[ubuntu-art] Ciao
Just wanted to drop you all a note that I'm going to be disconnecting from the mailing list. If someone out there feels the need to contact me, all of my information is on Launchpad. It has a been a long wonderful ride. Thanks to everyone. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Newsplash usplash mockup updates
Nick Russell wrote: I've updated the original mockups on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Newsplash to address concerns/criticisms and I've added a few new ideas and variations on old ones. I've also started a forum thread to gauge community interest in a new usplash http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4971501 While I can appreciate your want to change a certain aspect of Ubuntu, I would ask if you think a traditional development-centric component based design works for overall aesthetic impact? That is, your design clearly moves toward a given presentation. Does that presentation work in the 'bigger picture'? Is there an overarching style that it fits in with? Etc. Worse, voting is death, especially on something of this nature. If you would like to have a very real world example, go about your house with a digital camera. Photograph small studies of say -- door handles, a chair, a type of hard wood flooring. Now pick any one and put it up for a vote. In the end, the vote is meaningless as it doesn't give you a true and accurate evaluation as to how all of the pieces are going to work together in the total design. Two pennies... TJS PS: If you want further insight into some of these ideas, I would encourage you to examine the terms Gesamtkunstwerk ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesamtkunstwerk ) or Coccinity ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concinnity ). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave .deb
Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: I managed to create an Ubuntu Package for New Wave, it's not yet perfect but the way is right. At the soone realise available for wiki and\or LP. Once you have your infrastructure in place, look into the Personal Package Archives so that your changes will get automatically built. It is a part of Launchpad, and should be easy to integrate. The starting point is the sidebar panel at Launchpad. Hope this helps, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] petition for more descriptive email subjects
Matthew Nuzum wrote: For those of us following along, it would be far easier to keep up on things if there were more descriptive subjects. So instead of 50 emails with the subject New Wave maybe just be more specific. Nuzum, as usual, spot on. While we are at it, I would add that _IF_ you feel it is important enough to send out to 300, 400, or 1000 people, please take the time to edit the quoted text down to the distilled minimum required. Remember, this isn't Twitter, an instant messenger, or IRC chat room. This is a mailing list and there are many others on the list. For those with hundreds if not thousands of emails, try to keep things as condensed as possible. I would also add that Launchpad has mailing lists for projects so that the minute details can be discussed ad infinitum with the parties that need to receive the information. Further, you can put comments into your Bazaar change logs for everyone to read. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Sapien Theme (WAS Windows? Mac? Gnome? KDE?)
Seth Rattan wrote: However, this is the first time I've tried my hand at writing a theme, and I would appreciate someone (not to write the theme for me) but to be available to give pointers as I experiment. If you have _any_ questions in relation to something you are trying to accomplish, don't hesitate to email me. I'll try my best to get you an answer or solution. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
Anton Kerezov wrote: Probably it is a good idea but I'm not familiar with branches and version control systems :( http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr It is quite easy. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Who's Vague Direction (WAS mac-unt-ista?)
Who wrote: Specifically the awesome Rueben theme http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Reuben?content=55876 Anyone wanting to work in this vague direction? Reuben has many elements to like. In no particular order: 1) The linework is much closer to some notion of elegant. In particular, the patented Tango heavy outlines are avoided. It is easy to suggest that the technique lends itself to words such as 'elegant', 'delicate', and 'sophisticated'. Contrast that with the other interface elements that are prevalent in nearly every GTK theme -- which are far closer to 'heavy' and 'clunky'. 2) Patterned window top border can be quite classy as well as extremely un-Vista and un-OSX. Plus one for originality and effectiveness. 3) Reuben actually gives attention to a palette, albeit yet again dwelling in the monochromatic. Given the name, it wouldn't be pure speculation that the tonal range is working to evoke a sense of high art. The filigree furthers that. Probably reminiscent of Victorian sensibilities. 4) The typography works wonderfully. Both the font and weight fit within the direction of the styling. It would be wonderful to see something fleshed out further with an Ubuntu-centric feel. In terms of 'cons' maybe: 1) Background image is monotonous. 2) Palette needs to be strengthened away from monochromatic feel. The still image in the screenshot certainly helps to balance the feel, but alas, the hues aren't a part of the basic theme. 3) Harmonize the window decoration grabber bar with the thematics of the theme. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Random Thoughts on Mail Burst
Matthew Nuzum wrote: If you would have asked me before Hardy if something as exciting as the heron wallpaper would be the default desktop I would have said there's no way. Give Kenneth Wimer _full_ marks here for getting that image in front of the people who use Ubuntu. If he had not put it in, it _never_ would have been seen. Drop by and give him a prop for at least getting it 'chanced'. He is kwwii on Freenode dot net and he is also (obviously) on this list. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Random Thoughts on Mail Burst
Bharat Varma wrote: The visual style I have mentioned is called 'Elements' and it has 4 variations - Fire (the one you can see in the link), Water, Air and Earth. Fire - Orange, the default visual style Water - Blue Air - Grey Earth - Green Don't you feel that this thinking is bordering on cliche? I am rather shocked by the few people who seem to think that this is a good direction, but alas, pursue away. Somehow I can't help but think that the four elements of our poorly illuminated past are best left for the cliched design paradigm in foreign RPGs. I greet with open arms anyone who will prove me wrong. Anton Kerezov wrote: 2. Create aesthetically pleasing and eye-easy theme that clearly represents the Ubuntu spirit. This isn't a personal poke toward you Anton, but _everyone_ who thinks this sentence makes perfectly good sense _really_ needs to pick up an introductory text on art and design. This is perhaps the most common and most flawed statement that I read over and over and over again. It is mired in a sea of misunderstanding and solidly lodged in logic that would be enlightened with even a precursory examination of just about _any_ text on art and design. Cory K. wrote: Though, as far as shipping .SVGs goes, I think it was kwwii that was telling me about some rendering bug with using .SVG as walls. That's what I would worry about. I can't remember. Maybe he can chime in. Rendering SVGs using the lib in GNOME using the default rendering context is awful for a number of reasons: 1) The work you do in Inkscape isn't often supported in the renderer. 2) The GNOME renderer does this strange thing where it 'clips' the objects and then blurs them. Near edges, the objects that should be uniformed blurred, are clipped and then blurred. This results in a blur 'chasm' between the object and the edge where there shouldn't be one. 3) GNOME renders to the size context _and then_ scales the bitmap to the destination size. Last time I checked this was still the case, and I registered a bug against it for GDM. The default renderer did this for other SVG elements as well. Instead of rendering for the built-in size, it should figure out the destination context and render to it. There are more issues, but I can't remember them. Most of it would probably come down to that the work environment (namely Inkscape) won't reflect what you would get in the rendering context of GNOME. Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote: I don't know how to make a poll (and I don't know if this is what we should do) but if all the artwork team are agree with making 4 themes air, earth, fire and water) we should discuss it and everyone should be agree with that. So please, we must make this discussion useful. Maybe doing some brainstorming (for guidelines) and then voting can be a great way to take decisions (I'm sure Troy has something to say about this). I am more than willing to set up a poll for whatever a team / group would desire. That said, if you think you want to avoid all of this, simply form your own team and poll away! And no, I don't have much to say other than a hearty good luck. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper: Brown and exciting
Who wrote: Especially about colours - I haven't done much work on this display and I want to know if it looks too intense/yellow/dark/whatever on other people's monitors.. Greetings Whoosie! Great to see you still around. I would encourage anyone with interest to purchase a colour spectrometer for their work. They can be an extremely inexpensive investment, and, happily, the bulk of the professional grade tools are supported under Free Software. Further still, the entry level models will do a terrific job and not cost a significant amount of money. An entry level Huey for example, is under 90 dollars American. I would avoid ColorVision's line, simply because they appear to have a great deal of animosity / ignorance toward the Free Software ideology (1). In addition to this, their Spyder2 -- despite being supported under Argyll, relies on a proprietary binary blob firmware -- which we all know takes us down a dark and ugly path. Pantone's on the other hand, works wonderfully as well as being attached to the industry standard Gretag / Macbeth trademarks. IF you purchase a product from Pantone, please contact them and tell them that you purchased it because it is supported by Argyll. I have already done so, and their response has been positive. A full list of supported colour spectrometers can be found at Argyll's main site (2). jcornuz has a wonderful blog with all of the beginner steps to getting a colour management system up and running and generating ICC profiles for your monitor (3). I hope this helps someone out, TJS (1) http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/openicc/2007q4/001026.html (2) http://argyllcms.com/ (3) http://jcornuz.wordpress.com/category/tutorials/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
Sumit Agarwal wrote: As I see it right now, the wide borders reflect the very annoying hard-outlined GNOME style icons. This is a trend that seems to be self-perpetuating for no good reason (look at the icon sheets for Firefox 3. See the Linux set? Why are we making new icons that look like they're stuck in 1998?). Julian Oliver wrote: i don't understand why there is this pixel-eating, thick translucent border around the windows. Agree 100% with these two comments. The main issue here is that both Tango and the resultant 'style' is an extremely far cry from communicating anything close to ideas such as elegant or graceful. The resultant look, with its reliance on heavy, thick, rounded border lines -- including the insistence on GTK control border lines -- would probably have descriptive words such as bulbous and clunky chosen when offered up on a multiple choice poll. I have long been extremely vocal about this facet of Ubuntu, but alas, the inevitable fallacy of the usability factor is brought up, and the status quo keeps marching along - as opposed to actually examining the issue at hand. To compare, have a peek at the beautiful John Hicks work for the Thunderbird and Firefox icons ( http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/work/mozilla-logos ) against just about any of the Crayola inspired elements Gnome has. Again, this is about associations, and thick outlines / borders / control lines have no place if one is trying to communicate an element of grace or elegance in westernized art. What are we saying to our audience? Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Linework (WAS creamlooks-gtk)
George Brooke wrote: Is is not possible to have a wider window border appear when your mouse hovers near the edge of the window or would this not be possible with current GTK/Meatacity themes? Not possible. The ubuntu-art crowd has grown to include a few coders however. Perhaps one of them might be able to kludge a hack together as a proof of principle. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Hacking / Kludging - WAS Re: gtk theme
Patch the code. Kludge it out when we have no other option. Let the progression happen. (First post here. I'd like to say hi! :D) I don't know if I'm in any position to say this, but if you do things in a hackish way, you do advance, but at the expense of having more and more unmaintainable code. Sure, we'll go forward, but it will take more and more work to move any further. Put more hacks, and the code starts to become too much of a mess to even touch. (I don't have a good example here, though.) In short, it isn't really perfectionism (well, a bit...), but it's more a matter of maintainability. It certainly isn't optimal, and I am well aware of the shortcomings. The point isn't to kludge / hack _everything_, but do it where it is required to achieve an innovation. Animated progressbars might be an example here. Our track record for doing things _before_ other competing operating systems do something is not exactly stellar. Putting in a kludge / hack accomplishes two things: 1) It clearly demonstrates the shortcoming in the current code set. 2) Puts a little more pressure on the architecture to evolve _properly_. Heck. If it weren't for the kludges and hacks here and there, with the respective sarcastic comments in the code, where would FOSS be at all? Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Brainstorm title.
Denis Jacquerye wrote: The Ubuntu Brainstorm title could definitely be improved. The letters of the word brainstorm seems to be have ad hoc. Could it simply use the letters from the font Ubuntu Title, available in the package ttf-ubuntu-title, or from Ubuntu Titling. [ http://betatype.com/node/36 ] The Ubuntu font has always been rather sad in terms of execution in addition to being rather derivative of Fedora's official font. Yes, Christian's work is exemplary and elevates the font to a professional level regarding spacing and ascents etc. Judging from his blog post comments however, I can understand why he probably isn't absolutely thrilled with his intended audience. Short of getting Christian's work implemented as the new official Ubuntu font, there are only two options as far as I can tell: * Manually adjust the bleak font spacing to help rid the nasty typographic colour. * Use the official font _only_ for the term Ubuntu. It simply doesn't qualify as a font for other uses unless we as a group are happy with a rather amateur presence. I would give a huge vocal plus one to Ken if he can get Christian's work on the map regarding the power structure. Licensing can apparently be sorted out as he seems open to making changes. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)
Dylan McCall wrote: The notification area exists for programs to present information about notable happenings. That Rhythmbox is running is by no means a notable happening. If you want to make a difference, get involved in the specifications that matter. Most importantly -- _FILE BUGS_ against apps that break the specification in Ubuntu. http://standards.freedesktop.org/systemtray-spec/systemtray-spec-0.2.html Quote: From a UI standpoint, the system tray is normally used for transient icons that indicate some special state, while full-blown applets are used for permanent dock/panel features. For example, a system tray icon might appear to tell the user that they have new mail, or have an incoming instant message, or something along those lines. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intuitive application lister and other loopy discussions (was Re: next meeting)
Jan Niklas Hasse wrote: GNOME Applets aren't an alternative because they are only available for GNOME. XCFE, KDE, Windows for example use GTK+ applications, too! So please stop blaming developers that they shouldn't use the notification area without providing an alternative with the same quality or wait until such an alternative is available. I don't think anyone was blaming anyone. I have an extremely difficult time seeing exactly what you appear flustered about. The reality is that there HAS been work to try and get the Notification Tray some standardization. Free Software tries to support more than a few ideas at FreeDesktop.org. This seems relevant. If you want small icons for your running programs, I would assume this can be accomplished through other means. It _appears_ that the goal of that spec hints toward this. If an app isn't 'notifying' you of something in a transient manner, it simply doesn't appear it should be in that tray according to the spec. That could very well be a bug. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] wav instead of ogg - ATTN KEN (kwwii)
Carlos Moreno wrote: If that's not the case in this list (that is, if this list is intended for people to send files as attachments), please guys let me know, in which case I would be forced to unsubscribe from the list. Ken - perhaps we should announce this as a rule for the list to abide by? I have been under the impression that smaller attachments were acceptable, but perhaps this view suffers from poor optics based on the varying levels of connection. I would forward a motion to ban all attachments from this list in the interest of keeping _everyone_ able to participate in the discussions. From this point onwards, no attachments would be considered acceptable with a link to the threads when someone 'violates' the conduct. Acceptable means of presenting work would then fall into the URL link format to an external source. This could also be coupled with a file size / thumbnail warning etc. Trying desperately to not be too 'political' about this, but I feel losing list participants is far more detrimental than deterring attachments. Fair? Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] panel icons
Kenneth Wimer wrote: Attached is a png file with ideas for the panel icons. Which is better, the etched look or the simple 2d look? Probably not what you want to hear and repetitive - but isn't it dependent on what the overall approach is going to aim for? Honestly, they are both top shelf implementations, and better than what we have by an order of a magnitude. Not sold on the update manager 'bang' however. Orangey yellow with that shape from my North American slanted culture feels like a 'Pow!' is written there. Again though, that is completely relative to my rather useless brain. When it comes to complexity, the plethora of multi-coloured-nightmare 22 pixel blobs aren't doing us any help. +632 to simplifying the mess of Tango meaningless blobs. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] panel icons
Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: In my opinion we need the icons to have a border, in order to make them visible on lots of backgrounds. Gosh. Can we for once in this wonderfully claustrophobic land of vacuous style and vacant design goals let go of this hideous trait? Can we just worry about making something aesthetically stable with a singular vision? Ken's icons are the _first_ glimmer of _real_ hope in Ubuntu art and design I have seen in the past four years. It is a foolish path and an even bigger anchor. This 'everything / everyone / always' fallacy drags what little bleak art and design ideology we adopt into the pablum middle grey haze of hopelessness. Let's see what the new New York Ballet campaign looks like with colour! Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks
Ken and xl (once again great effort xl): Do you think this might be a wonderful opportunity to attempt and ease off of the stuck-in-this-mindset conservativism by implementing a small yet significant change to Ubuntu? I believe this can be accomplished by making the shift to Murrine with a custom configuration. Dial down the nasty naff gloss and hone it into something _close_ to current Ubuntulooks? Judging from xl's work thus far, it appears he might be able to put the leg-work into getting the config file polished enough for Hardy's release. At least then we have a starting point for the real fight... Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hacking clearlooks engine.
Troy James Sobotka wrote: xl cheese wrote: If I could figure out how to make the location toolbar not use the same toolbar gradient I think it would look better and more consistant. Try integrating the pixmap engine and changing the class styling for edit boxes. There are a few good samples on gnome-look. The tweak would be minor. It is the only way I can think of reducing the impact of the tweak. Sorry, I wasn't terribly clear. If you muck around with the classes in Pixmap, you can probably quickly find which one you need to twiddle with. That said, I would bet that Mikkel or Cimi could point you in the proper direction and save this muck time. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop kickin' the dead horse - Create a full Union GTK theme.
xl cheese wrote: In gutsy: System - Preferences - Appearance We need more people like you around this group, xl. People who actually produce the hard nuts and bolts work are a rare breed. Kudos to you. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme Teams. Moving Forward. Making Stuff!
Who wrote: 3. We shouldn't get hung up on being the default theme. We gain freedom of design by NOT being default, and we can still reach many people (Epiphany team doesn't stop because Firefox is deafult... Why should we ONLY concentrate on the default theme) With a little regular cleanup and such, this would probably be a great starting point for a 'Blueprint' at Launchpad. For those that are unaware of Launchpad and its potential for keeping people 'in the loop' on discussions like this: 1) Create a wiki page as an outline of your idea. 2) Create a Blueprint at Launchpad. Create a Team. 3) Attach the wiki page to the Blueprint and sign the team up. Now you can keep the ongoing and pertinent discussions on the wiki in a tidy area. Not only that, but every change that is _not_ marked as Trivial will be automatically sent an email update. Who, maybe you can gauge response to the idea by the size of the team and keep things organized? Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Most Hated Bug continued
Nicolas Deschildre wrote: When I see a logo drawn like this like with pencils, it gives an artistic connotation and I will expect the website to be somehow artwork-related. Ignore your feelings. You are beginning to fall into the FOSS trap when it comes to art and design - the avoiding of anything that creates any sort of emotional attachment. The presentation on a website is a far cry from an agnostic api or tidbit of code. Even if the random speculation were relevant or accurate, it would be another discussion altogether on whether there were merits in the association. It is your site, but beware -- the art direction decisions you are choosing will have a noted impact on adoption, usage, and resulting success. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Most Hated Bug continued
Nicolas Deschildre wrote: The bug in the Ubuntu battery is original, but the most hated part of the message is also missing. As proof of my last point. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that it is a can of bug killer. *sigh*. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop kickin' the dead horse - Create a full Union GTK theme.
Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote: Blue OR blue + green, well combined will give you a Peace of Mind feeling [don't think a second that $MS designers are stupid]. Once again, colour psychology has been debunked 100 times in 10 different environments. Don't even think about going there. Look no further than the most extreme cases of light - black and white. Black is sometimes associated with death in some cultures, white in others. We have been over this rubbish 1000 times before. Don't peddle it here without getting a swift bout of recourse. It is utter tripe, utterly misleading, and a complete distraction from the point at hand. Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote: First functionality, then the candy - that's the rule in Design. And you are aware that our now ubiquitous 'form versus function' was a general byproduct of the Swiss Style movement? It is also a dated approach from a contemporary standpoint. You are also aware that movements change? You just barfed up some fictional fact that once again is rooted in contextual relationship to society and artistic / design tends. Sorry, but I have been reading this list too long to put up with yet-another-fictional-fact regarding art and design. You just said something close to Disco is the only musical style out there. It will always be the way to create music. or Food that is always built with no spice or herbs will always be successful to every audience that tastes them. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.
Andrew Laignel wrote: Hey, I was only saying that votes are valuable in so far as to find out what not to do and finding out what people hate is important. Neutral doesn't have to be bland or lacking in style, it just needs to avoid polarizing people. And this is the exact opposite as to what I have been trying to stress all along, especially when it comes to a theme. _Good_ design _will_ create extremely strong emotional attachment in an audience. It _will_ polarize. It _will_ create zealots and fanboys. It will also create the opposite. This is _not_ a bad thing. Some people _hate_ Apple and would never buy one of their products, but their stock is still probably one of the most upward expanding. And your comparison to automobiles is exactly spot on. There are automobiles that you probably identify with and others that you would not go close to. That too is by design. Are you an SUV person? No? Its a huge market however. 1 - We have the ethical foundation in FOSS to design around. 2 - We have a superior piece of technology to design around. 3 - We have a core of extremely passionate, talented, and amazing minds to design around. Ubuntu _crrently_ is already the epitome of bland, undirected, tepid, and vacuous presentations. It hasn't worked. The technology has proved amazing, but in terms of actual _attraction_, it has been sub optimal. See any number of the silly complaints about brown or other nitpicking off of Digg or like site to see the symptomatic byproduct of poor design. Our only way forwards is to _finally_ attack the low level, fundamental issue as listed in nearly every introductory art and design book on the planet: From Creativity for Graphic Designers: A single, clearly defined audience. It is difficult to persuade a sixteen-year-old and his seventy-five-year-old grandparent in the same communication. A single message. If the message to be communicated cannot be distilled down to one or two sentences, you are saying too much. You are ready to proceed if you can clearly and concisely define the following: 1 - The client. 2 - The audience. 3 - The message. 4 - The client's motivation. 5 - The audience's motivation. 6 - The competition. 7 - The environment. 8 - The audience's desired response. ISBN: 0-58180-055-X pgs 30-31 From Design Basics Index: Designers are hired to create visuals that effectively deliver a specific message to a specific segment of the population. Clarity: Are the literal, stylistic and thematic messages of this piece clearly and efficiently presented? Audience: Who is the target viewer for this piece? Purpose: What exactly is this piece supposed to do? ISBN: 1-58180-501-2 pgs 327-339 Sincerely, TJS PS: This discussion obviously only applies to the missing components within Ubuntu's default look. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.
julian wrote: we need to see mockups in one place as opposed to scattered over several sites and hidden as attachments in nests of threads: This has been established at least thrice in my knowledge, and at no point do people bother to tidy things up into an organized manner. The people who want this kind of order will end up doing it themselves. I wanted it at one point, and Imagemagick'd the various elements into standard sizes and such on the wiki. I might add that these sorts of rules have been tried _yet again_ on the recent let's redo the wiki binge, and still people cannot seem to follow the idea of working toward an overarching goal for layout. both list and public votes would be a great start to knowing what artists and users actually think is a good direction. Are you speaking of community based themes or default? Once again I find the idea of voting absolutely laughable, however, if the goal is to appease a mainstream operating system individual. Gnome-Look or any of the other high traffic sites does not yield useful information to anyone outside of the demographic of a ten year old manga-anime enthusiast. yes, of course voting is flawed in several primary ways, but far less so than the current war-of-voices model - one reserved only to this list. at this stage it would be wise to get a singular sense of 'public' (read active forum user) and list-wide opinion. There is no war. There never has been war. There is only sabdfl and his way that he chooses to run his company. I applaud his patience, monetary input, and brilliance in this light. Voting is also irrelevant. The poorly conceived Edgy byproduct achieved approximately 75% voter approval over the existing artwork of Dapper. It made no difference, and nor should it. the only thing to fear from a vote is the reality that your contributions are not as popular as you would like them to be. And given enough votes, all things will median. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.
tonic wrote: well there is voting one man, one vote Hilarious. And yes, quite right. sabdfl I suppose _does_ vote. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.
julian wrote: can you list these three attempts here for the benefit of review? To the best of my ability: 1) Roughly about Warty there was a community effort. The original Launchpad group was created from what I can recall. 2) Around Edgy there was a pretty decent push to get people to organize the works into singular bodies so that they were scannable to outside eyes (Namely Mr. Shuttleworth). IIRC, the original bombard the wiki and mailinglist approach (which most are now quite familiar with ;) ) was regarding usplash contributions. 3) Hardy saw some further guidelines and attempts to have people locate their work on the wiki (as has been clearly stated since Dapper -- the Wiki and this mailing list have been the primary focus to prevent further (and it appears unavoidable) fracturing of focus) To this end, I _will_ say that things have gotten better -- albeit extremely slowly. At least now people know that this list is the hitch pin of work in conjunction with the wiki. The wiki itself is used more as well (as is clear by Ken's works). Unfortunately, more people would need to learn or use the scripts that nothlit and others have made available. The reason being that Imagemagick provides pro top shelf tools for collaging and contact sheet type of work. It also handles images of 16bpc etc. what are your opinions of the Ubuntu Brainstorming Site, and it's goal to have a voting mechanism? Let me make one thing clear -- I am an _avid_ supporter of Free Software and the processes that surround that. That said, I am also extremely aware that _never_ has Free Software involved unilateral democracy. Voting regarding bugs? Probably a good way to try and get momentum to get them fixed. Will it create a 'The Ubuntu devs must now fix the bug'? No. Voting regarding ideas? Sure! Will it produce 'Now this feature will be created by the devs who are capable'? No. Art and design -- the one thing that Free Software still has leagues to learn about -- is also very much like the 'team democracy' present in Ubuntu. It cannot work under unilateral democracy. Tango is proof in the pudding. Tango is a project that welcomes contributions, maintains an incredible amount of output, and managed to forge ahead. Is it a unilateral democracy? No. Should it be? Heck no! Strictly speaking from professional experience, _every single project_ I have been involved in that has leaned toward the unilateral democracy approach has flailed miserably. Singular vision does _not_, in any way shape or form, lead to success either. The best works I can cite however, across a broad range of disciplines, are all the byproduct thereof, however. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.
Andrew Laignel wrote: Ideally a default theme should not be even noticed by the public - being neutral and innofensive as possible should be the goal. A perfect demonstration of this is Apple, where the current theme for OSX is crips, clean, stylish and probably as neutral as you can get - no loud colours, drastic layouts or hard edges. Am I reading this? OSX has for the longest time held away _many_ users because their audience has been so clearly stated time and time again. It has just recently begun to pay extreme dividends on their unflinching dedication to that audience. And yes -- people _LOVE_ Apple and people _HATE_ them. It is _not_ colour neutral. It is _not_ 'musak' as you so seem willing to flog. It is a complete campaign based around Time Machine from the ground up. Everything - every single little detail regarding art and presentation around Leopard is centred around it. J. Ive vaulted into the role of ye-who-can-do-no-wrong by modelling the coloured iMacs after gummy drops. He even went on a research tour to round out his knowledge. Please, do a little research. Apple does not make musak. As anyone would tell you, I am the furthest thing away from an Apple fanboy, but they treat art / design / sound / etc. with the respect, knowledge, and training it deserves. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.
Justin Rogers wrote: I have been watching for about two months now, waiting to see how I can contribute. Who ever is leading this project, I am still uncertain, have put very little effort into it overall. I believe we were promised some sort of direction on the Wiki like a month ago. At this rate there is no way any new theme will ever get into 8.04. To put it bluntly the leadership on this project sucks! First, leadership is a wonderful thing to talk about, but a whole other thing to accomplish. Second, you can play a 'mental game' for yourself. Imagine a list such as this where 100 people submit ideas. You have your own personal aesthetic. You have the aesthetic of people who are 'in charge'. You have individual belief structures. Now you have 1000 different belief patterns, 100 different submissions, and the various computational byproducts. What direction do you go? Every single poor design decision in history has been agreed upon by someone somewhere who thought it was a good idea. Look no further than this list if you need proof. Third, you have people who refuse to examine the history, wiki, or other easily accessible information out there. As has been made clear a thousand times before, the paid art liason is Kenneth Wimer (aka kwwii on Freenode). The final art arbitrator of all things Ubuntu is sabdfl - Mark Shuttleworth. 1) No there won't ever be voting. It is a hideous route to follow for design. Arguably, it can also be a shortcoming, but voting isn't the answer. 2) kwwii (as per email to the list) has been on vacation. I hope this helps, and I hope that perhaps you will see that the situation isn't nearly as simple as some people would like it to be. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] artwork for the Ubuntu idea brainstorming website
Nicolas Deschildre wrote: - Two banners, one for the Ubuntu idea brainstorming part, and one for the Ubuntu most hated bug tracker. Here is a really quick knock off for the 'yet-to-be-named' idea site. Sincerely, TJS inline: idea-arena.png signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] artwork for the Ubuntu idea brainstorming website
Amazing work! Nicolas Deschildre wrote: The QA team and I have been developing the future Ubuntu idea brainstorming website, codenamed tokamak (cf blueprint [1]). Another separate module will also track the most hated bug by allowing to vote for them. The website is beginning to mature, and we have a test server here [2]. Wonderful ideas in there. A few quick questions: 1 - I have long promoted the ditching of the Ubuntu title font in everything outside of the word Ubuntu. Are you against changing the 'logo' to a font outside of the Ubuntu title font family? It is a sub-optimal font for anything other than the Ubuntu name. 2 - I assume you are providing a quick mechanism to link in with Launchpad services? Bugs / Blueprints / etc? The copy / paste links are a very smart inclusion. 3 - Are you going to include categories? I would imagine a big slush is sub-optimal. But unfortunately my artistic skills are not as good as my programming ones! We will need to work on the following artwork: - Two banners, one for the Ubuntu idea brainstorming part, and one for the Ubuntu most hated bug tracker. 4 - Having created that little ISO testing icon image, I don't mind trying my hand at the banners, but you forgot to mention destination format needs. Size? Where will it be integrated in the samples you provided? - Some images links. An image link is a image template, in which we add some text with GD. Their purpose is to be published on external website and forums to promote an idea or a hated bug. See for example [3] and [4], with some concept images. What I had in mind ATM was one small image link, static, and one bigger, containing the title of the idea/bug and the number of votes. But size and number can be discussed. 4 - Can you provide some details on the dynamic nature of the font? In particular how big is a worst case scenario in terms of letters? What other information is going to be in there in terms of letters or numbers? I assume you are using Imagemagick as a back end, and as such, are there limitations in the font selection? 5 - Is this to be supplied via a Canonical server or a third party server location? Once again, this is a wonderful idea... TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Who is our target audience?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thorsten Wilms wrote: For projects taking 4 months max, the time you can spend worrying about your target audience is quite limited. Perhaps ignoring the time constraints is worthy? Maybe get the 'broad' strokes in place then finesse in the details. You can do a few interviews, maybe a little survey and otherwise hope to find some statistics out there. The needs and wants of the audience and any bias in taste remain assumptions. Ubuntu has an audience currently -- and without being too stereotypical, it is probably a slim margin of tech heads. We are also free to _choose_ and audience and attempt to address them. (By 'we' I mean Ubuntu -- not _us_ in the team.) We defined a number of users and thought about their needs and wants. That's better than having no structured base at all. 100% agreement here. And far more than what Ubuntu currently has. For an operating system environment, the target audience can be very diverse. Is this relevant? Of course it is a computer and can do much, but the default presentation should be strictly geared toward trying to attain emotional attachment, investment, and 'need' factor in a given group. I wonder if watering down a presentation to please everyone is a good path to follow in this regard? You missed my point. It wasn't about several distinct groups in the audience, it's about the question what exactly any single well defined group in the audience could tell us that is relevant to theming. The usefulness of a defined target audience is rather obvious for marketing and the selection of software to ship. But I really wonder what can be in there for theming? How do you think a typical 24 year old male construction worker would want his default installation to look? How about that 35 year old mother? Do you think we could draw a distinct difference in an agreed style between say, 16somethings and perhaps 25somethings for a given 'concept'? If Ubuntu actually were to embrace a concept for a given user set, I would indeed think that it was relevant to the theme. Apple's brushed aluminum interface didn't happen by chance, for example. In fact, the interface was a perfect match to the 'style' and 'presence' of the titanium laptop / desktop line. Being an extension of the overarching 'concept', is it wild speculation to suggest that it might be relevant indeed? Apple has a disproportionate number of artists and designers under their umbrella -- why? Because they have constantly catered to the needs of that group and treated them as 'important'. This has quite a lot to do with features and history (pioneering WYSIWYG and b/w but high-res displays), I think. And those happen by fluke? Remember, choosing your audience you wish to attract means appealing to their sensibilities, needs, desires, wishes, and style. Absolutely complicated and not exactly easy. Apple placed value on that demographic and the results are shown in the people it attracted. Automobile designers also must carefully focus on how they present a product -- a rugged ATV styled truck needs to be attractive to the quotient that is going to purchase it and emotionally invest in the success of the product. Hmm. What type of car would Ubuntu be? ;) Perhaps a sarcastic question, but an interesting one I would say... Unfortunately, in the end, the default installations presence and audience are outside of the scope of our realm and lays in the hands of the higher ups. Are you saying we should leave it all to them and do nothing until some artwork direction including target audience is presented to us? Yes. Picking an 'audience' for a presentation is well beyond our scope and up to the Canonical folks. If they be willing... ;) Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHcT3Oar0EasPEHjQRAvomAKDJrpVU8xo0oPiNB9wAm7dWPT488gCfWg6a NNUFe6Fq05GM8CRHJz4Lraw= =O14m -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Who is our target audience?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Damian Vila wrote: And Ubuntu won't be brown, that's for sure. I wonder if the trend toward eco friendly products could be embraced by a very 'earthy' feeling operating system. (Well 'earthy' in the 'idea', not the presentation) Unbleached CD packaging with a hand crafted designer feel? Watermarked raw feeling papers? It is a sad day that people throw out one of the fundamental distinctly positive aspects of Ubuntu without actually putting it in the hands of a talented and creative individual or individuals. Many designers would probably come to Ubuntu and have to push a mountain to get to having an earth toned presentation accepted, and yet we are willing to throw it out with the very real probability that changing a colour will result in the exact same fundamental flaws and issues. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHcT8gar0EasPEHjQRAsBuAJ95QuxXmyB1HoRGgWcvdvOiCxIdngCeL753 PWcXJG52ReLgh//2EJpLcdA= =QS5O -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Who is our target audience?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thorsten Wilms wrote: Having a clearly defined target audience would be of advantage. But I have to say that during my industrial design studies, this part was mostly guesswork. Then you didn't go to a very good school or for long enough. We defined a number of users and thought about their needs and wants. That's better than having no structured base at all. For an operating system environment, the target audience can be very diverse. Even if we got to know (as opposed to just assume) that one important fraction of the audience is mothers between 40 and 50, who mainly browse the web, use email and do a little office work ... what exactly would that tell us about the style to go for, the means of communication to express what we want to say? You are completely missing the point here. You can both define a 'desired' audience or cater to your existing audience if they are different groups. Apple has a disproportionate number of artists and designers under their umbrella -- why? Because they have constantly catered to the needs of that group and treated them as 'important'. Automobile designers also must carefully focus on how they present a product -- a rugged ATV styled truck needs to be attractive to the quotient that is going to purchase it and emotionally invest in the success of the product. The point of choosing an audience is not exactly as murky as you wish to paint it. It is perhaps one of the most valuable discussions this list has _ever_ seen. Unfortunately, in the end, the default installations presence and audience are outside of the scope of our realm and lays in the hands of the higher ups. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHb/SWar0EasPEHjQRAvlqAKCeA4VgEjLSl+j1sh23rAOdCV9IFwCgrRWT gME5Zme31L07mLBEIU3bf74= =hDKS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Fine Artist Joining Group and other tids.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Henning Ludeke wrote: Let me know if there's a need for research or contributions from a theoretical (visual arts theory) perspective, or if there are other art theorists on the list. I want to see Ubuntu making a serious statement on next release. (Let's give the guys in Redmond Infinite Loop a scare). Amen. I personally welcome more formally trained artists to this list. There are a few others out there with formal degrees in design / art, but they tend to be kludged to death by the 'way things are'. The more that are here to stay the better. +1 to formal training. Please, if you can bear it, stay here. Thorsten Wilms wrote: Keep collaborating? If things go on like this, there will be nothing but random opinions and mockups until 8.04. Absolutely. In the absence of focusing on a target, we get what we have now. Everyone in their mind has a target, and yet when we are dealing with the specifics of implementing a scheme, no one states it clearly. Repeat it over and over: Audience and Concept. Jayson Rowe wrote: Look at what Fedora 8 did with their new default theme Nodkia or whatever it's called I personally think the default theme should be as Generic as possible while still looking nice. And that statement is _exactly_ the temperment that gets us to where we are now. This is the recipe for utterly tepid delivery, bland presentation, and the rubbish that we see all over Free Software. Diana Fong did a _tremendous_ job with Fedora 5 through 7 and the work of 8 without her is utter tripe. It is curvey swoopy curls with zero concept, monochromatic monotony, and utterly bland presentation. Apples to oranges. Fedora made a complete debacle with Fedora 8 having to follow up on the progressive evolutions of 5-7. Back to Aesop -- try to please everyone and... It is a hideously ironic shame that an article was written accolading Fedora's work when 8 is but a dribble compared to the previous work of Fong's (and the folks who helped arrive at the concept etc.) Thorsten Wilms wrote: I think we are through with all the same opinions than come up every time it's about theming. So can we please just wait for more art direction and otherwise just work on mockups? Even the mockups are a waste of time considering the distinct lack of 'Who are we talking to?' and 'What are we trying to do?'. The pinnacle of this approach is probably (*sigh*) Apple. All of the earmarks of solid design are present in their approach for Leopard: 1) Clearly defined audience. It is no strange wonder why 'easy', 'simple', 'just a click' abounds through their presentations for Leopard. Notice how the presenter in the videos aren't suit-and-tie businessmen but rather a semi-casual professional. Every part of their presentation is geared to their audience. There is a good reason why they choose a 20something hip fellow for their I'm a PC, I'm a mac commercials from last year. Notice the lack of rather crusty looking older men promoting Ubuntu Live and the distinct absence of Wal-Mart flash photography with happy people. 2) Strong concept that bleeds throughout their presentation. Time Machine is their anchor for Leopard. Spacey connotations and attachments to awe are easily visible in the godray based 'time machine spacey' wallpaper. Backmasking in their video furthers this concept along. 3) Overarching design trends. While Vista is about three years late with that hideous gloss that still echoes on the gem buttons of OSX, you can see a complete overhaul happening away from that glossy trend. There is a 'movement' at play, and it is leading in a _new_ direction. It doesn't happen alone either -- even a precursory examination of contemporary design magazines will show you trends that make it quite obvious that the era of gummy shiney buttons is gone and we have a plethora of new stylistic tendencies filling the void. This does _not_ mean that there is a vacuum of style with the trend away from gloss -- but rather newer styles fill the void. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHbuBKar0EasPEHjQRAuq0AKDNQhI8Y6K83/yQQVrnSUXSFiCIEwCfdZCc e4cGRLuJiwamdmQukXLSGoM= =Rmgc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Art Director
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings all. An art director / designer associate of mine has graciously accepted an invitation for an interview. His name is Andrew Menzies ( http://imdb.com/name/nm0579980/ ). He is formally trained in Architectural design and has extended his experience into art direction / design on feature films. Aside from being a great and knowledgeable guy, I thought that his insights might be able to elevate some of the principles and notions of art / design / etc. in Free Software if they were formalized into a 'Question and Answer' format. It will be certainly a single person vantage, but one that comes with a good deal of experience and training behind the offerings. To this end, I am extending this invitation out to all of the readers on the list (and I do mean _all_). If you have a question of workflow / approach / etc., please feel free to offer it up. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHbWiWar0EasPEHjQRApn3AJsGWhG097BoP1pWS57YdbIMVrCZWACfSm7b vlKHGcyD7GCP1rq3JCi/Iok= =WNxh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Anyone Remember this idea?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 xl cheese wrote: I thought is was a good use of brown. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2620273#post2620273 Seriously folks, look at the details on this: 1) It is completely devoid of any concept or goal. 2) It resorts to the already vacuous and tripey 'swervy curleys'. 3) It is yet _again_ monochromatic and monotonous. Above any beyond that, the only attractive element of that mock from the viewpoint of the end user coming from a Windows or Mac environment is perhaps the AWN-styled dock - something that will not happen as we are tightly bound with the default layouts of upstream GNOME (for reasons of documentation and other details). It is completely devoid of anything in terms of progressive design from where Ubuntu currently stands. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHbE7uar0EasPEHjQRAjFcAJ9YrkkAJ1z7NDNJhswBZq/q0C3LVwCgwodG L3uqK+aEJmQ/Vy573jkwJkw= =eq2w -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Choosing color palettes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Nuzum wrote: Still, I've seen artists do this by eye and come up with spectacular results that make any auto-generated theme look calculated and mathematical. Rather spot on. That said, at least understanding how some basic colour theory works in principle to pull out colour chords and such is probably a good starting point for many who have zero to no experience in the subject. If we head further down this path, we could potentially suggest that the work accomplished thus far (and in the past for that matter) would do well to have the basic principles highlighted. The immediate value of a decent colour palette tool is in its experimentation ability. Colorscheme2 is the most 'by-the-book' tool I have found so far, and it offers a good degree of flexibility to roll the colour wheels locked in some of the more standard approaches. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHatyiar0EasPEHjQRAgVCAKCaG6ki0vcWL5t797xI0hTiojZwyACfZU8K /OLTBQEh2acF+I40bdc/Af0= =y3Sh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 julian wrote: 1 - we don't need desktops that demand to be noticed. we need desktops that look and feel great to /use/. 2 - they must be easy on the eye for sustained periods of use. I wish I was as certain in this world as you are. What does 'feel great to use' mean? What does 'easy on the eye' mean? Are these two rather bold statements not rooted in an implied audience? What else do 'we' need? How is this any different than saying We need food that tastes great to eat? Easy on the eye for one of my visually impaired friends means high contrast icons and text, so he doesn't need to strain his head toward the screen. Feel great to use for someone with motor impairment might mean exceptionally large buttons, while on the other hand, for my compositing expert friend means 1000 buttons in places all around the edge of the screen similar to Nuke. Is this what you intended? Should we not be considering our audience in relation to those statements? 1 - this is not how desktops are actually used or experienced, 2 - computer desktops don't exist to be appreciated as a singular work of eye-catching art. 3 - the /primary/ value of a desktop is not aesthetic, it is functional. 4 - this is not how desktops are actually used or experienced, especially given the background is rarely seen during daily use. Again, I am completely envious of your certainty in this world. Could you point me to your globally accepted reference on computing? It would be a very useful addition to my library. I would love to finally learn how desktops are actually used or experienced. A good number of mature users put snapshots of their children on their desktops. Are these 'rarely seen' backgrounds relevant to those users? When the user sees those emotionally loaded images, does it not have a very real experiential quotient? Could other images have a similar impact? Why does a even a brief and precursory analysis of desktop computing history show changes such as wallpaper and colour tones that are _purely_ aesthetic (1)? Does this not speak to an attempt to embrace a particular audience's aesthetic sensibilities? And if not aesthetic, why do Microsoft and Apple employ extremely well paid and educated art / design talents at all? Why hire world renowned aesthetic and sound designers (2)? In the great realm of 'form versus function', is not aesthetic acceptability / attraction to an implied audience a function (3)? How do teenagers fit into this? What about business class enterprise users in a bank, for example? And a little off topic but related -- if clothing attire in our world is any indication, do you think that there is a chance that the aesthetics of how you 'dress' impact areas beyond pure functionality? Of course, your statement of 'singular appearance of eye-catching art' is spot on the mark, which is why the Apple cube was entered into the Museum of Modern Art (4). How curious... i think you've missed the crux of my point here. Quite probably. Remember that we are trying to discuss the _default_ look and feel as it is presented in the mass market. The health of Ubuntu will hang in the balance of those decisions. Art and design is language. Who are we speaking to with that default design? What do we want to say? Who are we trying to attract and how are they potentially different than the audience groups currently using Ubuntu? Can we mitigate the differences, and if so, how? Sincerely, TJS 1 - http://www.guidebookgallery.org/timelines 2 - http://channel9.msdn.com/showpost.aspx?postid=287615 3 - Aesthetic-Usability Effect from Universal Principles of Design pg 18-19 and Color pg 38-39 for example ISBN 1-59253-007-9 4 - http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E01E6D8173EF935A2575BC0A9679C8B63n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Organizations/M/Museum%20of%20Modern%20Art -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHWY5zar0EasPEHjQRAizQAKDX9QJUIuRk0D0S63mRqPnj0v44JwCfRCsf r3EYFnjl06mKuVHGLTeg8UA= =f2vC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 julian wrote: ..on Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:30:53PM +0200, Özgür BASKIN wrote: +1 for elephant-skin picture :) i think the cleanest themes are those that simply don't a) try to make a strong artistic statement and b) don't try to bring the corporeal world into the digital. in the end is just smells like a bad magic trick. Think again. Your statement tends to put about 1000 years of art and design knowledge into the back seat, lock the door, and throw out the key. It has been proven time and time again that strong deliveries of art / design _will_ have a very obvious impact on both sales(1), adoption, and even perceived 'usability'(2). If you need further proof aside from the general award winning home designs, product design, or pretty much _anything_ else surrounding you in your everyday life, you can always go back to the rather standard comparisons with Apple and Microsoft. Apple's Leopard campaign is a very tight presentation from wallpaper to marketing to website embracing the spacey connotations of their Time Machine software -- extending even into the sound design of their promotional video that features a rather funky back masking cue. Vista, aside from their gaudy plastic packaging and such, uses the simple connections to water godrays and like 'tricks' to try and instill the user with 'awe' and 'wow'. The wallpaper works pretty well in this regard. If you are hoping for more bland monochromatic presentations, you might well get your wish as it is pretty trendy in our limited design capacities out here in Free Software. That said, it doesn't make your opinion correct nor founded on any hard reality. Tepid watered down deliveries are not the path of the future. Sincerely, TJS 1 - You can easily look to the advent of album cover design in the music industry. The 1930's, Alex Steinweiss created the first 'album' cover as we know it today. While working at CBS records he had the 'epiphany' that the plain white album jackets were unattractive and lacked any appeal. With the advent of artistic and designed album art hit the business, sales rocketed. Newsweek reported that sales for the designed albums, including Bruno Walter's Beethoven Eroica Symphony broke _all_ records compared to the same release in a non-illustrated package. The rest is, as they say, history. 2 - Consider the 'Aesthetic Usability Effect' as described in Universal Principles of Design. Loosely, it describes a noted response that designs hitting on the aesthetic sensibilities of a given user will have resultant feedback offered that a design was easier to use and more enjoyed than a design devoid of the attempted aesthetic, despite a similarity of features. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHWLnLar0EasPEHjQRAgTwAKDAYlPtUfbWpI+vIXk56P4k0p75QQCgtaGY 9+zqMVXa0f1rGsCnwdHD/sE= =Mz+0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] hardy gtk theme
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote: Another problem with dark themes is a purely technical one. I've done a handful dark themes myself, but they always end up with small glitches here and there because not all apps are designed to respect the theme 100% This makes for a bit of an amateurish feel in the long run. That is not acceptable for Hardy. I always seem to find myself in agreement with Mikkel's observations and conclusions. - From the flurry of 'gtk' observations: 1) Dark themes always break, as per Mikkel's observations. It was a weak point on Ubuntu Studio's theme, and would probably be a crook in this one. In particular, until the panel theme gtkrc issue is resolved, there will almost always be some strange icon residue at the very least. 2) The heavy Crayola outlining of all buttons / tabs / etc. is completely counter any notion of elegance or grace. It is perhaps the weakest element of Tango, and it simply makes work look bold and clunky. Assuming a general audience, we can assume that they can find a button with a fine line. Please let the caustic outlines of Clearlooks / Tango / et al die. It is just weak. 3) The radius of Patel's buttons is a lovely compliment of both subtlety and other features is wonderful. The subtlety of the linework is something to aim for. Even the buttons could use some lightening on the lines. Metacity 2.0 can even do the windows to a similar radii, but the antialiasing makes it rather clunky looking. We would need to resolve this to go with that lovely radius on the windows. 4) The uniform Metacity to GTK Patel window is top shelf, even if a bit OSX. Another +1 from me. 5) I dare say that I disagree with the esteemed MacSlow on the point of differing radii on the various controls. Contrast is a wonderful thing. And god knows we have lived long enough in the monochromatic Ubuntu world. 6) Glossy is done like dinner. It is completely mooky to keep following that path, as it was way back in Edgy. 7) Another +1 to Ken for citing that polling people is pretty useless in the context that the people you are polling are already using Ubuntu. Further, one can only guess what an elephant would look like if designed by polling (or some HIG for that matter). Back to the grinder... TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHMUWPar0EasPEHjQRAtYDAJ0aPuKxKTAsq2wKxWRu5U659lDCtQCfcIo7 rek3+DzsgpogF5cJeWArSuY= =fgFD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] [Ubuntu-Art] Hardy GTK theme
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote: Another problem with dark themes is a purely technical one. I've done a handful dark themes myself, but they always end up with small glitches here and there because not all apps are designed to respect the theme 100% This makes for a bit of an amateurish feel in the long run. That is not acceptable for Hardy. I always seem to find myself in agreement with Mikkel's observations and conclusions. - - From the flurry of 'gtk' observations: 1) Dark themes always break, as per Mikkel's observations. It was a weak point on Ubuntu Studio's theme, and would probably be a crook in this one. In particular, until the panel theme gtkrc issue is resolved, there will almost always be some strange icon residue at the very least. 2) The heavy Crayola outlining of all buttons / tabs / etc. is completely counter any notion of elegance or grace. It is perhaps the weakest element of Tango, and it simply makes work look bold and clunky. Assuming a general audience, we can assume that they can find a button with a fine line. Please let the caustic outlines of Clearlooks / Tango / et al die. It is just weak. 3) The radius of Patel's buttons is a lovely compliment of both subtlety and other features is wonderful. The subtlety of the linework is something to aim for. Even the buttons could use some lightening on the lines. Metacity 2.0 can even do the windows to a similar radii, but the antialiasing makes it rather clunky looking. We would need to resolve this to go with that lovely radius on the windows. 4) The uniform Metacity to GTK Patel window is top shelf, even if a bit OSX. Another +1 from me. 5) I dare say that I disagree with the esteemed MacSlow on the point of differing radii on the various controls. Contrast is a wonderful thing. And god knows we have lived long enough in the monochromatic Ubuntu world. 6) Glossy is done like dinner. It is completely mooky to keep following that path, as it was way back in Edgy. 7) Another +1 to Ken for citing that polling people is pretty useless in the context that the people you are polling are already using Ubuntu. Further, one can only guess what an elephant would look like if designed by polling (or some HIG for that matter). 8) Forest through the trees. Remember that the GTK is one component of the entire presentation. Perhaps we should be considering the other elements that are playing in that symphony? Back to the grinder... TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHMUm5ar0EasPEHjQRAlTTAJ0RmcMIDB3DLsOHP78G1OVxAxNfrwCfTsTN dfm9sz7ieWMar+QESzBsvJY= =68Ki -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] More of same.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 During the Edgy cycle we tried a more open, community approach to the artwork and it failed miserably. I see this pop up from time to time, and I would like once again to address it. First, some people push hard for changes and some wriggle like little devils against them. Agendas. Second, why did it fail? Did anyone actually stop and analyze that? This debacle is no better nor any worse. It has the _exact_ same point of failure. Third, by 'failing miserably' one might ask 'to whom'. How is our current result any different? Perspective is a relative thing. The failure of anything during that cycle was a direct byproduct of inattentive steering by the individual that matters most. I suppose that someone had unrealistic expectations for Edgy. Perhaps we all have unrealistic expectations for Ubuntu as a whole. I can see no better way for a community to prove itself (after all, who really should listen to a crop of people with nothing more than opinions and hot air behind their views) than to go out and create work. There are _many_ free software projects that are just dying for help and support on the art and design front. Maybe all of this 'furor' over the default wallpaper and the state of Ubuntu design would be better vented out by helping out the projects that so deeply desire the help? In doing so, perhaps we can all learn a little bit more about the extremely complex mechanics behind operating system evolutionary design. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG+LLWar0EasPEHjQRAik/AKCm1gHN6bYy2ZshXQiZl1qWhkAHMQCgq9s7 +zLLqQ2vH69pgZPlGoee3tU= =0zg+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New member/ Gutsy wallpaper observation.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Nilsson wrote: A bike shed on the other hand. Anyone can build one of those over a weekend, and still have time to watch the game on TV. So no matter how well prepared, no matter how reasonable you are with your proposal, somebody will seize the chance to show that he is doing his job, that he is paying attention, that he is /here/. (from http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING) Actually, if you have a clearly outlined audience and design goal, it is quite easy to take the broad subjective murmurings out of the mixture. - From that point forwards, you evaluate the work based on whether or not it is communicating with the audience and delivering on the goal. Still estimation, but well away from the It's ugly etc. discussion. Rather art and design 101. That said, of the following points: -It's too dark -Grainy -Looks too much like Vista It's too dark falls into the completely relative world of bikeshedding. Grainy could possibly be quantified. I am sure the dithering issue can be adjusted, although the percentage of zoom on the source image is probably adversely affecting this. Looks too much like Vista is probably touching on the larger statement that it is of the 'sweepy / swoopy / curve' genre, which it most certainly is seated within. So of the three, two are relatively useful commentaries. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG9SbSar0EasPEHjQRAnhVAJ9IaueceWwDJmzhFY39KdSFwUjnaQCfaSGL 3cXznMHz+ATTDsEIiK/RucM= =3/Iz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] My new Wallpaper
Matthew Nuzum wrote: How did you create those parallel curved lines? That's an interesting technique and I can't think of any easy way to do that. Deadly easy. 1) Make a spline in Inkscape. 2) Duplicate it and paste in place using Ctl-Alt-V. 3) Spread out the duplicate along an axis -- use Ctl to constrain it. 4) Duplicate both and do the same. 5) Double duplicate again. 6) Use the 'Align and Distribute' tool to evenly space the splines. There are many more complicated things you could do using this, but that is the basic simple starting point. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] white blur around text wanted/needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kenneth Wimer wrote: Hi all, As seen in these screens: http://gnomestyle.blogspot.com/2007/05/make-ubuntu-look-like-vista.html It is possible to have a nice blur around the text to help it stand out when overlayed and transparent. Anyone interested in hacking such and effect into our windeco stuff? That isn't metacity. That's Emerald. It isn't easily possible with Metacity unless you tried a stepped gradient of offsetting the text. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGz0xtar0EasPEHjQRAqJcAKDOaQoRHfzgl2H9gdhZurJvEnRzCQCfepcN /dM11ySI4nbhyy+Tk2oyPIQ= =UHQE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] List Submissions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 However, I am asking permission from the list to simply delete them all, and start anew. Opinions would be appreciated. Kenneth Wimer wrote: As one can simply join the team and post to the list I think it would be fine to simply delete all the submissions from non-members. Anyone seriously intersested in posting to this list can and will join the team and post their mail so in my opinion, delete them. In the interest of freedom and openness, and strictly from a personal vantage, I am quite interested in the thoughts and opinions of people 'outside' those that would be willing to join a list. It is truly unfortunate that we would need to delete them? Could we not permit such messages until the point that our spam trappers fail? Is there a way to examine the mails and pass applicable messages onto the official listing? I might be able to manage a few of them, but my schedule now with a few projects nearing completion is rather full. That said, in the interest of at least showing concern and dedication, I would be willing to try and sift through them. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGqYacar0EasPEHjQRAmxdAJ0fQe+ZC0JHkf9Uqdd6qHuoVX7z7ACfaip6 BpAMXC7SmUSHbzbXMM7Q1j0= =VZ2u -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Human iconset is incomplete and inconsistent
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexander van Loon wrote: 1. The Human iconset is not complete, less complete than Tango for example. 2. Currently the Tango/GNOME and Human iconset are being mixed. 3. There are no style guidelines or color palette for the Human iconset. Because of #2 there is inconsistency. As a likely consequence of #3, because of the missing style guidelines and color palette, the icons which are part of the set are probably not as consistent than in the case they were not missing. Spot on. Completely agree with you on both counts. Lack of a palette is a hideous misstep. Lack of design guidelines a second. Mixing Human and Tango also feels quite like mixing oil and water. And that is without involving the more subjective realm of aesthetics into the mixture. My question is then, does the Ubuntu (Art) development team and sabdfl see these three facts as problems? Obviously across six releases it is very clearly not an issue, as unfortunate at that may seem. If so, will something be done to solve these problems? I suspect not. The problem is far more systemic than the simple addressing of an icon set. It appears that Ubuntu's idea of 'consistency' is a far cry from the German Gesamtkunstwerk of the 19th century. Loosely, the term refers to the 'complete-art-work' as a whole, rather than discreet components. When viewing the 'total design' of Ubuntu, after six complete incarnations spanning over three years, it still resembles a limping three legged dog bred with an alligator after a night of debauchery. It is clearly not an issue nor a concern. That said, I have significant doubts that flipping to Tango would solve much. We would still have to negotiate the Tango icon set against the other design elements. Ultimately, it is probably up to an adept individual or team of individuals to present viable options to the end users. Sincerely, TJS PS: Kudos on your intelligent citing of concrete elements in a reasonable and logical manner. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGfegPar0EasPEHjQRAp1rAKCJc6aTdCUSWw8PLIst9xbl+o5bmACcDJNw fL2ylHDHhRgiN4XHkwbIkL0= =dU/2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Blubuntu Font Theme
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kenneth Wimer wrote: On Wednesday 13 June 2007 19:37:20 Zach Rattner wrote: Hi, I am interested in helping the development of Blubuntu. Would a new font scheme be possible? Everything else about Ubuntu is easily customizable, but the fonts always have to be changed manually. I think it would be a good idea to have a new default font for Blubuntu. I don't think it should be as wide as the current Ubuntu default font. The font is a matter of the desktop itself and is not include-able in any theme package system that I know of. You can set all of the fonts in gtkrc, but unfortunately, the default Ubuntu schema doesn't allow for the changing of the window title font as it is fixed set via a gconf setting. /apps/metacity/general/titlebar_uses_system_font Ken, would it seem logical to 'untoggle' this schema setting and set it such that it abides by the gtkrc requests (and obviously set it in the gtkrc as well)? Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGeExDar0EasPEHjQRArc7AKCGZ7oR32f/5UrOS5fGgQMePWSdzwCfVJ5l aqgD/ngAxrj7nDzUo5ZAlok= =Jr/Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Human iconset is incomplete and inconsistent
Alexander van Loon wrote: Besides that, is there anyone who prefers the Human iconset over Tangerine? The Human icons don't look professional at all, it looks blurry and ugly. From what I understand from previous posts on the mailing list, the only reason the Human iconset was created because sabdfl/Mark Shuttleworth likes them. Once again, that silly word 'professional' pops up. This is a subjective terms and relative strictly to your vantage. It also, in this case, happens to be rooted in a rather poor judgment call. The icons were designed by IconFactory -- the company that also happens to have a rather vast resume including creating output for such little known corporations as Microsoft. Your complaints are aesthetic, and you _might_ have people who agree with you. That said, if you predicate your complaints based on terms that try to legitimize your complaint as something more than an aesthetic argument, not many people are likely to listen. To answer your question, Mr. Shuttleworth has stated that his aesthetic disagrees with Tango / Tangerine's. While some view his stance on the icon selection as dictatorial and within his rights (sabdfl -- remember?) he is certainly not alone on the dismissal of Tango / Tangerine on aesthetic grounds. Hope this helps... TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Human iconset is incomplete and inconsistent
Ravi Shanker wrote: Whatever one says or gives opinion is just personal. You can't say anything without your personal analysis and thoughts. Its what human thinks and express. Everything is personal friend. You can't go universal saying anything. His personal opinion is this means a person didn't like or found something not so appealing. It means there is something wrong and should be worked out. This is completely incorrect. In traditional design circles, you speak in terms of 'audience' and 'goals'. This has _nothing_ to do with terms like 'professional', 'ugly' or other useless labeling. Alex Jones was quite right to hammer the issue right out of the gate. Who is the Ubuntu default look designed for? In what ways is it successful for this audience? In what ways could the message be clarified? What stylistic / thematic devices are being used? Are they dated or cliched? Those are _relevant_ debates in regards to aesthetics. Relativity does _not_ dismiss all discussions, but rather forces us to acknowledge the very real fact that a particular design / vantage might very well _not_ be directed at yourself. I too have discussed over this issue, that most of the icons are not sharp and have better contrast with the background. For example, 'sharp' means nothing here. Artists / Photographers use several techniques to achieve a contrast with background elements. All of those techniques have nothing to do with 'sharpness'. Tango, through the use of a double contrasting colour set near the edges, does this quite well and, as a whole, is a far way from 'sharp'. MacOSX plays with such things and is known to be best. Personal statement. If only J. Ive were on this list... One thing is sure, if the icon is good combination of color, design, contrast, and perspective, it looks good to everyone. _Complete_ and utter tripe. Let me rephrase this for you to highlight how foolish the statement truly is: One thing is sure, if the food is good combination of spice, baking, aroma, and ingredients, it tastes good to everyone. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Current Community Theme and a Good Read
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I just wanted to say that it is a pleasant experience to see interest popping up at the thought of a community theme. On a side note, here is a very good read to anyone interested in art and design from a person who is one of the top in their field. If Mr. Shuttleworth could find the time to read this it might be some wonderful food for thought: http://www.design-emotion.com/2006/04/30/getting-emotional-with-paul-bennett/ A _very_ relevant quotation: [In relation to the standout design of Starbucks and Apple] Secondly, do not be frightened of design ? what both these companies share is an innate sense of using design as a tool for really communicating their values at every possible stage of the consumers ?journey?? through their brand ? the stores, the ads, the packaging, the product, are all designed with equal care and attention. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGNkwCar0EasPEHjQRAmfaAJsGGLvMGpZWGHORIkPBlQtNSqNlfgCghqqZ 9cEyVLsSo5/C4SwSQWUz6+g= =AQli -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Current Community Theme and a Good Read
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Simon Hough wrote: Another point to maybe mention, since it has been leaked that Dell will be using Ubuntu on new PC`s sold will there still be the same community involvement? What is discussed in this thread is a community theme. There has been little community development through the rather... uh... impressive history of Ubuntu art and design, so I wouldn't see why that would change now. Further, it isn't really a concern. I don't want to see everyone working exceptionally hard and then it not making the cut even though the final product will have an exceptional look and feel. It's the nature of the beast. If it is satisfactory, I am pretty sure we can get it into the repositories. That said, at this juncture, no one has worked exceptionally hard on things. Worry about getting something out. Stallman has worked _exceptionally_ hard to get Free Software into the world, and you don't hear him crying foul. Finally, 'exceptional' is a bit of a stretch possibly. How about we get _something_ done by the community as a whole? Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGNqslar0EasPEHjQRAofuAJ9s9Red+mDdae1SnAPICm1BjBzynACgpHQ1 Cb1PWP3upfogEQW9RCwDw64= =OwuB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu ISO Testing Team Artwork
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Pavlik wrote: I find the same problem with the burning idea, and suspect it may not internationalize/localize well. Perhaps using the lightburst design from the Tango new icons combined with some of these other ideas may provide a more meaningful image. Guys look at the specs. 1) It is for Launchpad -- the audience doesn't really care about internationalization in this case. 2) The mugshot is 192x192 -- get out your pencils. 3) The logo is also quite large -- 64 by 64... I doubt anyone wants to see some stale Tango icon. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGL9xwar0EasPEHjQRAma/AJ0YoWeZAxtbr6E2Rvj63IdDZYTf/ACgh6pi HCQaIda/aLf1Uf/XrrrqmUQ= =SnJ/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Art Identity @ 305
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well we certainly aren't the '300' but we hit 305 members! That is a _lot_ of interest in Ubuntu artwork and design related matters. As a fun marker, and after having the ISO testing guys request some work, how about we do a little ditty up for ourselves? It's a free for all -- something humorous? Something serious? Whatever hits your fancy. If anyone is interested, ship the work off to me personally via email and I'll put it up on the Launchpad site. I'll take a scanned sketch all the way down to a fully finished SVG. In the exceptionally rare circumstance that we receive more than one submission, I'll shoot a poll up and we can decide which one we all want for our identity. Thanks go out to Etienne Bersace for his long standing identity branding work. Sincerely, TJS PS: The specifications for the Launchpad site are as follows: 1 SMALL ICON IMAGE: A small image of exactly 14x14 pixels and at most 5kb in size, that can be used to identify this team. The icon will be displayed whenever the team name is listed - for example in listings of bugs or on a person's membership table. 1 SMALL LOGO IMAGE: An image of exactly 64x64 pixels that will be displayed in the heading of all pages related to the team. Traditionally this is a logo, a small picture or a personal mascot. It should be no bigger than 50kb in size. 1 MUGSHOT IMAGE: A large image of exactly 192x192 pixels, that will be displayed on the team page in Launchpad. It should be no bigger than 100kb in size. Thanks for anyone who contributes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGMAJ+ar0EasPEHjQRAmsoAJ9U+8UrzP7shD2TSRtlhKeyxeY8LgCghcx9 tg70EgljU6fC59V42syzQow= =b7vS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Polls
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For those who are interested, there are a couple of new polls set up to get a grasp on our swelling membership numbers. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art/+polls Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGI9eAar0EasPEHjQRAqHfAJ41PTvxPXg3mbbR8ArBNYzXtoTFEgCgj5ft sgnEaFV7XN6xzz+MuhfcsKo= =n8eb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Colour
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 jmak wrote: Don't forget that color is not only a matter of aesthetics but it is a usability issue as well. There are plenty of info on the net about the effects of color on human psychology. Research the subject to see what I mean. I can't stress this enough, this is, by all empirical research, an urban myth. Color Psychology is an attempt to legitimize a field that was once referred to chromotherapy. It was used in ancient Egyptian and Chinese cultures. In contemporary terms, it is considered by most psychologists to be completely bunk. The American Medical Association dismissed it about a decade ago. Consider the following: In 1878 Edwin Babbit published The Principles of Light and Color: The Healing Power of Color. Babbit believed that pulsing coloured lights shone into the eyes could cure a deficiency in eyesight, correct eye coordination, and general health problems. We know today that ultraviolet light can kill bacteria, but Dinshah P Ghadiali4 claimed that he could cure a patient by shining multi-coloured light upon their bare skin. Calling it 'Spectro-Chrome Therapy', he said that the basic elements of the human body - oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen and carbon - all had a corollary colour; oxygen was blue, hydrogen red, nitrogen green, and carbon yellow. He said that the human body is responsive to these four 'colour wave potencies' and to cure disease it was necessary to administer the lacking colours or reduce the colours that have become too brilliant. After 30 years of criminal activity, including immoral relations with a 19-year-old girl who had been his secretary, making over a million dollars selling the device, 12 criminal counts and five years probation, a permanent injunction was issued in 1959 against Ghadiali and Spectro-Chrome, and in 1966, Ghadiali died. Amazingly enough, the Spectro-Chrome is still available by mail order. Do you think that colour psychology has much merit when it is listed on the same page that has astro psychics and UFO spottings? Rather Ubuntu aims at the global audience (dominated by western influences) that operates along different cultural lines. Again, this is rather Western centric. Remember, as of two years ago some of the most lauded designers were popping up in Starbucks and like coffee shop mentality. What was the base colour in most of those schemes? That's right -- _brown_. They won a boatload of awards fueling the organic brown earthy look and feel, and with good reason -- some of that work is _phenomenal_ and had a good deal to do with Starbuck's success. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGIPUPar0EasPEHjQRAlQQAKC1fCDqwNg9gaiiDm8hifmGGD4fjACgw5+g J5sUN2xHp3pDxA9zpRzI3CE= =TMp8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Colour
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 jmak wrote: I wrote: Colours are _culturally_ and _temporally_ rooted in meaning. Look to the colours of traditional wedding wear in Japan or different parts of tribal Africa for examples of cultural meaning. Look to the tonal differences between the 60s and 80s pop culture art for temporal examples. While I agree with you that the meaning of a color is culture dependent, but the question is how do you apply this principle in a cross-cultural context. After all, computer use cannot be reduced to a single cultural location but it is global. You can't. Attempting to do so would be no more foolish than attempting to invent your own language and hoping that it would work in every locale. It is silly to attempt it, and not worth it. It is not out of the ordinary to suggest that a design should choose an audience and speak to it. Companies that make creative design decisions don't worry about appealing to everyone. They choose a target and attack it. So Alvaro has a point here. During the years, I installed ubuntu for many computers, (mostly for teenagers, the children of my friends) and so far, in each case, I was requested to change Ubuntu's default color scheme. I still have to meet with the one who wants to keep it. I couldn't more strongly disagree. Brown is a great base colour when rounded out with a full design palette. Ubuntu currently suffers most desperately on at least the following three points: 1) No specified audience to speak to. 2) No communication goals. 3) In relation to the topic, lacking a well designed palette to communicate (2) to (1) effectively. Earth tones can work wondefully towards communicating 'earthy' ideals when implemented in the design structure. That said, when you fail to apply those notions, or worse -- as Ubuntu does -- use 'brown' just for 'browns' sake, you end up in a mire of mediocre design. Again, it is no huge leap of faith to suggest that brown _can_ work when supported with thoughtful design. Colour alone will do __nothing__ to change a user's opinion. Thoughtful design _will_. Ultimately, poor design will yield complaints that are all over the map. Generally, people will choose the most obvious thing -- in Ubuntu's case it is brown. It is less about the brown and more about the absolute vacuum concerning design matters relating to audience and communication goals. Middle grey 'appeal to everyone' mentality creates _zero_ 'must have' or 'need' in _any_ individuals mind. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGH600ar0EasPEHjQRAkK/AKDsxsGn1T2/c0Cw1nYkypl4brbHiwCfQi/W sFPW9OuxW7pe3UGY6DAE89U= =ZvWw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here is a Humanized offering of the arrow suggestion from Yann, along with the newer Apport notification icon and the existing Warning dialog icon. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF0e1Mar0EasPEHjQRAkXOAKDCSa6rDaMeremkzRbhVW+qDxLIjACdGBCd tyHt76MYNQpiahP/2X2kUdM= =jRW0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Shuttleworth wrote: *Really* like the arrows, the orange one suits me better but I could live with the red one too. Ken? Should be Humanized though shouldn't it? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF0nmuar0EasPEHjQRAtb4AJ9NeKs6jpQKm/TlUBPGiRB5vSW9agCgtZce psoPiC+yE/8ub9fbJfZPVQE= =rERY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Incoming Feisty art
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Prieto wrote: Er... I don't know much about monitor sized, but are not most monitors either 1024x768 or 1280x800, or some other size with the same proportions? Incorrect. Monitors fall into a vast array of aspect ratio and resolutions. Namely, 16:10 and 4:5. That said, you factor in multi-head displays, SVIDEO/HDTV out, etc., and the rest of situations and you quickly end up in a very complicated situation. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF0J9Uar0EasPEHjQRAgmIAJ9lQ9x22+Fn8ZCv/L9jSb3X+lpivgCbBw+j runXiq1IF6C6FW8yy2Nd+48= =d79s -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Apport icons -- merely some ideas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alex Jones wrote: We could re-use the icon that's used for the Force Quit GNOME Panel applet, the picture of a window with a big crack down it. I think that signifies broken program as well as anything else could. This is heading down the route of bikeshed hell. We really need to quit grasping and simply accept the fact that the language barriers are symptomatic of the word 'universal' being completely a foolish puff of smoke to even _attempt_ to pursue. - From a practical integration element -- it also must _readily_ fit into the the Human scheme. At the very least, it should be based on the Human warning type symbols. (Yet another reason we need DESIGN guidelines for Human.) Nacho de los Ríos Tormo wrote: I would like to argue that the images map to the concept through the polysemy of the word bug in English (insect and defect in a program), and so they won't work well for people that speak other languages. In Spanish, as an example, program bugs are commonly called fallos (faults), so I don't believe that the image of a cockroach writing on a piece of paper will make you think of the phrase bug report and then convey it's meaning, but more likely, to make myself understood, it will make you think of the phrase ant writing and then leave you a bit disconcerted. _Extremely_ well said. Once again, I urge everyone to pay attention to this well spoken piece and consider pushing the powers that be to begin carving architectures that support a more 'layered' based approach to design. It doesn't stop at this however, we could very well include the vast spectrum of different users in this -- power users, motor impaired, etc., all require different graphical renderings and layouts. Could something like UIML help negotiate something in this manner? At the very least, we need to bind icons to locales and offer fallbacks as per the standard icon scheming in GNOME. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFzftLar0EasPEHjQRAp85AJ9diOo51oOrDozOTSfi1rU8cIM/MgCeOTVh pyRWQVdq34ZoK3Na21PoRxw= =UIDq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Apport icons -- merely some ideas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Donn wrote: From a practical integration element -- it also must _readily_ fit into the the Human scheme. At the very least, it should be based on the Human warning type symbols. (Yet another reason we need DESIGN guidelines for Human.) Have you a link for me? I have found the artwork links on the wiki to be pretty confusing. Then again, I've been distracted. Well there aren't any ;). This is largely due to a number of very real issues in the design pattern. There probably won't be from what I can tell. What I can state with utmost clarity is that there is no 'crossover' between the K* X* U* buntu's. This means that the icon 'styles', artwork semantics, etc., are all completely different across the different platforms. Human is relevant only to Ubuntu and it is the brainchild of sabdfl himself -- with no formal design pattern to get there. Factor in the KDE / GNOME / XYZ dynamic, and you have another layer of ugly. Currently, if you wish to develop in the Human style, you will need to use your package manager to leech the Human icon set and dowse into the 'scalable' variety. These are all loadable by Inkscape even though they were developed in Adobe Illustrator from what I can tell. From there, you can pull gradients, examine the linework, etc., and hopefully use your eye to figure out a 'style'. For some icons, there is a good amount of consistency, for others, not quite... ;) It doesn't stop at this however, we could very well include the vast spectrum of different users in this -- power users, motor impaired, etc., all require different graphical renderings and layouts. In terms of these bands of users they are like a locale within a major Locale. At the very least, we need to bind icons to locales and offer fallbacks as per the standard icon scheming in GNOME. I fully agree that icons -- all artwork really -- should be locale-based. I just had a rather long discussion with Matt Zimmerman on this (Canonical and Ubuntu's CTO for those that don't know who he is) and the net answer was not in Ubuntu's scope. In other words, this becomes an 'upstream' issue -- either GNOME or KDE. In that, the issue is complex. What would you say to the idea of a website that allows icons to be rated per locale, per app/purpose? Those with the highest votes over time should be used in preference to any one designer's big idea. Let's assume that we had a structure whereby we had a clearly outlined design pattern (along the lines of http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa511258.aspx or http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/index.html ), I don't know if voting would result in the optimal version of 'expressive and communicative' design. It would very likely be a combination of preference with design vision. It _would_ be democratic, but we can all imagine what a fully 'democratic' elephant might look like ;). Of course, totalitarianism and dictatorship doesn't work either. SOMEWHERE in between that polemical dichotomy is what is required. Unfortunately, this opens up the bikeshed... The best course of action right now appears to be: 1) Learn how the rest of Ubuntu works - the core technology pushers. In particular Bzr/LP/Malone. 2) Learn who those folks are who can help / offer opinions / etc. Not all ideas are as simple as they might appear to someone on the outside. 3) In conjunction with 1 and 2, _demonstrate_ to the best of your knowledge and ability, how something could work. Python is your friend. 4) Do all the boring and very 'un-artistic' things like continuing to form documents and explanations for the new folks. It is boring, but if everyone requires a personal IRC message or a mail to the list to get up to speed, it only slows progress. I would encourage everyone to lend in and try to streamline the wiki area as much as possible. For the time being, this is the best course of action. Credibility is hard to come by. We will need it if we are to achieve _any_ degree of control. There are many other political factors, but ultimately _credibility_ is our most important facet. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFzhL2ar0EasPEHjQRAjhYAJ9AiKYuonu5IYxsf+xp91G9cFBpRwCg0ZOO DFciLTScj3zXyz/rxcyytj8= =3f5u -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Apport icons -- merely some ideas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jean Pierre Rupp wrote: In short, we should make the artwork based on the concepts, and not the words. In short, concepts are culturally based. The idea of locale-based icons is great, but of course it would be a huge task to undertake for only a few icons that can be easily with universally understandable conceptual ones. It would be no different than having 'fallbacks' to the other icon collections -- as it currently exists in the index.theme for icons. For the large part, one could expect that the bulk of the icons might work, but where a more appropriate cultural trigger is seen, use it. The problem with targetting the 'general' is that you fail to embrace metaphors and memes that work in a far more 'culture centric' fashion. As an example, compare the white walking crosswalk symbol in North America to the other options in the Middle East etc. Stop signs, traffic signals, etc. All are culture specific. All of this is obviously 'available' to anyone who chooses to run a Free Desktop, but perhaps a distribution that states that software tools should be usable by people in their local language might want to consider extending this 'language' to embody visual language as well. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFzlK9ar0EasPEHjQRAv6CAJ0TOaN0nV+V1GDKdssDeCW+gGdOewCfQ3/p 57erWLrLVv5eL5+4giZbYiE= =vXqd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Incoming Feisty art
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Étienne Bersac wrote: Also, who made this artwork ? Is ubuntu-art only a place to comment new artwork ;) ? It feel like we forgot to plan community themes :| kwwii -- Ken, created the new art. You should know by now Et, don't expect planning. ;) Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFzlOTar0EasPEHjQRAjCOAJ9JPneQBOD6Y8MFzMRLJNIXTTp7FQCeNYVr fAV2o6O8EA+TtHz57U9R8po= =XOO1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Apport icons needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Donn wrote: I just did this to get the idea out of my head. It doesn't scale well, but what the hell. Wow. Yet more proof that our little artwork community is filled with some damn talented folks. Do you have formal training? It would probably be perfect for an application identity icon. For Human icon integration, we need to follow the rather 'breadcrumb-like' trail of style that we can piece together from the existing set. Once again, _wonderful_ work. It is absolutely an asset to have you on the team. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFy1yVar0EasPEHjQRAt32AKDQsThwBKcRqTS3jVW7KnQqq5QO7gCgvCDs +AlkMlpiryNVCNsbTV6Vvfg= =mHKx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Apport icons needed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Do we have any metaphors that seem appropriate? Kenneth Wimer wrote: There is an open request for Apport icons. Apport needs icons for various purposes: - panel tray if a crash happened while the user wasn't logged in, or a system process crash * Firecracker? * Car accident? * Broken Egg? - 'Report a bug...' menu entries (both in the Panel and in applications) * Envelope in flight with bug on it? - icon in the Apport UI dialogs What would this be of? Is it representational of the application itself? Right now it uses a bomb with questionable copyright for the system tray, bug-buddy's icon for the dialog frames, and the default Gnome 'dialog alert' triangle for the menus. But it would be uber-cool to get a designated nice and descriptive icon for everything. It should convey the meanings 'bug, problem, crash', but needs to scale well down to 16x16 (dialog headers and panel tray). If I am understanding you here, you want a singular icon to represent everything here? If so, perhaps we should consider: * A simple image of a bug. * An alert based 'comic' blurb (Spiked 'explosive' metaphor) Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFw1VYar0EasPEHjQRAqzWAKDf/dQAjLmAeTdn6zOtZpBatkSlPACgno+8 PtWy/52oOpnQ07fNEEP7x08= =p40/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Stock rotate icons for eog and gimp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Emir Beganovi? wrote: P.S. icons which I've made are 48x48 but files has suffix 16 (means 16 pixels). eog and GIMP show the icons OK, but shouldn't those icons be scaled to 16x16? Great work Emir. I think I see a few issues: 1. If this is an issue with Ubuntu -- it should be raised and registered as a bug with Malone. This way we can file branch fixes against etc., and the proper people will be notified. 2. The icons in question should be in SVG format. 3. The Ubuntu hazy gloss needs to be customized for each icon. If you load it in Inkscape, you should be easily able to accomplish that. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFr33Oar0EasPEHjQRAuQnAKDoq6i/BxFr9+to14R3O295MvDAlQCeN7wZ x04QNz3IYnep2l6sBP//djQ= =k0zN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] [Fwd: Re: Stock rotate icons for eog and gimp]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'll make SVG and file a bug with Malone. How do you mean this by 'hazy gloss needs to be customized for each icon? Is there any SVG available so I can just rotate it by 90, 180 and 270 degrees? Yes there are in /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable By hazy gloss, notice how your icon looks rotated based on the glossing. The gloss used in Human should always fall from _above_ proceeding downwards. Your icons should all share this facet. This will require you to do a two step process: 1) Ungroup the SVG elements and rotate the lower layers of the arrow. 2) Use a rectangle and apply the exact same gloss parameters using one of the gradients present in the scalables. They are all created in Illustrator unfortunately, but you should be able to find the proper grad. Apply it to a rectangle as an overlay, adjust a curve within it, and perform an intersection cut or similar task to isolate the gloss. It is deadly simple to do, so get the Inkscape up. ;) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFsCK4ar0EasPEHjQRAignAKC/x219dMH6zBwwxnHQRyIfy9grNACg04J1 sGn7jYm9+zBGkLgqtZ6GK+0= =ZEb+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] On bugs...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings to everyone on the list... Over the past while you might have noticed a little bit of activity on the 'bugs' assigned to the 'ubuntu-art' project team. The bugs provided there are the byproduct of a massive amount of work and energy on the part of Daniel Holbach. It is through his effort that our team gets notified. It is one more small step to gaining credibility within the development of Ubuntu. To this end, it is a very real and possible venture for the team members to fix the bugs. If you have _any_ solutions to the bugs on the list, please offer them. * Avoid the semantically nightmarish bugs. By this I mean the bugs that are probably out of our domain such as things that sabdfl rules upon. * Provide extensive solutions via attachments to bugs that are of a technical / artwork nature. This means source files for artwork (SVG, PNG, etc.) or XML sample attachments that resolve the issues. Remember -- the bugs automatically get tripped to our team, so there is no need to email the team when you have contributed. We can all see it, and assuming our email is set up properly with filters, they will all go to a nice little tidy folder. On this note, and on further along the path of experience, I have drafted the very beginnings of a Bazaar tutorial document for the folks out there who are not adept computer coders: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr It is obviously incomplete, but please let me know if you are unable to follow the instructions thus far -- they are intended to be simple to an average member of our team. I will extend it as I get time and my personal knowledge level increases. There is enough functional information there currently to at least pull a package and look at the problems inside. What is all this for? Ultimately to push Ubuntu along the road to more solid ground, we will need to master the tools that the rest of the Ubuntu developers utilize. Learning Bazaar will permit us to 'push' our fixes and thereby cut the tasks down for other people to let them focus on more important issues that are particular to their domain. On with the bug squishing... TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFq+1jar0EasPEHjQRAhk1AJ95iBCGgOEfl1SjcXnRJjGPwsepegCfVc2u xpEUwG3c/EhpsEfiZFAtyu4= =1Qaf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] bringing good things to life
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Nuzum wrote: How about some people +1 this if they like the idea, ensuring to note if they feel competent enough to contribute a monthly background. We'd also need a person willing to be the scape goat and be the first aic... +1 brilliant idea really. So simple it is almost a no brainer. Let's see how the rest of the folks feel. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFnH8Tar0EasPEHjQRAm/vAJ0dCGfrLSHz+KhrkH6v0kMImhFvSgCg13N9 XVluTPR7zoNAP88S60jUWF0= =wdfl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Temporary Feisty Artwork Idea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Schoep wrote: On top of this, and this is just a wild guess like anyone else's, I think the big idea is to have Feisty's final artwork integrated from the start on. I'm talking about at least the wallpaper and possibly the GDM theme, login splash and usplash. Again, this is just a guess as the real plan seems to be forever out of reach of reality. Let's face it -- until Ubuntu's design is treated with the full dedication that is required, this is a rather hopeless plot. Feisty's 'plan' thus far has not addressed this inherent weakness. Even if Feisty ends up with new 'acceptable' bits, the design implementation strategy has grown no further. Ubuntu design should strive for more than meeting the bare minimum of acceptability within current operating system trends. Forever following someone else's lead will _always_ result in no better than second place. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFeCJtar0EasPEHjQRAiqFAJ9QHPh+pMkkHr1+kvmaVNq0S5dcugCgjGDn UeaUgRm+a4xIFC8zzYqoi5k= =8OpY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:05 +0100, Mirco Müller wrote: Ok. I've learned that Mark has the final word on what goes in and what does not visual appeal-wise. The spec shows screenshots against a black background. I hope Mark is coordinating that design of the default GDM with the default look for Feisty. There has _always_ existed a design gap between the developers and the design, but perhaps pushing the issue this early could be one baby step towards remedying this problem. Hopefully the 'design' of the system will go a little further in discourse than having the decision based on a few screenshots. The entire orchestration with the rest of Ubuntu's design should be considered -- especially at the point where we have a good deal of latitude. Great work Mirco -- can't wait to see the end product! Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 22:15 +0100, Mirco Müller wrote: I tried to keep the visual gap between usplash and gdm (for the case of the face-browser, which is planned to be on by default for feisty) as small as possible. But if there are any non-obvious things in the pipe for feisty in the domain of artwork or general themes/colors, please let me know. Unfortunately, the art team has no control over the default look for Feisty. To get it in alignment with the rest of the 'look', whatever it ends up being, this discussing should be taking place between Mark, Cliff, and yourself. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Branching Feisty Artwork
On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 19:09 +0100, Daniel Holbach wrote: Apart from that, I'd like to drop the individual themes from ubuntu-artwork. gray-theme, industrialtango-theme, legacyhuman-theme, outdoors-theme, resilience-theme, silicon-theme have been part of Ubuntu's default for 2 releases now and I think with feisty we should add something fresh. This is not my call, but I'd like to discuss it here. I believe we discussed this in Paris -- the problem you raised was a technological migration issue. Is this still an issue? I am 100% for dumping the legacy themes. In fact, default artwork should probably only consist of the single elements for the default looks. Everything else should be repository based. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] [WIKI] Update to documentation
* Moved the package related documents that recently landed on the wiki to the /Documentation section. * Updated documentation root page to reflect changes and more clearly explain what the package subpages are for. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Who's Logo Work
On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 16:29 +0100, Who wrote: These fix those issues in a few ways As I have always said -- your work is pretty incredible Who. Although I fundamentally disagree with the design decision to put the dual curve into the logo, your work is the most standout by far. In particular, Saturated_Full_Logo_018.png is probably the most refined. It offers the most elegant chroming treatment. A note on the glossing / chroming: * Traditional airbrush techniques generally will lean towards a sharper falloff / gradient. As you can see with 18, the sharper falloff yield the most convincing results. Two pennies worth of trial might be to increase the bottommost sheen where the black transitions into white and amplify the gradient. Again, sharp falloff, but slightly more extreme towards the deep black. Great work! TJS PS: I honestly believe that our most logical path for the curving is to modify the curve on the text logo as it is nearly impossible to reconcile the curve - flat - curve option. One possible variation on this might be to wisp the entry to the 'U' and the exit on the rightmost 'U' to minimize the effect. More of a similarity to water surface tension adhesion to glass on the perimeter. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Logout sound
On Mon, 2006-09-10 at 17:58 +0200, Frank Schoep wrote: We created this short sound to prevent it from being cut off. On fast systems, only the first few seconds of the sound are played. See this bug on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/bugs/61530 Doesn't that make the rather massive assumption that a logout sound is purely to 'disguise' the computer shutting down? Form following function. But what is the function ultimately? Is it purely 'disguise' or potentially aesthetic as well? Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] [WIKI] Updated sources
New sources for anyone who needs a starting point. If we expect a wallpaper, we need to decide on the tones for the GDM. Sincerely, TJS https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Polish/Incoming/LastMinuteRush signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Foolish villager...
And the foolish villager forgot the great tenant -- let the people have the source of the work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/LetTheGodsBeHappy signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] cancel / apply icons
On Tue, 2006-26-09 at 15:36 +0200, David Prieto wrote: You can see how the proposed cancel icon is a red cross just like the current one, only beautiful. And the apply button is a green tick just like the one we have one, so the metaphors really stay the same. My only concern with the two icons listed is that the curvature does not match the high visibility icons present in the Human icon set. In addition to this, there is visual discontinuity created even within the two of the elements -- both glossings are different. Visual discontinuity is something that as a whole we have been attempting to address. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Knot 3 Wallpaper - comment
On Tue, 2006-26-09 at 11:38 +0200, Julian Oliver wrote: ..on Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 01:13:29PM +0200, Andreas Haller wrote: Hi, i just saw the new Wallpaper for Edgy Knot3 (http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/knot3) and wanted to tell you that the cross on the left side reminded me of the windows logo. i agree. i didn't see it at first, but my wife did, and pointed it out. now it's there i can't shake it ;) I think there is possibly some validity in this. It was purely an attempt to address some of the monochromatic issues with the palette. In doing so, the expanded palette is slightly more forgiving to the colour palette issues in the rest of the distribution. That said, it also attempted to avoid being too much of a motif and create more issues. Ultimately, what Ubuntu requires are a good set of motifs to utilize in all of the design work. The colour ripple _is not_ optimal by any stretch of the imagination, but should be considered a baby step in design issues. I firmly believe that we can attain this level of professional design with further dedication. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] From the Fedora User to the Ubuntu Art Team: Here's your big competition...
On Wed, 2006-13-09 at 21:33 +0100, Toby Smithe wrote: I just don't like the glossy unity in SuSE and Fedora Core. A tad 90's would be a good way to describe it. Vista is well on its way to releasing itself right into that has-been pile. Both Apple and Microsoft have built their market around the belief that the computer is a gadget, a sheik item, a commodity, a luxury item, etc. It seems to me that while both could be given accolades regarding their approach for any given design point, it is over. The computer is far more than a trivial item these days. It runs government. It allows people to communicate with family across the world. It is science, education, philosophy, music, and a plethora of other things far more 'human' than any piece of technology out there. The plastic bubblewrapped era of operating systems is over. and having everything with the same theme is a bit boring and shows a lack of inspiration to me. I think this is a delicate line to walk. Indeed, when someone simply mimics the same image repeatedly, it grows rather tedious. That said, if a design is built around solid principles and motifs, generally those elements can be 'rephrased' a number of ways with particular attention to the item they are currently representing. Unfortunately, we have a long way to go in this respect regarding our system, but I believe that we can evolve in that direction in the future. Sincerely, TJS PS: Regarding the topic -- the www.distrowatch.org popularity chart would seem to indicate that indeed it is Fedora that has some rather 'big' competition. ;) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Edgy's current art looks like fecal matter :O
On Tue, 2006-12-09 at 17:03 +1000, Jasper Schalken wrote: I know I'm being blunt, but it's true. It's dark brown, it's lumpy, and it has red and green streaks running through it. Not a pleasant combination :P. Yikes. There is another version without the dappling here: wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/CurrentDefault PS: If you have blue and red in there, I would go get that checked out. It generally isn't a good sign. JMak did an excellent job of this in his login screens. He kept the same brown or tan hue throughout and the background was a plain matte circular gradient like Dapper's login. I agree 100%. I think Jmak's top logon is probably the best design I have seen in a long long while. That said, the GDM is unlikely to change if you do a little research into the issue. With a few minor tweaks to unify it with the existing Ubuntu fixed palette items, I believed that it could have been a wonderful GDM. Junel Mujar also made some excellent backgrounds using very muted tones here. Gnome-look has many too. Thanks for your awareness and insight. The best way to achieve results is to keep the participation level high. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] [REQUEST] The final push -- help needed.
Ok folks -- we are almost there! First I would like to thank everyone on this list -- it has been a tremendous ride. Plenty of learning for everyone I am certain! Now onto the nitty gritty. Currently, because of our slight blip in development while approval was sought, our Produce phase sort of hit a momentum loss -- which is horribly unfortunate. We have a small, very diligent, and very talented group here. It is my firm belief that we could at least deliver something that sabdfl and Canonical will find acceptable by the end product. The direction Frank chose wasn't exactly wide open as, again, for one reason or another, our output hit a bit of a stumbling block and only portions were delivered. That said, I have uploaded all of the source files for the work that Frank has selected. You can locate them here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/CurrentDefault By 'CurrentDefault' this means nothing more than what has been pushed up to bzr -- subject ultimately to our leader's approval. At this point, things need some serious work according to direct feedback. If you would like a little public feedback on the visual and audio elements, you can locate a small thread here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=252784highlight=art From planet.ubuntu.com I managed to find this bit of feedback from the blog of Ante Karamatić: http://ivoks.blogspot.com/ Ultimately, we must appeal to Mr. Shuttleworth in order to have any product of our work make it into Edgy. To this end, I request your aid in meeting his (thankfully) quite clear evaluations of the various elements. I have attached what I can pertaining directly to Mr. Shuttleworth's comments and direction to the bottom of this email. Please follow them as best as you can to deliver _exactly_ what he requires. As a result of life and my current work project, we have bumped up to six and seven day work weeks. When coupled with a regular work day that is generally a minimum of twelve hours, it all amounts to my inability to truly give the final push needed to finish this process. To this end, I request that anyone who can please step up and help out. My only personal notes would be: * Remember that you are designing against a sound scheme and a plethora of other subtle elements. * Remember that ultimately sabdfl is the shot caller. Without him, Ubuntu doesn't exist and neither does our contributions. He will call the final shots, and he is the client in the end. If anyone has any specific requests, don't hesitate to email me personally. -=-=-=-=-=- Work thus far is a combination of the nifty elements that jmak, who_, and a good number of other folks provided during the earlier stages. For one reason or another, Frank went with this one. I am pretty sure he will voice his reasoning. I know that his decision was coupled with some commentary from sabdfl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/CurrentDefault Msikma and myself have been trying to get an animated usplash into shape, based on what Frank, myself, and a few others have discussed previously. I think it has really evolved and feels like another part of the look. If you don't believe me, have a peek at the link below. The animated gif is here: http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/usplash_rlsl_6.gif and msikma was kind enough to provide some source PNG's that I will post to the above CurrentDefault wiki page when I finish writing this. -=-=-=-=- Design direction from the Big Guy (These are all reprinted with his permission granted in the emails. I felt that they should be available to guide the final design direction. Frank might be able to lend some further developmental thoughts. I didn't get exclusive permission from the second individual, so I have omitted their name. I will provide more that seem relevant that I can find.) -=-=-=-=- First, the adjustments were applied with the following goals in mind: 1) Bring the GDM into a palette that is closer to the oranges and such contained in the icons. Build around the classic Ubuntu Brown. -sabdfl-: The GDM palette is very deliberately much lighter than the desktop. It's designed to be inviting, bright, sunny, clean. We don't want it dark at all. Please revert. 2) Bring a slightly less mechanical feel to the sunshine. This is a direct byproduct of the circular gradient present in the original. With no variations, the net result is very rigid and tight, as opposed to flowing and organic. -sabdfl-: It's also clean and simple as a result. Contrast it with the login screens of most other Linux distros, and you will see that ours is by far the simplest, least detailed, least cluttered design. That's deliberate. That's also why we don't have boxes layered on boxes - each of those introduces complexity and reduces the welcoming feel. 3) Bring the overall look into line with
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu panel background proposal
On Sun, 2006-10-09 at 09:04 +0200, PingunZ wrote: That's most people agree that we just need a background image, no tansparancy. Still, we are left with certain buttons and such not abiding by the background texture / colour. This is fundamentally more problematic than the actual change -- never mind the countless bug reports once it happens based on aesthetic decisions. Try it with your panel -- adjust the background to a simple texture or colour and you should see elements that fail to adjust. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu panel background proposal
On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 10:43 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: I far prefer the semi-transparent panel idea that someone posted a little while ago. I think the Panel should have a very distinctive look, and not be Grey at all! That goes for the Panel menu items as well as the Panel itself. Translucent is lovely. My only concern while twiddling with it here at home is that it is difficult to get _all_ of the interface elements to abide by the rules. It is a very simple tweak, and I think we can get it in for Edgy assuming our workhorse Frank manages to push it to bzr. Right now however, there is _one_ amateur looking element -- certain buttons on the panel need to have the default translucency adjusted to bring them more in line with the rest of the panel. I have attached a small JPG to illustrate the problem. Does anyone know how to adjust this value and in what resource file it is? Dennis? ;) Sincerely, TJS attachment: example.jpg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu panel background proposal
On Fri, 2006-08-09 at 15:50 +0200, Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote: I was looking to my ubuntu panel on Dapper and I think that the gray plain background doesn't have the same style that the human theme. I think we are all with you in agreement. Once the palette is settled down and published, I think Frank intends to slightly tweak the GTK / Metacity etc to bring more elements into alignment. I don't think he will go so far as to be using an image, but possibly a tonal alignment. It simply wasn't an option until all the final issues were resolved. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Usplash for edgy is finished
On Thu, 2006-07-09 at 12:13 +0200, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote: Thanks for the progress update, I hope we're able to properly work around feature freeze limitations on the artwork for usplash. Given that there is no artwork at all yet for usplash and noone wants to see the testcard in the final version, I think this will be possible. Realistically, we need to wait until all the final decisions are made on the artwork direction to make the look flow cohesively. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] msikma's Usplash
On Thu, 2006-07-09 at 14:37 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote: I would like that too, but a background might not work well for the same reasons it couldn't be anything other than black in the old usplash. Op 7-sep-2006, om 14:33 heeft Álvaro Medina Ballester het volgende geschreven: background brown would be better (a clear shade like simple-human ubuntu wallpaper) Great work on the spotlight tweaking! It _really_ has come a long way. For the consistency with the rest of the distribution, and a hope that sabdfl would pass it, could you try polishing it in the following directions. Again, these are optional, but I would love to see the cycling spotlight make it into Edgy. 1) Matching the logo curve style with the style that Frank offered up. It ultimately would need to match the final decisions based on sabdfl's / Frank's direction. The current curvature does not match any motif / element in the distribution. 2) Try a brown background. There are zero things in the entire distribution that are black, with the sole exception being the text logo. It would be wise to keep the black contrast of the logo as the singular black focus point now that we have the black restriction removed from the Edgy Usplash. I believe Dennis could clarify this ultimately -- once he gets some sleep. I think we could manage to convince sab to pass it assuming we can coerce it into the mainline look. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal : Ubuntu-Art forum.
On Mon, 2006-04-09 at 18:10 +0200, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote: On ma, 2006-09-04 at 17:21 +0200, PingunZ wrote: Maybe it would be better if the forum just replaced the wiki+ML, not launchpad ? Please no, a wiki isn't a discussion medium -- which is a good thing for artwork. Agree with Dennis here. Also remember that the Wiki is a mandatory requirement to integrate with Launchpad and Bazaar. Form should follow function. As of now, our functioning does not require expansion of the base set of tools. If we hit critical mass regarding output, expansion will become far more viable. Looking to the future however, as the mailing list archives will show, a CMS is a possibility to streamline the uploading and organization of the team. To this end, imbrandon has been working on getting an area up based on Drupal. I cannot stress this enough -- we _must_ work within the existing structure set forth by the Ubuntu establishment if we are to be at _all_ effective. These factors were considered early on and largely guided the process we have today. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] [WIKI] Update to GetInvolved
On Mon, 2006-04-09 at 22:24 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: Do people know that the mailing list has a web-interface too? http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.artwork (It also has Usenet and RSS interfaces there.) Thanks to the great tips that Jan has offered here over the past few posts, I updated the wiki page for GetInvolved. Hopefully it will make it that much more easy to keep track of the artwork related developments. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/GetInvolved Thanks again Jan! On a side note, if anyone out there is interested in contributing to the wiki, please feel free to update it where appropriate. If you feel the need for a new page or set of pages, please locate them under Artwork/Incoming and notify the list. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] [REQUEST] Produce DEADLINE
Please note the schedule archived here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/ This has been the schedule since the beginning of the cycle, and we must stick to it as the rest of the development team is in sync with those dates. September 7th is the final deadline for all artwork. It must be included at that date to provide for bug testing and such. Luckily, our limited number of specifications means that the quantity of bugs will be rather small -- other than the usual 'i hate it' bug. ;) I cannot stress enough that in order for this team to be taken seriously and credibly by Canonical, we _must_ step up and meet this deadline. If you would like to see _more_ accomplished next cycle, that will require us proving to Canonical that we can accomplish our tasks set out -- which were very manageable. Also bear in mind that ultimately, Ubuntu is quite different from the other distributions. We have a clear set of restrictions to operate within, and _all_ artwork changes must meet the sabdfl Test. Please look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/ for the current crop of work. Much of the work there needs rounding out for completion and working GDM XML. It is a great opportunity to step in and match the style to round out a set if you have any time. Thank you all immensely, and once again, let's try to deliver on what we managed to get approved at the beginning. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] msikma's Progress Indicator
On Wed, 2006-30-08 at 10:17 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote: Mich -- do you think you could bang out a similar animation with a 'spotlight' approach? Basically, it would be almost identical to what you have there save a more focused circular light illuminating the Ubuntu logo as it rolls around the primary logo surface. Do you mean that instead of using a radial light, we use, say, a raytraced light hovering over the Ubuntu logo? Or a little bit lighter radial light that perhaps isn't as sharp, as Who is suggesting? I think that a raytraced light might not work very well on small sizes. Imagine a simple circle. Now over top of this simple circle, you have a smaller circle that 'orbits' along its perimeter. This smaller circle is a gradient from transparent on the outside to opaque at its centre. When this 'circle' orbits around the logo, it would reveal the logo underneath, as a focused flashlight might offer. From this you get two easy variations -- one which is almost exactly the same as your current version, except with a 'circular' radar line. For the second, you could try keeping the entire logo darkened while revealing it as the circle rotates around it, gradually letting the circle's trail fade back to the darker logo. I'd give you a sketch, but I am in a complete rush this morning, so I apologize. I imagine you can figure it out from here though. And who knows, sometimes accidents are the best creative spark. PS: sorry for inactivity in the channel. I promised you some work on the GTK, but I've unfortunately been terribly busy and today I have another meeting until late. But still, I haven't given up work. :) Great -- looking forwards to it! Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] [REQUEST] Widescreen / Scaling GDM issues
On Tue, 2006-29-08 at 13:24 +0100, Who wrote: I think using a background that is okay for scaling - say something abstract, and then putting the logo etc as boxes on top should help - no? Yes. I can live with scaling of the background. The boxes technique seems to be the key, but it needs some explaining. I know Pyrotica has some pretty in-depth GDM theming knowledge, so I was hoping that someone with that sort of knowledge might be able to offer some specifics. On that note, I might add that Pyrotica has been assembling a terrific document on GDM theming. Not only is this a terrific bit of work, but it also illustrates exactly how _anyone_ can contribute to the Artwork team and be extremely useful -- regardless of your speciality. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GdmThemeing Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] [WIKI] Updated incoming
If you browse to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/ you can see the fresh work coming in. Thank you to everyone who is posting their effort. I am very impressed with that page thus far. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] [LAUNCHPAD] Subscription list
There appears to be some flipping in the Launchpad specification records. In order for all of the artwork related specifications to show up in our http://www.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs listing, ubuntu-art must be added as a subscriber to the specification in question. Some of our specifications have dropped off the list -- which could be a result of Launchpad's upgrading recently. Compare the above list against Frank's subscribed list: https://features.launchpad.net/people/frank-ffnn/+specs If we could manage to resolve this issue, it would be helpful, as having all artwork related specifications under the /ubuntu-art/+specs namespace is critical to centralization. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
