[Texascavers] TCR Survey Contest Results 2022

[David Ochel]

Hi all,

This year's Survey Contest involved an about 110 meter long loop of 
eight stations to be surveyed with Suuntos and tape. The course included 
going through a flood water culvert, dealing with a survey shot that was 
longer than the provided survey tape, and a station located on a steel 
railing.


Cait McCann-Terán and Oscar Berrones made 1st place with a loop closure 
error of 1.39 meters; yielding them cash prizes of $30 each, a survey 
pouch full of GGG goodies, a copy of Bill Steele's book Huautla, and a 
rare Caveskinz pouch. Team Rutherford's loop closure error would have 
been 0.46 meters, had they not flipped the vertical direction in the 
recording of a back sight shot (and who hasn't before?). As reward for 
making 2nd place Ron, Barb, Ashley, Rick, and Kevin got cash prizes of 
$20 each, as well as a number of GGG goodies.


Many thanks to our main sponsors: the DFW Grotto for the donation of 
cash prizes, and Gonzo Guano Gear for survey pouches and a whole host of 
other goodies. Thanks also go to Andrea Croskrey for helping to design 
and set up the survey course, and Dale Barnard for helping with 
crunching the numbers.


Cheers,
David
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[Texascavers] TCR Friday Night Wine Tasting

[jranzau]

There might be a Texas Caver Gathering, Speleo Olympics, Meetings, and an 
Auction.  We can’t know for sure. 

What we do know is that we’re bringing back the official - unofficial Friday 
night wine tasting at TCR! 10/14/22

We’ll be up top nearish to the vendors and other groups. Starts around dark 30 
or really whatever time we get ourselves together. 

Look for the group of cavers loitering around a table with more wine bottles 
than seems reasonable. 

No official group food but someone usually brings snacks. Be like that person, 
wine goes better with snacks!

If you don’t drink wine, you do you and bring what ya like. We’ll judge but 
we’ll still “taste” with you!

Joe Ranzau
210.289.6839
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR pre-registration

[Katherine Arens]

i second the kudos to Heather and the ease of paperless.  SO much easier!
katie

On Oct 19, 2021, at 12:14 PM, Heather Tucek 
mailto:trog...@cavechat.org>> wrote:

You are most welcome. I think the paperless registration went pretty well, i 
think I'll continue doing that for future TCRs

It was great to see you!!



On Tuesday, 19 October 2021, Linda Palit 
mailto:linda.k.pa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for all the registration work last weekend. It seemed smooth, efficient 
and safe, as always.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:34 AM Heather Tucek 
mailto:trog...@cavechat.org>> wrote:
If you are going to TCR this weekend, It would be super awesome if you would 
preregister. That will make your time at the registration desk go much faster, 
and as I am not having volunteers this year, will make my headache less as well!
Registration will be open from whenever I get there after work (hopefully no 
later than 7/8pm) until 9:30pm on Friday, and from 7ish am to 6pm (when dinner 
starts) on Saturday. There will be no Sunday late-registration, so make sure 
you get there on time (or do it online before you come, then all you need to do 
is drop by for a wristband!)


Here is the web page for pre-registration:
https://cavetexas.org/tcr2021


-heather



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Re: [Texascavers] TCR pre-registration

[Heather Tucek]

You are most welcome. I think the paperless registration went pretty well,
i think I'll continue doing that for future TCRs

It was great to see you!!



On Tuesday, 19 October 2021, Linda Palit  wrote:

> Thanks for all the registration work last weekend. It seemed smooth,
> efficient and safe, as always.
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:34 AM Heather Tucek 
> wrote:
>
>> If you are going to TCR this weekend, It would be super awesome if you
>> would preregister. That will make your time at the registration desk go
>> much faster, and as I am not having volunteers this year, will make my
>> headache less as well!
>> Registration will be open from whenever I get there after work (hopefully
>> no later than 7/8pm) until 9:30pm on Friday, and from 7ish am to 6pm (when
>> dinner starts) on Saturday. There will be no Sunday late-registration, so
>> make sure you get there on time (or do it online before you come, then all
>> you need to do is drop by for a wristband!)
>>
>>
>> Here is the web page for pre-registration:
>> https://cavetexas.org/tcr2021
>>
>>
>> -heather
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Go find out!*
>> -Heather Tuček
>> TSA Membership Chair
>> NSS 59660
>> (512) 773-1348
>> members...@cavetexas.org
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR pre-registration

[Linda Palit]

Thanks for all the registration work last weekend. It seemed smooth,
efficient and safe, as always.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:34 AM Heather Tucek  wrote:

> If you are going to TCR this weekend, It would be super awesome if you
> would preregister. That will make your time at the registration desk go
> much faster, and as I am not having volunteers this year, will make my
> headache less as well!
> Registration will be open from whenever I get there after work (hopefully
> no later than 7/8pm) until 9:30pm on Friday, and from 7ish am to 6pm (when
> dinner starts) on Saturday. There will be no Sunday late-registration, so
> make sure you get there on time (or do it online before you come, then all
> you need to do is drop by for a wristband!)
>
>
> Here is the web page for pre-registration:
> https://cavetexas.org/tcr2021
>
>
> -heather
>
>
>
> --
> *Go find out!*
> -Heather Tuček
> TSA Membership Chair
> NSS 59660
> (512) 773-1348
> members...@cavetexas.org
>
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[Texascavers] TCR pre-registration

[Heather Tucek]

If you are going to TCR this weekend, It would be super awesome if you
would preregister. That will make your time at the registration desk go
much faster, and as I am not having volunteers this year, will make my
headache less as well!
Registration will be open from whenever I get there after work (hopefully
no later than 7/8pm) until 9:30pm on Friday, and from 7ish am to 6pm (when
dinner starts) on Saturday. There will be no Sunday late-registration, so
make sure you get there on time (or do it online before you come, then all
you need to do is drop by for a wristband!)


Here is the web page for pre-registration:
https://cavetexas.org/tcr2021


-heather



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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 11 Years Ago

[Logan]

And Ernie.

On 6/6/2020 5:22 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote:


If you go here today you see a picture from
the 10/17/2009 TCR:
http://www.mflan.com/dailyfilepost.htm

Lots of people in that pic, including Pete.


Mike

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[Texascavers] TCR 11 Years Ago

[Mike Flannigan]

If you go here today you see a picture from
the 10/17/2009 TCR:
http://www.mflan.com/dailyfilepost.htm

Lots of people in that pic, including Pete.


Mike

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR

[James Jasek]

N

Sent from my iPhoneX

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 11:58 AM, James Jasek  wrote:
> 



Sent from my iPhoneX

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Mimi Jasek  wrote:
> 

For those who might want to know, if all goes well tomorrow and next week, we 
should be at TCR, at least by sometime Saturday morn at the latest. Jim had a 
facial skin cancer scare - Melanoma Stage 2 - but they got it all before it 
spread as of yesterday. At present he looks like he had a fight with a 
stalactite and it won, but surgery to close wound tomorrow should fix damage. 
Barring complications, doc will give us clearance to come - and for once I am 
not working. Hopefully see you there!

Use your sunscreen!!

Mimi and Jim Jasek

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR

[James Jasek]

Sent from my iPhoneX

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Mimi Jasek  wrote:
> 

For those who might want to know, if all goes well tomorrow and next week, we 
should be at TCR, at least by sometime Saturday morn at the latest. Jim had a 
facial skin cancer scare - Melanoma Stage 2 - but they got it all before it 
spread as of yesterday. At present he looks like he had a fight with a 
stalactite and it won, but surgery to close wound tomorrow should fix damage. 
Barring complications, doc will give us clearance to come - and for once I am 
not working. Hopefully see you there!

Use your sunscreen!!

Mimi and Jim Jasek

Sent from my iPhone
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[Texascavers] TCR

[Mimi Jasek]

For those who might want to know, if all goes well tomorrow and next week, we 
should be at TCR, at least by sometime Saturday morn at the latest. Jim had a 
facial skin cancer scare - Melanoma Stage 2 - but they got it all before it 
spread as of yesterday. At present he looks like he had a fight with a 
stalactite and it won, but surgery to close wound tomorrow should fix damage. 
Barring complications, doc will give us clearance to come - and for once I am 
not working. Hopefully see you there!

Use your sunscreen!!

Mimi and Jim Jasek

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[Texascavers] TCR Oct 11-13 at Paradise Canyon

[Logan]

For those who have not heard, the Texas Caver Reunion is Oct 11-13 at 
Paradise Canyon.












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Re: [Texascavers] TCR registration call for volunteers!

[Heather Tucek]

Sorry, for clarification: this is for Texas Caver's Reunion, October 11-13,
2019.
Registration is open from 8pm-10pm Friday, October 11, and 9am-6pm
Saturday, October 12.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 10:07, Heather Tucek  wrote:

> Greetings all! Here's is the annual email you always seem to hate seeing
> from me, but here we go:
>
> I'm looking for a few people to help out at the registration desk at TCR
> this year. I've already got a couple of people, but I'm hoping to get just
> a few more. If you are interested in helping, please email me off-list, and
> I can let you know what shifts we have still unclaimed, and get you signed
> up!
>
> *If you are planning on running for TSA Secretary, it's actually really
> important this year for you to volunteer at least one shift,* so I can
> show you how everything works, since starting in January, the job of
> registration person (for both TCR and for TSA Convention) is planned to
> shifted to be the TSA Secretary's responsibility. This will be my last time
> as registration person, and I need to train anyone who is hoping to take
> over the Secretary's position.
>
> *Registration this year is currently planned for:*
> *8pm-10pm on Friday*
> *9am-6pm Saturday*
> (*PLEASE come and register with us as soon as you get there (*this is
> extra important, since there is a site release form you need to sign!)*,
> before setting up your camp! The sooner we can get everyone signed in, the
> more fun the people having to run the table get to have! We really don't
> like having to be last in the dinner line because people come get us after
> we close up and demand us to pull everything out again even though they've
> already been there all weekend. PLEASE don't be that person this year!!*)
>
>
> Let me know if you'd like to help! No hate mail this year please, my
> emotions can't take it!
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Heather Tucek
> trog...@cavechat.org
>
>
>
> --
> *Go find out!*
> -Heather Tuček
> TSA Membership Chair
> NSS 59660
> (512) 773-1348
> members...@cavetexas.org
>
>

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR registration call for volunteers!

[Diana Tomchick]

Hey Heather,

It would be good to list the dates for TCR along with this message.

Diana

**
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Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
UT Southwestern Medical Center
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Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

On Sep 17, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Heather Tucek 
mailto:trog...@cavechat.org>> wrote:

Greetings all! Here's is the annual email you always seem to hate seeing from 
me, but here we go:

I'm looking for a few people to help out at the registration desk at TCR this 
year. I've already got a couple of people, but I'm hoping to get just a few 
more. If you are interested in helping, please email me off-list, and I can let 
you know what shifts we have still unclaimed, and get you signed up!

If you are planning on running for TSA Secretary, it's actually really 
important this year for you to volunteer at least one shift, so I can show you 
how everything works, since starting in January, the job of registration person 
(for both TCR and for TSA Convention) is planned to shifted to be the TSA 
Secretary's responsibility. This will be my last time as registration person, 
and I need to train anyone who is hoping to take over the Secretary's position.

Registration this year is currently planned for:
8pm-10pm on Friday
9am-6pm Saturday
(PLEASE come and register with us as soon as you get there (this is extra 
important, since there is a site release form you need to sign!), before 
setting up your camp! The sooner we can get everyone signed in, the more fun 
the people having to run the table get to have! We really don't like having to 
be last in the dinner line because people come get us after we close up and 
demand us to pull everything out again even though they've already been there 
all weekend. PLEASE don't be that person this year!!)


Let me know if you'd like to help! No hate mail this year please, my emotions 
can't take it!
Thanks in advance!

-Heather Tucek
trog...@cavechat.org



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[Texascavers] TCR registration call for volunteers!

[Heather Tucek]

Greetings all! Here's is the annual email you always seem to hate seeing
from me, but here we go:

I'm looking for a few people to help out at the registration desk at TCR
this year. I've already got a couple of people, but I'm hoping to get just
a few more. If you are interested in helping, please email me off-list, and
I can let you know what shifts we have still unclaimed, and get you signed
up!

*If you are planning on running for TSA Secretary, it's actually really
important this year for you to volunteer at least one shift,* so I can show
you how everything works, since starting in January, the job of
registration person (for both TCR and for TSA Convention) is planned to
shifted to be the TSA Secretary's responsibility. This will be my last time
as registration person, and I need to train anyone who is hoping to take
over the Secretary's position.

*Registration this year is currently planned for:*
*8pm-10pm on Friday*
*9am-6pm Saturday*
(*PLEASE come and register with us as soon as you get there (*this is extra
important, since there is a site release form you need to sign!)*, before
setting up your camp! The sooner we can get everyone signed in, the more
fun the people having to run the table get to have! We really don't like
having to be last in the dinner line because people come get us after we
close up and demand us to pull everything out again even though they've
already been there all weekend. PLEASE don't be that person this year!!*)


Let me know if you'd like to help! No hate mail this year please, my
emotions can't take it!
Thanks in advance!

-Heather Tucek
trog...@cavechat.org



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[Texascavers] TCR

[Denise P]

Well that was a fun TCR! Great music, food, stories, events, meetings, vendors, 
parade, people! Glad folks showed up despite the weather forecast, it certainly 
turned out better than expected! Thanks for everyone's hard work!

 Cheers, Denise
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[Texascavers] TCR and TCMA

[Denise P]

Howdy, well it's wet out there but hopefully drying up some for TCR which is 
this weekend at the lovely Paradise Canyon! TCMA will be there and looking 
forward to seeing you!

On Friday night, we will be wine tasting and celebrating Bill Steele's 
birthday, rumor has it there will be awesome live music by the Gary Franklin 
Band (or at least some of its members)!  This is not an official TCMA function, 
but will be well attended by our members.

Please stop by our table/booth throughout the weekend. We love new 
members/renewals and will be selling t-shirts, including the annual event 
t-shirt by the talented Chris Vreeland! There is limited internet and cell 
reception at the campground, so we are hoping folks bring cash (or check).

On Saturday at noon, we will have our members meeting. We will discuss the 
upcoming board election and hopefully introduce some prospective new board 
members. Bring your lunch and hang out with us! Should last about an hour or 
so. Location TBD, usually near the office.

>From 11 am to 5 pm on Saturday, TCMA will sponsor the Ropes Challenge headed 
>by Ken Demarest. This should be interesting, so come on by to either 
>participate or watch; there's a fabulous prize for the winner!

Unfortunately, the wet weather has prompted us to cancel our art silent 
auction. We don't want those lovely works of art getting soggy! We appreciate 
all the support donors have shown us! We will make up for it at Spring 
Convention!

And wrapping it up on Sunday morning from approx. 8 to 10 am, we will be 
serving breakfast, suggested donation of $5 (plus) per person. Breakfast tacos, 
coffee, juice, fruit, yogurt, that kind of thing! Please bring your own cups, 
plates, utensils. Save a tree!

Looking forward to seeing you lovely people there! Cavers ain't afraid of no 
rain or mud!

Cheers,
Denise Prendergast












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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

[Charles Loving]

You could end the story telling with a laughing contest. The idea of a
farting contest was nixed by my wife. The last one of those I attended was
a real stinker.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 8:40 PM Charles Loving  wrote:

> Yes, that was him in his more outrageous and liberal days. As luck would
> have it he wore clothes.
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 8:38 PM  wrote:
>
>> Excuse me...that's Bill Elliott, Living Fossil!
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEE
>> SNORTSNIRTSNOORT
>> COFFCOFFHAKHAKHAK
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> William R. (Bill) Elliott
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
>>
>> Bill Elliot won the laughing contest at Luckenbach.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 3:12 PM Bill Steele 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just practiced telling my story and timed it: 3:05. First time out and
>>> it was rough. I can do it in three minutes.
>>>
>>> I’m going to emcee the contest. I’ll start off and go first. I won’t
>>> compete for the prize.
>>>
>>> Bill Steele
>>> speleoste...@aol.com
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Allan Cobb  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got my story lined up and can tell it in three minutes.
>>>
>>> Allan
>>>
>>> On 10/11/2018 2:34 PM, Bill Steele wrote:
>>>
>>> Face the challenge, Logan. Practice with a stopwatch. Tell a short
>>> version of your best story. The prize is $30 for a three minute story, or
>>> six-hundred bucks an hour.
>>>
>>> Bill Steele
>>> speleoste...@aol.com
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Logan  wrote:
>>>
>>> Excellent Idea! We should have been doing that for years. The 3 minute
>>> rule is understandable, but there are many memorable stories that won't be
>>> told using that time frame.
>>>
>>> On 10/11/2018 10:54 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
>>>
>>> Cavers love telling stories. There are countless good ones. Here’s your
>>> chance to have it pay off.
>>>
>>> The DFW Grotto is hosting a Caver Storytelling Contest at TCR. Come with
>>> your best one at *midnight, Friday, Oct. 19*. Three minutes max, with a
>>> caver whistle blast to tell you your time is up. Time-left cards held up
>>> with 2 minutes to go and at 1. To be video recorded to put on Facebook, if
>>> you agree. The storyteller judged best by a panel of judges will win a free
>>> TCR registration, to be refunded to you by the TCR honchos. Location
>>> information will be available at the TCR registration booth.
>>>
>>> Bill Steele
>>> speleoste...@aol.com
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

[Charles Loving]

Yes, that was him in his more outrageous and liberal days. As luck would
have it he wore clothes.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 8:38 PM  wrote:

> Excuse me...that's Bill Elliott, Living Fossil!
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEE
> SNORTSNIRTSNOORT
> COFFCOFFHAKHAKHAK
>
> Thanks,
>
> William R. (Bill) Elliott
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
>
> Bill Elliot won the laughing contest at Luckenbach.
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 3:12 PM Bill Steele 
> wrote:
>
>> I just practiced telling my story and timed it: 3:05. First time out and
>> it was rough. I can do it in three minutes.
>>
>> I’m going to emcee the contest. I’ll start off and go first. I won’t
>> compete for the prize.
>>
>> Bill Steele
>> speleoste...@aol.com
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Allan Cobb  wrote:
>>
>> I've got my story lined up and can tell it in three minutes.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>> On 10/11/2018 2:34 PM, Bill Steele wrote:
>>
>> Face the challenge, Logan. Practice with a stopwatch. Tell a short
>> version of your best story. The prize is $30 for a three minute story, or
>> six-hundred bucks an hour.
>>
>> Bill Steele
>> speleoste...@aol.com
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Logan  wrote:
>>
>> Excellent Idea! We should have been doing that for years. The 3 minute
>> rule is understandable, but there are many memorable stories that won't be
>> told using that time frame.
>>
>> On 10/11/2018 10:54 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
>>
>> Cavers love telling stories. There are countless good ones. Here’s your
>> chance to have it pay off.
>>
>> The DFW Grotto is hosting a Caver Storytelling Contest at TCR. Come with
>> your best one at *midnight, Friday, Oct. 19*. Three minutes max, with a
>> caver whistle blast to tell you your time is up. Time-left cards held up
>> with 2 minutes to go and at 1. To be video recorded to put on Facebook, if
>> you agree. The storyteller judged best by a panel of judges will win a free
>> TCR registration, to be refunded to you by the TCR honchos. Location
>> information will be available at the TCR registration booth.
>>
>> Bill Steele
>> speleoste...@aol.com
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

[speodesmus]

Excuse me...that's Bill Elliott, Living Fossil!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEE
SNORTSNIRTSNOORT
COFFCOFFHAKHAKHAK

Thanks,

William R. (Bill) Elliott
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 11, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:

Bill Elliot won the laughing contest at Luckenbach.

> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 3:12 PM Bill Steele  wrote:
> I just practiced telling my story and timed it: 3:05. First time out and it 
> was rough. I can do it in three minutes. 
> 
> I’m going to emcee the contest. I’ll start off and go first. I won’t compete 
> for the prize.
> 
> Bill Steele
> speleoste...@aol.com
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Allan Cobb  wrote:
>> 
>> I've got my story lined up and can tell it in three minutes.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>>> On 10/11/2018 2:34 PM, Bill Steele wrote:
>>> Face the challenge, Logan. Practice with a stopwatch. Tell a short version 
>>> of your best story. The prize is $30 for a three minute story, or 
>>> six-hundred bucks an hour.
>>> 
>>> Bill Steele 
>>> speleoste...@aol.com
>>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Logan  wrote:
>>> 
 Excellent Idea! We should have been doing that for years. The 3 minute 
 rule is understandable, but there are many memorable stories that won't be 
 told using that time frame. 
 
> On 10/11/2018 10:54 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
> Cavers love telling stories. There are countless good ones. Here’s your 
> chance to have it pay off.
> 
> The DFW Grotto is hosting a Caver Storytelling Contest at TCR. Come with 
> your best one at midnight, Friday, Oct. 19. Three minutes max, with a 
> caver whistle blast to tell you your time is up. Time-left cards held up 
> with 2 minutes to go and at 1. To be video recorded to put on Facebook, 
> if you agree. The storyteller judged best by a panel of judges will win a 
>   free TCR registration, to be refunded to you by the TCR 
> honchos. Location information will be available at the TCR registration 
> booth.
> 
> Bill Steele 
> speleoste...@aol.com
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

[Charles Loving]

Bill Elliot won the laughing contest at Luckenbach.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 3:12 PM Bill Steele 
wrote:

> I just practiced telling my story and timed it: 3:05. First time out and
> it was rough. I can do it in three minutes.
>
> I’m going to emcee the contest. I’ll start off and go first. I won’t
> compete for the prize.
>
> Bill Steele
> speleoste...@aol.com
>
> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Allan Cobb  wrote:
>
> I've got my story lined up and can tell it in three minutes.
>
> Allan
>
> On 10/11/2018 2:34 PM, Bill Steele wrote:
>
> Face the challenge, Logan. Practice with a stopwatch. Tell a short version
> of your best story. The prize is $30 for a three minute story, or
> six-hundred bucks an hour.
>
> Bill Steele
> speleoste...@aol.com
>
> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Logan  wrote:
>
> Excellent Idea! We should have been doing that for years. The 3 minute
> rule is understandable, but there are many memorable stories that won't be
> told using that time frame.
>
> On 10/11/2018 10:54 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
>
> Cavers love telling stories. There are countless good ones. Here’s your
> chance to have it pay off.
>
> The DFW Grotto is hosting a Caver Storytelling Contest at TCR. Come with
> your best one at *midnight, Friday, Oct. 19*. Three minutes max, with a
> caver whistle blast to tell you your time is up. Time-left cards held up
> with 2 minutes to go and at 1. To be video recorded to put on Facebook, if
> you agree. The storyteller judged best by a panel of judges will win a free
> TCR registration, to be refunded to you by the TCR honchos. Location
> information will be available at the TCR registration booth.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

[Bill Steele]

I just practiced telling my story and timed it: 3:05. First time out and it was 
rough. I can do it in three minutes. 

I’m going to emcee the contest. I’ll start off and go first. I won’t compete 
for the prize.

Bill Steele
speleoste...@aol.com

> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Allan Cobb  wrote:
> 
> I've got my story lined up and can tell it in three minutes.
> 
> Allan
> 
>> On 10/11/2018 2:34 PM, Bill Steele wrote:
>> Face the challenge, Logan. Practice with a stopwatch. Tell a short version 
>> of your best story. The prize is $30 for a three minute story, or 
>> six-hundred bucks an hour.
>> 
>> Bill Steele 
>> speleoste...@aol.com
>> 
>> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Logan  wrote:
>> 
>>> Excellent Idea! We should have been doing that for years. The 3 minute rule 
>>> is understandable, but there are many memorable stories that won't be told 
>>> using that time frame. 
>>> 
 On 10/11/2018 10:54 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
 Cavers love telling stories. There are countless good ones. Here’s your 
 chance to have it pay off.
 
 The DFW Grotto is hosting a Caver Storytelling Contest at TCR. Come with 
 your best one at midnight, Friday, Oct. 19. Three minutes max, with a 
 caver whistle blast to tell you your time is up. Time-left cards held up 
 with 2 minutes to go and at 1. To be video recorded to put on Facebook, if 
 you agree. The storyteller judged best by a panel of judges will win a 
 free TCR registration, to be refunded to you by the TCR honchos. Location 
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

[Allan Cobb]

I've got my story lined up and can tell it in three minutes.

Allan


On 10/11/2018 2:34 PM, Bill Steele wrote:
Face the challenge, Logan. Practice with a stopwatch. Tell a short 
version of your best story. The prize is $30 for a three minute story, 
or six-hundred bucks an hour.


Bill Steele
speleoste...@aol.com 

On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Logan > wrote:


Excellent Idea! We should have been doing that for years. The 3 
minute rule is understandable, but there are many memorable stories 
that won't be told using that time frame.


On 10/11/2018 10:54 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
Cavers love telling stories. There are countless good ones. Here’s 
your chance to have it pay off.


The DFW Grotto is hosting a Caver Storytelling Contest at TCR. Come 
with your best one at *midnight, Friday, Oct. 19*. Three minutes 
max, with a caver whistle blast to tell you your time is up. 
Time-left cards held up with 2 minutes to go and at 1. To be video 
recorded to put on Facebook, if you agree. The storyteller judged 
best by a panel of judges will win a free TCR registration, to be 
refunded to you by the TCR honchos. Location information will be 
available at the TCR registration booth.


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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

[Bill Steele]

Face the challenge, Logan. Practice with a stopwatch. Tell a short version of 
your best story. The prize is $30 for a three minute story, or six-hundred 
bucks an hour.

Bill Steele 
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> On Oct 11, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Logan  wrote:
> 
> Excellent Idea! We should have been doing that for years. The 3 minute rule 
> is understandable, but there are many memorable stories that won't be told 
> using that time frame. 
> 
>> On 10/11/2018 10:54 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
>> Cavers love telling stories. There are countless good ones. Here’s your 
>> chance to have it pay off.
>> 
>> The DFW Grotto is hosting a Caver Storytelling Contest at TCR. Come with 
>> your best one at midnight, Friday, Oct. 19. Three minutes max, with a caver 
>> whistle blast to tell you your time is up. Time-left cards held up with 2 
>> minutes to go and at 1. To be video recorded to put on Facebook, if you 
>> agree. The storyteller judged best by a panel of judges will win a free TCR 
>> registration, to be refunded to you by the TCR honchos. Location information 
>> will be available at the TCR registration booth.
>> 
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>> speleoste...@aol.com
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

[Logan]

Excellent Idea! We should have been doing that for years. The 3 minute 
rule is understandable, but there are many memorable stories that won't 
be told using that time frame.


On 10/11/2018 10:54 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
Cavers love telling stories. There are countless good ones. Here’s 
your chance to have it pay off.


The DFW Grotto is hosting a Caver Storytelling Contest at TCR. Come 
with your best one at *midnight, Friday, Oct. 19*. Three minutes max, 
with a caver whistle blast to tell you your time is up. Time-left 
cards held up with 2 minutes to go and at 1. To be video recorded to 
put on Facebook, if you agree. The storyteller judged best by a panel 
of judges will win a free TCR registration, to be refunded to you by 
the TCR honchos. Location information will be available at the TCR 
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[Texascavers] TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

[Bill Steele]

Cavers love telling stories. There are countless good ones. Here’s your chance 
to have it pay off.

The DFW Grotto is hosting a Caver Storytelling Contest at TCR. Come with your 
best one at midnight, Friday, Oct. 19. Three minutes max, with a caver whistle 
blast to tell you your time is up. Time-left cards held up with 2 minutes to go 
and at 1. To be video recorded to put on Facebook, if you agree. The 
storyteller judged best by a panel of judges will win a free TCR registration, 
to be refunded to you by the TCR honchos. Location information will be 
available at the TCR registration booth.

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[Texascavers] TCR reminders

[Jim Kennedy]

The 2018 Texas Cavers Reunion starts in one week, at Paradise Canyon Campground 
west of San Antonio. If you haven’t been there before, you should Google it for 
directions. You can start arriving Thursday evening, but registration won’t be 
open until Friday. Please stop by registration as soon as you can. EVERYBODY 
that is on the property needs to sign a waiver for the campground. 

We have a jam-packed slate of events for the weekend, culminating in a 
space-themed parade and banquet. Please wear a costume and join in!  You’ll 
have ample opportunities to support your favorite Texas caving organizations on 
Vendors Row, swim and kayak on the adjacent river, or just chill with your 
friends. Bring your own plates, cups, bowls, and utensils for the banquet, and 
bring cash or checks for registration, shopping, and donations to TCMA for 
their fundraising breakfast on Sunday. There is no phone service or WiFi in the 
campground. More details and last-minute announcements are always posted on the 
TCR Facebook page, so please check that out. See you there!

Jim “Crash” Kennedy
TCR Chief Cat Herder

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR in one month!

[Denise P]

And free beer, courtesy of Shiner and our lovely volunteers who make it happen!


-Denise



From: Texascavers  on behalf of Jim 
Kennedy 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 4:21 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR in one month!

For those of you living under a rock (and there are always a few, after all, 
we’re cavers!), the 41st Texas Cavers Reunion is almost upon us. Dates are 
18-21 October. Location is once again the beautiful Paradise Canyon campground 
west of San Antonio (http://paradisecanyon.com/).  Registration costs are the 
same as last year: $30/adult, $15/child, $80/family, $15/old timer, and $20 
pass with no food. Your registration fee helps pay for the site, the 
porta-potties, and the Saturday banquet (unless you opt out), and also gives 
you access to the biggest Texas caver event of the year, with fellowship, a 
parade, contests, vendors, sauna, TSA and TCMA meetings, riverfront camping, 
TCMA fundraising breakfast, wine tasting (bring wine!), door prizes, and so 
much more. Check out the TCR Facebook page for the latest updates. Maps and 
directions will be posted in future emails. Young and old, beginner and expert, 
active and armchair, if you are a caver living in Texas, lived in Texas, or can 
spell “Texas,” this event is one you shouldn’t miss!
Paradise Canyon<http://paradisecanyon.com/>
paradisecanyon.com
since 1957, paradise canyon has offered a little piece of heaven on the medina 
river. come together with family and friends and be inspired by god’s swimmin’ 
hole.



Jim “Crash” Kennedy
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[Texascavers] TCR in one month!

[Jim Kennedy]

For those of you living under a rock (and there are always a few, after all, 
we’re cavers!), the 41st Texas Cavers Reunion is almost upon us. Dates are 
18-21 October. Location is once again the beautiful Paradise Canyon campground 
west of San Antonio (http://paradisecanyon.com/).  Registration costs are the 
same as last year: $30/adult, $15/child, $80/family, $15/old timer, and $20 
pass with no food. Your registration fee helps pay for the site, the 
porta-potties, and the Saturday banquet (unless you opt out), and also gives 
you access to the biggest Texas caver event of the year, with fellowship, a 
parade, contests, vendors, sauna, TSA and TCMA meetings, riverfront camping, 
TCMA fundraising breakfast, wine tasting (bring wine!), door prizes, and so 
much more. Check out the TCR Facebook page for the latest updates. Maps and 
directions will be posted in future emails. Young and old, beginner and expert, 
active and armchair, if you are a caver living in Texas, lived in Texas, or can 
spell “Texas,” this event is one you shouldn’t miss!

Jim “Crash” Kennedy
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

[Jon Cradit]

Space, Lost In:

[Image result for lost in space robot]

Okay Don, time to go looking in the back of the barn for some odd parts.


From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of Denise P
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 8:28 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

We will check on this. I am helping Jim this year, and it's a first for both of 
us.

I seriously doubt anyone would be thrown out for not wearing a wrist band. This 
is the first I have heard of this. Cavers are known to be a flexible and 
tolerant group, and we will certainly work with anyone who has financial 
hardship.

A few folks have asked, and the theme this year is SPACE. As in aliens, stars, 
planets, space ships, astronauts, NASA, Star Wars, etc.

And in case you have not heard, TCR is Oct 18-21at Paradise Canyon, 2220 County 
Rd 2615, Rio Medina, TX 78066. Their phone number is 830-751-9911. TCR has a 
Facebook page, and you can email me or Jim directly with questions, 
suggestions, jokes, or praise.

Volunteers are loved and appreciated. Do what you can, please. Look forward to 
seeing everyone there!

Cheers,
Denise


 Original message 
From: Diana Tomchick 
mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>>
Date: 8/29/18 1:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Cave Tex mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

Not to pile on too much onto this discussion, but I have a different yet 
related question.

What are the insurance liabilities that Paradise Canyon and/or TCR may have if 
someone has an accident during the event, but didn't purchase a wristband and 
sign the liability waiver?

Perhaps we simply need to require people to at minimum check-in and sign a 
liability waiver and let Paradise Canyon and the event organizers know that you 
are there. Let people that can't afford the registration decide to donate 
whatever amount of money they think is reasonable.

I know of several people that have in the past paid for other people's 
registration fees for TCR and the TSA Convention. Don't let the fact that you 
don't have any money right now stop you from accepting help from your fellow 
cavers. We want to see you all there this year, if possible.

Diana

**
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Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

[Charles Loving]

Space. Ah Hah... The Space Force will be created. Or are we taking about
space, like moving about and getting rid of unwanted junk?


On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 8:29 AM Denise P  wrote:

> We will check on this. I am helping Jim this year, and it's a first for
> both of us.
>
> I seriously doubt anyone would be thrown out for not wearing a wrist band.
> This is the first I have heard of this. Cavers are known to be a flexible
> and tolerant group, and we will certainly work with anyone who has
> financial hardship.
>
> A few folks have asked, and the theme this year is SPACE. As in aliens,
> stars, planets, space ships, astronauts, NASA, Star Wars, etc.
>
> And in case you have not heard, TCR is Oct 18-21at Paradise Canyon, 2220
> County Rd 2615, Rio Medina, TX 78066. Their phone number is 830-751-9911.
> TCR has a Facebook page, and you can email me or Jim directly with
> questions, suggestions, jokes, or praise.
>
> Volunteers are loved and appreciated. Do what you can, please. Look
> forward to seeing everyone there!
>
> Cheers,
> Denise
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Diana Tomchick 
> Date: 8/29/18 1:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Cave Tex 
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history
>
> Not to pile on too much onto this discussion, but I have a different yet
> related question.
>
> What are the insurance liabilities that Paradise Canyon and/or TCR may
> have if someone has an accident during the event, but didn’t purchase a
> wristband and sign the liability waiver?
>
> Perhaps we simply need to require people to at minimum check-in and sign a
> liability waiver and let Paradise Canyon and the event organizers know that
> you are there. Let people that can’t afford the registration decide to
> donate whatever amount of money they think is reasonable.
>
> I know of several people that have in the past paid for other people’s
> registration fees for TCR and the TSA Convention. Don’t let the fact that
> you don’t have any money right now stop you from accepting help from your
> fellow cavers. We want to see you all there this year, if possible.
>
> Diana
>
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
>
>
>
> 
>
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>
>
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>
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Volunteers

[Trevor McClymont]

Apologizes for the delay in response.  I am currently out of country.  My phone 
number is listed below, but often does not work down here due to cell coverage. 
   If you have WhatsApp for calling it works well here.  Otherwise email or 
Facebook works well.    I will be checking emails more often and try to respond 
as quick as possible. 
Thanks. 
- Trevor McClymont701-770-6879


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On Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 08:07, Bob Burnett  
wrote:

How do I contact you, do you have a phone number that I may call.  Trailer 
question?Thanks,Bob Burnett  Rune Home 512-459-0505Cell 
512-934-0210bburne...@austin.rr.com From: Trevor McClymont Sent: Monday, 
September 03, 2018 5:42 PMTo: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 
Volunteers We  need someone to pull the trailer from Austin to TCR.  Also need 
volunteers to help prep food and serve food.  If any one wants to bring a 
desert please let me know.  - Trevor, TCR Head chef

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

[Denise P]

We will check on this. I am helping Jim this year, and it's a first for both of 
us.

I seriously doubt anyone would be thrown out for not wearing a wrist band. This 
is the first I have heard of this. Cavers are known to be a flexible and 
tolerant group, and we will certainly work with anyone who has financial 
hardship.

A few folks have asked, and the theme this year is SPACE. As in aliens, stars, 
planets, space ships, astronauts, NASA, Star Wars, etc.

And in case you have not heard, TCR is Oct 18-21at Paradise Canyon, 2220 County 
Rd 2615, Rio Medina, TX 78066. Their phone number is 830-751-9911. TCR has a 
Facebook page, and you can email me or Jim directly with questions, 
suggestions, jokes, or praise.

Volunteers are loved and appreciated. Do what you can, please. Look forward to 
seeing everyone there!

Cheers,
Denise


 Original message 
From: Diana Tomchick 
Date: 8/29/18 1:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Cave Tex 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

Not to pile on too much onto this discussion, but I have a different yet 
related question.

What are the insurance liabilities that Paradise Canyon and/or TCR may have if 
someone has an accident during the event, but didn’t purchase a wristband and 
sign the liability waiver?

Perhaps we simply need to require people to at minimum check-in and sign a 
liability waiver and let Paradise Canyon and the event organizers know that you 
are there. Let people that can’t afford the registration decide to donate 
whatever amount of money they think is reasonable.

I know of several people that have in the past paid for other people’s 
registration fees for TCR and the TSA Convention. Don’t let the fact that you 
don’t have any money right now stop you from accepting help from your fellow 
cavers. We want to see you all there this year, if possible.

Diana

**
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Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

[Charles Loving]

having a good time, unless hassling folks was their fun. I also know that
>> Registration wasnt open a large part of the time.  I know folks who had a
>> difficult time finding somebody to give their money to.  If people are
>> willing to work at registration I say let them decide if they want to be
>> there late Friday night /Sat morning, ect.  If this is a issue then the
>> organizers ( god rest their souls) should recruit a larger group to do
>> this.  It is one of the most onerous tasks of the event and anyone willing
>> to spend their time on it deserves some slack.
>>
>> TCR doesnt really run itself,  there are hundreds of tasks that have to
>> be done.  A lot of it happens before the event,  the hidden part of the
>> iceberg.  Everyone has ways the help out, some visible, some hidden.  We
>> have created a unique cavers event  word of which has spread all over the
>> country.  Let us continue to strive to make it the most enjoyable fall
>> weekend you can ever have
>> Andy G Grubbs i
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Nancy Weaver" 
>> *To: *"texascavers" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:03:24 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!
>>
>> boy how times change.  I loved the really old days of lets throw a party,
>> pitch in where you can with money or help.  thanks to the thoughtful
>> previous registrars who quietly made decisions based on something other
>> than cash.
>> Nancy
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Michael Cicherski 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well written!
>>
>> Having run Registration, by myself for a number of years,  I can quietly
>> report that I have allowed more than a few to attend TCR who could not
>> afford it. Most of the time it was a quiet conversation with someone who
>> had fallen on hard times and just needed a little bit of a break.
>>
>> I never made a big deal of it and never reported it on the books.
>>
>> Oh, there were the normal goofballs who complained about having to pay
>> full amount, but I ignored them and after they ran out of hot air they paid
>> the proper fees.
>>
>> Hope all is well,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Allan Cobb  wrote:
>>
>> I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without
>> wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few
>> years. I know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would
>> have thrown people out for not registering. Is this what the community has
>> devolved into?
>>
>> There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who
>> pride themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them,
>> at TCR, I would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are
>> the same people who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA
>> projects.
>>
>> There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge
>> financial burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who
>> those were. All they had to do was ask and I would comp them registration.
>> I get it, I've had hard times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I
>> knew that too. I would have NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are
>> part of the community.
>>
>> I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because
>> they don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of the
>> meal is only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people ask me
>> to have a fee that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered that the
>> more complicated registration becomes that harder it is to get people to do
>> it and the easier to make mistakes.
>>
>> That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA Conventions, etc.
>> These events require money. We have to pay for the site, we pay for
>> portapotties, we pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those people
>> who think you are too good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you are
>> basically stealing from other cavers. You are directly responsible for
>> raising the price for all of the cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for
>> many of these events. The cost is divided among those who attend and pay.
>> If you don't pay, your portion of the cost, your portion of the cost is
>> passed on to other cavers. If you choose not to pay, at least thank all the
>> people who did pay for paying your share as well.
>>
>> "Throw people out&qu

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

[Cathy Winfrey]

; country.  Let us continue to strive to make it the most enjoyable fall
> weekend you can ever have
> Andy G Grubbs i
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Nancy Weaver" 
> *To: *"texascavers" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:03:24 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!
>
> boy how times change.  I loved the really old days of lets throw a party,
> pitch in where you can with money or help.  thanks to the thoughtful
> previous registrars who quietly made decisions based on something other
> than cash.
> Nancy
>
> On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Michael Cicherski 
> wrote:
>
> Well written!
>
> Having run Registration, by myself for a number of years,  I can quietly
> report that I have allowed more than a few to attend TCR who could not
> afford it. Most of the time it was a quiet conversation with someone who
> had fallen on hard times and just needed a little bit of a break.
>
> I never made a big deal of it and never reported it on the books.
>
> Oh, there were the normal goofballs who complained about having to pay
> full amount, but I ignored them and after they ran out of hot air they paid
> the proper fees.
>
> Hope all is well,
>
> Michael
>
> On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Allan Cobb  wrote:
>
> I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without
> wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few
> years. I know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would
> have thrown people out for not registering. Is this what the community has
> devolved into?
>
> There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who
> pride themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them,
> at TCR, I would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are
> the same people who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA
> projects.
>
> There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge
> financial burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who
> those were. All they had to do was ask and I would comp them registration.
> I get it, I've had hard times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I
> knew that too. I would have NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are
> part of the community.
>
> I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because
> they don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of the
> meal is only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people ask me
> to have a fee that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered that the
> more complicated registration becomes that harder it is to get people to do
> it and the easier to make mistakes.
>
> That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA Conventions, etc.
> These events require money. We have to pay for the site, we pay for
> portapotties, we pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those people
> who think you are too good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you are
> basically stealing from other cavers. You are directly responsible for
> raising the price for all of the cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for
> many of these events. The cost is divided among those who attend and pay.
> If you don't pay, your portion of the cost, your portion of the cost is
> passed on to other cavers. If you choose not to pay, at least thank all the
> people who did pay for paying your share as well.
>
> "Throw people out" for not registering, bad idea. Shame them a bit, I'm
> fine with that. I am no longer running TCR so I don't really have any say
> in how it works. In the past, TCR has always been about bringing cavers
> together, the new cavers and us old cavers. TCR has been about friends
> getting together and hanging out. TCR has always been about seeing old
> friends and making new ones. However, if "throw them out" is the spirit of
> the "new" TCR, perhaps it is time to end this long running tradition.
>
> Allan Cobb
>
> Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler
>
>
>
> On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote:
>
>  I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the
> proper identity band but didn't post it.
> Old Man Wisdom
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the waters
>> churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got a
>> number of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll be
>> there all shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with paperwork
>> and such fo

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Volunteers

[Charles Loving]

830-597-6403

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 7:07 AM Bob Burnett  wrote:

> How do I contact you, do you have a phone number that I may call.
>
> Trailer question?
> Thanks,
> Bob Burnett  Rune
>
> Home 512-459-0505
> Cell 512-934-0210
> bburne...@austin.rr.com
>
> *From:* Trevor McClymont 
> *Sent:* Monday, September 03, 2018 5:42 PM
> *To:* Texas Cavers 
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] TCR Volunteers
>
> We  need someone to pull the trailer from Austin to TCR.
>
> Also need volunteers to help prep food and serve food.
>
> If any one wants to bring a desert please let me know.
>
> - Trevor, TCR Head chef
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Volunteers

[Bob Burnett]

How do I contact you, do you have a phone number that I may call. 

Trailer question?
Thanks,
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From: Trevor McClymont 
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 5:42 PM
To: Texas Cavers 
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR Volunteers

We  need someone to pull the trailer from Austin to TCR. 

Also need volunteers to help prep food and serve food. 

If any one wants to bring a desert please let me know. 

- Trevor, TCR Head chef


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[Texascavers] TCR Volunteers

[Trevor McClymont]

We  need someone to pull the trailer from Austin to TCR. 
Also need volunteers to help prep food and serve food. 
If any one wants to bring a desert please let me know. 
- Trevor, TCR Head chef

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

[Diana Tomchick]

Not to pile on too much onto this discussion, but I have a different yet 
related question.

What are the insurance liabilities that Paradise Canyon and/or TCR may have if 
someone has an accident during the event, but didn’t purchase a wristband and 
sign the liability waiver?

Perhaps we simply need to require people to at minimum check-in and sign a 
liability waiver and let Paradise Canyon and the event organizers know that you 
are there. Let people that can’t afford the registration decide to donate 
whatever amount of money they think is reasonable.

I know of several people that have in the past paid for other people’s 
registration fees for TCR and the TSA Convention. Don’t let the fact that you 
don’t have any money right now stop you from accepting help from your fellow 
cavers. We want to see you all there this year, if possible.

Diana

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

[Sheryl Rieck]

Water, electricity, wear and tear. And you get to see me. Surely that is
worth paying for.


Sheryl Rieck
sheryl.ri...@gmail.com



On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:03 AM Katherine Arens 
wrote:

> Charlie, Parking, space, beer, and ability to swim or float.
> k
>
> On Aug 29, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
>
> If you don't camp and you don't eat and are there to see old friends what
> exactly are you paying for? I pay of the Texas Caver and am still waiting
> for a copy. But I don't mind. And I have been designated a moocher and jerk.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

[Katherine Arens]

Charlie, Parking, space, beer, and ability to swim or float.
k
On Aug 29, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Charles Loving 
mailto:lovingi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If you don't camp and you don't eat and are there to see old friends what 
exactly are you paying for? I pay of the Texas Caver and am still waiting for a 
copy. But I don't mind. And I have been designated a moocher and jerk.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:59 AM Allan Cobb 
mailto:a...@oztotl.com>> wrote:

I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without 
wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few years. I 
know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would have thrown 
people out for not registering. Is this what the community has devolved into?

There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who pride 
themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them, at TCR, I 
would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are the same people 
who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA projects.

There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge financial 
burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who those were. 
All they had to do was ask and I would comp them registration. I get it, I've 
had hard times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I knew that too. I 
would have NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are part of the community.

I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because they 
don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of the meal is 
only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people ask me to have a fee 
that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered that the more complicated 
registration becomes that harder it is to get people to do it and the easier to 
make mistakes.

That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA Conventions, etc. These 
events require money. We have to pay for the site, we pay for portapotties, we 
pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those people who think you are too 
good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you are basically stealing from other 
cavers. You are directly responsible for raising the price for all of the 
cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for many of these events. The cost is 
divided among those who attend and pay. If you don't pay, your portion of the 
cost, your portion of the cost is passed on to other cavers. If you choose not 
to pay, at least thank all the people who did pay for paying your share as well.

"Throw people out" for not registering, bad idea. Shame them a bit, I'm fine 
with that. I am no longer running TCR so I don't really have any say in how it 
works. In the past, TCR has always been about bringing cavers together, the new 
cavers and us old cavers. TCR has been about friends getting together and 
hanging out. TCR has always been about seeing old friends and making new ones. 
However, if "throw them out" is the spirit of the "new" TCR, perhaps it is time 
to end this long running tradition.

Allan Cobb

Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler


On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote:
 I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the proper 
identity band but didn't post it.
Old Man Wisdom

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair 
mailto:trog...@cavechat.org>> wrote:
Hi all!

We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the waters 
churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got a number 
of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll be there all 
shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with paperwork and such for 
each shift. I also need an outgoing personality to spend some time on Saturday 
wandering to each camp area to make sure everyone has their wristband.

I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you will be 
kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to camp (cash 
or check only this year!)!
I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with registration info for 
those who won't be volunteering, so you know when registration will be open- 
dependent on how many volunteers I can get!

If you are interested in volunteering, let me know in a separate email and I'll 
let you know the shifts I've got still available! My email is 
trog...@cavechat.org


Also... we'll have cookies. You know, if you need some incentive to help.. ;)

Happy caving and even happier volunteering!

-Heather Tucek




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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

[Charles Loving]

If you don't camp and you don't eat and are there to see old friends what
exactly are you paying for? I pay of the Texas Caver and am still waiting
for a copy. But I don't mind. And I have been designated a moocher and
jerk.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:59 AM Allan Cobb  wrote:

> I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without
> wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few
> years. I know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would
> have thrown people out for not registering. Is this what the community has
> devolved into?
>
> There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who
> pride themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them,
> at TCR, I would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are
> the same people who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA
> projects.
>
> There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge
> financial burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who
> those were. All they had to do was ask and I would comp them registration.
> I get it, I've had hard times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I
> knew that too. I would have NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are
> part of the community.
>
> I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because
> they don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of the
> meal is only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people ask me
> to have a fee that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered that the
> more complicated registration becomes that harder it is to get people to do
> it and the easier to make mistakes.
>
> That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA Conventions, etc.
> These events require money. We have to pay for the site, we pay for
> portapotties, we pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those people
> who think you are too good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you are
> basically stealing from other cavers. You are directly responsible for
> raising the price for all of the cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for
> many of these events. The cost is divided among those who attend and pay.
> If you don't pay, your portion of the cost, your portion of the cost is
> passed on to other cavers. If you choose not to pay, at least thank all the
> people who did pay for paying your share as well.
>
> "Throw people out" for not registering, bad idea. Shame them a bit, I'm
> fine with that. I am no longer running TCR so I don't really have any say
> in how it works. In the past, TCR has always been about bringing cavers
> together, the new cavers and us old cavers. TCR has been about friends
> getting together and hanging out. TCR has always been about seeing old
> friends and making new ones. However, if "throw them out" is the spirit of
> the "new" TCR, perhaps it is time to end this long running tradition.
>
> Allan Cobb
>
> Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler
>
>
>
> On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote:
>
>  I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the
> proper identity band but didn't post it.
> Old Man Wisdom
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the waters
>> churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got a
>> number of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll be
>> there all shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with paperwork
>> and such for each shift. I also need an outgoing personality to spend some
>> time on Saturday wandering to each camp area to make sure everyone has
>> their wristband.
>>
>> I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you
>> will be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to
>> camp (cash or check only this year!)!
>> I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with registration info
>> for those who won't be volunteering, so you know when registration will be
>> open- dependent on how many volunteers I can get!
>>
>> If you are interested in volunteering, let me know in a separate email
>> and I'll let you know the shifts I've got still available! My email is
>> trog...@cavechat.org
>>
>>
>> Also... we'll have cookies. You know, if you need some incentive to
>> help.. ;)
>>
>> Happy caving and even happier volunteering!
>>
>> -Heather Tucek
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Go find out!*
>> -Heather Tuček
>> TSA Membership Chair
>> NSS 59660
>> (512) 773-1348
>> members...@cavetexas.org
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> 

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

[Sheryl Rieck]

I agree with Gill agreeing with Alan and Linda. Additionally, I have quite 
often given extra money at registration when I could to help offset for some 
who can’t afford it. 

I’m looking forward to TCR. I missed it last year because I was one of the 
exceptionally broke and couldn’t make it. It messes up my whole year when I 
miss because it’s the only time I can truly relax and be among people I 
thoroughly enjoy. 

If I don’t wear my wrist band, can I pick who throws me out? 

Sheryl Rieck
sheryl.ri...@gmail.com

"You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just might 
find you get what you need" Rolling Stones

> On Aug 29, 2018, at 9:03 AM, grub...@centurytel.net wrote:
> 
> During the time I ran TCR and when I helped Gil while he was running it I do 
> not remember a single instance of  anyone being "thrown out" of the TCR, 
> ever.  There were a number of cooks and cooks helpers who got comped in 
> because they were workers on the event.  They spent their time doing those 
> things that make TCR run and not "hanging out"  There were other prominent 
> individuals who contributed in vast and underappreciated ways.  We showed our 
> gratitude to them in other ways. TCR always broke even so it was never about 
> money.  If we had folks who for what ever reason didnt "register"  it wasnt 
> really a big issue.  We had plenty to do without worrying about that.  We 
> tried to have as few rules as possible.
> 
> William Russell once remarked that one of the beautiful things about TCR was 
> that it is the closest thing to a real working anarchy you can have.  It more 
> or less runs itself.  People know what needs to be done and do it.  Cavers 
> are good about seeing something that needs doing and they do it with very 
> little compunction.  Just  a little guidance is all.  Gil was better at that 
> than I was.  His advice was "keep you hand lightly on the wheel"  let it run 
> itself.  This generally works fairly well.   We tried very hard to keep the 
> event light hearted and fun.  I have nothing but great compliments for the 
> folks who have organized the event for the last few years because they have 
> continued to come up with new things like the parade that embellish that 
> tradition.
> 
> I dont think that I can ever fully explain what TCR means to me.  I get to 
> see friends I have known more than 45 years.  Some I see that once or twice a 
> year.  some I havent seen in decades.I get to see caver kids I watched 
> grow up raising their own kids.  Couple years ago one of those "kids" said "I 
> bet you remember me when I was that little"  I did.  Caving is a team based 
> adventure sport that thrives on camaraderie.  TCR is a celebration of those 
> friendships and the richness of the many years of memories. 
> 
> The cavers I grew up with were also very "non-status" oriented.  That is hard 
> to explain and I dont see it as strong these days but nobody tried to set up 
> rules and make others follow them.  Of course there was basic safety and 
> competence.  You had to get voted in by the grotto member to be a "regular" 
> member.  but then you could, check out ropes, lead trips ect
> 
> Last year at TCR there was someone who was stalking around the cam being a 
> "wristband nazi" who appointed them to that I dont know.  They werent having 
> a good time, unless hassling folks was their fun. I also know that 
> Registration wasnt open a large part of the time.  I know folks who had a 
> difficult time finding somebody to give their money to.  If people are 
> willing to work at registration I say let them decide if they want to be 
> there late Friday night /Sat morning, ect.  If this is a issue then the 
> organizers ( god rest their souls) should recruit a larger group to do this.  
> It is one of the most onerous tasks of the event and anyone willing to spend 
> their time on it deserves some slack.
> 
> TCR doesnt really run itself,  there are hundreds of tasks that have to be 
> done.  A lot of it happens before the event,  the hidden part of the iceberg. 
>  Everyone has ways the help out, some visible, some hidden.  We have created 
> a unique cavers event  word of which has spread all over the country.  Let us 
> continue to strive to make it the most enjoyable fall weekend you can ever 
> have
> Andy G Grubbs i
> 
> 
> From: "Nancy Weaver" 
> To: "texascavers" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:03:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!
> 
> boy how times change.  I loved the really old days of lets throw a party, 
> pitch in where you can with money or help.  thanks to the thoughtful previous 
> registrars wh

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

[grubbsi]

During the time I ran TCR and when I helped Gil while he was running it I do 
not remember a single instance of anyone being "thrown out" of the TCR, ever. 
There were a number of cooks and cooks helpers who got comped in because they 
were workers on the event. They spent their time doing those things that make 
TCR run and not "hanging out" There were other prominent individuals who 
contributed in vast and underappreciated ways. We showed our gratitude to them 
in other ways. TCR always broke even so it was never about money. If we had 
folks who for what ever reason didnt "register" it wasnt really a big issue. We 
had plenty to do without worrying about that. We tried to have as few rules as 
possible. 

William Russell once remarked that one of the beautiful things about TCR was 
that it is the closest thing to a real working anarchy you can have. It more or 
less runs itself. People know what needs to be done and do it. Cavers are good 
about seeing something that needs doing and they do it with very little 
compunction. Just a little guidance is all. Gil was better at that than I was. 
His advice was "keep you hand lightly on the wheel" let it run itself. This 
generally works fairly well. We tried very hard to keep the event light hearted 
and fun. I have nothing but great compliments for the folks who have organized 
the event for the last few years because they have continued to come up with 
new things like the parade that embellish that tradition. 

I dont think that I can ever fully explain what TCR means to me. I get to see 
friends I have known more than 45 years. Some I see that once or twice a year. 
some I havent seen in decades. I get to see caver kids I watched grow up 
raising their own kids. Couple years ago one of those "kids" said "I bet you 
remember me when I was that little" I did. Caving is a team based adventure 
sport that thrives on camaraderie. TCR is a celebration of those friendships 
and the richness of the many years of memories. 

The cavers I grew up with were also very "non-status" oriented. That is hard to 
explain and I dont see it as strong these days but nobody tried to set up rules 
and make others follow them. Of course there was basic safety and competence. 
You had to get voted in by the grotto member to be a "regular" member. but then 
you could, check out ropes, lead trips ect 

Last year at TCR there was someone who was stalking around the cam being a 
"wristband nazi" who appointed them to that I dont know. They werent having a 
good time, unless hassling folks was their fun. I also know that Registration 
wasnt open a large part of the time. I know folks who had a difficult time 
finding somebody to give their money to. If people are willing to work at 
registration I say let them decide if they want to be there late Friday night / 
Sat morning, ect. If this is a issue then the organizers ( god rest their 
souls) should recruit a larger group to do this. It is one of the most onerous 
tasks of the event and anyone willing to spend their time on it deserves some 
slack. 

TCR doesnt really run itself, there are hundreds of tasks that have to be done. 
A lot of it happens before the event, the hidden part of the iceberg. Everyone 
has ways the help out, some visible, some hidden. We have created a unique 
cavers event word of which has spread all over the country. Let us continue to 
strive to make it the most enjoyable fall weekend you can ever have 
Andy G Grubbs i 


From: "Gill Ediger"  
To: "texascavers"  
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 10:52:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers! 

I agree with Allan & Linda. 

--Ediger 



On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:59 AM, Allan Cobb  wrote: 


I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without 
wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few years. I 
know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would have thrown 
people out for not registering. Is this what the community has devolved into? 
There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who pride 
themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them, at TCR, I 
would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are the same people 
who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA projects. 
There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge financial 
burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who those were. 
All they had to do was ask and I would comp them registration. I get it, I've 
had hard times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I knew that too. I 
would have NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are part of the 
community. 
I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because they 
don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good 

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration history

[grubbsi]

During the time I ran TCR and when I helped Gil while he was running it I do 
not remember a single instance of anyone being "thrown out" of the TCR, ever. 
There were a number of cooks and cooks helpers who got comped in because they 
were workers on the event. They spent their time doing those things that make 
TCR run and not "hanging out" There were other prominent individuals who 
contributed in vast and underappreciated ways. We showed our gratitude to them 
in other ways. TCR always broke even so it was never about money. If we had 
folks who for what ever reason didnt "register" it wasnt really a big issue. We 
had plenty to do without worrying about that. We tried to have as few rules as 
possible. 

William Russell once remarked that one of the beautiful things about TCR was 
that it is the closest thing to a real working anarchy you can have. It more or 
less runs itself. People know what needs to be done and do it. Cavers are good 
about seeing something that needs doing and they do it with very little 
compunction. Just a little guidance is all. Gil was better at that than I was. 
His advice was "keep you hand lightly on the wheel" let it run itself. This 
generally works fairly well. We tried very hard to keep the event light hearted 
and fun. I have nothing but great compliments for the folks who have organized 
the event for the last few years because they have continued to come up with 
new things like the parade that embellish that tradition. 

I dont think that I can ever fully explain what TCR means to me. I get to see 
friends I have known more than 45 years. Some I see that once or twice a year. 
some I havent seen in decades. I get to see caver kids I watched grow up 
raising their own kids. Couple years ago one of those "kids" said "I bet you 
remember me when I was that little" I did. Caving is a team based adventure 
sport that thrives on camaraderie. TCR is a celebration of those friendships 
and the richness of the many years of memories. 

The cavers I grew up with were also very "non-status" oriented. That is hard to 
explain and I dont see it as strong these days but nobody tried to set up rules 
and make others follow them. Of course there was basic safety and competence. 
You had to get voted in by the grotto member to be a "regular" member. but then 
you could, check out ropes, lead trips ect 

Last year at TCR there was someone who was stalking around the cam being a 
"wristband nazi" who appointed them to that I dont know. They werent having a 
good time, unless hassling folks was their fun. I also know that Registration 
wasnt open a large part of the time. I know folks who had a difficult time 
finding somebody to give their money to. If people are willing to work at 
registration I say let them decide if they want to be there late Friday night 
/Sat morning, ect. If this is a issue then the organizers ( god rest their 
souls) should recruit a larger group to do this. It is one of the most onerous 
tasks of the event and anyone willing to spend their time on it deserves some 
slack. 

TCR doesnt really run itself, there are hundreds of tasks that have to be done. 
A lot of it happens before the event, the hidden part of the iceberg. Everyone 
has ways the help out, some visible, some hidden. We have created a unique 
cavers event word of which has spread all over the country. Let us continue to 
strive to make it the most enjoyable fall weekend you can ever have 
Andy G Grubbs i 



From: "Nancy Weaver"  
To: "texascavers"  
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:03:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers! 

boy how times change. I loved the really old days of lets throw a party, pitch 
in where you can with money or help. thanks to the thoughtful previous 
registrars who quietly made decisions based on something other than cash. 
Nancy 




On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Michael Cicherski < [ mailto:coastalca...@me.com | 
coastalca...@me.com ] > wrote: 

Well written! 

Having run Registration, by myself for a number of years, I can quietly report 
that I have allowed more than a few to attend TCR who could not afford it. Most 
of the time it was a quiet conversation with someone who had fallen on hard 
times and just needed a little bit of a break. 

I never made a big deal of it and never reported it on the books. 

Oh, there were the normal goofballs who complained about having to pay full 
amount, but I ignored them and after they ran out of hot air they paid the 
proper fees. 

Hope all is well, 

Michael 

On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Allan Cobb < [ mailto:a...@oztotl.com | 
a...@oztotl.com ] > wrote: 


BQ_BEGIN



I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without 
wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few years. I 
know the problem of people not registering. However, 

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

[Gill Ediger]

I agree with Allan & Linda.
--Ediger
 

On Wednesday, August 29, 2018 7:59 AM, Allan Cobb  wrote:
 

  I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without 
wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few years. I 
know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would have thrown 
people out for not registering. Is this what the community has devolved into? 
There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who pride 
themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them, at TCR, I 
would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are the same people 
who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA projects. There are 
also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge financial burden 
due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who those were. All they 
had to do was ask and I would comp them registration. I get it, I've had hard 
times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I knew that too. I would have 
NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are part of the community.
  I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because they 
don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of the meal is 
only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people ask me to have a fee 
that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered that the more complicated 
registration becomes that harder it is to get people to do it and the easier to 
make mistakes. That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA 
Conventions, etc. These events require money. We have to pay for the site, we 
pay for portapotties, we pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those 
people who think you are too good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you are 
basically stealing from other cavers. You are directly responsible for raising 
the price for all of the cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for many of these 
events. The cost is divided among those who attend and pay. If you don't pay, 
your portion of the cost, your portion of the cost is passed on to other 
cavers. If you choose not to pay, at least thank all the people who did pay for 
paying your share as well. "Throw people out" for not registering, bad idea. 
Shame them a bit, I'm fine with that. I am no longer running TCR so I don't 
really have any say in how it works. In the past, TCR has always been about 
bringing cavers together, the new cavers and us old cavers. TCR has been about 
friends getting together and hanging out. TCR has always been about seeing old 
friends and making new ones. However, if "throw them out" is the spirit of the 
"new" TCR, perhaps it is time to end this long running tradition.
  Allan Cobb
  Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler
  
  
 On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote:
  
 
 I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the proper 
identity band but didn't post it.  Old Man Wisdom  
  On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair  
wrote:
  
  Hi all! 
  
  We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the waters 
churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got a number 
of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll be there all 
shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with paperwork and such for 
each shift. I also need an outgoing personality to spend some time on Saturday 
wandering to each camp area to make sure everyone has their wristband. 
  I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you will 
be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to camp 
(cash or check only this year!)! 
  I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with registration info for 
those who won't be volunteering, so you know when registration will be open- 
dependent on how many volunteers I can get!
  
  If you are interested in volunteering, let me know in a separate email and 
I'll let you know the shifts I've got still available! My email is 
trog...@cavechat.org 
  
  Also... we'll have cookies. You know, if you need some incentive to help.. ;) 
  Happy caving and even happier volunteering! 
  -Heather Tucek 
  
  
  
 -- 
   Go find out!
 -Heather Tuček
 TSA Membership Chair
 NSS 59660
 (512) 773-1348
 members...@cavetexas.org
  
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

[Crash Kennedy]

Allan made some excellent points.  People that attend TCR without paying
are stealing from others, short and simple.  Even the organizers, cooks,
and other volunteers pay.  I pay, and so does my family, and I'm running
the whole circus this year.  Dozens of people work long hours hauling
trailers, running registration, cooking, setting up (and cleaning up) the
mud wrestling pit, organizing Speleolympics events, maintaining of the
sauna area, cleaning and restocking porta-potties, taking care of Vendors
Row, and on and on.  They don't even get a chance to fully enjoy the whole
TCR experience like the non-volunteers do, and still they pay their
registration fees.  We have even come up with several options to make this
even less of a financial burden to attendees, including an Old Timer
discount and a non-banquet option.  We GET that there are still some folks
who are undergoing real financial hardship, and if they come talk to us we
can work something out, as Michael said.  We're not trying to keep anyone
away from TCR, just the opposite.  We want this to be an event for ALL
cavers, young and old (and future!), active and inactive, Texas residents
and former residents.  But it costs money these days to put on the kind of
show that people have come to expect.  We're not in the 70s any more, for
better or worse.

Heather has been doing a great job maintaining the TSA records and handling
registration, usually by herself.  It is unfair for folks to be beating up
on her for doing her job.  If you don't like something, volunteer a while
and see the other side of the situation before offering public criticism.
With all the caving organizations around here (grottos, TSA, TCMA, TSS, and
so forth), it is increasingly difficult to attract good volunteers to
fulfill the necessary roles of officers, board members, and committee
chairs.  And the criticism, which seems more prevalent in today's digital
world, makes those positions even less appealing to potential candidates.
To deviate from the TCR topic just a bit, I have seen a fair bit of
complaining about the recent lack of *The TEXAS CAVER*.  If you want to see
a magazine, submit articles, people!  As for registration, I hope more
folks step up to volunteer for a shift, to spread out the workload so that
everyone gets to enjoy a bit more of TCR.  I'm going to be up to my
eyeballs in crap all weekend long, but I will volunteer for a shift myself
if no one else does.  And there are cookies!  And don't forget to sign the
liability waiver for Paradise Canyon, even if you don't pay.

I look forward to TCR every year, and budget both my time and my money to
be able to participate.  I also support the TCMA fundraising breakfast,
help set up and sell pubs at the TSS bookstore, and attend the TSA and TCMA
meetings.  And I still have fun at the wine tasting, parade, contests, and
hot tub.  I get a lot out of TCR and the Texas caving community in general,
and feel that I am giving something back so that others can also enjoy
those experiences.  Cavers are usually pretty generous folks, so hopefully
this discussion about selfish, non paying TCR attendees is a bunch of
rhetoric about a non-issue.

Jim "Crash" Kennedy
current TCR ringmaster and cat herder
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

[Nancy Weaver]

boy how times change.  I loved the really old days of lets throw a party, pitch 
in where you can with money or help.  thanks to the thoughtful previous 
registrars who quietly made decisions based on something other than cash.  
Nancy

> On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Michael Cicherski  wrote:
> 
> Well written! 
> 
> Having run Registration, by myself for a number of years,  I can quietly 
> report that I have allowed more than a few to attend TCR who could not afford 
> it. Most of the time it was a quiet conversation with someone who had fallen 
> on hard times and just needed a little bit of a break.
> 
> I never made a big deal of it and never reported it on the books.
> 
> Oh, there were the normal goofballs who complained about having to pay full 
> amount, but I ignored them and after they ran out of hot air they paid the 
> proper fees.
> 
> Hope all is well,
> 
> Michael
> 
> On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Allan Cobb  > wrote:
> 
>> I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without 
>> wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few 
>> years. I know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would 
>> have thrown people out for not registering. Is this what the community has 
>> devolved into?
>> 
>> There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who pride 
>> themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them, at 
>> TCR, I would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are the 
>> same people who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA 
>> projects.
>> 
>> There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge 
>> financial burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who 
>> those were. All they had to do was ask and I would comp them registration. I 
>> get it, I've had hard times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I knew 
>> that too. I would have NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are part 
>> of the community.
>> I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because they 
>> don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of the meal 
>> is only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people ask me to have 
>> a fee that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered that the more 
>> complicated registration becomes that harder it is to get people to do it 
>> and the easier to make mistakes.
>> 
>> That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA Conventions, etc. 
>> These events require money. We have to pay for the site, we pay for 
>> portapotties, we pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those people 
>> who think you are too good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you are 
>> basically stealing from other cavers. You are directly responsible for 
>> raising the price for all of the cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for 
>> many of these events. The cost is divided among those who attend and pay. If 
>> you don't pay, your portion of the cost, your portion of the cost is passed 
>> on to other cavers. If you choose not to pay, at least thank all the people 
>> who did pay for paying your share as well.
>> 
>> "Throw people out" for not registering, bad idea. Shame them a bit, I'm fine 
>> with that. I am no longer running TCR so I don't really have any say in how 
>> it works. In the past, TCR has always been about bringing cavers together, 
>> the new cavers and us old cavers. TCR has been about friends getting 
>> together and hanging out. TCR has always been about seeing old friends and 
>> making new ones. However, if "throw them out" is the spirit of the "new" 
>> TCR, perhaps it is time to end this long running tradition.
>> Allan Cobb
>> Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote:
>>>  I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the proper 
>>> identity band but didn't post it. 
>>> Old Man Wisdom
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair >> > wrote:
>>> Hi all! 
>>> 
>>> We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the waters 
>>> churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got a 
>>> number of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll be 
>>> there all shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with paperwork 
>>> and such for each shift. I also need an outgoing personality to spend some 
>>> time on Saturday wandering to each camp area to make sure everyone has 
>>> their wristband.
>>> 
>>> I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you will 
>>> be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to camp 
>>> (cash or check only this year!)! 
>>> I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with registration info 
>>> for those who won't be volunteering, so you know when registration will be 
>>> 

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

[Michael Cicherski]

Well written! 

Having run Registration, by myself for a number of years,  I can quietly report 
that I have allowed more than a few to attend TCR who could not afford it. Most 
of the time it was a quiet conversation with someone who had fallen on hard 
times and just needed a little bit of a break.

I never made a big deal of it and never reported it on the books.

Oh, there were the normal goofballs who complained about having to pay full 
amount, but I ignored them and after they ran out of hot air they paid the 
proper fees.

Hope all is well,

Michael

> On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Allan Cobb  wrote:
> 
> I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without 
> wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few years. 
> I know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would have 
> thrown people out for not registering. Is this what the community has 
> devolved into?
> 
> There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who pride 
> themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them, at TCR, 
> I would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are the same 
> people who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA projects.
> 
> There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge 
> financial burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who 
> those were. All they had to do was ask and I would comp them registration. I 
> get it, I've had hard times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I knew 
> that too. I would have NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are part of 
> the community.
> I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because they 
> don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of the meal 
> is only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people ask me to have 
> a fee that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered that the more 
> complicated registration becomes that harder it is to get people to do it and 
> the easier to make mistakes.
> 
> That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA Conventions, etc. 
> These events require money. We have to pay for the site, we pay for 
> portapotties, we pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those people who 
> think you are too good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you are basically 
> stealing from other cavers. You are directly responsible for raising the 
> price for all of the cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for many of these 
> events. The cost is divided among those who attend and pay. If you don't pay, 
> your portion of the cost, your portion of the cost is passed on to other 
> cavers. If you choose not to pay, at least thank all the people who did pay 
> for paying your share as well.
> 
> "Throw people out" for not registering, bad idea. Shame them a bit, I'm fine 
> with that. I am no longer running TCR so I don't really have any say in how 
> it works. In the past, TCR has always been about bringing cavers together, 
> the new cavers and us old cavers. TCR has been about friends getting together 
> and hanging out. TCR has always been about seeing old friends and making new 
> ones. However, if "throw them out" is the spirit of the "new" TCR, perhaps it 
> is time to end this long running tradition.
> Allan Cobb
> Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler
> 
> 
>> On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote:
>>  I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the proper 
>> identity band but didn't post it. 
>> Old Man Wisdom
>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair  
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi all! 
>>> 
>>> We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the waters 
>>> churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got a 
>>> number of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll be 
>>> there all shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with paperwork 
>>> and such for each shift. I also need an outgoing personality to spend some 
>>> time on Saturday wandering to each camp area to make sure everyone has 
>>> their wristband.
>>> 
>>> I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you will 
>>> be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to camp 
>>> (cash or check only this year!)! 
>>> I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with registration info 
>>> for those who won't be volunteering, so you know when registration will be 
>>> open- dependent on how many volunteers I can get!
>>> 
>>> If you are interested in volunteering, let me know in a separate email and 
>>> I'll let you know the shifts I've got still available! My email is 
>>> trog...@cavechat.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also... we'll have cookies. You know, if you need some incentive to help.. 
>>> ;)
>>> 
>>> Happy caving and even happier volunteering!
>>> 
>>> -Heather Tucek
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Go 

Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

[Allan Cobb]

I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without 
wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few 
years. I know the problem of people not registering. However, I never 
would have thrown people out for not registering. Is this what the 
community has devolved into?


There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who 
pride themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see 
them, at TCR, I would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. 
These are the same people who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 
fee on TSA projects.


There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge 
financial burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of 
who those were. All they had to do was ask and I would comp them 
registration. I get it, I've had hard times too. Some of them were too 
proud to ask. I knew that too. I would have NEVER thrown those people 
out of TCR. They are part of the community.


I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because 
they don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of 
the meal is only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people 
ask me to have a fee that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered 
that the more complicated registration becomes that harder it is to get 
people to do it and the easier to make mistakes.


That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA Conventions, etc. 
These events require money. We have to pay for the site, we pay for 
portapotties, we pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those 
people who think you are too good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you 
are basically stealing from other cavers. You are directly responsible 
for raising the price for all of the cavers who pay. They costs are 
fixed for many of these events. The cost is divided among those who 
attend and pay. If you don't pay, your portion of the cost, your portion 
of the cost is passed on to other cavers. If you choose not to pay, at 
least thank all the people who did pay for paying your share as well.


"Throw people out" for not registering, bad idea. Shame them a bit, I'm 
fine with that. I am no longer running TCR so I don't really have any 
say in how it works. In the past, TCR has always been about bringing 
cavers together, the new cavers and us old cavers. TCR has been about 
friends getting together and hanging out. TCR has always been about 
seeing old friends and making new ones. However, if "throw them out" is 
the spirit of the "new" TCR, perhaps it is time to end this long running 
tradition.


Allan Cobb

Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler



On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote:
 I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the 
proper identity band but didn't post it.

Old Man Wisdom

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair 
mailto:trog...@cavechat.org>> wrote:


Hi all!

We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the
waters churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration.
I've got a number of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to
be filled. I'll be there all shifts, but I need one other person
to help me out with paperwork and such for each shift. I also need
an outgoing personality to spend some time on Saturday wandering
to each camp area to make sure everyone has their wristband.

I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year,
you will be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon
as you get to camp (cash or check only this year!)!
I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with
registration info for those who won't be volunteering, so you know
when registration will be open- dependent on how many volunteers I
can get!

If you are interested in volunteering, let me know in a separate
email and I'll let you know the shifts I've got still available!
My email is trog...@cavechat.org 


Also... we'll have cookies. You know, if you need some incentive
to help.. ;)

Happy caving and even happier volunteering!

-Heather Tucek




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-Heather Tuček
TSA Membership Chair
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
members...@cavetexas.org 

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

[Linda Palit]

“I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you
will be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to
camp (cash or check only this year!)!”

Really? i have seen people go to registration half a dozen times before
catching somebody to take their money.
Better start registration early so the people who arrive and help set up
can register. And start looking for volunteers to be the Wrist Band Nazi
Patrol !

I remember TCR days when if a family or person had a difficulty situation
they were given reduced registration.
I adamantly believe all should pay and have called people out who did not.
But perhaps consider practicality of demand, tone and result you really
want vs reaction you illicit as you post about throwing people out.

it takes a lot of volunteer labor and goodwill to make TCR happen. I am
happy to help with registration for a few hours.
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 6:24 AM Charles Loving  wrote:

>  I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the
> proper identity band but didn't post it.
> Old Man Wisdom
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the waters
>> churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got a
>> number of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll be
>> there all shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with paperwork
>> and such for each shift. I also need an outgoing personality to spend some
>> time on Saturday wandering to each camp area to make sure everyone has
>> their wristband.
>>
>> I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you
>> will be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to
>> camp (cash or check only this year!)!
>> I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with registration info
>> for those who won't be volunteering, so you know when registration will be
>> open- dependent on how many volunteers I can get!
>>
>> If you are interested in volunteering, let me know in a separate email
>> and I'll let you know the shifts I've got still available! My email is
>> trog...@cavechat.org
>>
>>
>> Also... we'll have cookies. You know, if you need some incentive to
>> help.. ;)
>>
>> Happy caving and even happier volunteering!
>>
>> -Heather Tucek
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> TSA Membership Chair
>> NSS 59660
>> (512) 773-1348
>> members...@cavetexas.org
>>
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[Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

[TSA Membership Chair]

Hi all!

We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the waters
churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got a
number of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll be
there all shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with paperwork
and such for each shift. I also need an outgoing personality to spend some
time on Saturday wandering to each camp area to make sure everyone has
their wristband.

I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you will
be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to camp
(cash or check only this year!)!
I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with registration info
for those who won't be volunteering, so you know when registration will be
open- dependent on how many volunteers I can get!

If you are interested in volunteering, let me know in a separate email and
I'll let you know the shifts I've got still available! My email is
trog...@cavechat.org


Also... we'll have cookies. You know, if you need some incentive to help..
;)

Happy caving and even happier volunteering!

-Heather Tucek




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TSA Membership Chair
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
members...@cavetexas.org
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[Texascavers] TCR hot tub

[Crash Kennedy]

This was posted on the TCR Facebook page, but is being reposted here for
those of you who might have missed it the first time around.

-- Jim

--

There will be no hot tub at TCR this year, but there will be a sauna. Here
is a letter from Drew Thompson and Colin Strickland explaining why.

>From Drew: "A few days before Pete's passing I was working at Stricklandia
and Pete asked me over to talk to him. For a while we talked as he lay on
the couch telling me that he was at the end of his tenure and was not going
to make it to TCR this year and does not want the hot tub to attend this
year. He wants it to be missed, and that it being absent will hold people
more accountable for their involvement [or lack of] on the whole hot tub
process. Pete instructed us to put together a dedicated team of apprentices
to continue the tradition in the style of Pete and all that he created, the
way he taught us. What Would Pete Do? Would Pete Approve? We are all asking
ourselves these questions. There will still be an awesome party zone with a
bonfire and a metal-heated sauna, and a shrine to Pete and all his
memories. The Pyro Grotto will be hosting a Party Lounge, and will also be
setting up Bill Mixon’s classic Cave Box, and revealing the newly created
black light Cave Cube to the caving public. Many people have expressed
concern about the absence of the hot tub saying that it will kill the
party. But in all fairness, we have had fantastic times at other events
with only our friends, family, and all of the other things that bring us
together. It is going to be a fantastic TCR and nothing will stop that!
Neither Colin nor I are looking for a debate, nor interested in hearing
your concerns on the matter of the hot tubs absence at this year’s TCR."

>From Colin: “I will take lead bringing the hot tub next year and going
forward, but I can not attend this year since I will have a week or so old
baby at the time of the event. Many people have expressed that they could
set up the tub, since they helped my dad do it for many years, and I am
sure they could if the equipment appeared on site, but that is not the
case. My dad has the hot tub gear squirreled away in many different
locations and we would spend an entire weekend before TCR loading the
trailer and truck with all the gear, and about the same amount of time
after, filing it all back away. Currently I am building a kitchen in my
parent’s house and trying to get our rental house ready to rent, so have
zero time to deal with people trying to gather this stuff. Also, I need
time to go through it all and see how my dad had it stored. The last thing
I want is to not get a proper inventory of how it was and then get it back
all jumbled and confused. The hot tub will be back, but I need time to do
it right. On his death bed I told my dad not to worry, since I would carry
on his traditions, and I intend to.”

We thank you all for your patience and understanding.
Drew & Colin
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[Texascavers] TCR Art Auction

[Lindsey Adamoski]

The Texas Cave Management Association will be holding a silent art auction
at TCR this year to raise funds to support our mission of cave education,
research, and conservation. If you are an artist (e.g. photographer,
knitter, painter, welder, woodworker, sculptor, embroiderer, potter, etc)
please contact me if you would like to contribute a work of art for our
auction. Thank you for supporting TCMA and Texas caves!!

Sincerely,

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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

[tarrie...@yahoo.com]

 Where and date for TCR 2018?
On Tuesday, October 17, 2017, 6:46:26 PM CDT, Charles Loving via 
Texascavers  wrote:  
 
 Sorry I missed it but my truck caught fire and burned so it wasn't there to 
use. Anyway maybe next year?  
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Denise P via Texascavers 
 wrote:


Great TCR, you have ended your reign on a high note, Don! Thanks for all you 
have done to make TCR so much fun and a bonding event for cavers!




I wanted to offer a special shout out to Pete Strickland and crew for the 
always fantastic hot tub and sauna! It's a ton of work and we really appreciate 
it!




Cheers,
Denise


From: Texascavers  on behalf of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers 
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:25 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
Cc: Don Arburn
Subject: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!] Hey everyone, another successful 
Texas cavers reunion is behind us now, well done! Good job everybody! It was 
awesome! IT WAS!

Not much to report in the Lost & Found Department this year, for once, yay!

The owner is happy, the park is clean. Next years deposit is paid, no date set 
yet.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!

I didn’t want to harsh your mellow, on Saturday night, but 2017 was my last TCR 
as Director. I did six TCRs. I’m sorry folks, it was fun, rewarding and an 
adventure! My resignation is on a high point, I feel, with TCR is in good shape 
with a head start on 2018, with a year to solve my absence.

The music was very very good! 
The food was very very good! Great job!!
We had INTERNATIONAL Cavers visit from Mexico!
We had David Locklear!
The NSS represented!
The Texas Contingent represented!
The Aggies had a challenging Speleolympics course!
There was a REBELAY course!
We had a hot tub, sauna AND spring water!
There was a SLIDESHOW!
There were POWERWAGONS in service!
There was a HUGE board game.
There were barbarian Viking HOARDS!!
We had MUD GLADIATORS!!
There was schmoozing, I SAW IT!
People smiled!
What more can you ask for?
I’m happy!

Thank you
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2018 Save the Date

[Aimee Beveridge]

Thank you, Denise! 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad


On Tuesday, January 30, 2018, 9:34 AM, Denise P  wrote:

 
TCR will be held at Paradise Canyon during the third weekend of October, 
starting Thursday Oct. 18 for early birds and running through Sunday Oct. 21. 




All negative comments can be sent to Santa at the North Pole.




We still need a head honcho for TCR, I merely helped reserve the campground.




Hope to see you there!




Cheers,

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[Texascavers] TCR 2018 Save the Date

[Denise P]

TCR will be held at Paradise Canyon during the third weekend of October, 
starting Thursday Oct. 18 for early birds and running through Sunday Oct. 21.


All negative comments can be sent to Santa at the North Pole.


We still need a head honcho for TCR, I merely helped reserve the campground.


Hope to see you there!


Cheers,

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[Texascavers] TCR 2018 Save the Date

[Denise P]

TCR will be held this year the third weekend in October starting on Thursday 
Oct 18 at the lovely Paradise Canyon.

Please note I am only helping with scheduling and am not the TCR head honcho.

Please send all negative comments to Santa at the North Pole.

Hope to see you there!

Cheers,
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

[Logan McNatt via Texascavers]

  
  
Shout Shout, Here Here! Pete has been bringing his hot tube and
sauna to TCR, and several NSS Conventions in Texas , longer than
many of the younger attendees have been alive!

The cooks and crew also deserve thanks, because they always work
hard, even if your taste buds have different opinions from year to
year.

I didn't make it this year, but it sounds like a good TCR. Best
wishes to those who want to take on Don's job.

Logan


On 10/17/2017 3:38 PM, Denise P via
  Texascavers wrote:


  
  
  
Great TCR, you have ended your reign on a high note, Don!
  Thanks for all you have done to make TCR so much fun and a
  bonding event for cavers!


I wanted to offer a special shout out to Pete Strickland and
  crew for the always fantastic hot tub and sauna! It's a ton of
  work and we really appreciate it!


Cheers,
  Denise



  

From: Texascavers
<texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> on behalf of
Don Arburn via Texascavers
<texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:25 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
Cc: Don Arburn
    Subject: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]
   

  
  
  Hey everyone, another successful
Texas cavers reunion is behind us now, well done! Good
job everybody! It was awesome! IT WAS!

Not much to report in the Lost & Found Department
this year, for once, yay!

The owner is happy, the park is clean. Next years
deposit is paid, no date set yet.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!

I didn’t want to harsh your mellow, on Saturday night,
but 2017 was my last TCR as Director. I did six TCRs.
I’m sorry folks, it was fun, rewarding and an adventure!
My resignation is on a high point, I feel, with TCR is
in good shape with a head start on 2018, with a year to
solve my absence.

The music was very very good! 
The food was very very good! Great job!!
We had INTERNATIONAL Cavers visit from Mexico!
We had David Locklear!
The NSS represented!
The Texas Contingent represented!
The Aggies had a challenging Speleolympics course!
There was a REBELAY course!
We had a hot tub, sauna AND spring water!
There was a SLIDESHOW!
There were POWERWAGONS in service!
There was a HUGE board game.
There were barbarian Viking HOARDS!!
We had MUD GLADIATORS!!
There was schmoozing, I SAW IT!
People smiled!
What more can you ask for?
I’m happy!

Thank you
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

[David via Texascavers]

Charlie,

Even I ( your imaginary arch-nemesis ) missed you greatly.


There were likely some un-noticed records shattered this year.

Most registered attendees who had grandchildren

Most registered attendees who had great-grandchildren.

Oldest active caver in attendance -the one and only Sir Fritz, The
Grandmaster Flash of Caving.

Best beer ever - Pedernales (PBC ? )

Was this It ?

http://res.cloudinary.com/ratebeer/image/upload/w_250,c_limit/beer_178297.jpg

Ask Bob Bell.

Most beautiful women in attendance.Should have done a group photo of
that.  Although 1985 was probably just as good.

Loudest crying baby at 5 a.m. thanks to me, David Locklear, and my
super-duper-squeaky old cot.

Most attendees with bad knees.

Least number of party-poopers ?

M.C. now owns the record for most hot girlfriends brought to TCR at 22, I
think.  I lost count at 19.   She made a fine Viking slave-driver.

I heard 36 naked people squeezed in the hot-tub and 25 in the sauna.

Carl Kunath for most attendance at major Texas caver gatherings counting
pre-TCR and NSS Conventions, etc.  at 122, I think.

Did I miss a record ?
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Sorry I missed it but my truck caught fire and burned so it wasn't there to
use. Anyway maybe next year?

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Denise P via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Great TCR, you have ended your reign on a high note, Don! Thanks for all
> you have done to make TCR so much fun and a bonding event for cavers!
>
>
> I wanted to offer a special shout out to Pete Strickland and crew for the
> always fantastic hot tub and sauna! It's a ton of work and we really
> appreciate it!
>
>
> Cheers,
> Denise
>
>
> --
> *From:* Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> on behalf of
> Don Arburn via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:25 PM
> *To:* TSA Cavers List
> *Cc:* Don Arburn
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]
>
> Hey everyone, another successful Texas cavers reunion is behind us now,
> well done! Good job everybody! It was awesome! IT WAS!
>
> Not much to report in the Lost & Found Department this year, for once, yay!
>
> The owner is happy, the park is clean. Next years deposit is paid, no date
> set yet.
>
> THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!
>
> I didn’t want to harsh your mellow, on Saturday night, but 2017 was my
> last TCR as Director. I did six TCRs. I’m sorry folks, it was fun,
> rewarding and an adventure! My resignation is on a high point, I feel, with
> TCR is in good shape with a head start on 2018, with a year to solve my
> absence.
>
> The music was very very good!
> The food was very very good! Great job!!
> We had INTERNATIONAL Cavers visit from Mexico!
> We had David Locklear!
> The NSS represented!
> The Texas Contingent represented!
> The Aggies had a challenging Speleolympics course!
> There was a REBELAY course!
> We had a hot tub, sauna AND spring water!
> There was a SLIDESHOW!
> There were POWERWAGONS in service!
> There was a HUGE board game.
> There were barbarian Viking HOARDS!!
> We had MUD GLADIATORS!!
> There was schmoozing, I SAW IT!
> People smiled!
> What more can you ask for?
> I’m happy!
>
> Thank you
> —Don
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

[Denise P via Texascavers]

Great TCR, you have ended your reign on a high note, Don! Thanks for all you 
have done to make TCR so much fun and a bonding event for cavers!


I wanted to offer a special shout out to Pete Strickland and crew for the 
always fantastic hot tub and sauna! It's a ton of work and we really appreciate 
it!


Cheers,
Denise



From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> on behalf of Don Arburn 
via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:25 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
Cc: Don Arburn
Subject: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

Hey everyone, another successful Texas cavers reunion is behind us now, well 
done! Good job everybody! It was awesome! IT WAS!

Not much to report in the Lost & Found Department this year, for once, yay!

The owner is happy, the park is clean. Next years deposit is paid, no date set 
yet.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!

I didn’t want to harsh your mellow, on Saturday night, but 2017 was my last TCR 
as Director. I did six TCRs. I’m sorry folks, it was fun, rewarding and an 
adventure! My resignation is on a high point, I feel, with TCR is in good shape 
with a head start on 2018, with a year to solve my absence.

The music was very very good!
The food was very very good! Great job!!
We had INTERNATIONAL Cavers visit from Mexico!
We had David Locklear!
The NSS represented!
The Texas Contingent represented!
The Aggies had a challenging Speleolympics course!
There was a REBELAY course!
We had a hot tub, sauna AND spring water!
There was a SLIDESHOW!
There were POWERWAGONS in service!
There was a HUGE board game.
There were barbarian Viking HOARDS!!
We had MUD GLADIATORS!!
There was schmoozing, I SAW IT!
People smiled!
What more can you ask for?
I’m happy!

Thank you
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

Yes, it was great seeing everybody and our dogs had a really fun time trying to 
clean up all of the spilled food on the ground. Marley & Bandit gave TCR a big 
paws up! They were still exhausted this morning, always a good sign of a fun 
weekend.

Thanks to everyone that pitched in to help, sorry I didn’t have time this year 
to pitch in—there’s always next year.

Diana

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On Oct 15, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Cavers Texas  wrote:

Hey everyone, another successful Texas cavers reunion is behind us now, well 
done! Good job everybody! It was awesome! IT WAS!

Not much to report in the Lost & Found Department this year, for once, yay!

The owner is happy, the park is clean. Next years deposit is paid, no date set 
yet.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!

I didn’t want to harsh your mellow, on Saturday night, but 2017 was my last TCR 
as Director. I did six TCRs. I’m sorry folks, it was fun, rewarding and an 
adventure! My resignation is on a high point, I feel, with TCR is in good shape 
with a head start on 2018, with a year to solve my absence.

The music was very very good!
The food was very very good! Great job!!
We had INTERNATIONAL Cavers visit from Mexico!
We had David Locklear!
The NSS represented!
The Texas Contingent represented!
The Aggies had a challenging Speleolympics course!
There was a REBELAY course!
We had a hot tub, sauna AND spring water!
There was a SLIDESHOW!
There were POWERWAGONS in service!
There was a HUGE board game.
There were barbarian Viking HOARDS!!
We had MUD GLADIATORS!!
There was schmoozing, I SAW IT!
People smiled!
What more can you ask for?
I’m happy!

Thank you
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[Texascavers] TCR success

[Logan McNatt via Texascavers]

  
  
Don, 

I agree with previous comments. I missed this TCR but have attended
most during your time as Director. You have the right combination of
skills and foresight to set basic rules to prevent unnecessary
problems, but keep it loose enough to allow everyone to have fun.
That's a delicate balance.

So now that you're out of a job, take the rest of the year off.

Thanks,
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

Yummy and fantastic! And FREE!!


--Don




--Don
> On Oct 15, 2017, at 8:11 PM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> How’d the Shiner beer work out?
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

YES! You’re our champion, Don! Thank you very much. 

How’d the Shiner beer work out? 

From the Pacific Ocean offshore of Guatemala.

Bill Steele 
cwilliamste...@gmail.com

> On Oct 15, 2017, at 7:02 PM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Don for all your hard work
> 
> Jim
> 
> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
> 
> On Oct 15, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone, another successful Texas cavers reunion is behind us now, well 
> done! Good job everybody! It was awesome! IT WAS!
> 
> Not much to report in the Lost & Found Department this year, for once, yay!
> 
> The owner is happy, the park is clean. Next years deposit is paid, no date 
> set yet.
> 
> THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!
> 
> I didn’t want to harsh your mellow, on Saturday night, but 2017 was my last 
> TCR as Director. I did six TCRs. I’m sorry folks, it was fun, rewarding and 
> an adventure! My resignation is on a high point, I feel, with TCR is in good 
> shape with a head start on 2018, with a year to solve my absence.
> 
> The music was very very good! 
> The food was very very good! Great job!!
> We had INTERNATIONAL Cavers visit from Mexico!
> We had David Locklear!
> The NSS represented!
> The Texas Contingent represented!
> The Aggies had a challenging Speleolympics course!
> There was a REBELAY course!
> We had a hot tub, sauna AND spring water!
> There was a SLIDESHOW!
> There were POWERWAGONS in service!
> There was a HUGE board game.
> There were barbarian Viking HOARDS!!
> We had MUD GLADIATORS!!
> There was schmoozing, I SAW IT!
> People smiled!
> What more can you ask for?
> I’m happy!
> 
> Thank you
> —Don
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

[James Jasek via Texascavers]

Thank you Don for all your hard work

Jim

Sent from my iPhoneiPhone

On Oct 15, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
 wrote:

Hey everyone, another successful Texas cavers reunion is behind us now, well 
done! Good job everybody! It was awesome! IT WAS!

Not much to report in the Lost & Found Department this year, for once, yay!

The owner is happy, the park is clean. Next years deposit is paid, no date set 
yet.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!

I didn’t want to harsh your mellow, on Saturday night, but 2017 was my last TCR 
as Director. I did six TCRs. I’m sorry folks, it was fun, rewarding and an 
adventure! My resignation is on a high point, I feel, with TCR is in good shape 
with a head start on 2018, with a year to solve my absence.

The music was very very good! 
The food was very very good! Great job!!
We had INTERNATIONAL Cavers visit from Mexico!
We had David Locklear!
The NSS represented!
The Texas Contingent represented!
The Aggies had a challenging Speleolympics course!
There was a REBELAY course!
We had a hot tub, sauna AND spring water!
There was a SLIDESHOW!
There were POWERWAGONS in service!
There was a HUGE board game.
There were barbarian Viking HOARDS!!
We had MUD GLADIATORS!!
There was schmoozing, I SAW IT!
People smiled!
What more can you ask for?
I’m happy!

Thank you
—Don
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[Texascavers] TCR 2017 and beyond

[Carl Kunath via Texascavers]

Don:
Thanks very much for your outstanding and unselfish service as TCR Jefe.  
You’ve done a wonderful job and your place will be hard to fill.  The position 
receives little thanks but I hope you know that for each person that openly 
says “thank you,” there are dozens of others that silently echo the thought.

>From me to you personally:  “Thanks, and well done!”

===Carl Kunath







-Original Message-
From: Don Arburn via Texascavers
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 6:25 PM
To: TSA Cavers List
Cc: Don Arburn
Subject: [Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

Hey everyone, another successful Texas cavers reunion is behind us now, well 
done! Good job everybody! It was awesome! IT WAS!

Not much to report in the Lost & Found Department this year, for once, yay!

The owner is happy, the park is clean. Next years deposit is paid, no date set 
yet.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!

I didn’t want to harsh your mellow, on Saturday night, but 2017 was my last TCR 
as Director. I did six TCRs. I’m sorry folks, it was fun, rewarding and an 
adventure! My resignation is on a high point, I feel, with TCR is in good shape 
with a head start on 2018, with a year to solve my absence.

The music was very very good!
The food was very very good! Great job!!
We had INTERNATIONAL Cavers visit from Mexico!
We had David Locklear!
The NSS represented!
The Texas Contingent represented!
The Aggies had a challenging Speleolympics course!
There was a REBELAY course!
We had a hot tub, sauna AND spring water!
There was a SLIDESHOW!
There were POWERWAGONS in service!
There was a HUGE board game.
There were barbarian Viking HOARDS!!
We had MUD GLADIATORS!!
There was schmoozing, I SAW IT!
People smiled!
What more can you ask for?
I’m happy!

Thank you
—Don
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[Texascavers] [TCR 2017 Success!]

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

Hey everyone, another successful Texas cavers reunion is behind us now, well 
done! Good job everybody! It was awesome! IT WAS!

Not much to report in the Lost & Found Department this year, for once, yay!

The owner is happy, the park is clean. Next years deposit is paid, no date set 
yet.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!

I didn’t want to harsh your mellow, on Saturday night, but 2017 was my last TCR 
as Director. I did six TCRs. I’m sorry folks, it was fun, rewarding and an 
adventure! My resignation is on a high point, I feel, with TCR is in good shape 
with a head start on 2018, with a year to solve my absence.

The music was very very good! 
The food was very very good! Great job!!
We had INTERNATIONAL Cavers visit from Mexico!
We had David Locklear!
The NSS represented!
The Texas Contingent represented!
The Aggies had a challenging Speleolympics course!
There was a REBELAY course!
We had a hot tub, sauna AND spring water!
There was a SLIDESHOW!
There were POWERWAGONS in service!
There was a HUGE board game.
There were barbarian Viking HOARDS!!
We had MUD GLADIATORS!!
There was schmoozing, I SAW IT!
People smiled!
What more can you ask for?
I’m happy!

Thank you
—Don
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[Texascavers] TCR - TCMA Breakfast on Sunday

[Denise P via Texascavers]

On Sunday morning of TCR, starting at approx 8:30, TCMA will have breakfast 
available for a suggested donation of $5 (plus). We will have coffee, OJ, 
breakfast tacos, fruit, yogurt. Please bring cash, coffee mugs, plates, 
utensils, etc.


Hope to see you there!


Cheers,
Denise
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[Texascavers] TCR and NCKMS

[Crash Kennedy via Texascavers]

Is anybody going to TCR that can haul the TSS/TSA trailer?  It has the
sales tents, lights, sound system, T-shirts, books, etc.

Also, is anyone going to the National Cave and Karst Management Symposium
in Arkansas the week after TCR that would want to carpool?  Call, text, or
email.  Thanks!

Jim Kennedy
512-663-2287
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR]

[Amy Morton via Texascavers]

We're having chili,  meat and vegetarian,  with various pasta and salads,  corn 
bread and toppings.  Bring a bowl.  There will also be desserts.

Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36>


From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> on behalf of Stephen 
Gutting via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 12:02:45 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Stephen Gutting
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [TCR]

Hey Don!
  I think there is a facebook page for TCR, but strange as it my sound, 
there are a lot of us not on FB for a variety of reasons.
 Several folks are getting their registration fee sponsored. Do you have 
the cost determined yet?
 And finally, do we have a menu yet?
I heard it was going to be Viking visceral borsch?

Steve






> On Oct 4, 2017, at 4:45 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> Eight days away! Temperatures are forecast to be really nice, current 
> estimates are are a high of 73° Friday! Please bring cash. I’ll open the gate 
> Thursday around 1 pm, then close it just after dark, then open it again 
> Friday morning. If you plan on arriving after dark Thursday, better let me 
> know BEFORE Thursday. No glass near the river. Pets and children are welcome 
> if they are well behaved, you will be expected to pick up after them, fights 
> will result in ejection. Please, no percussion instruments at the hot tub, 
> once again the rental house at the dam is occupied by a deputy, we want to 
> keep him happy. If you see non Cavers in the park please let me know, it is 
> our private reunion. EVERYONE WILL SIGN A PARK LIABILITY WAIVER. Some ice 
> will be available, but don’t expect us to keep your cooler filled with it, 
> the cooks have priority. The cooks have been working hard to provide us with 
> a meal Saturday evening and there will be breakfast fundraising too! As usual 
> Paradise Canyon has cabins and one RV for rent, please make arraignments 
> through them. There are now a few RV spaces with electricity and water too, 
> also make arrangements through Paradise Canyon. Anyone needing directions 
> contact me I’d be happy to share. As usual I am excited and look forward to 
> seeing you there!
>
>
> --Ragnar
> d...@oztotl.com
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR]

[Stephen Gutting via Texascavers]

Hey Don!
  I think there is a facebook page for TCR, but strange as it my sound, 
there are a lot of us not on FB for a variety of reasons. 
 Several folks are getting their registration fee sponsored. Do you have 
the cost determined yet? 
 And finally, do we have a menu yet? 
I heard it was going to be Viking visceral borsch?

Steve 






> On Oct 4, 2017, at 4:45 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Eight days away! Temperatures are forecast to be really nice, current 
> estimates are are a high of 73° Friday! Please bring cash. I’ll open the gate 
> Thursday around 1 pm, then close it just after dark, then open it again 
> Friday morning. If you plan on arriving after dark Thursday, better let me 
> know BEFORE Thursday. No glass near the river. Pets and children are welcome 
> if they are well behaved, you will be expected to pick up after them, fights 
> will result in ejection. Please, no percussion instruments at the hot tub, 
> once again the rental house at the dam is occupied by a deputy, we want to 
> keep him happy. If you see non Cavers in the park please let me know, it is 
> our private reunion. EVERYONE WILL SIGN A PARK LIABILITY WAIVER. Some ice 
> will be available, but don’t expect us to keep your cooler filled with it, 
> the cooks have priority. The cooks have been working hard to provide us with 
> a meal Saturday evening and there will be breakfast fundraising too! As usual 
> Paradise Canyon has cabins and one RV for rent, please make arraignments 
> through them. There are now a few RV spaces with electricity and water too, 
> also make arrangements through Paradise Canyon. Anyone needing directions 
> contact me I’d be happy to share. As usual I am excited and look forward to 
> seeing you there!
> 
> 
> --Ragnar
> d...@oztotl.com
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[Texascavers] [TCR]

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

Eight days away! Temperatures are forecast to be really nice, current estimates 
are are a high of 73° Friday! Please bring cash. I’ll open the gate Thursday 
around 1 pm, then close it just after dark, then open it again Friday morning. 
If you plan on arriving after dark Thursday, better let me know BEFORE 
Thursday. No glass near the river. Pets and children are welcome if they are 
well behaved, you will be expected to pick up after them, fights will result in 
ejection. Please, no percussion instruments at the hot tub, once again the 
rental house at the dam is occupied by a deputy, we want to keep him happy. If 
you see non Cavers in the park please let me know, it is our private reunion. 
EVERYONE WILL SIGN A PARK LIABILITY WAIVER. Some ice will be available, but 
don’t expect us to keep your cooler filled with it, the cooks have priority. 
The cooks have been working hard to provide us with a meal Saturday evening and 
there will be breakfast fundraising too! As usual Paradise Canyon has cabins 
and one RV for rent, please make arraignments through them. There are now a few 
RV spaces with electricity and water too, also make arrangements through 
Paradise Canyon. Anyone needing directions contact me I’d be happy to share. As 
usual I am excited and look forward to seeing you there!


--Ragnar
d...@oztotl.com
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR hot tub firewood help

[Bennett Lee via Texascavers]

Amendment, John. I meant Pam and I will help you, and we have a little bit of 
live oak to donate.

--Bennett

Sent from my TRS-80

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From: Bennett Lee via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
Received: Monday, 02 Oct 2017, 10:12AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com [texascavers@texascavers.com]
CC: Bennett Lee [benn...@bennettlee.com]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR hot tub firewood help

I'll help you again, John. I have a little bit of live oak to donate, too.

--Bennett


Sent from my TRS-80

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From: John Schneider via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
Received: Sunday, 01 Oct 2017, 11:22AM
To: Texas Cavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
CC: John Schneider [jsschneid...@gvtc.com]
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR hot tub firewood help

I could use 2 or 3 people to help me unload the hot tub firewood Sun Oct 8 
around 1PM at Paradise Canyon.
Please e-mail me at jsschneid...@gvtc.com<mailto:jsschneid...@gvtc.com> if you 
can help.

John
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR hot tub firewood help

[Bennett Lee via Texascavers]

I'll help you again, John. I have a little bit of live oak to donate, too.

--Bennett


Sent from my TRS-80

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From: John Schneider via Texascavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
Received: Sunday, 01 Oct 2017, 11:22AM
To: Texas Cavers [texascavers@texascavers.com]
CC: John Schneider [jsschneid...@gvtc.com]
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR hot tub firewood help

I could use 2 or 3 people to help me unload the hot tub firewood Sun Oct 8 
around 1PM at Paradise Canyon.
Please e-mail me at jsschneid...@gvtc.com<mailto:jsschneid...@gvtc.com> if you 
can help.

John
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[Texascavers] TCR hot tub firewood help

[John Schneider via Texascavers]

I could use 2 or 3 people to help me unload the hot tub firewood Sun Oct 8 
around 1PM at Paradise Canyon.
Please e-mail me at jsschneid...@gvtc.com  if you 
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[Texascavers] TCR help

[John Schneider via Texascavers]

I could use 2 or 3 people to help me unload the hot tub firewood Sun Oct 8 
around 1PM at Paradise Canyon.
Please e-mail me at jsschneid...@gvtc.com if you can help.

John 
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[Texascavers] [TCR•Cash]

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

TCR is twenty three days away! 
Please bring cash for TCR & vendors & memberships. The valley is a cellular 
dead zone prohibiting electronic funds transfer. Pass it along, please? Thanks!

--Odin Oztotl
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR Kegs]&[Freetail Brewing]

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

Thank you Bill, you are awesome. More awesome than the rest, whom no one has 
stepped up to retrieve them yet.

--Don




--Don
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I'll line up a Shiner beer donation for TCR again once I'm back in Texas 
> in mid-Sept. I need to know who is picking up and returning the kegs before I 
> ask for the donation.
> 
> Bill Steele
> speleoste...@aol.com
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone volunteering to get Kegs from Shiner, if the Man of Steele, works his 
>> magic again?
>> 
>> Also
>> 
>> Anyone have a contact over at Freetail Brewing?
>> 
>> --Don
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --Don
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR Kegs]&[Freetail Brewing]

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Yes, I'll line up a Shiner beer donation for TCR again once I'm back in Texas 
in mid-Sept. I need to know who is picking up and returning the kegs before I 
ask for the donation.

Bill Steele
speleoste...@aol.com

> On Aug 8, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone volunteering to get Kegs from Shiner, if the Man of Steele, works his 
> magic again?
> 
> Also
> 
> Anyone have a contact over at Freetail Brewing?
> 
> --Don
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR Kegs]&[Freetail Brewing]

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Never heard of them. But that isn't a stretch. Deer corn has only Bud Lite.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Anyone volunteering to get Kegs from Shiner, if the Man of Steele, works
> his magic again?
>
> Also
>
> Anyone have a contact over at Freetail Brewing?
>
> --Don
>
>
>
> --Don
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[Texascavers] [TCR Kegs]&[Freetail Brewing]

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

Anyone volunteering to get Kegs from Shiner, if the Man of Steele, works his 
magic again?

Also

Anyone have a contact over at Freetail Brewing?

--Don



--Don
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Re: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

[Ron Ralph via Texascavers]

Hey Charlie,

I am all for Axis deer but you can keep your Aoudad.  Hog is lovely.

Ron

From: Charles Loving via Texascavers 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:19 AM
To: Cavers Texas 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

OK get in touch with Vico. We can work on this. We will have to shoot the small 
ones. Mac and I will set up traps next week and bait them. We were getting one 
a day for about three months awhile back. what about Aoudads? They are pretty 
rank but the small ones are sort of like cabrito. They are a pest too, destroy 
crops and such. And of course we could get an Axisi deer. The vegans will rebel 
I am sure and the PETA people will freak out but these three types of critters 
are bad news.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

  I have freezer space.



  --Don





  --Don
  On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:


If Vico wants a hog I have a dozen or so to shoot.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Eric Flint via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

  Well guess I'll toss it out. Unless some one else steps up I'm cook boss 
this year. We are have hamburgers and hotdogs. Thank you Charlie Loving for 
making me feel a lot better about making this menu desision. I haven't decided 
if you people deserve katchup yet.  
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Re: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

OK get in touch with Vico. We can work on this. We will have to shoot the
small ones. Mac and I will set up traps next week and bait them. We were
getting one a day for about three months awhile back. what about Aoudads?
They are pretty rank but the small ones are sort of like cabrito. They are
a pest too, destroy crops and such. And of course we could get an Axisi
deer. The vegans will rebel I am sure and the PETA people will freak out
but these three types of critters are bad news.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I have freezer space.
>
>
> --Don
>
>
>
>
> --Don
> On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> If Vico wants a hog I have a dozen or so to shoot.
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Eric Flint via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Well guess I'll toss it out. Unless some one else steps up I'm cook boss
>> this year. We are have hamburgers and hotdogs. Thank you Charlie Loving for
>> making me feel a lot better about making this menu desision. I haven't
>> decided if you people deserve katchup yet.
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Re: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Bread will go stale overnight, you should serve them “au naturel” too…

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Eric Flint via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:40 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

Well guess I'll toss it out. Unless some one else steps up I'm cook boss this 
year. We are have hamburgers and hotdogs. Thank you Charlie Loving for making 
me feel a lot better about making this menu desision. I haven't decided if you 
people deserve katchup yet.
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Re: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

That’s right – free meat doesn’t exist until it’s shot, and in the freezer.

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Arburn via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:18 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

I have freezer space.

--Don



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On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
If Vico wants a hog I have a dozen or so to shoot.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Eric Flint via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Well guess I'll toss it out. Unless some one else steps up I'm cook boss this 
year. We are have hamburgers and hotdogs. Thank you Charlie Loving for making 
me feel a lot better about making this menu desision. I haven't decided if you 
people deserve katchup yet.
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

I will bring warm beer (needed after those cold, English, caves) and see what I 
can remember.

Maybe now is the time to organize that caving trip to the old country?

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Steele via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 7:59 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

Stefan, I join Allan in thanking you for busting your arse for many years to 
feed us at TCR. You can always drink my cold beer at TCR. Swing by and tell me 
more stories of caving in the old country.

Bill Steele

On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:41 AM, AC via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Stefan,

I remember Niki Lake bringing a bunch of hog to either the first or second time 
at Paradise Canyon.

Just for the record, I really appreciate the years you cooked for me at TCR. 
Thank you again. Let's get together at TCR, have some leisurely drinks, and 
watch all the fun.

Allan

Smart phone, stupid autocorrect

On Feb 19, 2017, at 10:15 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
That one wasn’t cooked until Sunday morning.

Help isn’t required at this point, Ryan, there is always plenty of that. 
Someone to be in charge is.

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>. Skype: 
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ryan monjaras via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 7:21 PM
To: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

2011 at Flat Creek Ranch. I like the idea of a hog on a spit as it ties in with 
the viking theme, and I would be happy to help.

Ryan Monjaras
"Semper Exploro"

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From: David via Texascavers 
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Date: 2/18/17 6:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR food

If you are not going to have a hog rotating over a wood fire and fire-roasted 
vegetables then why even have a dinner ?Or at least some food cooked over 
wood, or at least charcoal.

I am just curious when was the last time that the hog's head was the 
centerpiece of the table ?

I hope to arrive at TCR on Saturday at 5 pm. and hopefully find some leftover 
scraps.

I can only pray that I will be single by then.

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Ah yes, apologies for my aging memory, that does ring a bell.

We can set up chairs opposite the cooks area and enjoy hotdogs and burgers; 
seeya then!

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of AC 
via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 6:42 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

Stefan,

I remember Niki Lake bringing a bunch of hog to either the first or second time 
at Paradise Canyon.

Just for the record, I really appreciate the years you cooked for me at TCR. 
Thank you again. Let's get together at TCR, have some leisurely drinks, and 
watch all the fun.

Allan

Smart phone, stupid autocorrect

On Feb 19, 2017, at 10:15 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
That one wasn’t cooked until Sunday morning.

Help isn’t required at this point, Ryan, there is always plenty of that. 
Someone to be in charge is.

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>. Skype: 
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ryan monjaras via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 7:21 PM
To: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

2011 at Flat Creek Ranch. I like the idea of a hog on a spit as it ties in with 
the viking theme, and I would be happy to help.

Ryan Monjaras
"Semper Exploro"

Maverick Grotto
Cowtown Grotto
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Greater Houston Grotto
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From: David via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Date: 2/18/17 6:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR food

If you are not going to have a hog rotating over a wood fire and fire-roasted 
vegetables then why even have a dinner ?Or at least some food cooked over 
wood, or at least charcoal.

I am just curious when was the last time that the hog's head was the 
centerpiece of the table ?

I hope to arrive at TCR on Saturday at 5 pm. and hopefully find some leftover 
scraps.

I can only pray that I will be single by then.

David Locklear


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Re: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

I have freezer space.


--Don




--Don
> On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> If Vico wants a hog I have a dozen or so to shoot.
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Eric Flint via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Well guess I'll toss it out. Unless some one else steps up I'm cook boss 
>> this year. We are have hamburgers and hotdogs. Thank you Charlie Loving for 
>> making me feel a lot better about making this menu desision. I haven't 
>> decided if you people deserve katchup yet.  
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Re: [Texascavers] Tcr cooks

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

If Vico wants a hog I have a dozen or so to shoot.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Eric Flint via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Well guess I'll toss it out. Unless some one else steps up I'm cook boss
> this year. We are have hamburgers and hotdogs. Thank you Charlie Loving for
> making me feel a lot better about making this menu desision. I haven't
> decided if you people deserve katchup yet.
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[Texascavers] Tcr cooks

[Eric Flint via Texascavers]

Well guess I'll toss it out. Unless some one else steps up I'm cook boss
this year. We are have hamburgers and hotdogs. Thank you Charlie Loving for
making me feel a lot better about making this menu desision. I haven't
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

[AC via Texascavers]

Stefan,

I remember Niki Lake bringing a bunch of hog to either the first or second time 
at Paradise Canyon. 

Just for the record, I really appreciate the years you cooked for me at TCR. 
Thank you again. Let's get together at TCR, have some leisurely drinks, and 
watch all the fun. 

Allan

Smart phone, stupid autocorrect

> On Feb 19, 2017, at 10:15 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> That one wasn’t cooked until Sunday morning.
>  
> Help isn’t required at this point, Ryan, there is always plenty of that. 
> Someone to be in charge is.
>  
> Stefan Creaser
> Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
> 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
> Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
> Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
>  
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> ryan monjaras via Texascavers
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 7:21 PM
> To: texas cavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food
>  
> 2011 at Flat Creek Ranch. I like the idea of a hog on a spit as it ties in 
> with the viking theme, and I would be happy to help. 
>  
> Ryan Monjaras 
> "Semper Exploro"
>  
> Maverick Grotto 
> Cowtown Grotto 
> DFW Grotto 
> UT Grotto 
> Bexar Grotto 
> Greater Houston Grotto 
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> Texas Cave Management Association 
>  
>  
>  
> Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+.
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>  
>  Original message 
> From: David via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Date: 2/18/17 6:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR food
>  
> If you are not going to have a hog rotating over a wood fire and fire-roasted 
> vegetables then why even have a dinner ?Or at least some food cooked over 
> wood, or at least charcoal.
>  
> I am just curious when was the last time that the hog's head was the 
> centerpiece of the table ?   
>  
> I hope to arrive at TCR on Saturday at 5 pm. and hopefully find some leftover 
> scraps.
>  
> I can only pray that I will be single by then.
>  
> David Locklear
>  
>  
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

That one wasn't cooked until Sunday morning.

Help isn't required at this point, Ryan, there is always plenty of that. 
Someone to be in charge is.

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>. Skype: 
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
ryan monjaras via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 7:21 PM
To: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

2011 at Flat Creek Ranch. I like the idea of a hog on a spit as it ties in with 
the viking theme, and I would be happy to help.

Ryan Monjaras
"Semper Exploro"

Maverick Grotto
Cowtown Grotto
DFW Grotto
UT Grotto
Bexar Grotto
Greater Houston Grotto
Texas Speleological Association
Texas Cave Management Association



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Date: 2/18/17 6:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR food

If you are not going to have a hog rotating over a wood fire and fire-roasted 
vegetables then why even have a dinner ?Or at least some food cooked over 
wood, or at least charcoal.

I am just curious when was the last time that the hog's head was the 
centerpiece of the table ?

I hope to arrive at TCR on Saturday at 5 pm. and hopefully find some leftover 
scraps.

I can only pray that I will be single by then.

David Locklear


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Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Over the years I've been promised tens of feral hogs for TCR dinner. Can't say 
I've ever seen one thou...

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Steele via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 6:31 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

Bill Stone has problems with feral hogs and I think he said he's got a live 
trap. Catch one, fatten it up, and Vico knows what to do next.

> On Feb 18, 2017, at 6:28 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> I've donated meat. Two steers. I don't see anything wrong with a hog turning 
> on a spit. Surely we know hunters.
>
>
> --Don
>
>> On Feb 18, 2017, at 6:25 PM, David via Texascavers 
>> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you are not going to have a hog rotating over a wood fire and 
>> fire-roasted vegetables then why even have a dinner ?Or at least some 
>> food cooked over wood, or at least charcoal.
>>
>> I am just curious when was the last time that the hog's head was the 
>> centerpiece of the table ?
>>
>> I hope to arrive at TCR on Saturday at 5 pm. and hopefully find some 
>> leftover scraps.
>>
>> I can only pray that I will be single by then.
>>
>> David Locklear
>>
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR musician suggestion

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

No.

Stefan Creaser
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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 1:00 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR musician suggestion

I vote we bring these folks to TCR to perform:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRwAl4pOAWE
Anybody 2nd the motion ??

David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR musician suggestion

[PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers]

Ref. guitar playing at TCR. Recently Tommy Flint, 82, died. He was born at 
Dunmor, KY, 5 miles south of me. Short story. Tommy became a big time guitar 
player-opening act for Elvis and others-but he was famous for 40 books on 
playing the guitar with his most famous book being "You Can Teach Yourself 
Fingerpicking Guitar." I inadvertently ordered 2 copies. See me at NM if you 
want a free copy. This was published by Mel Bay.
Preston Forsythe, down the road from Dunmor, KY. location of my Granddad's 
first country store, and official location of the incorporation of Forsythe 
Co., Inc., first known as Dunmor Mercantile Co., Inc. 

On Sunday, February 19, 2017 12:41 PM, Herman Miller via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 I say we just have a collection of goodwill instruments on stage and anyone 
who wants to jam can.  It's free and the more alcohol the better the music 
sounds.
On Feb 19, 2017 5:41 AM, "Charles Loving via Texascavers" 
 wrote:

Sure. Who pays for them?
On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 1:00 AM, David via Texascavers 
 wrote:

I vote we bring these folks to TCR to perform:

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=yRwAl4pOAWE

Anybody 2nd the motion ??

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR musician suggestion

[Herman Miller via Texascavers]

I say we just have a collection of goodwill instruments on stage and anyone
who wants to jam can.  It's free and the more alcohol the better the music
sounds.

On Feb 19, 2017 5:41 AM, "Charles Loving via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Sure. Who pays for them?
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 1:00 AM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> I vote we bring these folks to TCR to perform:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRwAl4pOAWE
>>
>> Anybody 2nd the motion ??
>>
>> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR musician suggestion

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Sure. Who pays for them?

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 1:00 AM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I vote we bring these folks to TCR to perform:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRwAl4pOAWE
>
> Anybody 2nd the motion ??
>
> David Locklear
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[Texascavers] TCR musician suggestion

[David via Texascavers]

I vote we bring these folks to TCR to perform:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRwAl4pOAWE

Anybody 2nd the motion ??

David Locklear
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