Biting the Apple
I saw RevMedia here: http://www.apple.com/downloads/ today. Congratulations, RunRev! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Turning Blue
It is very odd; but the icon for Studio 4 that sits in my Dock (on Mac) is red. On launch that icon changes blue! I intend to hack the app so the icon remains red as next to Safari, Google-Earth, Thunderbird, TextWrangler, Quicktime, Audacity and Open Office it blends in to the point of almost total camouflage. The yellow icon for revMedia 4 goes through no such transmogrifications, I am glad to say. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Sanskrit Typos
After a lot of useful feedback, where, amongst other things, I had to completely rethink my view on if . . . then subroutines within case . . . break ones; I have just uploaded versions that work . . . better than previous versions: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/DEVAWRITER.exe.zip http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/DEVAWRITER.zip sincerely, Richmond Mathewson ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Resizeable Fields
René Micout wrote: Hello Richmond, I have modified a little your script, otherwise that don't work... local LEFTT,TOPP,autorisation on mouseDown put true into autorisation put the top of fld acre into TOPP put the left of fld acre into LEFTT grab me end mouseDown on mouseUp put false into autorisation end mouseUp on mouseMove if autorisation is true then here your script end if end mouseMove René Merci beaucoup! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Other opinions in other places
I don't know who is reading the following: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/HyperCard/messages?o=1 apart from Mark Schonewille and Jacqueline Landman Gay, who has any clout in the RunRev department. There is a fairly pointed criticism levelled at the folks at RunRev compared with Supercard; which, from my own point of view, I can see seems to be at least partly true. Worth a read; and it needs to be shoved under the noses of the RunRev folks if they are unaware of it. --- Things seem to break down into 3 main areas of complaint: 1. Supercard is more stable and reliable than RunRev and, as 'Diabolus causidicus' I would have to point out that RunRev is multiplatform while Supercard is not. 2. RunRev makes real or implied (this is an old 'bone' as implied probably lies rather more in the mind of the reader than the writer) promises which they fail to keep. This is where I tend to agree having recently fallen foul of Unicode capabilities and embedded fonts in revlets. 3. The RunRev website is not very sexy in terms of pulling in non-RunRev folks. I, honestly think that the RunRev site is a whole lot better than the Supercard one, which looks a bit 'nursery-schoolish' to me. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: arabic script
Monte Goulding wrote: Hi I've had a request from a client to investigate doing an arabic version of his app. The rev docs say right to left scripts aren't supported. Has anyone worked around this? Cheers Well, how about starting with setting the fontLanguage to Arabic ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Urgent, how to force eject a CD from MacBook
Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello, need urgent help. I was burning a CD in my Mac Book but canceled the job while running. Now the CD can't be ejected anymore, it turns, but neither with the eject button, nore from within liquid app it can be ejected. I have booted twice, while booting, the CD turns but can not be ejected Is there any emergency hardware trick to eject a not recognizable CD? Thanks for any quick help Tiemo Try, while restarting, holding down COMMAND + E. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Learning about GLOBALS late in life . . .
tried this: on mouseDown global LEFTT, TOPP put the top of fld acre into TOPP put the left of fld acre into LEFTT grab me end mouseDown on mouseUp put the bottom of fld acre into DOWP put the right of fld acre into RITE put RITE - LEFTT into WIDD put DOWP - TOPP into HITE end mouseUp and the third line within the 'on mouseUp' threw a bluey ?? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learning about GLOBALS late in life . . .
Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Monday, November 16, 2009, 9:00:46 AM, Colin wrote: top. So this would work for example: global t ...but do you really want to do that? This would also work... local LEFTT, TOPP Thanks for that one; especially going local. What a great Use-list; almost always somebody willing to help extremely quickly . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Learning about GLOBALS late in life . . .
Colin Holgate wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: global t ...but do you really want to do that? Yes, definitely, if it's part of an answer to a question about making globals work. Now, Richmond may well want to learn about locals too, but I was just answering the question he asked! Touchy! Actually, Colin, your advice about globals was more correct insofar as it answered my question, but Mark's was pedagogically more useful as I had 'forgotten' about locals [ the truth of it is that ever since I discovered Hypercard and escaped from the joys of variable declaration (think BASIC, FORTRAN, PASCAL) I was unaware (or unwilling to think about the fact) that variables could be declared in xTalk languages. Today, mucking around with something that had to stay there between 2 handlers a little bird at the back of my head started tweeting 'global' - it didn't tweet 'local'] Big Thanks to both of you. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Resizeable Fields
Sivakatirswami wrote: Before I go re-inventing the wheel, has anyone invented user re-sizeable fields? I suppose sticky palette with the Select and Browse tools could also work , but not as cool as some mousedown/drag event... if so, can you post the code here? (I'm watching with interest all the open source discussions...we really, really need a single respository somewhere!) skts I, finally, did it today, after a lot of fiddling around: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/GF2.rev.zip Not terribly attractive: have a poke around in the, clunky, code. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Dear Inselfan, I cannot help noticing you are using Windows; Maybe the problem does not lie with RunRev 4, but maybe there is a background process (possibly some sort of virus) that is triggered when you launch RunRev, that is hogging the memory. I am running RunRev 4 on a Pentium III Compaq, 256 MB RAM, Windows XP as a test machine (I normally work with Macintosh) and everything runs very smoothly; the only problem being if I decide to run another program at the same time - which, considering the comparatively small amount of RAM and the fact that my XP box is headless (i.e. no monitor) and 'bottomless' (no keyboard and mouse) and I access it using the Microsoft Remote Desktop Connection Client from my G4 Mac is unsurprising. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Inselfan wrote: Holá Richmond, Well, running same Stacks with RR-2.9 is OK so far. I don't think, that my PC's are infected. Not with a Virus or something else. It is only RR 4.0 which blocks. On all Computers, but thanks for trying to help. I would love to tell the World, that RunRev 4.0 is the best ever and that everything works as expected, but I think, it's a long way there... kind regards Horst Dear Inselfan, I cannot help noticing you are using Windows; Maybe the problem does not lie with RunRev 4, but maybe there is a background process (possibly some sort of virus) that is triggered when you launch RunRev, that is hogging the memory. I cannot help feeling that there is something funny about your computer; I have RunRev 4 (Studio) running extremely well on the following machines: Pentium 3: Windows XP Hewlett-Packard Pentium 4: Ubuntu 8.04.3 Mac G4: Mac OS 10.5.8 And revMedia 4 running on all of those and: iMac G3: Mac OS 10.4.11 MacMini PPC: Mac OS 10.4.11 I have about 12 children running revMedia on a variety of computers running from an old P2 with Windows 98 to a fancy laptop running Vista all having a lovely time with revMedia 4. One boy running Mint Linux with revMedia. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] EFL worksheet
Just uploaded an EFL worksheet here: http://mathewson.110mb.com/default.html and here: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html (with many thanks to Andre Garzia) click on the button STUFF FOR TEACHERS. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Richard Gaskin wrote: Mark Schonewille wrote: Who says that tousand people experience great performance?! I, for one, don't. I haven't seen your RQCC report on this. What's the #? After reading the messages here, in the forum, and other venues, yours and Inselfan's posts are the first I've come across during the long preview cycle which report that there's something wrong with v4's performance. Now that we have a second data point reflecting similar results we can modify the analysis of the problem, but the basic principle remains the same: identify the differences between the working and non-working states. I am pretty sure that Inselfan did something that should just work in Revolution without problems and figuring out the source of the problem is a process that one should not have to go through with a development environment like Revolution in the first place! I wholeheartedly agree, There is a school of thought that RunRev have tried to expand the capabilities of Revolution rather too rapidly, without taking care of some 'nuts-and-bolts' glitches that have been around for some time. There is a risk, as one runs for the finish line, with one's eye on the prize, that one doesn't see the banana skin on the track. and share the desire for an ideal world in which everything always works perfectly. But in our imperfect world all processes have a failure rate, and the software development process is no exception. If the good folks at RunRev are aware of this issue I doubt they consider it acceptable, and are likely working on it I write this. But if they're not yet aware of it they may require some assistance to be able to replicate it. That's where we come in: when we see a problem, we try arrive at a recipe for reproducing it and report it to the RQCC. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Wake up Revolution
Bill Marriott wrote: snip Richmond wrote: There is a school of thought that RunRev have tried to expand the capabilities of Revolution rather too rapidly, without taking care of some 'nuts-and-bolts' glitches that have been around for some time. Perhaps. But as someone who wrote just over three years ago that Quality is Job #1, I have to disagree with this school. We've come a long, long way. RunRev spent more than a year and a half working on the free-for-almost-everyone Rev 2.9, which addressed hundreds of those issues, re-architected tons of internals, and brought the Linux edition up to speed with the other platforms. The result was a measurable, marked improvement in quality, and a more robust platform that has enabled much-needed nuts-and-bolts enhancements since then: the new tabbed script editor (3.0); the data grid and behaviors (3.5); and the Web plugin (4.0). All of which have been delivered on a predictable schedule with more far more external testing -- both in terms of number of users and length of testing -- than prior versions. At the same time, we have halved the retail price of the product and even introduced the free and highly capable revMedia edition while growing in profitability during a time of global economic uncertainty. We still have a ways to go. I realize that we often don't report status in a timely way in the RQCC, and not all the reports we want to have been fixed. There will always be issues with software; the key is choosing the right battles. Overall, we must be doing something right. Thank you, Bill, for this extremely comprehensive and well thought-out reply! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Snapshot problems
Howard Bornstein wrote: I am trying to do a similar thing. In my case I have some content in a group that is larger than the group rectangle, so it scrolls within the group. However, I'd like to be able to take a snapshot of the entire group contents, even the parts that extend beyond the rectangle (and can only be seen by scrolling). I tried your example import snapshot from grp MyCompositeThang but it only created a picture of the group with its scroll bars, not the entire internal contents of the group. Is there an easy way to get this? As I add things to the group, I'd like to be able to create a complete image of the entire group contents, even the parts that are not visible within the group rectangle. I doubt it. You could expand the group for the snapshot and resize it back to its standard size after the snapshot has been taken. The only snag is that if your expanded group is bigger than your card the snapshot won't all be visible. I would favour EXPORT snapshot, which will send the snapshot off to your default folder and not mask anything. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revWeb - link to download the official image?
Heather Nagey wrote: Try here: http://www.runrev.com/company/press-room/media-resources/ Should be lots of shiny updated images for you all to use. Jolly nice; Thanks Heather. HOWEVER; it might be a good idea to bundle the icons and so forth with the distributions. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revWeb - link to download the official image?
Devin Asay wrote: On Nov 12, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Robert Man wrote: Thanks, but! The revWeb logo is not included!! (all media-ressources images can be taken easiliy from webpages, however the revWeb logo is somehow included in the back image, less easy..) The revWeb logo is important since it should be used as an image-link for people who do not have the plugin, who have to be somehow reassured... It would be even better to have a specific noplugin revWeb image, as SMALL as possible, perhaps a reasonnable sized banner with just these 2 words and pro look to convey a feeling of confidence... (like a security certificate?) You should get this image when the plugin isn't installed: http://www.runrev.com/revweb/images/revweb-noplugin.gif This is the img src that is referenced in the html file that gets created when you save your stack for the web. Oddly enough when I go to the URL referenced above I get nothing but a big, blank, browser window. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RevBlack.png
On of the things I thought was really attractive was the black REV icon nesting inside a package-box in the installer DMGs for Mac. I have 'liberated the black image here: http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/revBlack.png ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution Media 4.x and Revolution Player 3.x
Jan Schenkel wrote: With revMedia 4.0 being free, why would we still need a Player? The whole idea of giving revMedia away for free, is to let everyone share in the fun - running stacks, deploying them in webpages and letting others take them apart without the ability to password-protect your scripts. Don't panic, revStudio and revEnterprise can still password-protect scripts and these stacks will work just fine in revMedia. But revMedia is about sharing with the rest of the world, and getting more people to try out the revPlatform for themselves. I can think of one reason why one might want a Player: Imagine a cash-strapped teacher designing a stack with revMedia; they might think it a bit too much to expect students to go through the whole jingbang of registering for revMedia, downloading it and installing it a bit of a clunky way to deliver a quick-n-dirty educational media-bite. this might also be applied in situations where there are a number of students with computers who do not have internet access (this, oddly enough, is always overlooked when these arguments come up). A Player/Runner + stack will have less of a footprint than revMedia + stack As an advocate of equipping the under-privileged in this world with old computers I believe that a Player/Runner is essential; especially one that will run stacks on forms of Linux. --- To personalise this I would like to point out that, while I own Rev Studio 4 it does not work on my Pentium 3s running Ubuntu 5.10; nor does revMedia 4. I have yet to find out how standalones made with 4 'do' on these computers; It may well be that they are just too RAM-hungry to function; a Player/Runner might solve this problem. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Slobber!
Jan Schenkel wrote: Well, the SuperCard crew has it 'easier', as they only need to support MacOSX and don't have to bother with offering equivalent functionality on Windows or Linux. PDF export is available on Mac, by the way - see the 'printerOutput' entry in the dictionary. But yes, it is Mac-only. Of course, for cross-platform PDF export, you can always give Quartam PDF Library a try ;-) As for better field formatting, I'm sure it's on the radar for the RunRev team. Rotation, skewing etc might very well be on their graphics shortlist, as part of complete transformation support. Don't despair, I never despair; but I do have a rich fantasy life that, largely, revolves around expanded capabilities for RunRev. file the enhancement requests in the quality control center and get votes for it - the best way to ensure the RunRev HQ is aware of your needs and wishes: http://quality.runrev.com Jan Schenkel = Quartam Reports PDF Library for Revolution http://www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: From: Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com Subject: Slobber! To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 2:53 PM Skewing Imported graphics can now be skewed for rotation and/or a 3D perspective, all under script control. Output direct to PDF Cards or portions of cards can now be output direct to pdf format files. Paragraph Level Formatting Attributes like alignment, indenting, line spacing, borders, and even space above and below paragraphs can now be applied to each paragraph separately instead of just to an entire field. These new flexible formatting options allow you to use whatever layout is appropriate for each paragraph (just like in a word processor). http://supercard.us/about/index.html -- Come on RunRev! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: One day to go . . .
Peter W A Wood wrote: Richmond Ideally I would like, eventually, to have a successful, web-based client so that end-users can do their Sanskrit without having to clutter up their hard disks (or their employers) with a standalone. Is a stand-alone really that much more clutter than the plug-in and the revlet? Surely, they're about the same size, just stored in different places on the users' hard disks. A very good point. The only disadvantage about the latter is that the end-user actually has to download the standalone and decide where to put it and generally spend more time on meta things. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Pasting formatted text into Rev fields not possible on OS X
Klaus Major wrote: Hi all, FYI: I just reported this very nasty bug: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8428 Hope this gets fixed until this evening* :-D *Or whenever Rev 4 is officially released. Hey; you outdid me this time . . . :) I hope they are having fun in San Francisco: I am really enjoying myself, chewing my beard here in Bulgaria. When I think of the money we all (well, not the odd, sensible German) stumped up to go to Edinburgh it just makes me happy when I think of it being spent on air tickets out to California and associated junketings rather than R and D . . . :) Remember, ever so softly, mutter to yourself: Elastic-sided GANTT charts and you will discover inner peace! --- NOW: I just ran up a styled text document in Ye Olde Appleworks on my trusty G4 (colours, italics, funny fonts, different sizes) and copy-pasted it across to a scrollable text-field in Studio dp-4 and: 1. Colours were preserved, 2. Italics were preserved, 3. Different fonts were preserved, Only the sizes got lost. Am I reading you right, or do you mean pasting between text fields in RunRev? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Sanskrit Typewriter . . .
After the fiasco/farce of the revlet release of my DEVAWRITER, you can now find out how farcical (or not) the standalones are: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/DEVAWRITER.exe.zip http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/DEVAWRITER.zip these standalones contain font detection routines that will direct you to the relevant place to download the Sanskrit font that is required for them to work; although it is quicker to do it here: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/sanskrit2003.zip sincerely, Richmond Mathewson ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: some HD fun
Colin Holgate wrote: In answering a question on a Director list about whether Rev could handle HD video, I just made this test: http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/rev/hdplayer/ Here are a couple of alternate first lines for the field: set the filename of player 1 to http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/terminatorsalvation/terminatorsalvation-4minclip_720p.mov; set the filename of player 1 to http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/harrypotterandthehalfbloodprince/harrypotterhalfbloodprince-clip_1080p.mov; Well, it gave my G4 an upset stomach (Safari froze); whether that is because I'm running a G4 with 'only' 2GB RAM, or whether it is something to do with the revlet, I don't know. Presumably, by the tone of your message it can be done (at least on your machine). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: some HD fun
Colin Holgate wrote: On Nov 11, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: set the filename of player 1 to http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/terminatorsalvation/terminatorsalvation-4minclip_720p.mov; set the filename of player 1 to http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/harrypotterandthehalfbloodprince/harrypotterhalfbloodprince-clip_1080p.mov; The trailers are high data rate HD ones, so they need a fast connection. You might try clicking on the links above, to see if there's any hope of it working for you. _ Well, if it is some comfort, I cannot get these directly through the browser, so the problem probably does not lie with your revlet. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 4.0.0-gm-1 is now available through Rev Update Checker
charles61 wrote: I just checked for the new Rev 4.0 update. It is available through the Rev Update Checker. I downloaded and installed it. I am really excited about this updated version. The only question I have is can you make reliable standalones with this version or should we continue to Rev 3.5? Really; Wow! So, having a number: Dear Richmond, Thank you for attending RunRevLive.09. You are entitled as part of your ticket to receive a key to unlock revStudio 4.0 when it is released. Here is a key for you, it will unlock the Studio 4.0 dp4 release as well as the full shipping edition when that is available: W . . . C I went to the update checker, and was told to relicence my copy of Studio. I did that, at which point no upgrade takes place. Which presumably means that is a duff number . . . :) Nothing New! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 4.0.0-gm-1 is now available through Rev Update Checker
charles61 wrote: I just checked for the new Rev 4.0 update. It is available through the Rev Update Checker. I downloaded and installed it. I am really excited about this updated version. The only question I have is can you make reliable standalones with this version or should we continue to Rev 3.5? Hey, wait a minute; Happy revMedia upgraded without a hitch. But this follows a pattern: the upgrade for revMedia dp-4 to dp-5 worked, while there was, apparently, no Studio dp-5. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Upgrade Fun . . .
Here I am on a G4 Mac with revMedia 4 dp-5 and revStudio 4 dp-4 trying to upgrade: 1. The inbuilt upgrade system for Studio asked for a relicence; on inputting the licence supplied by RunRev nothing happened. So, now downloading from: https://secure.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/ and will try to install that file with the number I was issued with after the conference. 2. The inbuilt upgrade system for Media appeared to work: downloaded vast amounts of stuff, quit; AND, a text file opened called tmp0.log filled with gobbledygook; xÌ-- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Upgrade Fun
The first time I posted this message almost all of it got lost somewhere: Here I am on a G4 Mac with revMedia 4 dp-5 and revStudio 4 dp-4 trying to upgrade: 1. The inbuilt upgrade system for Studio asked for a relicence; on inputting the licence supplied by RunRev nothing happened. So, now downloading from: https://secure.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/ and will try to install that file with the number I was issued with after the conference. 2. The inbuilt upgrade system for Media appeared to work: downloaded vast amounts of stuff, quit; AND, a text file opened called tmp0.log filled with gobbledygook; xÌ-- --- So; to summarise what I previously posted: The upgrade system both for Windows and Macintosh dp-4 is WONKY; so upgrade by downloading from the URL referenced above and do a completely fresh install. The upgrade system for Linux and Macintosh revMedia (dp-3 and dp-5 respectively) DON'T work. There appears to be NO final revMedia for Linux. Of course this is a bit of a bother as none of your preferences are preserved. The RunRev team need to be congratulated on the GM for Linux; absolutely lovely to have a Linux version on a par with those on Win and Mac. sincerely, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 4.0.0-gm-1 is now available through Rev Update Checker
Dom wrote: I will again ask about a 4.x Player? is there a Player for running the stacks created with the new RevMedia? and for the stacks created with Studio/Enterprise? Not that I can see: https://secure.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/revolution-player/ The 'bon mot' / phrase of the moment in those parts seems to be: Coming Soon And, they sure have been a long time a-coming . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 4.0.0-gm-1 is now available through Rev Update Checker
Richard Miller wrote: I'm not having any success installing RevMedia 4.0 under XP and I've never had a problem installing any Rev program before. Tried numerous times. Tried restarting. I get part way through, then a Rev error code comes up (which I have sent to the Rev engineers). Anyone else had success under XP? Thanks. Richard Miller ___ Yup; it's a pig's breakfast! The inbuilt upgrade system just doesn't seem to work. SO: get version 4 from here: https://secure.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/ and do a full install. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Stack Runner
I have just built, an admittedly simplistic, stack with revMedia 4 and had it running with something I found lurking on one of my hard drives called: Revolution Player 2.7 - 1 (engine 3.0.0 build 750) not very helpful, I know; but I suspect this means: Revolution Player 3.0, which is available for Windows and Macintosh here: https://secure.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 4.0.0-gm-1 is now available through Rev Update Checker
Colin Holgate wrote: On Nov 11, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: SO: get version 4 from here: https://secure.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/full-list/ and do a full install. The revMedia for Mac there fails to install. That's odd; it worked perfectly OK for me. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stack Runner
Dom wrote: Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Revolution Player 2.7 - 1 (engine 3.0.0 build 750) it is precisely the version I have on my disk... Well, presumably it will run any stacks built with revMedia 4 that don't leverage anything introduced into the engine since version 3.0. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Linux Icons
For some odd reason the Linux versions of RunRev are only supplied with Windows icon files (and the old icon at that) which are unusable (at least on Debian derivatives). I have had to convert icon files from inside Mac App packages into PNG images for my own use; so I have uploaded them to: http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/RRpngs.zip this file contains a Yellow, Red and Blue 'modern' png image. for anybody who needs 'proper' icons for any of the Linux versions of RunRev. [If the good folks at RunRev don't like my doing this, I will be more than happy to remove them forthwith if they can contact me off-list: presumably at that point they would make good the arrangements for Linux icons.] Love, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Linux Icons
Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Thank you. You might add a note to bz #8278 about this. Please excuse my ignorance, but what is bz #8278 ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Slobber!
Skewing Imported graphics can now be skewed for rotation and/or a 3D perspective, all under script control. Output direct to PDF Cards or portions of cards can now be output direct to pdf format files. Paragraph Level Formatting Attributes like alignment, indenting, line spacing, borders, and even space above and below paragraphs can now be applied to each paragraph separately instead of just to an entire field. These new flexible formatting options allow you to use whatever layout is appropriate for each paragraph (just like in a word processor). http://supercard.us/about/index.html -- Come on RunRev! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
One day to go . . .
Well; speaking as somebody who is fairly cheesed-off from finding that the non-ability of Unicode fonts to work properly with revlets has effectively damaged his proposed web-release completely [ watch this space for a downloadable standalone shortly ] I wonder what will mysteriously have been removed this time. I for one have learnt a valuable lesson from recent events and will try to remember to emulate them: If you have a bug delete that capability completely instead of making an effort to sort it out. I really wonder . . . ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: One day to go . . .
Mark Schonewille wrote: Richmond, Although, like you, I often have a hard time seeing bugs not being fixed or observing bugs being solved with more bugs as a result, I am a little surprised by your complaint about unicode fonts. I just did a test with an Arabic text file and I can tell you that it works no worse than it does in a regular standalone. At this point, I'm optimistic about doing a unicode project for the web in Arabic. -- Well; so far my experience has been rather negative. I will post the URL for the standalone of my program here shortly. Ideally I would like, eventually, to have a successful, web-based client so that end-users can do their Sanskrit without having to clutter up their hard disks (or their employers) with a standalone. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Sanskrit Typewriter RC1
Be there or be square . . . :) http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/test.html Please try and break it and throw me any criticism and suggestions for improvement. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: size restricted for on-rev hosted revlets
Dunno; just uploaded a 2.5 MB revlet to on-rev: seems OK. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Dialogue boxes in Green?
William de Smet very kindly pointed out that the dialogue boxes of my Sanskrit Typewriter are green: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/test.html So I set the stackColor to empty and went through colorizing the individual cards (*X*!), and uploaded RC 1.001 to now avail. I also reran revFontLoad to embed the Sanskrit2003 font . . . Help with dialogue boxes in revlets would be appreciated - if no joy, will have to roll my own, and as no palettes are permitted they will have to be full-screen - Yuck. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Sanskrit Typewriter RC1
runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote: Hi Richmond, tried it here under windows with Firefox and IE8. - Characters, which are shown directly after pressing the a key on the main page are displayed correctly. - But pressing a character , e.g. the first one of line 2 ( from above), opens a new keyboard. But pressing this character gives me just a square. This happens with all characters, which should be created through this kind of sub-keyboard. Sorry, i do not know how to explain better in english. Regards, Matthias Thanks Matthias; Sanskrit2003.ttf is a non-standard Unicode font that uses the Personal Use Area of the Basic Multilingual Plane. The basic glyphs (i.e. in the first keyboard ARE standard). I have just uploaded Rc 1.001 and have tried to use revFontLoad to embed the font . . . ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revFont: probably missing something.
Can anybody tell me how () I make sure the revFont.bundle and the revFont.dll are rolled into a revlet? whether that is possible? and how it will help me? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
8 days to go ?
Gosh I hope so,as ,presumably, the Enterprise dp-5 contained something on top of dp-4; as a Studio chap that passed me by. Ubuntu always have a jazzy countdown 'thingy' on their website; but, Hey, they don't have elastic-sided GANTT charts. I am positively slobbering (what a horrible image) with (as, per, the Rocky Horror Picture Show) anti . . .ci . . . pation; although, sorry to disappoint you folks who depend on this, I will not be donning my fishnets and doing the Tim Curry to celebrate. [although, totally OT, Tim Curry did go to my school, as well as many other people with creepy tendencies.] I am, also, looking forward to my box of conference DVDs - I wonder when they will materialise? Some of the lectures (especially Ben Beaumont's ones) would be lovely to show to some of the kids who are fiddling around with RevMedia at hoe trying to make games. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 8 days to go ?
stephen barncard wrote: 16 hours of video is a PIA Really, I didn't know Pakistani Airways were involved in the DVD production . . . :) [err, sorry, just couldn't resist that one.] to edit render, duplicate and ship, if you've never done that before. Yes, I have done that sort of thing; at one rather 'tight' period in my life I was converting Scottish wedding VHS tapes into DVDs; and dealing with daft requests from wedding guests who didn't want too much of their wedding breakfast drunken antics preserved for posterity. Once you have seen 5 drunken yobboes in kilts you have seen them all . . . :) It's a lot of work. Last year the DVDs were delayed for a long time, many times I assume due to presenters re-doing their live presentations for whatever reasons. That sounds pretty deadly. Those re-recreations were pretty bad; stiff, and boring. A major attractor for me is the 'live' presentation, with the personality of the presenter coming through. Frankly, if I never recieve the DVDs it is not the end of the world; I am much more keen on getting my sweaty paws on the final build of RunRev 4. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 8 days to go ?
J. Landman Gay wrote: Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 11:13:21 AM, you wrote: Once you have seen 5 drunken yobboes in kilts you have seen them all Not true. Definitely not true. I saw more than that in the Halfway House a couple of months ago... It wasn't an issue at RevLive. There was only one guy in a kilt there. ;) It wasn't the yobbo in the kilt that made the loudest noise, was it madam? I must be crazy; in my upcoming revlet release of my Sanskrit typewriter Muzz Landman Gay is only one of 3 RunRev developers mentioned in my acknowledgements . . . mind you, in mildly abusive terms . . . :) Hope to have the RC1 'UP' by Friday night, at which point I will post the URL here. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Off-Line revlets?
Maybe another of my goofy questions; not sure. Is it possible for an end-user to 'salvage' a revlet from a browser cache and thereby continue using it, effectively as a free-standing program, when not connected to the internet? AND; If this is, at least theoretically possible, is there a way to prevent it? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AVG antivirus version 9 flags Revolution.exe as a Virus
Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi all, AVG antivirus version 9, flags the archive: Revolution.exe (version 2.8.1) as a Virus named: Downloader.Swizzor This is a false positive, but stil i have not found a page to report this to AVG. If you know where to report this anomaly, please, send them a message about this error. Thanks in advance. Alejandro Ugly! That reminds me of the time when any posting of mine to the use-list was flagged as Virulent; but, I digress . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Off-Line revlets?
Colin Holgate wrote: You can reasonably easily get the revlet file, and save the html, and run those locally. Renaming the revlet to be rev doesn't appear to give you a good stack, for what that's worth. I am aware that renaming the revlet doesn't result in a stack as the build process pays put to that. However, after one h*ll of a lot of work I am about to deploy a web-based 'thing' which will be entirely FREE. Now,call me naive, call me 'Richmond' [in some quarters these are regarded as virtual synonyms . . . :) ], but I hope to pick up revenue by marketing both: 1. A standalone at a modest price (say $10) that has the same capabilities as the web-based 'thing'. and, at a later date, 2. A 'Premium' program (with expanded capabilities) for slightly more (say$100). I hope that the web-based 'thing' will act as a 'ramp' and pursuade a certain number of users to pay for either #1 or #2. Now, obviously, if the revlett is saveable, #1 is down the kibosh. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How do I check which field has the focus on / is active?
William de Smet wrote: @ Jan, Klaus and Sarah: the dentist pulled my tooth (bummer) but your answer solved my little 'problem'. Must have been the tootache :-) Thanks! Greetings, William You lucky chap; some of us have almost no teeth left to pull out! -- I wonder why this: if the traversalOn of fld f5 is true then --send a message somewhere-- end if doesn't work? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] WOFF fonts
Just downloaded a beta version of Firefox and came across this: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/10/woff/ Supposedly (?!?!) they are smaller (i.e. less lag time for download) and rather easier to track to their origins. I wonder about whether these will work with RunRev and revlets? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Goofy Tip #58
Somebody told me, off-list that the 'blob' produced by Option-8 on a Mac would show up as a Japanese Yen sign on a machine running Windows [this may be an abstruse joke with something to do with Bill Gates] So, I made a stack with a field containing the Option-8 blob on my Mac; then 'pumped' it across to my P4 Ubuntu and my headless P3 Windows XP and got: 1. A boring square on Ubuntu and 2. A thick vertical line on Windows XP so I am definitely going to stop using the 'blob' [pity that, really, I rather like it] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Goofy Tip #59
Put this in a card script: on openCard set the title of stack XYZ to the short name of this card end openCard where XYZ is the name of your stack, to have the name of the card appear in the title bar of the stack. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Goofy Tip #58
Jim Ault wrote: This depends on the font selected. Not all Mac fonts have this bullet symbol, just as not all Windows fonts have the yen symbol. Look for the bullet symbols in other fonts (small, large, square, etc ) and then use numtochar() to produce the one that is closest to your goal. On the Mac, you will notice that the bullet is a different size in many of the fonts. Thank you very much for your advice; however, I am developing something that will run cross-platform both as a free-standing program and as a revlet. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Goofy Tip #58
Shao Sean wrote: Use Unicode? http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2022/index.htm ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution And presume that everybody has a unicode font on their system that actually contains the full compliment of glyphs . . . a bit risky in my experience; especially as I was using the blob as a part of a window title. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revlet Woes - Substacks Don't Open
capellan wrote: Richmond, visit this page (A simple paint stack) and explain us if you apply use the same method with your stacks: http://revmedia.runrev.com/revWeb-samples/sketch/ Alejandro Yum! The Tools palette and the drawing canvas are two stacks, each presented within its own layer I have downloaded the source and will crack it open tomorrow as have classes all today: this certainly looks like a way forward. My main grumble is that I have a keyboard layout on my main stack which should be masked repeatedly by a large number of substacks offering further keyboard layouts. I don't know whether your 2 stacks, each in their own layer, can be set o overlap each other. Anyway; I do suddenly feel somewhat less belligerent . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revEnterprise dp-5 / revMedia beta / revWeb beta
Richard Miller wrote: Hi Jan, Yes, this was what I originally expected. But it's not working as of yet during runtime... only in the development environment. Will this be implemented shortly (prior to launch) so that it works the same during runtime? What if the two stacks are sized differently? What will happen then? It would be nice to have answers to these now so that developers like myself can make adjustments based on fairly large items like this. Quite! I've discovered some other significant (for me) change to the runtime environment in the past few days. A traditional cascading menu (built with the menu builder) which worked fine yesterday during runtime... no longer works today. The menu (which I dragged to the center of the stack so it functions as a button with cascading selections), depresses OK. The list of hierarchical selections show up OK. But any attempt to actually make a selection fails. Obviously, they are making substantial changes to the runtime environment on a daily basis. This makes development very difficult. I can work around much of this and focus on other items, but it's the not knowing what we'll end up with by 11/11 sleepless nights that makes all of this stressful, acidosis if not impossible. road rage I actually don't think they know either. It seems to be very much a day-by-day situation. I am thinking about a 2 weeks holiday from programming. On the other hand, I fully appreciate the enormity of the challenge they face. So do I, but I don't particularly like coming across 'surprises' - I honestly think their PR needs a spot of overhauling. Richard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
backgroundBehavior ?
Well, one is never too old to learn new (old?) tricks . . . :) So, I created a main stack and made a group on the first card (called gBOX) consisting of a button and a field; then popped this into the Message Box: set the backgroundBehavior of group gBOX to true hoping that as I made new cards my group gBOX would automagically appear on them: but it didn't . . . Please advise . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: backgroundBehavior ?
Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Friday, October 30, 2009, 11:31:08 AM, you wrote: Please advise . . . :) It works here in 3.5 and 4.0dp5. Not much advice, I know. Very queer indeed. I have just reopened the stack and now it functions. I can only conclude it had to be saved, purged from the memory and reloaded for things to start functioning. Your Not much advice was a sufficient kick in the pants for me to reinvestigate, and for that I thank you . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] anti-Yahoo ???
I signed up for the RevMedia dp-5 release last night via my Yahoo e-mail; by this morning I had no (presumably automated) reply. I signed up using my Gmail account and got a reply in about 15 minutes. As usual, I'm obviously missing something. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revlet Woes - Substacks Don't Open
I don't know about other people, but I have been working one h*ll of a lot on a highly complicated program that depended on palettes working in web-browsers: I suppose I shall just have to throw away about 500 hours of work that was based on the fact that I trusted RunRev when they said that palettes would work in the next release of the revWeb plugin. Now I thought RunRev specialised in keeping good relations with their installed base of dedicated users . . . As somebody else remarked to me offline: Now, Richmond, I understand what you mean by 'cheesed-off'. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revEnterprise dp-5 / revMedia beta / revWeb beta
Kevin Miller wrote: Hi everyone, snip A new revWeb plugin for Windows and OS X (Linux coming soon) is now available from: http://revweb.runrev.com/ Major changes: Plugin has been re-engineered. This is the third and final (for 4.0) version of the architecture. This version resolves most of the short-comings of the previous 'alpha' version: - plugins can now run in multiple browsers simultaneously - orphaned processes will not be left around after plugin instances quit - if a plugin causes the engine to crash/exit, the browser will not be affected - system dialogs and answer alerts now layer correctly above the browser - popup menus from option and buttons etc. now function correctly - separate 'WebKit' version of the plugin for running under Safari (therefore 64-bit Safari on Snow Leopard works with the plugin) - the plugin works in IE Protected Mode - non-Roman languages can now be typed into fields [those requiring IMEs (Chinese, Japanese etc.) do not yet work on Mac OS X] the third and final (for 4.0) version so palettised stacks in revlets are totally *...@%ed in 4.0 ! This is ODD as I was led to understand that the problem with palettised stack loading behind the browser window was one of the top-priority problems. Having attended the RunRev conference in Edinburgh I returned to Bulgaria confident in the knowledge that I could go ahead with my development of a program/revlet that uses some 50-ish palettised substacks as at the release of 4.0 (about 14 days from now) all would be well. Beyond that one problem my program worked perfectly as a revlet: now it is totally useless and can only be developed into a fully-fledged standalone. I had intended to release my 'Sanskrit Typewriter' on a Freemium model, whereby the web-based version was FREE, and the standalone version, with more features, would be for money; the former attracting folk to buy the latter. That whole business model is now down the tubes; as is a lot of my confidence in RunRev's promises, pronouncements and so forth. One wonders why there has been so much hype about the revWeb 'thing' when, as development progresses it seems to lose features rather than gain them. Obviously I am (as my English grandmother used to say) green as a cabbage looking. I cannot believe I am the only programmer who has got him/herself in a stew about this. [Well, I suppose, even if nothing else, many users of this list will learn some happy idioms, similes amd metaphors that are not included in standard EFL courses . . . :) ] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revEnterprise dp-5 / revMedia beta / revWeb beta
Andre Garzia wrote: Richmond, you can instantiate the palettes using an embed tag for each palette, then you can show or hide them with javascript. it is a hack, but it works now. Well, that is obviously what I will have to do, although it doesn't make me any happier; especially as I know absolutely no javascript. Presumably by embed tag you are referring to HTML ??? On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin Miller wrote: Hi everyone, snip A new revWeb plugin for Windows and OS X (Linux coming soon) is now available from: http://revweb.runrev.com/ Major changes: Plugin has been re-engineered. This is the third and final (for 4.0) version of the architecture. This version resolves most of the short-comings of the previous 'alpha' version: - plugins can now run in multiple browsers simultaneously - orphaned processes will not be left around after plugin instances quit - if a plugin causes the engine to crash/exit, the browser will not be affected - system dialogs and answer alerts now layer correctly above the browser - popup menus from option and buttons etc. now function correctly - separate 'WebKit' version of the plugin for running under Safari (therefore 64-bit Safari on Snow Leopard works with the plugin) - the plugin works in IE Protected Mode - non-Roman languages can now be typed into fields [those requiring IMEs (Chinese, Japanese etc.) do not yet work on Mac OS X] the third and final (for 4.0) version so palettised stacks in revlets are totally *...@%ed in 4.0 ! This is ODD as I was led to understand that the problem with palettised stack loading behind the browser window was one of the top-priority problems. Having attended the RunRev conference in Edinburgh I returned to Bulgaria confident in the knowledge that I could go ahead with my development of a program/revlet that uses some 50-ish palettised substacks as at the release of 4.0 (about 14 days from now) all would be well. Beyond that one problem my program worked perfectly as a revlet: now it is totally useless and can only be developed into a fully-fledged standalone. I had intended to release my 'Sanskrit Typewriter' on a Freemium model, whereby the web-based version was FREE, and the standalone version, with more features, would be for money; the former attracting folk to buy the latter. That whole business model is now down the tubes; as is a lot of my confidence in RunRev's promises, pronouncements and so forth. One wonders why there has been so much hype about the revWeb 'thing' when, as development progresses it seems to lose features rather than gain them. Obviously I am (as my English grandmother used to say) green as a cabbage looking. I cannot believe I am the only programmer who has got him/herself in a stew about this. [Well, I suppose, even if nothing else, many users of this list will learn some happy idioms, similes amd metaphors that are not included in standard EFL courses . . . :) ] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revEnterprise dp-5 / revMedia beta / revWeb beta
Thomas McGrath III wrote: Having survived SuperCard's web plugin and 'Windows' version, I still am very optimistic. We already have something much more than the SC plugin and with a path to further features and possibilities. I understood this to be 'final' but with many updates after that. 2 cents Well, I am fantasizing about the RunRev team getting as cheesed-off as I am by my negative flack and releasing a version where palettes finction perfectly as a way to get me to shut-up . . .:) Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgr...@comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Oct 29, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: I cannot believe I am the only programmer who has got him/herself in a stew about this. [Well, I suppose, even if nothing else, many users of this list will learn some happy idioms, similes amd metaphors that are not included in standard EFL courses . . . :) ] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution Studio 4.0.0-dp-5
François Chaplais wrote: Le 28 oct. 2009 à 22:59, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : This IS available through 'Check for Updates' even thought Kevin only referred to Enterprise; although whether there is a Linux build of B4 yet I don't know. did you manage to actually do the update? I get the no such file error How fascinating: I just tried to update my Studio 4 dp-4 (Mac) again [working on the theory that God likes a trier . . . :) ] and was informed that there are no updates available. So, from the people who don't tell us very much I have deduced that there is probably NOT going to be a studio dp-5 made available. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revEnterprise dp-5 / revMedia beta / revWeb beta
Whacko! And a Linux version. Thanks a lot! Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revEnterprise dp-5 / revMedia beta / revWeb beta
Will there be a revStudio dp-5 ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution Studio 4.0.0-dp-5
This IS available through 'Check for Updates' even thought Kevin only referred to Enterprise; although whether there is a Linux build of B4 yet I don't know. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
revlet woes
I got all excited about the new revWeb plugin, so I installed it on my PPC Mac and built myself a Q-and-D stack with one substack. NOW; the previous version of the revWeb plugin brought palettised substacks up behind the browser window. A bit of a problem. I see that the new revWeb has solved this problem: Palettised substacks DON'T OPEN at all. --- Checked with Safari 4 and Firefox 3.5.3. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution Studio 4.0.0-dp-5
Richmond Mathewson wrote: This IS available through 'Check for Updates' even thought Kevin only referred to Enterprise; although whether there is a Linux build of B4 yet I don't know. Ugh: answering my own posting. SO: Studio 4 dp-4 downloaded an update interface for dp-5 and then said it wasn't available (having initially detected that it was). Egg all over my face . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution Studio 4.0.0-dp-5
François Chaplais wrote: Le 28 oct. 2009 à 22:59, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : This IS available through 'Check for Updates' even thought Kevin only referred to Enterprise; although whether there is a Linux build of B4 yet I don't know. did you manage to actually do the update? I get the no such file error See my posting directly after your message. I feel somebody has been teasing me . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New direction for Stacks and Code Samples
Cheapjacks might be interested in 110mb.com; the 'price' of this FREE web-hosting solution is that it won't tolerate revlets and will only tolerate stacks if they are zipped. Still, it is FREE. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Goofy Tip #57
Why '57'? Well here's a clue: http://www.geocities.com/stl_owen/heinz.html Anyway . . . Suppose you see somebody else's stack which features a really groovy backgroundColor but is not one with an obvious name such as blue. Then you can just do this: on mouseUp set the backgroundColor of fld fXXX to the backgroundColor of card cZZZ end mouseUp and then save your field on a stack of your own for future reference. - Not quite as 'goofy' as one might think as I have been worrying for a while about how to temporarily change the backgroundColor of a field while I export a screenshot. In the latest Beta of my Sanskrit Typewriter I have set the text entry field's backgroundColor to a sort of mushroomy grey to save end-user's eyes; but also want an option to export screenshots of the text field with a white background: on mouseUp set the backgroundColor of fld fTextENTRY to white export snapshot from fld fTextENTRY to file TextEXPORT.png as PNG set the backgroundColor of fld fTextENTRY to the backgroundColor of fld fMyColour end mouseUp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exact number of a radio button in a group
tareq_tawaiha wrote: This might be a simple question. I have 4 buttons in a group. Each buttons name and label are similar for that button. If i edit the group then select a button and check its Size and position in the property inspector , at the end of the inspector there is a field called number, is there a way to use that number in a script ? I have made sure that for all the buttons in my group (top to bottom) the number of the buttons are (1, 2 , 3, 4) (In the picture i attached , if i inspect button simple it is one , button colorful it is 2 see attached picture). I want to be able to assign a letter (A,B, C and D) for every button when selected. If a user selects colorful then i want to put b. I could use a switch statement IF i could get that assigned number . I use this code , its not working ( any other way of doing this ?) on mouseDown get the hilitedButtonName of me put it into bname put bname get the number of button bname put it into X switch X case 1 put A break case 2 put B case 3 put C http://www.nabble.com/file/p26050917/Picture%2B1.png case 4 put D end switch end mouseDown What an incredibly complicated way of doing things!! I made a stack with a copy of your group and put these scripts into buttons simple, colorful, large and visible respectedly: on mouseUp put a into fld fOUTPUT end mouseUp on mouseUp put b into fld fOUTPUT end mouseUp on mouseUp put c into fld fOUTPUT end mouseUp on mouseUp put d into fld fOUTPUT end mouseUp no stress, no mess! Love, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Exact number of a radio button in a group
tareq_tawaiha wrote: That would be GREAT if i had 1 group , but i have over 80 groups, each group has 4 possible answers (radio buttons). That would mean i would have to go into every button's script and add that script. Which could be my last resort , but i would prefer to edit 80 groups , instead of over 300 buttons . Is there away to control it from the group itself instead of editing every button ? I am sorry I took so long: after about 9 years with Runtime Revolution I have never really worked with groups before . . . :) Try this: on mouseUp if the mouseLoc is within the rect of btn 1 then put a into fld fOUTPUT end if if the mouseLoc is within the rect of btn 2 then put b into fld fOUTPUT end if if the mouseLoc is within the rect of btn 3 then put c into fld fOUTPUT end if if the mouseLoc is within the rect of btn 4 then put d into fld fOUTPUT end if end mouseUp It works ! Love, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: replace group script on multiple cards
tareq_tawaiha wrote: I have a stack with over 80 groups that contain 4 radio buttons ( i have attached a picture example below), they all have a similar scripts. I need to replace the script of all of the groups with a new script. Unfortunately by using the find option in the script editor i can not use the REPLACE ALL button for many cards . Old Script : on mouseDown Do 1 End mouseDown I want to create a button that will go through all the cards, FIND THE GROUPS and edit their script to NEW Script on mouseDown Do 1 Do 2 and 3 . End mouseDown What i am looking for could look like this : on mouseUp repeat with x= 1 to the number of cards go to cd x -- a step here should find the groups , the groups are named differently on every card) -- a step here should replace the OLD script for every group with a NEW script end repeat go to cd 1 end mouseUp http://www.nabble.com/file/p26052673/Picture%2B1.png Tareq, I am about to go downstairs and teach little children English. [I run a private language mini-school in Bulgaria although I come from Scotland.] BUT; to replace a script you can do something like this: set the script of btn XYZ to fld ABC and whatever is contained in field ABC will become the script of button XYZ. I will have a think about the rest and get back to you at lunchtime. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: HIG and Usability - KDE 4.3
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Anyone with an interest in app usability and the desktop should take a look at the latest KDE release. The Kubuntu live version is a reasonable source. It is very different indeed. Easy to use once learned, not necessarily instantly inutuitive ways of working. But what is funny is, once you have done something once in their initially uninituitive way, you find it automatic to do it the second time. They took a major risk, one probably no commercial OS supplier would ever take, and but it has, finally, paid off. It is also visually stunning. There is an article here: http://www.kdenews.org/2009/10/21/kde4-demonstrates-choice-not-usability- problem Here is Aaron Seigo's interesting take: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/10/comparing-kde-4-and-gnome-3.html The article, and trying the latest KDE, confirmed all my old prejudices - namely, that one size does not fit all, and that the fatal flaw of HIGs is that ease of first use is totally different from ease of continuing use. In fact, that the first usually leads to endless irritation in experience. At least, for this particular user, which is why this is written from Fluxbox with hand edited menus! My Desktop of choice is an extremely heavily personalised GNOME with a Mac-like doc; all made to resemble Mac OS X as nearlyas possible. But that is because I am used to Mac. PCLInux has now finally moved to KDE 4, and they usually have one of the best implementations of stuff for the enterprising ordinary user. Gnome with 3.0 is about to change rather dramatically also. So, all you Rev Unbuntu users, fasten your seatbelts! Peter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dispatch-Sending keyDown
dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richard. I have a field with this in its script: on keydown var dispatch keydown to this stack with var end keydown If I type into the field, no text appears. Just like my issue with send, keyDown is not passed to the engine. How did you make yours work? Craig ___ Well my name ISN'T 'Richard', but as I am wide awake I tried this: on keyDown var put fld fTEXT var into fld fTEXT end keyDown Bl**dy silly really as the cursor doesn't travel unless you do this: on keyDown var put fld fTEXT var into fld fTEXT select after fld fTEXT end keyDown I would just type into the field. Objously I am missing something. . . . do tell . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dispatch-Sending keyDown
I thought I would be 'clever' having read what the Documentation says about DISPATCH and did this: on keyDown var dispatch keydown with var end keyDown and fell foul of a recursion problem. I quote from a user-note contributed by somebody called OLIVER (Hello, Oliver, are you reading this? Because your input would be extremely welcome.): Be careful to ensure when using dispatch recursively that an infinite loop won't be caused. For example something like this will never terminate unless a child handles the message: command updateView dispatch updateView end updateView This applies equally to the send and call commands. Obviously the keydown IS being dispatched SOMEWHERE . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Calling all open source developers
All getting a bit heavy round these parts. This should lighten the load: http://mehglobal.com/nix/index.html Absolutely lovely! Love, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Open Source and Forking It
Peter Alcibiades wrote: bForking It/b Richard asks on another thread (not yet on Nabble, which quite often seems to run late) whether there is any way of being Open Source and not having forking. No, definitely not. As soon as you have any such restriction, you have left Open Source. This is the problem; you cannot have your cake and eat it: either the thing is entirely unrestricted except that any modified versions have to be made similarly available and unrestricted, or it is CLOSED. This is where I start getting cheesed-off: --- tangentially relevant burble starts here --- My older son had been reading Francis Bacon and started wondering what was wrong with gross materialism. I told him there was nothing wrong with it, there is no God, no metaphysical world, and so on. Obviously, as I pushed this argument to its logical extreme, he began to see that the axioms it rested on were flawed. So we then went for a roll through the idea that there is no external world and no other beings, but ALL is just a projection from Alexander's mind; equally daft when pushed to its extreme. -- Open Source is just the same as any other mind-set; if it is pushed to its reductio ad absurdam it can be seen to be flawed. That in itself should come as no surprise; what is surprising is that many of the party faithful are not prepared to acknowledge that and make adjustments to take that into account. And this is fundamental to the idea of Open Source. What it seeks to do is give people power to do whatever modifications they want to the source code, as long as they contribute back what they have done. This is why Ballmer made such rude remarks about it. Sounds as if he got forked off. Presumably the only reason the chap made rude remarks was because, in some way, he felt threatened. Presumably, had he seen some advantage to himself, he would have praised it to the skies. Poor old Ballmer, as insecure as ever. One wonders why; people still carry on paying the earth for Microsoft Windows, Office and so forth when Linux and Open Office can do the same job for nothing, and, arguably, better. This is also why it is only about the power to do things with the code. What it runs on or what the requirements for running it are, is immaterial. Well, maybe, if one equated the RunRev engine with an Operating system, one could term stacks Open Source ?? The classic example of recent forking occurred with X windows. Over a period of a couple of months, Xorg forked from Xfree86, and secured universal adoption by all Linux distributions. The team simply left and took the code with them. Recently on a matter closer to home, we have seen a fork, or an attempted fork, of PythonCard. If you look on DistroWatch, there are north of 350 different distributions of Linux now. Well, these are all forks. On the other hand, you notice there is only one Python. Basically, projects that keep in touch and are responsive do not get forked. Ones that are of no interest do not get forked. But if you start acting, on a project people really are interested in, like an unresponsive commercial developer, you definitely will get the project forked. As Xfree86 found. It can be open source and run on Windows or Mac OS, as long as you get the source under a copyright waiver which lets you make any mods of it you want as long as you pass them on. It cannot be open source if anyone can stop you making mods and incorporating them into your project, even were it to run on open hardware, open cpu, open boot code, open OS. QUITE: so how anything that has been built using RunRev can be Open Source escapes me. I have released all sorts of silly little stacks into the wild with no licence at all; and for all I know somebody may have used some of my code without any acknowledgement or anything in their commercial project (ha, ha, ha; most of my stacks only demonstrate that I can reinvent the wheel). This is a risk, but as, for the code to work, they are dependent on a closed-source engine, they are not Open Source. Probably, had I felt those stacks had any real, lasting value, I could have spent donkey's ages fooling around on the internet finding some licence, which, ultimately, would have offered me just about as much protection as nothing. It cannot be open source if you have the power to modify some of it but not the rest of it. For instance, OSX is not open source, even were it to run on an open source kernel. Something either is or is not open source. There is no such thing as being partly or somewhat open source. Well, there is: stacks written with RunRev are, surely, partly? It is because
Retrieve the Layer Number of an Object?
Rick Harrison wrote: I want to programmatically get the layer number of a button, store the layer number for it, move the button to the front, modify the button, and then move it back to the layer where it was with the set the layer of button blah to the VarLayerNumber. on mouseUp put the layer of btn Button into VarLayerNumber set the layer of btn Button to top -- do daft things to btn Button -- set the layer of btn Button to VarLayerNumber end mouseUp Not terribly difficult . . . :) Mind you, why it is necessary to move the button to the top layer, do things to it, and move it back again escapes me when you could just perform your transformations in situ. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Retrieve the Layer Number of an Object?
dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richard, Perhaps his buttons are, er, layered so they cannot be seen, lying under other objects. And his machinations are to be viewed. But, absent that, I agree with you; why bother? Craig Newman In a message dated 10/21/09 2:20:59 PM, richmondmathew...@gmail.com writes: Mind you, why it is necessary to move the button to the top layer, do things to it, and move it back again escapes me when you could just perform your transformations in situ. ___ Possibly. Err . . . who is 'Richard' ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Calling all open source developers
David Bovill wrote: snipped out a large section I hope that is entertaining enough Richmond? ___ Humpf! I would have chosen another word, rather than 'entertaining'. As has been mentioned previously, it won't stop somebody pinching something if they want to. A little bird told me that certain large computer software companies (cough, cough), knowing that their highly paid lawyers can trample all over people, have been gaily pinching small people's ideas for donkey's ages and rolling them out as their own. Ultimately, the whole thing doesn't really come down to legalese, but whether people are honest or not. Living as I do in a country where the computers run on a 99% Windows installed base, and where about 90% of that is pirate, and cheating is virtually institutionalised, I have found the current discussion vaguely interesting from a philosophical point of view. But as a serious discussion about the real world it seems a bit silly. I have introduced about 50 children to RunRev over the last 5 years; until the advent of revMedia 4 I had to explain to them that I would NOT give them personal copies of RR, complete with licence numbers for nothing: I think it would be fair to say that all of them thought I was bonkers. Don't reply by telling me that Bulgaria is a special case because it isn't; it is representative of a very large section of the world; a section with which, sooner or later, all of you who live in the 'West' (i.e. where software piracy only really happens on a personal basis) will have to engane with. - I am also sure that not very many of the RunRev community wish to see the setting up of some sort of totalitarian snooping organisation (although they are trying their damnedest in Britain) to check everyone's PC on a daily basis for naughty stuff. So there has to be another way to stop piracy. One of the ways is Open Source. The only problem about that is how the programmer os going to fill his/her fridge. Personally I rather like the 'Freemium' concept, and intend to release my 'Sanskrit Typewriter' in that way: 1. A web-based system that is FREE, and is capable of encoding Classical Sanskrit without restrictions. 2. A standalone that COSTS MONEY, that has all the capabilities of the FREE version and an extremely sophisticated set of routines for coping with all the ramifications of Devanagari script semi-automatically. In theory, at least, this should reduce piracy of the end product, as the free version will be capable of doing anything that the casual Sanskrit hobbyist (err . . . work that one out) will need. I will keep the code tightly against my chest! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Calling all open source developers
David Bovill wrote: It is perfectly acceptible to release RevTalk code under the terms of the GPL, MIT or other licenses. This has been done before, and debated extensively over the years in other related platforms - even where the engine itself is closed. Purists, like to argue over the issue, and debates can get heated (and usually tedious). My personal point of view is that there is precedence here and a number of thriving communities have grown up by using open source and open content licenses in similar circumstances. As that is the purpose, I'll go with what works and is helpful with regard to community building, and stick to arguing the philosophy down the pub (which is a much more enjoyable place for those sort of debates). Building a practical and truely collaborative open source community around RevTalk is certainly helped if the mothership takes a clear and encouraging stance on these issues. I have long argued on this list and elsewhere that RunRev should adopt an explicit open source strategy to encourage proper collaboration between developers on a clear and firm legal basis. This does not mean open sourcing their engine, but it does mean taking the small steps needed to support and encourage community efforts in this area. Releasing the documentation under an open content (Creative Commons) license would be symbolic and help. Explicitly releasing the code in the IDE under an MIT or other open source license, and encouraging integration with other similarly licensed IDEs (like MC IDE) would also help. As far as I can gather from talking to Kevin, Mark and the other folks at RunRev - they have nothing against these moves which I found encouraging. As far as I can tell it is simply that none of the developers there have experience of working on open source projects, and the use of open licenses, and as such they are not quite sure as to how they would support / engage with such and effort given their limited resources. I proposed to Kevin and a number of developers at RunRev Live, that maybe we can move this area forwards by creating a community led project with an explicit remit to develop open source code libraries and widgets in RevTalk. This would be an arms length legal entity, with RunRev or any other interested party able to join as a full member and have a say with regard to the projects direction. Based on the positive feedback to these ideas from the conference, I've decided to put what time I have into taking this forwards with the aim of launching it in time for the RunRev November launch. Sorry, but, frankly, the only thing that excited me about your message was November launch; it is funny how information is leaked out to the proletariat . . . :) The organisation would be not-for-profit, in that any money derived from activities such as commercial closed source dual licensing of code libraries would go back into the pool to pay developers to work on open source libraries. I've discussed this proposal with a number of funders here in the UK and it seems encouraging to apply for some grants to develop this community as well. Any individual developer or company is fully entitled to join, and the organisation will have an open membership. The aim is simple to define collectively what tools and resources the community would like to develop as open source code and resource these efforts. The secondary aim is to engage with other open source and open content communities, building on the strengths and accessibility of the language to be immediately understandable to any programmer, and encourage interoperability between RevTalk and other open source frameworks. My personal interest in the project is in the legal and community side, and I want to combine this with my passion for RevTalk to pilot a truly innovative collaborative community, not just based around code, but also open media content as well. While the Revolution engine is not open, the accessibility of the language, the free version of the IDE in RevMedia, and it's ability to appeal to designers and non-developers interested in media, place it in a strong position to serve as a foundation for a rich open content community. I'm hopeful that other developers will share these goals, and that we can work together to support the wider adoption of the language and the creation of higher quality open code and media resources for the community. If there is anyone who would like to discuss the funding proposals, or join either as a full legal partner, or as an informal associate partner maybe we can start a discussion off list? From previous experience I'd say that this list is best kept to discussions regarding code, and the use of Revolution - I'm breaking this rule here just as a heads-up and invitation to those interested in this area to help co-design this initiative :) ___ ___ use-revolution mailing list
Re: Calling all open source developers
Fredrik Andersson wrote: Sorry, but, frankly, the only thing that excited me about your message was November launch; it is funny how information is leaked out to the proletariat . . . :) http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/october/issue80/ :) Humpf: living in Bulgaria affects one's brain a-n-d t-h-i-n-g-s s-l-o-w d-o-w-n. ... :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT - quote of Picasso
Thierry wrote: Le 19 oct. 09 à 01:57, Mick Collins a écrit : Computers are useless. They only give you answers. Pablo Picasso The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa interesting feed-back... From the book I picked up this quote of Picasso, I have this one, few pages later : I never set out to be weird. It was always the other people who called me weird. Frank Zappa. To which I would add, lest we forget: A computer is only as good as the person in front of it! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT - quote of Picasso
Ian Wood wrote: On 19 Oct 2009, at 09:40, Richmond Mathewson wrote: To which I would add, lest we forget: A computer is only as good as the person in front of it! Going a bit further OT, one of my headmasters liked to say that computers were more intelligent than a brick, but less intelligent than a snail... I know the headmaster of a school who used to say something similar about his pupils. While we're on the OT riff: Why did the cross-eyed headmaster have a problem with his children? Because he could never get his pupils to focus on anything. (OK, OK, got it from Basil Brush about 7 years ago) . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT - quote of Picasso
Peter Brigham MD wrote: On Oct 19, 2009, at 4:40 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Thierry wrote: Le 19 oct. 09 à 01:57, Mick Collins a écrit : Computers are useless. They only give you answers. Pablo Picasso The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa interesting feed-back... From the book I picked up this quote of Picasso, I have this one, few pages later : I never set out to be weird. It was always the other people who called me weird. Frank Zappa. To which I would add, lest we forget: A computer is only as good as the person in front of it! Or... A fool with a tool is still a fool. -- Peter The snag about that is that every fool there is suddenly feels that they are a computer expert just as soon as they work out where the ON button is, how to e-mail Mother and Skype their loved ones. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Calling all open source developers
Richard Gaskin wrote: I'm putting together some notes for an article at revJournal.com on open source projects done with Rev. If you're working on complete applications or even just components for the Rev community, let's use the pages at revJournal.com to help raise the visibility of your efforts. Please reply off-list to me at: ambassa...@fourthworld.com Kindly include a brief description of your project, URL to its home page, and please note which FOSS license the project uses. Thanks - Pardon my goofiness, but as far as In understand an Open Source project is not possble using RunRev because RunRev is itself proprietary. I ran up against this several years ago when I offered 2 programs of mine to Ubuntu, who, to put it nicely, got all hoity-toity because the source code was not completely open. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Calling all open source developers
Thierry wrote: Le 19 oct. 09 à 18:48, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Richard Gaskin wrote: I'm putting together some notes for an article at revJournal.com on open source projects done with Rev. If you're working on complete applications or even just components for the Rev community, let's use the pages at revJournal.com to help raise the visibility of your efforts. Please reply off-list to me at: ambassa...@fourthworld.com Kindly include a brief description of your project, URL to its home page, and please note which FOSS license the project uses. Thanks - Pardon my goofiness, but as far as In understand an Open Source project is not possble using RunRev because RunRev is itself proprietary. I ran up against this several years ago when I offered 2 programs of mine to Ubuntu, who, to put it nicely, got all hoity-toity because the source code was not completely open. Hi Richmond, The Ubuntu software repository is divided into four components - main, restricted, universe and multiverse - on the basis of our ability to support that software, and whether or not it meets the goals laid out in our Free Software Philosophy. Read more here : http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/components My 2 cents Thank you, Thierry; I have read all that stuff a while ago; and almost fell asleep because it was so boring. In my youth I was a fanatic, shouting for various 'pure' causes from various rooftops: had I come across it sooner the Free Software Philosophy might have been one of them. However, age and experience has shown me that dividing things up into hard-and-fast black/white categories is, ultimately counter-productive. As far as I recall, my reply to the Ubuntu people (to whom I had offered 2 reasonable programs about the phonemes of English) was something like boil your heads. I am, after all, a great fan of Open Source software, whose computers almost exclusively use Open Source applications; all feeding into work I do using Runtime Revolution, which I love, and is far from Open Source. Now if I come 'bearing gifts the old adage; Don't look a gift-horse in the mouth should hold good. Feel free to, politely say No Thanks, but not to get all high-and-mighty with some 'pure' Philosophy, because pure philosophies are like anything, when pressed against the wall (pushed to their reductio ad absurdam) the pips, inevitably, squeak. -- As far as I am concerned, Richard made a small mistake in using the term Open Source when he might have been better to use Given Away Free in its place. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Calling all open source developers
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Richmond, I am no expert, but isn't it a matter of the GPL? If its released under the GPL, and if source is supplied on demand, its open source. Now it may have been written in a proprietary language, but I think that is technically allowed. Though there will be those who will object, and this was at the bottom of the Gnome/KDE wars, where the problem was that Qt was not 'free', or not totally free, whereas obviously Gtk was. It is true, that even if source is available, one of the aims of OSS can be subverted if access to the language or tools is restricted, so the purists have a point. But I think, technically, you can have OSS stuff written in a proprietary language. Peter I am not picking a fight with Open Source; I am pointing out that to describe something which is written using a proprietary language and/or IDE as Open Source is potentially misleading. There should be a term whereby, for the sake of argument, were I to do the following: Release a standalone and the stacks from which it were built (using RunRev) as both FREE and ADAPTABLE, EXTENSIBLE by anybody who wants. Could be described without using either 'Open Source' or 'Closed Source' (and 'Semi-Open' is as daft as it sounds - 'half-empty', 'half-full', or 'half-baked'). --- Certainly, when I offered some stuff to Ubuntu, including original stacks, they didn't want it (and not because the programs were rubbish) because they were not TOTALLY Open Source. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Music ????
Yup, stirring the soup again: http://tilestack.com/stacks/Piano/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Screen Recording for Cheap-Jacks
Hey-Ho, it's Richmond the beggar going his rounds again . . . :) I just came across this: http://www.jingproject.com/ For Mac and Windows (Humpf, no Linux). Can record up to 5 minutes of screen action! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Screen Recording for Cheap-Jacks
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote: (Humpf, no Linux). jshot recordMyDesktop ZScreen Wink Shutter xvidcap Greenshot Shutter (said to be the best) Peter That's an impressive list; will try them out at the weekend. Thanks! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Screen Recording for Cheap-Jacks
René Micout wrote: There is also screenium : http://www.clubic.com/telecharger-fiche203330-screenium.html in french... Sorry... René Pas de problem pour moi avec mon Francais excrable; merci beaucoup! Le 15 oct. 09 à 16:01, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : Peter Alcibiades wrote: Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote: (Humpf, no Linux). jshot recordMyDesktop ZScreen Wink Shutter xvidcap Greenshot Shutter (said to be the best) Peter That's an impressive list; will try them out at the weekend. Thanks! ___ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Placing objects manually
I have recently noticed that one cannot place objects manually where their positions involve odd numbers. For example: 123,123 One can drag an object to 122,122 or 124,124 The rest has to be done by adjusting values via the Preferences palette. When one has to place some 2500 objects (as I have with my Sanskrit Typewriter) this can slow things down considerably. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
