Re: [Texascavers] Texas caver Mike Wharton

[Bill Bentley]

When Mike lived in Odessa he helped me and a few others get trained to 
do vertical rope work. I remember his trips into Wizards Well, it was 
full on go and we never rested but once in 28 hours . He was always a 
good friend to me and many others, I have some great memories...


On 11/22/2021 10:25 PM, Mimi Jasek wrote:
So sorry to hear this ☹️ My Jim went caving with Mike on numerous 
occasions. Seems like strokes are taking more of our community’s old 
timers away from us in one way or another. Friends, help Cindy out all 
you can. She will need the support. Quite honestly, depending on the 
type and severity of the stroke, Mike could come back all the way, 
part of the way, or none of the way. We will be sending healing 
thoughts and prayers their way!


Thanks for letting us know Bill.

Mimi Jasek
Waco, TX
mjca...@gmail.com
254-495-0416

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On Nov 22, 2021, at 10:44 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:

Mike was a neighbor out here in Real and Edwards County. He lived on 
the other side of the Nueches. Mike was a fun fellow. He kept 
building his own caves on his property.


On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 5:43 PM William R. Elliott 
 wrote:


Just wanted to say that his name is spelled Warton.

*William R. (Bill) Elliott*

30105 Briarcrest Court

Georgetown, Texas 78628

_speodesmus@gmail.com_

573-291-5093 cell



On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:00 PM Bill Steele
 wrote:

I heard bad news a little while ago about fellow caver Mike
Wharton. Mike was very active in caving in Texas and Mexico
in the 1980s and 1990s. He retired to the Hill Country a few
years ago.

He’s had a major stroke and ls being cared for at Sagebrook
Nursing and Rehabilitation in Cedar Park, just north of Austin:
https://caradayhealth.com/sagebrook/

 I have his wife Cindy’s phone number if you know Mike and
would like to speak with her. Email me for it.

Best regards,

Bill Steele
Irving, Texas
speleoste...@aol.com

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas caver Mike Wharton

[Mimi Jasek]

So sorry to hear this ☹️ My Jim went caving with Mike on numerous occasions. 
Seems like strokes are taking more of our community’s old timers away from us 
in one way or another. Friends, help Cindy out all you can. She will need the 
support. Quite honestly, depending on the type and severity of the stroke, Mike 
could come back all the way, part of the way, or none of the way. We will be 
sending healing thoughts and prayers their way!

Thanks for letting us know Bill.

Mimi Jasek
Waco, TX
mjca...@gmail.com
254-495-0416

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> On Nov 22, 2021, at 10:44 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> 
> Mike was a neighbor out here in Real and Edwards County. He lived on the 
> other side of the Nueches. Mike was a fun fellow. He kept building his own 
> caves on his property. 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 5:43 PM William R. Elliott  
>> wrote:
>> Just wanted to say that his name is spelled Warton. 
>> William R. (Bill) Elliott
>> 
>> 30105 Briarcrest Court
>> 
>> Georgetown, Texas 78628
>> 
>> speodes...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 573-291-5093 cell
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:00 PM Bill Steele  
>>> wrote:
>>> I heard bad news a little while ago about fellow caver Mike Wharton. Mike 
>>> was very active in caving in Texas and Mexico in the 1980s and 1990s. He 
>>> retired to the Hill Country a few years ago.
>>> 
>>> He’s had a major stroke and ls being cared for at Sagebrook Nursing and 
>>> Rehabilitation in Cedar Park, just north of Austin:
>>> https://caradayhealth.com/sagebrook/
>>> 
>>>  I have his wife Cindy’s phone number if you know Mike and would like to 
>>> speak with her. Email me for it. 
>>> 
>>> Best regards, 
>>> 
>>> Bill Steele 
>>> Irving, Texas
>>> speleoste...@aol.com
>>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas caver Mike Wharton

[Charles Loving]

Mike was a neighbor out here in Real and Edwards County. He lived on the
other side of the Nueches. Mike was a fun fellow. He kept building his own
caves on his property.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 5:43 PM William R. Elliott 
wrote:

> Just wanted to say that his name is spelled Warton.
>
> *William R. (Bill) Elliott*
>
> 30105 Briarcrest Court
>
> Georgetown, Texas 78628
>
> *speodes...@gmail.com *
>
> 573-291-5093 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:00 PM Bill Steele 
> wrote:
>
>> I heard bad news a little while ago about fellow caver Mike Wharton. Mike
>> was very active in caving in Texas and Mexico in the 1980s and 1990s. He
>> retired to the Hill Country a few years ago.
>>
>> He’s had a major stroke and ls being cared for at Sagebrook Nursing and
>> Rehabilitation in Cedar Park, just north of Austin:
>> https://caradayhealth.com/sagebrook/
>>
>>  I have his wife Cindy’s phone number if you know Mike and would like to
>> speak with her. Email me for it.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bill Steele
>> Irving, Texas
>> speleoste...@aol.com
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas caver Mike Wharton

[William R. Elliott]

Just wanted to say that his name is spelled Warton.

*William R. (Bill) Elliott*

30105 Briarcrest Court

Georgetown, Texas 78628

*speodes...@gmail.com *

573-291-5093 cell


On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:00 PM Bill Steele 
wrote:

> I heard bad news a little while ago about fellow caver Mike Wharton. Mike
> was very active in caving in Texas and Mexico in the 1980s and 1990s. He
> retired to the Hill Country a few years ago.
>
> He’s had a major stroke and ls being cared for at Sagebrook Nursing and
> Rehabilitation in Cedar Park, just north of Austin:
> https://caradayhealth.com/sagebrook/
>
>  I have his wife Cindy’s phone number if you know Mike and would like to
> speak with her. Email me for it.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bill Steele
> Irving, Texas
> speleoste...@aol.com
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas caver Mike Wharton

[Mark Minton]

Thanks, Bill. I remember Mike from the ‘70s and/or ‘80s in Texas. I made a 
couple of trips with him to Wizard’s Well. He was pretty hardcore back in the 
day. He had a heavy hand sledge that he called Thor. I still use something 
similar. I also remember an amusing incident from when he found a resurgence 
cave in Mexico and wanted to name it something or other spring cave in Spanish, 
but used the word for a mechanical spring instead of a fount of water.

 

I hope he recovers.

 

Mark Minton

mamintonca...@gmail.com

 

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Steele
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 7:00 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Cc: Charles Steele
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas caver Mike Wharton

 

I heard bad news a little while ago about fellow caver Mike Wharton. Mike was 
very active in caving in Texas and Mexico in the 1980s and 1990s. He retired to 
the Hill Country a few years ago.

 

He’s had a major stroke and ls being cared for at Sagebrook Nursing and 
Rehabilitation in Cedar Park, just north of Austin:

https://caradayhealth.com/sagebrook/

 

 I have his wife Cindy’s phone number if you know Mike and would like to speak 
with her. Email me for it. 

 

Best regards, 

 

Bill Steele 

Irving, Texas

speleoste...@aol.com

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[Texascavers] Texas caver Mike Wharton

[Bill Steele]

I heard bad news a little while ago about fellow caver Mike Wharton. Mike was 
very active in caving in Texas and Mexico in the 1980s and 1990s. He retired to 
the Hill Country a few years ago.

He’s had a major stroke and ls being cared for at Sagebrook Nursing and 
Rehabilitation in Cedar Park, just north of Austin:
https://caradayhealth.com/sagebrook/

 I have his wife Cindy’s phone number if you know Mike and would like to speak 
with her. Email me for it. 

Best regards, 

Bill Steele 
Irving, Texas
speleoste...@aol.com

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver publication

[Charles Loving]

I pay my dues but never see anything. But I don't worry about it much.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 5:47 AM, Bill Steele 
wrote:

> Questions please:  When was the last Texas Caver published? Is the next
> one in the works? I like to submit articles for it. To whom do they go? Is
> there a deadline for the next one?
>
> Could someone please tell me if my TSA dues are current?
>
> Thanks,
>
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[Texascavers] Texas Caver publication

[Bill Steele]

Questions please:  When was the last Texas Caver published? Is the next one in 
the works? I like to submit articles for it. To whom do they go? Is there a 
deadline for the next one? 

Could someone please tell me if my TSA dues are current?

Thanks,

Bill Steele 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine

[Robert B]

go to the TSA Website Members area and register

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 9:58 PM, kliban100 . <danny68rami...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Robert
> When I signed up for TSA, I never received log in info. What would that
> consist of?
>
> Daniel Ramirez
> danny68rami...@gmail.com
> _
> From: Robert B <robert.c.b1...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 7:16 PM
> Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine
> To: <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>
>
>
> TSA Members
>
> The latest edition of the Texas Caver Magazine is now available for your
> 'Online' viewing.
>
> Please visit the TSA Website  - Members Area and 'Log-In'
>
> https://www.cavetexas.org/members/index.php
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine

[Jerry]

Excellent issue of the Texas Caver !  Many thanks to all involved. If possible, 
could someone list the editors and helpers for this issue ?

Thanks again, everyone !

Jerry Atkinson
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Sent: Fri, May 5, 2017 6:16 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine



TSA Members


The latest edition of the Texas Caver Magazine is now available for your 
'Online' viewing.


Please visit the TSA Website  - Members Area and 'Log-In'


https://www.cavetexas.org/members/index.php



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[Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine

[Robert B]

TSA Members

The latest edition of the Texas Caver Magazine is now available for your
'Online' viewing.

Please visit the TSA Website  - Members Area and 'Log-In'

https://www.cavetexas.org/members/index.php
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Memorial Page

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Fritz,

Can you email me off line. My email address is 
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org<mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> The email 
address I have for you isn’t working.

Thanks,

Geary Schindel

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
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To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Jimmy Walker <jim...@gvtc.com>; June Levy <kittymr...@aol.com>; Mandy 
<geekazoidman...@hotmail.com>; Jacquetta Breedlove <bl...@vownet.net>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Memorial Page

June and I visited with old friend Jimmy Walker yesterday  for four hours at 
his home in Waelder, Texas. We had the additional pleasure of visiting with his 
son, Alan and wife Trish, delightful people.  At 89, Jimmy is doing well and is 
as sharp and personable as ever. Jimmy and I formed a close relationship in the 
mid 1950's which has endured to the present. Of several caving trips our most 
memorable was the excitement and distinction of being the second group to cross 
the "Ledge" in Mayfield Cave (Caverns of Sonora) and explore perhaps the most 
beautiful cave in America. This was February of 1956 when I was 21. We also 
have some great pictures of our 1959 trip to KICKAPOO Cave on the former ranch 
of Tommy Sargent, a neighbor of Happy Shahan, builder of Alamo Village. As some 
of you may know, Jimmy is a writer, adventurer, caver, photographer and 
probably the most talented artist of his time. I am in the process of acquiring 
some of his works.  Jimmy and I individually caved (spelunked) with Preston 
McMichael during his regretfully short life. My friends and I were greatly 
entertained on various camp outs by Preston playing classical guitar which he 
did quite well. Jimmy and I have numerous pictures of Preston which were taken 
on various outings. Some are at The Devil's Sinkhole, Goodenough Spring, a 
rancher's bunkhouse where we were caving and at the shelter caves on the Rio 
Grande with the historic Indian rock art. These were great times with two 
unique individuals. I should gather all of my caving pictures to donate to the 
TSS archives while I am still able.
Fritz F. Holt
fritz...@gmail.com<mailto:fritz...@gmail.com>
713-818-2496
At Triple Creek Ranch, Dripping Springs, Texas

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On Jan 27, 2017, at 2:35 AM, David via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
I was just skimming thru the Texas Caver Memorial Page to
see if there was anything to say in memory of our lost friends and
colleagues.
According to the data in the table:

It has been 50 years now since Preston McMichael passed away.
I believe it has now been 11 years since Randy Waters passed away,
and 16 for Oren Tranbarger, and 10 year for Marcia Littlestar, and
17 for Pat Copeland.I believe Pat would have been 74 now.
William Blakemore would have celebrated his 94th birthday, and
Walter Friesen, his 73rd, and Rod Goke, 70, and Clark Santos 74.
I can only guess Charles Haskett would have been 60, as his birth year
does not appear to be listed correctly.
It appears that it has been 8 years since Harry Walker of Houston
passed away.
I know you all could look at this list and find similar things to say about
cavers you once met or even knew.
Can someone please add Jim McLane to the list ?
David Locklear
dlocklea...@gmail.com<mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>
( I hope you won't add me to the list for 47 more years, as I would
like to celebrate my 100th Birthday.However, at the rate I am going
that don't look feasible.I think I need to set a lofty goal of reaching
60 and play it by ear after that.  I nearly had 2 car wrecks yesterday, falling
asleep at the wheel.  )
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Memorial Page

[Fritz Holt via Texascavers]

June and I visited with old friend Jimmy Walker yesterday  for four hours at 
his home in Waelder, Texas. We had the additional pleasure of visiting with his 
son, Alan and wife Trish, delightful people.  At 89, Jimmy is doing well and is 
as sharp and personable as ever. Jimmy and I formed a close relationship in the 
mid 1950's which has endured to the present. Of several caving trips our most 
memorable was the excitement and distinction of being the second group to cross 
the "Ledge" in Mayfield Cave (Caverns of Sonora) and explore perhaps the most 
beautiful cave in America. This was February of 1956 when I was 21. We also 
have some great pictures of our 1959 trip to KICKAPOO Cave on the former ranch 
of Tommy Sargent, a neighbor of Happy Shahan, builder of Alamo Village. As some 
of you may know, Jimmy is a writer, adventurer, caver, photographer and 
probably the most talented artist of his time. I am in the process of acquiring 
some of his works.  Jimmy and I individually caved (spelunked) with Preston 
McMichael during his regretfully short life. My friends and I were greatly 
entertained on various camp outs by Preston playing classical guitar which he 
did quite well. Jimmy and I have numerous pictures of Preston which were taken 
on various outings. Some are at The Devil's Sinkhole, Goodenough Spring, a 
rancher's bunkhouse where we were caving and at the shelter caves on the Rio 
Grande with the historic Indian rock art. These were great times with two 
unique individuals. I should gather all of my caving pictures to donate to the 
TSS archives while I am still able. 
Fritz F. Holt
fritz...@gmail.com
713-818-2496
At Triple Creek Ranch, Dripping Springs, Texas

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> On Jan 27, 2017, at 2:35 AM, David via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was just skimming thru the Texas Caver Memorial Page to
> see if there was anything to say in memory of our lost friends and
> colleagues.
> 
> According to the data in the table:
> 
> It has been 50 years now since Preston McMichael passed away.
> 
> I believe it has now been 11 years since Randy Waters passed away,
> and 16 for Oren Tranbarger, and 10 year for Marcia Littlestar, and
> 17 for Pat Copeland.I believe Pat would have been 74 now.
> 
> William Blakemore would have celebrated his 94th birthday, and
> Walter Friesen, his 73rd, and Rod Goke, 70, and Clark Santos 74.
> 
> I can only guess Charles Haskett would have been 60, as his birth year
> does not appear to be listed correctly.
> 
> It appears that it has been 8 years since Harry Walker of Houston
> passed away. 
> 
> I know you all could look at this list and find similar things to say about
> cavers you once met or even knew.
> 
> Can someone please add Jim McLane to the list ?
> 
> David Locklear
> dlocklea...@gmail.com
> ( I hope you won't add me to the list for 47 more years, as I would
> like to celebrate my 100th Birthday.However, at the rate I am going
> that don't look feasible.I think I need to set a lofty goal of reaching
> 60 and play it by ear after that.  I nearly had 2 car wrecks yesterday, 
> falling
> asleep at the wheel.  )
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[Texascavers] Texas Caver Memorial Page

[David via Texascavers]

I was just skimming thru the Texas Caver Memorial Page to
see if there was anything to say in memory of our lost friends and
colleagues.

According to the data in the table:

It has been 50 years now since Preston McMichael passed away.

I believe it has now been 11 years since Randy Waters passed away,
and 16 for Oren Tranbarger, and 10 year for Marcia Littlestar, and
17 for Pat Copeland.I believe Pat would have been 74 now.

William Blakemore would have celebrated his 94th birthday, and
Walter Friesen, his 73rd, and Rod Goke, 70, and Clark Santos 74.

I can only guess Charles Haskett would have been 60, as his birth year
does not appear to be listed correctly.

It appears that it has been 8 years since Harry Walker of Houston
passed away.

I know you all could look at this list and find similar things to say about
cavers you once met or even knew.

Can someone please add Jim McLane to the list ?

David Locklear
dlocklea...@gmail.com
( I hope you won't add me to the list for 47 more years, as I would
like to celebrate my 100th Birthday.However, at the rate I am going
that don't look feasible.I think I need to set a lofty goal of reaching
60 and play it by ear after that.  I nearly had 2 car wrecks yesterday,
falling
asleep at the wheel.  )
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[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

I certainly agree that getting material is likely to be a greater challenge to 
a TC editor than the mechanics of putting together an issue, especially if the 
mechanics are perhaps reduced by a little less flash. But putting out a 
quality, timely product that authors will be proud to appear in will help a 
lot. -- Mixon

A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg.

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Stop all the carping it leads nowhere positive. Oldman Wisdom did the UTG
Newsletter in the olden days and never spelled a word right but no one
cared it was the document that counted.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bennett Lee via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I have written more articles for the Texas Caver in the past 5 years than
> any other person.  More importantly, I have also offered to assist in
> proofreading dozens of times over the years to numerous people, but no one
> has gotten me involved in proofing the final version for many years now.
> And now we have an issue that has MULTIPLE ERRORS ON THE COVER.  If anyone
> thinks Jerry is being “hateful” because he is resting on his legacy rather
> than offering his proofing capabilities, then let me say as someone who has
> offered—and continues to offer—to proofread, multiple blatant errors on the
> cover is completely unacceptable.
>
>
>
> And for the record, I was the editor of the LAG News for the Lubbock Area
> Grotto back in the early 90s.  I have a minor in Technical Writing, and a
> B.S. in Computer Science.  I have too many other large, time-consuming
> projects for the Bexar Grotto and TCMA to be the actual editor, but I would
> be a huge benefit to the Texas Caver even in a limited proofreading role.
>
>
>
> If you want to shut me up about blatant errors, then let me help proof.  I
> can’t guarantee I’ll catch every error, but at least then I’ll be one the
> people blamed instead of one of the people complaining.
>
>
>
> --Bennett
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Fritz Holt via Texascavers
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:24 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
>
>
>
> Jerry,
>
> Having met several times over the last eleven years (became active again
> in the caving (spelunking) community in 2005), I feel I know you as a
> friend. I enjoy The Texas Caver  when I can find one but will leave the
> current "discussion" to you and others. I will say I like your responses to
> the allegations. Keep up the intelligent conversation. I will probably
> regret sending this, (not really).
>
> Fritz Holt
>
> fritz...@gmail.com
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Jerry via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> RK,
>
> As usual, you speak without knowledge. This old coon has contributed quite
> a bit but you probably don't bother to find these things out nor read your
> Texas Cavers.
>
> As for contributing little, I assume you are referring to the Texas Caver
> of late. I would be more than happy to proofread the print copy before it
> goes to the printer, but that's been rather difficult recently when one
> doesn't know if the Texas Caver actually is alive and who is in charge, and
> the editor in the past has ignored the advice that has been given her from
> several folks that actually have experience editing. Coons don't like to
> beat their heads against the wall too often, - leads to chronic traumatic
> encephalopathy (CTE) as you call it.
>
> Jerry Atkinson (old coon).
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 5:54 am
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
>
> Jerry,
>
>
>
> You have been hitting your head with rocks for too long, it's called
> chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), time to hang up your email account
> old coon.
>
>
>
> You insult supporters of Texas caving causes, then go on rants about Texas
> Caver where you contribute little. Just become one with the earth.
>
>
>
> RK
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>
>
>
> _
> From: via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
> To: <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Cc: <texascavers@texascavers.com> <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>
> I think you have me mixed up with someone else. Please either elucidate or
> climb back under that rock you tried to hit me with on the Powell's gate.
>
>
>
> Jerry.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:45 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
>
>
> It's poor form for you to blaming others for ap

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)

[Bennett Lee via Texascavers]

I have written more articles for the Texas Caver in the past 5 years than any 
other person.  More importantly, I have also offered to assist in proofreading 
dozens of times over the years to numerous people, but no one has gotten me 
involved in proofing the final version for many years now.  And now we have an 
issue that has MULTIPLE ERRORS ON THE COVER.  If anyone thinks Jerry is being 
“hateful” because he is resting on his legacy rather than offering his proofing 
capabilities, then let me say as someone who has offered—and continues to 
offer—to proofread, multiple blatant errors on the cover is completely 
unacceptable.

And for the record, I was the editor of the LAG News for the Lubbock Area 
Grotto back in the early 90s.  I have a minor in Technical Writing, and a B.S. 
in Computer Science.  I have too many other large, time-consuming projects for 
the Bexar Grotto and TCMA to be the actual editor, but I would be a huge 
benefit to the Texas Caver even in a limited proofreading role.

If you want to shut me up about blatant errors, then let me help proof.  I 
can’t guarantee I’ll catch every error, but at least then I’ll be one the 
people blamed instead of one of the people complaining.

--Bennett


From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Fritz Holt via Texascavers
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:24 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)

Jerry,
Having met several times over the last eleven years (became active again in the 
caving (spelunking) community in 2005), I feel I know you as a friend. I enjoy 
The Texas Caver  when I can find one but will leave the current "discussion" to 
you and others. I will say I like your responses to the allegations. Keep up 
the intelligent conversation. I will probably regret sending this, (not really).
Fritz Holt
fritz...@gmail.com<mailto:fritz...@gmail.com>

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 15, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Jerry via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
RK,

As usual, you speak without knowledge. This old coon has contributed quite a 
bit but you probably don't bother to find these things out nor read your Texas 
Cavers.

As for contributing little, I assume you are referring to the Texas Caver of 
late. I would be more than happy to proofread the print copy before it goes to 
the printer, but that's been rather difficult recently when one doesn't know if 
the Texas Caver actually is alive and who is in charge, and the editor in the 
past has ignored the advice that has been given her from several folks that 
actually have experience editing. Coons don't like to beat their heads against 
the wall too often, - leads to chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) as you 
call it.

Jerry Atkinson (old coon).

-Original Message-
From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
To: texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 5:54 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
Jerry,

You have been hitting your head with rocks for too long, it's called chronic 
traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), time to hang up your email account old coon.

You insult supporters of Texas caving causes, then go on rants about Texas 
Caver where you contribute little. Just become one with the earth.

RK

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

_
From: via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
To: <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Cc: <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>

I think you have me mixed up with someone else. Please either elucidate or 
climb back under that rock you tried to hit me with on the Powell's gate.

Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:45 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Jerry,

It's poor form for you to blaming others for appearance of Texas Caver when you 
have taken no responsibility for your past leadership failures. Quit before you 
embarrass yourself any more.

RK
Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>



On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:08 AM -0500, "via 
Texascavers"<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> 
wrote:
What you ought to be pissed off about is waiting a year for a really poorly 
edited TxCvr, when anyone that really cared about their job would have gone to 
extreme effort to put toge

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)

[Fritz Holt via Texascavers]

Jerry, 
Having met several times over the last eleven years (became active again in the 
caving (spelunking) community in 2005), I feel I know you as a friend. I enjoy 
The Texas Caver  when I can find one but will leave the current "discussion" to 
you and others. I will say I like your responses to the allegations. Keep up 
the intelligent conversation. I will probably regret sending this, (not really).
Fritz Holt
fritz...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Jerry via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> RK,
> 
> As usual, you speak without knowledge. This old coon has contributed quite a 
> bit but you probably don't bother to find these things out nor read your 
> Texas Cavers.
> 
> As for contributing little, I assume you are referring to the Texas Caver of 
> late. I would be more than happy to proofread the print copy before it goes 
> to the printer, but that's been rather difficult recently when one doesn't 
> know if the Texas Caver actually is alive and who is in charge, and the 
> editor in the past has ignored the advice that has been given her from 
> several folks that actually have experience editing. Coons don't like to beat 
> their heads against the wall too often, - leads to chronic traumatic 
> encephalopathy (CTE) as you call it.
> 
> Jerry Atkinson (old coon).
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 5:54 am
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
> 
> Jerry,  
> 
> You have been hitting your head with rocks for too long, it's called chronic 
> traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), time to hang up your email account old coon.
> 
> You insult supporters of Texas caving causes, then go on rants about Texas 
> Caver where you contribute little. Just become one with the earth. 
> 
> RK
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> _________
> From: via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
> To: <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Cc: <texascavers@texascavers.com> <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> 
> 
> I think you have me mixed up with someone else. Please either elucidate or 
> climb back under that rock you tried to hit me with on the Powell's gate.
> 
> Jerry.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:45 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> Jerry,
> 
> It's poor form for you to blaming others for appearance of Texas Caver when 
> you have taken no responsibility for your past leadership failures. Quit 
> before you embarrass yourself any more.
> 
> RK
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:08 AM -0500, "via 
> Texascavers"<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> 
> What you ought to be pissed off about is waiting a year for a really poorly 
> edited TxCvr, when anyone that really cared about their job would have gone 
> to extreme effort to put together the very best issue they could as a true 
> apology for the transgressions of the past. And for the record, I gave credit 
> where credit was due: the authors who bothered to send in articles to a 
> defunct Cvr even if they didn't know it would be published. They deserve 
> accolades, not the editor.
> 
> Sorry you find it hateful to call a spade a spade. Perhaps when you were an 
> officer of the TSA, you could have helped correct the situation rather than 
> send nasty emails to those that are disgusted with the lackluster results of 
> a TSA that apologizes rather than acts when there is a serious problem. 
> 
> And as a lesson to history, I have put in my time as an officer of the TSA, 
> edited the TxCvr, and published the Activities Newsletter when another past 
> editor did not perform. I've attended TSA meetings for over 40 years and been 
> involved in and led TSA projects. Don't even try to give me a lesson on how 
> things work and the sacrifices involved with making both the TSA and TxCvr 
> work. 
> 
> You, at least in the past as an officer, were responsible for not just 
> putting on a Convention, attending meetings, and doing the miscellaneous jobs 
> required by the office, but also carrying on a legacy established by others 
> before you. The thousands of days and hours of work by others over 50 some 
> years to create an organization that brought the various caving groups 
> together, made them want to contribute to the greater good, and create one of

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)

[Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers]

Jerry,
To channel old 'copperknob', insulting Heather means you have no heart, 
insulting me means you have no brain. But I am very sober this morning, and you 
are still very ugly inside.
Stop insulting people, you are not helping yourself or TSA by doing so. If you 
don't like the caver, volunteer to help the editor or take over it's duties in 
the future.
RK

Get Outlook for iOS




On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 7:41 AM -0500, "Jerry via Texascavers" 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:





RK,

As usual, you speak without knowledge. This old coon has contributed quite a 
bit but you probably don't bother to find these things out nor read your Texas 
Cavers.

As for contributing little, I assume you are referring to the Texas Caver of 
late. I would be more than happy to proofread the print copy before it goes to 
the printer, but that's been rather difficult recently when one doesn't know if 
the Texas Caver actually is alive and who is in charge, and the editor in the 
past has ignored the advice that has been given her from several folks that 
actually have experience editing. Coons don't like to beat their heads against 
the wall too often, - leads to chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) as you 
call it.

Jerry Atkinson (old coon).



-Original Message-
From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 5:54 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)



Jerry,


You have been hitting your head with rocks for too long, it's called chronic 
traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), time to hang up your email account old coon.


You insult supporters of Texas caving causes, then go on rants about Texas 
Caver where you contribute little. Just become one with the earth.


RK


Get Outlook for iOS



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From: via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
To:  <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Cc: <texascavers@texascavers.com> <texascavers@texascavers.com>



I think you have me mixed up with someone else. Please either elucidate or 
climb back under that rock you tried to hit me with on the Powell's gate.


Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:45 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:




Jerry,


It's poor form for you to blaming others for appearance of Texas Caver when you 
have taken no responsibility for your past leadership failures. Quit before you 
embarrass yourself any more.


RK


Get Outlook for iOS






On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:08 AM -0500, "via 
Texascavers"<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:



What you ought to be pissed off about is waiting a year for a really poorly 
edited TxCvr, when anyone that really cared about their job would have gone to 
extreme effort to put together the very best issue they could as a true apology 
for the transgressions of the past. And for the record, I gave credit where 
credit was due: the authors who bothered to send in articles to a defunct Cvr 
even if they didn't know it would be published. They deserve accolades, not the 
editor.


Sorry you find it hateful to call a spade a spade. Perhaps when you were an 
officer of the TSA, you could have helped correct the situation rather than 
send nasty emails to those that are disgusted with the lackluster results of a 
TSA that apologizes rather than acts when there is a serious problem.


And as a lesson to history, I have put in my time as an officer of the TSA, 
edited the TxCvr, and published the Activities Newsletter when another past 
editor did not perform. I've attended TSA meetings for over 40 years and been 
involved in and led TSA projects. Don't even try to give me a lesson on how 
things work and the sacrifices involved with making both the TSA and TxCvr work.


You, at least in the past as an officer, were responsible for not just putting 
on a Convention, attending meetings, and doing the miscellaneous jobs required 
by the office, but also carrying on a legacy established by others before you. 
The thousands of days and hours of work by others over 50 some years to create 
an organization that brought the various caving groups together, made them want 
to contribute to the greater good, and create one of the best caving 
publications in the country, is that legacy. That legacy has been increasingly 
squandered in the recent past to the point that folks ask me what difference 
the TSA makes nowadays. I try to defend the TSA but the inability to get a 
TxCvr out for a year, the lack of transparency in informing the membership of 
the situation, and the type of response I have received from you for voicing 
disgust at a well meant but poorly edited TxCvr after so long a hiatus, make it 
difficult.


And if you think folks don't n

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)

[Jerry via Texascavers]

RK,

As usual, you speak without knowledge. This old coon has contributed quite a 
bit but you probably don't bother to find these things out nor read your Texas 
Cavers.

As for contributing little, I assume you are referring to the Texas Caver of 
late. I would be more than happy to proofread the print copy before it goes to 
the printer, but that's been rather difficult recently when one doesn't know if 
the Texas Caver actually is alive and who is in charge, and the editor in the 
past has ignored the advice that has been given her from several folks that 
actually have experience editing. Coons don't like to beat their heads against 
the wall too often, - leads to chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) as you 
call it.

Jerry Atkinson (old coon).

 

-Original Message-
From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 5:54 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)



Jerry,  


You have been hitting your head with rocks for too long, it's called chronic 
traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), time to hang up your email account old coon.


You insult supporters of Texas caving causes, then go on rants about Texas 
Caver where you contribute little. Just become one with the earth. 


RK


Get Outlook for iOS



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From: via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
To:  <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Cc: <texascavers@texascavers.com> <texascavers@texascavers.com>



I think you have me mixed up with someone else. Please either elucidate or 
climb back under that rock you tried to hit me with on the Powell's gate.


Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:45 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:




Jerry,


It's poor form for you to blaming others for appearance of Texas Caver when you 
have taken no responsibility for your past leadership failures. Quit before you 
embarrass yourself any more.


RK


Get Outlook for iOS






On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:08 AM -0500, "via 
Texascavers"<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:



What you ought to be pissed off about is waiting a year for a really poorly 
edited TxCvr, when anyone that really cared about their job would have gone to 
extreme effort to put together the very best issue they could as a true apology 
for the transgressions of the past. And for the record, I gave credit where 
credit was due: the authors who bothered to send in articles to a defunct Cvr 
even if they didn't know it would be published. They deserve accolades, not the 
editor.


Sorry you find it hateful to call a spade a spade. Perhaps when you were an 
officer of the TSA, you could have helped correct the situation rather than 
send nasty emails to those that are disgusted with the lackluster results of a 
TSA that apologizes rather than acts when there is a serious problem. 


And as a lesson to history, I have put in my time as an officer of the TSA, 
edited the TxCvr, and published the Activities Newsletter when another past 
editor did not perform. I've attended TSA meetings for over 40 years and been 
involved in and led TSA projects. Don't even try to give me a lesson on how 
things work and the sacrifices involved with making both the TSA and TxCvr 
work. 


You, at least in the past as an officer, were responsible for not just putting 
on a Convention, attending meetings, and doing the miscellaneous jobs required 
by the office, but also carrying on a legacy established by others before you. 
The thousands of days and hours of work by others over 50 some years to create 
an organization that brought the various caving groups together, made them want 
to contribute to the greater good, and create one of the best caving 
publications in the country, is that legacy. That legacy has been increasingly 
squandered in the recent past to the point that folks ask me what difference 
the TSA makes nowadays. I try to defend the TSA but the inability to get a 
TxCvr out for a year, the lack of transparency in informing the membership of 
the situation, and the type of response I have received from you for voicing 
disgust at a well meant but poorly edited TxCvr after so long a hiatus, make it 
difficult.


And if you think folks don't notice those glaring errors on the front cover, 
you must really have a low opinion of their expectations. Maybe that's part of 
our problem. Just getting by is apparently the norm, one must give credit and 
applause even for a poor job, and the lack of pride that folks seem to want to 
put into their work.


This may sound like nasty, hateful, talk and make you want to run away and 
hide, but it's time for the TSA to stand up and be counted. Those that came 
before you carried the wa

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)

[Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers]

Jerry,  
You have been hitting your head with rocks for too long, it's called chronic 
traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), time to hang up your email account old coon.
You insult supporters of Texas caving causes, then go on rants about Texas 
Caver where you contribute little. Just become one with the earth. 
RK
Get Outlook for iOS

_
From: via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)
To:  <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Cc: <texascavers@texascavers.com> <texascavers@texascavers.com>


I think you have me mixed up with someone else. Please either elucidate or 
climb back under that rock you tried to hit me with on the Powell's gate.
Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:45 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

Jerry,
It's poor form for you to blaming others for appearance of Texas Caver when you 
have taken no responsibility for your past leadership failures. Quit before you 
embarrass yourself any more.
RK

Get Outlook for iOS



On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:08 AM -0500, "via 
Texascavers"<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

What you ought to be pissed off about is waiting a year for a really poorly 
edited TxCvr, when anyone that really cared about their job would have gone to 
extreme effort to put together the very best issue they could as a true apology 
for the transgressions of the past. And for the record, I gave credit where 
credit was due: the authors who bothered to send in articles to a defunct Cvr 
even if they didn't know it would be published. They deserve accolades, not the 
editor.
Sorry you find it hateful to call a spade a spade. Perhaps when you were an 
officer of the TSA, you could have helped correct the situation rather than 
send nasty emails to those that are disgusted with the lackluster results of a 
TSA that apologizes rather than acts when there is a serious problem. 
And as a lesson to history, I have put in my time as an officer of the TSA, 
edited the TxCvr, and published the Activities Newsletter when another past 
editor did not perform. I've attended TSA meetings for over 40 years and been 
involved in and led TSA projects. Don't even try to give me a lesson on how 
things work and the sacrifices involved with making both the TSA and TxCvr 
work. 
You, at least in the past as an officer, were responsible for not just putting 
on a Convention, attending meetings, and doing the miscellaneous jobs required 
by the office, but also carrying on a legacy established by others before you. 
The thousands of days and hours of work by others over 50 some years to create 
an organization that brought the various caving groups together, made them want 
to contribute to the greater good, and create one of the best caving 
publications in the country, is that legacy. That legacy has been increasingly 
squandered in the recent past to the point that folks ask me what difference 
the TSA makes nowadays. I try to defend the TSA but the inability to get a 
TxCvr out for a year, the lack of transparency in informing the membership of 
the situation, and the type of response I have received from you for voicing 
disgust at a well meant but poorly edited TxCvr after so long a hiatus, make it 
difficult.
And if you think folks don't notice those glaring errors on the front cover, 
you must really have a low opinion of their expectations. Maybe that's part of 
our problem. Just getting by is apparently the norm, one must give credit and 
applause even for a poor job, and the lack of pride that folks seem to want to 
put into their work.
This may sound like nasty, hateful, talk and make you want to run away and 
hide, but it's time for the TSA to stand up and be counted. Those that came 
before you carried the water for many years. Now it's your turn and we're 
watching.
Jerry Atkinson.

Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

Wow Jerry.  Thanks for being yet another hateful caver "family member" who has 
nothing nice to say, yet can't keep their mouth shut, who never offers positive 
criticism or maybe an offer to help those who need assistance with something 
they are new at doing. Sorry that so many people worked their butts off aside 
from their normal jobs and families to get a publication out that people have 
been griping about not getting, but not helping to produce, just to make you 
focus on spelling errors and publication inconsistencies that most people don't 
know about (yet don't get help finding).  Man, I'm so glad to be a part of this 
group. 

-sincerely, your pissed off former secretary. 


On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Jerry via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

I am in awe.

Just a quick perusal of the cover says it a

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)

[via Texascavers]

I think you have me mixed up with someone else. Please either elucidate or 
climb back under that rock you tried to hit me with on the Powell's gate.

Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:45 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers 
 wrote:

> Jerry,
> 
> It's poor form for you to blaming others for appearance of Texas Caver when 
> you have taken no responsibility for your past leadership failures. Quit 
> before you embarrass yourself any more.
> 
> RK
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:08 AM -0500, "via Texascavers" 
>  wrote:
> 
> What you ought to be pissed off about is waiting a year for a really poorly 
> edited TxCvr, when anyone that really cared about their job would have gone 
> to extreme effort to put together the very best issue they could as a true 
> apology for the transgressions of the past. And for the record, I gave credit 
> where credit was due: the authors who bothered to send in articles to a 
> defunct Cvr even if they didn't know it would be published. They deserve 
> accolades, not the editor.
> 
> Sorry you find it hateful to call a spade a spade. Perhaps when you were an 
> officer of the TSA, you could have helped correct the situation rather than 
> send nasty emails to those that are disgusted with the lackluster results of 
> a TSA that apologizes rather than acts when there is a serious problem. 
> 
> And as a lesson to history, I have put in my time as an officer of the TSA, 
> edited the TxCvr, and published the Activities Newsletter when another past 
> editor did not perform. I've attended TSA meetings for over 40 years and been 
> involved in and led TSA projects. Don't even try to give me a lesson on how 
> things work and the sacrifices involved with making both the TSA and TxCvr 
> work. 
> 
> You, at least in the past as an officer, were responsible for not just 
> putting on a Convention, attending meetings, and doing the miscellaneous jobs 
> required by the office, but also carrying on a legacy established by others 
> before you. The thousands of days and hours of work by others over 50 some 
> years to create an organization that brought the various caving groups 
> together, made them want to contribute to the greater good, and create one of 
> the best caving publications in the country, is that legacy. That legacy has 
> been increasingly squandered in the recent past to the point that folks ask 
> me what difference the TSA makes nowadays. I try to defend the TSA but the 
> inability to get a TxCvr out for a year, the lack of transparency in 
> informing the membership of the situation, and the type of response I have 
> received from you for voicing disgust at a well meant but poorly edited TxCvr 
> after so long a hiatus, make it difficult.
> 
> And if you think folks don't notice those glaring errors on the front cover, 
> you must really have a low opinion of their expectations. Maybe that's part 
> of our problem. Just getting by is apparently the norm, one must give credit 
> and applause even for a poor job, and the lack of pride that folks seem to 
> want to put into their work.
> 
> This may sound like nasty, hateful, talk and make you want to run away and 
> hide, but it's time for the TSA to stand up and be counted. Those that came 
> before you carried the water for many years. Now it's your turn and we're 
> watching.
> 
> Jerry Atkinson.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Wow Jerry.  Thanks for being yet another hateful caver "family member" who 
>> has nothing nice to say, yet can't keep their mouth shut, who never offers 
>> positive criticism or maybe an offer to help those who need assistance with 
>> something they are new at doing. Sorry that so many people worked their 
>> butts off aside from their normal jobs and families to get a publication out 
>> that people have been griping about not getting, but not helping to produce, 
>> just to make you focus on spelling errors and publication inconsistencies 
>> that most people don't know about (yet don't get help finding). 
>>  
>> Man, I'm so glad to be a part of this group. 
>> 
>> 
>> -sincerely, your pissed off former secretary. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Jerry via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am in awe.
>>> 
>>> Just a quick perusal of the cover says it all. I'll be waiting for Marvin 
>>> to return from his time machine trip to 2105. And for grins, I did find 
>>> that "Haule" is a village consisting of about 610 inhabitants in the 
>>> municipality of Ooststellingwerf in the east of Friesland in the Netherlands
>>> 
>>> I was astounded to find that I have been spelling "flow stone" incorrectly 
>>> all these years.  And who authored the "Forged in Fire" photo montage of 
>>> some unknown cave(s) somewhere in Hawaii at some unknown 

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)

[Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers]

Jerry,
It's poor form for you to blaming others for appearance of Texas Caver when you 
have taken no responsibility for your past leadership failures. Quit before you 
embarrass yourself any more.
RK

Get Outlook for iOS




On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:08 AM -0500, "via Texascavers" 
 wrote:





What you ought to be pissed off about is waiting a year for a really poorly 
edited TxCvr, when anyone that really cared about their job would have gone to 
extreme effort to put together the very best issue they could as a true apology 
for the transgressions of the past. And for the record, I gave credit where 
credit was due: the authors who bothered to send in articles to a defunct Cvr 
even if they didn't know it would be published. They deserve accolades, not the 
editor.

Sorry you find it hateful to call a spade a spade. Perhaps when you were an 
officer of the TSA, you could have helped correct the situation rather than 
send nasty emails to those that are disgusted with the lackluster results of a 
TSA that apologizes rather than acts when there is a serious problem.

And as a lesson to history, I have put in my time as an officer of the TSA, 
edited the TxCvr, and published the Activities Newsletter when another past 
editor did not perform. I've attended TSA meetings for over 40 years and been 
involved in and led TSA projects. Don't even try to give me a lesson on how 
things work and the sacrifices involved with making both the TSA and TxCvr work.

You, at least in the past as an officer, were responsible for not just putting 
on a Convention, attending meetings, and doing the miscellaneous jobs required 
by the office, but also carrying on a legacy established by others before you. 
The thousands of days and hours of work by others over 50 some years to create 
an organization that brought the various caving groups together, made them want 
to contribute to the greater good, and create one of the best caving 
publications in the country, is that legacy. That legacy has been increasingly 
squandered in the recent past to the point that folks ask me what difference 
the TSA makes nowadays. I try to defend the TSA but the inability to get a 
TxCvr out for a year, the lack of transparency in informing the membership of 
the situation, and the type of response I have received from you for voicing 
disgust at a well meant but poorly edited TxCvr after so long a hiatus, make it 
difficult.

And if you think folks don't notice those glaring errors on the front cover, 
you must really have a low opinion of their expectations. Maybe that's part of 
our problem. Just getting by is apparently the norm, one must give credit and 
applause even for a poor job, and the lack of pride that folks seem to want to 
put into their work.

This may sound like nasty, hateful, talk and make you want to run away and 
hide, but it's time for the TSA to stand up and be counted. Those that came 
before you carried the water for many years. Now it's your turn and we're 
watching.

Jerry Atkinson.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 wrote:

> Wow Jerry.  Thanks for being yet another hateful caver "family member" who 
> has nothing nice to say, yet can't keep their mouth shut, who never offers 
> positive criticism or maybe an offer to help those who need assistance with 
> something they are new at doing. Sorry that so many people worked their butts 
> off aside from their normal jobs and families to get a publication out that 
> people have been griping about not getting, but not helping to produce, just 
> to make you focus on spelling errors and publication inconsistencies that 
> most people don't know about (yet don't get help finding).
>
> Man, I'm so glad to be a part of this group.
>
>
> -sincerely, your pissed off former secretary.
>
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Jerry via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
>
>> I am in awe.
>>
>> Just a quick perusal of the cover says it all. I'll be waiting for Marvin to 
>> return from his time machine trip to 2105. And for grins, I did find that 
>> "Haule" is a village consisting of about 610 inhabitants in the  
>> municipality of Ooststellingwerf in the east of Friesland in the Netherlands
>>
>> I was astounded to find that I have been spelling "flow stone" incorrectly 
>> all these years.  And who authored the "Forged in Fire" photo montage of 
>> some unknown cave(s) somewhere in Hawaii at some unknown date. At least 
>> there were photo captions identifying the people, if not the cave, unlike 
>> most of the other articles.
>>
>> I did enjoy the articles, and I appreciate the effort that the authors put 
>> forward for the enjoyment of us all. I hope you continue to submit articles 
>> in the future despite this issue.
>>
>> Really, folks, I understand that you all wanted to get this issue out before 
>> TCR and were probably rushed, but "Damn !"  

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)

[via Texascavers]

What you ought to be pissed off about is waiting a year for a really poorly 
edited TxCvr, when anyone that really cared about their job would have gone to 
extreme effort to put together the very best issue they could as a true apology 
for the transgressions of the past. And for the record, I gave credit where 
credit was due: the authors who bothered to send in articles to a defunct Cvr 
even if they didn't know it would be published. They deserve accolades, not the 
editor.

Sorry you find it hateful to call a spade a spade. Perhaps when you were an 
officer of the TSA, you could have helped correct the situation rather than 
send nasty emails to those that are disgusted with the lackluster results of a 
TSA that apologizes rather than acts when there is a serious problem. 

And as a lesson to history, I have put in my time as an officer of the TSA, 
edited the TxCvr, and published the Activities Newsletter when another past 
editor did not perform. I've attended TSA meetings for over 40 years and been 
involved in and led TSA projects. Don't even try to give me a lesson on how 
things work and the sacrifices involved with making both the TSA and TxCvr 
work. 

You, at least in the past as an officer, were responsible for not just putting 
on a Convention, attending meetings, and doing the miscellaneous jobs required 
by the office, but also carrying on a legacy established by others before you. 
The thousands of days and hours of work by others over 50 some years to create 
an organization that brought the various caving groups together, made them want 
to contribute to the greater good, and create one of the best caving 
publications in the country, is that legacy. That legacy has been increasingly 
squandered in the recent past to the point that folks ask me what difference 
the TSA makes nowadays. I try to defend the TSA but the inability to get a 
TxCvr out for a year, the lack of transparency in informing the membership of 
the situation, and the type of response I have received from you for voicing 
disgust at a well meant but poorly edited TxCvr after so long a hiatus, make it 
difficult.

And if you think folks don't notice those glaring errors on the front cover, 
you must really have a low opinion of their expectations. Maybe that's part of 
our problem. Just getting by is apparently the norm, one must give credit and 
applause even for a poor job, and the lack of pride that folks seem to want to 
put into their work.

This may sound like nasty, hateful, talk and make you want to run away and 
hide, but it's time for the TSA to stand up and be counted. Those that came 
before you carried the water for many years. Now it's your turn and we're 
watching.

Jerry Atkinson.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 wrote:

> Wow Jerry.  Thanks for being yet another hateful caver "family member" who 
> has nothing nice to say, yet can't keep their mouth shut, who never offers 
> positive criticism or maybe an offer to help those who need assistance with 
> something they are new at doing. Sorry that so many people worked their butts 
> off aside from their normal jobs and families to get a publication out that 
> people have been griping about not getting, but not helping to produce, just 
> to make you focus on spelling errors and publication inconsistencies that 
> most people don't know about (yet don't get help finding). 
>  
> Man, I'm so glad to be a part of this group. 
> 
> 
> -sincerely, your pissed off former secretary. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Jerry via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I am in awe.
>> 
>> Just a quick perusal of the cover says it all. I'll be waiting for Marvin to 
>> return from his time machine trip to 2105. And for grins, I did find that 
>> "Haule" is a village consisting of about 610 inhabitants in the  
>> municipality of Ooststellingwerf in the east of Friesland in the Netherlands
>> 
>> I was astounded to find that I have been spelling "flow stone" incorrectly 
>> all these years.  And who authored the "Forged in Fire" photo montage of 
>> some unknown cave(s) somewhere in Hawaii at some unknown date. At least 
>> there were photo captions identifying the people, if not the cave, unlike 
>> most of the other articles.
>> 
>> I did enjoy the articles, and I appreciate the effort that the authors put 
>> forward for the enjoyment of us all. I hope you continue to submit articles 
>> in the future despite this issue.
>> 
>> Really, folks, I understand that you all wanted to get this issue out before 
>> TCR and were probably rushed, but "Damn !"  If the polished trappings 
>> and fancy layout are the reasons for the bargain basement editing, 
>> proofreading, and publication delays, let's consider going back to xerox 
>> copies with corner staples that are timely and actually appear to have been 
>> published by an organization that gave a hoot.
>> 

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)

[Heather Tucek via Texascavers]

Wow Jerry.  Thanks for being yet another hateful caver "family member" who has 
nothing nice to say, yet can't keep their mouth shut, who never offers positive 
criticism or maybe an offer to help those who need assistance with something 
they are new at doing. Sorry that so many people worked their butts off aside 
from their normal jobs and families to get a publication out that people have 
been griping about not getting, but not helping to produce, just to make you 
focus on spelling errors and publication inconsistencies that most people don't 
know about (yet don't get help finding). 
 
Man, I'm so glad to be a part of this group. 


-sincerely, your pissed off former secretary. 



> On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Jerry via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am in awe.
> 
> Just a quick perusal of the cover says it all. I'll be waiting for Marvin to 
> return from his time machine trip to 2105. And for grins, I did find that 
> "Haule" is a village consisting of about 610 inhabitants in the municipality 
> of Ooststellingwerf in the east of Friesland in the Netherlands
> 
> I was astounded to find that I have been spelling "flow stone" incorrectly 
> all these years.  And who authored the "Forged in Fire" photo montage of some 
> unknown cave(s) somewhere in Hawaii at some unknown date. At least there were 
> photo captions identifying the people, if not the cave, unlike most of the 
> other articles.
> 
> I did enjoy the articles, and I appreciate the effort that the authors put 
> forward for the enjoyment of us all. I hope you continue to submit articles 
> in the future despite this issue.
> 
> Really, folks, I understand that you all wanted to get this issue out before 
> TCR and were probably rushed, but "Damn !"  If the polished trappings and 
> fancy layout are the reasons for the bargain basement editing, proofreading, 
> and publication delays, let's consider going back to xerox copies with corner 
> staples that are timely and actually appear to have been published by an 
> organization that gave a hoot.
> 
> Jerry Atkinson.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ellie Falgout 
> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
> Sent: Fri, Oct 14, 2016 12:14 pm
> Subject: Texas Caver Magazine Ready
> 
> TSA Members, 
> 
> The long awaited Texas Caver Magazine is printed and also available online in 
> the members area http://www.cavetexas.org/members/index.php. I am bringing 
> the printed magazines to TCR tonight and will have them at the Friday Wine 
> Tasting and from then on I will probably leave them at registration. The 
> magazines will finally be available at the TSA members meeting on Sunday, 
> October 16th at 9am. I will mail any magazines that remain after TCR.
> 
> Thanks to Jill for all your hard work on the magazine. Thanks to Linda Palit 
> and Niki Lake for helping get the magazine ready from the printer. 
> 
> Hope to see you at TCR! 
> 
> Ellie
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?)

[Jerry via Texascavers]

I am in awe.

Just a quick perusal of the cover says it all. I'll be waiting for Marvin to 
return from his time machine trip to 2105. And for grins, I did find that 
"Haule" is a village consisting of about 610 inhabitants in the municipality of 
Ooststellingwerf in the east of Friesland in the Netherlands

I was astounded to find that I have been spelling "flow stone" incorrectly all 
these years.  And who authored the "Forged in Fire" photo montage of some 
unknown cave(s) somewhere in Hawaii at some unknown date. At least there were 
photo captions identifying the people, if not the cave, unlike most of the 
other articles.

I did enjoy the articles, and I appreciate the effort that the authors put 
forward for the enjoyment of us all. I hope you continue to submit articles in 
the future despite this issue.

Really, folks, I understand that you all wanted to get this issue out before 
TCR and were probably rushed, but "Damn !"  If the polished trappings and 
fancy layout are the reasons for the bargain basement editing, proofreading, 
and publication delays, let's consider going back to xerox copies with corner 
staples that are timely and actually appear to have been published by an 
organization that gave a hoot.

Jerry Atkinson.
 

 

-Original Message-
From: Ellie Falgout 
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Sent: Fri, Oct 14, 2016 12:14 pm
Subject: Texas Caver Magazine Ready




TSA Members, 


The long awaited Texas Caver Magazine is printed and also available online in 
the members area http://www.cavetexas.org/members/index.php. I am bringing the 
printed magazines to TCR tonight and will have them at the Friday Wine Tasting 
and from then on I will probably leave them at registration. The magazines will 
finally be available at the TSA members meeting on Sunday, October 16th at 9am. 
I will mail any magazines that remain after TCR.

Thanks to Jill for all your hard work on the magazine. Thanks to Linda Palit 
and Niki Lake for helping get the magazine ready from the printer. 

Hope to see you at TCR! 


Ellie


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[Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine & TSA Fall Business Meeting

[Robert B via Texascavers]

TSA Members and concerned Texas Cavers

Many of you have voiced your concern regarding the absence of the Texas
Caver magazine over the past year. For the most part I have tried to listen
to your individual concerns and explain the situation on a 'one to one'
basis either through emails or phone calls. I have been personally
reluctant to utilize the 'Texascavers' listserve or Facebook as a means to
communicate to our caving community about the magazine. As current TSA
Chairman I can longer keep our members and our caving community in the
dark. Hence this note

Our current Editor has produced a number of great Texas Cavers issues over
the last few years. And I am greatful for her efforts. The content and
layout had been professionally edited. However, I (acting as TSA Chairman)
recognized too late that the editor did not have the support needed. This
job requires many people to lend a helping hand. Yes, there were a number
of very helpful proofreaders. But that's not enough to produce our
magazine. This task cannot fall to just one person. As such...

I have been actively searching for a new 'Editor in Chief' and a strong
group of Co-Editors for the Texas Caver Magazine. This team is finally
coming together and our goal is to produce quarterly issues ASAP. We have
the articles and the photos, its just a matter of completing some final
editing/layout tasks and getting it to a printer.

I ask for your patience, indulgence and yes, your help as we transition to
a new team of Editors.

Regarding the TSA Fall Business Meeting
Date & Time = Sunday October 16 - 9:00AM

I hope to see you all at TCR..

Robert Bisset
TSA Chairman
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[Texascavers] texas caver

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

Sorry for this very late request for articles, but I've been travelling for
over a month. Please send articles of any length or  photo expos  for the
next issue of the texas caver by the end of next week.  Thanks for your
patience and support!

 

Jill Orr

210.399.6762

 

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[Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

The Texas Caver needs articles and photos for the September issue. Lots of
interesting projects are going on and we'd like to include them.

 

NSS convention

After caving eateries

Projects in Mexico and around Texas 

 

Thanks everyone!

 

 

jill orr 

graphic design

210.931-4633

 http://jillorr.businesscatalyst.com/ jillorr.businesscatalyst.com

 

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Ben Hutchins via Texascavers]

Jill,I'd like to write an article about  Big Bend Ranch State Park.  We just 
got an MOU between TSS and the parks to do a cave survey project.  I'll make 
that announcement, advertise for the trip during thanksgiving, and give a brief 
summary of our previous efforts at the park.  When do you need the article by? 
Shouldn't take long.
Ben

  From: Jill Orr via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:06 PM
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Caver needs articles and photos for the September issue. Lots of interesting 
projects are going on and we’d like to include them.  NSS conventionAfter 
caving eateriesProjects in Mexico and around Texas   Thanks everyone!   jill 
orr graphic design210.931-4633jillorr.businesscatalyst.com  
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jerry via Texascavers]

Hi Ben,

Any cave info that needs to go in the database ?

Jerry.

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Ben Hutchins via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2015 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver


 
  
Jill,  
  
I'd like to write an article about  Big Bend Ranch State Park.  We just got an 
MOU between TSS and the parks to do a cave survey project.  I'll make that 
announcement, advertise for the trip during thanksgiving, and give a brief 
summary of our previous efforts at the park.  When do you need the article by? 
Shouldn't take long.  
  
   
  
  
Ben   
  
  
 
  
   

 
  
   From: Jill Orr via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:06 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Caver
  
 
 
 

   

 The Texas Caver needs articles and photos for the September issue. 
Lots of interesting projects are going on and we’d like to include them.

   

 NSS convention

 After caving eateries

 Projects in Mexico and around Texas 

   

 Thanks everyone!

   

  

 jill orr 

 graphic design

 210.931-4633

 jillorr.businesscatalyst.com 

  
   
  
 
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

  Thanks, Jill. The PDF version of issue 2 works well, but the ePub
version is a repeat of issue 1. I tried changing the 01 to a 02 in the
URL link, but that didn't work either (404 error - Not Found).

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On Sun, August 9, 2015 8:53 pm, Jill Orr via Texascavers wrote:
 The newest edition of the Texas Caver is online

 jill orr

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[Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

The newest edition of the Texas Caver is online

 

 

jill orr 

graphic design

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[Texascavers] texas caver articles

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

Hi Everyone, 

 

The TC  is in urgent and desperate need of articles for the next issue.

All of the regular contributors are too busy for this issue - so if you've
been thinking of submitting an article, never written an article, or have a
project to update us on  - now is the time to do it!!  

 

Thanks in advance! 

 

 

jill orr 

graphic design

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Re: [Texascavers] texas caver articles

[Joe Evelynn via Texascavers]

Still working on mine. When do you need them?

Joe
Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 4, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone,
  
 The TC  is in urgent and desperate need of articles for the next issue.
 All of the regular contributors are too busy for this issue – so if you’ve 
 been thinking of submitting an article, never written an article, or have a 
 project to update us on  - now is the time to do it!!  
  
 Thanks in advance!
  
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver volume and issue numbers :

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

It is also extremely important that this information be included as the Texas 
Caver is deposited in the Karst Information Portal, which indexes issues by 
volume, number and year of publication.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Professor
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Department of Biophysics
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
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214-645-6353 (fax)


On Feb 1, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Jerry via Texascavers wrote:

 Posted for Mimi Jasek:

 To All Current and Future Editors and Proofreaders of the Texas Caver:

 We really do have one of the finest caving magazines in the United States, 
 but I would like to try to make you aware of something that needs to be put 
 back on the Contents Page to make it complete, and to correct an error that 
 is being perpetuated. In the past this information has been either there or 
 on the combined Publication Data/Contents Page. There is plenty of room to 
 add a text box above the word Contents with this information, or if it 
 belongs on the Publication Data page, put it there. I would suggest checking 
 with Logan McNatt as to correct placement.

 The Texas Caver
 January - March, 2015
 Volume 61, Issue 1

 I put this in the format that would be for the first issue of 2015.  In many 
 past issues, also, rather than Vol and Issue being put on the cover, it was 
 simply the months involved.

 Correction that needs to be fixed:  The Volume number is for a whole year!  
 DO NOT increase this number with the isssue number increasement!  Please see 
 the wonderful spread sheet provided by Jerry Atkinson in his 11/13/14 post 
 about the Texas Caver Publication List. If you have never worked on a 
 magazine before, and have never paid attention to this, then this mistake can 
 be understandable. But if we are still sending out issues to libraries and 
 other important cave owner entities, this information matters. For all who 
 may still get their hard copies bound into yearly volumes, this also matters. 
  In 2014, the TC went from Vol 60 all the way to Vol 63, yet the whole year 
 is Volume 60.

 To many who see this post, this request will seem frivolous and totally 
 unimportant. But as someone who worked on the TC for untold years alongside 
 James Jasek to edit, type, proofread, correct, print, collate, address and 
 mail for any number of editors, besides working in a bookbinding company, 
 this information really matters. Design is completely individual as to the 
 editor of any magazine, but critical publication data is not, and is one of 
 those things - like proper page numbers for the articles within - that should 
 be carried forward from issue to issue for proper continuity.

 Sincerely, and with the best of nerdy, proofreading intentions,

 Mimi Jasek
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[Texascavers] Texas Caver volume and issue numbers :

[Jerry via Texascavers]

Posted for Mimi Jasek:

To All Current and Future Editors and Proofreaders of the Texas Caver:


We really do have one of the finest caving magazines in the United States, but 
I would like to try to make you aware of something that needs to be put back on 
the Contents Page to make it complete, and to correct an error that is being 
perpetuated. In the past this information has been either there or on the 
combined Publication Data/Contents Page. There is plenty of room to add a text 
box above the word Contents with this information, or if it belongs on the 
Publication Data page, put it there. I would suggest checking with Logan McNatt 
as to correct placement.


The Texas Caver
January - March, 2015
Volume 61, Issue 1


I put this in the format that would be for the first issue of 2015.  In many 
past issues, also, rather than Vol and Issue being put on the cover, it was 
simply the months involved.


Correction that needs to be fixed:  The Volume number is for a whole year!  DO 
NOT increase this number with the isssue number increasement!  Please see the 
wonderful spread sheet provided by Jerry Atkinson in his 11/13/14 post about 
the Texas Caver Publication List. If you have never worked on a magazine 
before, and have never paid attention to this, then this mistake can be 
understandable. But if we are still sending out issues to libraries and other 
important cave owner entities, this information matters. For all who may still 
get their hard copies bound into yearly volumes, this also matters.  In 2014, 
the TC went from Vol 60 all the way to Vol 63, yet the whole year is Volume 60.


To many who see this post, this request will seem frivolous and totally 
unimportant. But as someone who worked on the TC for untold years alongside 
James Jasek to edit, type, proofread, correct, print, collate, address and mail 
for any number of editors, besides working in a bookbinding company, this 
information really matters. Design is completely individual as to the editor of 
any magazine, but critical publication data is not, and is one of those things 
- like proper page numbers for the articles within - that should be carried 
forward from issue to issue for proper continuity.


Sincerely, and with the best of nerdy, proofreading intentions,


Mimi Jasek
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver volume and issue numbers :

[Jim Kennedy via Texascavers]

Amen, sister!

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone

 On Feb 1, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Jerry via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Posted for Mimi Jasek:
  
 To All Current and Future Editors and Proofreaders of the Texas Caver:
 
 We really do have one of the finest caving magazines in the United States, 
 but I would like to try to make you aware of something that needs to be put 
 back on the Contents Page to make it complete, and to correct an error that 
 is being perpetuated. In the past this information has been either there or 
 on the combined Publication Data/Contents Page. There is plenty of room to 
 add a text box above the word Contents with this information, or if it 
 belongs on the Publication Data page, put it there. I would suggest checking 
 with Logan McNatt as to correct placement.
 
 The Texas Caver
 January - March, 2015
 Volume 61, Issue 1
 
 I put this in the format that would be for the first issue of 2015.  In many 
 past issues, also, rather than Vol and Issue being put on the cover, it was 
 simply the months involved.
 
 Correction that needs to be fixed:  The Volume number is for a whole year!  
 DO NOT increase this number with the isssue number increasement!  Please see 
 the wonderful spread sheet provided by Jerry Atkinson in his 11/13/14 post 
 about the Texas Caver Publication List. If you have never worked on a 
 magazine before, and have never paid attention to this, then this mistake can 
 be understandable. But if we are still sending out issues to libraries and 
 other important cave owner entities, this information matters. For all who 
 may still get their hard copies bound into yearly volumes, this also matters. 
  In 2014, the TC went from Vol 60 all the way to Vol 63, yet the whole year 
 is Volume 60.
 
 To many who see this post, this request will seem frivolous and totally 
 unimportant. But as someone who worked on the TC for untold years alongside 
 James Jasek to edit, type, proofread, correct, print, collate, address and 
 mail for any number of editors, besides working in a bookbinding company, 
 this information really matters. Design is completely individual as to the 
 editor of any magazine, but critical publication data is not, and is one of 
 those things - like proper page numbers for the articles within - that should 
 be carried forward from issue to issue for proper continuity.
 
 Sincerely, and with the best of nerdy, proofreading intentions,
 
 Mimi Jasek
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Eileen Egan via Texascavers]

Beautiful job - hope you are doing well and I look forward to seeing you upon 
your return.  I am thinking you will be coming back to San Antonio?





 
 
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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 23:45:34 +0100
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Caver
From: texascavers@texascavers.com

The On-line and E-pub versions of the Texas Caver are up!  jill orr 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers]

Ron, it's a consolation for you being special :)

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Ron Ralph via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

   And I received two copies for some reason.
 Ron

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 *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2015 9:43 AM
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 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2015, at 11:26 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

  I mailed them both at the same time. I even had them put right next to
 each other in the stack. They both went out on Saturday morning.

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Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2015, at 11:26 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 I mailed them both at the same time. I even had them put right next to each 
 other in the stack. They both went out on Saturday morning. 
 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 22, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Katherine Arens via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 heather, is there some reason william got his copy and I didn’t get mine? We 
 both renewed at the same time . . . 
 k
 On Jan 20, 2015, at 5:12 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 And mailed copies went out Saturday morning!
 
 On 20 January 2015 at 16:45, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 The On-line and E-pub versions of the Texas Caver are up!
 
  
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Ron Ralph via Texascavers]

And I received two copies for some reason.
Ron

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Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2015, at 11:26 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:


  I mailed them both at the same time. I even had them put right next to each 
other in the stack. They both went out on Saturday morning. 

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jan 22, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Katherine Arens via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:


heather, is there some reason william got his copy and I didn’t get mine? 
We both renewed at the same time . . .  
k

On Jan 20, 2015, at 5:12 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:


  And mailed copies went out Saturday morning!


  On 20 January 2015 at 16:45, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

The On-line and E-pub versions of the Texas Caver are up!



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[Katherine Arens via Texascavers]

heather, is there some reason william got his copy and I didn’t get mine? We 
both renewed at the same time . . .
k
On Jan 20, 2015, at 5:12 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

And mailed copies went out Saturday morning!

On 20 January 2015 at 16:45, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
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The On-line and E-pub versions of the Texas Caver are up!

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[Heather Tucek via Texascavers]

I mailed them both at the same time. I even had them put right next to each 
other in the stack. They both went out on Saturday morning. 




Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Katherine Arens via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 heather, is there some reason william got his copy and I didn’t get mine? We 
 both renewed at the same time . . . 
 k
 On Jan 20, 2015, at 5:12 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 And mailed copies went out Saturday morning!
 
 On 20 January 2015 at 16:45, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 The On-line and E-pub versions of the Texas Caver are up!
 
  
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Heather Tucek via Texascavers]

And mailed copies went out Saturday morning!

On 20 January 2015 at 16:45, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
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 The On-line and E-pub versions of the Texas Caver are up!



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[Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

The On-line and E-pub versions of the Texas Caver are up!

 

 

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Thanks, All!!!


Jacqui Thomas
jlrtho...@verizon.net


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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers]

Great articles and editing. Loved the read. Thanks!

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
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[Texascavers] Texas Caver on Portal fixed

[George Veni via Texascavers]

Last week there were messages about some problems with the Texas Cavers on the 
Karst Information Portal. The problems have been fixed and the missing issue is 
no longer missing. My thanks to Mark Alman, Mark Minton, and Bill Mixon for 
their assistance.

As I've noted before, if any of you find problems with the Portal or have 
better quality versions of the material that is posted (especially hard copies 
that can be sent to the Portal team for scanning), please let me know. This is 
for any material, not just The Texas Caver. Of course if you have newsletters 
and other materials that are not yet on the Portal, it would be great to see 
them posted so just let me know and I'll work with you to make it possible. 
Don't underestimate the long-term value of the trip reports, maps, and notes in 
your newsletters!

George


George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Holly Weinstock via Texascavers]

Jill,
I don't know if you're the person to ask, but I subscribed to the Texas Caver 
online and I don't know how to pull it up. Can u help me with that?
Thanks,
Holly Weinstock

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 18, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Thank you George, I’ll update the online version with the corrections.
  
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 jill orr
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 From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
 George Veni via Texascavers
 Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 20:08
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: [Texascavers] Honey Creek Cave lead list
  
 I just looked through the digital version of the latest Texas Caver. My lead 
 list for Honey Creek Cave fills the last few pages. However, I noticed a 
 mistake. A note was added to contact me with any new information but it lists 
 my old e-mail address (which hasn’t worked since I moved from San Antonio 
 nearly 8 years ago) and a 505 area code for my home phone in Carlsbad (which 
 a few years ago changed to 575 for the southern half of New Mexico).
  
 In short, if you have any updates for the lead list or any questions about 
 the specific leads, let me know. My correct e-mail address and other contact 
 information are below. Notice that my mobile number is still a San Antonio 
 area code.
  
 George
  
 
 George Veni, Ph.D.
 Executive Director
 National Cave and Karst Research Institute
 400-1 Cascades Avenue
 Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
 Office: 575-887-5517
 Mobile: 210-863-5919
 Fax: 575-887-5523
 gv...@nckri.org
 www.nckri.org
  
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Denise P via Texascavers]

Chris - Thanks for a great TCR t-shirt this year. Great design and color!

Cheers,
Denise

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:42:47 -0500
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue
From: texascavers@texascavers.com

Obviously, I thought I was sending that last message directly to Jill  not the 
whole list. Apologies.



On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Chris Vreeland via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

Hi Jill,I seem to have a vague recollection of seeing an email a while 
back about a lit of people with address failures for the print edition of the 
Caver,  that perhaps my name was on it. I meant to respond at the time, but 
have since lost track of that email.
Anyway, can you check  see if I'm still on the mailing list for the dead-tree 
caver?
Correct address info is:Chris Veeland1522 W 32nd StAustin, TX 78703
Thanks so much,Chris
On Oct 9, 2014, at 5:2423 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:The Texas Caver online issue is up. And now 
there is also an eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA webmaster 
own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten around to downloading a digital book 
ap, I’m depending on readers with the capability for feedback.Thanks! 
image003.pngjill orr210.399.6762jillorr.businesscatalyst.com 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Chris Vreeland via Texascavers]

Hi Jill,
I seem to have a vague recollection of seeing an email a while back 
about a lit of people with address failures for the print edition of the Caver, 
 that perhaps my name was on it. I meant to respond at the time, but have 
since lost track of that email.

Anyway, can you check  see if I'm still on the mailing list for the dead-tree 
caver?

Correct address info is:
Chris Veeland
1522 W 32nd St
Austin, TX 78703

Thanks so much,
Chris

On Oct 9, 2014, at 5:2423 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 The Texas Caver online issue is up.
  
 And now there is also an eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA 
 webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten around to downloading a 
 digital book ap, I’m depending on readers with the capability for feedback.
 Thanks!
  
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Chris Vreeland via Texascavers]

Obviously, I thought I was sending that last message directly to Jill  not the 
whole list. Apologies.



 On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Chris Vreeland via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Hi Jill,
   I seem to have a vague recollection of seeing an email a while back 
 about a lit of people with address failures for the print edition of the 
 Caver,  that perhaps my name was on it. I meant to respond at the time, but 
 have since lost track of that email.
 
 Anyway, can you check  see if I'm still on the mailing list for the 
 dead-tree caver?
 
 Correct address info is:
 Chris Veeland
 1522 W 32nd St
 Austin, TX 78703
 
 Thanks so much,
 Chris
 
 On Oct 9, 2014, at 5:2423 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 The Texas Caver online issue is up.
  
 And now there is also an eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA 
 webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten around to downloading a 
 digital book ap, I’m depending on readers with the capability for feedback.
 Thanks!
  
 image003.png
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 210.399.6762
 jillorr.businesscatalyst.com
  
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Heather Tucek via Texascavers]

Mimi,

I got the box of printed copies on Thursday afternoon while I was on my way
out to TCR. I had the box with me there, and passed a few out where I
could, but the rest will be sent in the mail tomorrow after I get off of
work.

-Heather


On 10 October 2014 08:47, mark gee via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:


 Believe it when I see it, Im giving up.
 
 On Thu, 10/9/14, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 wrote:

  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue
  To: texascavers@texascavers.com texascavers@texascavers.com
  Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014, 9:33 PM

  That's
  only during Spring Convention.  Sorry, Fritz.

  Mobile email from my
  iPhone
  On Oct 9,
  2014, at 9:16 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 
  wrote:

  Jim,Is there
  actually going to be an auction at TCR this year such as is
  held at the convention?Fritz holtfritz...@gmail.com
  Sent from my iPhone
  On Oct 9, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Jim Kennedy via
  Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
  wrote:

  Not
  polite to ask him about his dental problems.

  Mobile email from my
  iPhone
  On Oct 9, 2014, at 6:14
  PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
  wrote:



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  How did the cave trip go. I saw your pictures on
  facebook but we need a short trip repot.



  Also, how is the plaque coming along.



  Geary






  Sent from Surface Pro





  From: Texas
   Cavers

  Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎October‎ ‎9‎, ‎2014
  ‎5‎:‎24‎ ‎PM

  To: Texas
  Cavers






  The Texas Caver online
  issue is up.

  And now there is also an
  eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA
  webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten
  around to downloading a digital book ap, I’m depending on
  readers
   with the capability for feedback.
  Thanks!

  image003.png

  jill orr
  210.399.6762
  jillorr.businesscatalyst.com






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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[mark gee via Texascavers]

Believe it when I see it, Im giving up.

On Thu, 10/9/14, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com texascavers@texascavers.com
 Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014, 9:33 PM
 
 That's
 only during Spring Convention.  Sorry, Fritz. 
 
 Mobile email from my
 iPhone
 On Oct 9,
 2014, at 9:16 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 wrote:
 
 Jim,Is there
 actually going to be an auction at TCR this year such as is
 held at the convention?Fritz holtfritz...@gmail.com
 Sent from my iPhone
 On Oct 9, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Jim Kennedy via
 Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 wrote:
 
 Not
 polite to ask him about his dental problems. 
 
 Mobile email from my
 iPhone
 On Oct 9, 2014, at 6:14
 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 wrote:
 
 
 
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 #yiv8279410482 
 Jill
 
 
 
 How did the cave trip go. I saw your pictures on
 facebook but we need a short trip repot.
 
 
 
 Also, how is the plaque coming along.
 
 
 
 Geary
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Sent from Surface Pro
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Texas
  Cavers
 
 Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎October‎ ‎9‎, ‎2014
 ‎5‎:‎24‎ ‎PM
 
 To: Texas
 Cavers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 The Texas Caver online
 issue is up.
  
 And now there is also an
 eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA
 webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten
 around to downloading a digital book ap, I’m depending on
 readers
  with the capability for feedback. 
 Thanks!
  
 image003.png
 
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 210.399.6762
 jillorr.businesscatalyst.com
  
 
 
 
 
 
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[Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

The Texas Caver online issue is up.

 

And now there is also an eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA
webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven't gotten around to downloading a
digital book ap, I'm depending on readers with the capability for feedback. 

Thanks!

 

 

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Jill

How did the cave trip go. I saw your pictures on facebook but we need a short 
trip repot.

Also, how is the plaque coming along.

Geary

Sent from Surface Pro

From: Texas Caversmailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎October‎ ‎9‎, ‎2014 ‎5‎:‎24‎ ‎PM
To: Texas Caversmailto:texascavers@texascavers.com

The Texas Caver online issue is up.

And now there is also an eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA 
webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten around to downloading a 
digital book ap, I’m depending on readers with the capability for feedback.
Thanks!

[cid:image003.png@01CFE420.8A4492F0]
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Jim Kennedy via Texascavers]

Not polite to ask him about his dental problems. 

Mobile email from my iPhone

 On Oct 9, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Jill
 
 How did the cave trip go. I saw your pictures on facebook but we need a short 
 trip repot.
 
 Also, how is the plaque coming along.
 
 Geary
 
 Sent from Surface Pro
 
 From: Texas Cavers
 Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎October‎ ‎9‎, ‎2014 ‎5‎:‎24‎ ‎PM
 To: Texas Cavers
 
 The Texas Caver online issue is up.
  
 And now there is also an eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA 
 webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten around to downloading a 
 digital book ap, I’m depending on readers with the capability for feedback.
 Thanks!
  
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Mimi Jasek via Texascavers]

When will the hard copy be mailed to those who get that?

Mimi
mjca...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 9, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 The Texas Caver online issue is up.
  
 And now there is also an eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA 
 webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten around to downloading a 
 digital book ap, I’m depending on readers with the capability for feedback.
 Thanks!
  
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Fritz Holt via Texascavers]

Jim,
Is there actually going to be an auction at TCR this year such as is held at 
the convention?
Fritz Holt
fritz...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 9, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Not polite to ask him about his dental problems. 
 
 Mobile email from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 9, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Jill
 
 How did the cave trip go. I saw your pictures on facebook but we need a 
 short trip repot.
 
 Also, how is the plaque coming along.
 
 Geary
 
 Sent from Surface Pro
 
 From: Texas Cavers
 Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎October‎ ‎9‎, ‎2014 ‎5‎:‎24‎ ‎PM
 To: Texas Cavers
 
 The Texas Caver online issue is up.
  
 And now there is also an eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA 
 webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten around to downloading a 
 digital book ap, I’m depending on readers with the capability for feedback.
 Thanks!
  
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers]

You don't need a tablet to get the ebook. You can get ebook readers on your
PC.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 The Texas Caver online issue is up.



 And now there is also an eBook  version!  However since neither I or the
 TSA webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten around to
 downloading a digital book ap, I’m depending on readers with the capability
 for feedback.

 Thanks!



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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Jim Kennedy via Texascavers]

That's only during Spring Convention.  Sorry, Fritz. 

Mobile email from my iPhone

 On Oct 9, 2014, at 9:16 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Jim,
 Is there actually going to be an auction at TCR this year such as is held at 
 the convention?
 Fritz Holt
 fritz...@gmail.com
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 9, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Not polite to ask him about his dental problems. 
 
 Mobile email from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 9, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Jill
 
 How did the cave trip go. I saw your pictures on facebook but we need a 
 short trip repot.
 
 Also, how is the plaque coming along.
 
 Geary
 
 Sent from Surface Pro
 
 From: Texas Cavers
 Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎October‎ ‎9‎, ‎2014 ‎5‎:‎24‎ ‎PM
 To: Texas Cavers
 
 The Texas Caver online issue is up.
  
 And now there is also an eBook  version!  However since neither I or the 
 TSA webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten around to 
 downloading a digital book ap, I’m depending on readers with the capability 
 for feedback.
 Thanks!
  
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 210.399.6762
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

[Butch Fralia (CAVEDBA) via Texascavers]

I added a link to a reader but when you download the volume, you have to save 
as:  and add epub as the extension.  I.E. wants to download it as a zip file.   
It may take a little while to work out this technical advancement.  The PDF 
version will work on most any PC, Phone, MAC or?

 

Butch Fralia

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Fort Worth, TX 76133-2230

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(Cell) 817 229-7693

 

 

 

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Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:32 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver issue

 

You don't need a tablet to get the ebook. You can get ebook readers on your PC.

 

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

The Texas Caver online issue is up.

 

And now there is also an eBook  version!  However since neither I or the TSA 
webmaster own a Nook or tablet, and I haven’t gotten around to downloading a 
digital book ap, I’m depending on readers with the capability for feedback. 

Thanks!

 



jill orr 

210.399.6762

 http://jillorr.businesscatalyst.com/ jillorr.businesscatalyst.com

 


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[Texascavers] Texas Caver article reminder!

[Mallory via Texascavers]

Happy Wednesday everyone! 

This is just a reminder to everyone that articles for the next edition of the 
Texas Caver are due this Friday, August the 15th! Please get your articles in 
to Jill or myself by then in order to see yourself in print and preserve the 
awesomeness that is your caving trip by making in part of documented Texas 
Caving History!

Mallory Mayeux
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver article reminder!

[Chris Vreeland via Texascavers]

I have a govt canyon trip report finished, with photos. I need to give the 
photos a look-over tonight, but if you haven't seen it by tomorrow night, bug 
me because it's essentially done.

 On Aug 13, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Mallory via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Happy Wednesday everyone! 
 
 This is just a reminder to everyone that articles for the next edition of the 
 Texas Caver are due this Friday, August the 15th! Please get your articles in 
 to Jill or myself by then in order to see yourself in print and preserve the 
 awesomeness that is your caving trip by making in part of documented Texas 
 Caving History!
 
 Mallory Mayeux
 Assistant article gatherer
 mmay...@gmail.com
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver article reminder!

[Jill Orr via Texascavers]

Hi Chris, please send the article off line to my email at jill...@swbell.net
Thanks!
 
jill orr 
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Chris Vreeland via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 23:54
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver article reminder!

I have a govt canyon trip report finished, with photos. I need to give the 
photos a look-over tonight, but if you haven't seen it by tomorrow night, bug 
me because it's essentially done.

 On Aug 13, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Mallory via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 
 Happy Wednesday everyone! 
 
 This is just a reminder to everyone that articles for the next edition of the 
 Texas Caver are due this Friday, August the 15th! Please get your articles in 
 to Jill or myself by then in order to see yourself in print and preserve the 
 awesomeness that is your caving trip by making in part of documented Texas 
 Caving History!
 
 Mallory Mayeux
 Assistant article gatherer
 mmay...@gmail.com
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[via Texascavers]

I agree with you, Marvin.

On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to the same 
thing in order to get it published.

No harm in that.

Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?)  and, since 
attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos to go along 
with their offerings to further flesh out their report.

“Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.

One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.


A report is a report.


My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the TSA 
doing, as in membership numbers and trends.

Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How does 
the TSA look?


Mark


From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Marvin Miller via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
To: Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good discussion - 
the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of the NSS News is in 
Buford Pruitt's Underground Online column. Buford's method - as I understand 
it - is trolling the chatter on various blogs, email lists, etc. across the 
nation and compiling the interesting bits in his column. That is how a Colorado 
Bend trip report, a Government Canyon trip report, and a report on the latest 
Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They were not sent to the News as an 
article to be published but were instead picked up by Buford off of this very 
email listserve. That's great. Cavers across the nation and the world need to 
see that Texas cavers go caving and do interesting things.

I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for 
Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective projects in a 
bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures and maps and submit an 
article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great thing. If the editors of the 
Texas Caver want to pull things of the email list and publish it, more power to 
them. I'll continue to support the magazine and the TSS and news about caving 
in Texas wherever it appears.
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Bill Bentley via Texascavers]

Mark, The Texascavers and all my mailing lists do allow attachments,
We are finally getting into the 1990's technology...
:)
Bill

On 7/31/2014 6:23 AM, via Texascavers wrote:


I agree with you, Marvin.

On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to 
the same thing in order to get it published.


No harm in that.

Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?) and, 
since attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos 
to go along with their offerings to further flesh out their report.


“Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.

One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.

A report is a report.

My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is 
the TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.


Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. 
How does the TSA look?


Mark

*From:*Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Marvin Miller via Texascavers

*Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
*To:* Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com
*Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good 
discussion - the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of 
the NSS News is in Buford Pruitt's Underground Online column. 
Buford's method - as I understand it - is trolling the chatter on 
various blogs, email lists, etc. across the nation and compiling the 
interesting bits in his column. That is how a Colorado Bend trip 
report, a Government Canyon trip report, and a report on the latest 
Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They were not sent to the 
News as an article to be published but were instead picked up by 
Buford off of this very email listserve. That's great. Cavers across 
the nation and the world need to see that Texas cavers go caving and 
do interesting things.


I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for 
Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective 
projects in a bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures 
and maps and submit an article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great 
thing. If the editors of the Texas Caver want to pull things of the 
email list and publish it, more power to them. I'll continue to 
support the magazine and the TSS and news about caving in Texas 
wherever it appears.




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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Charles Goldsmith]

Yeah, we are both allowing larger attachments now, as long as it's not
abused.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 5:51 AM, Bill Bentley via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

  Mark, The Texascavers and all my mailing lists do allow attachments,
 We are finally getting into the 1990's technology...
 :)
 Bill


 On 7/31/2014 6:23 AM, via Texascavers wrote:

  I agree with you, Marvin.



 On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to the
 same thing in order to get it published.



 No harm in that.



 Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?)  and, since
 attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos to go along
 with their offerings to further flesh out their report.



 “Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.



 One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.





 A report is a report.





 My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the
 TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.



 Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How
 does the TSA look?





 Mark





 *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
 texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On Behalf Of *Marvin Miller via
 Texascavers
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
 *To:* Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver



 For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good
 discussion - the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of the NSS
 News is in Buford Pruitt's Underground Online column. Buford's method -
 as I understand it - is trolling the chatter on various blogs, email lists,
 etc. across the nation and compiling the interesting bits in his column.
 That is how a Colorado Bend trip report, a Government Canyon trip report,
 and a report on the latest Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They
 were not sent to the News as an article to be published but were instead
 picked up by Buford off of this very email listserve. That's great. Cavers
 across the nation and the world need to see that Texas cavers go caving and
 do interesting things.



 I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for
 Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective projects in
 a bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures and maps and
 submit an article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great thing. If the
 editors of the Texas Caver want to pull things of the email list and
 publish it, more power to them. I'll continue to support the magazine and
 the TSS and news about caving in Texas wherever it appears.


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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Charles Goldsmith]

As a comparison, the mailing list has 481 members.  We do have a lot of out
of state members on the mailing list.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Mark, the TSA has 180 current members.


 On 31 July 2014 06:23, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:

  I agree with you, Marvin.



 On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to
 the same thing in order to get it published.



 No harm in that.



 Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?)  and, since
 attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos to go along
 with their offerings to further flesh out their report.



 “Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.



 One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.





 A report is a report.





 My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the
 TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.



 Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How
 does the TSA look?





 Mark





 *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Marvin Miller via Texascavers
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
 *To:* Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com

 *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver



 For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good
 discussion - the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of the NSS
 News is in Buford Pruitt's Underground Online column. Buford's method -
 as I understand it - is trolling the chatter on various blogs, email lists,
 etc. across the nation and compiling the interesting bits in his column.
 That is how a Colorado Bend trip report, a Government Canyon trip report,
 and a report on the latest Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They
 were not sent to the News as an article to be published but were instead
 picked up by Buford off of this very email listserve. That's great. Cavers
 across the nation and the world need to see that Texas cavers go caving and
 do interesting things.



 I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for
 Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective projects in
 a bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures and maps and
 submit an article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great thing. If the
 editors of the Texas Caver want to pull things of the email list and
 publish it, more power to them. I'll continue to support the magazine and
 the TSS and news about caving in Texas wherever it appears.




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 *Go find out!*
 -Heather Tuček
 UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
 TSA Secretary  Membership Chair
 NSS 59660
 (512) 773-1348
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Joe Ranzau via Texascavers]

Ediger gives a nice talk about why the TSA really should or does encompass
all people in Texas that like caves, not just the ones that pony up
membership dues.  Perhaps he will post it here for our review...


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 As a comparison, the mailing list has 481 members.  We do have a lot of
 out of state members on the mailing list.


 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Mark, the TSA has 180 current members.


 On 31 July 2014 06:23, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:

  I agree with you, Marvin.



 On occasion, when the picking were slim for the TC, I had to resort to
 the same thing in order to get it published.



 No harm in that.



 Not everyone has access to these listserves (is that a word?)  and,
 since attachments aren’t allowed, I would ping the writers for photos to go
 along with their offerings to further flesh out their report.



 “Put a little meat on their bones”, in other words.



 One’s gotta do what one’s gotta do when the pickings are a little slim.





 A report is a report.





 My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is
 the TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.



 Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How
 does the TSA look?





 Mark





 *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Marvin Miller via Texascavers
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19 PM
 *To:* Heather Tucek; texascavers@texascavers.com

 *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver



 For the record - and I'm not mad at anyone; I think this is a good
 discussion - the Texas caving news appearing in the latest issue of the NSS
 News is in Buford Pruitt's Underground Online column. Buford's method -
 as I understand it - is trolling the chatter on various blogs, email lists,
 etc. across the nation and compiling the interesting bits in his column.
 That is how a Colorado Bend trip report, a Government Canyon trip report,
 and a report on the latest Deep Cave trip ended up in the NSS News. They
 were not sent to the News as an article to be published but were instead
 picked up by Buford off of this very email listserve. That's great. Cavers
 across the nation and the world need to see that Texas cavers go caving and
 do interesting things.



 I know that occasionally the three people who wrote those reports for
 Texascavers.com also compile the happenings in their respective projects in
 a bit more of a readable and concise fashion with pictures and maps and
 submit an article to the Texas Caver. That's also a great thing. If the
 editors of the Texas Caver want to pull things of the email list and
 publish it, more power to them. I'll continue to support the magazine and
 the TSS and news about caving in Texas wherever it appears.




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 *Go find out!*
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 UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
 TSA Secretary  Membership Chair
 NSS 59660
 (512) 773-1348
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RE: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Mark.Alman]

Thanks, Heather and Charles, for the info and for all of your hard work for the 
caving community, of which you are paid so handsomely!  ☺

Oh, and since we’re talking numbers and since I’m one of the Administrators for 
the TSA Facebook page, it has 682 members (!), FWIW.


Mark



From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:16 AM
To: Heather Tucek; Cavetex
Cc: Alman, Mark @ ESG - WSS - IRP
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

As a comparison, the mailing list has 481 members.  We do have a lot of out of 
state members on the mailing list.

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:


Mark, the TSA has 180 current members.


On 31 July 2014 06:23, mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com 
wrote:

My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the TSA 
doing, as in membership numbers and trends.

Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How does 
the TSA look?


Mark

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Charles Goldsmith]

That's a very interesting statistic.  I've always been anti-facebook, but
not because of the concept, but how the company is running it.

It will be an interesting next 5 years to see how things trend.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:48 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:

  Thanks, Heather and Charles, for the info and for all of your hard work
 for the caving community, of which you are paid so handsomely!  J



 Oh, and since we’re talking numbers and since I’m one of the
 Administrators for the TSA Facebook page, it has 682 members (!), FWIW.





 Mark







 *From:* Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
 *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:16 AM
 *To:* Heather Tucek; Cavetex
 *Cc:* Alman, Mark @ ESG - WSS - IRP

 *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver



 As a comparison, the mailing list has 481 members.  We do have a lot of
 out of state members on the mailing list.



 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:





 Mark, the TSA has 180 current members.





 On 31 July 2014 06:23, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:



 My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the
 TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.



 Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How
 does the TSA look?





 Mark

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Heather Tucek via Texascavers]

And the TSA website has a whopping 66!


On 31 July 2014 10:48, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:

  Thanks, Heather and Charles, for the info and for all of your hard work
 for the caving community, of which you are paid so handsomely!  J



 Oh, and since we’re talking numbers and since I’m one of the
 Administrators for the TSA Facebook page, it has 682 members (!), FWIW.





 Mark







 *From:* Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
 *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:16 AM
 *To:* Heather Tucek; Cavetex
 *Cc:* Alman, Mark @ ESG - WSS - IRP

 *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver



 As a comparison, the mailing list has 481 members.  We do have a lot of
 out of state members on the mailing list.



 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:





 Mark, the TSA has 180 current members.





 On 31 July 2014 06:23, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:



 My main query yesterday was not just how the TC was doing, but how is the
 TSA doing, as in membership numbers and trends.



 Organized clubs are struggling, including many grottos and the NSS. How
 does the TSA look?





 Mark








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UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
TSA Secretary  Membership Chair
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
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[Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Heather Tucek via Texascavers]

As per request from a caver unnamed, I'm posting this here too. You know,
just in case I haven't already royally pissed you off yet. But you know
what? Worth it.



The Texas Caver has just been sent off to the printer. This is the May
issue of the Texas Caver. Why is it almost August and the May issue is only
finally being printed? Why, it's because no Texas Cavers actually send in
trip reports to be published! We can't make a newsletter/magazine if
there's nothing to put in it.

I know LOTS of you have gone on a number of Texas caving trips in the past
couple of months. I know LOTS of you went on plenty of AMAZING TAG trips
this month. Why is no one sending in articles? Jill spends an exorbitant
amount of her personal volunteer time making the layout, editing, adding
photos, etc. All the things needed to make the Texas Caver a great
publication. We won one award at the Publication Salon at the NSS
Convention. ONE. How many did other organizations win? You know why?
Because they actually have stuff to publish

There's an article about Texas Caving in the most recent NSS News. Why? Why
isn't that article in the Texas Caver? Just because it goes in the national
magazine doesn't mean it can't also go in the local magazine. If you're
going to put one together for NSS, go ahead and copy Jill on your email!
(I've seen this a number of times, not just this month).

Bottom line is, if you want to see your Texas Caver magazine in the mail
anymore, you need to man up, be a part of the answer instead of the
problem, and start sending in your trip reports and photos. If you don't
want to publish something because you think you can't write, have someone
copyedit it for you first. I'll be happy to go through and fix spelling and
grammatical errors, as long as you SEND SOMETHING IN!!




TL;DR
Start sending articles and photos to the Texas Caver or I will camp on your
front doorstep until you write something down. I know who you are.

/end rant


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UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
TSA Secretary  Membership Chair
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 As per request from a caver unnamed, I'm posting this here too. You know,
 just in case I haven't already royally pissed you off yet. But you know
 what? Worth it.



 The Texas Caver has just been sent off to the printer. This is the May
 issue of the Texas Caver. Why is it almost August and the May issue is only
 finally being printed? Why, it's because no Texas Cavers actually send in
 trip reports to be published! We can't make a newsletter/magazine if
 there's nothing to put in it.

 I know LOTS of you have gone on a number of Texas caving trips in the past
 couple of months. I know LOTS of you went on plenty of AMAZING TAG trips
 this month. Why is no one sending in articles? Jill spends an exorbitant
 amount of her personal volunteer time making the layout, editing, adding
 photos, etc. All the things needed to make the Texas Caver a great
 publication. We won one award at the Publication Salon at the NSS
 Convention. ONE. How many did other organizations win? You know why?
 Because they actually have stuff to publish

 There's an article about Texas Caving in the most recent NSS News. Why?
 Why isn't that article in the Texas Caver? Just because it goes in the
 national magazine doesn't mean it can't also go in the local magazine. If
 you're going to put one together for NSS, go ahead and copy Jill on your
 email! (I've seen this a number of times, not just this month).

 Bottom line is, if you want to see your Texas Caver magazine in the mail
 anymore, you need to man up, be a part of the answer instead of the
 problem, and start sending in your trip reports and photos. If you don't
 want to publish something because you think you can't write, have someone
 copyedit it for you first. I'll be happy to go through and fix spelling and
 grammatical errors, as long as you SEND SOMETHING IN!!




 TL;DR
 Start sending articles and photos to the Texas Caver or I will camp on
 your front doorstep until you write something down. I know who you are.

 /end rant


 --
 *Go find out!*
 -Heather Tuček
 UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
 TSA Secretary  Membership Chair
 NSS 59660
 (512) 773-1348
 trog...@cavechat.org

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

No, No, Nooo! Save them for the Caver, Mr. Loving, sir, please

Here's an idea--
I saw multiple people do interesting things at NSS Convention and maybe no one 
wants to write a real trip report but multiple brief vignettes by several 
attendees, collected into a glimpses of Convention article could be pretty 
entertaining. I'd write up my favorite fooled me moment. 

Any takers?

Jacqui

On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers wrote:

 
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 As per request from a caver unnamed, I'm posting this here too. You know, 
 just in case I haven't already royally pissed you off yet. But you know what? 
 Worth it.
 
 
 
 The Texas Caver has just been sent off to the printer. This is the May issue 
 of the Texas Caver. Why is it almost August and the May issue is only finally 
 being printed? Why, it's because no Texas Cavers actually  send in trip 
 reports to be published! We can't make a newsletter/magazine if there's 
 nothing to put in it.
 
 I know LOTS of you have gone on a number of Texas caving trips in the past 
 couple of months. I know LOTS of you went on plenty of AMAZING TAG trips this 
 month. Why is no one sending in articles? Jill spends an exorbitant amount of 
 her personal volunteer time making the layout, editing, adding photos, etc. 
 All the things needed to make the Texas Caver a great publication. We won one 
 award at the Publication Salon at the NSS Convention. ONE. How many did other 
 organizations win? You know why? Because they actually have stuff to 
 publish
 
 There's an article about Texas Caving in the most recent NSS News. Why? Why 
 isn't that article in the Texas Caver? Just because it goes in the national 
 magazine doesn't mean it can't also go in the local magazine. If you're going 
 to put one together for NSS, go ahead and copy Jill on your email! (I've seen 
 this a number of times, not just this month).
 
 Bottom line is, if you want to see your Texas Caver magazine in the mail 
 anymore, you need to man up, be a part of the answer instead of the problem, 
 and start sending in your trip reports and photos. If you don't want to 
 publish something because you think you can't write, have someone copyedit it 
 for you first. I'll be happy to go through and fix spelling and grammatical 
 errors, as long as you SEND SOMETHING IN!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 TL;DR
 Start sending articles and photos to the Texas Caver or I will camp on your 
 front doorstep until you write something down. I know who you are.
 
 /end rant
 
 
 
 -- 
 Go find out!
 -Heather Tuček
 UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
 TSA Secretary  Membership Chair
 NSS 59660
 (512) 773-1348
 trog...@cavechat.org
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver cover gets NSS Merit Awardi

[Jill Orr]

Thanks Mark!
However, don’t forget the photographer  Chris Lafferty, nor the model, Mallory 
Mayeaux!


-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
mark.al...@l-3com.com
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 20:18
To: speleoste...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver cover gets NSS Merit Awardi

Way to go, Jill!



Mark



-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Bill Steele
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 1:16 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Caver cover gets NSS Merit Awardi

At the NSS convention the 2013, Vol. 59, Issue 3 of the Texas Caver won a blue 
ribbon in the Cover Arts Salon.

Congratulations, Jill Orr! 

Bill Steele 

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[Texascavers] Texas Caver Announcement

[Jill Orr]

Hi Texas Cavers, 

Aside from the other great people who've volunteered to help solicit
articles, Mallory Mayeaux has agreed to be Associate Editor for the Texas
Caver Magazine, and make direct contact for articles on all the great trips
going on. Since for the next few months I can only make general requests,
which have been quite ineffective, I really need the support. 

 

The upcoming issue, which is completed and currently being edited, is
greatly reduced for lack of articles and photos. I really hope to catch up
and have a full sized issue in a reasonable time frame. Many thanks to all
new and regular contributors and apologies to subscribers for the late and
shrunken issue.

 

Jill

 

210.399.6762

 http://jillorr.businesscatalyst.com/ jillorr.businesscatalyst.com

 

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Announcement

[Don Arburn]

Woo! Thanks Jill! Thanks Mallory!! You ladies ROCK!


--Don

 On Jun 20, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Jill Orr jill...@swbell.net wrote:
 
 Hi Texas Cavers,
 Aside from the other great people who’ve volunteered to help solicit 
 articles, Mallory Mayeaux has agreed to be Associate Editor for the Texas 
 Caver Magazine, and make direct contact for articles on all the great trips 
 going on. Since for the next few months I can only make general requests, 
 which have been quite ineffective, I really need the support.
  
 The upcoming issue, which is completed and currently being edited, is greatly 
 reduced for lack of articles and photos. I really hope to catch up and have a 
 full sized issue in a reasonable time frame. Many thanks to all new and 
 regular contributors and apologies to subscribers for the late and shrunken 
 issue.
  
 Jill
 image003.png
 210.399.6762
 jillorr.businesscatalyst.com
  

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Deadline - Monday May 5.

[Lyndon Tiu]

The roof caved?

Jill Orr jill...@swbell.net wrote:

The deadline is fast approaching for the next issue of Texas Caver. Articles
and photos are still needed.

I will be completely out of reach for about two weeks  - so get your
articles in and pressure and harass each other.

 

Unfortunately we didn't get photos of the party at Geary's house Sunday, but
the roof was breached for the first time in Schindel party history! J
Thanks to all who came or sent bon voyage messages. 

 

Jill

RE: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Deadline - Monday May 5.

[Stefan Creaser]

If there are no photos it didn't happen.

From: Lyndon Tiu [lyndon@gmail.com]
Sent: 29 April 2014 21:04
To: Jill Orr
Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Deadline - Monday May 5.

The roof caved?

Jill Orr jill...@swbell.net wrote:

The deadline is fast approaching for the next issue of Texas Caver. Articles 
and photos are still needed.
I will be completely out of reach for about two weeks  - so get your articles 
in and pressure and harass each other.

Unfortunately we didn’t get photos of the party at Geary's house Sunday, but 
the roof was breached for the first time in Schindel party history! ☺  Thanks 
to all who came or sent bon voyage messages.

Jill

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Julia Germany]

Got mine in the mail Friday. Looks great!
 
julia

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jill Orr jill...@swbell.net
To: Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 11:47 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Caver



The December Texas Caver was sheepishly mailed this week.  The printer even 
called to ask if there was a typo 
on the date. :- /.  Good printer, that. Very embarrassed. Have heard of other 
persons being such a procrastinator but I was never one like this before. Sorry 
y'all. Butch has been sent copy for website  - watch for your electronic 
versions. 


Please send articles ASAP for next issue so I can catch up...! Thanks for your 
understanding and patience.
Jill
 

[Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jill Orr]

The December Texas Caver was sheepishly mailed this week.  The printer even
called to ask if there was a typo 
on the date. :- /.  Good printer, that. Very embarrassed. Have heard of
other persons being such a procrastinator but I was never one like this
before. Sorry y'all. Butch has been sent copy for website  - watch for your
electronic versions. 



Please send articles ASAP for next issue so I can catch up...! Thanks for
your understanding and patience.

Jill

 

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver at Convention

[Sheryl Rieck]

That is wonderful! Congrats, Jill!!!

Sheryl

Sent from my iPhone. 

On Aug 26, 2013, at 10:43 PM, Marvin and Lisa mlmil...@gvtc.com wrote:

 The Texas Caver won a merit award at the convention?
  
 Congratulations to Jill.

[Texascavers] Texas Caver at Convention

[Marvin and Lisa]

The Texas Caver won a merit award at the convention?
 
Congratulations to Jill.

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver at Convention

[Bill Steele]

And you became an NSS fellow. Congratulations!

Bill 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2013, at 10:43 PM, Marvin and Lisa mlmil...@gvtc.com wrote:

 The Texas Caver won a merit award at the convention?
  
 Congratulations to Jill.

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver articles

[Mimi Jasek]

Ok, Texas cavers, I know y'all have been going underground and going to a 
convention since the last issue, so let's help Jill out. Preserve and project 
managers, send in a status-trip-project report with pictures if you haven't 
done so in a while. Grottos, if you've been on a great trip, tell us about it! 

Being topside during the convention, we missed all the presentations. Send 
something in - I would love to see an article with pics on that Honey Creek 
trip! What about the TCMA Auction? Results - pics - something? For those who 
couldn't be there or missed parts, fill us in! 

I absolutely know there have to be some caver 
poets/balladeers/storytellers/artists-cartoonists out there! Put that material 
out there for us to enjoy! Don't be shy:)

The Texas Caver is our magazine, but it needs content to become something we 
all can enjoy. Start typing or keyboarding or whatever you call it these days - 
fb and e-mail will be there when you are done. I promise:)

Needing something to proofread!

Mimi 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2013, at 12:00 AM, Jill Orr jill...@swbell.net wrote:

 Hay all, I’m looking for articles for the next issue of Texas Caver !
  

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver articles

[Mimi Jasek]

Ok, Texas cavers, I know y'all have been going underground and going to a 
convention since the last issue, so let's help Jill out. Preserve and project 
managers, send in a status-trip-project report with pictures if you haven't 
done so in a while. Grottos, if you've been on a great trip, tell us about it! 

Being topside during the convention, we missed all the presentations. Send 
something in - I would love to see an article with pics on that Honey Creek 
trip! What about the TCMA Auction? Results - pics - something? For those who 
couldn't be there or missed parts, fill us in! 

I absolutely know there have to be some caver 
poets/balladeers/storytellers/artists-cartoonists out there! Put that material 
out there for us to enjoy! Don't be shy:)

The Texas Caver is our magazine, but it needs content to become something we 
all can enjoy. Start typing or keyboarding or whatever you call it these days - 
fb and e-mail will be there when you are done. I promise:)

Needing something to proofread!

Mimi 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2013, at 12:00 AM, Jill Orr jill...@swbell.net wrote:

 Hay all, I’m looking for articles for the next issue of Texas Caver !
  

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver articles

[Mimi Jasek]

Ok, Texas cavers, I know y'all have been going underground and going to a 
convention since the last issue, so let's help Jill out. Preserve and project 
managers, send in a status-trip-project report with pictures if you haven't 
done so in a while. Grottos, if you've been on a great trip, tell us about it! 

Being topside during the convention, we missed all the presentations. Send 
something in - I would love to see an article with pics on that Honey Creek 
trip! What about the TCMA Auction? Results - pics - something? For those who 
couldn't be there or missed parts, fill us in! 

I absolutely know there have to be some caver 
poets/balladeers/storytellers/artists-cartoonists out there! Put that material 
out there for us to enjoy! Don't be shy:)

The Texas Caver is our magazine, but it needs content to become something we 
all can enjoy. Start typing or keyboarding or whatever you call it these days - 
fb and e-mail will be there when you are done. I promise:)

Needing something to proofread!

Mimi 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2013, at 12:00 AM, Jill Orr jill...@swbell.net wrote:

 Hay all, I’m looking for articles for the next issue of Texas Caver !
  

[Texascavers] Texas Caver articles

[Jill Orr]

Hay all, I'm looking for articles for the next issue of Texas Caver ! 

 

[Texascavers] Texas Caver articles

[Jill Orr]

Hay all, I'm looking for articles for the next issue of Texas Caver ! 

 

[Texascavers] texas caver magazine

[Jill Orr]

So sorry TSA members for such a long delay in getting the print publication
out. 

Many things kept me behind, but ..
The good news is the new issue came from the printer yesterday

The bad news is that they did not label them

The good news is that they will reprint them with labels for free

More good news is that I'll be in Austin and can deliver to many TSA members
at the TCC

Even more good news is that we can save some postage

The Best good news is we get to keep the 100 that they printed without
labels 

 

Thanks for your patience.

 

By the way, I'm looking for photos for next issues cover and  of course
articles. 

Jill

[Texascavers] texas caver magazine

[Jill Orr]

So sorry TSA members for such a long delay in getting the print publication
out. 

Many things kept me behind, but ..
The good news is the new issue came from the printer yesterday

The bad news is that they did not label them

The good news is that they will reprint them with labels for free

More good news is that I'll be in Austin and can deliver to many TSA members
at the TCC

Even more good news is that we can save some postage

The Best good news is we get to keep the 100 that they printed without
labels 

 

Thanks for your patience.

 

By the way, I'm looking for photos for next issues cover and  of course
articles. 

Jill

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Mimi Jasek]

As one of the proof reading staff, I apologize now for any mistakes left in 
this issue. For some reason, my proof issue e-mail did not come in till last 
night, and I am working to get my part done before the issue goes to print. 
Since I sent no corrections in, Jill would have assumed all was well. 
Technology  is great when no glitches arise.

Again, my apologies to all, including all staff of the TC. I take my proof 
reading very seriously, as those who know my past work can attest to.

Sincerely,
Mimi Jasek



Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Jill Orr jill...@swbell.net wrote:

 TSA members:
 The Q4 issue of the Texas Caver is available on line.
 Thanks to all who supported the magazine this issue with Stories, Photos and 
 Proofing.
 If you have photos or stories for the next issue: Don’t Wait! Send them in.
 Happy Caving.
 Jill
  
 http://www.cavetexas.org/members/
  

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Bill Bentley]

I paid at TCR

Your Dues Expired: -00-00.  Please Join/Renew Online

If you believe this is an error, please e-mail: members...@cavetexas.org

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jill Orr 
  To: Texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:10 PM
  Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Caver


  TSA members: 

  The Q4 issue of the Texas Caver is available on line. 

  Thanks to all who supported the magazine this issue with Stories, Photos and 
Proofing. 

  If you have photos or stories for the next issue: Don't Wait! Send them in.

  Happy Caving.

  Jill

   

  http://www.cavetexas.org/members/


   

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Mimi Jasek]

As one of the proof reading staff, I apologize now for any mistakes left in 
this issue. For some reason, my proof issue e-mail did not come in till last 
night, and I am working to get my part done before the issue goes to print. 
Since I sent no corrections in, Jill would have assumed all was well. 
Technology  is great when no glitches arise.

Again, my apologies to all, including all staff of the TC. I take my proof 
reading very seriously, as those who know my past work can attest to.

Sincerely,
Mimi Jasek



Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Jill Orr jill...@swbell.net wrote:

 TSA members:
 The Q4 issue of the Texas Caver is available on line.
 Thanks to all who supported the magazine this issue with Stories, Photos and 
 Proofing.
 If you have photos or stories for the next issue: Don’t Wait! Send them in.
 Happy Caving.
 Jill
  
 http://www.cavetexas.org/members/
  

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Mark Alman]

Very, very nice job on this issue of the TC, Jill!
 
Enjoyed it immensely and Linda's interview with Pete Strickland was highly 
entertaining!
 
For those of you who aren't TSA members, Jill's superb work on the TEXAS CAVER 
is reason enough to join!
 
 
Keep up the great work!
 
 
Mark
 
 
 
 
 



From: Jill Orr jill...@swbell.net
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:10 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Caver


TSA members: 
The Q4 issue of the Texas Caver is available on line. 
Thanks to all who supported the magazine this issue with Stories, Photos and 
Proofing. 
If you have photos or stories for the next issue: Don’t Wait! Send them in.
Happy Caving.
Jill
 
http://www.cavetexas.org/members/txcaver/index.php

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Bill Bentley]

I paid at TCR

Your Dues Expired: -00-00.  Please Join/Renew Online

If you believe this is an error, please e-mail: members...@cavetexas.org

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jill Orr 
  To: Texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:10 PM
  Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Caver


  TSA members: 

  The Q4 issue of the Texas Caver is available on line. 

  Thanks to all who supported the magazine this issue with Stories, Photos and 
Proofing. 

  If you have photos or stories for the next issue: Don't Wait! Send them in.

  Happy Caving.

  Jill

   

  http://www.cavetexas.org/members/


   

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Mimi Jasek]

As one of the proof reading staff, I apologize now for any mistakes left in 
this issue. For some reason, my proof issue e-mail did not come in till last 
night, and I am working to get my part done before the issue goes to print. 
Since I sent no corrections in, Jill would have assumed all was well. 
Technology  is great when no glitches arise.

Again, my apologies to all, including all staff of the TC. I take my proof 
reading very seriously, as those who know my past work can attest to.

Sincerely,
Mimi Jasek



Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Jill Orr jill...@swbell.net wrote:

 TSA members:
 The Q4 issue of the Texas Caver is available on line.
 Thanks to all who supported the magazine this issue with Stories, Photos and 
 Proofing.
 If you have photos or stories for the next issue: Don’t Wait! Send them in.
 Happy Caving.
 Jill
  
 http://www.cavetexas.org/members/