Re[2]: Filters for Spam
Hello Paul Smithson, On or about Friday, February 21, 2003 at 18:00:16GMT + (which was 1:00 PM in the tropics where I live) Paul Smithson postulated, ruminated and made these points on the subject of Filters for Spam: PS Hello John, PS Friday, February 21, 2003, 5:23:51 PM, you wrote: ~ Here is a filter that gets rid of alot of spam for me: ~ [strings] £|¥|¤|§|«|»|À|Á|Å|µ|¿ PS Why you would include a £ symbol. PS As a Brit I feel pretty insulted that my genuine e-mails PS could be filtered out as spam just because I used the symbol PS of my countries currency (one of the World's major currencies). As a Brit you should have sense enough to simply EXCLUDE that symbol from the list if you wish, and not be 'insulted!' These combinations often show up in headers from Asian spam sites, which is why it is included in the filter. Any user living in a region where any of the symbols may be used, should of course exclude those symbols. This will reduce the effectiveness of the list of symbols though. I also include $ in my spam filter for those who insist on sending me $AVE $$ spams too! In your case that would be SAVE £, which would be equally, but regionally spam'ish. A user in Japan would likely receive SAVE ¥¥¥, etc. Example from a recent Asian spam: Subject: ¡m¤@Ó§Y£±N¾î±½½u¤W¹£CÀ¸ªº¤j«¬¹qª±½Ï¥Í¡A¡i¨M¾Ô¡j¹CÀ¸±N©ó12¤ë ¤£¤¶©«±À¥X¡A¦¹¹CÀ¸¦bÁú°£ê¤w¸g±Æ¦W¨ì¤F²Ä1¦W¡A¦b¤¤°ê¤j³°¤w®Ê¤É ±Æ¦W²Ä2¦W£¡C¥Ø«e¦b¥xÆW±N©ó2003¦~¤@¤ë¤¤¥¿¦¡¤£W½u¶}¥ -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike Paying for movies is like paying for sex - if it's free it feels better. /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Using TheBat! v1.62i hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1' -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
Hello Paul, Friday, February 21, 2003, 12:00:16 PM, you wrote: PS As a Brit I feel pretty insulted that my genuine PS e-mails could be filtered out as spam just because I PS used the symbol of my countries currency (one of the PS World's major currencies). If you are going to go to PS such extremes to filter out spam why not add this one PS a|b|c|d|e|f|g|h|i|j|k PS That way you'd be certain to never receive spam :))) Roughly 1/3 of the spam I see looks like this: ¼ö½Å°ÅºÎÇÒ ¸ÞÀÏÁÖ¼Ò¸¦ , with no standard ASCII chars anywhere south of the header. -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/ A business is as honest as its advertising. . Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
Paul Smithson wrote: P Why you would include a £ symbol Why would you use that symbol in a subject line ? -- Regards, ~John Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
Paul Smithson wrote: P As a Brit I feel pretty insulted that my genuine P e-mails could be filtered out as spam just because I P used the symbol of my countries currency If someone is using currency symbols in the subject line, it is probably because they are wanting to sell something. Also you don't have to worry about your email being filtered, because all mail to this list goes to my theBat folder. I sort mail to all folders and then I have the known filter after these and then my spam filters. -- Regards, ~John Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
Hi Spike, on Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:21:46 -0500GMT (21.02.03, 19:21 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : S Example from a recent Asian spam: S Subject: ¡m¤@Ó§Y£±N¾î±½½u¤W¹£CÀ¸ªº¤j«¬¹qª±½Ï¥Í¡A¡i¨M¾Ô¡j¹CÀ¸±N©ó12¤ë S ¤£¤¶©«±À¥X¡A¦¹¹CÀ¸¦bÁú°£ê¤w¸g±Æ¦W¨ì¤F²Ä1¦W¡A¦b¤¤°ê¤j³°¤w®Ê¤É S ±Æ¦W²Ä2¦W£¡C¥Ø«e¦b¥xÆW±N©ó2003¦~¤@¤ë¤¤¥¿¦¡¤£W½u¶}¥ The appearing of the ¥ character in this text has nothing to do with money. It is just one of the chars used to display Japanese or Chinese fonts if they're not installed on your computer. I found lots of these when I recently downloaded some East-Asian music. *S* -- Cheers Peter 'To learn more about paranoids, follow them around!' Winamp currently playing: ±çµúµX - ¨â¥Íªá Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
Hi Robert, on Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:25:52 -0600GMT (21.02.03, 19:25 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : RCW Roughly 1/3 of the spam I see looks like this: RCW ¼ö½Å°ÅºÎÇÒ ¸ÞÀÏÁÖ¼Ò¸¦ , with no standard ASCII chars anywhere south of RCW the header. It only means that you haven't installed the right fonts on your computer (kyrillic perhaps?)... ;-) -- Cheers Peter Computers are like air conditioners: they stop working properly when you open Windows. Winamp currently playing: Roberta Flack - killing me softly with his song Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
Hello ~John, Here is a filter that gets rid of alot of spam for me: [strings] £ You would drop many messages from me if you and I exchanged business e-mail :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
On Friday, February 21, 2003, 1:21 PM, you wrote: S I wish there was an easy way to copy filters between accounts or make a master S set of filters that work on all accounts... I get the same spam coming to S multiple email address and have to delete them over and over in 1 session... right-click the filter, COPY. go to new account, go to filters, PASTE. it does work! -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters for Spam
Hello Miguel A. Urech, On or about Friday, February 21, 2003 at 19:45:04GMT +0100 (which was 1:45 PM in the tropics where I live) Miguel A. Urech posted: [strings] £ MAU You would drop many messages from me if you and I exchanged business MAU e-mail :) If you send me mail with $, £ or any other currency symbol in the Subject line, you would certainly be sent to my TRASH folder, as you are trying to sell me something I did not request. If, in the text of the body, you tell me that for $20.00 I can have something which we discussed earlier, it would NOT! Words to the wise?? -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike A committee's real objective is not to reach a decision but to avoid it at all costs! /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Using TheBat! v1.62i hamstrung by Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1' -- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
Miguel A. Urech wrote: M You would drop many messages from me if you and I exchanged business M e-mail :) No, I would not. If I was going to do business with you, I would add you to my address book, then my Known filter would catch your E-Mail before my Spam filters would. -- Regards, ~John Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
Hello ~John, No, I would not. If I was going to do business with you, I would add you to my address book, then my Known filter would catch your E-Mail before my Spam filters would. You are right. Anyway, I would never do business with someone whose name I can't pronounce. How the h*** you pronounce ~John starting with the ~? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
Hello Spike, If you send me mail with $, £ or any other currency symbol in the Subject line, you would certainly be sent to my TRASH folder, as you are trying to sell me something I did not request. I said: If we were doing business... :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Not 20 , not 20 but 20 (was: filters for Spam)
Hello Bats, Now John did not see I was planning to donate him 20 ¤! :-)) alas, now it is too late... -- Best Whishes, Mark using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Not 20 , not 20 but 20 (was: filters for Spam)
Hello Mark, Friday, February 21, 2003, 8:23:03 PM, you wrote: MP Hello Bats, MP Now John did not see I was planning to donate him 20 ¤! :-)) MP alas, now it is too late... Strange, in the original message, the subject was: Not 20 ¥, not 20 £ but 20 ¤ Anyone any idea why this was changed, or do I have to ask this in the Beta list? -- Best Whishes, Mark using The Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
Miguel A. Urech wrote: M You are right. Anyway, I would never do business with someone whose M name I can't pronounce. How the h*** you pronounce ~John starting with M the ~? ;-) Very carefully! LOL -- Regards, ~John Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Not 20 , not 20 but 20 (was: filters for Spam)
Mark Partous wrote: M Now John did not see I was planning to donate him 20 ¤! :-)) M alas, now it is too late... As Homer Simpson would say, DOH !!! -- Regards, ~John Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters for Spam
Hi Paul, Friday, February 21, 2003, 6:00:16 PM, you wrote: PS Hello John, PS Friday, February 21, 2003, 5:23:51 PM, you wrote: ~ Here is a filter that gets rid of alot of spam for me: ~ [strings] ~ £|¥|¤|§|«|»|À|Á|Å|µ|¿ PS Why you would include a £ symbol. PS As a Brit I feel pretty insulted that my genuine PS e-mails could be filtered out as spam just because I PS used the symbol of my countries currency (one of the PS World's major currencies). If you are going to go to PS such extremes to filter out spam why not add this one As a Brit, I'm not surrpised, but I'd add $ to make the list more complete. Tyhe reason for using currency symbols that a lot of spammers will use subjects like Make Million$ and so forth. Actually, another good candidate for the list is also the ! which spammers love to use. However, if including that one I'd send the result to a spam folder, whereas the rest could quite happily go to trash. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters for Spam
Hi Miguel, Friday, February 21, 2003, 6:45:04 PM, you wrote: MAU Hello ~John, Here is a filter that gets rid of alot of spam for me: [strings] £ MAU You would drop many messages from me if you and I exchanged business MAU e-mail :) Well, no, because if you have any sense you make messages from people you're happy to have mail from be filtered at the top of your filter list, with the spam filters following underneath. ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
You would drop many messages from me if you and I exchanged business e-mail :) Can't see why since this is what a whitelist would and should fix. / St Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters for Spam
Hi St, Saturday, February 22, 2003, 1:59:18 AM, you wrote: You would drop many messages from me if you and I exchanged business e-mail :) SMN Can't see why since this is what a whitelist would and should fix. Try replying to the right person. You just piggybacked my reply ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filters for Spam
Try replying to the right person. You just piggybacked my reply ;-) I see that now...just forget I replied, people...and once again I did not add anything clever to the discussion... / St Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, @10-Feb-2003, 14:50 +0700 (07:50 UK time) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: TF Usually escaping it with another % works. So if you need %40, TF you type %%40. (I didn't try it.) Precisely - this will work (I did try it). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+R3vBOeQkq5KdzaARAgeLAJsEYPbZhS8ZHwjdW3DdsY4DaCeTWwCfaXcN nZSD7xQknnl4EsIoUfAvZ/c= =7c+/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Hi Thomas, on Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:50:24 +0700GMT (10.02.03, 08:50 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : TF Usually escaping it with another % works. So if you need %40, you type TF %%40. (I didn't try it.) Thanks, but it doesn't work here. Another % leads to leaving out both the % and the 4. ...name%40domain.com... is displayed in the browser's address line as ...name40domain.com... ...name%%40domain.com... turns to name0domain.com... Strange... -- Cheers Peter Love your enemies: they'll go crazy trying to figure out what you're up to. Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Peter, @10-Feb-2003, 14:37 +0100 (13:37 UK time) Peter Meyns [PM] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: TF Usually escaping it with another % works. So if you need %40, TF you type %%40. (I didn't try it.) PM Thanks, but it doesn't work here. Another % leads to leaving out PM both the % and the 4. PM ...name%40domain.com... is displayed in the browser's address PM line as ...name40domain.com... PM ...name%%40domain.com... turns to name0domain.com... PM Strange... Not necessarily. Could this be to do with batch files? %4 is the fourth parameter passed to a batch file, isn't it? So, that would mean you'd need to try 40 - this is getting silly! Try it though, it may work. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+R7mxOeQkq5KdzaARAg4zAKCi10PpaNCOLFb3lPxbTCt4yAMb5gCeIoRu CzmosJXOyn/EBxum5lABBXk= =SN3p -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Hello ~John, And the person mentioned that he had tried SpamPal, SpamCop, etc.. etc.. and come to realize taht theBats filters was just as efficient. That is for a different story. They were talking about _detecting_ spam while Marck's filters the thread is about is for _reporting_ spam to Spamcop. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
- - - Miguel A. Urech wrote - - - M That is for a different story. They were talking about _detecting_ M spam while Marck's filters the thread is about is for _reporting_ spam M to Spamcop. - - - End of Miguel A. Urech's message - - - Miguel, I still don't see where SpamCop has done anything to stop Spam. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Hello ~John, I still don't see where SpamCop has done anything to stop Spam. With all affection and respect to you: There is no one blinder than that who doesn't want to see :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Miguel, @10-Feb-2003, 17:33 +0100 (16:33 UK time) Miguel A. Urech [MAU] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I still don't see where SpamCop has done anything to stop Spam. MAU With all affection and respect to you: There is no one blinder MAU than that who doesn't want to see :) ... or to put it another way, the work SpamCop does is not in stopping spam from reaching you but in making it hard for the folks who made it reach you in the first place. They close open relays; they get spam referred sites closed down; they get spammers ISPs in trouble with their upstream providers - and much more stuff like that. Without SpamCop, I reckon we would be saddled with an exponential amount *more* spam than we see. They complain to ISPs with a stronger voice and a greater authority than a single individual can muster by complaining to a single abuse@ email address. They have tracking technology to analyze the real routing of the spam you received and send complaints to all ISPs involved. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+R9YwOeQkq5KdzaARAvnBAKCOC7E6R02N3pHVI4EaTZx/mNhL/wCaAzwP xdLNcvZZEI8o5odNaE3v0uw= =oAwI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Hi Marck, on Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:39:42 +GMT (10.02.03, 15:39 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PM ...name%%40domain.com... turns to name0domain.com... PM Strange... MDP Not necessarily. Could this be to do with batch files? %4 is the MDP fourth parameter passed to a batch file, isn't it? So, that would MDP mean you'd need to try 40 - this is getting silly! Try it MDP though, it may work. I don't know much about batch files nor how they exactly work, but I was sure there was no mystery involved. ;-) Your suggestion may look silly, but it works! Thank you Marck! :) -- Cheers Peter Fer sall cheep: bran nu spel chekker - nevur usd! Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
- - - Peter Meyns wrote - - - P on Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:39:42 +GMT (10.02.03, 15:39 +0100GMT here), P you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PM ...name%%40domain.com... turns to name0domain.com... Could someone give me some good instructions on how to setup the SpamCop filter? I would like to try it, I was just upset because there was no support with it. It was like everyone was saying your an idiot because you can't set it up with the very vague instructions on the FAQ page. ~thanks John Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Hello Marck, ... or to put it another way, the work SpamCop does... snipped quite a bit Thanks Marck, I couldn't have explained it better :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Hi ~John, on Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:16:53 -0600GMT (10.02.03, 19:16 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : ~ - - - Peter Meyns wrote - - - P on Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:39:42 +GMT (10.02.03, 15:39 +0100GMT here), P you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PM ...name%%40domain.com... turns to name0domain.com... ~ Could someone give me some good instructions on how to setup the ~ SpamCop filter? I would like to try it, I was just upset because ~ there was no support with it. It was like everyone was saying your an ~ idiot because you can't set it up with the very vague instructions on ~ the FAQ page. First thing I'd like to say is, that you replied to my message instead of starting a new thread. This isn't a good thing in various respects. You may consider that many users of The Bat! (which you will find plenty on TBUDL... ;-) ) use the feature of viewing messages sorted by thread. So your message was here displayed as an answer to the message you hit reply on (my message!), and I felt quite disappointed to see, that an answer to my post wasn't an answer at all, but a new request. :-( Next thing is, you might lose the users not interested in _my_ question. I can't afford to read _all_ messages I receive on lists myself (and I'm not interested in all topics) - I often use ctrl+shift+M to mark the whole thread as read. So your chances of a good reply are much better when you start a new thread with a new message. As for your question about the SpamCop filters, it's not difficult. Once you have set up your account with www.spamcop.net you can use the service easily with the filters from the FAQ. :-) (The automatic log-in was a bit tricky, but we got it! :)) ) -- Cheers Peter abbr. is the abbr. for abbr. Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
On Sunday, February 9, 2003, 3:49 PM, you wrote: PM ...I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically PM along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that? MDP Yes - I just got this working: MDP \22c:\5CProgram\20Files\5CInternet\20Explorer\5CIEXPLORE.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://marck:password@members.%-\0D\0A%REGEXPTEXT\3D\22spamcop.net/sc\5CS*\22\0D\0Acls\0D\0Aexit\0D\0A MDP EndFilter I just went to the FAQ page and noticed this line: Then - there is what happens when the notification comes back from SpamCop that the reports are ready to process. You can automate the procedure with the following filter. You may need to change the launcher (which refers to IE) if IE is not your default browser. my default browser is now Mozilla... it saysyou MAY need... would it not call up IE even if IE wasn't the default browser? Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Hello Paul, On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:42:28 -0500 GMT (11/02/03, 02:42 +0700 GMT), Paul Cartwright wrote: MDP \22c:\5CProgram\20Files\5CInternet\20Explorer\5CIEXPLORE.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://[...] [...] You may need to change the launcher (which refers to IE) if IE is not your default browser. my default browser is now Mozilla... it saysyou MAY need... would it not call up IE even if IE wasn't the default browser? Yes it would. What he meant is You may want to change the launcher, depending on your preferences. Assuming that the default browser is your preferred browser. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If God dropped acid, would he see people? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
On Monday, February 10, 2003, 5:28 PM, you wrote: MDP \22c:\5CProgram\20Files\5CInternet\20Explorer\5CIEXPLORE.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://[...] [...] You may need to change the launcher (which refers to IE) if IE is not your default browser. my default browser is now Mozilla... it saysyou MAY need... would it not call up IE even if IE wasn't the default browser? TF Yes it would. What he meant is You may want to change the launcher, TF depending on your preferences. Assuming that the default browser is TF your preferred browser. ;-) my default browser is Mozilla, but I have IE and opera installed. Opera is fastest, but flakiest. I'd rather use Mozilla than IE, but I think you need to have IE installed to do the wonderful windows updates. I seem to recall it wouldn't work if you tried it with Mozilla.. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Hello Paul, On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:45:41 -0500 GMT (11/02/03, 05:45 +0700 GMT), Paul Cartwright wrote: TF Yes it would. What he meant is You may want to change the launcher, TF depending on your preferences. Assuming that the default browser is TF your preferred browser. ;-) my default browser is Mozilla, but I have IE and opera installed. Opera is fastest, but flakiest. I'd rather use Mozilla than IE, but I think you need to have IE installed to do the wonderful windows updates. I seem to recall it wouldn't work if you tried it with Mozilla.. I would assume the SpamCop filter for TB works with any of these browsers, but it makes sense that the Windows update works only with the browser the same company distributes. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I live in my own little world, but it's ok, they know me here. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Hello ~John, I still don't see where SpamCop has done anything to stop Spam. This is part of the full report I got for one of the last spam I submitted to Spamcop: ,- [ ] | ISP has already cancelled the account used to send this spam. ISP | resolved this issue sometime after martes, 11 de febrero de 2003 | 01:56:25 +0100 `- -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
On Monday, February 10, 2003, 5:54 PM, you wrote: my default browser is Mozilla, but I have IE and opera installed. Opera is fastest, but flakiest. I'd rather use Mozilla than IE, but I think you need to have IE installed to do the wonderful windows updates. I seem to recall it wouldn't work if you tried it with Mozilla.. TF I would assume the SpamCop filter for TB works with any of these TF browsers, but it makes sense that the Windows update works only with TF the browser the same company distributes. that was part of the lawsuit I think, to separate browser from OS.. I SHOULD be able to use the browser of my choice to update the OS on my computer... SHOULD BE... -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
SpamCop filters
Hi all, on Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:19:58 +GMT (09.02.03, 11:19 +0100GMT here), Marck wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] about the two filters to automatize the SpamCop report. MDP They have two different purposes and are for the two stages of MDP SpamCop submission. The first filter works with Ctrl-Alt-S and send MDP the spam to SpamCop for processing. The second filter is for the MDP next stage. It works automatically by intercepting the reply from MDP SpamCop that your spam is ready for processing, launches your web MDP browser with the link in the ready message and takes you straight MDP to the place you have to visit to press the Process now button. The first one works fine here, manually and automatically. The second one takes me to the SpamCop log in dialog. Albeit not too much of an effort to do it manually - I have my shortcuts for e-mail address and pwd - I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that? -- Cheers Peter Who the is General Failure and what's he doing on my computer? Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
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Peter Meyns [PM] wrote:'
PM The first one works fine here, manually and automatically. The
PM second one takes me to the SpamCop log in dialog. Albeit not too
PM much of an effort to do it manually - I have my shortcuts for e-mail
PM address and pwd - I'd like to submit my login name and password
PM automatically along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that?
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Re: SpamCop filters
Hi Allie, on Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:39:09 -0500GMT (09.02.03, 14:39 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PM I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically along PM with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that? AM No facility there on the web site to login automatically through a AM cookie? No cookies, but I found something in their FAQ to enter it in this way: http://name%40domain.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. I remember having tried this before and given up, because it doesn't work with Opera 6.05. It does however with Mozilla. So I'll change the batch file to use Mozilla for this task. :-) -- Cheers Peter My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1 , does yours? Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Hi Peter, on Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:14:26 +0100GMT (09.02.03, 15:14 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PM I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically along PM with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that? AM No facility there on the web site to login automatically through a AM cookie? PM No cookies, but I found something in their FAQ to enter it in this way: PM http://name%40domain.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. I remember having PM tried this before and given up, because it doesn't work with Opera 6.05. PM It does however with Mozilla. So I'll change the batch file to use PM Mozilla for this task. :-) Well, it works manually. But how do I get the filter to create such a URL in spamcop.bat? -- Cheers Peter If you ate pasta and antipasta, would you still be hungry? Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
I hit the keyboard shortcuts Ctrl+Alt+S and it put the message in the outbox, then I sent them, however I got this error message back from Spamcop: SpamCop encountered errors while saving spam for processing: SpamCop could not find your spam message in this email: -- Best Regards, ~John - - - Peter Meyns wrote - - - on Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:39:09 -0500GMT (09.02.03, 14:39 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PM I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically along PM with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that? AM No facility there on the web site to login automatically through a AM cookie? No cookies, but I found something in their FAQ to enter it in this way: http://name%40domain.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. I remember having tried this before and given up, because it doesn't work with Opera 6.05. It does however with Mozilla. So I'll change the batch file to use Mozilla for this task. :-) - - - End of Peter Meyns's message - - - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Is this how the reply template supposed to be setup? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From:%OFromName %OFromAddr To: %OToName %OToAddr Date:%ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn Subject: %OSubj Files: %Attachments --===-- %Text =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= %QUOTES -- Best Regards, ~John - - - ~John wrote - - - I hit the keyboard shortcuts Ctrl+Alt+S and it put the message in the outbox, then I sent them, however I got this error message back from Spamcop: SpamCop encountered errors while saving spam for processing: SpamCop could not find your spam message in this email: -- Best Regards, ~John - - - Peter Meyns wrote - - - on Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:39:09 -0500GMT (09.02.03, 14:39 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : PM I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically along PM with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that? AM No facility there on the web site to login automatically through a AM cookie? No cookies, but I found something in their FAQ to enter it in this way: http://name%40domain.com:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. I remember having tried this before and given up, because it doesn't work with Opera 6.05. It does however with Mozilla. So I'll change the batch file to use Mozilla for this task. :-) - - - End of Peter Meyns's message - - - - - - End of ~John's message - - - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi ~John, @9-Feb-2003, 14:17 -0600 (20:17 UK time) ~John [j] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have reformatted this message without the top posting because it is harder to work out what's going on in a vacuum. Please see below for a lecture on why it is preferable to *not* do that in this list. In terms of list rules you've ended up with far too many untrimmed quotes and not enough context. To put it succinctly - this is how your conversation appears: Terrible how does it smell? My dog's got no nose. Anyway - back to the topic: PM I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically PM along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that? (I have a new method to solve this and will reply further up the thread). ... snip I hit the keyboard shortcuts Ctrl+Alt+S and it put the message in the outbox, then I sent them, however I got this error message back from Spamcop: SpamCop encountered errors while saving spam for processing: SpamCop could not find your spam message in this email: j Is this how the reply template supposed to be setup? ... snip Your reply template has nothing to do with SpamCop submission, which uses a custom template built into the manual, hotkey triggered filter. If you have installed the filter correctly, it will format the message correctly. ** Stock essay about top posting. ** Top posting means that you put the cursor at the top of a reply and type everything you want to say there. Top posted replies make messages harder to read than they should be. When you are having a private conversation and you know what you're saying to an individual top posting has a certain validity (I still don't do it - I don't find it at all pleasant to read that way, but this isn't about my personal preferences). When you are in an environment where many readers and many topics are present at once, you force everyone to read your reply text (because it's at the top, it's seen first), think to themselves What's that about then?, scroll down to read the quotes for context, think Oh, I see... now I know what it's about, does that change anything in what I read first?, and scroll back up to read what you wrote in the light of improved context. It's much easier for the writer, yes. But email should be designed for the reader. A reply works better broken down conversationally: ___ Someone makes this point.. (snipped) A reply is made with this response. A point made two messages back (snipped) and this was said to make someone think Which leads to this summary. ¯¯¯ Only contextually relevant text remains. It is easy to read and follow the conversation without having to scroll up and down or think too hard or read more than once. Also, since the text is trimmed to the bare bones to facilitate the conversation, there's no worry about excess or untrimmed quotes. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+Rr0+OeQkq5KdzaARAnKiAKD23CwYQ/8v3gogblmm4y5RiiQdXACcCR9y ZzRPQeMrd28NmrfG6FcuxX0= =yv8t -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Peter, @9-Feb-2003, 14:24 +0100 (13:24 UK time) Peter Meyns [PM] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: PM ...I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically PM along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that? Yes - I just got this working: BeginFilter Name: SpamCop AutoResponder Active: 1 Source: \\Marck\Inbox Target: \\Marck\Trash CopyFolder: none MainSet: 00spamcop.net MainSet: 20SpamCop has accepted MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actions: faMarkRead,faExport,faExternal,faoExportOver,faoWaitCompletion ExtCmd: C:\temp\spamcop.bat ExtFile: C:\temp\spamcop.bat SaveTemplate: \22c:\5CProgram\20Files\5CInternet\20Explorer\5CIEXPLORE.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://marck:password@members.%-\0D\0A%REGEXPTEXT\3D\22spamcop.net/sc\5CS*\22\0D\0Acls\0D\0Aexit\0D\0A EndFilter - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+Rr7AOeQkq5KdzaARAsozAJ4oY/vL5pMjWBqMZFVp7CUqe3s3fwCfdZYm UnlsI5SMj2oKgE294Cw3MaI= =kr5F -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
I don't know what in the world your talking about, type a little more down-to-earth for me, just tell me do this or don't do this As for the SpamCop filter forget it, I was looking back through some past email's and agree with the argument that I would just be wasting my time reporting spam to spamcop -- Best Regards, ~John - - - Marck D Pearlstone wrote - - - @9-Feb-2003, 14:17 -0600 (20:17 UK time) ~John [j] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have reformatted this message without the top posting because it is harder to work out what's going on in a vacuum. Please see below for a lecture on why it is preferable to *not* do that in this list. In terms of list rules you've ended up with far too many untrimmed quotes and not enough context. To put it succinctly - this is how your conversation appears: Terrible how does it smell? My dog's got no nose. Anyway - back to the topic: PM I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically PM along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that? (I have a new method to solve this and will reply further up the thread). ... snip I hit the keyboard shortcuts Ctrl+Alt+S and it put the message in the outbox, then I sent them, however I got this error message back from Spamcop: SpamCop encountered errors while saving spam for processing: SpamCop could not find your spam message in this email: j Is this how the reply template supposed to be setup? ... snip Your reply template has nothing to do with SpamCop submission, which uses a custom template built into the manual, hotkey triggered filter. If you have installed the filter correctly, it will format the message correctly. ** Stock essay about top posting. ** Top posting means that you put the cursor at the top of a reply and type everything you want to say there. Top posted replies make messages harder to read than they should be. When you are having a private conversation and you know what you're saying to an individual top posting has a certain validity (I still don't do it - I don't find it at all pleasant to read that way, but this isn't about my personal preferences). When you are in an environment where many readers and many topics are present at once, you force everyone to read your reply text (because it's at the top, it's seen first), think to themselves What's that about then?, scroll down to read the quotes for context, think Oh, I see... now I know what it's about, does that change anything in what I read first?, and scroll back up to read what you wrote in the light of improved context. It's much easier for the writer, yes. But email should be designed for the reader. A reply works better broken down conversationally: - - - End of Marck D Pearlstone's message - - - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
On Sunday, February 9, 2003, 3:49 PM, you wrote: PM ...I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically PM along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that? MDP Yes - I just got this working: MDP BeginFilter MDP Name: SpamCop AutoResponder MDP Active: 1 MDP Source: \\Marck\Inbox MDP Target: \\Marck\Trash MDP CopyFolder: none MDP MainSet: 00spamcop.net MDP MainSet: 20SpamCop has accepted MDP MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MDP Actions: MDP faMarkRead,faExport,faExternal,faoExportOver,faoWaitCompletion MDP ExtCmd: C:\temp\spamcop.bat MDP ExtFile: C:\temp\spamcop.bat MDP SaveTemplate: MDP \22c:\5CProgram\20Files\5CInternet\20Explorer\5CIEXPLORE.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://marck:password@members.%-\0D\0A%REGEXPTEXT\3D\22spamcop.net/sc\5CS*\22\0D\0Acls\0D\0Aexit\0D\0A MDP EndFilter how does this get my password?? -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi ~John, @9-Feb-2003, 14:51 -0600 (20:51 UK time) ~John [j] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: j I don't know what in the world your talking about, type a little j more down-to-earth for me, Okay. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough for you. j just tell me do this Do this: Quote *only* what's relevant. Delete *everything* that isn't. Put your responses within, not above, the quoted text - like I have. That's the style used in this list. It's also a style that makes conversational message threads a whole lot easier to follow. j or don't do this Don't just hit reply and start typing. Don't leave masses of irrelevant quoted text in the message. j As for the SpamCop filter forget it, You asked the question about it... I thought you were looking for an answer. j I was looking back through some past email's and agree with the j argument that I would just be wasting my time reporting spam to j spamcop Nobody made that argument that I could see. They said that bouncing mail was a waste of time. SpamCop makes life hard for spammers with little effort from us. I don't consider it a waste of time. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+Ruu8OeQkq5KdzaARAq2NAKDyF/0S073W/iPFNwm3J2E5CGYq6QCcD7p8 zuJizv0o/HeXlFRzOg9rCf8= =BPiZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Paul, @9-Feb-2003, 17:18 -0500 (22:18 UK time) Paul Cartwright said: how does this get my password?? You have to edit *your* login and password in place of mine where it says marck:password (of course password is not my real password g). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+Ru2NOeQkq5KdzaARAiTgAKDX+Kni6BS+XOViayz2MOpa6APp5wCg8Kt+ xfr6qcglhup12oeUCBVFJCk= =aMsw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
- - - Marck D Pearlstone wrote, and ~John replied - - - Okay. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough for you. Thanks! Quote *only* what's relevant. Delete *everything* that isn't. Put your responses within, not above, the quoted text - like I have. Okay, I'll try, this is my first attempt. Nobody made that argument that I could see. There was a message that I noticed when I was searching the archives trying to figure out how to get the filter to work because of incomplete instructions (no offense, its just you gurus think everyone is as smart and as knowledgeable as you are.) And the person mentioned that he had tried SpamPal, SpamCop, etc.. etc.. and come to realize taht theBats filters was just as efficient. - - - End of Marck D Pearlstone's message, and ~John's Reply - - - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
On Sunday, February 9, 2003, 7:08 PM, you wrote: how does this get my password?? MDP You have to edit *your* login and password in place of mine where it MDP says marck:password (of course password is not my real password MDP g). DUH ! -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SpamCop filters
Hi Marck, Monday, February 10, 2003, 12:08:44 AM, you wrote: MDP You have to edit *your* login and password in place of mine where it MDP says marck:password (of course password is not my real password MDP g). Oh wow, and there was I thinking I could crack your system ;-) -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Hi Marck, on Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:49:02 +GMT (09.02.03, 21:49 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP Hash: SHA1 MDP Hi Peter, MDP @9-Feb-2003, 14:24 +0100 (13:24 UK time) Peter Meyns [PM] in MDP [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: PM ...I'd like to submit my login name and password automatically PM along with the URL. Any ideas if/how I could do that? MDP Yes - I just got this working: MDP BeginFilter MDP ... MDP \22c:\5CProgram\20Files\5CInternet\20Explorer\5CIEXPLORE.EXE\22\20%-\0D\0Ahttp://marck:password@members.%-\0D\0A%REGEXPTEXT\3D\22spamcop.net/sc\5CS*\22\0D\0Acls\0D\0Aexit\0D\0A MDP EndFilter Thanks a lot Marck! I'm just afraid it won't work completely for me as my username is an e-mail address to be submitted with %40 instead of @ (myname%40domain.com:password). If I enter it like this, the % is removed in the output. I understand the % has a certain function here, so how do I make the filter actually display the % sign in the batch file? Too bad I cannot actually test the filter right now because SpamCop is down for maintenance as they say... -- Cheers Peter The joyfulness of a man prolongeth his days. New Testament Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SpamCop filters
Hello Peter, On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:27:28 +0100 GMT (10/02/03, 13:27 +0700 GMT), Peter Meyns wrote: Thanks a lot Marck! I'm just afraid it won't work completely for me as my username is an e-mail address to be submitted with %40 instead of @ (myname%40domain.com:password). If I enter it like this, the % is removed in the output. I understand the % has a certain function here, so how do I make the filter actually display the % sign in the batch file? Usually escaping it with another % works. So if you need %40, you type %%40. (I didn't try it.) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. When you come to a fork in the road, take it! (Yogi Berra) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Old newbie back, wondering about copying filters
Hi Bat! people, I've just changed email addresses and had to start a new account in TB. What i wonder now is, can i copy one or more filters from one account to another? How do you do so that it gets everything right? TIA -- -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V1.63 Beta/5, on Windows 98 4 10 build Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=get_pgp_keys Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Old newbie back, wondering about copying filters
Hello Krister, welcome back. On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:37:04 +0100 GMT (03/02/03, 00:37 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: I've just changed email addresses and had to start a new account in TB. What i wonder now is, can i copy one or more filters from one account to another? Open the sorting office in the account you want to copy the filter from, go to the filter you want to copy. Hit crtl-C. Close the sorting office, go to the account into which you want to copy the filter. Open the sorting office, go to the first filter in the Incoming (or whatever) filter list, hit crtl-V. The filter is copied and appears as the last filter in the filter list. How do you do so that it gets everything right? I just tried it with only keyboard shortcuts (knowing that you are not a mouse type), and the filter was copied perfectly. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. No one is listening until you make a mistake. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Old newbie back, wondering about copying filters
Hello Krister, Sunday, February 2, 2003, 6:37:04 PM, you wrote: Hi Bat! people, I've just changed email addresses and had to start a new account in TB. What i wonder now is, can i copy one or more filters from one account to another? How do you do so that it gets everything right? TIA -- hey there! with CTRL-C in the Sorting Office (NOT the Copy Button). -- Gruß, Jurgenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Old newbie back, wondering about copying filters
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Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
TF Open the sorting office in the account you want to copy the filter
TF from, go to the filter you want to copy. Hit crtl-C. Close the
TF sorting office, go to the account into which you want to copy the
TF filter. Open the sorting office, go to the first filter in the
TF Incoming (or whatever) filter list, hit crtl-V. The filter is copied
TF and appears as the last filter in the filter list.
May I respectfully add that if you wish to copy multiple filters
across, this can be done by copying and pasting each filter your
preferred text editor window.
When finished, copy all the filters pasted in editor.
Now go to the target account, open it's filter configuration dialog
and paste the clipboard contents in the desired filter group. All
filters will be there magically added.
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Re: Old newbie back, wondering about copying filters
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, 5:37:04 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: KE I've just changed email addresses and had to start a new account in KE TB. What i wonder now is, can i copy one or more filters from one KE account to another? How do you do so that it gets everything right? Is it just the filters you want to copy, or do you have templates etc too? When I changed email addresses, I found it easier to change the Account Properties for transport, reply-to, etc, rather than set up a new account in TB. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
me and my filters again!
Hello everyone, it's me again, sorry for bugging with my problems with the filters, but it just seems to not get into my head: why does this not work (without the quotes): unsubscribe\sfrom.*mailing\slist I have put that into the STRING field and it does not filter out an email that contains the following text: To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a blank e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I understand, that \s means looking for a white space, and I think .* means just any characters between 'from' and 'mailing' (because I noticed that a lot use that phrase with little differentiations. -- regards, Jurgen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: me and my filters again!
Hello Jurgen Haug ! On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:42:04 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 29.01.2003, 13:42 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Jurgen Haug) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I understand, that \s means looking for a white space, and I think .* means just any characters between 'from' and 'mailing' (because I noticed that a lot use that phrase with little differentiations. You told your filter to use regular expressions? In your filter, tab options -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial for using regular expressions with TheBat! www.regenechsen.de --- As a general rule, it is the people who call you paranoid that really ARE out to get you!VBEG\ F. Michael Zimmerman in PGP-Basics --- now playing: WDR2 :-) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: me and my filters again!
Hello Gerd, Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 2:17:27 PM, you wrote: I understand, that \s means looking for a white space, and I think .* means just any characters between 'from' and 'mailing' (because I noticed that a lot use that phrase with little differentiations. You told your filter to use regular expressions? In your filter, tab options let me check ;-) yup, it's checked. so in your opinion it should work, huh? *tearing out hear* -- Gruß, Jurgenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: me and my filters again!
Hello Jurgen Haug ! On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:27:57 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 29.01.2003, 14:27 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Jurgen Haug) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: You told your filter to use regular expressions? In your filter, tab options let me check ;-) yup, it's checked. so in your opinion it should work, huh? *tearing out hear* *grmpfl* The regex matches your text, that is tested with the regex tester. And you have set the filter with the following conditions? StringsLocation Presence unsubscribe\sfrom.*mailing\slist Text yes and no other condition? :-/ -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial for using regular expressions with TheBat! www.regenechsen.de --- Air-conditioned environment - do NOT open Windows. --- now playing: WDR2 :-) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: me and my filters again!
Hello Gerd, Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 2:55:40 PM, you wrote: *grmpfl* The regex matches your text, that is tested with the regex tester. And you have set the filter with the following conditions? StringsLocation Presence unsubscribe\sfrom.*mailing\slist Text yes and no other condition? :-/ well, here we go: BeginFilter Name: SPAM filter Active: 1 Source: \\ePost Account Jürgen\Inbox Target: \\ePost Account Jürgen\SPAM CopyFolder: none MainSet: 30would\s+like.*removed\sfrom.*future\smailings AltSet:1: 30apologies.*if\s+you\s+have\s+been\s+sent.*this\s+email\s+in\s+error.*removal.*request AltSet:2: 41^To: AltSet:3: 30/remove.html AltSet:4: 30investment advisor AltSet:5: 30new england journal of medicine AltSet:6: 30horney\swi.e AltSet:7: 30unsubscribe\sfrom.*mailing\slist AltSet:8: 30I can help you lose.*pounds per week Actions: faoRegExp AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: ExtFile: ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: afiFrom, DelAddrItems: afiFrom, HotKey: 0 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter I bet the error waves with both hands at you, but it doesn't at me O:-) btw how do I make the regex not mind about a new line break? if you look above at AltSet1, it worked,but not with THIS one here: Please accept our apologies if you have been sent this email in error. We honor all removal requests. since after _honor_ comes a CR. I tried the RegEx up there at AltSet1 without the 'removal request' and it works, but not with its present state... I can only be the CR, no? My, this RegEx/Filter thing gives me headaches, but until you guys start screaming at me, I will try to get the gist of it! -- Gruß, Jurgenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: me and my filters again!
Hello Jurgen Haug ! On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:14:23 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 29.01.2003, 15:14 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Jurgen Haug) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: well, here we go: BeginFilter [...] EndFilter Hmm, I will read this one later I bet the error waves with both hands at you, but it doesn't at me O:-) btw how do I make the regex not mind about a new line break? (?s)apologies.*if\s+you\s+have\s+been\s+sent.*this\s+email\s+in\s+error.*removal.*request For further explanation I would like to redirect you to: ,-- [ http://www.regenechsen.de/regex_en/regex_4_en.html ] | s for DotAll | | As we learned in one of the first chapters, the dot matches any | character other than the newline character. Once this option is set, | the dot matches newlines as well. But this is not actually the whole | truth: the newline will also be matched by all negated character | classes that do not include the newline, e.g.: [^x] matches | everything except the character 'x': that includes any newline. '-- My, this RegEx/Filter thing gives me headaches, but until you guys start screaming at me, I will try to get the gist of it! LOL Just have a look at the regex-tutorial at www.regenechsen.de for that one. Maybe this helps -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial for using regular expressions with TheBat! www.regenechsen.de --- God wisely designed the human body so that we can neither pat our own backs nor kick ourselves too easily. unknown --- now playing: WDR2 :-) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: me and my filters again!
Hello Jurgen Haug ! On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:14:23 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 29.01.2003, 15:14 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Jurgen Haug) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: well, here we go: BeginFilter Ooops, there is not another filter that could match your unsubscribe-mail before this spam filter gets it? To be honest, I can't see why your filter shouldn't work. I created a mail with the text you wrote and it was filtered as ecpected... -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial for using regular expressions with TheBat! www.regenechsen.de --- Beware of little expenses; a small leak will sink a great ship. Benjamin Franklin --- now playing: WDR2 :-) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: me and my filters again!
Hello Gerd, Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 3:31:50 PM, you wrote: I bet the error waves with both hands at you, but it doesn't at me O:-) btw how do I make the regex not mind about a new line break? (?s)apologies.*if\s+you\s+have\s+been\s+sent.*this\s+email\s+in\s+error.*removal.*request For further explanation I would like to redirect you to: ,-- [ http://www.regenechsen.de/regex_en/regex_4_en.html ] that did it! Super! I owe you a Weizen! My, this RegEx/Filter thing gives me headaches, but until you guys start screaming at me, I will try to get the gist of it! LOL Just have a look at the regex-tutorial at www.regenechsen.de for that one. Maybe this helps *big smile* well the Regenechse is the cause of all the trouble! Before that, I just looked once at regular expressions and filed it under not-for-me and you guys had your peace. But since I stumpled over the Regenechsen, I try and there you go :-) SORRY I haven't seen that with the CR not being included with the . /SORRY -- Gruß, Jurgenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: me and my filters again!
Hello Gerd, Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 3:43:22 PM, you wrote: Hello Jurgen Haug ! On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:14:23 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 29.01.2003, 15:14 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Jurgen Haug) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: well, here we go: BeginFilter Ooops, there is not another filter that could match your unsubscribe-mail before this spam filter gets it? To be honest, I can't see why your filter shouldn't work. I created a mail with the text you wrote and it was filtered as ecpected... well, I've got only filters that move mails around, so if another filter would catch it, it would move it somewhere, but it just sits there and waits like a lead duck! Well, if it works on your side, but not on mine, maybe there are some funny characters in the text, which I can't see, or something like that. Let's put it to rest and wait until it comes up again ;-) Thanks for your patience! -- Gruß, Jurgenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 now playing: SWR3 O:-) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: me and my filters again!
Hello Jurgen Haug ! On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:43:04 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 29.01.2003, 15:43 (GMT+0100) where I live, you (Jurgen Haug) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: For further explanation I would like to redirect you to: ,-- [ http://www.regenechsen.de/regex_en/regex_4_en.html ] that did it! Super! I owe you a Weizen! LOL, thanks a lot. Bavaria? ;-)) From your other mail: Well, if it works on your side, but not on mine, maybe there are some funny characters in the text, which I can't see, or something like that. Let's put it to rest and wait until it comes up again ;-) You may forward such a mail and I test it again :-) Thanks for your patience! You're welcome :-) -- Best regards, Gerd === Tutorial for using regular expressions with TheBat! www.regenechsen.de You would like to meet interesting people using TheBat!? No problem, come to Burg Lohra :-)) TheBat!-User-Meeting 2003 http://www.thebat-by.nowicka.de Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
filters
Hello tbudl, Is there a way with a filter to check the message subject and if the subject meets the requirements (of the filter) then it will deleted from the server without first going into my inbox? -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Called a blind date to set up a meeting at a restaurant. I said, I'll be the one driving the Mercedes and wearing a Rolex. Never found her, but when I got home my place was robbed. -- [Imitation] Steven Wright Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: filters
Hallo greekdivers, On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:06:28 +0200GMT (29-1-03, 21:06 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: g Is there a way with a filter to check the message subject and if g the subject meets the requirements (of the filter) then it will g deleted from the server without first going into my inbox? Yes. Use the 'Selective download' filters and check your mail first with the mail dispatcher (Account - Dispatch mail on server). -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: filters
Hello greekdivers, Is there a way with a filter to check the message subject and if the subject meets the requirements (of the filter) then it will deleted from the server without first going into my inbox? Yes, try Selective Download filters. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: filters
Hello Miguel, Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 11:08:36 PM, you wrote: MAU Yes, try Selective Download filters. It worked,thanks -- Best regards, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Multiple AB entries from filters
In reply to Allie's message 'Multiple AB entries from filters' on Mon, 20 Jan 2003 06:42:14 -0500 from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Allie, AM For your filter that you use to add the address, you can go to the AM advanced tab and select, address must not be in address book // AM Items - sender . Cheers! Worked a treat. I have been putting off asking this on this list for ages because i thought it was a waste of time and space, I should have just asked in the beginning. Thanks Allie and most importantly, thank you Roelof for your tip. -- dan. e [EMAIL PROTECTED] w http://www.danhirning.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple AB entries from filters
Hallo Daniel, On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:13:19 +1100GMT (21-1-03, 12:13 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: DH I have been putting off asking this on this list for ages DH because i thought it was a waste of time and space, I should DH have just asked in the beginning. In that case you're not long enough on this list. I've got this clear memory of this subject being discussed. (With the same solution.) Must have been 2002 or 2001, therefore I didn't react any sooner. After all Allie reacted and with my confidence in him, I'd expected him to remember the proper solution. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple AB entries from filters
Hallo Allie, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:28:20 -0500GMT (19-1-03, 17:28 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: AM Perhaps something should be done about the filtering to address AM this issue (a switch to not add addresses when entries already AM contain the address to be added). This can be done. Set in your filter 'Addresses must not be listed in Address Book' (located on the options tab). That option checks whether the address is listed, it doesn't compare the names or whatever, only the address. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple AB entries from filters
Hallo Roelof, On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:50:21 +0100GMT (20-1-03, 11:50 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: RO Set in your filter 'Addresses must not be listed in Address Book' RO (located on the options tab) That would be the 'advanced' tab and not options, of course. ;-0 -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple AB entries from filters
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Roelof Otten [RO] wrote:'
RO This can be done. Set in your filter 'Addresses must not be listed
RO in Address Book' (located on the options tab). That option checks
RO whether the address is listed, it doesn't compare the names or
RO whatever, only the address.
Upon checking this, you're right. :)
Daniel,
For your filter that you use to add the address, you can go
to the advanced tab and select, address must not be in
address book // Items - sender .
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Transferring filters
Hi Bat! Fans, I am in the process of setting up a third isp (actually Hamster). Is there any way of simply transferring all my existing filters to this third isp from my other two accounts? Thanks! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Transferring filters
Hallo John, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:45:25 +1100GMT (19-1-03, 10:45 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: JP Is there any way of simply transferring all my existing filters to JP this third isp from my other two accounts? First you select the account with the most filters. ;-) Close TB Copy the file account.srx from the old account to the new account Start TB You'll see that the new account has the same filters as the old one Now you go to the sorting office of the other account Start an instance of a text editor (notepad, SmartBat, whatever) Select a filter, press Ctrl-C (not the copy-button, that's something else) Paste the selected filter into your text editor Do this for every filter you'd like to copy When you're done, select all filters in your text editor Copy them and paste them into the sorting office of the new account (This has to be done separately for incoming, outgoing, etc filters) Unfortunately the exporting can only be done one filter at the time, but the importing can be done all at once. That's the reason to use a text-editor as go-between, since it's easier to swap active windows than to copy a filter, close the sorting office, select other account, open sorting office, paste the filter, close sorting office, select the previous account, open the sorting office, sigh. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple AB entries from filters
Hello Allie, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 06:29:50 -0500 GMT (19/01/03, 18:29 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: DH As people seem to have a habit of changing their 'name' depending DH on their mood LOL! The same for e-mail addresses. I'm one of the guilty. No, I don't think you are causing a problem. ;-) The way I see it, AB and group templates don't work if the same email address is contained more than once in the AB. So, if you use different email addresses, no harm will be caused. However, new AB entries are are automatically created by filters based on the display name (according to Daniel, I haven't tested it) instead of the email address. So, different entries with the same email address are created. This causes problems. IMHO this discrepancy is a little bug. TB should use the *same* argument (and I vote for email address rather than display name) for creating new entries via the filtering system *and* when using templates. Just my 0.02 worth. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Neulich ist ein Statistiker gestorben. Er hinterlaesst eine Frau und zweieinhalb Kinder. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple AB entries from filters
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Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote:'
TF However, new AB entries are are automatically created by filters
TF based on the display name (according to Daniel, I haven't tested
TF it) instead of the email address. So, different entries with the
TF same email address are created. This causes problems.
Hmmm. It's possible that two people could be using the same address,
for example, a support address or something similar. Being able to
define each person separately is an advantage and should be considered
a feature.
However, I do admit that the problems it creates may very well
outweigh the advantage. I wonder if the solution is to do away with
it. Perhaps something should be done about the filtering to address
this issue (a switch to not add addresses when entries already contain
the address to be added).
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Re: Transferring filters
Hi Roelof, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, at 15:04:55 [GMT +0100] (which was 01:04 where I live) you wrote: First you select the account with the most filters. ;-) Close TB etc. Thanks for the help! -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 A living example of Artificial Intelligence. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple AB entries from filters
Hello Allie, On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:28:20 -0500 GMT (19/01/03, 23:28 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: However, I do admit that the problems it creates may very well outweigh the advantage. I wonder if the solution is to do away with it. Perhaps something should be done about the filtering to address this issue (a switch to not add addresses when entries already contain the address to be added). Another option... but yes, that could be the solution. But please also check this out: Now, the filtering system says under the Advanced tab: Address(es) must be listed in the addressbook. It clearly says *adress* and not *display name*. I would have believed that (namely the address rather than the duisplay name) is what the filter is looking for. Just because it says so. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Multiple AB entries from filters
Hello all out there in TBUDL world, Quite a few of my filters add the From address to specific groups within my Address Book. However, I am now noticing quite a lot of doubling - and indeed tripling - up of addresses. It seems that the 'Add address(es) to Address Book' action bases it's decision on whether to add the address or not on what appears in the 'Display Name As' field in the address book, rather than the email address. As people seem to have a habit of changing their 'name' depending on their mood - or perhaps which side of the bed they got out on, or the cycle of the moon, the directions of the tides or if they have reached their daily caffeine quota, or whatever it is they base this decision on - I am getting quite a lot of multiple entries for the same person/email address. Not to mention the times that I have manually gone in and correctly filled in their name instead of 'Lame made up nickname' they insist on using. As a result, one email address can be taking up numerous AB entires, for absolutely no reason - or certainly not a productive reason in my case. After all this, TB then seems to take an almost random approach as to which AB entry to pull the fields out of when used in templates... (and this is how I discovered the multiply entires) Is there a way to add address book entries ONLY if the email address isn't already present in the specific group? Or is this just a little 'feature' that I must learn to live with? Cheers! -- dan. e [EMAIL PROTECTED] w http://www.danhirning.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Issue with In-Box Filters
Thanks for the info. I used the actions tab, and set both a flag and the color group. On a test message, it did set the flag properly, but not the color. Perhaps just a problem unique to me? Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 8:07:53 AM, TF wrote: TF OK, here is the confusion. Action and Advanced are two different TF things. And I am not sure yet which of these you want to achieve. TF Actions: This is used in order to set the message to a colour group. TF Advanced: This is an additional condition, meaning the filter should TF be triggered only if the message already has the colour group. TF Pick your choice. I am not sure which one you mean, but certainly it TF doesn't make sense to set the message to a colour group if, and only TF if, it already has the colour group. ;-) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Issue with In-Box Filters
ON Wednesday, January 15, 2003, 3:45:48 PM, you wrote: RHS Thanks for the info. I used the actions tab, and set both a flag and RHS the color group. On a test message, it did set the flag properly, but RHS not the color. Perhaps just a problem unique to me? Hi Richard, There is a know problem with flags. If you set a flag you can't filter on it on the same instance. For example if you have a In-Box filter that sets the flag, an other filter in the Inbox group will not see this flag as set. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Someone once told me that there is more to life than golf. I think it was my ex-wife. Using The Bat! v1.62h on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Issue with In-Box Filters
Hello Richard, On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:45:48 -0500 GMT (15/01/03, 21:45 +0700 GMT), Richard H. Stoddard wrote: Thanks for the info. I used the actions tab, and set both a flag and the color group. On a test message, it did set the flag properly, but not the color. Perhaps just a problem unique to me? This is confusing. Did the same filter also use the colour group under the Advanced tab? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Issue with In-Box Filters
I am having problems with filters for my in-boxes. I am using the inbox-known for many of my contacts, but would also like to add a filter identifying a few with a color group. The transfer to the inbox-known works fine, but the color group filters do not. On the rule tab, the source folder is set as the in box and set to move them to the inbox-known. (I had no options available on the source folder.) The rule is active, and the string is set for the sender. On both the Actions and Advanced tabs I have set the color group I want for these messages. On the options tab, I have tried both checking and unchecking continue processing with other filters. I have also tried moving the filter ahead of the Known filter and down to the bottom just in case sequencing was an issue, but there is no difference. I'm using TheBat! v.1.62 Christmas. (I'm sing an Interne account to send, however, because I'm temporarily overseas and cannot send from the account at which I'm subscribed, in case anyone wonders why TB! doesn't show up in the headers.) Obviously I'm missing something. Any advice? Thanks, Rick Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Issue with In-Box Filters
Hello Richard, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:43:03 -0500 GMT (15/01/03, 09:43 +0700 GMT), Richard H. Stoddard wrote: I am having problems with filters for my in-boxes. I am using the inbox-known for many of my contacts, but would also like to add a filter identifying a few with a color group. The transfer to the inbox-known works fine, but the color group filters do not. On the rule tab, the source folder is set as the in box and set to move them to the inbox-known. (I had no options available on the source folder.) The rule is active, and the string is set for the sender. On both the Actions and Advanced tabs I have set the color group I want for these messages. OK, here is the confusion. Action and Advanced are two different things. And I am not sure yet which of these you want to achieve. Actions: This is used in order to set the message to a colour group. Advanced: This is an additional condition, meaning the filter should be triggered only if the message already has the colour group. Pick your choice. I am not sure which one you mean, but certainly it doesn't make sense to set the message to a colour group if, and only if, it already has the colour group. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Next Sunday a special collection will be taken to defray the cost of the new carpet. All those wishing to do something on the new carpet will come forward and do so. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Issue with In-Box Filters
Hello Richard, On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, at 21:43:03 GMT -0500 (1/14/2003, 8:43 PM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am having problems with filters for my in-boxes. I am using the inbox-known for many of my contacts, but would also like to add a filter identifying a few with a color group. The transfer to the inbox-known works fine, but the color group filters do not. See Signal strings Filtering actions in the help file. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think besides the Known filter you will have to have an additional filter for each color group. In the Known filter make sure you have Continue processing with other filters checked. For each additional filter associated with a color group you would use the email address as the search string on sender. For each additional address associated with the same color group go to the Alternatives tab, and add a set. On the Action tab select and check Set the message's colour group to. Good luck! -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Read filters
I'm starting to use the read-filters and noticed that the ctrl-M shortcut doesn't trigger them (I have to open the msg in a new window to execute the filter). I think I'll add it to the bugtrack site, but before I'd like to know if I'm the only one seeing this. Maybe it's fixed the last builds (I'm still using 1.60c). Do you see the same? -- Ricardo M. Reyes | (Mar del Plata - Argentina) | Usando The Bat! 1.60c Help ... I can't find my Any key! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting Office/Filters
Hello, I've just switched to 'The Bat!', and am still exploring all the functions and features of this program. I have a simple question about the 'Sorting Office' (Account Sorting Office/Filters): Is it possible to apply a newly created 'Sorting Rule' to the messages that are *currently* in the Inbox? This is possible in Outlook Expr, but I can't find a similar function in 'The Bat!'. Can someone help me out? -- Greetings, Raf Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office/Filters
Is it possible to apply a newly created 'Sorting Rule' to the messages that are *currently* in the Inbox? This is possible in Outlook Expr, but I can't find a similar function in 'The Bat!'. Can someone help me out? After you've created the filter, use View menu - Re-filter command. (It will run all defined filters, or classes of filters, though. I'm not sure if it's possible to run just one filter selectively.) .marek jedlinski -- No ads, no nags freeware: http://keynote.prv.pl (KeyNote, PhoneDeck, KookieJar, Oubliette) I've noticed that the press tends to be quite accurate, except when they're writing on a subject I know something about. (Keith F. Lynch) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office/Filters
Is it possible to apply a newly created 'Sorting Rule' to the messages that are *currently* in the Inbox? This is possible in Outlook Expr, but I can't find a similar function in 'The Bat!'. Can someone help me out? Folder - Re-filter - Click for Incoming Mail. / St Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office/Filters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, December 30, 2002 Raf Hofmans stated: RH Hello, RH I've just switched to 'The Bat!', and am still exploring all the RH functions and features of this program. Welcome aboard RH Is it possible to apply a newly created 'Sorting Rule' to the messages RH that are *currently* in the Inbox? This is possible in Outlook Expr, Right click on the Inbox folder (or any folder that you want to re-process) and select Re-filter messages. Cheers \\' - -- Running TB! version 1.62 Christmas Edition under Windows 2000 5.0 on a 500mhz P-III wtih 512mb Ram -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt http://www.ipgpp.com/ iQA/AwUBPhDm6JbaVbYeHoVgEQLfRACg0kiy7OplBOnRcz/x/BanBvYVPHEAoJsf lu4/zhoMl3VK/41ruGkv0cGr =WJiB -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to browse in 200 filters?
Dear all, I have over 200 filters in The Bat. I'm trying to find a quick way to navigate through all the filters. Any suggestions? -- Henkmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to browse in 200 filters?
Hallo Henk, On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:59:26 +0100GMT (25-12-02, 16:59 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: HvE I have over 200 filters in The Bat. I'm trying to find a quick way to HvE navigate through all the filters. Any suggestions? Best way is to give them meaningful names. Also it's best to limit your filters as much as possible. When you want to do two things with messages that meet the same set of conditions, try to do that with one filter. When you want to apply the same action to multiple conditions, enter those alternate conditions on the alternate tab. When you're filtering groups of senders in the same folder, make use of address book groups, that makes maintenance of your filters easier too. BTW You're starting a new thread again by replying to a message in another thread, look in your own message for the References header, than you'll see it for yourself. I explained in a previous message to you why that isn't a good idea. Read it again in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (supposing you don't delete messages after reading them), it's really quite annoying to find new messages in a thread about another topic. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters for both in and out boxes
In reply to Thomas's message 'Filters for both in and out boxes' on Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:53:38 +0700 from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thomas, TF I therefore suggested repeatedly that these filter functions TF (incoming, outgoing, read, replied) should not be seperated into TF different filters, but we should be able to create only one filter TF with tickmarks apply to: incoming, outgoing, etc. mail, with TF multiple choices possible. Personally, I think you should be able to add filters to address book entries, but that is just my little wish... it might not work for other people. -- dan. e [EMAIL PROTECTED] w http://www.danhirning.com Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
