Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
--- On Fri, 18/6/10, Dave Hall dave.h...@skwashd.com wrote: From: Dave Hall dave.h...@skwashd.com Subject: Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe To: Tom Sparks tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Received: Friday, 18 June, 2010, 1:45 PM Hi Tom, On Thu, 2010-06-17 at 18:47 -0700, Tom Sparks wrote: I am the only one who is want a ubnutu system at the internet cafe, and the only way is to demo it in the wild, but I don't want to keep repeating the same steps (download this, download that) so what about a custom liveCD (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization ) ? or should I just look at persistent image? I run an ubuntu powered internet cafe for a small town in country Victoria. They are currently running Hardy on 3 P4s. snip I am only there two day a week, and currently I have no support to setup a ubuntu computer from management, currently we have 5 computer running win XP or 2003, I am hoping to get one of them running ubuntu, but I want to prove the idea to management. tom -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
On 15/06/10 15:33, Tom Sparks wrote: --- On Tue, 15/6/10, Paul Schulzp...@mawsonlakes.org wrote: From: Paul Schulzp...@mawsonlakes.org Subject: Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Received: Tuesday, 15 June, 2010, 10:21 AM You can install Ubuntu on a USB stick and boot from that. - unetbootin - General tool for putting an ISO image onto a USB stick - usb-createor-gkk (or -kde) - Ubuntu specific tool. so.. if you have an iso (CD or DVD) that does what you want, you can get to boot from from a USB stick (and possibly also a hard drive). This might help but tit isn't the whole solution. On the other hand, you could sell the Ubuntu-on-a-stick (4GB is apparently sufficient) and then they can take it away with them. Cheers, Paul snip I know about the Ubutu-on-a-* but I need to download a new ISO for ever update tom Why? BC -- Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. James Madison -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
Hey Tom, If I was going to run an internet cafe (I'm assuming 15-20 users at once here) and wanted to restrict what my users could do with the PCs then I would consider running a server and thin clients out to each of the desktops. The term is virtualization, or more specifically for your needs: desktop virtualization. Just to be even handed about this it's my understanding that RedHat does this sort of think particularly well although Ubuntu Server is certainly capable. Here is a Redhat video about desktop virtualization: http://www.redhat.com/virtualization/rhev/desktop/ Wikipedia article for LTSP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Terminal_Server_Project Neat video on how to install and setup LTSP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yD0QV_Cm2wfeature=related The benefits of virtualization are: - Lower cost of deployment on large scales - Less power use - More secure - Users can't 'ruin' the operating system - Each user can get their own virtual operating system, this can be saved in it's existing state for repeat customers, or wiped clean and reloaded from scratch Since you don't need a hard drive all you really need from the thin client you can pick them up pretty darn cheap. For example: with a 1gb stick of ram this would probably do quite nicely: http://www.zotacusa.com/zotac-zbox-zboxsd-id10-u-intel-atom-nm-10-express-1-66-ghz-dual-core-all-in-one-mini-pc.html Still, scale is very important to making this worth while and I'm not sure how large your internet cafe is. On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Tom Sparks tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.auwrote: I am wondering if there is a version of ubuntu for an internet cafe? Is there a installable read-only (liveCD like) version of ubuntu? tom_a_sparks Light travels faster then sound, which is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
--- On Tue, 15/6/10, David Fawcett omniw...@gmail.com wrote: From: David Fawcett omniw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe To: Tom Sparks tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Received: Tuesday, 15 June, 2010, 6:34 PM Hey Tom, If I was going to run an internet cafe (I'm assuming 15-20 users at once here) and wanted to restrict what my users could do with the PCs then I would consider running a server and thin clients out to each of the desktops. diskless version could do the same and can play videos locally We only have 6 computers that the public can use running windows XP/2003 I am getting the feeling that they want to upgrade them to vista :( I would like to install one with ubuntu (but I cant see that happening) tom sparks -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Tom Sparks tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.auwrote: --- On *Tue, 15/6/10, David Fawcett omniw...@gmail.com* wrote: From: David Fawcett omniw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe To: Tom Sparks tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Received: Tuesday, 15 June, 2010, 6:34 PM Hey Tom, If I was going to run an internet cafe (I'm assuming 15-20 users at once here) and wanted to restrict what my users could do with the PCs then I would consider running a server and thin clients out to each of the desktops. diskless version could do the same and can play videos locally We only have 6 computers that the public can use running windows XP/2003 I am getting the feeling that they want to upgrade them to vista :( I would like to install one with ubuntu (but I cant see that happening) tom sparks No worries Tom, I just thought I'd throw the idea out there. ;) Do you mind if I ask what exactly your clients requirements are? What do they want to achieve in the end? -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
On 15/06/10 19:26, David Fawcett wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Tom Sparks tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au mailto:tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au wrote: --- On *Tue, 15/6/10, David Fawcett /omniw...@gmail.com mailto:omniw...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: David Fawcett omniw...@gmail.com mailto:omniw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe To: Tom Sparks tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au mailto:tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Received: Tuesday, 15 June, 2010, 6:34 PM Hey Tom, If I was going to run an internet cafe (I'm assuming 15-20 users at once here) and wanted to restrict what my users could do with the PCs then I would consider running a server and thin clients out to each of the desktops. diskless version could do the same and can play videos locally We only have 6 computers that the public can use running windows XP/2003 I am getting the feeling that they want to upgrade them to vista :( I would like to install one with ubuntu (but I cant see that happening) tom sparks No worries Tom, I just thought I'd throw the idea out there. ;) Do you mind if I ask what exactly your clients requirements are? What do they want to achieve in the end? Now it has taken 2 days and 6 posts to get to this stage - and the answers are still to come. Wouldn't it be so very nice if people would give all the details about their problem right from the start and save a lot of time?. :-) (I guess I am making this point because I had a dental appointment today and getting information reminded me of just like pulling teeth :-D .) BC -- Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. James Madison -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
On 14/06/10 15:07, Mitch Towner wrote: ... currently we use a program called Deep Freeze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Freeze_%28software%29 ) on our windows computers the close likeness I seen is the ubuntu LiveCD Is there a ubuntu like program? tom PS: sorry for relying to you off-list Don't worry about it :-) . Your question is way beyond my level of knowledge. Somebody else would more than likely have the answer for you. But have a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1051420 and here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=172374 but then do a google search on deep freeze + ubuntu. Deep Freeze is available for Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, so it's likely that it could be hacked (possibly only with Faronics' involvement) to work with Ubuntu: http://www.faronics.com/en/Products/DeepFreeze/DeepFreezeLinux.aspx Paul attachment: paul.vcf-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
On 14/06/10 16:20, Paul Gear wrote: On 14/06/10 15:07, Mitch Towner wrote: ... currently we use a program called Deep Freeze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Freeze_%28software%29 ) on our windows computers the close likeness I seen is the ubuntu LiveCD Is there a ubuntu like program? tom PS: sorry for relying to you off-list Don't worry about it :-) . Your question is way beyond my level of knowledge. Somebody else would more than likely have the answer for you. But have a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1051420 and here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=172374 but then do a google search on deep freeze + ubuntu. Deep Freeze is available for Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, so it's likely that it could be hacked (possibly only with Faronics' involvement) to work with Ubuntu: http://www.faronics.com/en/Products/DeepFreeze/DeepFreezeLinux.aspx Paul In the second reference I gave Tom there is actually a statement that Faronics is soliciting info from Linux users re Deep Freeze; so it seems that getting in touch with Faronics would be an excellent idea. BC -- Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. James Madison -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
On 14/06/10 16:31, Basil Chupin wrote: ... Deep Freeze is available for Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, so it's likely that it could be hacked (possibly only with Faronics' involvement) to work with Ubuntu: http://www.faronics.com/en/Products/DeepFreeze/DeepFreezeLinux.aspx Paul In the second reference I gave Tom there is actually a statement that Faronics is soliciting info from Linux users re Deep Freeze; so it seems that getting in touch with Faronics would be an excellent idea. The part of the second reference that talks about that is over 3 years old. Since then, Faronics have actually released their Linux version (for Novell SLED). attachment: paul.vcf-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
On 14/06/10 16:34, Paul Gear wrote: On 14/06/10 16:31, Basil Chupin wrote: ... Deep Freeze is available for Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, so it's likely that it could be hacked (possibly only with Faronics' involvement) to work with Ubuntu: http://www.faronics.com/en/Products/DeepFreeze/DeepFreezeLinux.aspx Paul In the second reference I gave Tom there is actually a statement that Faronics is soliciting info from Linux users re Deep Freeze; so it seems that getting in touch with Faronics would be an excellent idea. The part of the second reference that talks about that is over 3 years old. Since then, Faronics have actually released their Linux version (for Novell SLED). Ah, OK3 years old :-) . But I hardly think that SLED is something which normal users would install where Deep Freeze would be needed. Novell claims that, in the corporate world, they are second to Red Hat in popularity, but Ubuntu outshines anyone of these (ie, or their derivatives) combined when it comes to the great unwashed, let them eat cake, punters. BTW, this is not intended to be a your thingie is smaller than my thingie thingie :-) . BC -- Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. James Madison -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
You can install Ubuntu on a USB stick and boot from that. - unetbootin - General tool for putting an ISO image onto a USB stick - usb-createor-gkk (or -kde) - Ubuntu specific tool. so.. if you have an iso (CD or DVD) that does what you want, you can get to boot from from a USB stick (and possibly also a hard drive). This might help but tit isn't the whole solution. On the other hand, you could sell the Ubuntu-on-a-stick (4GB is apparently sufficient) and then they can take it away with them. Cheers, Paul On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 14/06/10 16:34, Paul Gear wrote: On 14/06/10 16:31, Basil Chupin wrote: ... Deep Freeze is available for Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, so it's likely that it could be hacked (possibly only with Faronics' involvement) to work with Ubuntu: http://www.faronics.com/en/Products/DeepFreeze/DeepFreezeLinux.aspx Paul In the second reference I gave Tom there is actually a statement that Faronics is soliciting info from Linux users re Deep Freeze; so it seems that getting in touch with Faronics would be an excellent idea. The part of the second reference that talks about that is over 3 years old. Since then, Faronics have actually released their Linux version (for Novell SLED). Ah, OK3 years old :-) . But I hardly think that SLED is something which normal users would install where Deep Freeze would be needed. Novell claims that, in the corporate world, they are second to Red Hat in popularity, but Ubuntu outshines anyone of these (ie, or their derivatives) combined when it comes to the great unwashed, let them eat cake, punters. BTW, this is not intended to be a your thingie is smaller than my thingie thingie :-) . BC -- Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. James Madison -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
On 15/06/10 10:21, Paul Schulz wrote: You can install Ubuntu on a USB stick and boot from that. - unetbootin - General tool for putting an ISO image onto a USB stick - usb-createor-gkk (or -kde) - Ubuntu specific tool. so.. if you have an iso (CD or DVD) that does what you want, you can get to boot from from a USB stick (and possibly also a hard drive). This might help but tit isn't the whole solution. On the other hand, you could sell the Ubuntu-on-a-stick (4GB is apparently sufficient) and then they can take it away with them. I have the Lucid iso residing on a 4GB USB flash. Only slight hassle is that you will not get sound to work. If this is no hassle then its fine. One last comment: if installing the CD Live on a USB stick then you would need to consider the speed of the USB stick - you would probably want to use one of the fastest around (Corsair) for which you would be paying ~$31 + freight from Sydney. BC Cheers, Paul On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Basil Chupinblchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 14/06/10 16:34, Paul Gear wrote: On 14/06/10 16:31, Basil Chupin wrote: ... Deep Freeze is available for Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, so it's likely that it could be hacked (possibly only with Faronics' involvement) to work with Ubuntu: http://www.faronics.com/en/Products/DeepFreeze/DeepFreezeLinux.aspx Paul In the second reference I gave Tom there is actually a statement that Faronics is soliciting info from Linux users re Deep Freeze; so it seems that getting in touch with Faronics would be an excellent idea. The part of the second reference that talks about that is over 3 years old. Since then, Faronics have actually released their Linux version (for Novell SLED). Ah, OK3 years old :-) . But I hardly think that SLED is something which normal users would install where Deep Freeze would be needed. Novell claims that, in the corporate world, they are second to Red Hat in popularity, but Ubuntu outshines anyone of these (ie, or their derivatives) combined when it comes to the great unwashed, let them eat cake, punters. BTW, this is not intended to be a your thingie is smaller than my thingie thingie :-) . BC -- Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. James Madison -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. James Madison -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
--- On Tue, 15/6/10, Paul Schulz p...@mawsonlakes.org wrote: From: Paul Schulz p...@mawsonlakes.org Subject: Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Received: Tuesday, 15 June, 2010, 10:21 AM You can install Ubuntu on a USB stick and boot from that. - unetbootin - General tool for putting an ISO image onto a USB stick - usb-createor-gkk (or -kde) - Ubuntu specific tool. so.. if you have an iso (CD or DVD) that does what you want, you can get to boot from from a USB stick (and possibly also a hard drive). This might help but tit isn't the whole solution. On the other hand, you could sell the Ubuntu-on-a-stick (4GB is apparently sufficient) and then they can take it away with them. Cheers, Paul snip I know about the Ubutu-on-a-* but I need to download a new ISO for ever update tom -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
ubuntu for Internet cafe
I am wondering if there is a version of ubuntu for an internet cafe? Is there a installable read-only (liveCD like) version of ubuntu? tom_a_sparks Light travels faster then sound, which is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
On 13/06/10 19:09, Tom Sparks wrote: I am wondering if there is a version of ubuntu for an internet cafe? Is there a installable read-only (liveCD like) version of ubuntu? I don't understandthe Ubuntu CD is a Live CD using which you can run Ubuntu to do most, but not all, things or you can install Ubuntu (Lucid for example) using this Live CD. You can even create a Live USB memory stick/flash drive (by using the Create Starup Disc) from an insallation of 10.04. What exactly are you asking help about? BC -- Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. James Madison -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
skipe for ubuntu?
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Re: skipe for ubuntu?
Hi Abdul, You can download the Skype for Linux application from the Skype website. Here is a link: http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/ I have been using Skype for Linux in Ubuntu for about 3 years now and currently have it running on Lucid 64bit. All the features I use (video, audio, send SMS etc) work flawlessly. Cheers, Rob On 13/06/10 19:15, abdul basit wrote: hello group i need skipe for ubuntu please send me thanks!!! -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
--- On Mon, 14/6/10, Tom Sparks tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Tom Sparks tom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe To: Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au Received: Monday, 14 June, 2010, 10:37 AM --- On Sun, 13/6/10, Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: From: Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Received: Sunday, 13 June, 2010, 10:58 PM On 13/06/10 19:09, Tom Sparks wrote: I am wondering if there is a version of ubuntu for an internet cafe? Is there a installable read-only (liveCD like) version of ubuntu? I don't understandthe Ubuntu CD is a Live CD using which you can run Ubuntu to do most, but not all, things or you can install Ubuntu (Lucid for example) using this Live CD. You can even create a Live USB memory stick/flash drive (by using the Create Starup Disc) from an insallation of 10.04. What exactly are you asking help about? currently we use a program called Deep Freeze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Freeze_%28software%29 ) on our windows computers the close likeness I seen is the ubuntu LiveCD Is there a ubuntu like program? tom PS: sorry for relying to you off-list -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
On 14/06/10 10:40, Tom Sparks wrote: --- On Mon, 14/6/10, Tom Sparkstom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Tom Sparkstom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe To: Basil Chupinblchu...@iinet.net.au Received: Monday, 14 June, 2010, 10:37 AM --- On Sun, 13/6/10, Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: From: Basil Chupinblchu...@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Received: Sunday, 13 June, 2010, 10:58 PM On 13/06/10 19:09, Tom Sparks wrote: I am wondering if there is a version of ubuntu for an internet cafe? Is there a installable read-only (liveCD like) version of ubuntu? I don't understandthe Ubuntu CD is a Live CD using which you can run Ubuntu to do most, but not all, things or you can install Ubuntu (Lucid for example) using this Live CD. You can even create a Live USB memory stick/flash drive (by using the Create Starup Disc) from an insallation of 10.04. What exactly are you asking help about? currently we use a program called Deep Freeze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Freeze_%28software%29 ) on our windows computers the close likeness I seen is the ubuntu LiveCD Is there a ubuntu like program? tom PS: sorry for relying to you off-list Don't worry about it :-) . Your question is way beyond my level of knowledge. Somebody else would more than likely have the answer for you. But have a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1051420 and here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=172374 but then do a google search on deep freeze + ubuntu. BC -- Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. James Madison -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/06/10 14:22, Basil Chupin wrote: On 14/06/10 10:40, Tom Sparks wrote: --- On Mon, 14/6/10, Tom Sparkstom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Tom Sparkstom_a_spa...@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe To: Basil Chupinblchu...@iinet.net.au Received: Monday, 14 June, 2010, 10:37 AM --- On Sun, 13/6/10, Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: From: Basil Chupinblchu...@iinet.net.au Subject: Re: ubuntu for Internet cafe To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Received: Sunday, 13 June, 2010, 10:58 PM On 13/06/10 19:09, Tom Sparks wrote: I am wondering if there is a version of ubuntu for an internet cafe? Is there a installable read-only (liveCD like) version of ubuntu? I don't understandthe Ubuntu CD is a Live CD using which you can run Ubuntu to do most, but not all, things or you can install Ubuntu (Lucid for example) using this Live CD. You can even create a Live USB memory stick/flash drive (by using the Create Starup Disc) from an insallation of 10.04. What exactly are you asking help about? currently we use a program called Deep Freeze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Freeze_%28software%29 ) on our windows computers the close likeness I seen is the ubuntu LiveCD Is there a ubuntu like program? tom PS: sorry for relying to you off-list Don't worry about it :-) . Your question is way beyond my level of knowledge. Somebody else would more than likely have the answer for you. But have a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1051420 and here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=172374 but then do a google search on deep freeze + ubuntu. BC Hi Tom, Have you thought about setting up the systems exactly how you want them using the guest account? Also, something that *may* be worth looking into is Pessulus. There is an interesting article on Pessulus at http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/add-restrictions-to-your-ubuntu-system-with-lockdown-editor-pessulus/ I haven't personally used that app, but I had it recommended to me by someone a while ago. Also, it's in the main repository so it should be easy enough to try out see if it does what you need. I hope this helps Warm Regards, Mitch Towner (kermiac) http://mitchtowner.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMFbj/AAoJENegJk0fbKNMBw4IAKMzCa1Fo6fX66an/wd+oRO8 e7PKUK5XlsQVB+y3hYvWcy+RKDMtl3Hdj0v6sTh0b+KqHRgDyKXZjaQlPqEVYOel kdQIxotHIUl/UpMJEjIuzSrgaNIkAFszCj8mzwKEUSq0RmSK0DqeetbL7B68FXxx xpqWrx5tQuAGkTlF0qVrkBWWCq4GlQoiy24z6cexICwTeaSAbqww3N1L5gcljhKd u3pTuAZDCalfbfwOowCSFNIQfc6UovNnRjI3Y/FaA7flSt2mF3mIMn4Iz7LqUH+/ ULxd7rLr8S8bcnmqZ7SQoVsLLH8za1+EjBmLa2zIcTu6cqdBP4Xbygq6M56PMG0= =LpD3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 12:26 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Paul Gear Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking... :-) Another nice bonus when it comes to holding an event ahead of linux.conf.au: there are usually quite a few Canonical folk from overseas speaking or just attending. Though not crucial (we have awesome local contributors of course) it's a nice way to ratchet up interest from less community-connected folks. (The very first GNOME.conf.au in 2004 was a massive success because we had an unusually large presence of GNOME and X contributors that year.) - Jeff I'd be interested in this, even if it's just a few hours on the Sunday before the conference it would be useful to meet up. If we can't be bothered organising that i would like to meet up and have a meal with other people from the loco some time in the conference. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
Why do people find structure so critical to a community. We are a group of people interested in Ubuntu and the progression of Ubuntu in Australia. Do we need to hold conferences with minutes and boards? None of this is at all binding so how can you expect anyone who does not get their voted leader in to at all follow any rules set by the leaders or follow any policy they disagree with? Pretty much you have no way of enforcing users comply to any of your demands. In my opinion the only viable option is to act as a community and not a company and let the community participate in activities they wish to participate in. I am prepared to participate in a constructive way to improve Ubuntu and open source and free software. I am not prepared to sit at an AGM. Just my 2 cents. But then again a conference would be cool if we could talk about tech? Such a strange idea. On Jun 10, 7:49 pm, Daniel Sobey dns_ser...@yahoo.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 12:26 +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Paul Gear Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking... :-) Another nice bonus when it comes to holding an event ahead of linux.conf.au: there are usually quite a few Canonical folk from overseas speaking or just attending. Though not crucial (we have awesome local contributors of course) it's a nice way to ratchet up interest from less community-connected folks. (The very first GNOME.conf.au in 2004 was a massive success because we had an unusually large presence of GNOME and X contributors that year.) - Jeff I'd be interested in this, even if it's just a few hours on the Sunday before the conference it would be useful to meet up. If we can't be bothered organising that i would like to meet up and have a meal with other people from the loco some time in the conference. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu AU LoCo Restructure Poll
We spent most of the meeting before last on the restructuring so why would we repeat it. I will be voting :-) On Jun 9, 11:24 am, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 June 2010 09:36, andrew gande...@gmail.com wrote: Bravo Ryan for bringing this forward, I will not be voting for any of the structures for the following reasons. 1. At last nights meeting there was no discussion of the actual positions on the team. 2. There has been no discussion on the direction goals of the team (of which IMO are very important when deciding on how a team is to be structured governed) If the above are addressed then it comes down to whether we want a 'Democratic' process where candidates are voted for or a 'Meritocracy' process where people are appointed. Models 1 1a are clearly 'Meritocracy' and as it stands now, people are appointed indefinitely until they resign their positions. This is the current model. Model 3 is ONE 'Democratic' representative model based on regional/city groups. As there is no 'goal' of developing regional/city groups then this model is irrelevant. There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected to positions based on merit every 12 months. When people nominate for positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the position and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco. As stated above, when we have a discussion on our goals, we can talk about positions, then we can talk about an election/appointment process. This is just my opinion and I know that others will disagree. Regards, Andrew G. On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 22:21 +0930, Ryan Macnish wrote: Hey everyone, So, iv made a poll and iv made it so you can only select ONE option, although you can change your selection that is irrelevant since its not possible to vote multiple times using the same name. If you fake it and want to try my patience, then so be it. http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9 Ryan Macnish __ Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to live? -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Andrew and Ubuntu-AU, As far as positions go I thought the meeting basically detailed that to get it going forward we need to first decide what structure people wanted to follow. No one present voiced any objection to this from what I recall. After the structure was determined by the vote we could then look at positions based upon what option people chose. As far as discussing positions within the different structure options I think there is enough detail on the wiki for people to decide what structure is preferred. As far as directions and goals for the team go I thought we already had them, quoted from the wiki The Australian team focuses on distributing, advertising and demonstrating Ubuntu within Australia. Through the development of our projects we focus on the areas of schools, business and home users. Therefore this vote is the starting point we need to ensure the group is best structured according to what the majority of people think is best suited so that we can move forward with a defined structure. I am sorry that you have chosen not to participate, I respect your decisions but I don't see how that would be constructive. You say this is your opinion not to vote and others will disagree and the whole point of the vote is to get a consensus on everyone's opinions, including yours. Regards, Jared Norris. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 52, Issue 10
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 08:27 +0100, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: Another device that is still a problem is the scanner function in Multi-Function Printers. I would say that when both items are working without any hassles we will see a strong move towards Linux by users of laptops. So is this saying that at this stage Sane will never recognise the scanner in my Canon MX350 MFC, even without any trickery?? Canon provide a Linux version of ScanGear so I can scan, but not from within documents. Have to scan to a file then import the file. Would be nice to scan into the document, like I used to with stand-alone scanner. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
quote who=colin mcdermott Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia. This confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and we elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not there. There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this: Why not arrange an Ubuntu event before linux.conf.au (being one of the best Free Software conferences in the world and our biggest and brightest FLOSS event)... although in recent years separate single-distro miniconfs have not been selected, there is always the option of holding a special event before the conference proper (much like FOMS). Just a thought. Go where the people are and all. - Jeff -- Ubuntu's Bleeding Edge http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/ No match for LINUSWEARSTHEPANTS.ORG. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jeff Waugh j...@bethesignal.org wrote: quote who=colin mcdermott Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia. This confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and we elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not there. There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this: Why not arrange an Ubuntu event before linux.conf.au (being one of the best Free Software conferences in the world and our biggest and brightest FLOSS event)... although in recent years separate single-distro miniconfs have not been selected, there is always the option of holding a special event before the conference proper (much like FOMS). Just a thought. Go where the people are and all. - Jeff Excellent Idea! There is nothing stopping anyone from having a Ubuntu event on the weekend before Linux.conf..au in the same city Say start at 12noon on Saturday (allow people enough time to fly in), finish sometime on Sunday. Then on monday, go to LCA. (that's my idea for the timing on it.. Gets the maximum number of people attending at the lowest travel cost as they are coming anyway for LCA). For those that haven't organise an event before, it's a lot of work. can't just roll up on the day and have everything happen. Using the above as a framework, 12noon to say 6pm and then 9am to 3pm on Sunday is a lot of hours to keep people engaged and enthused. The logistics gets worse as the number of streams increase. For those that are considering it without previous unconference/conference experience, do something smaller first. Try an BarCamp first of comparable length. Please don't be scared off by this but plan it fully. Regards George -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
quote who=George Patterson For those that are considering it without previous unconference/conference experience, do something smaller first. Try an BarCamp first of comparable length. Please don't be scared off by this but plan it fully. Concur. I ran GNOME.conf.au as a linux.conf.au miniconf for a few years. It took quite a bit of preparation for a fairly simple event -- one room, one stream, 8-10 sessions, most of which were half presentation, half QA. They were much-loved and incredibly satisfying to work on. Nothing like a whole day of sharing and energy to meet and greet your peers and future friends! - Jeff -- Ubuntu's Bleeding Edge http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/ W.O.R.K: Weekend Over, Resume the Killings. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
On 10/06/10 11:45, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=George Patterson For those that are considering it without previous unconference/conference experience, do something smaller first. Try an BarCamp first of comparable length. Please don't be scared off by this but plan it fully. Concur. I ran GNOME.conf.au as a linux.conf.au miniconf for a few years. It took quite a bit of preparation for a fairly simple event -- one room, one stream, 8-10 sessions, most of which were half presentation, half QA. They were much-loved and incredibly satisfying to work on. Nothing like a whole day of sharing and energy to meet and greet your peers and future friends! On http://linux.org.au/LCA: In 2011 linux.conf.au is heading to Brisbane. From the 16th to the 22nd of January the Queensland capital will play host to one of the world's best conferences for Free and Open Source Software developers and users. Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking... Paul attachment: paul.vcf-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Local Ubuntu conference [Was: Metrocracy vs democracy]
quote who=Paul Gear Sounds like we in the Brisbane team need to get cracking... :-) Another nice bonus when it comes to holding an event ahead of linux.conf.au: there are usually quite a few Canonical folk from overseas speaking or just attending. Though not crucial (we have awesome local contributors of course) it's a nice way to ratchet up interest from less community-connected folks. (The very first GNOME.conf.au in 2004 was a massive success because we had an unusually large presence of GNOME and X contributors that year.) - Jeff -- Ubuntu's Bleeding Edge http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/ It's a pan-dimensional cake, and there are many ways to slice it. - Bruce Badger -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Ubuntu AU LoCo Restructure Poll
Hey everyone, So, iv made a poll and iv made it so you can only select ONE option, although you can change your selection that is irrelevant since its not possible to vote multiple times using the same name. If you fake it and want to try my patience, then so be it. http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9 Ryan Macnish _ Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu AU LoCo Restructure Poll
Bravo Ryan for bringing this forward, I will not be voting for any of the structures for the following reasons. 1. At last nights meeting there was no discussion of the actual positions on the team. 2. There has been no discussion on the direction goals of the team (of which IMO are very important when deciding on how a team is to be structured governed) If the above are addressed then it comes down to whether we want a 'Democratic' process where candidates are voted for or a 'Meritocracy' process where people are appointed. Models 1 1a are clearly 'Meritocracy' and as it stands now, people are appointed indefinitely until they resign their positions. This is the current model. Model 3 is ONE 'Democratic' representative model based on regional/city groups. As there is no 'goal' of developing regional/city groups then this model is irrelevant. There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected to positions based on merit every 12 months. When people nominate for positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the position and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco. As stated above, when we have a discussion on our goals, we can talk about positions, then we can talk about an election/appointment process. This is just my opinion and I know that others will disagree. Regards, Andrew G. On Tue, 2010-06-08 at 22:21 +0930, Ryan Macnish wrote: Hey everyone, So, iv made a poll and iv made it so you can only select ONE option, although you can change your selection that is irrelevant since its not possible to vote multiple times using the same name. If you fake it and want to try my patience, then so be it. http://www.doodle.com/zift4eahcy3mrvv9 Ryan Macnish __ Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to live? -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-AU wiki page
Hi Jared, On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 21:13 +1000, Jared Norris wrote: Good morning/afternoon/evening Ubuntu-AU'ers As I have been going through and cleaning up a lot of the wiki lately (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam) I have had quite a few people coming to me suggesting that the front page itself was also due for a revamp. Almost everyone who had anything to say about the wiki in general also made comment that they front page very confusing as there was too much information presented to visitors at one hit. Excellent work! It looks so much better. The page looks a lot better. Its great to see someone taking some ownership of the wiki and bringing some order to the (outdated) chaos. Quick comment, I'd move the status towards the bottom, it is relevant, but not that important to most readers. Cheers Dave -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-AU wiki page
On 05/06/10 21:13, Jared Norris wrote: Good morning/afternoon/evening Ubuntu-AU'ers As I have been going through and cleaning up a lot of the wiki lately (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam) I have had quite a few people coming to me suggesting that the front page itself was also due for a revamp. Almost everyone who had anything to say about the wiki in general also made comment that they front page very confusing as there was too much information presented to visitors at one hit. As a result of these conversations I have sat down tonight and spent a fair bit of time trying to organise it a bit better so that it is a much easier to read page. I have not changed any of the content just tried to organise it in a way that might make it easier to read for some. I have also noticed the wiki updates were already on the next team meeting agenda (next Tuesday) so I have just added a little more detail so people can also provide any feedback in this forum. I hope to *fingers crossed* be at the meeting Tuesday night myself so I can talk about it with everyone as well. Unless it's spelling or link changes can we please keep the changes until after discussion on the list and at the meetings. I don't mind constructive criticism and I'm not saying the way it is will be the way it has to stay (surely there will be changes or even a reversion) but I'm just trying to keep it a little organised so it doesn't become an unrecognisable mish mash of different things until everyone has had a chance to have input. Regards, Jared Norris (head_victim) This was available back in 2006. Could this be of help?: http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/ BC -- Attorney: All your responses MUST be oral, OK? What school did you go to? Witness:Oral. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: firefox on Ubuntu 10.04
Cheers Rob, Disabling ipv6 in Firefox did it for me 73 de Norm, VK3XCI Mildura, Australia The Wintersun City QF15bt. On 30/05/2010 12:26, Rob Dawson wrote: Hi Norm, I had the same issue in an earlier version and my problem was in the ipv6 settings. Here is some info (with links) that might help: From: http://firefox-tutorials.blogspot.com/2010/05/common-issues-solutions.html Symptoms: * Web sites keeps loading but never show up * Firefox cant connect to any sites, but other browsers work * Firefox can connect to sites only using the IP number * Connections settings are reset after restart Solution: Make sure your connection settings are correct (e.g., Tools - Options - Advanced - Network / Connection - Settings). Additionally, disable ipv6 on Firefox Preferences, by setting the network.dns.disableIPv6 preference to true. 1. Type about:config in the address bar, press Enter. 2. Find network.dns.disableIPv6 in the list. 3. Right-click - Toggle. 4. Restart Firefox and try again. And from: http://wojox.homelinux.org/?p=46 You can also disable ipv6 on the system. Ubuntu has a newer Internet protocol called IPv6 turned on by default. However, some hardware such as NICs and modems shows broken behaviour when exposed to IPv6 related DNS requests. This leaves you wondering why DNS resolution seems slower or doesnt work at all. So lets disable it: gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub Look for this line and add: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=ipv6.disable=1 quiet splash Save and close your file then run: sudo update-grub2 Reboot and see if you notice a difference. Cheers, Rob On 30/05/10 10:11, Norm, VK3XCI wrote: Boy, is 10.04 giving me some grief, particularly from an LTS point and especially on my 701SD netbook Here's the latest I finally got wireless working on the 701SD. had to change the whole network to WEP 40 open key. I have some cards coming to enable WPA. The current problem is Firefox won't download https pages. I get a server taking too long to respond error. Chromium connects just fine. I've been through all the privacy and encryption settings and I can't find a problem. Anyone got a clue? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2904 - Release Date: 05/30/10 04:25:00 -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-AU Wiki Update
Great work. Love the additions to the Wiki. On May 24, 10:58 pm, Dave Hall dave.h...@skwashd.com wrote: Hi Jared, On Mon, 2010-05-24 at 19:15 +1000, Jared Norris wrote: Good morning/afternoon/evening Ubuntu-AU'ers I just wanted to drop you all an email to let you know that I have made some changes to the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam). In an effort to revitalise, revamp and refresh the information I have gone through and spent some time sorting out a lot of the pages that were linked there. Looks good. I know wikis don't provide a lot of options for layout, but can I suggest that we try to move away from tables for layout. Table based layouts aren't very good for accessibility. They're designed for tabular data. I have also gone through and combined a few of the pages to link to the /Projects page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects). These include the BugJam page, the Hardware documentation information (I have also reorganised all the different notebook information pages as well and included this under this area), local meetings page and the wireless broadband information page here as well. I've added some APNs there. I will try to add some more as I have time. Does anyone know what the process is to get an APN added to the included list that ships with network manager? Cheers Dave -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Ubuntu-Au group. To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Ubuntu-AU Wiki Update
Good morning/afternoon/evening Ubuntu-AU'ers I just wanted to drop you all an email to let you know that I have made some changes to the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam). In an effort to revitalise, revamp and refresh the information I have gone through and spent some time sorting out a lot of the pages that were linked there. As a result a lot of pages have been moved to the /Archives area (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Archives) not based on if an idea or project was any good but based up how long it has been since there had been any activity on the page. If anything has been moved here in error please bring it out of there and link it to the appropriate page on the wiki. I have also gone through and combined a few of the pages to link to the /Projects page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects). These include the BugJam page, the Hardware documentation information (I have also reorganised all the different notebook information pages as well and included this under this area), local meetings page and the wireless broadband information page here as well. I have also added in a where to from here? section on the New Members page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Members/NewMembers) as it has been noted that a lot of new members feel that they don't know how to get involved so I thought this page was a good place to put this information. I have just put in some basic information that is implied elsewhere but spells it out a bit clearer. The idea being to not have vast numbers of sub pages off the main Australian Team page but to group them so it's a lot easier to find what you are looking for and a lot easier to maintain into the future. I plan on doing some more work on streamlining some other parts of the website but have kept it at this for now. If you want to do some work on the wiki I can tell you after looking at it the hardware documentation pages are the least updated pages on the site (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/HardwareDocumentation). So please get in and add your experiences in the appropriate sub pages so that the whole team can benefit. As this is an open wiki there is no limits on who can edit the wiki (as long as you are signed in) so please try and keep page structures similar and ordered as it is starting to become on the wiki now. If you have lots of information to add or want to start a whole new page about a particular topic and you're not sure how to do this just email the list or jump on IRC and we'll be able to help you out. it is a TEAM wiki so please remember the Ubuntu Code of Conduct when contemplating putting information on the pages and the more people that get involved the more successful it will be as a place to go for communication and information for the whole team. I am keen to hear any/all feedback, good and bad alike. Feel free to email it to the list directly or to send me one off list or on IRC if you prefer. Regards, Jared Norris https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-AU Wiki Update
Just on a separate note, the current ubuntu-au logo should we update or stay with what is current? I think stay with the current, but maybe alter to the new colour schema? thoughts? Scott Evans VK7HSE Phone: +61362291658 Mobile: +61417586157 Skype: vk7hse sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.org http://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org PGP/GPG Key ID 2B8CA152 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu-AU Wiki Update
On 24 May 2010 21:09, Scott Evans sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.org wrote: Just on a separate note, the current ubuntu-au logo should we update or stay with what is current? I think stay with the current, but maybe alter to the new colour schema? thoughts? *Scott Evans VK7HSE* *Phone: +61362291658* *Mobile: +61417586157* *Skype: vk7hse* *sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.org* *http://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org* *PGP/GPG Key ID 2B8CA152* Scott, As far as I can tell the new theme doesn't actually change the circle of friends logo colours much (if at all, seems to still be predominately orange from what I can tell?) just with different fonts and colours around the logo. Shouldn't be too hard to adjust the colours if this isn't the case though but we would need to track down the original image to adjust. As for the wiki theme I can't wait for them (the ubuntu team that look after the wiki pages) to get to updating the wiki pages to the new theme, it should look pretty good. Regards, Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 51, Issue 35
On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 23:37 +0100, Norm wrote: Message: 6 Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 08:31:28 +1000 From: Norm, VK3XCI vk3...@aanet.com.au Subject: Re: 701SD wireless To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: 4bf466c0.7070...@aanet.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Morning all, here's where we're at. Wireless card is a realtek RTL8187SE Kernal driver in use is r8180 Kernel module is rtl8187se It sees all the wireless networks around me, 3 all together My wireless is 64bit WEP shared key. (lowest common denominator) I have installed the non-free package. Tries to connect but fails with no error message. Are you typing in the WEP passphrase, or the WEP key? Most devices and operating systems can't accept a WEP password, only the key (that seemingly-meaningless string). Ubuntu is usually okay with accepting a WEP password, but maybe it has regressed in this regard. The other thing is, I have the regular RTL8187 and it works fine. Have you tried: sudo modprobe -r rtl8187se sudo modprobe rtl8187 Hopefully, if the chipsets are very similar, the device should come back up in a few seconds and work. You'd need to do this on every boot, or just add the rtl8187se driver to the blacklist and rtl8187 to the always load list. If those two commands above work, but you don't know how to blacklist modules, just e-mail me and I'll send back some instructions. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
As I said at the meeting I am up for any bug triage day. On May 18, 1:35 pm, Peter Watts watto...@gmail.com wrote: I also have an interest in Bugs. Joined the Bug squad but find it difficult to get started. A team environment should help with this. On 18 May 2010 06:41, Paul Gear p...@libertysys.com.au wrote: On 18/05/10 00:22, Jared Norris wrote: On 18 May 2010 00:13, Ryan Macnishnis...@hotmail.com wrote: Im certainly interested in this idea, its easy to do, helps ubuntu out, and helps the ubuntu-au members to get to know each other. Although iv never triaged a bug before, im willing to give it a shot and help others in the process. Ryan Macnish ... A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to a package) assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of helpful friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct package for a bug report. ... More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad Knowledge Base [6] the How to Triage wiki page [7]. For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a date, if an online how to triage class would be beneficial, if people who are local should meet face-to-face have everyone collaborate online, etc, etc. ... Sounds like a great idea. I would definitely be interested in this sort of activity, work roster permitting (I'm a shift worker). This is a good proposal. That is something else i think local meetings would be good for! Paul P.S. Jared: yes, i would consider your place fairly central, although Northsiders may not, and parking might be an issue if you want to keep your lawn... ;-) -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Ubuntu-Au group. To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
On 17 May 2010 23:29, Mitch Towner mitch.towner.ubu...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In the IRC meeting it was agreed that we need to work together collaboratively. One thing that we can do together is have an online BugJam. This basically entails working together as a team on helping to improve bug reports in Ubuntu's bug tracker - Launchpad [1]. If there is enough interest/participation, Ubuntu-AU BugJams would initially be every 2 months with the possibility or changing it to once a month in the future. Many not-so-technically-minded people tend to shy away from this idea, however it is actually easier to help out than it sounds! The whole idea of bug triage is to improve bug reports. This can be performed in many different ways. A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to a package) assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of helpful friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct package for a bug report. Another way that people who are new to bug triage can help out is by confirming bugs are still valid by trying to reproduce them with the latest version of the package that the bug is reported against. A good way to get started with confirming bug reports is to focus on a package that you are familiar with. Try to reproduce bug reports filed against an older version of the package to see if the issue still exists in the latest version of the package. Go to [5] to search for bugs in a specific package. More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad Knowledge Base [6] the How to Triage wiki page [7]. For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a date, if an online how to triage class would be beneficial, if people who are local should meet face-to-face have everyone collaborate online, etc, etc. [1] https://launchpad.net/ [2] http://is.gd/bWXr8 [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage [4] http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-bugs [5] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ [6] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase [7] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL8Uu/AAoJENegJk0fbKNMnucIAILaw7ch4Se3602Eywc8xIf9 cU8gMWx1WJ1xHiBs++2U/2NFjjCVPVD19IUQfwhd0Acm+obwVGqQvPIGK0IzQUtX ALJdjHcWGhh/PbpWS/PaRj0nw5Iw0I/Qn9+rb1DZNqJTmEVIVxcv7COuEetL1C82 5/8kMYrGUIoQn3R7UVdoeNTbmmt4rs2kVEVDSCoibPEEmX3RNiMoGCEJr/BrzmwV 5WUpAab/DPzWyGqzGRcpPa1JNhPdFaDhEBiEuo3/Fjt1XcX+CluRi+JQ06utqxiV s1gQsj2zLer2hHa1A7d36fvc8LqvefNv2iqr0yxAO9tbRbsa7YNIQfteyJ0gwDA= =GiDS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au I have funny feeling I might be the only SA based person atm, but count me in :-) -- [WWW] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/ The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them - Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
Count me in for the bug jam On 5/19/10, brett kar...@scentient.com.au wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010 23:59:34 +1000 Mitch Towner mitch.towner.ubu...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In the IRC meeting it was agreed that we need to work together collaboratively. One thing that we can do together is have an online BugJam. This basically entails working together as a team on helping to improve bug reports in Ubuntu's bug tracker - Launchpad [1]. If there is enough interest/participation, Ubuntu-AU BugJams would initially be every 2 months with the possibility or changing it to once a month in the future. Many not-so-technically-minded people tend to shy away from this idea, however it is actually easier to help out than it sounds! The whole idea of bug triage is to improve bug reports. This can be performed in many different ways. A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to a package) assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of helpful friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct package for a bug report. Another way that people who are new to bug triage can help out is by confirming bugs are still valid by trying to reproduce them with the latest version of the package that the bug is reported against. A good way to get started with confirming bug reports is to focus on a package that you are familiar with. Try to reproduce bug reports filed against an older version of the package to see if the issue still exists in the latest version of the package. Go to [5] to search for bugs in a specific package. More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad Knowledge Base [6] the How to Triage wiki page [7]. For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a date, if an online how to triage class would be beneficial, if people who are local should meet face-to-face have everyone collaborate online, etc, etc. I understand how this supports Ubuntu, I don't understand how this promotes Ubuntu to the wider, non-Ubuntu community. I think it is a great idea and everyone, regardless of tech-spec, should get involved/be welcomed into the fold, but I don't think it is a prime objective of a LoCo. jmo -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- Sent from my mobile device -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
I'm interested -- Chris Martin m: 0419812371 -- On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:58 PM, MoLE moleontheh...@gmail.com wrote: Count me in for the bug jam On 5/19/10, brett kar...@scentient.com.au wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010 23:59:34 +1000 Mitch Towner mitch.towner.ubu...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In the IRC meeting it was agreed that we need to work together collaboratively. One thing that we can do together is have an online BugJam. This basically entails working together as a team on helping to improve bug reports in Ubuntu's bug tracker - Launchpad [1]. If there is enough interest/participation, Ubuntu-AU BugJams would initially be every 2 months with the possibility or changing it to once a month in the future. Many not-so-technically-minded people tend to shy away from this idea, however it is actually easier to help out than it sounds! The whole idea of bug triage is to improve bug reports. This can be performed in many different ways. A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to a package) assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of helpful friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct package for a bug report. Another way that people who are new to bug triage can help out is by confirming bugs are still valid by trying to reproduce them with the latest version of the package that the bug is reported against. A good way to get started with confirming bug reports is to focus on a package that you are familiar with. Try to reproduce bug reports filed against an older version of the package to see if the issue still exists in the latest version of the package. Go to [5] to search for bugs in a specific package. More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad Knowledge Base [6] the How to Triage wiki page [7]. For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a date, if an online how to triage class would be beneficial, if people who are local should meet face-to-face have everyone collaborate online, etc, etc. I understand how this supports Ubuntu, I don't understand how this promotes Ubuntu to the wider, non-Ubuntu community. I think it is a great idea and everyone, regardless of tech-spec, should get involved/be welcomed into the fold, but I don't think it is a prime objective of a LoCo. jmo -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- Sent from my mobile device -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Yes for me we need to have an official Australian LoCo we can't just be cut off from Ubuntu as an entire country :/ On May 16, 2:43 pm, Paul Gear p...@libertysys.com.au wrote: On 14/05/10 14:03, Lisa Milne wrote: Well, with comments such as you are flogging a dead horse floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) Part of this may be a perverse need on my part to differentiate myself from the crowd ;-) but i feel compelled to be the first NO. Now, let me qualify that a little: the LoCo council has refused re-approval because they believe we're not in a position to be a LoCo at the moment. I think their concerns are justified. I say it's time to hit the pause button, take a few deep breaths (quite a few, actually), get some positive grass-roots action happening, and come back to discuss this again when we have a few more months of getting along well with each other under our collective belt. I asked on IRC the other night and i haven't yet been given any reason that we /absolutely require/ an approved LoCo in order to do the things we want to do. (As far as i can tell, we won't immediately lose our mailing list, web site, IRC channel, or anything like that.) Sure, some things might be /better/ with a LoCo, but we don't /need/ one in order to work together. Not only that, we're actually a bit lacking in actual ideas for local promotion of Ubuntu. My perception is that most of what people are calling for at the moment is just nailing down structure. I ask: even if the structure is set up ideally to your liking, what then? What will you do with that ideal structure? Why not start making positive contributions now, without the ideal structure? (My next email will contain my suggestion for one such grass-roots action.) Regards, Paul P.S. Harrisony: i want my $5. :-P -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au paul.vcf 1KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Ubuntu-Au group. To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In the IRC meeting it was agreed that we need to work together collaboratively. One thing that we can do together is have an online BugJam. This basically entails working together as a team on helping to improve bug reports in Ubuntu's bug tracker - Launchpad [1]. If there is enough interest/participation, Ubuntu-AU BugJams would initially be every 2 months with the possibility or changing it to once a month in the future. Many not-so-technically-minded people tend to shy away from this idea, however it is actually easier to help out than it sounds! The whole idea of bug triage is to improve bug reports. This can be performed in many different ways. A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to a package) assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of helpful friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct package for a bug report. Another way that people who are new to bug triage can help out is by confirming bugs are still valid by trying to reproduce them with the latest version of the package that the bug is reported against. A good way to get started with confirming bug reports is to focus on a package that you are familiar with. Try to reproduce bug reports filed against an older version of the package to see if the issue still exists in the latest version of the package. Go to [5] to search for bugs in a specific package. More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad Knowledge Base [6] the How to Triage wiki page [7]. For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a date, if an online how to triage class would be beneficial, if people who are local should meet face-to-face have everyone collaborate online, etc, etc. [1] https://launchpad.net/ [2] http://is.gd/bWXr8 [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage [4] http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-bugs [5] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ [6] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase [7] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL8Uu/AAoJENegJk0fbKNMnucIAILaw7ch4Se3602Eywc8xIf9 cU8gMWx1WJ1xHiBs++2U/2NFjjCVPVD19IUQfwhd0Acm+obwVGqQvPIGK0IzQUtX ALJdjHcWGhh/PbpWS/PaRj0nw5Iw0I/Qn9+rb1DZNqJTmEVIVxcv7COuEetL1C82 5/8kMYrGUIoQn3R7UVdoeNTbmmt4rs2kVEVDSCoibPEEmX3RNiMoGCEJr/BrzmwV 5WUpAab/DPzWyGqzGRcpPa1JNhPdFaDhEBiEuo3/Fjt1XcX+CluRi+JQ06utqxiV s1gQsj2zLer2hHa1A7d36fvc8LqvefNv2iqr0yxAO9tbRbsa7YNIQfteyJ0gwDA= =GiDS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
On 18 May 2010 00:13, Ryan Macnish nis...@hotmail.com wrote: Im certainly interested in this idea, its easy to do, helps ubuntu out, and helps the ubuntu-au members to get to know each other. Although iv never triaged a bug before, im willing to give it a shot and help others in the process. Ryan Macnish Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 23:59:34 +1000 From: mitch.towner.ubu...@gmail.com To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In the IRC meeting it was agreed that we need to work together collaboratively. One thing that we can do together is have an online BugJam. This basically entails working together as a team on helping to improve bug reports in Ubuntu's bug tracker - Launchpad [1]. If there is enough interest/participation, Ubuntu-AU BugJams would initially be every 2 months with the possibility or changing it to once a month in the future. Many not-so-technically-minded people tend to shy away from this idea, however it is actually easier to help out than it sounds! The whole idea of bug triage is to improve bug reports. This can be performed in many different ways. A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to a package) assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of helpful friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct package for a bug report. Another way that people who are new to bug triage can help out is by confirming bugs are still valid by trying to reproduce them with the latest version of the package that the bug is reported against. A good way to get started with confirming bug reports is to focus on a package that you are familiar with. Try to reproduce bug reports filed against an older version of the package to see if the issue still exists in the latest version of the package. Go to [5] to search for bugs in a specific package. More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad Knowledge Base [6] the How to Triage wiki page [7]. For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a date, if an online how to triage class would be beneficial, if people who are local should meet face-to-face have everyone collaborate online, etc, etc. [1] https://launchpad.net/ [2] http://is.gd/bWXr8 [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage [4] http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-bugs [5] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ [6] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase [7] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL8Uu/AAoJENegJk0fbKNMnucIAILaw7ch4Se3602Eywc8xIf9 cU8gMWx1WJ1xHiBs++2U/2NFjjCVPVD19IUQfwhd0Acm+obwVGqQvPIGK0IzQUtX ALJdjHcWGhh/PbpWS/PaRj0nw5Iw0I/Qn9+rb1DZNqJTmEVIVxcv7COuEetL1C82 5/8kMYrGUIoQn3R7UVdoeNTbmmt4rs2kVEVDSCoibPEEmX3RNiMoGCEJr/BrzmwV 5WUpAab/DPzWyGqzGRcpPa1JNhPdFaDhEBiEuo3/Fjt1XcX+CluRi+JQ06utqxiV s1gQsj2zLer2hHa1A7d36fvc8LqvefNv2iqr0yxAO9tbRbsa7YNIQfteyJ0gwDA= =GiDS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Find it at CarPoint.com.au New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au Sounds like a great idea. I would definitely be interested in this sort of activity, work roster permitting (I'm a shift worker). Regards, Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
On 17/05/10 23:19, bwright wrote: Yes for me we need to have an official Australian LoCo we can't just be cut off from Ubuntu as an entire country :/ joke Who says we're cut off? My laptop seems to be fairly well connected to Ubuntu... ;-) /joke My point is that we don't need a LoCo to do stuff, and having a LoCo seems to have more costs (mostly in time effort) than benefits (mostly in image perception) at the moment. Paul attachment: paul.vcf-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
On 18/05/10 00:22, Jared Norris wrote: On 18 May 2010 00:13, Ryan Macnishnis...@hotmail.com wrote: Im certainly interested in this idea, its easy to do, helps ubuntu out, and helps the ubuntu-au members to get to know each other. Although iv never triaged a bug before, im willing to give it a shot and help others in the process. Ryan Macnish ... A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to a package) assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of helpful friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct package for a bug report. ... More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad Knowledge Base [6] the How to Triage wiki page [7]. For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a date, if an online how to triage class would be beneficial, if people who are local should meet face-to-face have everyone collaborate online, etc, etc. ... Sounds like a great idea. I would definitely be interested in this sort of activity, work roster permitting (I'm a shift worker). This is a good proposal. That is something else i think local meetings would be good for! Paul P.S. Jared: yes, i would consider your place fairly central, although Northsiders may not, and parking might be an issue if you want to keep your lawn... ;-) attachment: paul.vcf-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
On 18/05/2010, at 6:37 AM, Paul Gear wrote: On 17/05/10 23:19, bwright wrote: Yes for me we need to have an official Australian LoCo we can't just be cut off from Ubuntu as an entire country :/ joke Who says we're cut off? My laptop seems to be fairly well connected to Ubuntu... ;-) /joke My point is that we don't need a LoCo to do stuff, and having a LoCo seems to have more costs (mostly in time effort) than benefits (mostly in image perception) at the moment. Regardless, the old ubuntu-au wasn't functioning well. There's lots of energy now, so maybe some points in the re-approval email will get addressed, and the new ubuntu-au, regardless of approval status, will be better than the old. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
I also have an interest in Bugs. Joined the Bug squad but find it difficult to get started. A team environment should help with this. On 18 May 2010 06:41, Paul Gear p...@libertysys.com.au wrote: On 18/05/10 00:22, Jared Norris wrote: On 18 May 2010 00:13, Ryan Macnishnis...@hotmail.com wrote: Im certainly interested in this idea, its easy to do, helps ubuntu out, and helps the ubuntu-au members to get to know each other. Although iv never triaged a bug before, im willing to give it a shot and help others in the process. Ryan Macnish ... A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to a package) assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of helpful friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct package for a bug report. ... More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad Knowledge Base [6] the How to Triage wiki page [7]. For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a date, if an online how to triage class would be beneficial, if people who are local should meet face-to-face have everyone collaborate online, etc, etc. ... Sounds like a great idea. I would definitely be interested in this sort of activity, work roster permitting (I'm a shift worker). This is a good proposal. That is something else i think local meetings would be good for! Paul P.S. Jared: yes, i would consider your place fairly central, although Northsiders may not, and parking might be an issue if you want to keep your lawn... ;-) -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
I may not have been a very active contributor (due to time constraints with high school), but I certainly don't want to see the Australian Ubuntu LoCo disappear. Definitely a Yes from me. Joel Addison On 14/05/10 14:03, Lisa Milne wrote: Well, with comments such as you are flogging a dead horse floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
On 14/05/10 14:03, Lisa Milne wrote: Well, with comments such as you are flogging a dead horse floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) Part of this may be a perverse need on my part to differentiate myself from the crowd ;-) but i feel compelled to be the first NO. Now, let me qualify that a little: the LoCo council has refused re-approval because they believe we're not in a position to be a LoCo at the moment. I think their concerns are justified. I say it's time to hit the pause button, take a few deep breaths (quite a few, actually), get some positive grass-roots action happening, and come back to discuss this again when we have a few more months of getting along well with each other under our collective belt. I asked on IRC the other night and i haven't yet been given any reason that we /absolutely require/ an approved LoCo in order to do the things we want to do. (As far as i can tell, we won't immediately lose our mailing list, web site, IRC channel, or anything like that.) Sure, some things might be /better/ with a LoCo, but we don't /need/ one in order to work together. Not only that, we're actually a bit lacking in actual ideas for local promotion of Ubuntu. My perception is that most of what people are calling for at the moment is just nailing down structure. I ask: even if the structure is set up ideally to your liking, what then? What will you do with that ideal structure? Why not start making positive contributions now, without the ideal structure? (My next email will contain my suggestion for one such grass-roots action.) Regards, Paul P.S. Harrisony: i want my $5. :-P attachment: paul.vcf-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
RE: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
YES! YES! YES! Ryan Macnish Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:03:25 +1000 From: l...@ltmnet.com To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? Well, with comments such as you are flogging a dead horse floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) -- Lisa Milne l...@ltmnet.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au _ Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
yes +1 On 14 May 2010 13:33, Lisa Milne l...@ltmnet.com wrote: Well, with comments such as you are flogging a dead horse floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) -- Lisa Milne l...@ltmnet.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- [WWW] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/ The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them - Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 14:24 +0930, Robert Farrar wrote: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) Probably. I think a lot of the work can be done without an official loco. At the same time the official status is important for some things. Yes there should be. Why do people not want one ? That question should be directed at those who undermined the reapproval. The decent and honest thing to do would have been to CCed the list their correspondence with the LoCo council, just as Melissa did. I have real concerns about working with people who can't be up front and honest. Cheers Dave -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
-Original Message- That question should be directed at those who undermined the reapproval. The decent and honest thing to do would have been to CCed the list their correspondence with the LoCo council, just as Melissa did. I have real concerns about working with people who can't be up front and honest. Cheers Dave In what way did people undermine anything? nothing was happening! Be honest, nothing has happened within ubuntu-au since I've been involved (2008) So I can't see how some that wanted to try to change, can be blamed for wanting to do something... After all were we not told that if you wanted to do something, just do it. Now you can't have it both ways... Scott Evans VK7HSE Phone: +61362291658 Mobile: +61417586157 Skype: vk7hse sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.org http://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org PGP/GPG Key ID 2B8CA152 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Each downfall is also a new start a big yes Ferdinand -Original Message- From: Lisa Milne l...@ltmnet.com To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:03:25 +1000 Well, with comments such as you are flogging a dead horse floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) -- Lisa Milne l...@ltmnet.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Another Yes from me. Regards George -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Well, with comments such as you are flogging a dead horse floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) -- Lisa Milne l...@ltmnet.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Yes +1 Vote. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Lisa Milne l...@ltmnet.com wrote: Well, with comments such as you are flogging a dead horse floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) -- Lisa Milne l...@ltmnet.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Even though I'm not as involved as I could be I'd still like to see an Australian LoCo just so there are people out there providing support and promoting ubuntu and open source in general to the people of Australia. So yes. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Lisa Milne l...@ltmnet.com wrote: Well, with comments such as you are flogging a dead horse floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) -- Lisa Milne l...@ltmnet.com -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Lisa Milne wrote: Well, with comments such as you are flogging a dead horse floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) Yes there should be. Why do people not want one ? -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Yes On 14/05/10 14:03, Lisa Milne wrote: Well, with comments such as you are flogging a dead horse floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) -- Stephen Rees-Carter - Valorin http://valorin.net/ -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
It's a yes from me -- Regards,| Lions District 201 Q3 Rob Unsworth| Webmaster IT Chairman Ipswich, Australia | http://www.lionsq3.org.au On Fri, 14 May 2010, Lisa Milne wrote: Well, with comments such as you are flogging a dead horse floating around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't have to be involved. There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's willing to get involved: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? yes or no? (yes from me) -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Thai language in Ubuntu 10.4
On 08/05/10 07:36, Robert Parker wrote: Folks, I would like to be able to switch between Thai and English in the system menus if that is possible. I have no problems switching between Thai and English in the different applications. Clues anyone? I don't but a useful URL to have bookmarked is https://launchpad.net/ which often can provide an answer to a problem or question. BC -- I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. Galileo Galilei -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Installing Ubuntu on a new PC
Thank you all for the excellent advice. Here are a few comments with respect to individual advice: Mitch: Excellent. I would seem that I can do this: 1. Upgrade my existing PC with 10.04 from CD, create the list of packages file and save the home directory to the external HDD. 2. Install 10.04 on to the new PC from CD, install the home directory from external HDD and then install packages using the command lines. Paul: My first Ubuntu version was Jaunty and I up-graded to Karmic without a problem (except for connecting with Telstra Wireless Broadband, but that's working now more or less). Your advice on running overnight to update by schedule is welcomed. I don't have an off-peak time with my Telstra plan but, as I rarely use more than 500 Mb of my 1 Gb plan each month, I'm sure that this procedure is practical. Geoff Combes -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
Good evening Andrew and the Ubuntu-AU list, Firstly I would like to say that I agree the Ubuntu-AU team could use a lot more people willing to help out as much as you have in the Brisbane area. I do however have some reservations about your ongoing tirade of emails about the ACC. I would again like to point out to all members the Ubuntu Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct With this in mind I would like to draw attention specifically to the section: *“Please avoid flamewars, trolling, personal attacks, and **repetitive arguments**. On technical matters, the Technical Review Board can make a final decision. On matters of community governance, the Community Council can make a final decision. “* I have sat down tonight and seen yet again another post by yourself on the subject so it made me think about it some more. I have drawn up a table and worked out that of the 5 or 6 separate discussions on this topic it boils down to 6 people who are for your ACC, 8 people who are against your ACC and 6 people that were either neutral to your proposal or off topic with other issues. I would then like to point out that the 6 people that were FOR your proposed ACC have contributed 40 emails to the list on the topic. The people who were AGAINST your proposed ACC have contributed 10 emails in total. The people that were NEUTRAL/OFF TOPIC to your proposed ACC have sent in 14 emails. This is a total of 64 contributions from 20 different people. Please do not mistake a large number of emails to the list as a large groundswell of support, you personally have contributed 11 emails to this tally. As far as I can work out unless a lot more people come forward to support your idea it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction when you realise there is 337 people on this list ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Re-Approval). If you add to that the fact that as a list administrator I have seen 12 people unsubscribe since the topic started less than a week ago you will understand this current email. Unless there is a large number of people coming forward in the near future I don't think it's realistic to completely change how things are run when the way things are as we speak do not prevent anyone from organising activities beyond the scope of the aforementioned Code of Conduct. Keep up with the good work with regards to promoting Ubuntu within Brisbane but I think it's time to draw to a close the ongoing campaign of the ACC. Regards, Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am saddened that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of conduct to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot it out to stop folks challenging your authority. Lots of luck in your dictatorship whoa behold anyone who challenges your authority. I guess I will be kicked off the list for this but I believe it had to be said. Cary Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote .. Good evening Andrew and the Ubuntu-AU list, Firstly I would like to say that I agree the Ubuntu-AU team could use a lot more people willing to help out as much as you have in the Brisbane area. I do however have some reservations about your ongoing tirade of emails about the ACC. I would again like to point out to all members the Ubuntu Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct With this in mind I would like to draw attention specifically to the section:“Please avoid flamewars, trolling, personal attacks, and repetitive arguments. On technical matters, the Technical Review Board can make a final decision. On matters of community governance, the Community Council can make a final decision. “ I have sat down tonight and seen yet again another post by yourself on the subject so it made me think about it some more. I have drawn up a table and worked out that of the 5 or 6 separate discussions on this t opic it boils down to 6 people who are for your ACC, 8 people who are against your ACC and 6 people that were either neutral to your proposal or off topic with other issues. I would then like to point out that the 6 people that were FOR your proposed ACC have contributed 40 emails to the list on the topic. The people who were AGAINST your proposed ACC have contributed 10 emails in total. The people that were NEUTRAL/OFF TOPIC to your proposed ACC have sent in 14 emails. This is a total of 64 contributions from 20 different people. Please do not mistake a large number of emails to the list as a large groundswell of support, you personally have contributed 11 emails to this tally. As far as I can work out unless a lot more people come forward to support your idea it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction when you realise there is 337 people on this list (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Re-Approval). If you add to that the fact that as a list administrator I have s een 12 people unsubscribe since the topic started less than a week ago you will understand this current email. Unless there is a large number of people coming forward in the near future I don't think it's realistic to completely change how things are run when the way things are as we speak do not prevent anyone from organising activities beyond the scope of the aforementioned Code of Conduct. Keep up with the good work with regards to promoting Ubuntu within Brisbane but I think it's time to draw to a close the ongoing campaign of the ACC. Regards,Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
Hi Jared and the List. Yes I agree that things are getting out of hand. I started this discussion at an attempt to get people to talk about the issues. We have had some very good frank discussion. There has been quite a large silent majority and silence from the ones that should be making comment. The issues will not go away, just because we are sick of hearing about them, unless they are addressed. As I have argued quite hard about the need for an ACC, I concede that people need convincing with ACTION, that the model is a good one and by having an ACC it will facilitate addressing the issues that people have. You are quite right about arguments becoming circular, this does not in any way make a positive contribution to the discussion. Lets be active on what we can change and make a positive contribution to the things that we think need changing. Regards, Andrew G. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote: Good evening Andrew and the Ubuntu-AU list, Firstly I would like to say that I agree the Ubuntu-AU team could use a lot more people willing to help out as much as you have in the Brisbane area. I do however have some reservations about your ongoing tirade of emails about the ACC. I would again like to point out to all members the Ubuntu Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct With this in mind I would like to draw attention specifically to the section: *“Please avoid flamewars, trolling, personal attacks, and **repetitive arguments**. On technical matters, the Technical Review Board can make a final decision. On matters of community governance, the Community Council can make a final decision. “* I have sat down tonight and seen yet again another post by yourself on the subject so it made me think about it some more. I have drawn up a table and worked out that of the 5 or 6 separate discussions on this topic it boils down to 6 people who are for your ACC, 8 people who are against your ACC and 6 people that were either neutral to your proposal or off topic with other issues. I would then like to point out that the 6 people that were FOR your proposed ACC have contributed 40 emails to the list on the topic. The people who were AGAINST your proposed ACC have contributed 10 emails in total. The people that were NEUTRAL/OFF TOPIC to your proposed ACC have sent in 14 emails. This is a total of 64 contributions from 20 different people. Please do not mistake a large number of emails to the list as a large groundswell of support, you personally have contributed 11 emails to this tally. As far as I can work out unless a lot more people come forward to support your idea it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction when you realise there is 337 people on this list ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Re-Approval). If you add to that the fact that as a list administrator I have seen 12 people unsubscribe since the topic started less than a week ago you will understand this current email. Unless there is a large number of people coming forward in the near future I don't think it's realistic to completely change how things are run when the way things are as we speak do not prevent anyone from organising activities beyond the scope of the aforementioned Code of Conduct. Keep up with the good work with regards to promoting Ubuntu within Brisbane but I think it's time to draw to a close the ongoing campaign of the ACC. Regards, Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:18 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote: This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am saddened that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of conduct to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot it out to stop folks challenging your authority. Cary, I've refrained from responding to much of the repetitions here. I expressed my view of the triple-tier council back when it was first brought up, and in private emails with Andrew. I've refrained from commenting during these list discussions to allow you all to discuss it to your heart's content because if I had responded, it'd have been with the same stance I expressed prior: the plan is defective by design. This has gone on for weeks now and you've not listened to any of the not-jared-or-me people who disagree with you at all, and nor has the discussion ceased. I've been refraining from emailing our reapproval application to the LoCo Council (as this involves CCing this list in) *purely* because of it. I've refrained because I really don't think the LoCo Council deserves to have their thread hijacked by it, and would likely cost us our approval status and make things quite hard for all of us. I will be sending the email later tonight regardless, as some weeks ago I renegotiated the deadline back to the 20th, and today is the 18th. Lots of luck in your dictatorship whoa behold anyone who challenges your authority. I guess I will be kicked off the list for this but I believe it had to be said. Cary Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote .. Good evening Andrew and the Ubuntu-AU list, Firstly I would like to say that I agree the Ubuntu-AU team could use a lot more people willing to help out as much as you have in the Brisbane area. I do however have some reservations about your ongoing tirade of emails about the ACC. I would again like to point out to all members the Ubuntu Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct With this in mind I would like to draw attention specifically to the section: “Please avoid flamewars, trolling, personal attacks, and repetitive arguments. On technical matters, the Technical Review Board can make a final decision. On matters of community governance, the Community Council can make a final decision. “ I have sat down tonight and seen yet again another post by yourself on the subject so it made me think about it some more. I have drawn up a table and worked out that of the 5 or 6 separate discussions on this topic it boils down to 6 people who are for your ACC, 8 people who are against your ACC and 6 people that were either neutral to your proposal or off topic with other issues. I would then like to point out that the 6 people that were FOR your proposed ACC have contributed 40 emails to the list on the topic. The people who were AGAINST your proposed ACC have contributed 10 emails in total. The people that were NEUTRAL/OFF TOPIC to your proposed ACC have sent in 14 emails. This is a total of 64 contributions from 20 different people. Please do not mistake a large number of emails to the list as a large groundswell of support, you personally have contributed 11 emails to this tally. As far as I can work out unless a lot more people come forward to support your idea it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction when you realise there is 337 people on this list (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Re-Approval). If you add to that the fact that as a list administrator I have seen 12 people unsubscribe since the topic started less than a week ago you will understand this current email. Unless there is a large number of people coming forward in the near future I don't think it's realistic to completely change how things are run when the way things are as we speak do not prevent anyone from organising activities beyond the scope of the aforementioned Code of Conduct. Keep up with the good work with regards to promoting Ubuntu within Brisbane but I think it's time to draw to a close the ongoing campaign of the ACC. Regards, Jared Norris -- Melissa Draper w: http://meldraweb.com http://geekosophical.net p: +61 4 0472 2736 -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Melissa Draper meli...@meldraweb.comwrote: On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:18 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote: This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am saddened that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of conduct to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot it out to stop folks challenging your authority. Cary, I've refrained from responding to much of the repetitions here. I expressed my view of the triple-tier council back when it was first brought up, and in private emails with Andrew. I refute this statement strongly, this is the fist time I have heard from Melissa on the subject. I will also not be engaging in a he says / she says argument. For the sake of this community I will NOT be making anymore statements about the process by which these discussions have taken place. Andrew. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
I've spoken to a a bunch of people through email last week this week, including a few people who contacted me off-list regarding a response I made RE: ACC. Most of them are so tired of banging their heads again the wall thy can't even be bothered voicing things anymore, they're just over it. A few of them were also intent on unsubscribing, which they have obviously now done. - So don't blame that on Andrew, they've left precisely _because_ of the lack of response, at lest the 4 I spoke to. They left because of the current structure. I could go on, but there's just no point anymore. I strongly hope hope some of Mellisa's hopelessly attached fanboys wake up and smell the coffee one day. As long as these people have any kind of control, without our votes, it's pointless calling it a community. There's nothing commune about a person + fanboys brick-walling people at every opportunity. I wash my hands of this list, and I know there's more following suit. Ciao. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Melissa Draper meli...@meldraweb.comwrote: On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:18 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote: This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am saddened that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of conduct to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot it out to stop folks challenging your authority. Cary, I've refrained from responding to much of the repetitions here. I expressed my view of the triple-tier council back when it was first brought up, and in private emails with Andrew. I've refrained from commenting during these list discussions to allow you all to discuss it to your heart's content because if I had responded, it'd have been with the same stance I expressed prior: the plan is defective by design. This has gone on for weeks now and you've not listened to any of the not-jared-or-me people who disagree with you at all, and nor has the discussion ceased. I've been refraining from emailing our reapproval application to the LoCo Council (as this involves CCing this list in) *purely* because of it. I've refrained because I really don't think the LoCo Council deserves to have their thread hijacked by it, and would likely cost us our approval status and make things quite hard for all of us. I will be sending the email later tonight regardless, as some weeks ago I renegotiated the deadline back to the 20th, and today is the 18th. Lots of luck in your dictatorship whoa behold anyone who challenges your authority. I guess I will be kicked off the list for this but I believe it had to be said. Cary Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote .. Good evening Andrew and the Ubuntu-AU list, Firstly I would like to say that I agree the Ubuntu-AU team could use a lot more people willing to help out as much as you have in the Brisbane area. I do however have some reservations about your ongoing tirade of emails about the ACC. I would again like to point out to all members the Ubuntu Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct With this in mind I would like to draw attention specifically to the section: “Please avoid flamewars, trolling, personal attacks, and repetitive arguments. On technical matters, the Technical Review Board can make a final decision. On matters of community governance, the Community Council can make a final decision. “ I have sat down tonight and seen yet again another post by yourself on the subject so it made me think about it some more. I have drawn up a table and worked out that of the 5 or 6 separate discussions on this topic it boils down to 6 people who are for your ACC, 8 people who are against your ACC and 6 people that were either neutral to your proposal or off topic with other issues. I would then like to point out that the 6 people that were FOR your proposed ACC have contributed 40 emails to the list on the topic. The people who were AGAINST your proposed ACC have contributed 10 emails in total. The people that were NEUTRAL/OFF TOPIC to your proposed ACC have sent in 14 emails. This is a total of 64 contributions from 20 different people. Please do not mistake a large number of emails to the list as a large groundswell of support, you personally have contributed 11 emails to this tally. As far as I can work out unless a lot more people come forward to support your idea it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction when you realise there is 337 people on this list (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Re-Approval). If you add to that the fact that as a list administrator I have seen 12 people unsubscribe since the topic started less than a week ago you will understand this current email. Unless there is a large number of people coming forward in the near future I don't think it's realistic to completely change how things are run when the way things
Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
Dave, I will defend my integrity. You have quoted a thread from March, in which there was a general discussion about Ubuntu-au Governance. This was the actual thread about the 'PROPOSAL' https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-April/005957.html Yes we are wasting our energy lets move on and 'GET OVER IT'. Andrew G. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Dave Hall dave.h...@skwashd.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 08:20 +1000, Andrew Gaydon wrote: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Melissa Draper meli...@meldraweb.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:18 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote: This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am saddened that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of conduct to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot it out to stop folks challenging your authority. Robust debate is one thing, personal attacks are quite another thing. I haven't seen the CoC used to stifle debate, but I have seen it used to remind people of their responsibilities when participating in the community. Cary, I've refrained from responding to much of the repetitions here. I expressed my view of the triple-tier council back when it was first brought up, and in private emails with Andrew. I refute this statement strongly, this is the fist time I have heard from Melissa on the subject. I will also not be engaging in a he says / she says argument. The archives show that Melissa replied to your suggestion for a tiered structure on the same day as you made it, back on 3 March. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-March/005756.html I think Jared has already demonstrated that there isn't a groundswell of support for change. Maybe there will be some other time, but now it is time those agitating for change accept the way the land lies. As discussed on the list already, there is a lot that can be done to promote ubuntu in the community. Let's focus our energies there, rather than on continuing to waste energy on this protracted debate. Cheers Dave -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
Hi everybody. Yes I am top posting. This is not in response to any particular comment or person. I make this post very reluctantly and have not contributed to the fire yet as it's all so draining and I really don't have the time for debates that I just don't have a strong enough opinion on. I instead just want to offer support for the Ubuntu-Au community no matter what the structure is. It is very hard for me to feel like I can do something with being so rural and not knowing anybody else on the list. My job is mostly sysadmin, desktop support and a bit of django development. I can be often be found in IRC as agentk. I'm located in Griffith, NSW and travel is a bit hard at the moment. I would love to attend a release party if there was one here in Griffith. I'm not an outgoing bold type person and find it difficult to think of myself as manning an Ubuntu stall or giving a overview of Ubuntu to teachers at a local school type thing. Yet I would try if asked. I'm quite happy to help out with webdev work or offering local support if needed. That is all. You may go back to the continual debate now. Regards, Karl On 19 April 2010 09:53, Dave Hall dave.h...@skwashd.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 08:20 +1000, Andrew Gaydon wrote: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Melissa Draper meli...@meldraweb.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:18 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote: This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am saddened that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of conduct to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot it out to stop folks challenging your authority. Robust debate is one thing, personal attacks are quite another thing. I haven't seen the CoC used to stifle debate, but I have seen it used to remind people of their responsibilities when participating in the community. Cary, I've refrained from responding to much of the repetitions here. I expressed my view of the triple-tier council back when it was first brought up, and in private emails with Andrew. I refute this statement strongly, this is the fist time I have heard from Melissa on the subject. I will also not be engaging in a he says / she says argument. The archives show that Melissa replied to your suggestion for a tiered structure on the same day as you made it, back on 3 March. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-March/005756.html I think Jared has already demonstrated that there isn't a groundswell of support for change. Maybe there will be some other time, but now it is time those agitating for change accept the way the land lies. As discussed on the list already, there is a lot that can be done to promote ubuntu in the community. Let's focus our energies there, rather than on continuing to waste energy on this protracted debate. Cheers Dave -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 09:30 +1000, Tony H.G Candito wrote: I've spoken to a a bunch of people through email last week this week, including a few people who contacted me off-list regarding a response I made RE: ACC. Most of them are so tired of banging their heads again the wall thy can't even be bothered voicing things anymore, they're just over it. A few of them were also intent on unsubscribing, which they have obviously now done. - So don't blame that on Andrew, they've left precisely _because_ of the lack of response, at lest the 4 I spoke to. They left because of the current structure. Maybe you could have encouraged them to speak up publicly on the list to support your position. If people choose not to stand up and be counted - and be accountable for their arguments, then their opinion can not be considered. I could go on, but there's just no point anymore. I strongly hope hope some of Mellisa's hopelessly attached fanboys wake up and smell the coffee one day. As long as these people have any kind of control, without our votes, it's pointless calling it a community. There's nothing commune about a person + fanboys brick-walling people at every opportunity. I disagree with Melissa on a lot of things. At the same time I don't think any structural change will have any real impact on the functioning of the LoCo. What the LoCo needs is people doing real work not blaming the structures for the lack of action. I have been involved in free software communities for a decade or so now. A long time ago I used to advocate that such groups should be truly democratic and that such an approach would solve all the problems. Over time I found this didn't work, generally because of 2 reasons, firstly someone of the people advocating democracy just wanted control but didn't want to earn it or the people who ended up being elected made the same mistakes their predecessors did. I am yet to see something which demonstrates how the current structure is clearly not working. A new structure will not compel people to fulfil your vision. Propose some type of action, but be willing to expect that you will have to put in 100% of the effort to make it happen, if others jump in and help great, but don't assume they will. I wash my hands of this list, and I know there's more following suit. Ciao. Watch the door on the way out. Cheers Dave -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate.
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 11:48 +1000, Andre Mangan wrote: Watch the door on the way out. You call that respectful, Dave? Seems like arrogance and insulting to me. Definitely not in keeping with the CoC. Where are the moderators? I thought it was quite appropriate in the circumstances. Shall we go through the list over the couple of weeks and yellow card everyone who has breached the CoC? I'll go for some low hanging fruit, Tony in the post I replied to Mellisa's hopelessly attached fanboys, Cary's only post in this thread Lots of luck in your dictatorship whoa behold anyone who challenges your authority, shall we continue? S/he who is innocent shall cast the first stone and all that. Cheers Dave -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
RE: ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 50, Issue 34
Hi Karl, Nice post. I myself have been rather busy and havent read any posts, so reading yours (the first in 2 weeks or more) saddened me a little as I hope the ubuntu community in aus doesn't die before it even lived. Looking at some of your comments I get the impression people are needed for manning a stand? - I could do that if its in sydney, Im in sydney and ive manned stands before, cebit to name one. Did one last week actually. presenting to schools? I could do that too, im teaching in 2 tafe colleges currently, have no problem showing off ubuntu to a group of people. Im holding the same stance as you, I'll sit back and let what happens happen. then when the air clears Im here to assist with what I can - hope I learn something on the way. I cant spare much time however, but definite times like man a stand for x hours is within my scope. Regards to all, Steve -Original Message- From: ubuntu-au-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-au-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of ubuntu-au-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Monday, 19 April 2010 14:49 To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 50, Issue 34 Send ubuntu-au mailing list submissions to ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ubuntu-au-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com You can reach the person managing the list at ubuntu-au-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of ubuntu-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate. (Karl Bowden) 2. Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate. (Dave Hall) 3. Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate. (Andre Mangan) 4. Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate. (Dave Hall) 5. Re: media centre build (Chris Debenham) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:20:28 +1000 From: Karl Bowden karlbow...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Ongoing Ubuntu-AU debate. To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: h2r84a6fe441004181720ma3692652v95ae3de57d754...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi everybody. Yes I am top posting. This is not in response to any particular comment or person. I make this post very reluctantly and have not contributed to the fire yet as it's all so draining and I really don't have the time for debates that I just don't have a strong enough opinion on. I instead just want to offer support for the Ubuntu-Au community no matter what the structure is. It is very hard for me to feel like I can do something with being so rural and not knowing anybody else on the list. My job is mostly sysadmin, desktop support and a bit of django development. I can be often be found in IRC as agentk. I'm located in Griffith, NSW and travel is a bit hard at the moment. I would love to attend a release party if there was one here in Griffith. I'm not an outgoing bold type person and find it difficult to think of myself as manning an Ubuntu stall or giving a overview of Ubuntu to teachers at a local school type thing. Yet I would try if asked. I'm quite happy to help out with webdev work or offering local support if needed. That is all. You may go back to the continual debate now. Regards, Karl On 19 April 2010 09:53, Dave Hall dave.h...@skwashd.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 08:20 +1000, Andrew Gaydon wrote: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Melissa Draper meli...@meldraweb.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:18 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote: This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am saddened that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of conduct to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot it out to stop folks challenging your authority. Robust debate is one thing, personal attacks are quite another thing. I haven't seen the CoC used to stifle debate, but I have seen it used to remind people of their responsibilities when participating in the community. Cary, I've refrained from responding to much of the repetitions here. I expressed my view of the triple-tier council back when it was first brought up, and in private emails with Andrew. I refute this statement strongly, this is the fist time I have heard from Melissa on the subject. I will also not be engaging in a he says / she says argument. The archives show that Melissa replied to your suggestion for a tiered structure on the same day as you made it, back on 3 March. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/2010-March/005756.html I think Jared has already demonstrated that there isn't a groundswell of support for change. Maybe there will be some other time, but now
Just checking to see if someone deleted my ubuntu-au account
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Installing Ubuntu on a new PC
I am about to buy a new PC with a blank HDD which is to be installed with Ubuntu. Bearing in mind that 10.04 is on the horizon how should I go about this? My existing working PC has 9.10 (fully upgraded of course) and its home directory is backed up on an external HDD. This PC will continue to be used unchanged in a different home location and in a secondary role and will be upgraded to 10.04 in due course of time. I prefer to load Ubuntu from a CD as my internet service plan is limited to 1 Gb. I see several ways of installing Ubuntu on the new PC: 1. Install 9.10 (hopefully in current upgrade state) now from a CD that I will have to order and get from Ubuntu-AU. Load in the home directory files from the external HDD. Load all the programs currently used by me via Synaptic Package Manager. Upgrade to 10.04 when it is released for the working computer. By the way when is that to be? 2. Wait for 10.04 and install on the new PC when a CD becomes available through Ubuntu-AU. Load in the home directory files from the back up on the external HDD (will this work in the new version of Ubuntu?). Load all the programs currently used by me via Synaptic Package Manager. 3. Have the local computer shop copy the contents of my existing PC's HDD (9.10 + installed programs and files) on to the new PC's HDD. Upgrade to 10.04 when it is released for the working computer. I would like the process to be seamless and maybe one of more of the above ways may have problems. Your advice/experience would be appreciated. Geoffrey -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Installing Ubuntu on a new PC
Lucid Lynx will be released in 12 days. I suggest that you wait until then. Andre On 17 April 2010 13:55, Geoffrey gcomb...@bigpond.com wrote: I am about to buy a new PC with a blank HDD which is to be installed with Ubuntu. Bearing in mind that 10.04 is on the horizon how should I go about this? My existing working PC has 9.10 (fully upgraded of course) and its home directory is backed up on an external HDD. This PC will continue to be used unchanged in a different home location and in a secondary role and will be upgraded to 10.04 in due course of time. I prefer to load Ubuntu from a CD as my internet service plan is limited to 1 Gb. I see several ways of installing Ubuntu on the new PC: 1. Install 9.10 (hopefully in current upgrade state) now from a CD that I will have to order and get from Ubuntu-AU. Load in the home directory files from the external HDD. Load all the programs currently used by me via Synaptic Package Manager. Upgrade to 10.04 when it is released for the working computer. By the way when is that to be? 2. Wait for 10.04 and install on the new PC when a CD becomes available through Ubuntu-AU. Load in the home directory files from the back up on the external HDD (will this work in the new version of Ubuntu?). Load all the programs currently used by me via Synaptic Package Manager. 3. Have the local computer shop copy the contents of my existing PC's HDD (9.10 + installed programs and files) on to the new PC's HDD. Upgrade to 10.04 when it is released for the working computer. I would like the process to be seamless and maybe one of more of the above ways may have problems. Your advice/experience would be appreciated. Geoffrey -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Installing Ubuntu on a new PC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17/04/10 13:55, Geoffrey wrote: I am about to buy a new PC with a blank HDD which is to be installed with Ubuntu. Bearing in mind that 10.04 is on the horizon how should I go about this? My existing working PC has 9.10 (fully upgraded of course) and its home directory is backed up on an external HDD. This PC will continue to be used unchanged in a different home location and in a secondary role and will be upgraded to 10.04 in due course of time. I prefer to load Ubuntu from a CD as my internet service plan is limited to 1 Gb. I see several ways of installing Ubuntu on the new PC: 1. Install 9.10 (hopefully in current upgrade state) now from a CD that I will have to order and get from Ubuntu-AU. Load in the home directory files from the external HDD. Load all the programs currently used by me via Synaptic Package Manager. Upgrade to 10.04 when it is released for the working computer. By the way when is that to be? 2. Wait for 10.04 and install on the new PC when a CD becomes available through Ubuntu-AU. Load in the home directory files from the back up on the external HDD (will this work in the new version of Ubuntu?). Load all the programs currently used by me via Synaptic Package Manager. 3. Have the local computer shop copy the contents of my existing PC's HDD (9.10 + installed programs and files) on to the new PC's HDD. Upgrade to 10.04 when it is released for the working computer. I would like the process to be seamless and maybe one of more of the above ways may have problems. Your advice/experience would be appreciated. Geoffrey Hi Geoffrey, I believe that option 2 would be your best plan of attack. You can load the files from your backup copy of your old home directory. That's basically what I do as I've never really had much luck with upgrading. I prefer to do a fresh install for a new release copy across my backed up data. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReinstallingSamePackages will help you to load the same apps in 10.04 that you currently have installed on your 9.10 computer. Basically it's as simple as: dpkg --get-selections installed_packages.txt will output all the packages you have installed currently in 9.10 to a text file named installed_packages.txt. To reinstall all the packages in that list in 10.04, you just have to run: dpkg --selections installed_packages.txt and then run: sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade As for your question regarding when 10.04 will be released, the following website will give you all the details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule Hope this answers your questions :) Mitch Towner http://mitchtowner.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLyXG5AAoJENegJk0fbKNMsMYIAMVgK5Xp4M10tq35c0s+aF+4 sJOzTAhux3DaauJEBdm5xdwXkD/a+qgOFx/SW6AH0ZxJnJWtY5ydRnhp0Vfj8IhN PW1HfU9llgErOaW6eWrQwzmbobzuYcxGzHPHrX7HDv7e1my8FIF1nUGHgusa/uAx 6JJauIaYna8nh9SGODYrNOI/TKHOrNfeMBvlDH2z45L2ykQR9ErgUAN0o9PnRZE2 WtWh7AYymeadBhZfPvdZhpfHgC6d8YHsww2Js0kZQUDbClZqXPfogZprTu212HEV 38CIr8TP3NMOA8DtcMQqHolYK/H1uQMqPl8U4kk8R8urTBMCUzADFLPNBKz5IbQ= =Vf5p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Just checking to see if someone deleted my ubuntu-au account
Was concerned that the list server may have died, I haven't seen the list quite so quiet in a while. Cary Andre Mangan andreman...@gmail.com wrote .. Melissa was invited to respond in AndrewG's post to the list. I think that everyone is waiting for this response. Be patient, she may be busy.Andre On 17 April 2010 02:46, Cary Bielenberg c...@bielenberg.id.au wrote: testing 1 2 3 4! -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Installing Ubuntu on a new PC
On 17/04/10 18:30, Mitch Towner wrote: ... Hi Geoffrey, I believe that option 2 would be your best plan of attack. You can load the files from your backup copy of your old home directory. That's basically what I do as I've never really had much luck with upgrading. I prefer to do a fresh install for a new release copy across my backed up data. Hi Geoffrey, Please be aware that Mitch's experience with upgrades is certainly not a normal experience. Ubuntu (and Debian, from which it originated) is designed to be easily upgraded. My laptop has been upgraded from hardy - intrepid (not very long spent there) - jaunty - karmic and i have been very happy with the success of upgrades. (This may not change which option you choose, but please don't assume that upgrades are bad - they aren't.) Also, be aware that the first month after a stable release will probably result in quite a number of packages being updated to fix important bugs. If your ISP plan has an off-peak time, you may want to leave your PC on overnight and schedule updates to occur then. Paul attachment: paul.vcf-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Just checking to see if someone deleted my ubuntu-au account
Maybe everyone is out-there acting and not talking. I initially thought th change to the Google list may have affected your account but it seems it hasn't cause you can still post. Cheers. Michael (k3lt01) On Apr 17, 8:14 pm, Cary Bielenberg c...@bielenberg.id.au wrote: Was concerned that the list server may have died, I haven't seen the list quite so quiet in a while. Cary -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 50, Issue 22
Hi All The ubuntu-au community is not lacking structure - it's lacking motivated people. Get out there - do stuff to promote Ubuntu in Australia. If you do enough, you'll become known within the Ubuntu-au community, and the leadership or power (or whatever you want to call it) that you worry about will be shared with you. This model is fundamentally Undemocratic. While I agree that it is better to be an active member then a complaining member I must shoot down the notion of power being dispersed as a whim. The Community should be appointing it's own members through an elected process. Not having the leadership appoint people on a whim! I ask that if the current model is appointment based that it be refuted and regular elections called. The group should embody the spirit of Ubuntu! Cheers Colin McDermott On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:08 AM, ubuntu-au-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote: Send ubuntu-au mailing list submissions to ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ubuntu-au-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com You can reach the person managing the list at ubuntu-au-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of ubuntu-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: less talk more action (Michael) 2. Re: Any Adelaide people on this list? (Callan Jefferson Davies) 3. Re: less talk more action (Ross Willman) 4. Re: less talk more action (Scott Evans) 5. Re: less talk more action (Andrew Gaydon) 6. Re: less talk more action (Tony H.G Candito) 7. Re: less talk more action (karmic) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 05:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael keltoi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: less talk more action To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: 55e85435-5230-4684-8610-25c35b96c...@35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll get shot down for this I know but I am getting to a stage where I am beyond caring. It is to difficult to do things within this group. I'm not in a situation where I can just do the things that are being suggested throughout the various threads. Instead I know where my talents are and would love to know where I can apply them. Asking simple questions never gets a simple answer, instead as has been pointed out, we are told to go forth and just do whatever. Sorry but for some of us that will not work. The porn thing was used as an example and nothing more. What I found aggravating was it was so hard to get an answer. Let's be serious here the word Google was in the previous sentence yet for some unknown reason people went charging off to something else. As for transparency, I don't care anymore, I don't have the time nor the energy to deal with what is in essence a group under tight control. All that has really been asked for is a chance for the community to have a vote on what is happening. I have nothing further to say on this matter unless I am brought back into it. Ciao for now. Michael (k3lt01) -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:44:56 +0930 From: Callan Jefferson Davies cal...@cruzn.net.au Subject: Re: Any Adelaide people on this list? To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: 1271164496.1875.5.ca...@brutis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi. I'm new to this list. Just wondering if there are other members in or near Adelaide, interested in meetups? Also, any people at Adelaide University? Another Adelaide user over here . and yes, interested in meetups / release parties etc. Comments on that ... last time I went to a 'release party' there seemed to be a few people there that all knew each other, but no acknowledgement of a newcomer (me) arriving. I had a beer on my own and left. Perhaps my own fault for not approaching the group... buy hey, I'll still go to another release party if there is one! Cheers Callan -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:15:35 +1000 From: Ross Willman rwill...@gmail.com Subject: Re: less talk more action To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: s2iea77b2071004130615s75039733vcf34609680d5b...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I challenge anyone who has a problem with the current situation to clearly define what non-bureaucratic action they would take for ubuntu-au under a new structure, then answer why they aren't doing that now. I honestly don't understand how the current setup has stopped anyone from promoting Ubuntu in Australia. The ubuntu-au community is not lacking structure - it's lacking motivated people. Get out there - do stuff to promote Ubuntu in Australia. If you do enough
Objectionable material on the Ubuntu-AU Google group site and email list
Good morning/afternoon/evening fellow Ubuntu-AU'ers, Thank you to some persistent effort from list members and list administrators alike we have finally nailed down the cause for the undesirable material on the Google group member list and mailing list. We have now been able to take steps to ensure the objectionable material has been removed from current lists and we are now monitoring the Google group mailing list to ensure there is no ongoing spam problems with this list as well. If you feel your membership has been removed from the list mistakenly or if you find anything you think shouldn't be associated with Ubuntu-AU please feel free to email the mailing list address (ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com) so that we can follow up further as required. Given the recent thread activity I would also like to take this opportunity to give a general reminder of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct which is what we all must all follow. It can be viewed at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct and includes a section devoted to mailing lists and web forums. Regards, Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 50, Issue 6
Hi Colin, I don't know about what the Australian community thinks of this. I would tread very carefully when installing codecs like 'Mint' does, is a 'grey' legal area from my research. One of the reasons that Ubuntu sells fluendo at their store. What does everybody else think ? Andew G. On Apr 8, 9:23 am, colin mcdermott colinjamesmcderm...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to offer something that has codecs built in for the new user and I hear mint is a good choice for this. it is based on ubuntu Yes I found that when supplying used computers that Linux mint was necessary as Ubuntu just caused too much pain (users just want it all to work and work now!). From personal experience only end users need that extra bit of polish on their systems. Cheers Colin McDermott On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:00 PM, ubuntu-au-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote: Send ubuntu-au mailing list submissions to ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ubuntu-au-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com You can reach the person managing the list at ubuntu-au-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of ubuntu-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. linux mint (peter baker) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:41:07 +1000 From: peter baker jellyw...@gmail.com Subject: linux mint To: ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: h2la24e338c1004061641pc9792d6bt269ed4fd5b132...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 hey peeps I have started offering linux mint viawww.ubuntu.net.au I wanted to offer something that has codecs built in for the new user and I hear mint is a good choice for this. it is based on ubuntu I have also added a feedback form to the site peter -- www.peter.id.au -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/attachments/20100407/0b28... -- -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au End of ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 50, Issue 6 -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 50, Issue 6
On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:53:24 +1000 Scott Evans sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.org wrote: Not sure just how the Mint peoples really get around the patent thing, unless they are purely waiting to be prosecuted and resolve it from that! (I'd doubt it) I guess at some point there is may be monetary consideration given to a distros philosophy. But perhaps there is also a divergence of the way Ubuntu, and Debian before them, and some other distros, interpret the GPL AND its philosophical origin. Regardless, there does seem to be a lot of waiting ;) -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 50, Issue 6
I wanted to offer something that has codecs built in for the new user and I hear mint is a good choice for this. it is based on ubuntu Yes I found that when supplying used computers that Linux mint was necessary as Ubuntu just caused too much pain (users just want it all to work and work now!). From personal experience only end users need that extra bit of polish on their systems. Cheers Colin McDermott On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:00 PM, ubuntu-au-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote: Send ubuntu-au mailing list submissions to ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ubuntu-au-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com You can reach the person managing the list at ubuntu-au-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of ubuntu-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. linux mint (peter baker) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:41:07 +1000 From: peter baker jellyw...@gmail.com Subject: linux mint To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: h2la24e338c1004061641pc9792d6bt269ed4fd5b132...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 hey peeps I have started offering linux mint via www.ubuntu.net.au I wanted to offer something that has codecs built in for the new user and I hear mint is a good choice for this. it is based on ubuntu I have also added a feedback form to the site peter -- www.peter.id.au -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-au/attachments/20100407/0b28a9cf/attachment-0001.htm -- -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au End of ubuntu-au Digest, Vol 50, Issue 6 -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu and e-tax
Thanks Paul for advising that e-tax works on 10.04 (beta). I'll get ready to try it out when 10.04 is officially reeleased. That may well be in time for when I compile e-tax 2010 (about September). Geoff -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu and e-tax
Hi Geoff, (and others) I've just had a go at installing e-tax 2009 (etax2009_1.msi) under Ubuntu 9.10 and wine (wine-1.0.1-0ubuntu8), and unfortunately it doesn't work.. For those that might be interested.. - Opening the msi goes through the installation process OK, but then running etax gives a E-tax 2009 No data loaded window, with a pretty 'Australian Government etax 2009' popup/splash window, but no (obvious) way to progress.. other than closing the main window, Doing this then produces the error.. Exception EExternalException in module etax2009.exe at 6973F409. External exception C025. Running the 'eTax Help' pops up a window with: Access violation at address in module 'etaxHelp.exe'. Write of address I'm struggling to avoid making any 'propriety' vs 'FLOSS' commentary. Anyway.. I'm having another go with Ubuntu 10.04 which uses wine1.2. Watch this space. Cheers, Paul On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Geoffrey gcomb...@bigpond.com wrote: Thanks Dave (Wine) and Angus (VirtualBox) for the advice. I've been told about both but have yet to study them. It would be nice to be able to run a couple of other Windows programs that I have on Ubuntu. Meanwhile I'm hoping that the ATO live up to their promise and write e-tax for Linux sometime in the near future. Geoff -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu and e-tax
Greetings, Looks like etax2009 works under Ubuntu 10.04(beta) :-) (with wine1.2).. Installation instructions: - Install Ubuntu 10.04 - 'apt-get install wine' - Download etax2009_1.msi from Tax Dept., and put it on the desktop (this seems to be the easiest). http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.asp?doc=/content/32234.htmpc=001/002/014/014/002mnu=mfp=st=cy=1 - Make the file executable.. chmod 775 etax2009_1.msi - Click on the icon.. and run it. I don't have my 2009 file handy to test futher.. (on a Windows Box) but it runs. Cheers, Paul On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Paul Schulz p...@mawsonlakes.org wrote: Hi Geoff, (and others) I've just had a go at installing e-tax 2009 (etax2009_1.msi) under Ubuntu 9.10 and wine (wine-1.0.1-0ubuntu8), and unfortunately it doesn't work.. For those that might be interested.. - Opening the msi goes through the installation process OK, but then running etax gives a E-tax 2009 No data loaded window, with a pretty 'Australian Government etax 2009' popup/splash window, but no (obvious) way to progress.. other than closing the main window, Doing this then produces the error.. Exception EExternalException in module etax2009.exe at 6973F409. External exception C025. Running the 'eTax Help' pops up a window with: Access violation at address in module 'etaxHelp.exe'. Write of address I'm struggling to avoid making any 'propriety' vs 'FLOSS' commentary. Anyway.. I'm having another go with Ubuntu 10.04 which uses wine1.2. Watch this space. Cheers, Paul On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Geoffrey gcomb...@bigpond.com wrote: Thanks Dave (Wine) and Angus (VirtualBox) for the advice. I've been told about both but have yet to study them. It would be nice to be able to run a couple of other Windows programs that I have on Ubuntu. Meanwhile I'm hoping that the ATO live up to their promise and write e-tax for Linux sometime in the near future. Geoff -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu and e-tax (AnGus King)
The other thing you might look at (if you have the space) is VirtualBox. I've been running it sporadically but successfully under my Ubuntu system for some time. At 1/04/2010 07:00 PM, you wrote: This month is the 1st anniversary of my installation of Linux Ubuntu. I am extremely happy with the Ubuntu and use it for almost everything. However there are several Windows vital programs that I must use for which I have XP on a separate HDD. One of these programs is e-tax. This is what the ATO has to say about OSs: E-tax is not compatible with Linux or Apple Macintosh computers. However, e-tax has been tested successfully on an Apple computer running OS X v10.4.11 with Virtual PC 7 software emulating a recommended Windows operating system. Some Linux users have reported success using 'Wine', but we have not tested this. Wine is a translation layer (a program loader) capable of running Windows applications on Linux and other POSIX compatible operating systems. We are committed to providing you with easier, cheaper and more personalised service. Part of this initiative is a commitment to the continuous improvement of e-tax. We will continue investigating ways to make e-tax available on different computer platforms. I am looking to the future and wonder if any Australian users of Ubuntu have been successful using 'Wine'. Note that I always roll-over information from a previous year's e-tax. Geoffrey Combes Kind regards AnGus King Switched on Solar! -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Ubuntu and e-tax
This month is the 1st anniversary of my installation of Linux Ubuntu. I am extremely happy with the Ubuntu and use it for almost everything. However there are several Windows vital programs that I must use for which I have XP on a separate HDD. One of these programs is e-tax. This is what the ATO has to say about OSs: E-tax is not compatible with Linux or Apple Macintosh computers. However, e-tax has been tested successfully on an Apple computer running OS X v10.4.11 with Virtual PC 7 software emulating a recommended Windows operating system. Some Linux users have reported success using 'Wine', but we have not tested this. Wine is a translation layer (a program loader) capable of running Windows applications on Linux and other POSIX compatible operating systems. We are committed to providing you with easier, cheaper and more personalised service. Part of this initiative is a commitment to the continuous improvement of e-tax. We will continue investigating ways to make e-tax available on different computer platforms. I am looking to the future and wonder if any Australian users of Ubuntu have been successful using 'Wine'. Note that I always roll-over information from a previous year's e-tax. Geoffrey Combes -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu and e-tax
Hi Geoff, Last year, I got e-Tax working on my netbook using Wine. I certainly had success in doing all the sections but I didn't try two vital things: 1) That pre-roll thing. 2) Submitting the actual claim. I ended up going to an accountant. There was some work I had to do to get Wine working fine for e-Tax, just adding some extra windows libraries I think. There was a nice script that helped me install them that I found somewhere. So to sum it up, I was sort-of successful with using Wine :) Cheers, Dave On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Geoffrey gcomb...@bigpond.com wrote: This month is the 1st anniversary of my installation of Linux Ubuntu. I am extremely happy with the Ubuntu and use it for almost everything. However there are several Windows vital programs that I must use for which I have XP on a separate HDD. One of these programs is e-tax. This is what the ATO has to say about OSs: E-tax is not compatible with Linux or Apple Macintosh computers. However, e-tax has been tested successfully on an Apple computer running OS X v10.4.11 with Virtual PC 7 software emulating a recommended Windows operating system. Some Linux users have reported success using 'Wine', but we have not tested this. Wine is a translation layer (a program loader) capable of running Windows applications on Linux and other POSIX compatible operating systems. We are committed to providing you with easier, cheaper and more personalised service. Part of this initiative is a commitment to the continuous improvement of e-tax. We will continue investigating ways to make e-tax available on different computer platforms. I am looking to the future and wonder if any Australian users of Ubuntu have been successful using 'Wine'. Note that I always roll-over information from a previous year's e-tax. Geoffrey Combes -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Linux and Ubuntu on Laptops Notebooks
Hi Dale, Thanks for your input, much appreciated; however the point that I am making is that we must think along the lines of someone plugging in a device and it will work, like with searching for a printer. As long as this function is not complete we will not see much laptop/notebook users convert to Linux (Ubuntu). Using the terminal should only be for a Linux expert or a keen user that wants to learn and experiment. Regards, Harry Degenaar From: Dale quail.li...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:39 AM To: ha...@ipunix.com Subject: Re: Linux and Ubuntu on Laptops Notebooks On 29 March 2010 14:17, ha...@ipunix.com wrote: ... Currently one item most important to the laptop/notebook user is the use of a Next G wireless broadband modem. Telstra, Virgin and all other providers that I know off give no support for Linux at all. There is support for wireless broadband modems in some of the implementations of Linux such as Ubuntu, however to get a device to actually work is a hit and miss exercise. I would like to know on any of you that have experience in getting a Next G wireless broadband modem to work on Ubuntu. Hi Harry, I have had no problems getting getting 3G to work under Linux with wvdial or pppd. I don't use network-manager (aka network-mangler) as it is just to problematic. Also the WICD[1] network manager has support planned for PPP, PPPoE, and Mobile Broadband for version 2.0 which will be released in the late future. If you not mind using terminal, read on here is basically my pppd dial demand setup on firewall/gateway/router # cat /etc/ppp/peers/internode /dev/ttyUSB1 460800 crtscts modem noauth defaultroute noipdefault noccp nobsdcomp novj user password connect /usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/ppp/peers/chat-internode idle 300 persist demand logfd 6 # cat /etc/ppp/peers/chat-internode ABORT BUSY ABORT ERROR ABORT 'NO CARRIER' REPORT CONNECT TIMEOUT 10 ATZ OK AT+CGDCONT=1,ip,internode OK ATE1V1D2C1S0=0+IFC=2,2 OK AT+IPR=115200 OK ATE1 TIMEOUT 60 ATD*99***1# CONNECT '\d\c' And as root all you need to do is issue the commands for example, pon internode - connects to provider (internets) poff - disconnects for internets (provider) And for a wvdial setup you can refer to this post[1] and there a gui that can be used with wvdial called gnome-ppp. Regards Dale [1] http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/webblog/archives/136 -- [WWW] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/ The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them - Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Linux and Ubuntu on Laptops Notebooks
Well said Harry, my members in the retirement village just want things to work, the terminal would terrify most of them. I have waited until I was confident of back-up for Ubuntu, which we now have, and will be introducing it when LTS version 10.04 arrives. Regards, Tony On 30 March 2010 18:42, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: Hi Dale, Thanks for your input, much appreciated; however the point that I am making is that we must think along the lines of someone plugging in a device and it will work, like with searching for a printer. As long as this function is not complete we will not see much laptop/notebook users convert to Linux (Ubuntu). Using the terminal should only be for a Linux expert or a keen user that wants to learn and experiment. Regards, Harry Degenaar -- *From*: Dale quail.li...@gmail.com *Sent*: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:39 AM *To*: ha...@ipunix.com *Subject*: Re: Linux and Ubuntu on Laptops Notebooks On 29 March 2010 14:17, ha...@ipunix.com wrote: ... Currently one item most important to the laptop/notebook user is the use of a Next G wireless broadband modem. Telstra, Virgin and all other providers that I know off give no support for Linux at all. There is support for wireless broadband modems in some of the implementations of Linux such as Ubuntu, however to get a device to actually work is a hit and miss exercise. I would like to know on any of you that have experience in getting a Next G wireless broadband modem to work on Ubuntu. Hi Harry, I have had no problems getting getting 3G to work under Linux with wvdial or pppd. I don't use network-manager (aka network-mangler) as it is just to problematic. Also the WICD[1] network manager has support planned for PPP, PPPoE, and Mobile Broadband for version 2.0 which will be released in the late future. If you not mind using terminal, read on here is basically my pppd dial demand setup on firewall/gateway/router # cat /etc/ppp/peers/internode /dev/ttyUSB1 460800 crtscts modem noauth defaultroute noipdefault noccp nobsdcomp novj user password connect /usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/ppp/peers/chat-internode idle 300 persist demand logfd 6 # cat /etc/ppp/peers/chat-internode ABORT BUSY ABORT ERROR ABORT 'NO CARRIER' REPORT CONNECT TIMEOUT 10 ATZ OK AT+CGDCONT=1,ip,internode OK ATE1V1D2C1S0=0+IFC=2,2 OK AT+IPR=115200 OK ATE1 TIMEOUT 60 ATD*99***1# CONNECT '\d\c' And as root all you need to do is issue the commands for example, pon internode - connects to provider (internets) poff - disconnects for internets (provider) And for a wvdial setup you can refer to this post[1] and there a gui that can be used with wvdial called gnome-ppp. Regards Dale [1] http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/webblog/archives/136 -- [WWW] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/ The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them - Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Linux and Ubuntu on Laptops Notebooks
On 29 March 2010 14:17, ha...@ipunix.com ha...@ipunix.com wrote: ... Currently one item most important to the laptop/notebook user is the use of a Next G wireless broadband modem. Telstra, Virgin and all other providers that I know off give no support for Linux at all. There is support for wireless broadband modems in some of the implementations of Linux such as Ubuntu, however to get a device to actually work is a hit and miss exercise. I would like to know on any of you that have experience in getting a Next G wireless broadband modem to work on Ubuntu. Hi Harry, I have had no problems getting getting 3G to work under Linux with wvdial or pppd. I don't use network-manager (aka network-mangler) as it is just to problematic. Also the WICD[1] network manager has support planned for PPP, PPPoE, and Mobile Broadband for version 2.0 which will be released in the late future. If you not mind using terminal, read on here is basically my pppd dial demand setup on firewall/gateway/router # cat /etc/ppp/peers/internode /dev/ttyUSB1 460800 crtscts modem noauth defaultroute noipdefault noccp nobsdcomp novj user password connect /usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/ppp/peers/chat-internode idle 300 persist demand logfd 6 # cat /etc/ppp/peers/chat-internode ABORT BUSY ABORT ERROR ABORT 'NO CARRIER' REPORT CONNECT TIMEOUT 10 ATZ OK AT+CGDCONT=1,ip,internode OK ATE1V1D2C1S0=0+IFC=2,2 OK AT+IPR=115200 OK ATE1 TIMEOUT 60 ATD*99***1# CONNECT '\d\c' And as root all you need to do is issue the commands for example, pon internode - connects to provider (internets) poff - disconnects for internets (provider) And for a wvdial setup you can refer to this post[1] and there a gui that can be used with wvdial called gnome-ppp. Regards Dale [1] http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/webblog/archives/136 -- [WWW] http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/ The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them - Albert Einstein -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Ubuntu 9.10 laptop
Hi I'm off on a holiday soon overseas and I don't know the first thing about setting up a Dialup internet can some kind person help me out Thanks -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Ubuntu 9.10 laptop
Hi Chris, On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 22:11 +, Chris Taylor wrote: Hi I'm off on a holiday soon overseas and I don't know the first thing about setting up a Dialup internet can some kind person help me out The modem in your laptop is most likely a winmodem, and either need nonfree software or not work at all. Dialup is really annoying to use when overseas, and really expensive if using iPass. Where are you off to? In Europe and North America wifi is everywhere. Get the right deal and wifi can be a cost effective way to to stay in touch while away. 3G roaming fees are insane too. Cheers Dave -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
