Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experts - comments on these Touch mods
Also if one set FLAC = PCM (disabled) you get another weird effect . If i do this in 7.6 i get mp3 if I synk Touch and an ip3k player and tries a 24/96 track. Maybe i have disable some more settings so that only choice that remains for the server is PCM. Just slightly curious ,when i tried with my SB3 it certainly did nothing i could hear. But I'm leaning on that it is hogwash anyway, using occams razor here. Is this is small differences we are talking about. An the mechanism we are talking about, low jitter vs even lower jitter when it's unclear exactly where jitter that could be heard by humans is a problem. And has anybody really measured a different jitter flac vs wav vs pcm . So any reasonable physical explanation is far fetched . So which is more likely when testing this in a *sighted* test *and*hearing a difference: 1. there is a real difference 2. you are a victim of some expectation bias, placebo whatever. the third option is that you hear no difference, there could still be one but it's to small to be heard . Which of these two is most unpredictable bug riddled and complex. And shows very limited repeatability when performing the same task over and over again. 1. The Touch 2. The Human brain This can be sorted out by using human ears to test, but augmented by statistics in controlled abx blind test. or by measurement . I don't have the means to perform an abx test or hardware good enough to run audiodiff maker especially with the required low jitter . But if anyone succeeds in this please report, then i would consider going the FLC PCM route If it can be shown, by a measurment that a tiny difference exist's in favor for using the FLAC PCM route i would also consider it, the difference may be very small. But if one is feeding your audiphile ocd, many small degradations here and there in your system could add up to something that could be heard. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79857 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
firedog;556042 Wrote: Mortslim- 1. Where's your apology for wasting our time on this? Finally, after all your numerous posts purporting to present the truth, all the legal,and all the ethical aspects...it turns out you were misinformed the whole time. The lesson: try getting the facts before you make all sorts of assumptions, esepecially in an area in which you don't have expertise. 2. And even after knowing you were wrong in the first place, you can't leave it alone. Stop beating a dead horse! This and other forums have established that HDTracks makes a good faith effort to provide authentic hi-res files, and they have said they will give refunds if a track turns out not to be true hi-res. We're all capable of deciding if the hi-res tracks are worth the money to us or not. We don't need your help. I'm sure, once again, you'll keep the thread going, because this seems to have developed into an odd obsession with you. It has for me too - an obsessive desire to stop receiving email updates with the nonsense you continually post on this thread. Please some of us, even if silent, are interested in this subject. I find quite weird your demand about an apology ... If you don't want to receive email updates about this thread, and feel like you are wasting your time (please do not speak for myself about my own time), may be you could stop subscription to this specific thread ? -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] USB Powered Hub
Hi! I've got a Lacie Rikiki (320GB) hooked up to my Touch and it works fine. When I press the screen while playing (Sometimes accidently) it changes the playing screen (amplifier etc...) and then a message says Squeezebox Server has Stopped. Then I start the server again, this is a bit of a pain. The memory usage is around 71% sometimes 80%. I was wondering, if I buy a USB powered Hub, will this help and take some memory usage off the touch and avoid the server stoppages? I also have a 1TB WD Elements but seems to be twice as slow as the Lacie 320GB. Another thing, after updating to the latest software, my thumbs from my mp3 tracks have disappeared.!? Thanks in advance! Ferdie PS. I love the Squeezebox Touch!!! -- Ferdie Ferdie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79877 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Brand New Touch Does Not Seem To Work
@Mark Miksis, I reconstructed the actual events of earlier that day once I realized that in spite of my disappointment there was something somewhat comical about the whole thing. No slight of hand or CGI whatsoever involved on my part. -- Apesbrain Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79826 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
mikkeldaase;556669 Wrote: The responses on the board is discouraging for potential touch buyers May be because that satisfied people are less prone to spend time about telling it. I have to say I use TinySC with a usb-powered, NTFS formated, Western Digital 500 GB 2.5 DD I have about 150 MB of flac files on it (and a lot of others files not related to audio in different directories) I am quite satisfied with it, and after the first scan (about 40 mns) everything is fine. I don't even talk about the very easy, fast, and efficient result when I use a 8 GB usb key -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
nicolas75;556674 Wrote: I have about 150 MB of flac files on it (and a lot of others files not related to audio in different directories, which is bad practice) Bragging about having ~5 FLAC songs play well on the Touch is not really a great endorsement ;). Did you mean to say 150GB? -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
nicolas75;556674 Wrote: May be because that satisfied people are less prone to spend time about telling it. I have to say I use TinySC with a usb-powered, NTFS formated, Western Digital 500 GB 2.5 DD I have about 150 GB of flac files on it (and a lot of others files not related to audio in different directories, which is bad practice) I am quite satisfied with it, and after the first scan (about 40 mns) everything is fine. I don't even talk about the very easy, fast, and efficient result when I use a 8 GB usb key Agree, As I have mentioned before, I set up a touch system running tinySC for a relative. With a WD (powered) 500GB USB drive. 54,000 mp3 files and it has worked perfectly since setup (4 or 5 weeks ago). The average TOUCH (or SB) user doesn't even know these forums exist. They buy it, set it up, it works, story over. This is not to discount that people have real issues. Most can be resolved (and most that I see are related to the USB DRIVE or the network). -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How large a music collection is too large for TinySC?
m1abrams;556675 Wrote: Bragging about having ~5 FLAC songs play well on the Touch is not really a great endorsement ;). Did you mean to say 150GB? Correct, that is 150 GB -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79212 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] WD Elements 1TB - Any good with Touch?
carib;556376 Wrote: Peter, I eventually decided to buy a small 320GB 2.5 hdd. I want my whole music collection to be available so I decided to use a pc as SqueezeboxServer. Up till now this works problemfree (and even faster although using wifi :) ) -- PeterLosseSchoenveter PeterLosseSchoenveter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38451 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Jumbo Chumby released - Compliments Touch
hehe... it's butt simple and can run completely local. It does have media services from Chumby and others, but it has a realtime clock so you don't need a server for time. The music services like Pandora and Shoutcast don't require a server anywhere. It does have a UPnP client, but this release is only photo's and video's. Upcoming software should include music support. It's really just a giant hackable Chumby so you can build and run anything you want on it. SqueezePlay would be a nice port ;) -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79871 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Brand New Touch Does Not Seem To Work
Sounds like he's been given the ringer...Am I wrong? :) -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79826 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] iTunes and Artwork
westiebj;556032 Wrote: This is an excellent little script .. worked first time and really fast on my Windows7 library ... however my main library is on a mac with mac osx .. can anybody advise how i can run a .js script ? ... doesnt work in the usual bash sh etc ... Thanks for any advice as this seems to be the answer to all my artwork problems Rgds Fred Try this Applescript: http://dougscripts.com/itunes/2009/09/updated-save-album-art-to-album-folder-v2-0/ Note: I have not tried this script, so I cannot comment on it. -- Tony T Tony #63743; SBTouch #9834; SBRadio #9836; Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Brand New Touch Does Not Seem To Work
iPhone;556597 Wrote: I have bought about 15 things from Amazon over the years and all were delivered perfectly. But I do know this can't always be the case no matter how hard a company tries. With the number of transactions that a company like Amazon processes, of course things won't go right 100% of the time. To me, how a company handles situations like tell a lot obout how good a company it is. Anybody can handle things when they are going well. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,060 songs, 2,656 albums, 484 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79826 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] post-update whiteout blues
I'm having an odd problem with my Touch after installing updates. After rebooting, it's as if the screen is set to white text on a white background: just an unreadable bright rectangle. Everything else is OK. It responds to both my finger and the remote, although I can't tell what it's doing, and it plays music quite happily when driven from the web GUI. This has now happened three times. The first time, I tried everything I could think of to get it back to normal, including a factory reset, before giving it up as bricked. I left it without power overnight, and was surprised to find it working just fine the next morning. The second time I just unplugged it and left it, again finding it working OK the next day. This time I re-applied power 30 mins, an hour, two hours and about 7 hours after installing the latest update, with no luck. The following morning it was back to normal. I'm trying to figure out what might be causing this. Might it be something to do with the ambient light sensors (solution: apply updates in total darkness), or might something be overheating while the flash is being rewritten during the update (solution: install update in refrigerator), or is this one of those wonderful intermittent faults which involve just a few misbehaving electrons, where just thinking about the fault can change the outcome? Any circumvention suggestions welcome. I guess I can live with this, but I wouldn't class it as a feature. :) -- pallfreeman pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My 24/96 stuttering problems are gone with latest server/firmware
Thanks :) I am an even happier camper now! -- Leigh Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79830 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experts - comments on these Touch mods
JohnSwenson;556585 Wrote: ...The suggestion that all you have to do is run ADM to tell you if there is any change is only valid if the AD converter you are using is significantly better than the Touch itself. From my tests I do know the Touch has significantly less than 50ps jitter. You are going to have to look far and wide to find an AD converter that has say 5ps of jitter so you can make meaningful measurements with ADM. You simply cannot make meaningful jitter measurements of a device with 30ps of jitter with test equipment that has 100ps. The results are completely meaningless. ADM is perfectly fine for detecting things like frequency response differences etc. But if you are making a hypothesis that some code change is somehow causing a change in jitter, and you want to use ADM to see if there is a change in the analog outs, the AD converter used HAS to have significantly lower jitter than the device under test... John S. John, I'm not sure I can agree with this. Jitter in/before the DAC manifests as changes in the frequency and amplitude content of the analogue output of the DAC (aka distortion!). The ADC (regardless of its intrinsic jitter, assuming it isn't horrendous) is accurate enough to capture these differences. If it's good enough to capture small variations in amplitude and frequency it's good enough. As has been repeatedly stated, if you get a deep, deep null ADM test it cannot happen by accident - it really does mean that the output is the same. If you don't get a null we can discuss the consequences until the cows come home :-) The fact that you can get deep null by playing the same track twice with no changes to the setup (with the ADC clock locked to the transport clock to eliminate clock drift) means that ADM does work. It also means that the ADC jitter effects are nulled out... IF jitter changes the analogue output of the DAC, then ADM will detect it. Anyway, I'm off to investigate these tweaks (except for disabling the screen!) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79857 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Internet radio artwork missing
Not sure, but I can say that on my end, I can't get album art on radio free colorado (just tried it; nice 192kbs stream though for classic rock!). I do get artwork with radioparadise. And this is not TOUCH related. For radiofreecolorado, I can't get artwork with the touch, controller, squeezeplay, or ipeng. Again, art OK for radioparadise. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79873 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experts - comments on these Touch mods
I'm a long time user of Squeezeboxes, first SB2 and now the Touch. I only use the digital output. In my opinion, Touch sounds much better than SB2 even a bit moded (transformer balanced output, filter chokes removed and linear supply). The sound has much more details, much better soundstage and much more bass strength for the main differences. I installed the Soundcheck's software modes. Big differences again I would describe it as at least three layers of veil removed, great. The attacks of drum or guitar are much faster and soundstage and low level details are much better. But I have a problem with this new sound, the bad records which sounded bad before now sound very bad! The opposite is true for the good ones. It is a bit hard to get accustom to this new sound I don't know if somebody shares this impression but with a lot of modern Hi-end systems music is reproduced like with a magnifier, every small detail can be heard as if it was miked from inches. This does not correspond to a real live musical performance. To resume, the mods doesn't change the sound of the Touch but the result depends on the system and ones preferences BTW I do not stream FLACs as PCM because I use Inguz plug-in and it gives me much more gains than reducing Touch CPU activity. The weakest link of a system is always the room. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79857 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experts - comments on these Touch mods
krzys;556750 Wrote: I'm a long time user of Squeezeboxes, first SB2 and now the Touch. I only use the digital output. In my opinion, Touch sounds much better than SB2 even a bit moded (transformer balanced output, filter chokes removed and linear supply). The sound has much more details, much better soundstage and much more bass strength for the main differences. I installed the Soundchekk's software modes. Big differences again I would describe it as at least three layers of veil removed, great. The attacks of drum or guitar are much faster and soundstage and low level details are much better. But I have a problem with this new sound, the bad records which sounded bad before now sound very bad! The opposite is true for the good ones. It is a bit hard to get accustom to this new sound I don't know if somebody shares this impression but with a lot of modern Hi-end systems music is reproduced like with a magnifier, every small detail can be heard as if it was miked from inches. This does not correspond to a real live musical performance. To resume, the mods doesn't change the sound of the Touch but the result depends on the system and ones preferences BTW I do not stream FLACs as PCM because I use Inguz plug-in and it gives me much more gains than reducing Touch CPU activity. The weakest link of a system is always the room. Chris That's the problem with fidelity - the truth can hurt :-) I've installed the tweaks. Will do some listening after the football (soccer) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79857 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup Getting the best from Touch
I wondered if I could run something past you guys, as I'm not sure if what I'm planning on doing is a good way to go. Your feedback would be appreciated. I used to run a Duet connected wirelessly to a HP ML115 G5 server running SBS and Inguz without room correction. The ML115 is very noisy and uses a lot of electricity. I then bought a Touch, initially for two reasons: native 24/96 support low jitter SPDIF out. I also fancied trying out TinySC, which seemed like a great way of getting the ML115 out of the equation. Anyway, TinySC is not quite up to scratch and doesn't sound quite as good as the output from SBS/Inguz. Also, the powered USB HDD enclosure I use has a fan and the HDD is not silent. What I want to do is set up a system optimized for the Touch sound quality that is silent in my living room. My proposed system is as follows. - A new low power silent PC in the living room running SBS and Inguz (with RC this time..) This will be either a Fit PC 2i or home built mini-ITX Atom D510 with a SSD/USB Flash Drive for OS. Maybe the new Tranquil PC box if I'm doing well financially. - The Touch with a wired connection to the new silent server. - A NAS storing my music in another room. This may be a Netgear WNDR3700 with my existing external HDD plugged in the back. Or a passively cooled QNAP NAS. My questions are: - Will this give me the sound quality benefits of linking the Touch and Server with a hard wired connection? - Will storing the music on a NAS negatively impact performance? Cheers -- badboygolf16v badboygolf16v's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup Getting the best from Touch
Yes, I do. -- badboygolf16v badboygolf16v's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup Getting the best from Touch
OK. My advice would be to put your music files onto a USB disk that is physically connected (via a USB port) to the computer (Fit/Atom etc) that is running SBS. I would then wire that computer to the router. This would all be outside of your listening room. Finally I would connect the Touch to the SBS PC via the router using wi-fi. This configuration SHOULD be trouble free (provided you can get good wi-fi signal strength from router to Touch) and will sound fine from an audio perspective. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Brand New Touch Does Not Seem To Work
garym;556708 Wrote: So bottom line: A quality experience all around. Full Disclosure: I bought stock in Amazon in 2008 (a 238% return over the last two years; too bad I only invested a little play money). As Warren Buffet says, invest in what you know and experience. Of course buying them AFTER the stock market crashed didn't hurt How bout stock in Logitech? ??? -- Ikabob Ikabob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32088 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79826 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup Getting the best from Touch
Take a close look at the specs of the low power silent PC and the requirements of Inguz DRC (http://inguzaudio.com/installation/). Inguz demands a lot more processing power than you'll usually find in that kind of pc. The system requirements indicate a 2GHz CPU is the minimum and other posts suggest that is really the _bare_ minimum. If you are going to store the library in another room (on a NAS), why not put the server in that other room as well? Then you wouldn't have to go with a fanless server, and you could get something that could run Inguz more comfortably and cost less. Wherever you locate things, aim to have at least the server connected to the network via ethernet (ie, wired). If you can wire the Touch as well, all the better. As for storing the music library on the NAS, I think the only performance hit you would run into is slower library scan times because it goes over the network instead of being handled locally on the server. But that shouldn't be a big worry unless you have an absolutely huge library. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Brand New Touch Does Not Seem To Work
toby10;556573 Wrote: Are you saying my SB Radio may not be authentic?? Suddenly all those My Radio doesn't work threads make sense... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79826 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup Getting the best from Touch
Thanks for the advice Phil. The only issue I have with that setup is that John Swenson recommends a wired connection from server to Touch for optimum sound quality. So I guess the question is, does accessing my music from the server wirelessly cause any performance issues? If I was going the WNDR3700 route, I could use Wireless N between the server and the music for improved speed. But would that be enough speed..? -- badboygolf16v badboygolf16v's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup Getting the best from Touch
Phil Leigh;556787 Wrote: OK. My advice would be to put your music files onto a USB disk that is physically connected (via a USB port) to the computer (Fit/Atom etc) that is running SBS. I would then wire that computer to the router. This would all be outside of your listening room. Finally I would connect the Touch to the SBS computer via the router using wi-fi. This configuration SHOULD be trouble free (provided you can get good wi-fi signal strength from router to Touch) and will sound fine from an audio perspective. Agree. I do basically this, with the only exception that my TOUCH is connected via ethernet back to the local network router. Server is in a back room closet, with attached USB drive containing music files). And computer is connected via ethernet to the router. The TOUCH is with the home theater setup. Same hidden server also serves music to my TRANSPORTER in music listening room and BOOM in bedroom. Transporter Boom both connected via ethernet. So to your point, getting noisy stuff out of the listening room is one of the nice features of the SB players. The server and disks can all be elsewhere so long as you have a good connection between the SB player and the server (either WIFI or ethernet). -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Brand New Touch Does Not Seem To Work
Phil Leigh;556792 Wrote: Suddenly all those My Radio doesn't work threads make sense... beautiful!! -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79826 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup Getting the best from Touch
aubuti;556790 Wrote: Take a close look at the specs of the low power silent PC and the requirements of Inguz DRC (http://inguzaudio.com/installation/). Inguz demands a lot more processing power than you'll usually find in that kind of pc. The system requirements indicate a 2GHz CPU is the minimum and other posts suggest that is really the _bare_ minimum. I've searched these forums and some people have indicated that Inguz works fine on an Atom. I know this contradicts the minimum specs somewhat. I may have to consider the new Tranquil PC or a Mac Mini 2010. aubuti;556790 Wrote: If you are going to store the library in another room (on a NAS), why not put the server in that other room as well? Then you wouldn't have to go with a fanless server, and you could get something that could run Inguz more comfortably and cost less. Wherever you locate things, aim to have at least the server connected to the network via ethernet (ie, wired). If you can wire the Touch as well, all the better. To be honest silent and low powered appeals no matter where the server or NAS is located. As I replied to Phil, I want to wire the server to the Touch because John Swenson has indicated this is a better option for sound quality. As for storing the music library on the NAS, I think the only performance hit you would run into is slower library scan times because it goes over the network instead of being handled locally on the server. But that shouldn't be a big worry unless you have an absolutely huge library. That doesn't sound like a show stopper, which is good news. -- badboygolf16v badboygolf16v's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup Getting the best from Touch
badboygolf16v;556793 Wrote: Thanks for the advice Phil. The only issue I have with that setup is that John Swenson recommends a wired connection from server to Touch for optimum sound quality. So I guess the question is, does accessing my music from the server wirelessly cause any performance issues? If I was going the WNDR3700 route, I could use Wireless N between the server and the music for improved speed. But would that be enough speed..? John and I disagree on this. I don't think there is any difference wired vs wi-fi on the DIGITAL output of the Touch. At the end of the day these are just opinions. You will have to decide... Of course, if you can wire it by all means do - you will have an even more trouble free setup :-) It's just that normally (unless your house is pre-wired with Cat5/6) it's a pain to pull ethernet through rooms. Wireless G is plenty of speed! N (router) is nice for range but not essential in most cases for bandwidth in regard to music. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experts - comments on these Touch mods
Good stuff Phil, Yours and Johns opinions are among the ones that matter I'd say. I certainly hear a good improvement..music flows better, better sense of musicians playing together rather than seperate sounds clashing. Timbre and tonal quality improved noticably too. Better clarity too, these improvements to me makes it more foot-tapping and involving. -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79857 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] My Brand New Touch Does Not Seem To Work
Ikabob;556788 Wrote: How bout stock in Logitech? ??? Hmmm, I didn't think about Logitech at the time. My criteria was very undervalued (relative to recent history) with lots of cash and low debt...i.e., companies that could survive the downturn. Let's see though. At the time I bought Amazon, I could have bought Logitech at $15.53/share. It is trading a few minutes ago at $15.42. So breakeven for this period. Amazon was $37.59 and now trading for about $123.71. My Apple has gone up 193% and netgear has gone up 99%. The best for me over this period was Starbucks...up 238%. but unfortunately, I didn't throw all my savings at my recession portfolio. It was just for a little fun as I normally just do mutual funds. However, even with play funds, the gains over the last two years more than pay for all my audio hardware, software, and music purchasesnot to mention all the live shows. And lest anyone thinks I know anything about this stuff (investing), I'd be happy to share my losses in 401K with you over the last few years! -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79826 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] post-update whiteout blues
pallfreeman;556713 Wrote: Any circumvention suggestions welcome. I guess I can live with this, but I wouldn't class it as a feature. :) Very nicely put. I'd return it as faulty... never heard of this behaviour before and I'm sure it isn't right. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79884 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] My Touch is loosing time
Hi, I've had a Touch for a few months now, and it's been great - except for one thing... The clock is loosing time. At present it is now about 8 mins slow. The time was correct when I first set it up and appeared to stay correct for a few weeks, but now is slowing dropping minutes. Anyone have/had this problem? Any suggestions on a fix? It's running stand-alone with the internal server (TinySC), with a USB hard drive attached. It's connected to the internet via a wired connection. I don't see any way to manually set the time or get it to re-sync over the internet. Thanks! -- AndyLR AndyLR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79894 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] WD Elements 1TB - Any good with Touch?
Hi Peter, I know you have things working now with an external server, but would it be all right to answer some questions? I'm trying to understand why some people are having such problems and I still don't have a good handle on why some people have major disconnection isssues. First off, is the drive getting its power from the USB bus or does it have its own power supply? If its bus powered have you tried running with a powered hub? Did that make any difference? There have been suggestions that these dropping connection issues are power related and that an external supply connection should fix them. Another possibility is the drive going to sleep on its own and dropping the connection. Most drives when they go to sleep just spin down the platter but leave the connection to the bus intact. There are some indications that this may not be the case for some drives. Have you tried playing with the drives sleep settings? Does turning sleep off altogether make the connection problems go away? These are the two scenarios that I know of that have been determined to be a prime cause in some cases. It would be really helpful to know if there is something else going on. Thanks, John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Hello all, After spending hours and hours reading reviews and forum posts on the Squeezebox touch, I have today bitten the bullet and ordered one. I have also ordered a 1TB external HDD as I intend (like many others) to attempt to use the Touch without a computer (except to rip my CD collection). I am of course very worried about about the many user reports of problems when using an external USB HDD, and admit that I have placed the order against my better judgement given the posts I have read. I am crossing my fingers that it will work, as it is exactly what I am looking for if it will work in this way. I really don't want to have the computer involved with my HiFi, apart from the initial ripping of CD albums. My main question is this: If I can fit my CD collection (or the majority of it) onto my HDD in Wav uncompressed format rather than FLAC will this reduce the strain on the Touch being used as a server and hence decrease my chances of running into issues with buffering, dropouts etc.? My CD collection is very roughly around 800 albums. I don't intend to use the album artwork feature and 99% of the files will be CD quality as my external DAC can't handle high def files, though I may get a few just to see how they sound through the Touch's DAC. The HDD won't be used for storing anything else apart from music for the Touch. The HDD I have ordered is : Toshiba StorE Alu 1TB External Hard Drive USB 2.0 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/145041 It runs from it's own power adapter which I realise is one possible problem area. If anyone has any comments on this external hard drives suitability also that would be great! Many thanks in advance for your time and comments -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
The touch plays FLAC natively, so not sure you gain anything with WAV files. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Changing My Server Setup Getting the best from Touch
I run the HP ML115 server with WHS and it is very quiet after the initial bootup. Mind you it is in a different room to my SB Touch. -- spile spile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37780 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79889 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Hello, Thanks for the reply. I am just getting my head around all of this. So lossless FLAC poses no greater stress on the Touch and TinySC than an uncompressed WAV? I thought that as it had to uncompress the FLAC file this ate up processing power. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
woodnut;556862 Wrote: Hello, Thanks for the reply. I am just getting my head around all of this. So lossless FLAC poses no greater stress on the Touch and TinySC than an uncompressed WAV? I thought that as it had to uncompress the FLAC file this ate up processing power. read this post (and thread). Note that the issue in most of this thread is when headphones are plugged in. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=535660postcount=25 Others should chime in, but if you are asking about whether the TOUCH running tinySC will work fine with FLAC, the answer is yes. The threads you are likely reading are more related to sound quality at the upper end of the quality perspective, of which it likely requires golden ears and very, very, very good equipment to detect these differences (and reasonable people even debate whether any of these differences, if they exist, are audible). You can drive yourself crazy thinking too hard about the threads on power supplies, CPU decoding interference, PCM vs FLAC vs WAV, etc. These topics are interesting, but way beyond the basic issue of will the TOUCH play bit perfect FLAC files well into either analog outputs or digital outputs using the tinySC software. A more important issue for you at the moment is the CD ripping itself. You want to do this once, and do it right. You need a secure ripper, preferably one with accuraterip. In windows, this means EAC or dbpoweramp (not itunes or WMP). I use dbpoweramp. Mp3tag will also be your friend for tag work after ripping, if needed. I rip to FLAC and then create mp3 copy for use on ipods, etc. And WAV doesn't have standard tagging. So FLAC is also better in that regard. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Many thanks Garym, It is not the quality of the playback that I am worried about at this moment but more the user reported issues when using an external hard disk with the touch. I have read many posts where larger libraries put too much strain on the Touch and TinySC causing dropouts, stutters, misreads, endless scans etc. I wondered if ripping in WAV would help with the Touch's underpowered processing capacity, especially with larger libraries. -- woodnut woodnut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
woodnut;556870 Wrote: Many thanks Garym, It is not the quality of the playback that I am worried about at this moment but more the user reported issues when using an external hard disk with the touch. I have read many posts where larger libraries put too much strain on the Touch and TinySC causing dropouts, stutters, misreads, endless scans etc. I wondered if ripping in WAV would help with the Touch's underpowered processing capacity, especially with larger libraries. I can't really answer the question based on personal knowledge. Hopefully someone else can chime in. I have a touch, but use my SbS to stream to it. I can say I set up a Touch for my brother and he uses the tinySC. He has a 500GB harddrive attached to it and has about 54,000 mp3 files and it works perfectly for him. you might search for IPHONE posts on this topic. I recall he had a beta touch and used the internal server for a very large FLAC library. edit: and I understand that much of the buffering, etc. was with hi-rez files. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] WD Elements 1TB - Any good with Touch?
JohnSwenson;556851 Wrote: Hi Peter, I know you have things working now with an external server, but would it be all right to answer some questions? I'm trying to understand why some people are having such problems and I still don't have a good handle on why some people have major disconnection isssues. First off, is the drive getting its power from the USB bus or does it have its own power supply? If its bus powered have you tried running with a powered hub? Did that make any difference? There have been suggestions that these dropping connection issues are power related and that an external supply connection should fix them. Another possibility is the drive going to sleep on its own and dropping the connection. Most drives when they go to sleep just spin down the platter but leave the connection to the bus intact. There are some indications that this may not be the case for some drives. Have you tried playing with the drives sleep settings? Does turning sleep off altogether make the connection problems go away? These are the two scenarios that I know of that have been determined to be a prime cause in some cases. It would be really helpful to know if there is something else going on. Thanks, John S. From time to time, I'm having problems with SD cards! :) Music would suddenly stop playing, music folder is not available anymore and I can not properly dismount the card. I'm getting a message that SD card can not be ejected since some process is still accessing it. Then I have to eject the card by force and I get the message that I shouldn't do it. I insert it again, scan process is done (again), I try to enter the music folder but it disappears! Sometimes I have to do the it three or four times before I can listen to some music. Sometimes everything is fine. :) -- Kuja Kuja's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77998 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
I have been using an attached hard drive for about a month now. Every weekend I add anywhere between 20 to 30 gb of music (50/50 mp3/FLAC) to the 200gb already stored on it from my music collection on my NAS. This is the same music that has always worked with my Touch/PC/NAS arrangement, except I deleted all the non-music files except for one cover.jpg for each directory. The attached drive uses external power because the Touch doesn't supply enough power for it to work right (not a big deal to me). I really haven't witnessed any buffering problems or error messages. So, I suggest, for quick and dirty ripping, rip to mp3 but if you want to conserve music quality rip to FLAC using moderate compression. -- carib carib's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34240 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and ALAC bit perfect
After many attempts I have given up on trying to get my Touch to play ALAC with Squeezebox Server on QNAP TS-219P. It works fine with SS on my MacMini, I will settle SS on the Mac even though it means keeping 2 machines on wth the MacMini on mapped to the QNAP NAS drive for music data. But at least it works. What I would really appreciate is if someone could list out the file format settings to ensure that ALAC is played optimally and not mysteriously transcoded to MP3 or something like that. I am sorry but all that faad or what naught is just Greek to me. Thanks -- agentsmith Main System: Source: Macbook Pro/M2Tech HiFace/Naim DAC/Teddy XPS Amplification: Naim 282/200/Hicap+Powerline/NAPSC Speakers: Harbeth Monitor 30 Bedroom System: SB2 or Airport Express + Meridian AD88 Missing my Transporter agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79899 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Jumbo Chumby released - Compliments Touch
USB DAC works :) -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79871 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB playback comlaints unfair
jcowling;552761 Wrote: Let me turn the question around. Let's say you have a collection of 15,000 FLAC files that cost over $10,000 and takes up about 300 gig plus album art. If you have that much music, you probably have an amp that cost say $1,500 speakers that cost $2,500 or more and who knows how much in cables and furniture for the system. You probably also have a at least $1,000 worth of computer equipment in your house and pay a monthly bill for internet and TV of over $100 per month plus maybe $15 dollars a month for Rhapsody. If you are like me, you also have a touch or IPhone with iPeng to run your Squeezeboxes. Now you like the Squeezebox concept and want to get the killer quality from playing those FLAC files through the latest Squeezebox. Is is reasonable to expect a Touch costing $299 to handle those 15,000 FLAC files through a USB powered hard drive with TinySC? That's like saying that my IPod should cost $300, be wireless, be open source, hold 300 gig of lossless files, play internet radio and many music services, have many free plug-ins, come with a remote control and have exceptional audio quality. My point is that you do get a lot for $300 with the Touch. You may not get a music player that can handle 15,000 files without a sever. I have no agenda or particular objective in mind. I don't see that that matters anyway. It is just opinion. (If I have any point of view it is that I would not like to see Squeezebox products go away. They offer the opportunity for great sound quality, convenience and flexibility that is hard to beat for anywhere near the price.) Fairness is not particularly conducive to quantification. Is it fair that someone makes $500,000 a year when others are starving? What should the income disparity be in the US? Should it be the same in India? Is it fair that I can't build a gas station next to your house? Is it fair that Apple doesn't tell me how large a PDF file I can view on an Ipad? Is it fair that Microsoft failed to tell me that I could not edit a complex 300 page book with lots of photographs and charts in Publisher? Is it fair that Logitech doesn't tell you how many music files TinySC can handle? None of these are simple issues that can be proven by garnering facts. My fairness point is that, I for one, am not upset or surprised that the Touch has trouble with some large music collections on at least some USB drives. As far as vilification, there are posts claiming that Logitech advertised the Touch as being capable of playing an unlimited number of files without the server and essentially accusing Logitech of false advertising. Those claims are not accurate, as others have pointed out. I am not, however, without sympathy for someone who buys a Touch to use at the office and plugs in a USB drive only to discovery that his collection is too big or his drive has some compatibility problem or his collection is poorly tagged for whatever reason. I would try a few things and if they didn't work, I would send it back for a refund. I have returned many products that didn't work out. Before long I will succumb to another interesting gadget. Thanks to all for making this an interesting thread. What is unfair is the title of this thread. It is laughable to suggest that for someone to post their real life experience with a product is unfair. Regardless of the size of the collection, this product does not work as advertised as far as the USB/TinySC goes. Plain and simple. It is rife with issues that many of us continue to experience. To say that the feature is half-baked would be kind. I can't even disconnect the hard drive without having to hard reset the unit to pick it up again. I have been using ALAC and I still can't it to play an entire song all the way through, although I just updated the unit to 7.6 on Friday, which I could swear I read around these parts had a fix for this issue. Most of us on here don't spend thousands on stereo equipment like you think we do if we have large music collections. We are simply looking for a solution that would prevent us from having to run a server or second computer constantly or painstakingly figure out how to setup a Sheevaplug. While I do consider myself somewhat computer savvy, some people, including myself, are unable to hack into to software on things like the Touch or even care to. Or just deal with issues like this. We just want something that works as advertised. Why even have a feature if it's not going to work correctly? -- metalbob metalbob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34128 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79199 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
Just my opinion, but if already in WAV, convert to FLAC. If ripping for the first time (or re-ripping) rip to FLAC at -5. Touch handles FLAC as native. And as for large HHD, it is my opinion that external powered drives are best. The issues I have seen with external drives have been the power saving features of those drives and how that affects the expected performance of the Touch as in if the drive goes to sleep or likes to spin down every couple of minutes. My large Seagate USB was giving me fits until I disabled all the power saving/sleep crap. If you run into issues, call or email Tech Support or tell us what is happening and the Forum Members will try to troubleshoot it. It was straight forward for me, but I was in the Beta and went through all the growing pains from the beginning when one had to SSH into the Touch to run lines of code to get it to mount the drive, scan the drive, start TinySC. Those days are now long gone. Sometimes I wish everybody could have used it back then to see really how far its come and all the work, ease, and features the guys have added now. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Standalone with HDD Which File Format?
woodnut;556852 Wrote: Hello all, After spending hours and hours reading reviews and forum posts on the Squeezebox touch, I have today bitten the bullet and ordered one. I have also ordered a 1TB external HDD as I intend (like many others) to attempt to use the Touch without a computer (except to rip my CD collection). I am of course very worried about about the many user reports of problems when using an external USB HDD, and admit that I have placed the order against my better judgement given the posts I have read. I am crossing my fingers that it will work, as it is exactly what I am looking for if it will work in this way. I really don't want to have the computer involved with my HiFi, apart from the initial ripping of CD albums. My main question is this: If I can fit my CD collection (or the majority of it) onto my HDD in Wav uncompressed format rather than FLAC will this reduce the strain on the Touch being used as a server and hence decrease my chances of running into issues with buffering, dropouts etc.? My CD collection is very roughly around 800 albums. I don't intend to use the album artwork feature and 99% of the files will be CD quality as my external DAC can't handle high def files, though I may get a few just to see how they sound through the Touch's DAC. The HDD won't be used for storing anything else apart from music for the Touch. The HDD I have ordered is : Toshiba StorE Alu 1TB External Hard Drive USB 2.0 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/145041 It runs from it's own power adapter which I realise is one possible problem area. If anyone has any comments on this external hard drives suitability also that would be great! Many thanks in advance for your time and comments By using a powered drive it's plausible that you bypassed most of the troubles peoples are seeing, many USB powered drives are notUSB certified and draws more power than the USB standard specifies and the Touch can provide (many pc's actually provides more power than standard) . Look here: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_as_a_Home_Music_Server http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Setting_Up_Squeezebox_Touch_Server Choosing FLAC as file formats is good to, given thats it's the format with best support in squeezeboxes and squeezeboxserver . Encoding thoose at -5 and use reasonable sized cover art 500*500 in jpg format. Organize the albums in folders on the drive artis/albums/songs and put a cover.jpg file in each folder (this being the cover art), Maybe you should not embed cover art in each file but use the cover.jpg approach, nothing wrong with embedded art (I use it all the time) but Touch as a server is not that fast so scanning takes time . If you use EAC or dBp + mp3tag you will get you metadata in order pls do not mix tagging standards in the files Ie both FLAC tags and id3v(1) tags in the same file . Do not bother with cue sheets and whatnots . WAV and tagging is not that well supported . Oh the wiki links might not be perfectly up to date the do some changes from time to time. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE for the rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79896 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
