from:"Daniel"

What can I say, sir?  You are... the best.

Can't wait to try it out.

And I take back everything evil I've ever said about JavaScript (as an 
unrepentant C++ programmer and all around strongly-typed/OO type of guy).


On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 3:56:17 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel
>
> On 20 Mar 2017, at 18:48, Daniel Cunningham <dan...@chintiminifarm.com 
> > wrote:
>
> To import the one tiddler from the source wiki took about 120 clicks, as I 
> had to disable all the tiddlers that I did not want to copy over.  That's a 
> lot of clickity-clicking!  I did not see any "select/deselect all", which 
> could have made it take only 2 or 3 clicks.  
>
>
> Thanks for reminding me; I’ve added a new select all/none checkbox in the 
> heading of the $:/Import tiddler for 5.1.14. There’s a prerelease you can 
> try at:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] User interface for copy by value (vs reference) operations on singleton tiddlers

Now, THAT (the inter-window tab-to-tab drag/drop) is a thing of beauty.  
That works SO well with my workflow.  I'm getting misty-eyed.

I'm serious -- that's awesome.  Thanks so much!

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 3:33:46 PM UTC-7, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> It is also possible to perform a search and drag a title from the search 
> results (the list in the popup) directly. 
>
> As Eric noted, you can drag any LINK pointing to the tiddler you want to 
> copy (no visible URL needed). 
>
> All the best! 
> Thomas 
>
> (In Firefox I can drag from one tab to another tab in the same window.)
>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] User interface for copy by value (vs reference) operations on singleton tiddlers

Thanks for your time on this Eric.  I saw in the TW5 intro tiddlers that 
newbies like me can volunteer to update the docs and initiate git pull 
requests.  So I'll try to do that soon, and add some of your instructions, 
and the other clarifications in this thread.  It's what lesser minions like 
me should do in return for the help & advice.  

But I'll need to get spun-up on git first, as I am from the paleological 
age of CVS, which I think was before the great version control extinction 
event.   :-) 

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 2:38:54 PM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 12:21:54 PM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
>>
>> Hi Daniel,
>> you can drag tiddlers from the 'open' tab on the right hand side - just 
>> open the tiddler you want to copy, then drag it from the list in the 'open' 
>> tab to the destination tiddlywiki
>>
>
> Step by step:
>
> 1) Open both the "source" TW and "target" TW in separate browser windows
> 2) In the source TW, find a link to the desired tiddler (e.g., in the 
> sidebar, or in any other content where there is a link to the tiddler)
> 3) Drag that link from the source window to the target window
> 4) Move near the TOP of the target window, a green "drop here" bar will 
> appear
> 5) Drop the link
> 6) A core-generated $:/Import tiddler will appear, listing ONLY the 
> tiddler you dropped.
> 7) Press the Import button
>
> Note: if you want to import a few tiddlers at once, you can drag/drop each 
> of them, one at a time, to the target TW.  This adds them to the $:/Import 
> list.  When you have all the tiddler you want listed, press Import once to 
> complete the action.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
> Eric Shulman
> TiddlyTools: "Small Tools for Big Ideas" (tm)
> InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals
>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] User interface for copy by value (vs reference) operations on singleton tiddlers

Thanks, BJ.  Now it's clear.  I was confusing "link" with URL/URI.  I'm off 
to the races now!

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 12:21:54 PM UTC-7, BJ wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel,
> you can drag tiddlers from the 'open' tab on the right hand side - just 
> open the tiddler you want to copy, then drag it from the list in the 'open' 
> tab to the destination tidwiki
>
> all the best
> BJ
>
> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 7:48:09 PM UTC+1, Daniel Cunningham wrote:
>>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> I hope this is not going to be an embarrassing question.  But I did 
>> search the docs and groups/forums to no avail, so here goes...
>>
>> I am trying to do a copy of a single tiddler from one local TW5 file to 
>> another.  For example, an "action item" exists in a small "to-do list" TW5 
>> wiki, but perhaps now I am wanting to file & cross reference it into a 
>> larger "research notes" TW5 wiki, and then delete it from the "action 
>> items" wiki (which I want to keep as small as possible).
>>
>> I see from the TW5 docs that a copy operation is done by a drag & drop 
>> of the source URL onto the destination browser window.  So I generated a 
>> permalink for the tiddler in the "source window", and dragged it onto the 
>> destination window, which kicked off the import process.
>>
>> The result of this is import process yields a tiddler with a URI to the 
>> permalink.  So it's (kind of) like a "copy-by-reference".  What I seek is 
>> more of a a "copy-by-value".  So then I tried the "import" tool via the 
>> tool tab.  Which will work to do the copy by value.  But...
>>
>> ...For a single tiddler, it's not very user friendly. To import the one 
>> tiddler from the source wiki took about 120 clicks, as I had to disable all 
>> the tiddlers that I did not want to copy over.  That's a lot of 
>> clickity-clicking!  I did not see any "select/deselect all", which could 
>> have made it take only 2 or 3 clicks.  
>>
>> So, am I missing a key user interface?  It there a simpler way to import 
>> (or copy by value) the content (versus the URI/URL) of a single tiddler?  
>>
>> I can see one response being: "why not just cut/paste"?  As I explore 
>> TW5, and think about moving tiddlers from one TW5 "notebook" to another, I 
>> also think it's important to try to preserve tagging states, and also 
>> custom field states, which a simple copy/paste operation seems insufficient 
>> to do.  
>>
>> If it's missing functionality, perhaps a column header with the 
>> aforementioned "select/deselect all/none" functionality would suffice?
>>
>> Details: I am operating TW5 with Firefox 50.0.2 on Linux Mint 18 (Sarah) 
>> XFCE (and loving it, BTW).
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -- Daniel
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] [TW5] User interface for copy by value (vs reference) operations on singleton tiddlers

2017-03-20 Thread Daniel Cunningham

Hi All:

I hope this is not going to be an embarrassing question.  But I did search 
the docs and groups/forums to no avail, so here goes...

I am trying to do a copy of a single tiddler from one local TW5 file to 
another.  For example, an "action item" exists in a small "to-do list" TW5 
wiki, but perhaps now I am wanting to file & cross reference it into a 
larger "research notes" TW5 wiki, and then delete it from the "action 
items" wiki (which I want to keep as small as possible).

I see from the TW5 docs that a copy operation is done by a drag & drop of 
the source URL onto the destination browser window.  So I generated a 
permalink for the tiddler in the "source window", and dragged it onto the 
destination window, which kicked off the import process.

The result of this is import process yields a tiddler with a URI to the 
permalink.  So it's (kind of) like a "copy-by-reference".  What I seek is 
more of a a "copy-by-value".  So then I tried the "import" tool via the 
tool tab.  Which will work to do the copy by value.  But...

...For a single tiddler, it's not very user friendly. To import the one 
tiddler from the source wiki took about 120 clicks, as I had to disable all 
the tiddlers that I did not want to copy over.  That's a lot of 
clickity-clicking!  I did not see any "select/deselect all", which could 
have made it take only 2 or 3 clicks.  

So, am I missing a key user interface?  It there a simpler way to import 
(or copy by value) the content (versus the URI/URL) of a single tiddler?  

I can see one response being: "why not just cut/paste"?  As I explore TW5, 
and think about moving tiddlers from one TW5 "notebook" to another, I also 
think it's important to try to preserve tagging states, and also custom 
field states, which a simple copy/paste operation seems insufficient to 
do.  

If it's missing functionality, perhaps a column header with the 
aforementioned "select/deselect all/none" functionality would suffice?

Details: I am operating TW5 with Firefox 50.0.2 on Linux Mint 18 (Sarah) 
XFCE (and loving it, BTW).

Best regards,

-- Daniel


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Re: [tw] Re: (TW5) Problem with operator on: subfilter:"sort[created]" ?

2017-02-24 Thread Daniel Cunningham

Hi Mario,

Thanks for your efforts at explaining.  Yes, I'm coming to a new
appreciation.   With TW, you can't treat declarations and invocations as a
matter of personal style.  You need to understand exactly how the
substitutions will take place.

So instead of: "death by whitespace?" it's simply: "Dude.  Whitespace
matters."  :-)

And it's very much worth learning, because of the results (and power) it
can give you.

Thanks, Mario.

-- Best regards,
   Daniel


On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:25 AM, PMario <pmari...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 7:34:03 AM UTC+1, Daniel Cunningham wrote:
>>
>> Finally. some observations and questions for you veterans (keeping in
>> mind that I'm not at all familiar with the code base yet):
>>
>>- It kind of "bothered" me that the declaration "looks" like it has a
>>"default parameterization", but does not really.  In other words, when you
>>call the macro, if you don't explicitly supply all parameters, it will
>>fail.  That seems a bit fragile, right?
>>
>> Parameters do have default values, if you define them in the macro
> \define section.  IMO you just forgot the : ... see my other post..
>
>
>>
>>- Death by whitespace:  I found out if there's any leading whitespace
>>(before the macro definition) the tiddler fails.  Also, if there's any
>>whitespace in the filter list, it will fail.  Again, trying not to seem
>>harsh, but it feels rather fragile.  Am I being unfair?
>>
>> macros are TW syntax. So whitespace matters, most of the time. ... macro
> definitions have to start at the beginning of the line. Similar to headings
> and list syntax. ... It's wikitext  ...  powerful wikitext ;)
>
>
>
>>
>>- Is this "macro-ey" stuff kind of like the STL in C++?
>>
>> In the sense, that macros should abstract away complexity from enduses.
> .. yes.
>
> BUT TW macros are basically "text substitutions"  see:
> http://tiddlywiki.com/#Macros%20in%20WikiText:%5B%5BMacros%
> 20in%20WikiText%5D%5D%20Macros%20Pragma
>
>
>>
>>- Is this "fragility" due to the macro mechanism itself?
>>
>> I'm not exactly sure what you mean here? An example would be nice. ...
> Most of the time whitespace matters.
>
> TW syntax is used to produce formatted text. .. It's no general purpose
> programming language.
>
> have fun!
> mario
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Re: [tw] Re: (TW5) Problem with operator on: subfilter:"sort[created]" ?

2017-02-24 Thread Daniel Cunningham

Hi Mario,

You are quite the gentleman!  Rookie mistake on my part.  Many thanks for
spotting the error!

Best regards,
-- Daniel

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:00 AM, PMario <pmari...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think there is a typo. IMO it should be:
>
> \define timeline2(limit:"100",format:"DDth  MMM
> ",subfilter:"",sortaction:"sort",dateField:"modified")
>
> see the : after sortaction!
>
> -m
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[tw] Re: (TW5) Problem with operator on: subfilter:"sort[created]" ?

Sorry It was when I tried to add a comment above the macro that I threw the 
error.  I need to study up on TW5 comment syntax.

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 11:15:35 PM UTC-8, Daniel Cunningham 
wrote:
>
> Uhhh, scratch the "leading whitespace fragility" question.  I need to 
> chase my own sloppiness down...  :-)
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 10:34:03 PM UTC-8, Daniel Cunningham 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> Thanks for that follow-up!  I'm beginning to see (thanks to you and 
>> Mario) how this works.
>>
>> OK, so I now get how you can negate the sort order inside the macro (with 
>> a bang).  And then I see from the docs that the way that expression 
>> evaluates is L-to-R via that "railroad" style filter syntax 
>> <http://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Expression>.
>>
>> And now I see how you can't get to the juicy inner goodness unless you 
>> explicitly flip that bang in the middle...
>>
>> ...which bothered me.  So I extended your initial idea to allow an 
>> additional parameterization from outside:
>>
>> \define timeline2(limit:"100",format:"DDth  MMM 
>> ",subfilter:"",sortaction"sort",dateField:"modified")
>> 
>> <$list 
>> filter="[!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]$sortaction$[$dateField$]limit[$limit$]eachday[$dateField$]]">
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> <$macrocall $name="timeline2" subfilter="" 
>> format={{$:/language/RecentChanges/DateFormat}} sortaction="sort" 
>> dateField="created"/>
>>
>> And so, I can make a call using a sortaction of "sort" or "!sort", and 
>> control it from outside.  Which works.  And taught me a lot, so thanks to 
>> you & Mario for investing your time explaining that to me.
>>
>> Finally. some observations and questions for you veterans (keeping in 
>> mind that I'm not at all familiar with the code base yet):
>>
>>- Keep in mind I'm not a "macro-ey" kinda guy.  I'm more of 
>>"function-ey" or "object/method-ey" dude, so I'm sure you should take 
>> this 
>>with a bowling ball sized grain of salf... 
>>- It kind of "bothered" me that the declaration "looks" like it has a 
>>"default parameterization", but does not really.  In other words, when 
>> you 
>>call the macro, if you don't explicitly supply all parameters, it will 
>>fail.  That seems a bit fragile, right?
>>- Death by whitespace:  I found out if there's any leading whitespace 
>>(before the macro definition) the tiddler fails.  Also, if there's any 
>>whitespace in the filter list, it will fail.  Again, trying not to seem 
>>harsh, but it feels rather fragile.  Am I being unfair?
>>- Is this "macro-ey" stuff kind of like the STL in C++?
>>- Is this "fragility" due to the macro mechanism itself?  Or is it a 
>>characteristic of JavaScript?  Or CSS?  Or HTML?  Or some intersection of 
>>those elements?
>>
>>
>> And, again, most of all... THANKS for your explanations, which have been 
>> very useful in helping me to spin up on the awesomeness that is TiddlyWiki!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 5:42:43 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>
>>> Mario's syntax uses the macrocall widget, which is a somewhat more 
>>> formal way of calling a macro that works better in some situations.
>>>
>>> The problem with the timeline macro is that it doesn't give you access 
>>> to the sorting order (A/D), as you can see in this filter:
>>>
>>> [!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]*!**sort*[$dateField$]limit[
>>> $limit$]eachday[$dateField$]]
>>>
>>> You can't reach the *!sort* in the macro invocation. You can try 
>>> putting the following into a tiddler, which is modified from the original 
>>> timeline code:
>>>
>>> \define timeline2(limit:"100",format:"DDth MMM ",subfilter:"",
>>> dateField:"modified")
>>> 
>>> <$list filter=
>>> "[!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]sort[$dateField$]limit[$limit$]eachday[$dateField$]]"
>>> >
>>> 
>>> <$view field="$dateField$" format="date" template="$format$"/>
>>> <$list filter=
>>> "[sameday:$dateField${!!$dateField$}!is[system]$subf

[tw] Re: (TW5) Problem with operator on: subfilter:"sort[created]" ?

Uhhh, scratch the "leading whitespace fragility" question.  I need to chase 
my own sloppiness down...  :-)


On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 10:34:03 PM UTC-8, Daniel Cunningham 
wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for that follow-up!  I'm beginning to see (thanks to you and Mario) 
> how this works.
>
> OK, so I now get how you can negate the sort order inside the macro (with 
> a bang).  And then I see from the docs that the way that expression 
> evaluates is L-to-R via that "railroad" style filter syntax 
> <http://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Expression>.
>
> And now I see how you can't get to the juicy inner goodness unless you 
> explicitly flip that bang in the middle...
>
> ...which bothered me.  So I extended your initial idea to allow an 
> additional parameterization from outside:
>
> \define timeline2(limit:"100",format:"DDth  MMM 
> ",subfilter:"",sortaction"sort",dateField:"modified")
> 
> <$list 
> filter="[!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]$sortaction$[$dateField$]limit[$limit$]eachday[$dateField$]]">
>
> [...]
>
> <$macrocall $name="timeline2" subfilter="" 
> format={{$:/language/RecentChanges/DateFormat}} sortaction="sort" 
> dateField="created"/>
>
> And so, I can make a call using a sortaction of "sort" or "!sort", and 
> control it from outside.  Which works.  And taught me a lot, so thanks to 
> you & Mario for investing your time explaining that to me.
>
> Finally. some observations and questions for you veterans (keeping in mind 
> that I'm not at all familiar with the code base yet):
>
>- Keep in mind I'm not a "macro-ey" kinda guy.  I'm more of 
>"function-ey" or "object/method-ey" dude, so I'm sure you should take this 
>with a bowling ball sized grain of salf... 
>- It kind of "bothered" me that the declaration "looks" like it has a 
>"default parameterization", but does not really.  In other words, when you 
>call the macro, if you don't explicitly supply all parameters, it will 
>fail.  That seems a bit fragile, right?
>- Death by whitespace:  I found out if there's any leading whitespace 
>(before the macro definition) the tiddler fails.  Also, if there's any 
>whitespace in the filter list, it will fail.  Again, trying not to seem 
>harsh, but it feels rather fragile.  Am I being unfair?
>- Is this "macro-ey" stuff kind of like the STL in C++?
>- Is this "fragility" due to the macro mechanism itself?  Or is it a 
>characteristic of JavaScript?  Or CSS?  Or HTML?  Or some intersection of 
>those elements?
>
>
> And, again, most of all... THANKS for your explanations, which have been 
> very useful in helping me to spin up on the awesomeness that is TiddlyWiki!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 5:42:43 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> Mario's syntax uses the macrocall widget, which is a somewhat more formal 
>> way of calling a macro that works better in some situations.
>>
>> The problem with the timeline macro is that it doesn't give you access to 
>> the sorting order (A/D), as you can see in this filter:
>>
>> [!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]*!**sort*[$dateField$]limit[
>> $limit$]eachday[$dateField$]]
>>
>> You can't reach the *!sort* in the macro invocation. You can try putting 
>> the following into a tiddler, which is modified from the original timeline 
>> code:
>>
>> \define timeline2(limit:"100",format:"DDth MMM ",subfilter:"",
>> dateField:"modified")
>> 
>> <$list filter=
>> "[!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]sort[$dateField$]limit[$limit$]eachday[$dateField$]]"
>> >
>> 
>> <$view field="$dateField$" format="date" template="$format$"/>
>> <$list filter=
>> "[sameday:$dateField${!!$dateField$}!is[system]$subfilter$sort[$dateField$]]"
>> >
>> 
>> <$link to={{!!title}}>
>> <>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> \end
>> <$macrocall $name="timeline2" subfilter="" format={{$:/language/
>> RecentChanges/DateFormat}} dateField="created"/>
>>
>> It seemed to work in my quick test, though I didn't look at dates too 
>> closely. 
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 4:12:26 PM UTC-8, Daniel

[tw] Re: (TW5) Problem with operator on: subfilter:"sort[created]" ?

Hi Mark,

Thanks for that follow-up!  I'm beginning to see (thanks to you and Mario) 
how this works.

OK, so I now get how you can negate the sort order inside the macro (with a 
bang).  And then I see from the docs that the way that expression evaluates 
is L-to-R via that "railroad" style filter syntax 
<http://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Expression>.

And now I see how you can't get to the juicy inner goodness unless you 
explicitly flip that bang in the middle...

...which bothered me.  So I extended your initial idea to allow an 
additional parameterization from outside:

\define timeline2(limit:"100",format:"DDth  MMM 
",subfilter:"",sortaction"sort",dateField:"modified")

<$list 
filter="[!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]$sortaction$[$dateField$]limit[$limit$]eachday[$dateField$]]">

[...]

<$macrocall $name="timeline2" subfilter="" 
format={{$:/language/RecentChanges/DateFormat}} sortaction="sort" 
dateField="created"/>

And so, I can make a call using a sortaction of "sort" or "!sort", and 
control it from outside.  Which works.  And taught me a lot, so thanks to 
you & Mario for investing your time explaining that to me.

Finally. some observations and questions for you veterans (keeping in mind 
that I'm not at all familiar with the code base yet):

   - Keep in mind I'm not a "macro-ey" kinda guy.  I'm more of 
   "function-ey" or "object/method-ey" dude, so I'm sure you should take this 
   with a bowling ball sized grain of salf... 
   - It kind of "bothered" me that the declaration "looks" like it has a 
   "default parameterization", but does not really.  In other words, when you 
   call the macro, if you don't explicitly supply all parameters, it will 
   fail.  That seems a bit fragile, right?
   - Death by whitespace:  I found out if there's any leading whitespace 
   (before the macro definition) the tiddler fails.  Also, if there's any 
   whitespace in the filter list, it will fail.  Again, trying not to seem 
   harsh, but it feels rather fragile.  Am I being unfair?
   - Is this "macro-ey" stuff kind of like the STL in C++?
   - Is this "fragility" due to the macro mechanism itself?  Or is it a 
   characteristic of JavaScript?  Or CSS?  Or HTML?  Or some intersection of 
   those elements?
   

And, again, most of all... THANKS for your explanations, which have been 
very useful in helping me to spin up on the awesomeness that is TiddlyWiki!



On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 5:42:43 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> Mario's syntax uses the macrocall widget, which is a somewhat more formal 
> way of calling a macro that works better in some situations.
>
> The problem with the timeline macro is that it doesn't give you access to 
> the sorting order (A/D), as you can see in this filter:
>
> [!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]*!**sort*[$dateField$]limit[$limit$
> ]eachday[$dateField$]]
>
> You can't reach the *!sort* in the macro invocation. You can try putting 
> the following into a tiddler, which is modified from the original timeline 
> code:
>
> \define timeline2(limit:"100",format:"DDth MMM ",subfilter:"",
> dateField:"modified")
> 
> <$list filter=
> "[!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]sort[$dateField$]limit[$limit$]eachday[$dateField$]]"
> >
> 
> <$view field="$dateField$" format="date" template="$format$"/>
> <$list filter=
> "[sameday:$dateField${!!$dateField$}!is[system]$subfilter$sort[$dateField$]]"
> >
> 
> <$link to={{!!title}}>
> <>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> \end
> <$macrocall $name="timeline2" subfilter="" format={{$:/language/
> RecentChanges/DateFormat}} dateField="created"/>
>
> It seemed to work in my quick test, though I didn't look at dates too 
> closely. 
>
> Good luck!
> Mark
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 4:12:26 PM UTC-8, Daniel Cunningham 
> wrote:
>>
>> Many thanks, Mario!  I tried that, and it works.  
>>
>> But rather than change a shadow tiddler, I elected to put in into a 
>> "end-user" tiddler, that I can then place in the sidebar with a 
>> "$:tags/SideBar" tag.  That gives me the functionality I was looking for.  
>> Also, I won't shoot myself in the foot if core changes during my "learning 
>> curve".  :-)
>>
>> As a follow-up, the results are still in descending order (same as the 
>> original Recent tab functionality).  So, to get ascending order, I recon I 
>&g

[tw] Re: (TW5) Problem with operator on: subfilter:"sort[created]" ?

Many thanks, Mario!  I tried that, and it works.  

But rather than change a shadow tiddler, I elected to put in into a 
"end-user" tiddler, that I can then place in the sidebar with a 
"$:tags/SideBar" tag.  That gives me the functionality I was looking for.  
Also, I won't shoot myself in the foot if core changes during my "learning 
curve".  :-)

As a follow-up, the results are still in descending order (same as the 
original Recent tab functionality).  So, to get ascending order, I recon I 
should apply a sort operator to the results of your code segment.  But the 
syntax of your code is very different than that shown in the docs -- can 
you give guidance on this?

Best,

-- Daniel

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 4:22:50 PM UTC-8, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 11:48:49 PM UTC+1, Daniel Cunningham 
> wrote:
>>
>> And then what you are saying is that since this is embedded in the 
>> timeline macro, any sort criteria I try to apply to "created" will be to no 
>> avail?
>>
>
> Have a look at the docs: http://tiddlywiki.com/#timeline%20Macro
>  
>
>>
>> Unless... I clone the macro & modfify it to use the "created" field?
>>
>
> Edit: $:/core/ui/SideBar/Recent 
> <http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FSideBar%2FRecent>
>
> like so: <$macrocall $name="timeline" 
> format={{$:/language/RecentChanges/DateFormat}} dateField="created"/>
>
> and you should be good to go. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>

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[tw] Re: (TW5) Problem with operator on: subfilter:"sort[created]" ?

2017-02-22 Thread Daniel Cunningham

A!  Thanks much, Mark!  I saw that documentation, but did not realize 
its implications. 

So, just to be clear, it's saying?...

   1. look at stuff that's not a system tiddler;
   2. filter anything that's got a "modified" field;
   3. do a reverse sort on the "modified" date;
   4. and then, if the user put some limits on the listing, use those 
   limits.

And then what you are saying is that since this is embedded in the timeline 
macro, any sort criteria I try to apply to "created" will be to no avail?

Unless... I clone the macro & modfify it to use the "created" field?

Thanks again!



On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 2:19:59 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Per the documentation, timeline uses this filter:
>
> [!is[system]$subfilter$has[modified]!sort[modified]limit[$limit$]eachday[
> modified]]
>
> This means that a sort on the modified field is applied after the 
> subfilter and will take precedence over a sort order specified in the 
> subfilter.
>
> I guess I would consider cloning $:/core/macros/timeline perhaps creating 
> a macro "timeline2" and then change the sort in the filter expression to 
> work your way. If you clone and modify, remember that you have to save and 
> refresh before the new macro will take effect. Also be sure to have a 
> backup of your TW file before you start.
>
> Good luck,
> Mark
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 10:42:58 AM UTC-8, Daniel Cunningham 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All -- new TW5 user here.  Really love the product so far.  
>>
>> I've run into a behavior that might be a bug, or (more likely) me just 
>> not understanding the syntax.  I'm trying to display a list of tiddlers by 
>> date created (not just modified).  And it seems to me that the negation 
>> operator in my subfilter is not acting upon my sort criteria.  
>>
>> I thought the code below would produce different ordered lists, but it 
>> does not.   
>>
>> !! List tiddlers by creation (not modification) date:
>>
>> !!! Show oldest on top, newest on bottom?
>>
>> <> subfilter:"sort[created]"
>> format:"ddd 0DD MMM ">>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> !!! Show newest on top, oldest on bottom?
>>
>> <> subfilter:"!sort[created]"
>> format:"ddd 0DD MMM ">>
>>
>>
>> This is with a freshly downloaded "empty" TW5 instance.
>>
>> My preference is to do this in "vanilla" TW5, because (1) I want to make 
>> sure I actually understand the syntax, and (2) I'm not sure which plug-in 
>> "pet" I want to adopt yet (I want to take them ALL home, but I know that's 
>> not wise).
>>
>> -- Daniel
>>
>

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[tw] (TW5) Problem with operator on: subfilter:"sort[created]" ?

2017-02-22 Thread Daniel Cunningham

Hi All -- new TW5 user here.  Really love the product so far.  

I've run into a behavior that might be a bug, or (more likely) me just not 
understanding the syntax.  I'm trying to display a list of tiddlers by date 
created (not just modified).  And it seems to me that the negation operator 
in my subfilter is not acting upon my sort criteria.  

I thought the code below would produce different ordered lists, but it does 
not.   

!! List tiddlers by creation (not modification) date:

!!! Show oldest on top, newest on bottom?

<>

---

!!! Show newest on top, oldest on bottom?

<>


This is with a freshly downloaded "empty" TW5 instance.

My preference is to do this in "vanilla" TW5, because (1) I want to make 
sure I actually understand the syntax, and (2) I'm not sure which plug-in 
"pet" I want to adopt yet (I want to take them ALL home, but I know that's 
not wise).

-- Daniel

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[tw] [TW5] I've written a plugin that pulls Pinboard bookmarks into tiddlers

2016-10-09 Thread Daniel Metcalfe

All the instructions you need are on the GitHub repo 
.

If you need any help getting setup, just respond to this thread, I'm happy 
to assist. If you have any feedback, raise an issue on GitHub.

I hope this is of some use to other people who use both Pinboard and 
TiddlyWiki. If you do not have a Pinboard account, perhaps this is a good 
time to give it a go? It's a simple, no-nonsense service that stores 
bookmarks and provides an API.

*Bookmarks from your Pinboard account...*



*..can be included in tiddlers that share the same tags.*



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[tw] Re: [TW5] Is it possible to write a plugin that integrates with Pinboard's API?

2016-08-18 Thread Daniel Metcalfe

Thank you for pointing out the filesystem adaptor Danielo, I've had a look 
at it and can see that in the TiddlyWiki core code it checks for modules of 
type 'syncadaptor' and uses the exported methods there, so the JS in 
filesystem is executed server side from within the core.

I can see also that code in my JS macro is executed once at startup in a 
node context without failures, but then when calling the as a macro from 
the browser the same JS code fails due to node-specific things like 
'require' (as well as CORS restrictions on the request to Pinboard).

I'm unsure as to how I should write my plugin so that my JS code can be 
executed in a node context rather than a browser context. I'm looking at 
the other module types <http://tiddlywiki.com/static/ModuleType.html> 
wondering if perhaps one of those will allow my plugin modules to be 
triggered from the open TiddlyWiki in the browser but still executed server 
side where they are not subject to CORS.

Thank you for your help so far,
Dan

On Thursday, 18 August 2016 18:49:25 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
>
>
> El jueves, 18 de agosto de 2016, 19:40:54 (UTC+2), Daniel Metcalfe 
> escribió:
>>
>> Thanks Danielo, 
>>
> You're welcome
>  
>
>>
>> My main concern is if there is a way to do it using TiddlyWiki plugin 
>> mechanism though? From the examples I've seen things you can add via 
>> plugins just run within the browser once you've loaded a TiddlyWiki.
>>
>
> That is not exactly true. If you plan to run your TW in node, part of your 
> plugin can run just on the browser and part of your plugin can run just on 
> node. That way you can create some client-server architecture within your 
> plugin. The only restriction for the people wanting to use it is that they 
> would have to run your plugin in a node TW.
>  
>
>>
>> I'd like it to be easily shareable like you suggested, if I have to 
>> modify TiddlyWiki core code then it is not very shareable, people will have 
>> to deploy my fork of the repo.
>>
>
> As I said, TW has the ability to run code on the browser, the server or 
> both. The filesystem adaptor is an example of it. 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Is it possible to write a plugin that integrates with Pinboard's API?

2016-08-18 Thread Daniel Metcalfe

Thanks Danielo, that's provided me some extra clarity on what I thought I 
might have to do. I could run TiddlyWiki as a node server and change some 
of the core code.

My main concern is if there is a way to do it using TiddlyWiki plugin 
mechanism though? If I can then it is easily shareable, if I have to modify 
TiddlyWiki core code then it is not very shareable, people will have to 
deploy my fork of the repo.

On Thursday, 18 August 2016 09:39:00 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> All you need is a backend that is not restricted to CORS (any server code 
> should work) and an endpoint that allows your wikis to fetch data allowing 
> CORS to your domains.
>
> So, in summary (and as example) you could need
>
>
>1. Node.js app that gets the information you need and saves it into a 
>database.
>2. The same node.js app can expose an endpoint with CORS enabled
>
>
> If that is a problem to you (don't want or can't get a node app running) 
> you can try with IFTT maker channel:
> https://ifttt.com/maker
>
> In fact, this may be the preferred options because IFTT also has a 
> pinboard channel:
>
> https://ifttt.com/pinboard
>
> If you get something cool and working, don't hesitate to share it!
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Is it possible to write a plugin that integrates with Pinboard's API?

2016-08-18 Thread Daniel Metcalfe

If I remember correctly I tried it using both a local file and the same 
wiki hosted on TiddlySpot. I believe the CORS restrictions apply equally to 
both local files and hosted files, because either way the domain is 
different to pinboard.in.

I understand that what I've tried doesn't work for good reasons so I'm just 
wondering if there are any workaround or alternative approaches I might 
try. Basically I just like to know if it's even possible!

Cheers,
Dan

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 20:27:39 UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> If you try to write from a local file based Tiddlywiki to an online API 
> you'll have no luck. Browser vendors consider this behaviour insecure and 
> block it. 
>
> JSONP .. search for "jsonp security 
> <https://www.google.at/search?q=jsonp+security=utf-8=utf-8=firefox-b_rd=cr=_7W0V_OvAbTS8Ae8-7eoCQ#q=jsonp+security=qdr:y>"
>  
> and you probably don't want to use it. 
>
> If you did access the piboard api from a local file it may explain the  
> CORS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-origin_resource_sharing>, 
> errors too. 
>
> Can you describe your setup a bit closer?
>
> -mario
>

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[tw] Is it possible to write a plugin that integrates with Pinboard's API?

2016-08-17 Thread Daniel Metcalfe

I use both Pinboard & TiddlyWiki as places to store knowledge. Pinboard is
a bookmarking service that stores URLs with optional associated plain text
notes.

I've decided to write a plugin that will read the tags of my tiddlers and
call the Pinboard API to enrich my tiddlers with links and text from
bookmarks that have the same tags. My web development knowledge is not that
good and I've quickly run into problems. Here's what I've tried so far:

- *Using Single-file TiddlyWiki*
- Javascript Macro
- Call API using XMLHttpRequest().
- CORS error. Pinboard does not return
Access-Control-Allow-Origin headers.
- Retrieve Pinboard feed using JSONP.
- Script tag is disabled in TiddlyWiki so cannot use JSONP.
- *Using Node Server TiddlyWiki*
- Javascript Macro
- Call API using XMLHttpRequest().
- XMLHttpRequest() is not defined error. Provided by browser.

At this point I decided I did not know enough and should seek advice. I
could probably just modify some JS in the TiddlyWiki core to intervene as
the Tiddler is loaded but then the functionality will not be easily
reusable. I could perhaps write a Chrome plugin that can bypass CORs
restrictions but that limits reusability too.

I'd really appreciate any pointers or advice, is there a way to do it using
TiddlyWiki's plugin mechanism?

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[tw] Howto write a book with TD

2016-05-18 Thread Mario Daniel Carugno

Hi there !

I'm starting to use TD more, and reading the great documentation.
One of the points of interest for me, is in the tiddler
Some of the things you can do with TiddlyWiki
Where one of the items is 'Write a book'.
I wonder, if anyone could do this, how to do write a book with TD.
Is there some special macro or plugin ?
Could I arrange chapters and the make a pdf or ebook ?

Thanks in advance !
Mario

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[tw] Re: Reduce size of the "recent" list

2016-05-09 Thread Daniel

Thanks for the help!

I changed the limit in 

$:/core/macros/timeline
so I'm happy for now, though a configurable parameter (not breaking at 
updates) would be great in the future.

Thanks, again!

/Daniel



Am Dienstag, 3. Mai 2016 12:17:57 UTC+2 schrieb PMario:
>
> If we would change this line in the timeline macro 
> <http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmacros%2Ftimeline>
>
> <$list 
> filter="[!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]!sort[$dateField$]limit[$limit$]eachday[$dateField$]]">
> 
> ^
> to 
>
> <$list 
> filter="[!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]!sort[$dateField$]eachday[$dateField$]limit[$limit$]]">
>  
>^
>
> and set the limit to eg: 3 it would use the last 3 dates, where tiddlers 
> have been changed. ... It still would show all tiddlers from the group
>
> -m
> PS: We should probably create a new timeline macro, with a new 
> limitNumberOfLinks 
>
>

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[tw] Re: Reduce size of the "recent" list

2016-05-09 Thread Daniel

Thanks for the help!

I changed the limit in 

$:/core/macros/timeline
so I'm happy for now, though a configurable parameter (not breaking at 
updates) would be great in the future.

Thanks, again!

/Daniel



Am Dienstag, 3. Mai 2016 12:17:57 UTC+2 schrieb PMario:
>
> If we would change this line in the timeline macro 
> <http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmacros%2Ftimeline>
>
> <$list 
> filter="[!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]!sort[$dateField$]limit[$limit$]eachday[$dateField$]]">
> 
> ^
> to 
>
> <$list 
> filter="[!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]!sort[$dateField$]eachday[$dateField$]limit[$limit$]]">
>  
>^
>
> and set the limit to eg: 3 it would use the last 3 dates, where tiddlers 
> have been changed. ... It still would show all tiddlers from the group
>
> -m
> PS: We should probably create a new timeline macro, with a new 
> limitNumberOfLinks 
>
>

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[tw] Reduce size of the "recent" list

2016-05-03 Thread Daniel

Hi list!

I'd like to reduce the size of the recent list (so that there is no 
scrolling on the screen I regularly use). I did not find a setting for 
this, and changing the "limit" part of the filter expression in 
$:/core/Filters/RecentTiddlers die not change anything either.

Thanks for any pointers!

Best regards,
Daniel

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Re: [tw] Re: Self Hosted TiddlyWikis.?!

2016-03-07 Thread Daniel Baird

Hi Jon,

I'm one of the tiddlyspot people.

We've like to open source tiddlyspot (and make some long-delayed
improvements), but just haven't had time.  Best situation would be that
Simon or I get retrenched, then we'll get to it :)

But I can confirm that tiddlyspot is just a pretty looking wrapper around
BidiX's store.php / UploadPlugin.  So in theory, if you have store.php, you
can have your self-hosted tiddlyspot.  It is a huge pain to set up -- which
was one of the triggers for us creating tiddlyspot -- but you'll get there
:)

Probably it'd be much better to run the latest node host that comes with
tw5, though..

Cheers
Daniel

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> I am now documenting this effort at
> http://tiddly.federated.wiki/view/run-tiddlywiki-on-the-web
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Re: [tw] TW5 Default type

2016-01-15 Thread Daniel

Also thanks from my side - this works nicely.

I made that button use the Markdown logo from 
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown#/media/File:Markdown-mark.svg using 
this content for the button tiddler:

<$button class="tc-btn-invisible" title="Create new Markdown Tiddler" 
message="tm-new-tiddler" param="markdownSkeleton">










Just in case anyone finds this useful.

Best regards,
Daniel

Am Montag, 22. September 2014 20:33:26 UTC+2 schrieb Gerald Strickland:
>
> Thanks for the info Eric! It worked.
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[tw] Re: Struggling to Understand the Available TW5 Web Hosted Options

2015-12-10 Thread Daniel Metcalfe

Thanks for taking the time to write this in-depth reply Tobias. I also 
found this tiddler of yours that helped further clarify a few things: Hosting 
Via node.js Or store.php? 
<http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Hosting%20Via%20node.js%20Or%20store.php%3F>

I just have a couple more questions relating to my particular use case: I 
use TiddlyWiki as a personal knowledge database. I have no need to publish 
things with it, I simply want maximum ease of use. I want to be able to 
edit it in-browser, from anywhere, picking up from where I left off.

>From what you've told me the very simplest way to do that seems to be to 
use *store.php*. That seems to be precisely what TiddlySpot is doing for me 
already, but I find the interaction quite clunky in that I have to download 
a copy, edit, and then save to push back to the server. Using multiple 
devices to access my TiddlyWiki means I also have to take another offline 
copy from TiddlySpot every time I wish to edit, or otherwise remember which 
machine I last used it on. I can change the save options in the TiddlyWiki 
control panel so that it saves in browser, but then I can't seem to 
download a copy for backup without changing these settings once again. 
Another problem is that to edit on iOS is simply too much work, but 
sometimes I really need to get stuff out of my brain and into a tiddler, in 
browser saving would therefore also be preferable here.

Hosting myself seemed to be the best way to get around TiddlySpot's 
limitations (although there could be a way to work with it I've not found). 
I can save in-browser whilst still keeping my own backups (as it would be 
hosted on my own machine).

I understand your main point to be that I can host my TiddlyWiki anywhere 
just as it is, seen as it is just a HTML page; no need for a fancy server 
deployment. May I ask though why you choose to use the node.js 
implementation locally? Is it just so you can manage the wiki by individual 
tiddler? And if so is that tiddler-centric management of the wiki the only 
real difference between node and single page TiddlyWiki?

Cheers,
Dan

For me, TiddlyWiki is just for personal use, and so I have no need to 
publish things

On Monday, 7 December 2015 21:44:01 UTC, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> Welcome and all the best for your journey's with TiddlyWiki.
>
> As for hosting, the very easiest way is to *simply upload your wiki 
> someplace*.
>
> What I currently do is work mostly offline with node.js under localhost.
> However, to publish stuff, I actually build wikis that are then pushed, 
> e.g. to GitHub pages.
> ...while also pushing the individual tiddlers from which they are built up 
> there, for versioning.
>
> You could just use FileZilla and any host giving you ftp access, and 
> you're done.
> If you fancy static pages over big wikis, you can try to fiddle with 
> building those.
> But, the process is still quite cumbersome if you want things to work or 
> look differently.
>
> As for your questions, 
>
>>
>>- In what way are TiddlyWeb and the Node server different from one 
>>another? Are they two different ways of achieving the same thing (a web 
>>accessible TiddlyWiki)?
>>
>> TiddlyWeb is a python based server, the node server is a (very basic) js 
> server.
> You do not need any such server to have TiddlyWiki accessible over the web.
> Just upload the html alongside any external resources you may prefer 
> externalized. 
>
>>
>>- How does store.php fit in, is that an application of TiddlyWeb?
>>
>> The two have little to nothing in common.
> Store.php is a very simple php script allowing you to upload a wiki 
> document right from your browser,
> granted you have a php enabled server and said script properly configured. 
>
>>
>>- How does the term TiddlyWebWiki differ from TiddlyWeb?
>>
>> TiddlyWeb is a pretty general purpose server implementation to serving 
> tiddlers over HTTP... with things like bags, recipes, policies.
> TiddlyWebWiki adds a bit of a controler / view layer that caters for the 
> needs of a TiddlyWiki talking to TiddlyWeb, I believe.
> So the latter builds on the foundation of the former and allows you to 
> have your wiki talk to a tiddlyweb server and back.
>
>>
>>- As a single user, are there any advantages to self hosting a TW5 
>>Node server rather than allowing TiddlySpot to host it?
>>
>> I would not recommend "hosting" TiddlyWiki via some minimalistic node.js 
> server.
> There is hardly any benefit to it.
>
> Currently, the power of using TiddlyWiki under node.js does not lie in any 
> serving capabilities with respect to remote visitors.
>
> Keep in mind that we're also not quite at any workable multi-user 
> configurat

[tw] Struggling to Understand the Available TW5 Web Hosted Options

2015-12-07 Thread Daniel Metcalfe

I'm quite new to TiddlyWiki and have been using TW5 as a standalone HTML 
file hosted at TiddlySpot. I'd like to explore other options for hosting my 
TiddlyWiki but I'm struggling to wrap my head around all the different 
terms floating around. If someone could take the time to answer the 
following questions I'd be very grateful.

   - In what way are TiddlyWeb and the Node server different from one 
   another? Are they two different ways of achieving the same thing (a web 
   accessible TiddlyWiki)?
   - How does store.php fit in, is that an application of TiddlyWeb?
   - How does the term TiddlyWebWiki differ from TiddlyWeb?
   - As a single user, are there any advantages to self hosting a TW5 Node 
   server rather than allowing TiddlySpot to host it?

Cheers,
Daniel

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Re: [tw] Re: an open source version of the tiddlyspot server

2015-08-23 Thread Daniel Baird

Amazing Rob changed his github name from brimstone4814 to his real name
(well, his real name is Amazing Rob, but he's gone with RobertPyke in
this case). So what's at https://github.com/robertpyke/tiddly-speck is the
most recent state of the tiddly-speck project.

Even if it's working, though, it may not have features you want. If you
want to clone it and have a go at finishing it off, that's completely okay
with us...

Cheers
Daniel

On 21 August 2015 at 22:19, Atul Grover atulgrov...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Daniel,

Does the code at

https://github.com/robertpyke/tiddly-speck

works. There is 'page not found' at

http://github.com/brimstone4814/tiddly-speck/tree/master
http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbrimstone4814%2Ftiddly-speck%2Ftree%2Fmastersa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNF50B2dBHSHoZECuP4MAXkE25Z0Dw

Regards
Atul

On Thursday, February 12, 2009 at 5:28:01 PM UTC+5:30, Daniel Baird wrote:

Hi all,

I've got an announcement, some rhetorical questions, and a couple of
REAL questions I'd love to hear answers to. If you get bored, please
scroll to the end where I ask 'em.

The Announcement:

Imagine if you could just download and unzip some PHP files, and
instantly have a tiddlyspot-type server running behind your corporate
firewall, on your school server, or just on the Mac Mini in the back
of your broom cupboard.

That's the goal of a new project that we kicked off a couple of weeks ago.

I've tried to anticipate some questions below...

Q What's tiddlyspot anyway?

Simon and I have run a free TiddlyWiki host at tiddlyspot.com for
several years. Tiddlyspot makes it really easy to create and save
TiddlyWikis to the web, using BidiX's UploadPlugin and a smattering of
sweet, sweet Ruby goodness. Try it out at http://tiddlyspot.com if
you want to see how it works.

Q *We* kicked off a project? Who's *we*?

Well, Simon and I have wanted to clean up and open source tiddlyspot's
server code for a while, but haven't really had time. Then recently
friend and colleague Robert (known locally as The Amazing Rob)
mentioned that he was looking for an open source project to get into.
Sha-bam!

Q Why PHP?

Much as we love Ruby, we figure it's still a little dicey getting Ruby
code to work on free and low cost web hosts. PHP on the other hand
seems to be supported everywhere, and it's a major goal to make the
thing install and run with a minimum of messing about. So PHP it is.

Q Easy-to-deploy huh. Any other major goals?

- Easy to deploy. Ideally setup-free -- unzip, then browse there.
- Easy to understand. TW goes in, TW goes out. I'd love to fix the
simultaneous edit problem, that's pretty confusing. Might be out of
scope here though :)
- Easy to create sites. Like tiddlyspot, or better. Plus support for
uploading an existing TW.
- Easy to enhance. We imagine fancy backup arrangements, printable
PDFs for your GTD lists, etc. might all exist as things you can just
dump into the addon directory.
- I can't think of any more, but we'll keep you posted...

Q What stage is it at?

Early. Robert has the basic site creation and hosting working. Still
to come is the selection of site flavour, theming branding, getting
UploadTiddler working and tested, site and server control panels,
fancy backups, and whatever other stuff comes up.

Q I've got some time to kill right now. Got something to look at?

We don't have a working site to fiddle on yet, but the code's here:
http://github.com/brimstone4814/tiddly-speck/tree/master

You don't need git to grab it; just click the 'download' button to get
the source as a zip. Dump it into an Apache directory and see what
happens when you hit index.html.

Q What's the volume of a pizza with radius of z, and depth of a?

pi z z a (an old joke but a good one).

The Questions
=

There's a few pressing issues I'd love some advice on.

Licencing:
BSD? GPL? Maybe LGPL? I have a vague sense of the difference
between these, but I have no idea what the real ramifications are of
each. Will GPL get in the way of corporate use, even just
psychologically? And I'd like to allow some kind of plugin
arrangement that permits non-open source addons. Any advice?

Naming:
Currently we're calling it TiddlySpeck, but actually I'd love to think
of a name that's not related to tiddlyspot, and maybe doesn't even
include the word tiddly. Or is that blasphemous?

I'd love to hear your opinions. I expect Robert will be along in a
little bit to introduce himself.

Cheers
;Daniel

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Re: [tw] Re: an open source version of the tiddlyspot server

2015-08-18 Thread Daniel Baird

Hi all,

The twine project started when Amazing Rob was looking for an open source
project to get into, and I suggested he rewrite Tiddlyspot in PHP. He got
a couple of weekends in but ended up turning his attention elsewhere
(probably I should have hooked him deeper on tiddlywiki first).

I think the choice of PHP could be reviewed. It's probably still the most
well supported across all the crappy free/low cost web hosting setups,
but it's easier to get into stuff like Heroku so maybe Ruby or Node or
whatever would be fine.

With TW5 the need for a simple, stable web host for TiddlyWikis
continues. *The
biggest problem with producing an open source tiddlyspot is time*. Simon
and I now live in different cities, and we have kids, work etc to deal
with. We both *want* to make a modern version of ts, but actually
allocating tinkering time is super hard.

I'll give you all the secret(s) to making tiddlyspot:

- Don't compromise on the SIMPLE FOR USERS part. Either swallow the
complexity completely, or skip the feature. User options are sign that
you're failing to make it simple.
- Serve the tiddlywiki as a single file straight from the disk, using
nginx or apache or whatever. Don't be tempted to assemble it from tiddlers
stored in a database or whatever. You don't need a database for tiddler
content.
- Write the plainest, most boring code you can. Don't try fancy stuff.
And remember the simplest code is that code you don't even have to write.

If anyone's a coder and wants to help crank the handle on a fresh new Ruby,
Node or PHP version of tiddlyspot, let me know :)

P.S. for any habitual TW list lurkers: I'm 821 conversations behind on my
tiddlywiki mailing list reading.. feel free to cc me directly —
danielba...@gmail.com — if something comes up in a thread that you think I
should see.

On 17 August 2015 at 03:52, manoflinux manofli...@gmail.com wrote:

Your code seems to have gone missing?
Any more work on this? it ever get there?
On Thursday, February 12, 2009 at 6:58:01 AM UTC-5, Daniel Baird wrote:

Hi all,

I've got an announcement, some rhetorical questions, and a couple of
REAL questions I'd love to hear answers to. If you get bored, please
scroll to the end where I ask 'em.

The Announcement:

That's the goal of a new project that we kicked off a couple of weeks ago.

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[tw] Classic colorpalette

2015-06-05 Thread Daniel Lawson

hello has anyone ever done an idiots guide to the colorpalette 
ie which statements below refer to which part ie which one refers to the 
menu at the top of the screen and what is the main bulk of screen etc?

Ie what is Primary, What is Secondary and tertiary?

Background: #fff
Foreground: #000
PrimaryPale: #000
PrimaryLight: #18f
PrimaryMid: #04b
PrimaryDark: #014
SecondaryPale: #ffc
SecondaryLight: #fe8
SecondaryMid: #db4
SecondaryDark: #841
TertiaryPale: #eee
TertiaryLight: #ccc
TertiaryMid: #999
TertiaryDark: #666
Error: #f88

Thank you

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[tw] Re: Tiddlywiki 5 saving

2015-06-05 Thread Daniel Lawson

Thanks all, very interesting, I feel the older one may suit my requirements 
better then, despite the new one looking very modern and swish!

On Friday, June 5, 2015 at 12:28:52 AM UTC+1, RichardWilliamSmith wrote:

 Then use the old one.


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[tw] Tiddlywiki 5 saving

2015-06-04 Thread Daniel Lawson

Hi All,
I am using the new tiddlywiki on chrome windows 7 

When listing products ie

[[A]]
[[b]]
[[c]]
[[d]]

the text all forms on the same line despite there being carriage returns.  
when you save the changes and view the tiddler it is displayed a b c d

Whereas on the tiddly classic it would show

a
b
c
d

Any ideas? also can you have the side menu on as in classic or is this 
feature removed? 
Thank you
Dan

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Re: [tw] Invitation to TiddlyPip: an Apple App Store experiment

2015-02-02 Thread Daniel Baird

I like the idea that a buyer might actually pay for content delivered in a
App-ified TW based on the promise of *future updates to the content*.

Your TWApp can contain reference documentation or whatever the user gets to
refer to when they're offline, but it gets updated every few months (or
weeks or years) with the latest info.  That seems like a high value
proposition for something like API references, or legal handbooks, or price
history references for real estate etc.

;Daniel



On 30 January 2015 at 21:58, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you have an idea for TiddlyWiki content that you think people might pay
 for?

 Perhaps a technical manual? Or a guide for your city? Training materials
 for your company's field engineer force? Or maybe a manualisation of mental
 health intervention techniques?

 Would you be interested in working together to create your multimedia
 TiddlyWiki content and wrap it up as an app that can be distributed and
 sold on the iPhone/iPad app store?

 Here's the background for this invitation: I've recently finished my work
 with CTRLio. I'm very grateful to them for the support they've shown to my
 work on TiddlyWiki over the last 18 months. But now I need to find new
 sources of income to replace my salary. There's a few weeks in which I can
 consider some radical options, and this is one of them.

 I want to explore the idea of building a commercial TiddlyWiki ecosystem
 on top of the Apple platform of iOS, the Mac and iCloud. I'm not making any
 moral or philosophical judgement about Apple's place in the world. I'm
 considering this plan just because the App Store is one of the places that
 someone like me may be able to make money.

 This first step is simple: we create a framework for building iOS apps
 that provide a terrific, read-only user experience for interacting with
 TiddlyWiki documents. I'd want to support free or paid apps, with the
 possibility of using in-app purchases for premium content. It would be a
 way to deliver a highly custom, interactive user experience around
 multimedia content. We would be able to deliver free updates to the app and
 content via the app store update process.

 Such a simple application would be the quickest way to get into the app
 store - I believe in just a few weeks. The aim would be for the app to be
 invisible without much of a discernible user interface, just providing the
 mechanisms for the content to take centre stage. It certainly shouldn't
 resemble the familiar default TiddlyWiki editing interface.

 I'm open to suggestions about how to structure this from a business
 perspective. I'd need some upfront payment to fund the development, but
 hopfully we'd find a big enough handful of people that individual shares of
 the startup costs would be relatively small.

 If enough people can provide the necessary commercial backing we can use
 TiddlyPip to publish Eric's Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual.

 Beyond simple read-only publishing, there would be a number of incremental
 improvements we could make once we see regular revenue:

 # Support read/write functionality like annotations, with iCloud syncing
 between iOS devices.

 # Support publishing custom, TiddlyWiki-based applications, such as
 tw5.scholars. It wouldn't appear to be a TiddlyWiki file: it would behave
 like a custom app for scholarly notetaking (including multi-device sync)

 # Support quizzes and questionnaires, with content unlocked by
 successfully completing exercises

 # Support reporting of progress to the TinCan API

 # Support one-on-one student/educator interactions through the app.
 Students might buy an academic textbook along with tokens to ask the author
 5 questions via messaging within the app.

 # Create a full end-user application that enables the user to create and
 work with TiddlyWiki documents on iOS devices. This is really the ultimate
 goal from a development perspective. But it's a lot of work to create such
 an app with enough polish to stand out in the app store, and I'm not
 convinced there are enough people prepared to pay for apps like TiddlyWiki.
 But if we can bootstrap things via the content publishing route then we
 ought to be able to gain the time to make the app sufficiently polished and
 useful

 It's fun thinking about the possibilities. But we need to take this
 journey as a series of small steps, and I need to quickly find out if
 there's any hope of completing the first step.

 I need to know if there's anyone out there who might be prepared to put
 some money on the table based on their belief that they have content that
 could viably support this business model. So please let me know if you fit
 that description. Ideally, we'd find a handful of people which would make
 it easier to fund the initial development, until the app store revenues
 kick in.

 Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions,

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 Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] node.js tiddlywiki over ssl possible

2015-01-29 Thread Daniel Baird

On 25 January 2015 at 22:53, Daniel Baird danielba...@gmail.com wrote:


 [...]Then your attack service is a bit narrower (well not exactly
 narrower.. just more battle-tested).



Gah, typo silly me: surface.  Your attack SURFACE is a bit narrower etc.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] node.js tiddlywiki over ssl possible

2015-01-25 Thread Daniel Baird

You can do SSL directly from a node server -- I don't know if Jeremy has
actually done it with the TW server, but it's not especially difficult.
However it's often a good idea to do SSL through a well-used and mature
proxy like nginx or apache.  Then your attack service is a bit narrower
(well not exactly narrower.. just more battle-tested).

Cheers
;Daniel


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 So I need to set up a proxy server?

 On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 11:58:00 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:

 TW doesn't need  MySQL + PHP + Perl

 So you basically would have enough with an xa Apache environment and
 apache set up as a proxy.

 Do you want to expose your node tw to the web?

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Re: [tw] Saving my Wiki online

2015-01-18 Thread Daniel Baird

We (by which I mean, the tiddlyspot people) put a Download button into your
wiki, but sometimes different themes or whatever cover it up.  It just
links to:

http://YOUR-SITE-NAME-HERE.tiddlyspot.com/download

..so if you go to that URL, perhaps by typing the /download bit onto the
end of the site URL you're already looking at, you'll get a download prompt.

(It's really just a link to your wiki, but we add a header to the server's
reply to tell your browser to save it instead of opening it.)

The right-click-and-download thing works perfectly also.


Cheers
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 I've just started using TiddlyWiki and have a question.

 How do I save my wiki that is on TiddlySpot and onto my own computer?

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Re: [tw] TW proselytism

2015-01-06 Thread Daniel Baird

On 7 January 2015 at 06:32, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear All,

 I had a tag-line idea, mentioned it in the hangout (but got it wrong!)

*as complex as you need, as simple as you dare  *



Maybe use powerful instead of complex?  It reduces the *complex--simple*
contrast a little, but I think the word complex induces a bit of a fear
response.

Actually on reflection, using powerful adds a syllable, which takes away
the nice iambic rhythm.  But maybe there's a phrasing that avoids saying
complex.

Hmm branding is hard :|


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[tw] [TW5] can I save tid files that get picked up by my wiki under node.js?

2014-12-12 Thread Daniel

I am running the node.js server on my computer and tried to write a tid 
file in my text editor to see if it gets picked up by tiddlywiki, but it 
doesn't. Is it possible to write tiddlers/.tid files that show up in the 
wiki?

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Re: [tw] [TW5] can I save tid files that get picked up by my wiki under node.js?

2014-12-12 Thread Daniel



On Friday, December 12, 2014 8:03:41 PM UTC+1, Andreas Hahn wrote:

  Am 12.12.2014 19:49, schrieb Daniel:
  
 I am running the node.js server on my computer and tried to write a tid 
 file in my text editor to see if it gets picked up by tiddlywiki, but it 
 doesn't. Is it possible to write tiddlers/.tid files that show up in the 
 wiki? 

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 Hi Daniel,

 assuming the tid files have the right format and are stored in the 
 tiddlers directory, any externally created .tid-files should appear as 
 tiddlers AFTER the node server is restarted.
 If you want them to pop up immediately, you should take a look at the API 
 the normal node-server provides to save tiddlers via web-request.

 /Andreas



Thank you Andreas for taking time to reply.

I was too quick, forgot to change the title to match the file name. I had 
taken a tid file changed some fields, renamed it, but not changed the title 
field. Now it works. Will be useful for me.

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[tw] Re: Having some trouble with the list filter

2014-12-10 Thread Daniel Caleb

First of all, thank you for all the responses... it is much appreciated. 

@Stephan: I'll include a visual of what I'm talking about:

Top-level Parent tag: ServDocs
  /  \
 / \
2nd level tags:   Postfix  |  Apache (extra tag: Action)
  /  \
 / \
3rd level:master.cf   |main.cf (extra tag: Action)

Ideally, I want to create a list of all tiddlers tagged Action under 
ServDocs. The problem I'm running into is that, as per the example, 
main.cf is not directly tagged ServDocs and is not being discovered as a 
child of that tag. 

@Jed: That worked and as you suspected only recurses two levels, which 
might be sufficient for my purposes - thank you none the less. And yes, 
your example is precisely this issue as well.

@Tobias: I am looking at taggly-tagging now... I think it may do what I 
want, it is also possible that some of it is over my head. But, I'll get 
back to you on that. So, in the process of trying to figure out a solution 
I've rearranged these tags a couple different ways. If I could get the 
filters to work the way I want, then I would use a single ACTION tag and 
sub-tags in the way you suggest. At the moment, I've been using Action.foo 
and Action.bar - which is clumsy but it's the only way I can separate out 
the different topics. I fell back to regex when I couldn't figure out the 
methodology of the filter command.

Thanks again!
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Re: [tw] Deploy tbGTD, mGSD, and dGSD on Node.js server

2014-12-09 Thread Daniel Baird

On 9 December 2014 at 20:15, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:

 UploadPlugin and its store.php script.  TW5 doesn't need UploadPlugin but
 can still use store.php.  It's a bit fiddly to set up, but you'll get it
 eventually.


 I think it's not that fiddly at all if you already have a webspace and
 know how to access it...



Actually you're right Tobias, setting up store.php is mostly getting the
file permissions right and isn't too bad.  Getting UploadPlugin into your
TWC and configured properly was the main fiddly bit.  And TW5 means you
don't need the plugin installed.. so yeah Chris, read Tobias' instructions
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Re: [tw] Deploy tbGTD, mGSD, and dGSD on Node.js server

2014-12-09 Thread Daniel Baird

On 10 December 2014 at 09:17, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Daniel,

Actually you're right Tobias, setting up store.php is mostly getting the
file permissions right and isn't too bad...

Although it works, I was not exactly sure, so far ...are these the
permission that are needed?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4oXJvzTpWQc/VIeCzAS_rzI/Br4/rBp0-zSHNFE/s1600/permissions.gif

that looks okay -- for store.php itself you just need the most restrictive
perms that let your webserver still be okay running it -- but I was really
referring to setting directory perms so your web server's user can write
out the tw html file, but you haven't allowed random jerks to write files
into your space. Once I left a Windows machine on a university network,
and came back in an hour to find a folder full of porn on the desktop O_0
...Students, eh.

One way is to make the wiki dir owned by the webserver user, and your
username group. Then it can be user and group readable and writable, which
just allows the web server and you.

It's especially tricky for beginners on shared hosting, where it's not
always easy to find the user the web server is running as. On the other
hand, if you're the one who wrote apache into your init.d, you probably
already know it's user :)

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[tw] Having some trouble with the list filter

2014-12-09 Thread Daniel Caleb

Hello, 

I'm not sure if it's my syntax or perhaps this functionality isn't present 
in the list filter. 

I want to filter all the tiddlers tagged with Tasks and then filter that 
list according to a regexp. So, far this is what I've come up with: 

$list filter=[tag[Tasks]regexp:tags[Action]]

In my use case, Action is a prefix; for instance I have tags with 
Action.phonecall and Action.SD. However the Action tags are not specific to 
the category they are in. So searching for Action.phonecall will return a 
large number of results. I want to filter the Action tags within a specific 
category, or in this case, a tag.

The above list filter works... kind of. It just doesn't return all the 
results. I've tried a large number of googles and variations... as well as 
reading the docs. I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this... 

Thanks!
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[tw] Re: Having some trouble with the list filter

2014-12-09 Thread Daniel Caleb

It's not a large list of results. However, I realized the tags that are 
shown are the top level of the tag hierarchy. I thought the tag[] filter 
would recurse through the tag structure.

I should probably explain myself further. The Action tag is sprinkled 
throughout my wiki and I also use the tags as a hierarchical structure - 
like the table of contents. So, for instance, Server Documentation is a tag 
with a great many subtags - that also have more subtags, etc. Ideally I 
want to find all subtags of Server Documentation that are also tagged 
Action. Is it possible to filter through all child tags of a parent?

Thanks for your time!
Daniel


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Re: [tw] Deploy tbGTD, mGSD, and dGSD on Node.js server

Chris,

Check out Roma's ongoing work to build a GTD tool in TW5:
http://gsd5.tiddlyspot.com/

Alternatively you could run any of the TWC-based GTD systems on
tiddlyspot.com, which I heard was run by these amazing guys who are
wonderful and handsome as well (disclaimer: I might be associated with
tiddlyspot).

Cheers
;Daniel



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 Hi Jeremy,

  I guess you're looking for a GTD solution that runs under Node.js?

 Well, I'm looking for a GTD solution that is not stuck on a single
 machine, hence the impulse toward Node.js and TiddlyWili is just so very
 slick!

 Chris.

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Re: [tw] Mermaid plugin?

At a previous job we used a graphviz plugin for MediaWiki, and having
diagrams that you can update right there in the source of your wiki pages
is a HUGE advantage compared to importing images from outside diagram tools.

And that was with graphviz, that was quite persnickety about syntax.
Mermaid's syntax lets you say:
TW[TiddlyWiki] to make the TW node a square box
TW(TiddlyWiki) to make the TW node a rounded-corner box
TW((TiddlyWiki)) to make the TW node a circle

That's awesome.  Somebody please make this a reality for TW...


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 from this article:

 Mermaid: Like Markdown for Diagrams
 http://dailyjs.com/2014/11/28/mermaid
 http://dailyjs.com/2014/11/28/mermaid/

 anybody know if there is a plugin already? looks like a useful addition...

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Re: [tw] [TW5] TW as front-end ?

I'd consider with an initial plan of just exporting the user/team data into
tiddler files each night.  You'd get a browsable user directory -- minimal
viable product, startup people would say -- and no need to write any custom
adaptors.  Once you see people using it, you can work out if it's worth
replacing your nightly export with something more live.

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 Hi Jeremy,

 Thanks for your feedback,

  Where's the external data coming from, and in what format? Do you want
 to sync changes to it back to the external data source?

 Data is mostly in databases, so my intend was to throw a web service in
 front of my data, and have a custom tiddlywebadaptor-like js to deal with
 it.
 There is no need to push data back to the source at first, but it may be
 a future option (for document tagging, for example).

 To be honest, I'm quite a beginner regarding TiddlyWiki : I used it for a
 while in the past, but stayed with the basics and didn't dig
 enough in it to achieve what I wanted. I can however see that it is really
 powerful and couldn't help to come back to it : so
 thanks to you and all contributors for building such a great product !

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Re: [tw] highlightJS, VBA and apostrophes for comments

Oh no, now we need plugins-for-plugins :)

On 9 December 2014 at 06:13, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote:

  However, while I seem to be able to tag code as VBA, it doesn't render
 correctly

 It took a bit of tracking down, but the explanation turned out to be
 straightforward: TiddlyWiki uses the default download of highlight.js which
 only includes a subset of all the supported languages. You can see the list
 by scrolling down on this page:

 https://highlightjs.org/download/

 There's a few ways we could deal with this so I've opened a ticket:

 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1211

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.


 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Thomas Hirsch thomas.hirsc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks for that Daniel, that's exactly what I meant.

 On Monday, 8 December 2014 06:57:49 UTC, Daniel Baird wrote:


 VBA (and I think VB.net?) should work like this though -- single-quote
 comments, double-quote strings.  It seems to work on the highlight.js demo
 page https://highlightjs.org/static/demo/

 ```vba

 ' mary george and mimi are people
 Dim mary As Person, george As Person, mimi As Person

 Set mary = New Person

 mary.initialize(Mary White, 1960/11/28)  ' Mary was born in 1960

 ```
 Doesn't work in the TW link you posted, Jeremy.

 ;Daniel



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 Hi Thomas

 The following procedure works for me:

 * Visit tiddlywiki.com/plugins/tiddlywiki/highlight
 * Create a new tiddler with the following content:

 ```vba
 Dim mary As Person, george As Person, mimi As Person

 Set mary = New Person

 mary.initialize('Mary White', '1960/11/28', 5, 'Very kind '  _

 'and loving, she loves cooking and taking care of the house')
 ```

 As far as I can tell, the highlighting is applied correctly if the
 language is specified as either vba or vbscript.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.



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 I appear to have discovered a rather annoying bug in the highlightJS
 plugin in TiddlyWiki. I am experimenting with making a small VBA reference
 using TW5. However, while I seem to be able to tag code as VBA, it doesn't
 render correctly. In VBA, comments are started with apostrophes, but in
 other languages apostrophes are used for strings, and the latter is what
 happens. As the HighlightJS demo page shows VBScript comments being
 rendered correctly, I suspect the issue is with TiddlyWiki.

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Re: [tw] Deploy tbGTD, mGSD, and dGSD on Node.js server