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Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" Another beauty: TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet." Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the following questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?> 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?> 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?> 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.> 20. Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe> chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?> 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.> 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament> concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the> flesh?> 23. In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ?> And, what do we Christians do?> 24. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?> 25. Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deityof> Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A__> and O___ , the _ and the ___:">> Conclusion: Little space is provided for your answers, but it's much more> than needed. If you followed the instructions above, you not only failedthe> test, you receive a big goose egg. So now what do you think of your> "accurate, easy-to-understand, up-to-date Bible"? If these 25 questions> haven't served to show you that the NIV is a very inferior Bible, based ona> very inferior Greek text, write me and I'll make up another quiz with 25> more questions, or 250, if you wish; but you will still flunk the text. If> you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take> this test using the Authorized (King J
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How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" Another beauty: TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet." Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the following questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?> 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?> 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?> 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.> 20. Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe> chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?> 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.> 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament> concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the> flesh?> 23. In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ?> And, what do we Christians do?> 24. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?> 25. Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deityof> Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A__> and O___ , the _ and the ___:">> Conclusion: Little space is provided for your answers, but it's much more> than needed. If you followed the instructions above, you not only failedthe> test, you receive a big goose egg. So now what do you think of your> "accurate, easy-to-understand, up-to-date Bible"? If these 25 questions> haven't served to show you that the NIV is a very inferior Bible, based ona> very inferior Greek text, write me and I'll make up another quiz with 25> more questions, or 250, if you wish; but you will still flunk the text. If> you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take> this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible .> by Rex L. Cobb>> NIV Reader: Do you have enough confidence in the NIV to...> tell God, OUT LOUD, that the NIV is correct in deleting> these words (64,098 words to be exact) & phrases?>>> --> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt
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Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" Another beauty: TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet." Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?> 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?> 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?> 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.> 20. Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe> chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?> 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.> 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament> concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the> flesh?> 23. In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ?> And, what do we Christians do?> 24. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?> 25. Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deityof> Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A_
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JD says Whats the problem?? Oh that is right, I forgot you already use the same "bible" as the Jehovah's Witnesses[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" Another beauty: TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet." Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?> 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?> 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?> 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.> 20. Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe> chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?> 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.> 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament> concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the> flesh?> 23. In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ?> And, what do we Christians do?> 24. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in Fir
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A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -----Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" Another beauty: TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet." Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In J
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Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -----Original Message-----From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" Another beauty: TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet." Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet
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If the tables were turned, right now you would be posting that I AM A LIAR. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD says Whats the problem?? Oh that is right, I forgot you already use the same "bible" as the Jehovah's Witnesses[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" Another beauty: TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet." Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?> 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?> 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?> 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.> 20. Study Acts 24:6- 8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe> chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?> 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.> 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New
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JD says a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old 2005 -1611 394 is not nearly 300! JD had a MATH'0'glycemic attack again![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -----Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" Another beauty: TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet." Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave t
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What does your question have to do with the fact that you use the same BIBLE as the cult the Jehovahs Witnesses?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the tables were turned, right now you would be posting that I AM A LIAR. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD says Whats the problem?? Oh that is right, I forgot you already use the same "bible" as the Jehovah's Witnesses[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" Another beauty: TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet." Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?> 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?> 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?> 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?> 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.> 20. Study Acts 24:6- 8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe> chief captain's name? What did the chief ca
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JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1) Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee. JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired. You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2) JD says Silly.. The only thing silly around here is your spelling! By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical" What? "bordiering" ? JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic? TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html "Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) " JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY! Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." How do I know which Bible is TRUE? It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it. ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE! Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies. Facts are stubborn things! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a reb
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As I have said before -- right about now, if the tables were reversed, you would be calling me a liar. And, once again, a post with aboslutely no redeeming value. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:18:53 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz What does your question have to do with the fact that you use the same BIBLE as the cult the Jehovahs Witnesses?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the tables were turned, right now you would be posting that I AM A LIAR. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD says Whats the problem?? Oh that is right, I forgot you already use the same "bible" as the Jehovah's Witnesses[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" Another beauty: TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet." Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test.> I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk.> David Miller.>> ---> NIV BIBLE QUIZ>> INSTRUCTIONS:> Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV),> answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your> memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must> take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from> footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.).>> 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, > them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem> that __ and persecute you."> 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis> type of devil?> 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?> 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?> 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere> fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew> 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast> out devils and to:> 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear?> 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter,> etc.). What is his title or last name?> 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?> 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis> verse, what did He come to do?> 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?> 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription> written?> 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?> 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.> According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?> 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4
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z -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1) Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee. JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired. You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2) JD says Silly.. The only thing silly around here is your spelling! By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical" What? "bordiering" ? JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic? TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html "Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) " JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY! Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." How do I know which Bible is TRUE? It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it. ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE! Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies. Facts are stubborn things! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From:
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Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JD
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JD Seems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?" "course, I could be wrong. Possibly continuous sin should be excused for any number of reasons. Only, of course, until Jesus gradually gives them the power to overcome. Terry
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Facts are stubborn things! The issue is The Newe Bibles are corrupt. They have been tampered with. They teach False DOCTRINE and are filled with outright Lies! As usual you just Mistype your FALSE assertions Since you can not back them up, you AVOID the issue. This happens every time you run out of Straw Men! It is no wonder that your doctrine is so messed up after all you use the same bible as JW's! z Is your TYPOglycemia stuck? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: z -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1) Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee. JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired. You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2) JD says Silly.. The only thing silly around here is your spelling! By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical" What? "bordiering" ? JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic? TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html "Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) " JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY! Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." How do I know which Bible is TRUE? It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it. ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE! Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies. Facts are stubborn things! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared a
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Doctrine from your JW Bible?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JD Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out!
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JD, we have a very talented man in our congregation who struggles with alcoholism. He is welcomed to fellowship and attends while he is getting treatment, and has a close relationship with many in leadership, but he is not allowed to act as a leader in the church. He understands and accepts this willingly. Hopefully he will overcome and one day return to a leadership position. OTOH, if he rejected getting treatment I do not think he would be so welcomed into fellowship, as he would be willfully rebelling against doing all that he can to repent. He would be counseled as long as he would receive it, but if he stopped receiving it he would be rebuked privately I think. No one looks down on the man’s struggles, but he is expected to work at changing. I don’t know the particulars, or how it will be determined when he is ready to return to leadership, but I do know the pastors hold him accountable in love. I look forward to his complete deliverance through Jesus. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:46 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JD
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Yes, Terry. And that is all that I am saying, here. sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help. We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation. For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action. An operation is soon in the offing. But during this period, I have had to continue to work. About six hours or so is all I can stand. What has happened is this: the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on its own -- painful as that might be. ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin (and we all have them). Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern. No one is. I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license. But it really is not. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin. Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God. -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:19:18 -0500Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JDSeems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?""course, I could be wrong. Possibly continuous sin should be excused for any number of reasons. Only, of course, until Jesus gradually gives them the power to overcome.Terry
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z When you have something worthwhile to discuss, count me in. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:27:28 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Facts are stubborn things! The issue is The Newe Bibles are corrupt. They have been tampered with. They teach False DOCTRINE and are filled with outright Lies! As usual you just Mistype your FALSE assertions Since you can not back them up, you AVOID the issue. This happens every time you run out of Straw Men! It is no wonder that your doctrine is so messed up after all you use the same bible as JW's! z Is your TYPOglycemia stuck? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: z -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1) Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee. JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired. You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2) JD says Silly.. The only thing silly around here is your spelling! By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical" What? "bordiering" ? JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic? TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html "Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) " JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY! Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." How do I know which Bible is TRUE? It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it. ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE! Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies. Facts are stubborn things! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most ce
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"a host of scholars and translation committees" Dr. Marten Woudstra, Sodomite, Homo, and Chairman of the NIV Old Testament Committee http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/woudstra.htm "the work of Catholic scholars " The work of catholics is strangling and burning at the stake! NOT ONE CATHOLIC The First Westminister Company--translated the historical books, beginning with Genesis and ending with the Second Book of Kings. Dr. Lancelot Andrews Dr. John Overall Dr. Hadrian Saravia Dr. Richard Clarke, Dr. John Laifield, Dr. Robert Tighe, Francis Burleigh, Geoffry King, Richard Thompson Dr. William Bedwell The Cambridge Company--translated Chronicles to the end of the Song of Songs. Edward Lively, Dr. John Richardson, Dr. Lawrence Chaderton Francis Dillingham, Dr. Roger Andrews, Thomas Harrison, Dr. Robert Spaulding, Dr. Andrew Bing The Oxford Company--translated beginning of Isaiah to the end of the Old Testament. Dr. John Harding, Dr. John Reynolds Dr. Thomas Holland, Dr. Richard Kilby Dr. Miles Smith, Dr. Richard Brett, Daniel Fairclough The Second Oxford Company--translated the four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, and the Revelation of St. John the Divine. Dr. Thomas Ravis, Dr. George Abbot Dr. Richard Eedes, Dr. Giles Tomson, Sir Henry Savile Dr. John Peryn, Dr. Ralph Ravens, Dr. John Harmar The Fifth Company of Translators at Westminster--translated all of the Epistles of the New Testament Dr. William Barlow, Dr. John Spencer, Dr. Roger Fenton, Dr. Ralph Hutchinson, William Dakins, Michael Rabbet, [Thomas(?)] Sanderson The Sixth Company of Translators at Cambridge translated the apocryphal books. Dr. John Duport, Dr. William Brainthwaite, Dr. Jeremiah Radcliffe Dr. Samuel Ward Dr. Andrew Downes, John Bois Dr. John Ward, Dr. John Aglionby, Dr. Leonard Hutten Dr. Thomas Bilson, Dr. Richard Bancroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -----Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" Another beauty: TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet." Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IFF God 'works through' the disparate characte
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I do believe that leaders in the church should have their act together -- to a greater degree than most, after all they are "leaders." Your describption below is commedable. Hopefully, there are those within your church who have partnered with this man and are a part of his live. JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:41:21 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD, we have a very talented man in our congregation who struggles with alcoholism. He is welcomed to fellowship and attends while he is getting treatment, and has a close relationship with many in leadership, but he is not allowed to act as a leader in the church. He understands and accepts this willingly. Hopefully he will overcome and one day return to a leadership position. OTOH, if he rejected getting treatment I do not think he would be so welcomed into fellowship, as he would be willfully rebelling against doing all that he can to repent. He would be counseled as long as he would receive it, but if he stopped receiving it he would be rebuked privately I think. No one looks down on the man’s struggles, but he is expected to work at changing. I don’t know the particulars, or how it will be determined when he is ready to return to leadership, but I do know the pastors hold him accountable in love. I look forward to his complete deliverance through Jesus. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:46 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JD
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JD says what IS sin? James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.Does not leave a WIDE latitude for you.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Terry. And that is all that I am saying, here. sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help. We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation. For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action. An operation is soon in the offing. But during this period, I have had to continue to work. About six hours or so is all I can stand. What has happened is this: the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on its own -- painful as that might be. ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin (and we all have them). Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern. No one is. I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license. But it really is not. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin. Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God. -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:19:18 -0500Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JDSeems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?""course, I could be wrong. Possibly continuous sin should be excused for any number of reasons. Only, of course, until Jesus gradually gives them the power to overcome.Terry__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good people there. I bet I can find a sodomite in your church, Kevin. Or maybe an alcholic or two -- if I were a weaker person, you would certainly drive me to drink. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:48:19 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz "a host of scholars and translation committees" Dr. Marten Woudstra, Sodomite, Homo, and Chairman of the NIV Old Testament Committee http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/woudstra.htm "the work of Catholic scholars " The work of catholics is strangling and burning at the stake! NOT ONE CATHOLIC The First Westminister Company--translated the historical books, beginning with Genesis and ending with the Second Book of Kings. Dr. Lancelot Andrews Dr. John Overall Dr. Hadrian Saravia Dr. Richard Clarke, Dr. John Laifield, Dr. Robert Tighe, Francis Burleigh, Geoffry King, Richard Thompson Dr. William Bedwell The Cambridge Company--translated Chronicles to the end of the Song of Songs. Edward Lively, Dr. John Richardson, Dr. Lawrence Chaderton Francis Dillingham, Dr. Roger Andrews, Thomas Harrison, Dr. Robert Spaulding, Dr. Andrew Bing The Oxford Company--translated beginning of Isaiah to the end of the Old Testament. Dr. John Harding, Dr. John Reynolds Dr. Thomas Holland, Dr. Richard Kilby Dr. Miles Smith, Dr. Richard Brett, Daniel Fairclough The Second Oxford Company--translated the four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, and the Revelation of St. John the Divine. Dr. Thomas Ravis, Dr. George Abbot Dr. Richard Eedes, Dr. Giles Tomson, Sir Henry Savile Dr. John Peryn, Dr. Ralph Ravens, Dr. John Harmar The Fifth Company of Translators at Westminster--translated all of the Epistles of the New Testament Dr. William Barlow, Dr. John Spencer, Dr. Roger Fenton, Dr. Ralph Hutchinson, William Dakins, Michael Rabbet, [Thomas(?)] Sanderson The Sixth Company of Translators at Cambridge translated the apocryphal books. Dr. John Duport, Dr. William Brainthwaite, Dr. Jeremiah Radcliffe Dr. Samuel Ward Dr. Andrew Downes, John Bois Dr. John Ward, Dr. John Aglionby, Dr. Leonard Hutten Dr. Thomas Bilson, Dr. Richard Bancroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30:
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I don't sweat it -- I have been saved by grace, giving me all the time I need to solve the problems my sins have created. Ditto for you, if you want to take advantage of the gift !!! And -- is this the only definition you have for "sin." JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:52:01 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD says what IS sin? James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.Does not leave a WIDE latitude for you.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Terry. And that is all that I am saying, here. sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help. We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation. For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action. An operation is soon in the offing. But during this period, I have had to continue to work. About six hours or so is all I can stand. What has happened is this: the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on its own -- painful as that might be. ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin (and we all have them). Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern. No one is. I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license. But it really is not. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin. Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God. -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:19:18 -0500Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JDSeems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?""course, I could be wrong. Possibly continuous sin should be excused for any number of reasons. Only, of course, until Jesus gradually gives them the power to overcome.Terry __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help. How do you do it? Once again, JD, you are in direct conflict with God’s Word: 1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin. Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God. “Management” of sin is still sin. Having longer and longer periods of time between incidents of heroine still leaves you an addict. Longer periods between incidents of adultery still leaves you with an adulterer. Gluttons are still gluttons between banana splits. Liars are still liars between lies. No one has “healthy aspects of their lives with God,” when they are “managing sin”. A heroine addict needs to be institutionalized until he is clean, and then he needs to be in constant follow up counseling until he can stay clean on his own for good. Only Christ can set us free from besetting sins—not sin management. Your theology has no power to deliver from sin; only to “manage” it. Izzy
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Freudian slip, JD? Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:55 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good people there. JD
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JD, maybe YOU have all the time in the world to solve the problems your sins have created, but what about EVERYONE ELSE they affect? Iz I don't sweat it -- I have been saved by grace, giving me all the time I need to solve the problems my sins have created. JD
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A couple of the pastors are close to him. I didn’t see him at church at all for a long time, but have been encouraged that he was there recently. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:52 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz I do believe that leaders in the church should have their act together -- to a greater degree than most, after all they are "leaders." Your describption below is commedable. Hopefully, there are those within your church who have partnered with this man and are a part of his live. JD -Original Message- From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:41:21 -0500 Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD, we have a very talented man in our congregation who struggles with alcoholism. He is welcomed to fellowship and attends while he is getting treatment, and has a close relationship with many in leadership, but he is not allowed to act as a leader in the church. He understands and accepts this willingly. Hopefully he will overcome and one day return to a leadership position. OTOH, if he rejected getting treatment I do not think he would be so welcomed into fellowship, as he would be willfully rebelling against doing all that he can to repent. He would be counseled as long as he would receive it, but if he stopped receiving it he would be rebuked privately I think. No one looks down on the man’s struggles, but he is expected to work at changing. I don’t know the particulars, or how it will be determined when he is ready to return to leadership, but I do know the pastors hold him accountable in love. I look forward to his complete deliverance through Jesus. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 4:46 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JD
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Actually, I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I frequently transpose two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I guess. But, I do it a lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and Kevin pointed out are nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you can see past the typos and you know what he intended to type. Peryr From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:01:18 -0500 Freudian slip, JD? Iz _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:55 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good people there. JD -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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The point that I was trying to get you to see for yourself is that though growth as a Christian is a continuous thing, sin stops when we die to self. My old self cursed and hated with the best of them. I drank from two to four six packs a day. I lusted in my heart. I dipped snuff and defiled my body. But when I died to self, that stuff went, and it did not go gradually. When Jesus says, "You are forgiven. Go and sin no more", only the most selfish persons could consider what Christ did for them and not respond in obedience. I know that. It is a fact. I have never been more certain of anything in my life. Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Terry. And that is all that I am saying, here. sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help. We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation. For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action. An operation is soon in the offing. But during this period, I have had to continue to work. About six hours or so is all I can stand. What has happened is this: the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on its own -- painful as that might be. ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin (and we all have them). Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern. No one is. I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license. But it really is not. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin. Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God. -Original Message- From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.org Sent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:19:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JD Seems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?" "course, I could be wrong. Possibly continuous sin should be excused for any number of reasons. Only, of course, until Jesus gradually gives them the power to overcome. Terry
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Sometimes the typos are too good to ignore! "-) Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 6:28 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Actually, I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I frequently transpose two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I guess. But, I do it a lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and Kevin pointed out are nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you can see past the typos and you know what he intended to type. Peryr >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:01:18 -0500 > > > >Freudian slip, JD? Iz > > _ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:55 PM >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > > > >Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good >people there. > > > >JD > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Even if we had 2 SODOMites in our church I would not use a SODOMite Bible! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good people there. I bet I can find a sodomite in your church, Kevin. Or maybe an alcholic or two -- if I were a weaker person, you would certainly drive me to drink. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:48:19 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz "a host of scholars and translation committees" Dr. Marten Woudstra, Sodomite, Homo, and Chairman of the NIV Old Testament Committee http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/woudstra.htm "the work of Catholic scholars " The work of catholics is strangling and burning at the stake! NOT ONE CATHOLIC The First Westminister Company--translated the historical books, beginning with Genesis and ending with the Second Book of Kings. Dr. Lancelot Andrews Dr. John Overall Dr. Hadrian Saravia Dr. Richard Clarke, Dr. John Laifield, Dr. Robert Tighe, Francis Burleigh, Geoffry King, Richard Thompson Dr. William Bedwell The Cambridge Company--translated Chronicles to the end of the Song of Songs. Edward Lively, Dr. John Richardson, Dr. Lawrence Chaderton Francis Dillingham, Dr. Roger Andrews, Thomas Harrison, Dr. Robert Spaulding, Dr. Andrew Bing The Oxford Company--translated beginning of Isaiah to the end of the Old Testament. Dr. John Harding, Dr. John Reynolds Dr. Thomas Holland, Dr. Richard Kilby Dr. Miles Smith, Dr. Richard Brett, Daniel Fairclough The Second Oxford Company--translated the four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, and the Revelation of St. John the Divine. Dr. Thomas Ravis, Dr. George Abbot Dr. Richard Eedes, Dr. Giles Tomson, Sir Henry Savile Dr. John Peryn, Dr. Ralph Ravens, Dr. John Harmar The Fifth Company of Translators at Westminster--translated all of the Epistles of the New Testament Dr. William Barlow, Dr. John Spencer, Dr. Roger Fenton, Dr. Ralph Hutchinson, William Dakins, Michael Rabbet, [Thomas(?)] Sanderson The Sixth Company of Translators at Cambridge translated the apocryphal books. Dr. John Duport, Dr. William Brainthwaite, Dr. Jeremiah Radcliffe Dr. Samuel Ward Dr. Andrew Downes, John Bois Dr. John Ward, Dr. John Aglionby, Dr. Leonard Hutten Dr. Thomas Bilson, Dr. Richard Bancroft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Sub
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jd saz z Zech 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. You are so Biblical! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: z -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1) Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee. JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired. You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2) JD says Silly.. The only thing silly around here is your spelling! By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical" What? "bordiering" ? JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic? TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html "Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) " JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY! Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." How do I know which Bible is TRUE? It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it. ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE! Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies. Facts are stubborn things! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
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what IS sin? What IS is? ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help. How do you do it? Once again, JD, you are in direct conflict with Gods Word: 1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin. Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God. Management of sin is still sin. Having longer and longer periods of time between incidents of heroine still leaves you an addict. Longer periods between incidents of adultery still leaves you with an adulterer. Gluttons are still gluttons between banana splits. Liars are still liars between lies. No one has healthy aspects of their lives with God, when they are managing sin. A heroine addict needs to be institutionalized until he is clean, and then he needs to be in constant follow up counseling until he can stay clean on his own for good. Only Christ can set us free from besetting sinsnot sin management. Your theology has no power to deliver from sin; only to manage it. Izzy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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FRAUDianglycemia strikes again ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Freudian slip, JD? Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:55 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good people there. JD __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I don't sweat it If you do NOT DO what you know is right, it is SIN Plain & simple. BUT you already knew that, you want to obscure it so you can claim ignorance. "What is Sin?" The MIINISTER of Questions (1 Tim 1:4) reminds me of: JN 18:38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? Some kin to Pilate are ya?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't sweat it -- I have been saved by grace, giving me all the time I need to solve the problems my sins have created. Ditto for you, if you want to take advantage of the gift !!! And -- is this the only definition you have for "sin." JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:52:01 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD says what IS sin? James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.Does not leave a WIDE latitude for you.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Terry. And that is all that I am saying, here. sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help. We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation. For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action. An operation is soon in the offing. But during this period, I have had to continue to work. About six hours or so is all I can stand. What has happened is this: the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on its own -- painful as that might be. ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin (and we all have them). Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern. No one is. I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license. But it really is not. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin. Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God. -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:19:18 -0500Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JDSeems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?""course, I could be wrong. Possibly continuous sin should be excused for any number of reasons. Only, of course, until Jesus gradually gives them the power to overcome.Terry __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Yes I understand what he meant to TYPO. Just seems more than usual.Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I frequently transpose two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I guess. But, I do it a lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and Kevin pointed out are nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you can see past the typos and you know what he intended to type.Peryr>From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>To: >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz>Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:01:18 -0500>>>>Freudian slip, JD? Iz>> _>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:55 PM>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz>>>>Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good>people there.>>>>JD>--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Kevin Deegan wrote: Even if we had 2 SODOMites in our church I would not use a SODOMite Bible! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good people there. I bet I can find a sodomite in your church, Kevin. Or maybe an alcholic or two -- if I were a weaker person, you would certainly drive me to drink. === There is one Church. It belongs to Jesus, and there are no sodomites in it. Perhaps y'all are talking about congregations or buildings?
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Kevin Deegan wrote: jd saz z Zech 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. You are so Biblical! ROFL, or as Izzy would say, J
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Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html JD says NO Doctrine is altered Let's see. AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]" WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..." No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery! Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT & NIV say DIVINE BEING WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST." DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped." REMOVES ALPHA & OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches." Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
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I am missing two fingers on my right hand. When I get to typing -- stuff happens. But no, it is not a Freudian slip -- it was a typo. -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:27:44 -0700Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Actually, I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I frequently transpose two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I guess. But, I do it a lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and Kevin pointed out are nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you can see past the typos and you know what he intended to type. Peryr >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:01:18 -0500 > > > >Freudian slip, JD? Iz > > _ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:55 PM >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > > > >Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good >people there. > > > >JD > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Do you understand that I believe that "event sin" can be stop immediately but other types of sin cannot? There are addictions, character failures such as pride and selfishness that are the foundation for other sin AND are listed as sin (selfishness is a sin but it is not an event). There are sins of omission when we should be doing something and we choose not to. Some sins stop -- but others only decrease in influence. Some may never be completely gone. It is my opinion that there is absolutely no alternative to this -- that those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I - and I believe I have a sound biblical argument for my point of view, not to mention the practical argument. Much of nearly every letter saved for us in the NT scriptures contains encouragement to the saints regarding the continuing battle against sin - letters written to those who are in the family of God. JD -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:36:33 -0500Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz The point that I was trying to get you to see for yourself is that though growth as a Christian is a continuous thing, sin stops when we die to self. My old self cursed and hated with the best of them. I drank from two to four six packs a day. I lusted in my heart. I dipped snuff and defiled my body. But when I died to self, that stuff went, and it did not go gradually. When Jesus says, "You are forgiven. Go and sin no more", only the most selfish persons could consider what Christ did for them and not respond in obedience. I know that. It is a fact. I have never been more certain of anything in my life.Terry[EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Yes, Terry. And that is all that I am saying, here. sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help. We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation. For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action. An operation is soon in the offing. But during this period, I have had to continue to work. About six hours or so is all I can stand. What has happened is this: the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on its own -- painful as that might be. ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin (and we all have them). Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern. No one is. I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license. But it really is not. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin. Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God. -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:19:18 -0500Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JDSeems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?""course, I could be wrong. Possibly continuous sin should be excused
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z -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:29:47 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz jd saz z Zech 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. You are so Biblical! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: z -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1) Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee. JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired. You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2) JD says Silly.. The only thing silly around here is your spelling! By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical" What? "bordiering" ? JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic? TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html "Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) " JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY! Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." How do I know which Bible is TRUE? It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it. ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE! Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies. Facts are stubborn things! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the bl
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I guess I could do the same with you all -- just not interested in the little things like should be. Jd -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:51:20 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Sometimes the typos are too good to ignore! "-) Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 6:28 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Actually, I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I frequently transpose two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I guess. But, I do it a lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and Kevin pointed out are nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you can see past the typos and you know what he intended to type. Peryr >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:01:18 -0500 > > > >Freudian slip, JD? Iz > > _ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:55 PM >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > > > >Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good >people there. > > > >JD > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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this subject is truly a waste of time. I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone using any of the bibles in print today. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:01:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html JD says NO Doctrine is altered Let's see. AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]" WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..." No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery! Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT & NIV say DIVINE BEING WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST." DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped." REMOVES ALPHA & OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches." Discover Yahoo!Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you understand that I believe that "event sin" can be stop immediately but other types of sin cannot? There are addictions, character failures such as pride and selfishness that are the foundation for other sin AND are listed as sin (selfishness is a sin but it is not an event). There are sins of omission when we should be doing something and we choose not to. Some sins stop -- but others only decrease in influence. Some may never be completely gone. It is my opinion that there is absolutely no alternative to this -- that those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I - and I believe I have a sound biblical argument for my point of view, not to mention the practical argument. Much of nearly every letter saved for us in the NT scriptures contains encouragement to the saints regarding the continuing battle against sin - letters written to those who are in the family of God. JD Possibly I should have pointed out that I believe that there is a vast difference between an unintentional slip, as when you drop a brick on your toe and hop around yelling, "oh excrement", and when you deliberately do something you know is a sin and continue in that sin anyway. The Lord , I am certain, sees it the same way, or that long list of drunks and queers and gossips and others who love their sin more than they love the Lord would not be in the Book. The difference is a temporary reminder that we must keep our minds fixed on Him as opposed to living in the flesh. The response to the first , for a Christian, is immediate repentance, while the response of the second is much like the story of the rich young ruler. He wanted Jesus on his terms. So does everyone on that list. So do your addicts.
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John, I have to agree. I otherwise might not agree, but I met a man who came with his wfe to a Bible study I was in some years ago. He was raised in a home in which his mother and father were involved in drugs from before he was born. He would go with them to make buys, and witness them use the drugs for as long as he could rememeber. He was never taught that this was wrong. so he grew up pretty much seeing this as normal, and at a very early age beginning to do the same. He was in his early 30's when I met him, and had already spent considerable time in prison for various drug related offenses. From his testamony, and his apparent love for the Lord,, I believe that he was in the fold, but occasionally had times of relapse when he would get drawn back in to the drug culture. Last I heard he was doing hard time at Corcoran Pen. I have never stop believing that he was and still is saved continues in a state of salvation through God's grace, although he is unable to totally kick the habits he grew up with as being normal. Who knows, but what God may be using him in some way I do not understand, perhaps to reach men inside the prison walls that would not otherwise hear the gospel. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:02:00 -0400 Do you understand that I believe that "event sin" can be stop immediately but other types of sin cannot? There are addictions, character failures such as pride and selfishness that are the foundation for other sin AND are listed as sin (selfishness is a sin but it is not an event). There are sins of omission when we should be doing something and we choose not to. Some sins stop -- but others only decrease in influence. Some may never be completely gone. It is my opinion that there is absolutely no alternative to this -- that those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I - and I believe I have a sound biblical argument for my point of view, not to mention the practical argument. Much of nearly every letter saved for us in the NT scriptures contains encouragement to the saints regarding the continuing battle against sin - letters written to those who are in the family of God. JD -Original Message- From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:36:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz The point that I was trying to get you to see for yourself is that though growth as a Christian is a continuous thing, sin stops when we die to self. My old self cursed and hated with the best of them. I drank from two to four six packs a day. I lusted in my heart. I dipped snuff and defiled my body. But when I died to self, that stuff went, and it did not go gradually. When Jesus says, "You are forgiven. Go and sin no more", only the most selfish persons could consider what Christ did for them and not respond in obedience. I know that. It is a fact. I have never been more certain of anything in my life. Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Terry. And that is all that I am saying, here. sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help. We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation. For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action. An operation is soon in the offing. But during this period, I have had to continue to work. About six hours or so is all I can stand. What has happened is this: the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on its own -- painful as that might be. ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin (and we all have them). Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern. No one is. I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license.But it really is not. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin. Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encour ages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God. -Original Message- From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:19:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to an issue of
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those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I Do you call "What is Sin?" a broad definition? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you understand that I believe that "event sin" can be stop immediately but other types of sin cannot? There are addictions, character failures such as pride and selfishness that are the foundation for other sin AND are listed as sin (selfishness is a sin but it is not an event). There are sins of omission when we should be doing something and we choose not to. Some sins stop -- but others only decrease in influence. Some may never be completely gone. It is my opinion that there is absolutely no alternative to this -- that those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I - and I believe I have a sound biblical argument for my point of view, not to mention the practical argument. Much of nearly every letter saved for us in the NT scriptures contains encouragement to the saints regarding the continuing battle against sin - letters written to those who are in the family of God. JD -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:36:33 -0500Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz The point that I was trying to get you to see for yourself is that though growth as a Christian is a continuous thing, sin stops when we die to self. My old self cursed and hated with the best of them. I drank from two to four six packs a day. I lusted in my heart. I dipped snuff and defiled my body. But when I died to self, that stuff went, and it did not go gradually. When Jesus says, "You are forgiven. Go and sin no more", only the most selfish persons could consider what Christ did for them and not respond in obedience. I know that. It is a fact. I have never been more certain of anything in my life.Terry[EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Yes, Terry. And that is all that I am saying, here. sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help. We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation. For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action. An operation is soon in the offing. But during this period, I have had to continue to work. About six hours or so is all I can stand. What has happened is this: the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on its own -- painful as that might be. ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin (and we all have them). Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern. No one is. I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license. But it really is not. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin. Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God. -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:19:18 -0500Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Back to an issue of substance. Law and faith It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt. Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord. JDSeems that I remember
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When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, And cast him out of the city, and stoned him Seems you have the same "religious" spirit. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: z -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:29:47 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz jd saz z Zech 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. You are so Biblical! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: z -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1) Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee. JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired. You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2) JD says Silly.. The only thing silly around here is your spelling! By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical" What? "bordiering" ? JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic? TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html "Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) " JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY! Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." How do I know which Bible is TRUE? It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it. ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE! Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies. Facts are stubborn things! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God d
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My Bible of choice is the NASV and the transltors of that publication have the verse reading " Every one who practices sin also practices lawlessness and sin is lawlessness." But more than this, I Jo 5:17 tells us that "all unrighteousness is sin." I Jo 1:8 gives us the truth that "if we say that we have (that we are having) no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in su.. Here, sin is more than an event. Several choices on the definition of sin within this book, alone !! And what do I mean by saying what I said - that sin is not against the law? No !! But I am saying that if our concept of sin does not go beyond this definition, we really cannot help those who need help. What was sin in Abraham's day -- before the law? Before the existence of the Law? Well, it certainly was something against the will of the creator -- but there has to be an element of "sin" that is not law related (again) because there was a time when there is no law. I personally do not believe that John in his first letter is speaking of events at all -- I believe that he is speaking against the practice of sin, not event sin. That is why, when he does name the commands he has in mind, he speaks of some _expression_ of love (the love of God or the love of the brethren.) Love is a life style&nb sp; - it is something that you practice. JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:00:09 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help. How do you do it? Once again, JD, you are in direct conflict with God’s Word: 1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin. Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God. “Management” of sin is still sin. Having longer and longer periods of time between incidents of heroine still leaves you an addict. Longer periods between incidents of adultery still leaves you with an adulterer. Gluttons are still gluttons between banana splits. Liars are still liars between lies. No one has “healthy aspects of their lives with God,” when they are “managing sin”. A heroine addict needs to be institutionalized until he is clean, and then he needs to be in constant follow up counseling until he can stay clean on his own for good. Only Christ can set us free from besetting sins—not sin management. Your theology has no power to deliver from sin; only to “manage” it. Izzy< /DIV>
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I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone 2 Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Lots of people teach lots of things![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this subject is truly a waste of time. I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone using any of the bibles in print today. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:01:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html JD says NO Doctrine is altered Let's see. AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]" WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..." No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery! Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT & NIV say DIVINE BEING WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST." DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped." REMOVES ALPHA & OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches." Discover Yahoo!Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Call me crazy but I call it a QUESTION ! -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:24:38 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I Do you call "What is Sin?" a broad definition?
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My Bible of choice is the NASV Same bible as the NWT (JW bible)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Bible of choice is the NASV and the transltors of that publication have the verse reading " Every one who practices sin also practices lawlessness and sin is lawlessness." But more than this, I Jo 5:17 tells us that "all unrighteousness is sin." I Jo 1:8 gives us the truth that "if we say that we have (that we are having) no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in su.. Here, sin is more than an event. Several choices on the definition of sin within this book, alone !! And what do I mean by saying what I said - that sin is not against the law? No !! But I am saying that if our concept of sin does not go beyond this definition, we really cannot help those who need help. What was sin in Abraham's day -- before the law? Before the existence of the Law? Well, it certainly was something against the will of the creator -- but there has to be an element of "sin" that is not law related (again) because there was a time when there is no law. I personally do not believe that John in his first letter is speaking of events at all -- I believe that he is speaking against the practice of sin, not event sin. That is why, when he does name the commands he has in mind, he speaks of some _expression_ of love (the love of God or the love of the brethren.) Love is a life style&nb sp; - it is something that you practice. JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:00:09 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really help the people we are called to help. How do you do it? Once again, JD, you are in direct conflict with God’s Word: 1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin. Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God. “Management” of sin is still sin. Having longer and longer periods of time between incidents of heroine still leaves you an addict. Longer periods between incidents of adultery still leaves you with an adulterer. Gluttons are still gluttons between banana splits. Liars are still liars between lies. No one has “healthy aspects of their lives with God,” when they are “managing sin”. A heroine addict needs to be institutionalized until he is clean, and then he needs to be in constant follow up counseling until he can stay clean on his own for good. Only Christ can set us free from besetting sins—not sin management. Your theology has no power to deliver from sin; only to “manage” it. Izzy< /DIV> Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out!
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ZZ-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:26:46 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, And cast him out of the city, and stoned him Seems you have the same "religious" spirit. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: z -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:29:47 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz jd saz z Zech 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear. You are so Biblical! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: z -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" Well, here is further evidence that you are a LIAR (incident #1) Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee. JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired. You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2) JD says Silly.. The only thing silly around here is your spelling! By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical" What? "bordiering" ? JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic? TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html "Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) " JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY! Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics & HOMOS See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." How do I know which Bible is TRUE? It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it. ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE! Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies. Facts are stubborn things! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." N
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Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz PS I find the typos to be very entertaining! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:46 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz I am missing two fingers on my right hand. When I get to typing -- stuff happens. But no, it is not a Freudian slip -- it was a typo. -Original Message- From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:27:44 -0700 Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Actually, I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I frequently transpose two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I guess. But, I do it a lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and Kevin pointed out are nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you can see past the typos and you know what he intended to type. Peryr >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:01:18 -0500 > > > >Freudian slip, JD? Iz > > _ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:55 PM >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > > > >Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good >people there. > > > >JD > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Well, you're living proof of that !! -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:35:02 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone 2 Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Lots of people teach lots of things![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this subject is truly a waste of time. I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone using any of the bibles in print today. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:01:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html JD says NO Doctrine is altered Let's see. AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]" WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..." No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery! Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT & NIV say DIVINE BEING WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST." DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped." REMOVES ALPHA & OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches." Discover Yahoo!Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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And since it is clearly stated, we can teach that there are TWO Gods from your NASV[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you're living proof of that !! -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:35:02 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone 2 Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Lots of people teach lots of things![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this subject is truly a waste of time. I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone using any of the bibles in print today. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:01:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html JD says NO Doctrine is altered Let's see. AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]" WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..." No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery! Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT & NIV say DIVINE BEING WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST." DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped." REMOVES ALPHA & OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches." Discover Yahoo!Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a new age." Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p. 222-228). Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus with all of its errors, including textual modifications of an obviously secondary character (as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7). BEWARE of these new versions! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace is still there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned God does the work and we receive the blessings).. Whats the problem?? JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re
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It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a new age." Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p. 222-228). Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus with all of its errors, including textual modifications of an obviously secondary character (as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7). BEWARE of these new versions! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." GNB: "Elhanan...killed Go
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I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His word in all its translations, including the NIV with its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have found that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many college students by my side use the translation. These friends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIV Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does use the errant translations. But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any translation does not mean that any and every translation retains merit. God can use evil for good, as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clear up a translation's flaws. Blessings! (Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails up to your eye balls. :-) ) --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God > is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that > His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, > Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit > of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH > THE KJV! Just imagine! > > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see > every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine > them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine > yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) > they had with them. How many of them do you believe > are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart > remark, please. Tell me what you make of that > observation. > - Original Message - > From: Kevin Deegan > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > > > the work of Catholic scholars > > It is amazing how some can stand the facts on > their head. > > The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: > Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is > the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, > has been one of the editors of the United Bible > Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe > is the largest in the world, with two thousand > priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of > New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical > Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of > the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time > magazine, article reported that Martini brought > together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 > religious leaders from around the world to promote a > new age, one-world religion. In addressing this > meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to > synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will > universalize that religion for the world and lead us > into a new age." > Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New > Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition > 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of > the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It > was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, > Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts > > HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the > blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible > translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the > Translations Department of the United Bible > Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of > biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's > revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical > revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation > is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is > given only in words, it has no real validity until > it has been translated into life. ... The words are > in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the > word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, > Message and Mission, p. 222-228). > > Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., > of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the > text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant > traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to > the Textus Receptus with all of its errors, > including textual modifications of an obviously > secondary character (as we recognize them today)" > (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon, > 1962, pp. 6,7). > > > BEWARE of these new versions! > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Normally when a host of scholars and translation > committees using the most recent manuscript > discoveries all agree against a publication that is > nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic > scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King > James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" > translation. To us
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(Wo)man Oh (Wo)man (for the purpose of inclusivity) how I wish that this were not chip/block thingy. Sophmoric logic becomes you, young lady. - Original Message - From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: June 02, 2005 18:35 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His > word in all its translations, including the NIV with > its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have found > that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the > NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many > college students by my side use the translation. These > friends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIV > Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does use > the errant translations. > > But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any > translation does not mean that any and every > translation retains merit. God can use evil for good, > as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. > > Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clear > up a translation's flaws. > > Blessings! > > (Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and > the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails up > to your eye balls. :-) ) > > --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God > > is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that > > His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, > > Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit > > of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH > > THE KJV! Just imagine! > > > > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see > > every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine > > them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine > > yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) > > they had with them. How many of them do you believe > > are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart > > remark, please. Tell me what you make of that > > observation. > > - Original Message - > > From: Kevin Deegan > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 > > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > > > > > > the work of Catholic scholars > > > > It is amazing how some can stand the facts on > > their head. > > > > The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: > > Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is > > the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, > > has been one of the editors of the United Bible > > Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe > > is the largest in the world, with two thousand > > priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of > > New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical > > Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of > > the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time > > magazine, article reported that Martini brought > > together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 > > religious leaders from around the world to promote a > > new age, one-world religion. In addressing this > > meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to > > synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will > > universalize that religion for the world and lead us > > into a new age." > > Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New > > Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition > > 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of > > the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It > > was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, > > Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts > > > > HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the > > blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible > > translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the > > Translations Department of the United Bible > > Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of > > biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's > > revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical > > revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation > > is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is > > given only in words, it has no real validity until > > it has been translated into life. ... The words are > > in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the > > word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, > > Message and Mission, p. 222-228). > > > > Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., > > of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the > > text), which th
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The Bibles that have out & out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word. It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies! The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT! Tell me what you make of that observation. Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a new age." Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p. 222-228). Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus with all of its errors, including textual modifications of an obviously secondary character (as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7). BEWARE of these new versions! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! For those that have no discernment - ENJOY "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. The PURE Word of God (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch." NLT "stupid son of a whore." NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut" See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE: RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath o
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Who (other than JD) would trust his life and the life of his wife and children, to a very old car that had 15,000 repair jobs done on it; and that by persons who knew little or nothing of what they were doing; whose work was slovenly and betrayed complete incompetence to do the repairs? Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His word in all its translations, including the NIV with its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have foundthat the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many college students by my side use the translation. Thesefriends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIV Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does use the errant translations.But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any translation does not mean that any and every translation retains merit. God can use evil for good, as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clear up a translation's flaws.Blessings!(Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails up to your eye balls. :-) ) --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God > is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that > His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, > Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit > of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!> > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see > every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine > them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine> yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) > they had with them. How many of them do you believe> are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart> remark, please. Tell me what you make of that > observation.> - Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Deegan > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> > > the work of Catholic scholars > > It is amazing how some can stand the facts on> their head.> > The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:> Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is> the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,> has been one of the editors of the United Bible> Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe> is the largest in the world, with two thousand> priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of> New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical> Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of> the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time> magazine, article reported that Martini brought> together a syncretistic convocation of over 100> religious leaders from around the world to promote a> new age, one-world religion. In addressing this> meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to> synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will> universalize that religion for the world and lead us> into a new age."> Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New> Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition> 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of> the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It> was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing,> Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts> > HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the> blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible> translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the> Translations Department of the United Bible> Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of> biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's> revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical> revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation> is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is> given only in words, it has no real validity until> it has been translated into life. ... The words are> in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the> word is void unless related to experience" (Nida,> Message and Mission, p. 222-228).> > Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e.,> of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the> text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant> traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to> the Textus Receptus with all of its errors,> including textual modifications of an obviously> secondary character (as we recognize them today)"> (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon,> 1962, pp. 6,7). > > > BEWARE of these new versions!> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Normally when a host of scholars and translation> committees using the most recent manuscript> discoveries all agree agai
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Have you ever seen the 2 "oldest and Most reliable manuscripts", Christine? VATICANus and Sainaiticus If you would like to inspect them maybe you can get a pass from the pope for the vatican library. Just a few changes here and there - oh well rev A or rev B whats your preference? If you have eyes to see for yourself:http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/general.htmlCorrectors:There are at least two different correctors from the uncial period. Some corrections are not enhanced by the reinforcer and are therefore very early. It seems reasonable to assign these to either the original scribe or a contemporary, who went through the whole codex and corrected several errors.The second corrector is later and eventually identical with the reinforcer (9th or 10th CE). There are several corrections which leave some text unenhanced and substitute a word or letters.Tischendorf and the ECM date one corrector to the 6th/7th CE.There are also a few corrections from the minuscule era. The text is very ordered except for those occasional troubling "Blank spots" I wonder what was in there in rev c or d?The blank space in mark 16 just happens to be the right size to contain the traditional ending. The original text division is a rather archaic one: For a new section the text is beginning afresh on a new line slightly in the left margin (one letter out), and the rest of the last line is left blank. Oh yeah there are also "other problems"http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/corrections.htmlThis is NOT a complete list. Only some examples are given:1257 A Strange late correction; Mt 16:20, new: DIESTEILATO, old: EPETIMHSENand look their eraser made a mess1325 B 7 R Lk 10:39, late correction (illegible), seems wiped out, probably EIS TON OIKON AUTHS. SUBSTITUTION OF WORDSMULTIPLE CORRECTORS & HANDWRITINGShttp://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/general.html#cor Would your Bank accept checks with 10 different handwritings and crossed out words etc? The SQUEEZED Letterhttp://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/squeezed.htmlYou would not mind if I add a few zeros to that contract do you?It is only a Zero... COMPLAINTS addedhttp://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/note1512.htmlWho wrote "Fool and knave, can't you leave the old reading alone and not alter it!" Who would trust his life and the life of his wife and children, to a very old car that had 15,000 repair jobs done on it; and that by persons who knew little or nothing of what they were doing; whose work was slovenly and betrayed complete incompetence to do the repairs? "Oldest & Best" ROTFL!Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use Hisword in all its translations, including the NIV withits errors and sodomite commitee members. I have foundthat the newest generation overwhelmingly favors theNIV translation, and when we are out preaching, manycollege students by my side use the translation. Thesefriends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIVBible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does usethe errant translations.But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use anytranslation does not mean that any and everytranslation retains merit. God can use evil for good,as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clearup a translation's flaws.Blessings!(Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend andthe next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails upto your eye balls. :-) ) --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God> is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that> His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care,> Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit> of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH> THE KJV! Just imagine!> > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see> every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine> them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine> yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof)> they had with them. How many of them do you believe> are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart> remark, please. Tell me what you make of that> observation.> - Original Message - > From: Kevin Deegan > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> > > the work of Catholic scholars > > It is amazing how some can stand the facts on> their head.> > The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:> Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is> the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,> has been one of the editors of the United Bible> Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe> is the largest in the world, with two thousand> priests and five mill
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the Lord can and does use His word in all its translations Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when conveying His word? God has used Donkeys, in the past. Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use Hisword in all its translations, including the NIV withits errors and sodomite commitee members. I have foundthat the newest generation overwhelmingly favors theNIV translation, and when we are out preaching, manycollege students by my side use the translation. Thesefriends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIVBible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does usethe errant translations.But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use anytranslation does not mean that any and everytranslation retains merit. God can use evil for good,as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clearup a translation's flaws.Blessings!(Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend andthe next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails upto your eye balls. :-) ) --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God> is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that> His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care,> Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit> of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH> THE KJV! Just imagine!> > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see> every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine> them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine> yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof)> they had with them. How many of them do you believe> are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart> remark, please. Tell me what you make of that> observation.> - Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Deegan > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> > > the work of Catholic scholars > > It is amazing how some can stand the facts on> their head.> > The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:> Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is> the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,> has been one of the editors of the United Bible> Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe> is the largest in the world, with two thousand> priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of> New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical> Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of> the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time> magazine, article reported that Martini brought> together a syncretistic convocation of over 100> religious leaders from around the world to promote a> new age, one-world religion. In addressing this> meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to> synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will> universalize that religion for the world and lead us> into a new age."> Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New> Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition> 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of> the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It> was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing,> Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts> > HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the> blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible> translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the> Translations Department of the United Bible> Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of> biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's> revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical> revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation> is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is> given only in words, it has no real validity until> it has been translated into life. ... The words are> in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the> word is void unless related to experience" (Nida,> Message and Mission, p. 222-228).> > Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e.,> of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the> text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant> traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to> the Textus Receptus with all of its errors,> including textual modifications of an obviously> secondary character (as we recognize them today)"> (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon,> 1962, pp. 6,7). > > > BEWARE of these new versions!> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Normally when a host of scholars and translation> committees using the most recent manuscript> discoveries all agree against a publication that is> nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic> scholars (save
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Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not as moderator. From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Why is that Perry? When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers. Now how long have we known JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not as moderator. >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on >us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Izzy, first of all, it is none of your business if anyone on this group has a malady, or is missing appendages. What do you mean, "he is just now telling us"? What makes you think you even entitled to know this, or that he is obligated to tell you? Second, John gave us a valid reason for his typos, so why do you think he is being dishonest? Third, if you had any sensitivity at all you would drop your prideful attitude, quit trying to cover up your comment with cuteness, and admit it was tacky. Unless, of course, you have no sensitivity at all. Perry From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500 Why is that Perry? When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers. Now how long have we known JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not as moderator. >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on >us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I love sinless people. JD -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Why is that Perry? When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers. Now how long have we known JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not as moderator. >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on >us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Perhaps her problem is compounded by Deegan's continual theme that I am a liar? -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Why is that Perry? When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers. Now how long have we known JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not as moderator. >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on >us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I guess I just have no sensitivity at all, because I'm cracking up over the whole thing! It only strikes me as funny coming from Smithson. I can just see him laughing up his sleeve. Of course it's probably true, with him being in the construction business, but I just thought I'd pull his leg. (If he has one!) Sorry!!! No more sick (nurse) humor!!! (JD I really don't care what's missing!)Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:16 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Izzy, first of all, it is none of your business if anyone on this group has a malady, or is missing appendages. What do you mean, "he is just now telling us"? What makes you think you even entitled to know this, or that he is obligated to tell you? Second, John gave us a valid reason for his typos, so why do you think he is being dishonest? Third, if you had any sensitivity at all you would drop your prideful attitude, quit trying to cover up your comment with cuteness, and admit it was tacky. Unless, of course, you have no sensitivity at all. Perry >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz >Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500 > >Why is that Perry? When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's >suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers. Now how long have we >known >JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain >that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a >lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke >Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > >Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not >as moderator. > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on > >us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz > > >-- >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >know >how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >http://www.InnGlory.org > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > >-- >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >http://www.InnGlory.org > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz The Bibles that have out & out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word. It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies! The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT! Tell me what you make of that observation. Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a new age." Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p. 222-228). Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus with all of its errors, including textual modifications of an obviously secondary character (as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7). BEWARE of these new versions! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars
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Perhaps I caught you in a few lies in the past. Perhaps telling lies makes one a liar. Perhaps that has nothing to do with Izzy. Perhaps once a liar always a liar. PS 101 He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps her problem is compounded by Deegan's continual theme that I am a liar? -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Why is that Perry? When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers. Now how long have we known JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not as moderator. >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on >us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understand your question State it more clearly & I will answer. I do not evade questions. The new bible problem exists in other languages also. There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language. There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott & Hort Who worships pages, covers and indexing? Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd! Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize? Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to. I guess this is the best you can do given the facts. Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted. Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. WWJD What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz The Bibles that have out & out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word. It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies! The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT! Tell me what you make of that observation. Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a new age." Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a tr
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> Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God > uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when > conveying His word? Yes, I beleive God can use whatever He chooses, including the Pagans and Heretics. God has used the UF Pagans several times when I was preaching to draw crowds and ask important questions. It is certainly a Biblical princible that God can and does use evil for His own purpose, Balaam's situation with the donkey being a good example. Or when Joseph's brothers sold him into slavery. That was pretty evil, and God used it. I think I recall in Philippians 1, where Paul speaks of some preaching Christ in "envy and strife." Paul just rejoices at this: "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice." And I think I feel the same way. I do not like the NIV, I think it is a despicable translation, and I let my Christian brothers and sisters know why I prefer the KJV version. But the truth is, the NIV is a bible, and the Holy Spirit can use it. I don't like it, but Christ is still being preached through it and therein do I rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. Blessings --- Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the Lord can and does use His word in all its > translations > > Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God > uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when > conveying His word? > > God has used Donkeys, in the past. > > > Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His > word in all its translations, including the NIV with > its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have > found > that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the > NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many > college students by my side use the translation. > These > friends of mine have led people to Christ with the > NIV > Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does > use > the errant translations. > > But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any > translation does not mean that any and every > translation retains merit. God can use evil for > good, > as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. > > Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't > clear > up a translation's flaws. > > Blessings! > > (Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and > the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails > up > to your eye balls. :-) ) > > --- Lance Muir wrote: > > > It is wise for one to remember that the Word of > God > > is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that > > His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, > > Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the > Spirit > > of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH > > THE KJV! Just imagine! > > > > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to > see > > every believer at once on the entire globe. > Imagine > > them to be lit up like a little light. Then, > imagine > > yourself able to see the Bible (or portion > thereof) > > they had with them. How many of them do you > believe > > are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart > > remark, please. Tell me what you make of that > > observation. > > - Original Message - > > From: Kevin Deegan > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 > > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > > > > > > the work of Catholic scholars > > > > It is amazing how some can stand the facts on > > their head. > > > > The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: > > Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is > > the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since > 1967, > > has been one of the editors of the United Bible > > Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in > Europe > > is the largest in the world, with two thousand > > priests and five million "laity." He is Professor > of > > New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical > > Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President > of > > the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A > Time > > magazine, article reported that Martini brought > > together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 > > religious leaders from around the world to promote > a > > new age, one-world religion. In addressing this > > meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to > > synthesize a new religion for thinking men that > will > > universalize that religion for the world and lead > us >
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Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understand your question State it more clearly & I will answer. I do not evade questions. The new bible problem exists in other languages also. There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language. There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott & Hort Who worships pages, covers and indexing? Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd! Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize? Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to. I guess this is the best you can do given the facts. Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted. Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. WWJD What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz The Bibles that have out & out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word. It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies! The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT! Tell me what you make of that observation. Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to p
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Ask JudithLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understand your question State it more clearly & I will answer. I do not evade questions. The new bible problem exists in other languages also. There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language. There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott & Hort Who worships pages, covers and indexing? Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd! Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize? Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to. I guess this is the best you can do given the facts. Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted. Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. WWJD What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz The Bibles that have out & out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word. It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies! The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT! Tell me what you make of that observation. Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a new age." Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive
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I meant as custodians of His word. I believe we agree on God's ability to use evil "God can draw a Straight Line with a crooked stick"! He has a wrench for Every nut!Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God> uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when> conveying His word?Yes, I beleive God can use whatever He chooses,including the Pagans and Heretics. God has used the UFPagans several times when I was preaching to drawcrowds and ask important questions. It is certainly aBiblical princible that God can and does use evil forHis own purpose, Balaam's situation with the donkeybeing a good example. Or when Joseph's brothers soldhim into slavery. That was pretty evil, and God usedit. I think I recall in Philippians 1, where Paul speaksof some preaching Christ in "envy and strife." Pauljust rejoices at this: "What then? notwithstanding,every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ ispreached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and willrejoice." And I think I feel the same way. I do notlike the NIV, I think it is a despicable translation,and I let my Christian brothers and sisters know why Iprefer the KJV version. But the truth is, the NIV is abible, and the Holy Spirit can use it. I don't likeit, but Christ is still being preached through it andtherein do I rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. Blessings--- Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> the Lord can and does use His word in all its> translations> > Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God> uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when> conveying His word?> > God has used Donkeys, in the past.> > > Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His> word in all its translations, including the NIV with> its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have> found> that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the> NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many> college students by my side use the translation.> These> friends of mine have led people to Christ with the> NIV> Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does> use> the errant translations.> > But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any> translation does not mean that any and every> translation retains merit. God can use evil for> good,> as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. > > Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't> clear> up a translation's flaws.> > Blessings!> > (Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and> the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails> up> to your eye balls. :-) ) > > --- Lance Muir wrote:> > > It is wise for one to remember that the Word of> God> > is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that> > His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care,> > Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the> Spirit> > of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH> > THE KJV! Just imagine!> > > > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to> see> > every believer at once on the entire globe.> Imagine> > them to be lit up like a little light. Then,> imagine> > yourself able to see the Bible (or portion> thereof)> > they had with them. How many of them do you> believe> > are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart> > remark, please. Tell me what you make of that> > observation.> > - Original Message - > > From: Kevin Deegan > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48> > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz> > > > > > the work of Catholic scholars > > > > It is amazing how some can stand the facts on> > their head.> > > > The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:> > Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is> > the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since> 1967,> > has been one of the editors of the United Bible> > Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in> Europe> > is the largest in the world, with two thousand> > priests and five million "laity." He is Professor> of> > New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical> > Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President> of> > the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A> Time> > magazine, article reported that Martini brought> > together a syncretistic convocation of over 100> > religious leaders from around the world to promote> a> > new age, one-world religion. In addressing this> > meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to> > synthesize a new religion for t
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This then is your direct answer to my direct question? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 12:45 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Ask JudithLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understand your question State it more clearly & I will answer. I do not evade questions. The new bible problem exists in other languages also. There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language. There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott & Hort Who worships pages, covers and indexing? Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd! Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize? Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to. I guess this is the best you can do given the facts. Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted. Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. WWJD What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz The Bibles that have out & out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word. It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies! The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT! Tell me what you make of that observation. Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS tex
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When I find one with error I throw it back on the Trash heap where it came from. How much more REsearch do I need when I know about Judith? Some translations will require more research, but since I talk no foriegn Languages, I do not need to concern myself with such, EH?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This then is your direct answer to my direct question? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 12:45 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Ask JudithLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understand your question State it more clearly & I will answer. I do not evade questions. The new bible problem exists in other languages also. There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language. There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott & Hort Who worships pages, covers and indexing? Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd! Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize? Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to. I guess this is the best you can do given the facts. Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted. Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. WWJD What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz The Bibles that have out & out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word. It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies! The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT! Tell me what you make of that observation. Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synt
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Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn’t “Hitler” it’s “McCarthy”. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.
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It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz. You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000) Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27 Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.
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Accusations without proof? Get real NO need to try to figure out if there is a ONLY BEGGOTTEN Daughter! Do you need further proof that that particular translation is Trash? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 13:41 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz When I find one with error I throw it back on the Trash heap where it came from. How much more REsearch do I need when I know about Judith? Some translations will require more research, but since I talk no foriegn Languages, I do not need to concern myself with such, EH?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This then is your direct answer to my direct question? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 12:45 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Ask JudithLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understand your question State it more clearly & I will answer. I do not evade questions. The new bible problem exists in other languages also. There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language. There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott & Hort Who worships pages, covers and indexing? Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd! Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize? Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to. I guess this is the best you can do given the facts. Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted. Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. WWJD What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz The Bibles that have out & out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word. It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies! The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT! Tell me what you make of that observation. Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societi
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Senator McCarthy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism Recently declassified Soviet-era documents have, in fact, confirmed that Soviet spies had infiltrated the U.S. State Department in the 1930s and 1940s He was right all along! So in the interest of Truth what accusations have I hurled without proof? Answer here ___ Or is it you that is hurling? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 13:41 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz When I find one with error I throw it back on the Trash heap where it came from. How much more REsearch do I need when I know about Judith? Some translations will require more research, but since I talk no foriegn Languages, I do not need to concern myself with such, EH?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This then is your direct answer to my direct question? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 12:45 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Ask JudithLance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understand your question State it more clearly & I will answer. I do not evade questions. The new bible problem exists in other languages also. There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language. There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott & Hort Who worships pages, covers and indexing? Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd! Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize? Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to. I guess this is the best you can do given the facts. Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted. Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. WWJD What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz The Bibles that have out & out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word. It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies! The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT! Tell me what you make of that observation. Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the
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Why? What else do they have, surely not facts. Why we are not even let in on what the supposed baseless accusations consist of!ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August Why don't you go over there and do something about it? Talk is cheap!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz. You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000) Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27 Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much. Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
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To quote Izzie accurately: tried & TRUE. Read carefully as she is making the opposite point. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 16:40 Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Why? What else do they have, surely not facts. Why we are not even let in on what the supposed baseless accusations consist of!ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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If this was a source of oil Kevin, your country WOULD BE THERE! Terry sees this. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 16:52 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August Why don't you go over there and do something about it? Talk is cheap!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz. You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000) Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27 Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much. Discover Yahoo!Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
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Hidding behind tough words don't get it done, Deegan. Just another way of avoiding the real and important issues. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August Why don't you go over there and do something about it? Talk is cheap!Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz. You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000) Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27 Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much. Discover Yahoo!Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
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Lance wrote: > I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe > that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed > to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie) I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into the mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture. Don't you think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do? Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the following passage: John 10:34-36 (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture. And why not, he also taught that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away. Matthew 5:17-18 (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey those expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists. Matthew 23:2-3 (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ? Is it those who greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who think it would be evil legalism to do so? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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You don’t make me feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. You’re really “out there” my friend. And your concerns about the Congo—what are you and Canada doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United Nations? (It’s a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz. You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000) Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27 Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn’t “Hitler” it’s “McCarthy”. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.
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Let’s see Lance, I was in grade school when all that was going on. Aren’t you making yourself a cliché’? At least the Congo is current events (and very indicative of failed UN morality.) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:05 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz To quote Izzie accurately: tried & TRUE. Read carefully as she is making the opposite point. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 16:40 Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Why? What else do they have, surely not facts. Why we are not even let in on what the supposed baseless accusations consist of! ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn’t “Hitler” it’s “McCarthy”. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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If I said these things, you would be all over me -- boredom has its fruit. Just remember you wrote this -- when I get off my "new me" kick (hopefully that will never happen) I will get even. But for the time being, I think you knew I would think this funny, I have act ually saved it !! I showed one of my boys what I am up against on TT --- laughter in the place of sympathy was all I got. JD -Original Message- From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 03:04:03 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz I guess I just have no sensitivity at all, because I'm cracking up over the whole thing! It only strikes me as funny coming from Smithson. I can just see him laughing up his sleeve. Of course it's probably true, with him being in the construction business, but I just thought I'd pull his leg. (If he has one!) Sorry!!! No more sick (nurse) humor!!! (JD I really don't care what's missing!)Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:16 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Izzy, first of all, it is none of your business if anyone on this group has a malady, or is missing appendages. What do you mean, "he is just now telling us"? What makes you think you even entitled to know this, or that he is obligated to tell you? Second, John gave us a valid reason for his typos, so why do you think he is being dishonest? Third, if you had any sensitivity at all you would drop your prideful attitude, quit trying to cover up your comment with cuteness, and admit it was tacky. Unless, of course, you have no sensitivity at all. Perry >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz >Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500 > >Why is that Perry? When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's >suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers. Now how long have we >known >JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain >that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a >lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke >Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > >Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not >as moderator. > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on > >us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz > > >-- >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >know >how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >http://www.InnGlory.org > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > >-- >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >http://www.InnGlory.org > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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myth (false prophets speak of JC in the past tense for manipulative personal reasons or as does the author, below) On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:09:38 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>..Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do.
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Clearly so. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:51:16 -0600Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz myth (false prophets speak of JC in the past tense for manipulative personal reasons or as does the author, below) On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:09:38 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>..Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do.
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As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of both. (Jesus & Scripture) - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > Lance wrote: > > I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe > > that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed > > to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie) > > I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into the > mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture. Don't you > think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do? > > Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the > following passage: > > John 10:34-36 > (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are > gods? > (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the > scripture cannot be broken; > (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the > world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? > > Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates > respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture. And why not, he also taught > that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away. > > Matthew 5:17-18 > (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not > come to destroy, but to fulfil. > (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one > tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. > > Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey those > expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists. > > Matthew 23:2-3 > (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: > (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but > do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. > > So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ? Is it those who > greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who > think it would be evil legalism to do so? > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've all made jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods or some 'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' contest. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 21:19 Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz You dont make me feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. Youre really out there my friend. And your concerns about the Congowhat are you and Canada doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United Nations? (Its a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz. You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000) Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27 Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.
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David Miller wrote: >> ... Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do. Gary wrote: > myth (false prophets speak of JC in the past tense > for manipulative personal reasons or as does the > author, below) If I had spoken in the present tense and told you what Jesus Christ said to me today, you would still have an ad hominem slap to send my way. How about giving it a rest. We are looking for posts with substance, not posts that malign and accuse other TruthTalk members of evil. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Lance wrote: > I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from > DM to DH, for global issues. I agree, Lance, that my concern for global issues is not very high. In fact, my concern for national issues isn't very high either. I'm in one of those situations where things are so bad here at home that I try to take care of the problems here and do not have much of myself left to concern myself with issues across the other side of the globe. I hope one day that I might be used that way, but right now, my plate is full and I don't know how to add global issues to it. My hope lies in the pattern seen in Acts 1, where he says to be witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Historically there was a progression in maturity from things local to things global. I think perhaps that you are older than me. Was there ever a time in your life when you were not concerned enough with things global? Lance wrote: > To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond > my comprehension. What is your perspective about the more than 46 million deaths through abortion? Do you have a solution to this problem? Are you concerned about it? I haven't heard you address the problem of abortion. Don't you think we should start with this more local problem of abortion rather than the problems in the Ivory Coast and related areas? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
Was there ever a time when...Yes, there was. Abortion. Have you read 'Freakonomics'? Look at his 'take' on abortion. Yes I do have a solution. Starting with yourself and, working outward, tell men not to get women pregnant who will not carry the pregnancy to term. Is this a joke? It is not! - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: June 04, 2005 08:56 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz > Lance wrote: > > I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from > > DM to DH, for global issues. > > I agree, Lance, that my concern for global issues is not very high. In > fact, my concern for national issues isn't very high either. I'm in one of > those situations where things are so bad here at home that I try to take > care of the problems here and do not have much of myself left to concern > myself with issues across the other side of the globe. I hope one day that > I might be used that way, but right now, my plate is full and I don't know > how to add global issues to it. My hope lies in the pattern seen in Acts 1, > where he says to be witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in > Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Historically there was a > progression in maturity from things local to things global. I think perhaps > that you are older than me. Was there ever a time in your life when you > were not concerned enough with things global? > > Lance wrote: > > To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond > > my comprehension. > > What is your perspective about the more than 46 million deaths through > abortion? Do you have a solution to this problem? Are you concerned about > it? I haven't heard you address the problem of abortion. Don't you think > we should start with this more local problem of abortion rather than the > problems in the Ivory Coast and related areas? > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.