost me a LOT more time making the
>> expression then to make an extra filter...
Steve> Then you don't know regex, do you?
You mean in the BAT???
I thought they just added regex?
Call my way historically grown (g) but it works...
I agree though its not the neatest way...
Steve> Here's the perlized version to catch
Steve> all lists off listar, majordomo and LSERV.
Well but what about the BAT? If I was running Linux for my mail its
easy...
Steve> if (($line =~ m/^X-List: (.*)/) ||
Steve> ($line =~ m/^Sender: owner-(.*)@/) ||
Steve> ($line =~ m/^Sender: (.*)-owner@/)){
Steve> $filter_to = $account/Mailing Lists/$1;
Steve> }
Steve> I could, if I felt like it, merge all that into one regex, but sometimes
Steve> it is faster to compile three simpler regex instead of one complex one. That
Steve> logic, along with the ability to use the register results in the folder area,
Steve> would catch most of the email list traffic out there.
Yes, but is it for the average user easier then just adding filters??
While I donot mind a more elegant/complex setup myself, my experience
sofar with computers is that the easier and simpler and splitup a
suggested route is, the less chance the users end up messing it up
causing in most cases Me extra work...
And I myself am distinctly lazy when it comes to doing things like
this... ie, if it works: fine, if I get annoyed by it, and that happens
more and more, then I will sit down and revamp my setup.
Steve> Took me <1 minute to make that pseudo code. Takes me about the same time
Steve> to make one filter. I have over 30 lists on my two accounts. ~30 minutes
Steve> compared to ~1 minute. Which is faster agian? :)
So whats the exact setup you use with the Bat? ie with real code?
I donot mind plugging it in , adjusting it to what I use and see if it
works better or not.
I am very felxible when it comes to dumping my way of doing things if
I see a better way exists which works...
And will your setup do something I want to do, ie dump mail which has
sender=receiver etc?
I have some more spam left to get rid off!
Best regards,
tracer
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Re[2]: Mailer Daemon and other confusing stuff....
Hello Jast, On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:30:52 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 10, 2000, 3:30:52 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jast wrote: Jast> Morning tracer, Jast> My filter: Jast> Kill filter Jast> Detect by: Subject Jast> signal strings: @THEBAT.DUTAINT.COM is a private mailing list Jast> Rule is: active Jast> Anyone get what is wrong? I tend to filter out what I want to keep so if all goes correct after running through my filter list it ends up in the end being zapped as spam or other stuff I donot want and anything passing the lot is ending up in the inbox. I would say check the order of your filters as the more strict you can make the ones to KEEP stuff, the better the chance that whats left is unwanted. And easier to check on. I get maybe one/2 spams per day at present and I get now at least 450 emails per day thanks to this list and a few linux lists getting close to a v7 release... Very little left I donot want and I just keep those in case the bat v2 allows me to zap more like sender=receiver (almost certainly spam!!). Ideal to stick all that undesirable stuff together in a folder as you can then refilter on it without hitting NEW mail you would want to keep while experimenting... So move that maildemon stuff you donot want to a directory and experiment what you need to refilter with to get rid of it and test it with some copied emails as well. Normally I first copy during tests (saves me recreating the file) and when that works I make it zap, run it over my spam folder and if it gets killed, as it should, well thats one more... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[3]: Mailer Daemon and other confusing stuff....
Hello Moosebreath, On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:20:00 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 10, 2000, 3:20:00 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Moosebreath wrote: Moosebreath> Plus that, if the it was a member of itself, it might spam Moosebreath> itself and then it would send us the "you can't do that, you're Moosebreath> not a member" emails. Just think of the possibilities! I do (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hello Steve Lamb, On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:25:51 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 6:25:51 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Friday, January 07, 2000, 7:19:35 PM, John wrote: >> I hope they read Microsoft's documents on good Object Model design, >> and the value of automation. And, unlike Microsoft, follow that >> advice. Steve> I hope they neither read nor follow anything from Microsoft. MS has not Steve> built anything decent, ever. They did: Control-Alt-Delete. The only thing which almost always works... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Filters order - was - Re: Wish list from a new user of The Bat
Hello Andrew K. Lovetski, On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:27:47 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 3:27:47 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote: Andrew> Hello, The Bat Users! TF>>>> - "Kill file". Right clicking on a message automatically sets TF>>>> up a filter moving messages by that author into a specified TF>>>> box. >>> You've already got that - hit Ctrl-Shift-F in the message list window >>> when you've marked the appropriate message and a dialog pops up asking >>> you what criteria to use and where to move it to (a simplified version >>> of the Account|Sorting Office/Filters menu command). Doesnt seem to work on my system . Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Mailer Daemon and other confusing stuff....
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:48:29 + GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 10:48:29 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck> More than that ... it was the cause IMHO! It looks to the server as if Marck> the list was the sender of the message (and not a valid list member) Marck> hence the message rejecting the posting. Marck> Messages *to* the list must come *from* the subscriber *Reply-To* the Marck> subscriber. The server itself will change the Reply-To when Marck> re-distributing postings. what about making the server a list member??? Marck> Cheers, Marck> Marck Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: (OT) http://www.dials.ru/dsav/english/2000/00_index.htm
Hello Quin Selman, On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:43:23 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 10:43:23 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Quin Selman wrote: Quin> Hello tracer, Quin> Saturday, January 08, 2000, 6:03:12 PM, you wrote: t>> There is now an English New Year present for those who couldnt get t>> Alex's Russian version to work... t>> http://www.dials.ru/dsav/english/2000/00_index.htm Quin> The links don't work. FTP directory not found. Just heard this from a friend as well. Sorry, it was there this morning... I didnt download them, as I had more urgent things to get and the russian versions were working... ALEX, any ideas??? Quin> Best regards, Quin> Quinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Quin> --- Quin> "When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another Quin> mind that thinks and acts as yours does is something close to a Quin> blessed event."- Robert Pirsig Quin> --- Quin> Running The Bat!1.38e on Windows95 4.00.950a, P133,88MB EDO RAM Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
ref crashing on expanding the bat on install
Sunday, January 09, 2000 Hello Bat-users, A while ago someone had this problem and I had this problem today. That Italian box I mentioned before found its way back to me.. Totally unstable and after I replaced the motherboard it was worse. Considering I expected to be paid for an hours work and a board and it cost me all afternoon, I wasnt happy! After messing around, rebuilding his system, etc, I removed one pair of his ram strips and problem disappeared... So presumably he had blown a ramstrip or strips AND a hard disk and a serial port.. Whatever, if anyone gets this problem on trying to install the bat or the language pack, misbehaving ram can be a reason... Doesnt have to be a virus when you get a crc error!! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e NO MICROSOFT VIRUS INFECTIONS mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: TBUDL@THEBAT.DUTAINT.COM is a private mailing list
Hello Werner Arts, On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:00:57 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 5:00:57 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Werner Arts wrote: Werner> Hi MDaemon, Werner> What's the hell is this? >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Mime-Version: 1.0 >> X-Actual-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Precedence: bulk >> X-MDMailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> X-MDSend-Notifications-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> X-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia >> X-List-Command: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not a moderator or member of this list. Only a >moderator or member may post to this list. You are talking to a computer... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Mailer Daemon and other confusing stuff....
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Sun, 9 Jan 2000 02:20:16 + GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 9:20:16 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck> Hi Allie, Marck> IOW I don't really know what to do about it until Syafril comes back Marck> on site in a couple of weeks (unless he can suggest something Marck> remotely). I don't really understand myself quite why it happens, but Marck> it doesn't happen to many of us AFAICS. I think I am getting them but they get dumped unseen so no idea if they still come in... Marck> Cheers, Marck> Marck Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: Mailer Daemon and other confusing stuff....
Hello Allie Martin, On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:17:56 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 8:17:56 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Allie Martin wrote: Allie> *pouting and frowning* Allie> See you all soon... AFTER this gets fixed. Till then, everyone keep on emailing cos I am still Allie> reading! Ciao... I filter them out as spam Allie> Regards, Allie> ~~~Angel Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[3]: TBUDL@THEBAT.DUTAINT.COM is a private mailing list
Hello Oliver Sturm, On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:08:52 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 3:08:52 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Oliver Sturm wrote: Oliver> -- Oliver> %make love PLEASE donot post the rest of that manual (g) Oliver> Make: Don't know how to make love. Stop. Oliver> -- Oliver> Oliver Sturm / <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oliver> Key ID: 71D86996 Oliver> Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Mailing List filters
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev, On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:25:01 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 3:25:01 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Alexander> Hi there! Alexander> On 8 Jan 00, at 22:24, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote Alexander> about "Mailing List filters": >> Steve Lamb wrote: >> > I prefer to have one regex filter that would catch mailing list mail >> > and filter it into a folder under the "Mailing Lists" folder using >> > the name of the mailing list that sent it. That way when I add new >> > mailing lists I don't have to add a new filter. If I want the mail >> > from a particular list to go elsewhere, I'll then create a filter to >> > run before the "catch-all mailing lists" filter. >> > >> How can I setup such a filtering system? AFAIS, I can specify only a >> particular folder to put messages in. No regexps are allowed in >> folder's name... Or is it not possible in the current version of TB? Alexander> You got it right. Just Steve is dreaming aloud, as it's characteristic for him;-) No idea, I use one filter per mailing list and send them to folders in an account which will never dial out or in called mailing lists... As far as I can see you have no way of getting all mailing lists in one go and if you could it would cost me a LOT more time making the expression then to make an extra filter... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: All About TheBat
Hello Alexander V. Kiselev, On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 22:39:37 +0300 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 2:39:37 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: Alexander> Hi there! Alexander> On 8 Jan 00, at 19:56, Andreas Rumpenhorst wrote Alexander> about "Re[2]: All About TheBat": >> JT> Well, that is a very nice forum indeed. Very well made. >> >> Besides: it takes AGES for a page to load and makes it rather uncomfortable >> to read the messages. >> >> The other thing is: I can't access the pages with Netscapes Navigator, only >> IE works... :-( Alexander> Ah, then it's not for me. I haven't got IE here at all. I'm a Netscape fan:-) Alexander> Oh well, I just *hate* active content I donot get active contents, its kicked out by at guard... Alexander> Besides, AFAIK many people here Alexander> prefer Opera... I'll bet what Netscape doesn't render Opera won't, too:-) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: All About TheBat
Hello Erik Ommundsen, On Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:33:16 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 2:33:16 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Erik Ommundsen wrote: Erik> Hello Jason, Erik> We do not want to compete with the fabolous mailinglists, but to Erik> create an alternative discussion forum for those who don't like Erik> mailinglists. Well, for me internet access is expensive so web browsing is simply not wanting to read mail. But on the other hand why not establish a newsgroup? Only problem is that it becomes difficult to keep spammers out... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Newbie Stuff
Hello Moosebreath, On Sat, 08 Jan 2000 11:12:57 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 09, 2000, 2:12:57 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Moosebreath wrote: Moosebreath> Hello BAT, Moosebreath> It may be long winded here, but here it is... Moosebreath> A little history. I was a Eudora user for a number of years, it Moosebreath> was almost the only game in town for quite a while. With the 4.2 Moosebreath> update and up, they seem to be adding 2 bugs for every feature. Moosebreath> Pure "Bugs Life". Major things like crashes, hang ups and Moosebreath> intermittent stuff. I had that since 4.0... memory leaks especially if you had a lot of mail and it got so bad my windows frooze within a few minutes of opening Eudora. I have a lot of memory/hard disk space but when openend system leaked with 1 mb/sec and there is nothing which can cope with that (g) Moosebreath> In looking around for a reliable replacement, I started using Moosebreath> Outlook 2000, it's already there, it is pretty but filters Moosebreath> just don't do the job and it's just too much of everything. Coorect besides being a Virus heaven... >>From there I go to Pegasus, a real screamer of a program. Moosebreath> I had so many mailboxes in Eudora and Pegasus doesn't have Moosebreath> an import feature and even an external program that was Moosebreath> really an answer. I had to give up on that early. Moosebreath> I started using Calypso. I would call it a competent program Moosebreath> even though it's po-poed on the list group. To my amazement, Moosebreath> I find out it doesn't support MAPI and I have to use it for Moosebreath> some applications. Then I see that the filtering is weak and Moosebreath> I use filtering extensively. It does have a pretty clean interface. wait till you need their support (g) Moosebreath> Then The Bat! At a glance the interface looks like a simple Moosebreath> program. I install it and now I consider it home although for Moosebreath> the new user, it's really confusing on some points. Moosebreath> Now, I'm looking for some features and maybe they already in Moosebreath> the bat but can't seem to find them. Moosebreath> I used to be able to edit a message and save it where it sits, Moosebreath> doesn't look like a way to do that. It sits in outbox as saved waiting for you to finish it. I myself would like a proper box for that but anyway, it works well. Moosebreath> I'd like to be able to set up multiple accounts (I have 4), and Moosebreath> use 1 set of mailbox folders with the option of using specific Moosebreath> ones inside the other accounts. Nothing prevents you to generate multiple accounts from the same internet server/account but with filters separate incoming mail and send via different servers out, with different masks to replay with. Just donot download the same server with both accounts wanting same mail.. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
(OT) http://www.dials.ru/dsav/english/2000/00_index.htm
Hello Batusers There is now an English New Year present for those who couldnt get Alex's Russian version to work... http://www.dials.ru/dsav/english/2000/00_index.htm tracer -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: RITLABS interview almost...
Hello Steve Lamb, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:13:48 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 08, 2000, 12:13:48 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Friday, January 07, 2000, 8:56:27 AM, Allie wrote: >> IOW's Steve, don't even think about it? :)) Steve> Well, considering the historical precedence of "suites" only two come to Steve> mind that were even moderately successful. Steve> 1: Microsoft "Office". Of course, this is because of their monopoly position Steve> and leverage of that position. Steve> 2: PalmOS. Of course, again, it is because of the "monopoly" position that Steve> the PalmOS includes the suite by default and since it is ROM it is hard to Steve> delete those applications in the first place. ;) Please donot give them good ideas, Imagine office or windows in ROM... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: RITLABS interview almost...
Hello Steve Lamb, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:40:42 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 11:40:42 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Friday, January 07, 2000, 1:42:38 AM, tracer wrote: >> I hope they realise that the best way to sell it is to get it used and >> the sooner we can start playing and find bugs the better. Steve> "Release early, release often." Steve> Wow, someone advocating the Open Source model of development to a Steve> commercial vendor? Whodathunkit? :) NO, I say finding and fixing bugs... Anyway, I never advocated the open source model for a thing like this. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: SOT Compuserve POP (was: Re[3]: anyone tried using the bat to get aol emails?)
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:56:24 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 4:56:24 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas> Hi tracer, Thomas> On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:45:39 +0700GMT (07/01/2000, 17:45 +0800GMT), Thomas> tracer wrote: Thomas>>> Right. But my initial question assumed that I'm travelling and don't Thomas>>> have the cserve software with me. With my current ISP's I just telnet t>> Borrow it, like the AOL stuff they flog it all around the world but t>> anyway if I had a compuserve account I would Always have a copy t>> installed and as backup with me. t>> Especially I I traveled... t>> Call it a travel cd with the stuff I MIGHT need... Thomas> I would like to see the Internet Cafe owner on whose computer is Thomas> suddenly start to install software... Ah, a problem there.. I thought you would travel with a portable... To be honest, many internet cafees would have that stuff installed if they knew it worked Locally I here never told anyone unless it was a person who needed it. On HIS machine... Just in case the Thais sabotage that link via the proxies or whatever. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[3]: RITLABS interview almost...
Hello Carsten Dreesbach, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:12:32 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:12:32 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Carsten Dreesbach wrote: Carsten> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Carsten> Hash: SHA1 Carsten> Hey Leif, Carsten> Friday, January 07, 2000, 6:34:00 AM, you wrote: LG>> If their browser is as functional (power-wise), and is priced roughly LG>> the same as TB is, then I think Opera can be beat! LG>> My browser of choice is Opera too, but I'm always on the lookout for LG>> something better. Carsten> Guys, I have this dim feeling they're not even talking about a browser Carsten> here, rather some radically different piece of software... Maybe? Most importantly do they have the time and people to support different products... Carsten> - -- Carsten> L8r! Carsten> Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Carsten> Today's hidden secret: Carsten> ~~ Carsten> This is an answer given by an 11-year-old on a science exam: Carsten> To remove dust from the eye, pull the eye down over the nose. Carsten> ** Carsten> Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Carsten> on an Athlon 500 MHz, 256 MB RAM, 10 GB U2W HDD, TNT2U Carsten> ** Carsten> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Carsten> Version: PGP 6.5i Carsten> iQA/AwUBOHWR4bfqRmh+VoydEQIa9QCdG4g7Xprs/lCvo5HtIwxo7XtWKuIAoLfp Carsten> BCftpWNJkmBdRKrrWDMbZmap Carsten> =tvWB Carsten> -END PGP SIGNATURE- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: SOT Compuserve POP (was: Re[3]: anyone tried using the bat to get aol emails?)
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:20:16 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:20:16 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas> Hi Lionel, Thomas> On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:49:46 +0100GMT (07/01/2000, 02:49 +0800GMT), Thomas> Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: t>>> If this same trick works with Compuserve, no idea, try it... LEM>> Yeah, it works. You can access the whole Compuserve network from ANY LEM>> internet connection, with the Compuserve software. Thomas> Right. But my initial question assumed that I'm travelling and don't Thomas> have the cserve software with me. With my current ISP's I just telnet Thomas> and work on the server, in pine. I used to be able to do that (not Thomas> exactly unix/pine, but cserve menu-driven special) on cserve. That was Thomas> my point: what if you don't have the cserve software with you? Borrow it, like the AOL stuff they flog it all around the world but anyway if I had a compuserve account I would Always have a copy installed and as backup with me. Especially I I traveled... Call it a travel cd with the stuff I MIGHT need... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: RITLABS interview almost...
Hello Leif Gregory, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 07:24:57 +0900 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 5:24:57 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Leif Gregory wrote: Leif> Hello users, Leif> nah-nah nah-nah nah-nahh I've got the answers and you don't!! Leif> I hope they realise that the best way to sell it is to get it used and the sooner we can start playing and find bugs the better. Leif> Leif Gregory Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Copy of outgoing messages to other mail address?
Hello Steve Lamb, On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:41:57 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:41:57 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Thursday, January 06, 2000, 11:33:35 AM, Carsten wrote: >> Interesting approach... Not what I'd personally prefer - I think I >> like the %BCC="" macro better, but I can see how the automatic backups >> would be really great as well - _if_ I had a ZIP drive at work! ;] Steve> I started with a floppy drive and ended up buying a parallel ZIP that I Steve> install at work. I want a new machine here so I can have an IDE ZIP. They're Steve> fast enough to run TB! off it instead of just using it as a transport medium. You can play mp3's of them as wellI do (g). Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[3]: Pegasus vs. The Bat!
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:45:02 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:45:02 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cid> So let me get this straight... TB!'s filters only work on a cid> particular account? cid> There's no way to set a global filter set for all incoming mail? cid> (other than the forwarding options, and moving messages around first?) cid> Should seem that it would be nice to have a little check box: cid> Apply to all accounts maybe but I have the suspicion that a horrible mess could result.. As Steve said, merging mail to split it up again is the wrong way to do it. But you need suitable destination mail boxes for your usage. After that filter and consider that your bulky stuff should be tackled first, makes it easier. After that you can filter to any box in any account (whereever you want). The acount doesnt even have to be unique, could be a duplicate of another one but with different settings. If your incoming mail is organised it saves you a lot of work and you can see that certain boxes have mail but arent important so you just leave them till later. The simpler your filters the better they will work. I have no need for regular expressions on them (g) cid> Derek cid> At Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:56:33 +0100, you wrote: >>Hello TBUDL, >> >>On Wednesday, January 05, 2000, , Alexander V. Kiselev wrote: >> >> cid> [ Various multiple account filtering questions in detail snipped] >> >>Bye! >> >>Windisch Gergely >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>-- >>Using The Bat! 1.36 >> >> >> >>-- >>-- >>View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com >>To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: >><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: >><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>-- >> >> Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[3]: SOT Compuserve POP (was: Re[3]: anyone tried using the bat to get aol emails?)
Hello Lionel Elie Mamane, On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:49:46 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 07, 2000, 1:49:46 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: Lionel> Hello tracer, Lionel> Thursday, January 06, 2000, 3:48:37 PM, you wrote: t>> If this same trick works with Compuserve, no idea, try it... Lionel> Yeah, it works. You can access the whole Compuserve network from ANY Lionel> internet connection, with the Compuserve software. Thats what I expected so essentially compuserve doesnt need a slow local dialin over in our case a 2400 line to sabotage it. Just dial in with any local usp and when on line use the compuserve software... Like with the AOL Thanks, I never had a compuserve customer here so I didnt know... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: The Bat! - suggestions
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:29:54 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 06, 2000, 3:29:54 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas> Hello The Bat! developers, Thomas> There are some features I would like to see in your program: Thomas> Instead of Purging & Compressing every time I close The Bat!, I Thomas> would like to have an option to Purge & Compress manually. Thomas> The reason is, the "Cleaning Up" process takes a long time each Thomas> time (up to 15 minutes), and I really don't need to do it every Thomas> day. Thomas while this in itself is a useful option we need a better archive system where the archive doesnt automatically get opened, is accessible when needed and per folder and can be selected per folder to have backup criteria set. If setup correctly you wouldnt have to do much manual backups and the bat would be opening fast. Esssentially the current setup is unsuitable for hundreds of emails per day unless one goes and uses tricks. which really shouldnt be required. In adition a smooth working backup system is a good selling point. Thomas> Regards, Thomas> Thomas Fernandez Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Pegasus oddities
Hello Steve Lamb, On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:32:40 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 06, 2000, 11:32:40 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> OK, this takes the cake. Today, because of my discussion with Alex over Steve> Pegasus vs. TB! I downloaded Pegasus, installed it on my work machine, and Steve> tried it out on my home server with both POP and IMAP. Now, a few hours Steve> later, Thomas is reporting getting OLD messages from me. He sent me one which Steve> was an internal IMAP storage message from my unix outbox. Somehow Pegasus Steve> sent my outbox (I'm sure all 300+ messages of it) to Thomas. Steve> I have no clue how it did it. Not it, YOU (g). Anyway I once imported my mail from eudora to the bat and remailed all 6000 send messages which had ended up in the outbox by mistake Anyway, better make sure it doesnt send all your mail to the wrong persons... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: PGPkeys doesn't run
Hello Alexander A. Gomanyuk, On 6 Jan 2000 11:38:30 +0500 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 06, 2000, 1:38:30 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Alexander A. Gomanyuk wrote: Alexander> Hello Batmans, Alexander> Would U answer, why menu item Tools-PGP-Key Manager says Alexander> "Unable to locate PGP Keys application" ? Alexander> Yes, path variable is OK. maybe you try to use the wrong version of pgp??/ Alexander> The Bat! 1.38e, PGP 6.5.1 (6.5.2 the same) Alexander> Regards, Alexander> 3AHO3A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]|2:5012/18.2> Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: SOT Compuserve POP (was: Re[3]: anyone tried using the bat to get aol emails?)
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:53:21 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 06, 2000, 12:53:21 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas> Hi Lionel, Thomas> On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 15:55:33 +0100GMT (05/01/2000, 22:55 +0800GMT), Thomas> Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: TF>>> (I know with Compuserve, you would have to apply for a POP TF>>> account, which robs you of some other features.) LEM>> False. I'm on Compuserve, and using my account via POP didn't rob me LEM>> any feature. This is relatively new, though. Thomas> OK; I cancelled my subscribtion with Cserve about a year ago. The Thomas> reason was, I had a "normal" account first, which you can check with Thomas> either the cserve software, or by telnetting and following their Thomas> menus. Since I lived in Thailand at that time and they offered a baud Thomas> rate of 2400 bps, I finally changed to POP - and couldn't telnet any Thomas> more. Thomas, not sure about Compuserve, as I never had the chance to use the system but as you will know AOL has a different setup, even worse. if you want to use it in Thailand it means essentially calling Singapore... By pure accident I ended up with a macintosh customer who had been setup for AOL in the states and thus wanted a local account.. After a few weeks his mac stuff kind of corrupted and he wanted to go to the web but no way could I get the normal dialin to work to the local isp. So I changed the dialin for AOl to call the local isp number and ip's. He ended up logging in locally, zapped off to AOL and then via the AOL webmenu we went to hotmail where his mail was sitting... I did it again on a PC which was working ok and as far as I know if you AOL HAS been setup and is working, nothing prevents you to use a local dialin and then run your AOL browser to do whatever you want to do in AOL. Ok, you pay for AOL and local isp (maybe, as I never had the chance to check that as I never saw bills...). Presumably one gets stuck for the minimum charge.. Anyway, there is absolutely NO need for long distance calls, slow lines and local censorship or whatever keeps a local dialin for AOL away. If this same trick works with Compuserve, no idea, try it... My customers were happy as it saves them fortunes as all their mail was going AOL, they travelled and they wanted to keep it that way! Thomas> With my ISP's (including this IBM.com), they limit the server space Thomas> you can use, not the number of messages. By the way, can you FTP into Thomas> your account and save files on the server? Most accounts, no idea about compuserve , let you do that if you know where the mailbox is. I use it all the time for ftp. I even used it to get my betas of 98 downloaded that way... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: (No Subject)
Hello Tim Fountain, On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:20:14 + GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 06, 2000, 12:20:14 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tim Fountain wrote: Tim> I've just checked again, but as I thought, I can only export the Tim> messages into one textfile. I can export them with or without Tim> headers, make them !rmail separated or not, remove sigs; but still Tim> only into the same textfile. Tim> What exactly is the UNIX mailbox format? I would have thought that Tim> would be my best bet here, but it doesn't seem to work. Tim> -- Tim> Tim Fountain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tim> http://www.tfountain.co.uk/ Try importing to outlook,outlook express and if they convert, import them into the bat. But donot dump the originals unless you manage to go the whole route.. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Pegasus vs. The Bat!
Hello Steve Lamb, On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 15:13:08 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 06, 2000, 6:13:08 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Or, what I would do, drag the mail to the right folder, reply, and inform Steve> him not to use the other addresses for an inappropriate use. If it persists, Steve> create a filter to automatically bounce back to him until he gets a clue. Steve> Yes, I've done that to my boss at one time when I finally separated my Steve> personal from private mail and he insisted on using the wrong one. My expartner had this bad habit and several people knowing more then one of my email accounts.. I have essentially their boxes setup in one place and if anyone sends me an email to the wrong account and he has a folder to be stored in, I just add him a filter to that folder in the other account. Result, he gets answered from the correct account... I see nothing complicated on the few emails going to the wrong place to get an filter added. More important I think is that the current backup system is lousy and inadequate... I am sure you could think of a better system involving a few changes in the bat for people with a lot of mail so that the program opens snappy but hasnt got all the old data there unless its needed. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Purging
Hello dMb, On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:25:37 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 7:25:37 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, dMb wrote: dMb> I just discovered the hard way that Purging also removes unread mail, dMb> at least as I currently have TB set up. dMb> This really isn't a good thing for me. dMb> Is there anyway to prevent purging of unread messages? I looked dMb> around but couldn't find the setting. The way I handle my incoming mail and I am sure it can be improved, is to make all or most regular incomings a filter so they go to their boxes and my INBOX is slipped through spam and relatively rarely occuring or repeating msgs I seem to get about 400 mails per day this week but my inbox maybe has 5-10. Splitting things also means you can leave certain large collections of known not urgent stuff till you have time. dMb> Thanks. dMb> Derek Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Rogue Gallery
Hello John Sullivan, On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:33:09 + GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 06, 2000, 6:33:09 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, John Sullivan wrote: John> a new contact for each person, adding in the Rogues' Gallery photo. Where are those? John> I've done this already for my work address book, but non-Bat users be John> warned: attempting to import an LDIF file into Outlook which contains John> large binary photo data causes it to crash immediately. Even sending a John> personal vCard which contains a photo causes it to die - the poor MS John> user doesn't even get chance to preview or delete the message, as soon John> as it is received their mailer will die! (Last tested about 4 months John> ago, so this may have been fixed by now.) Sounds like I know a person to test this on (g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: copying old messages
Hello Windisch Gergely, On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:14:08 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 05, 2000, 5:14:08 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Windisch Gergely wrote: Windisch> Hello TBUDL, Windisch> Is it possible make TB move my old messages to another folder? I have Windisch> a slow machine and I have 8000 messages in the sent folder, 3000 in Windisch> the inbox and more than 5000 in other folders and thus it takes ages Windisch> to go from one folder to another. (sometimes my machine freeses for 20 Windisch> seconds when I click on the sent items and it is annoying) Windisch> My idea is this: I'D like to make TB move the messages (that are older Windisch> than 5 days) from sent and from inbox to sent(arc) and inbox(arc) Windisch> I've found two "similar" solutions. First one is to create a read (or Windisch> replyed) filter. But it would move it when I've read it. (not very Windisch> useful for me) Windisch> The other thing is the option saying " Keep messages in the base for Windisch> .. days" But it would delete my letters and it is a thing I'd like to Windisch> avoid... Windisch> Is it possible what I want to do? What about having a proper archive setup as it gets asked for a lot and I could use one myself. Ie where archive and online boxes are accessible and the online mesgs per box get added to the archive by a flag (ie user set) Windisch> Bye! Ps I didnt see any Hungarian characters, just unreadable ABC... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Using different Incoming and Outgoing sites
Hello Gary Luther, On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:48:18 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, January 04, 2000, 3:48:18 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Gary Luther wrote: Gary> I have an email account on Operamail.com that is forwarded to my home email account. My home email account will not forward mail. I am trying to use The Bat at work to pick up email from my Gary> home account and then be able to reply to it. Gary> I have setup the POP3 address as my home email acct. and set up the SMTP as my Operamail.com account. Gary> When I try to send an email it says has refused to forward the mail. What I am hoping to accomplis is this: Gary> Incoming email: ->> The Bat Gary> Outgoing email: The Bat ->> Operamail.com Gary> Opermail.com is specified as SMTP and I have supplied the userid and password. many isps in the USA and elswhere refuse relaying. problem is if they get a spammer to use them they go into a database and then it means all their ip's are considered spamming IP's and thats a big headache. Ofcourse there are servers allowing relaying but it requires in many cases some tricks to use them and users of this system are unlikely to broadcast the servers allowing it At least I wouldnt. There are servers where you need a logon and password to send as well but there arent any I would like to advice to contact (at present anyway) . Gary> = Gary> Rome did not create an empire by having meetings, Gary> they did it by killing all those who oppose them. Gary> = Gary> WORK: (406) 444-0631 Gary> Gary K. Luther, System Administrator Gary> MHESAC Gary> 2500 Broadway Gary> Helena, MT 59602-3104 Gary> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gary> = Gary> HOME: (406) 227-2240 Gary> 3838 Beechnut St. #1 Gary> E. Helena, MT 59635 Gary> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gary> or Gary> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gary> = Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[3]: How to get rid of the DUN window?
Hello Carsten Dreesbach, On Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:05:19 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Monday, January 03, 2000, 6:05:19 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Carsten Dreesbach wrote: Carsten> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Carsten> Hash: SHA1 Carsten> Hello Thomas, Carsten> Monday, January 03, 2000, 9:15:48 AM, you wrote: TF>> However, it is not only The Bat! that gives me the DUN window; or five TF>> of them, one for each account. Netscape does the same, so does telnet, TF>> and so does PC-Cillin. I use dialer 2000... That louches the bat and/or whatever else I want. Its i think the only proper way if you do multiple things at the same time, ie, arange the dialing in separate from the programs using it. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[5]: Y2K
Hello Syafril Hermansyah, On Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:56:59 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 02, 2000, 9:56:59 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: Syafril> Right, that is what's I am planning, though. Syafril> My motherboard only support UDMA33, but I will wait for a while for Syafril> upgrading to UDMA66 due Intel still having problem with his i820 Syafril> chipset (for AGP VGA), and max. RAM limited to 512 MB only. I heard Syafril> that VIA have the solution for AGP, I didn't test it. Not sure it does AGP4, I will have to ask, our main problem was very lousy docs with the motherboard but after the misunderstanding was out of the way it runs great. I wouldnt buy an Intel made motherboard, I have really never seen one which didnt have problems and they will for sure prevent any overclocking attempt. Added, those with rambus have been redesigned to handle sdram and get a performance hit so it runs slower then the BX... Syafril> The weakness of IDE drive is slow for POP/HTTP/FTP server, but I found Syafril> after tweaking UDMA channel the performance increase significant. Aopen has the DMA66 in the Bios as far as I saw... Syafril> Thanks for the advise. If possible try testing your existing sdram on a system running 133 as if it works.. you get a real fast system. I have a suspicion that with a stable motherboard/processor you may find that even standard sd100 ram can do that 133. Mine does and I love a cheap coppermine 700 and its so cool (temperature wise) that no way will I get Amd's needing expensive fans on the processor and extra big powersupplies. It eats up any potential price advantage of the AMD... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[4]: OT Maillita problems
Hello Claudius Regn, On Sun, 2 Jan 2000 13:49:30 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 02, 2000, 7:49:30 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Claudius Regn wrote: Claudius> Hello tracer, t>> not quite, the better ones though are commercial software. And the t>> very best are quite large and will show you anything going out/in, Claudius> Sorry, - you are right, of course. I was thinking of free- or shareware, since Claudius> professional network monitoring didn't seem to be the answer for Claudius> Albertos question ;) -- but I forgot to mention that. there is a shareware one, it was used to detect StarCraft contacting its server if it was on the net telling them what was on your system. Obviously a cracked version was used to detect it but thats still circulating on the web. On the other hand you can try AtGuard, which is an easy firewall and it should tell you what it wants to contact. Claudius> -- Claudius> With best regards, Claudius> Claudius Regn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Claudius>http://regn.de/pgp/ Claudius> Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[6]: Move to Folder command
Hello Carsten Dreesbach, On Sun, 2 Jan 2000 05:57:26 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 02, 2000, 11:57:26 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Carsten Dreesbach wrote: Carsten> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Carsten> Hash: SHA1 Carsten> Hey tracer, Carsten> Sunday, January 02, 2000, 3:56:48 AM, you wrote: t>> I would imagine that moving an OPEN message is kind of a potential t>> disaster... besides a programming nightmare. t>> Files being moved while open is like someone removing the chair you t>> are going to sit on without you checking if its still there Carsten> I can see that, I suppose. I think that by working with a temp copy in Carsten> RAM and moving the message in the actual folder you could make it Carsten> work. If not, however, I think the command should at least be taken Carsten> out of the menu then... ;] Agreed... I wonder what they really intended though. Could one of the authors please clarify this option...(g) Carsten> - -- Carsten> L8r! Carsten> Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Carsten> Today's hidden secret: Carsten> ~~ Carsten> Oxymoron: Middle East peace process Carsten> ** Carsten> Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Carsten> on an Athlon 500 MHz, 256 MB RAM, 10 GB U2W HDD, TNT2U Carsten> ** Carsten> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Carsten> Version: PGP 6.5i Carsten> iQA/AwUBOG7Mp7fqRmh+VoydEQK8JQCggp+0eKivoLENcu8RjrBnB3GeBTEAoOko Carsten> 2ca7ILhlzGxga5ahMYV6hOh2 Carsten> =kScs Carsten> -END PGP SIGNATURE- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: URLs to Netscape via TheBat
Hello Fred Weissman, On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:38:13 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 02, 2000, 11:38:13 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Fred Weissman wrote: Fred> When I position the cursor over a URL in TheBat (1.38e), it changes to a Fred> nice blue arrow. This indicates to me that it recognizes it as a URL. I Fred> double-click on the URL and nothing happens. I assume it should launch Fred> Netscape and head out to the site in question. Am I missing something Fred> here? Fred> Not related, but confusing... having just uninstalled netscape that option doesnt even work anymore here. have you tried a reinstall? Its likely a registry related problem Fred> In the message editor, when I am finished, I hit F2 to send the missive to Fred> the Outbox queue. When I hit SHIFT-F2, a little window comes up asking me Fred> if I want to send the message. I assume it means right now. I have a Fred> friend who is using the same version of Bat as I am, and his F2 and Fred> SHIFT-F2 actions are reversed. Even as listed in the dropdown menu. Fred> Can anyone shed some light on this one? Fred> Thanks... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Move to Folder command
Hello Januk Aggarwal, On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 19:11:45 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 02, 2000, 10:11:45 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Januk Aggarwal wrote: Januk> Hello tracer, Januk> Saturday, January 01, 2000, 6:56:48 PM, you wrote: >> I would imagine that moving an OPEN message is kind of a potential >> disaster... besides a programming nightmare. >> Files being moved while open is like someone removing the chair you >> are going to sit on without you checking if its still there Januk> True, but then why offer the option if it doesn't work? maybe their intended option is meant different, a language problem or a bug for it being there. Personally I would say it shouldnt be there in the first place but then I didnt write the Bat (g). Ok, report it as a bug and see what they say... Its a kind of intriguing option! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Problem With Sounds
Hello Nick Andriash, On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:29:22 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 02, 2000, 2:29:22 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Nick Andriash wrote: Nick> Hi There, >I've put zeros in Nick> those boxes... thinking that would allow for sounds 24 hours a day, Nick> but I may have wrongly indicated NO sounds whatsover. you did... 00:00-24:00 Nick> Can someone tell me what the default setting is there so that I can Nick> hear the incoming mail sound 24 hours a day? Thanks very much for your Nick> help. Nick> Nick Nick> == Nick> N.J. (Nick) Andriash Nick> MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nick> MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nick> PGP Keys available from KeyServers Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[4]: Move to Folder command
Hello Syafril Hermansyah, On Sun, 2 Jan 2000 02:25:14 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 02, 2000, 2:25:14 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: Syafril> On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 19:54:35 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Syafril> Sunday, January 02, 2000, 01:54:35 [GMT+0700] my local time, Carsten Syafril> Dreesbach told to the list, and this is my reply : >>>> is it just me or does the Move to Folder command not work? Or am I >>>> just too stupid to use it!? ;] Syafril> [ ... ] CD>> Ah, sorry, forgot to specify: Move to Folder does not work if I CD>> open the message, then select the command from the Message menu in CD>> the editor window. Does that work for you? Syafril> Confirm, not working in my Win98 here. I would imagine that moving an OPEN message is kind of a potential disaster... besides a programming nightmare. Files being moved while open is like someone removing the chair you are going to sit on without you checking if its still there Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Feature Request
Hello Jim, On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:35:58 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 02, 2000, 1:35:58 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jim wrote: Jim> Hello , Jim> Where do I send a feature request to. I have a real need to be able Jim> to edit the subject line that is displayed in the message lists. Jim> For example: I get a message back from a supplier with a subject Jim> like "Quote 13-57555" I would like it to change it to something Jim> like "Quote 13-57555 Client Name NF 5000" would the quote 13-57555 be unique??? I mean any chance that a patch utility run over the mailbox could modify unintended messages and keeping in mind it will modify ANY string like that found in all likely hood? Jim> I can do this in Eudora and Outlook 2000. Jim> -- Best regards, Jim Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[3]: Y2K
Hello Syafril Hermansyah, On Sun, 2 Jan 2000 01:09:32 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, January 02, 2000, 1:09:32 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: Syafril> This month my server will change the connection, from 10BaseT HUB Syafril> connection to 100BaseT Switch, also I 'll upgrade the HDD and RAM (now Syafril> using IDE 4 GB and 128 MB RAM) to SCSI and 256 MB RAM, I hope the Syafril> performance will increase. I would recommend first adding the ram and then seeing what happens. You need 2 drives anyway and if you want more speed, you could be better off buying some UDMA 66 drives and a new board then buying the scsi drives of high speed. Latest AOPEN can do almost any chips (with risercards) and runs about S$150. A friend just got one and while the setting up took him a bit of time, it now runs a coppermine 500 at 700, UDMA drives run about 16mb/sec Board will also run a celeron /P2 so its a nice way to upgrade and MUCH cheaper then high speed scsi! Donot forget you need at least 2 drives anyway KR>> Still 1999 for nearly 7 hours here Syafril> I think you're pass the Y2K now :-) yes, friend had compaq 496, dos doesnt like 2000 but windows happily tells him it is... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Y2K
Hello Keith Russell, On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:05:13 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 01, 2000, 7:05:13 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Keith Russell wrote: Keith> Hello, fellow Bat-lovers. Keith> Hey, Syafril, I watched the performance from Indonesia this morning Keith> (my time). It was impressive! Keith> Still 1999 for nearly 7 hours here well you must have just entered the year 2000 Keith> Keith Russell Keith> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Y2K
Hello Jast, On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 23:36:32 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Saturday, January 01, 2000, 5:36:32 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jast wrote: Jast> Morning Syafril Hermansyah, Jast> And a happy Y2K from Germany, 25 minutes ahead of time. Jast> Not that I care much, which is why I am sitting in front of my Jast> computer at this time instead of party-ing (being an 18-year old) Jast> :-D Donot worry, it was a damned good money maker for a lot of guys who knew there wasnt much to worry about except that it was the 'in' subject. But then minor hickups will apread for months.. I have 2 programs thoug running yesterday but not this morning..(g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: OT Maillita problems
Hello Claudius Regn, On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:00:25 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, December 31, 1999, 9:00:25 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Claudius Regn wrote: Claudius> Ciao Alberto, AA>> Second problem: how's 'bout security? How can I be sure that this AA>> program will not send a copy of my email, or even my ip address, or AA>> other persona data to someone else? AA>> Thank for your answer and happy y2k Claudius> You can monitor your on-line traffic with a packet sniffer and have a Claudius> look at the packages sent and the target IPs while sending a mail thru maillita . Claudius> While most excellent tools are for Linux/Unix, there are only a few Claudius> for Win/DOS-system. Unfortunately, the ones that _are_ for Claudius> Win/DOS-systems are usually for command line DOS. not quite, the better ones though are commercial software. And the very best are quite large and will show you anything going out/in, including logons/passwords and also show you that if they use it on servers the last of your worries is an emailer misbehaving Claudius> There's one with a nice GUI: SpyNet Capture95, contact is Claudius> [EMAIL PROTECTED] or http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/Laurentiu2 . Claudius> AFAI can see maillita is clean. Claudius> -- Claudius> With best regards, Claudius> Claudius Regn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Claudius>http://regn.de/pgp/ Claudius> Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: Problems sending mail
Hello dMb, On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:44:13 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, December 31, 1999, 8:44:13 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, dMb wrote: dMb> Hello, dMb> I'm a new Bat user. dMb> I've been running the program for about a week now, and I think it's great! good to hearjust out of interest, how long did it take you to get the Bat up and running?? dMb> However, for the first time this morning, I ran into a problem. dMb> None of my mail will go out using the program. Note that up until today, dMb> everything worked fine. dMb> Every time I try to send a message, I get the following error message: dMb> "Server reports error. The Response is: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...Sender dMb> domain not compliant with RFC 822, section 6.2.7" dMb> I don't understand why this has happend all of a sudden. Before sending dMb> of this message, I tried outgoing mail with three other mail readers I dMb> have on my machine. All mail went out just fine so I have to suspect dMb> something in The Bat program. never seen this before and I would suspect your server is the culprit. maybe they changed something. Anyway no doubt other suggestions from others will follow. dMb> Also note that I haven't changed any of my configurations since yesterday, dMb> when everything was working fine. I've already checked my settings and I dMb> can't see anything wrong. dMb> Does anyone know what the referred section describes? dMb> TIA, dMb> Derek Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: (OT) 2000 bugs
Hello Roel, On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:52:07 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, December 31, 1999, 6:52:07 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Roel wrote: Roel> \\\|/// Roel> / ~ _ \ Roel> (- O o -) Roel> --oOOo-(_)-oOOo--- Roel> Hello tracer, t>> At least thats what I am told, I donot use a VCR anymore, all my tapes t>> got fungus! you wouldnt want them... Its one of the reasons why in the far East almost everybody has gone VCD. And even cd's get fungus... You borrow/rent one cd with fungus and all you tapes get it. It also is a reason why original import tapes and cd's donot sell well as nobody would give you a replacement for a useless cd or tape. Copied movies sell for about $3 and even then these eternal cd's last about a year. Its not a joke, same with floppy disks, a drive lasts about a year with new disks, zip is the same. Disks themselves last about 3 months... I have a scsi zip drive but exactly one disk Its the humidity/heat, being near to the see etc. Its also a main reason why hard disks fail here as heat makes them expand, degrades the rubber seals and you would be amazed how many people go for a few days vacation and come back to a dead hard disk. Roel> hmmm, with a bit of bacon, eggs & a few sliced tomatoes :-) Roel> got any more tapes? dumped them, together with 2 players. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
(OT) 2000 bugs
Friday, December 31, 1999 Hello Bat-users, Just had a message about a 2000 bug. No idea whom it impacts but anyway, here it is... VCR SETTING: If your VCR has a year setting on it, which most do, you will not be able to use the programmed recording feature after 12/31/99. Don't throw it away Instead, set it for the year 1977 (the days are the same as the year 2000.) At least thats what I am told, I donot use a VCR anymore, all my tapes got fungus! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e NO MICROSOFT VIRUS INFECTIONS mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: SOT: Y2K and possible virus problems
Hello Keith Russell, On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:35:45 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, December 30, 1999, 11:35:45 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Keith Russell wrote: >>> has a setting (I think) in Drweb32.ini, which is in the drweb >>> directory. >>> [DOS] >>> LngFileName="Russian.DWL" >> Just tested: delete this line, and it will switch to English:-) Sorry >> for inconvenience, but I told you it was an offer for *Russians*:- >> ) Time to learn Russian, yeah? I deleted BOTH those lines as the Enlish Drweb hasnt got them. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[3]: SOT: Y2K and possible virus problems
Hello Carsten Dreesbach, On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:39:25 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, December 31, 1999, 3:39:25 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Carsten Dreesbach wrote: Carsten> Hmm, I think what he meant were the fonts for the menus, etc. I tried Carsten> changing language and it came out all funky, special characters and Carsten> everything (as in, NOT Cyrillic! ;] ). Is this because it uses the Carsten> upper 128 chars of the ANSI set? If so, the font that's used for menus Carsten> needs to be one with the Cyrillic set in those positions... Or Carsten> something like that. Just kinda wondering, because I though TB! would Carsten> look cool in Russian! ;] If you install Dr Web and just use the return key to install the thing, you end up with a Russian program. This by the way is a trick one can use with many programs as most will happily produce some kind of working installed product by selecting all the 'defaults' Obviously it could with some products reformat the hard disk (g). BUT, DrWeb itself via the menus allows changing to English and the Spider on the bar needs a right click to change options. Goto the local drweb ini file (its own directory) and zap the block for MSDOS and the name of the loading Russian language file). Result, its all in ENglish. Adinf is more of a problem but If you first install the ALSO released English version on the English page and then install the Russian version (no idea if it makes any difference) the result is an installed adinf in English. If you just install it from the Russian page a required language file is missing and while one no doubt could figure out what to install easier is first to install the english version so the program considers it an upgrade Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: How to suppress the S/N - was - Re[2]: privacy
Hello Rob, On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:54:17 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, December 29, 1999, 8:54:17 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Rob wrote: Rob> [re: Maillita] >> I had a quick look and while I am buzy fixing up 3 computers I did >> notice that the guy who wrote it must be Dutch. Rob> yep, i noticed that too. some filenames in the package are Dutch. Rob> also the Maillita homepage was with a Dutch provider (dds.nl). ok, chopped the rest as I didnt notice you are Dutch as well... I will look around though! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: How to suppress the S/N - was - Re[2]: privacy
Hello Tony AT Mendina, On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:26:38 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, December 29, 1999, 3:26:38 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tony AT Mendina wrote: Tony> I myself am the purveyor of a program that can suppress the serial Tony> numberMaillita, at Tony> http://members.home.com/mendina/maillita.html I had a quick look and while I am buzy fixing up 3 computers I did notice that the guy who wrote it must be Dutch. Plus that its written in Delphi and isnt compressed, ie you have easy access to quite a few bits and pieces. I wouldnt mind having a go through some Ducth contacts to see if its possible to track down this likely ex-student... Holland is small enough that if you write a program and it ends up on websites that someone HAS to know where he is. If you have any other info about the programmer etc, drop me an email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: bat creates many bat*.tmp files size 0
Hello Steve Lamb, On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:10:20 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, December 29, 1999, 5:10:20 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> To be honest, though, they way described above is more of a shell script. Steve> Why a person would do it that way, I have no idea. But the comparative shell Steve> script in sh, csh or zsh would be about the same. For me to do it in perl Steve> would be about the same as well. Python, prolly the same. Steve> All it shows is that people can make the mistake of overlooking the easy Steve> answer when going script happy. :) I use a little program called ZAP to do it as it allows many more things one can do at the same time like cleaning all files of certain extensions etc etc. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: Merry Christmas!
Hello Steve Lamb, On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:09:27 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, December 28, 1999, 4:09:27 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Monday, December 27, 1999, 12:40:59 PM, Rob wrote: >>> *We* do not feel the need to celebrate or believe in anything, >> not even the coming of Spring ?! ;-) i can't wait ... Steve> Feh, I'm in SoCal where on a bad day it still gets up to 70 degrees. Well, here it doesnt even get DOWN to 20 C Steve> Worst part is everyone around me doesn't see anything wrong with that. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: When messages are registered as being replied to.
Hello Ali Martin, On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:53:15 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, December 28, 1999, 1:53:15 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Ali Martin wrote: Ali> On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:13:21 +0300, Andrew K. Lovetski wrote: >> Hello, The Bat Users! AM>>> Actually, if the folder contains only messages saved as draft, a AM>>> little pencil or pen (too small to tell which it is) appears AM>>> superimposed over the folder which itself maintains it's yellow AM>>> color. This is different from the bright green color that the AM>>> folder gets when messages are queued to be sent. >> As a matter of fact, it is a small sand-glass :) Ali> :) Ali> It depends on if you are using the high color glyphs as opposed to the Ali> 256 color ones. I use the 256 color glyphs. I should've clarified Ali> this. THEY should clarify it or improve the system. I saw the green colour, never that other addon. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: I`m getting annoyed...
Hello Steve Lamb, On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:19:45 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, December 28, 1999, 1:19:45 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Monday, December 27, 1999, 9:56:45 AM, tracer wrote: >> Same with having that silly onboard video using system ram. Steve> Funny thing is take a look at what AGP boards use for their frame buffer. Steve> ;) Ok, its one of the reasons with heavy gaming you need a LOT of ram. However onboard video cam be demonstrated easily: just use a smallvideo camera. Same board/same ram etc but with onboard deactivated can be set to larger video 'boxes on the screen' before it isnt able to refresh the whole picture and trying to play mpeg with onboard video is also a good way to see that a real video card is better.. >> In my own case the main reason I had a lot of ram was internet, to >> make use of the lousy and expensive capcity I had, I went for enough >> ram to be able to run double/tripple ftps up and down, have a news >> reader running and my mail and if required a mpeg movie for my son. Steve> Gah, all of that is what, 16Mb? Oh, wait, sorry, thinking Linux again. You needed it not for the programs but to keep windows stable Steve> SLRN, newsreader, ~2Mb. Steve> lftp, ftp client, ~1.5Mb (can do multiple connections) Steve> MP3 in X, 12Mb. agreed.. >> Mainly price as it was very difficult to sell extra ram at prices it >> was a few years ago. Enough ram could double the pc price. Steve> Yeah, years ago. I was still in that mindset until I got my C400a so I Steve> could keep up with the games. 64Mb of RAM w/tax and S&H cost me a whopping Steve> $89. That is when RAM prices were (are?) supposed to be "high". I remember ram prices... well, lets say they luckily have come down!!!A lot. >> 98 needs about 64 MINIMUM to run and from what I heard about windows >> 2000 it needs at least 256. Also in my experience, the faster the machine >> the more ram you need to get rid of that hard disk bottle neck Steve >> mentoned. Steve> If that is the case it is completely unacceptable. Jeez, I can get Linux Steve> to boot and run doing much more work than Windows in under 2Mb w/o touching Steve> swap. You havent yet heard what acc to quite a few betatesters the minimum processor requirement is Yours MAY just qualify to be pleasantly usable Steve> Hell, the most useful computing device I bought recently for real *work* Steve> was my Palm IIIe with a whopping 2Mb. Look at the old Amigas, the zx80 (which we canibalised for tapedrive controllers: the cheapest ones available) Steve> What is MS' problem? if it isnt bigger and needs more power nobody upgrades... They got the donkey running behind the carrot in circles. >> I had a small scsi drive (one of those fast ones) just for swapping... Steve> total used free sharedbuffers cached Steve> Mem: 63348 60396 2952 19828 21664 18840 Steve> -/+ buffers/cache: 19892 43456 Steve> Swap: 132072 3100 128972 Steve> I just avoid the problem. I think the 3.1Mb of swap is from the PMMail Steve> list I host hammering my system. If I limited exim to 25 copies instead of 50 Steve> I'd not touch swap at all. I run Linux on the same machine, and it runs nicelyIt should! >> you couldnt get the proper ram?? (g) Steve> That was the proper RAM. The AWE32 had two SIMM slots for an expanded Steve> memory buffer for synth sound files. ah, as many people add ram to video and sound cards but cannot get the exact correcy speed/type and then it can become a nightmare... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: I`m getting annoyed...
Hello Syafril Hermansyah, On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:45:59 +0700 GMT your local time, which was Monday, December 27, 1999, 11:45:59 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Syafril Hermansyah wrote: Syafril> Sometimes there is a condition that we must replace motherboard to Syafril> upgrade our RAM such: no more slots, we use old fashioned Motherboard Syafril> etc. Syafril> Then, if you look at the link I mentioned, the tweaking of IDE UDMA Syafril> drive very useful and more cheap than change to SCSI drive. This will Syafril> help much for I/O bound application (like Mail Server etc). But will your old boards make proper use of the UDMA? Donot forget that SCSI also takes a lot of work away from the processor. I have an old 486 with scsi running a cdrom burner You can play mpegs on a 2 speed scsi cdrom. I had 2 old plextors nobody wanted in a shop and I stuck them in a machine with a spare scsi card, and it plays the movies/games etc. That 'old ' scsi stuff is way better in many ways then the ide's everybody buys. One of the reasons I recently send an old scsi card to a friend in the USA as it was one of those old cards (you remember the 3 slots). That whole office had a scsi card, cd rom and hard disk in all machines and they ran as stable as you might want. Syafril> Question : Mail Client is Compute Bound or I/O bound from your point Syafril> of view ? Modem bound I would say, processor bound with the wrong modem (like win-modem) Or with a lot of data on old boards port bound (I used an ESP card for my modem, and I still have it but no drivers for 98. It will handle 800k/sec...) In general with older boards you may be better off with internal modems as they have the higher speed ports included. Syafril> How come ? So, what do you think/view about mailbox corrupt ? Can have many reasons, maybe not enough ram, badly running windows. The more things are split up the more chances on problems. Sofar they never corrupted in my machine. I havent seen any description of system involved but believe me, I crashed while boxes are open BUT I always run the scan disk/equivalent after to boot to sort the obvious mess out and fix it by deleting whatever is conflicting. Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: I`m getting annoyed...
Hello Steve Lamb, On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:31:27 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Monday, December 27, 1999, 11:31:27 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Steve Lamb wrote: Steve> Monday, December 27, 1999, 4:38:35 AM, Ali wrote: >> stable than before and this is most likely because the machines today >> come with at least 32MB of memory. In fact 64MB seems to be the >> standard. On top of that win98 is inherently more stable than it's >> predecessors. Steve> Ever wonder why the prebuilts put so little RAM in their computers? Steve> Because when the computers hit swap, they slow down. The normal end consumer Steve> sees the machine slow and pulls out the tired car analogy. "Well, if the CPU Steve> is the engine, if I want to go faster I need to get a faster engine. I need a Steve> faster CPU!" At which time they dutifully trade in their PII-300 w/24Mb RAM Steve> (I've seen it!) for a spiffy new PIII-600 with. 32Mb RAM! In about a year Steve> they repeat the process. Not the ONLY reason, they also compete on price and if its cheaper with a bit less ram most consumers go for the cheapest. Same with having that silly onboard video using system ram. As computers where I live die quick anyway we tend to let people bring their box in and we show them what it does by adding ram. Free of charge... Almost nobody wants us to remove it again... Take a nice old 486 and add a lot of ram and see it fly... My kids run a P75 with 64 mb and windows 95, runs as fast as many p133's or faster. Steve> Personally my work and home workstations both have 128Mb of RAM. Swap? Steve> What's that? One is NT, one is 98. My Linux server has 64Mb in it and it Steve> only touches swap every once and a while. Mine run 256 and you need it for some things. If you run heavy duty gaming or graphic work, start at 256 mb... In my own case the main reason I had a lot of ram was internet, to make use of the lousy and expensive capcity I had, I went for enough ram to be able to run double/tripple ftps up and down, have a news reader running and my mail and if required a mpeg movie for my son. My modem was normally running flat out as I just kept adding tasks till it was optimum. I cannot do that anymore as my current isp is cutting us off very often so I would use the lot but before that it sure worked. Steve> Want to know a secret? Steve> My Linux box could take up to 128Mb and its MB is years old. It has a Steve> P5-100 in it that I bought before the PIIs came out. My workstation, a Steve> Celeron-400a, has a MB that can accommodate 768Mb. Steve> The single cheapest and easiest way to speed up a machine is to put more Steve> RAM into it. MBs these days can take up .7-1Gb of RAM. So why is 32Mb-64Mb Steve> "standard"? ;) Mainly price as it was very difficult to sell extra ram at prices it was a few years ago. Enough ram could double the pc price. MY machine had a lot more ram since years, it runs so much better/faster. 98 needs about 64 MINIMUM to run and from what I heard about windows 2000 it needs at least 256. Also in my experience, the faster the machine the more ram you need to get rid of that hard disk bottle neck Steve mentoned. >> To minimize fragmenting in the system partition, in my last win98 days, I >> had moved all temp files and confined V Swapping to one partition and then >> defragged that partition regularly. This and 64MB of RAM at the time reduced >> crashes to a bearable minimum. :) I had a small scsi drive (one of those fast ones) just for swapping... Steve> Try 128Mb and no swapping. I have crashed from other areas, but that is Steve> most likely from my sound card being an original AWE-32 with two 256kb SIMMs Steve> that I bought new just for that card. ;) you couldnt get the proper ram?? (g) I just spend most of the day trying to figure out why my celeron 300A running at 450 was running slower and slower.. Lucky the hardware cooperated and the half dead ram chip died. believe me, my 98 was a snail with just 32 mb instead of its 256 mb. I just hope that was all as I donot want to buy new ram, too expensive! Anyway as Steve says, you want more speed, add ram, its the cheapest way to upgrade in many ways, depending obviously on the age of the system... I wouldnt go off and buy simms!! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: When messages are registered as being replied to.
Hello Ali Martin, On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 21:06:33 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Monday, December 27, 1999, 9:06:33 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Ali Martin wrote: Ali> On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:49:28 +0700, tracer wrote: Ali> [] Ali> Actually, if the folder contains only messages saved as draft, a Ali> little pencil or pen (too small to tell which it is) appears Ali> superimposed over the folder which itself maintains it's yellow color. Ali> This is different from the bright green color that the folder gets Ali> when messages are queued to be sent. Ali> If you have both messages saved as draft and messages queued to be Ali> sent in the folder, the folder will appear bright green with the pen Ali> *also* superimposed over it. Ali> The problem is that the superimposed pen isn't clearly seen and often Ali> missed. I did, never seen the thing Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re[2]: German help file (was: Keyboard Shortcut to move to next unread message?)
Hello Ali Martin, On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 21:31:02 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Monday, December 27, 1999, 9:31:02 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Ali Martin wrote: Ali> Hey Tracer!!! Ali> I see that you cannot use Alt+L or autoformat because you don't Ali> separate your personal text from the quotes by a blank line. If you Ali> hit alt+l serious effects would occur. :))) I never hit Alt +l will try it! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
Re: When messages are registered as being replied to.
Hello Ali Martin, On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 17:03:10 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Monday, December 27, 1999, 5:03:10 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Ali Martin wrote: Ali> Hi all, Ali> I have come to realize that messages are registered as being replied Ali> to when the message is autosaved. That's of course if you have the Ali> message autosave feature on. Ali> I would expect that messages should be registered as being replied to Ali> upon either sending the message or queuing the message to be sent. Ali> What happens is that the message reply filter is applied prematurely Ali> and it is possible for messages to be flagged as replied when you in Ali> fact have not replied to them. This happens when you start a reply Ali> and discard it after the first autosave. I don't know about others Ali> but I tend to do this quite a bit. Please fix, as I got caught a few times as having produced an answer and saved it and then forgot about it. Even better, I like saved msgs to sit in a SAVED folder from where they get moved to the outbox when they get send etc. Then one can SEE there is something still sitting to be send Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.38e mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
