RE: A Quick Question about iOS Photos and a Follow-up

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don't think these captions you enter are read automatically by Voiceover.

From: VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 11:38 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: A Quick Question about iOS Photos and a Follow-up

Hello Everyone,

I hope your summer is off to a good start, although, now that I think about it, 
summer doesn’t officially begin until later this month (smile).

After all these years, I finally decided to start using iCloud Photos.  Until 
now, I have been keeping my photos on my beloved Windows PC but, as I take more 
and more photos, the iCloud photos option began looking more attractive.

On my iPhone 14, I open a photo in the photos app.  In the details area, I 
enter a caption, such as, “Mark’s Crystal Ball.”

My quick question:  Isn’t Voice Over supposed to read the caption of that photo 
when I land on it as I browse through my photos in any given view?  If so, 
please tell me what Voice Over configuration I should use.

As to the follow-up:
I received my new walking pad.  I absolutely love, love, love it and think it 
will be a perfect device for anyone who is blind or low vision because (1) it 
has tactile button controls, (2) it has easily retractable handrails, and (3) 
it comes completely already assembled, out of the box.  But I want to wait a 
few days, just to put it through it paces before posting about it, on-list.

Okay, I think that’s about it for now.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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A Quick Question about iOS Photos and a Follow-up

[VIPhone]

Hello Everyone,

I hope your summer is off to a good start, although, now that I think about 
it, summer doesn’t officially begin until later this month (smile).

After all these years, I finally decided to start using iCloud Photos. 
 Until now, I have been keeping my photos on my beloved Windows PC but, as 
I take more and more photos, the iCloud photos option began looking more 
attractive.

On my iPhone 14, I open a photo in the photos app.  In the details area, I 
enter a caption, such as, “Mark’s Crystal Ball.”  

My quick question:  Isn’t Voice Over supposed to read the caption of that 
photo when I land on it as I browse through my photos in any given view? 
 If so, please tell me what Voice Over configuration I should use.

As to the follow-up:
I received my new walking pad.  I absolutely love, love, love it and think 
it will be a perfect device for anyone who is blind or low vision because 
(1) it has tactile button controls, (2) it has easily retractable 
handrails, and (3) it comes completely already assembled, out of the box. 
 But I want to wait a few days, just to put it through it paces before 
posting about it, on-list.

Okay, I think that’s about it for now.

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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Follow-up on Question About Accessibility of Omnilogic App

[paekstrand]

Hi All,

 

This is just an FYI for anyone who may be looking at using the Omnilogic app
for controlling Hayward pool equipment.  The tech we are working with was
able to log in remotely to a pool which uses that equipment, and we were
able to determine that this app has very poor accessibility, to put it
mildly.  For example, once you enter scheduling the time to run the pool
pump, all voiceover says is page 1 of 1.  This was the case for every screen
we tried.

 

Just out of curiosity, we tried the same thing using Talkback on the
technician's android phone, and it seemed to be speaking all of the items
quite nicely.  

 

So, this is just a heads-up on one of those kinds of apps that you can't
really test out without having access to the equipment it controls.

 

Pam

 

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Re: plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug

[Ed Worrell]

Hello,

What you are not understanding is that many people have commented on your bug 
report. We are not having the bugs you seem to have with the Facebook app. We 
can not reproduce the issue. It sounds like it is an isolated issue on your app 
install or device. Have you tried uninstalling Facebook and reinstalling it? 
This might force the latest version to fix its self.

Ed


> On Apr 29, 2023, at 4:59 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Dear 
> 
> Do you really think I will mention updates without updating my apps in 
> advanced I have been in highschool until my 21 years old! It is eventually a 
> bug!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Dennis Long
> Verzonden: vrijdag 28 april 2023 21:28
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug
> 
> Please update your app before saying it isn't solved.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2023 5:21 AM
> To: davycupp...@gmail.com
> Subject: plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug
> 
> Hi folks 
> 
> The facebook devs are reluctant to solve this tramendous bug now fort he 3th 
> update. We are on V412 now. And the bug has occured since V409 so for all the 
> folks on V408 or lower, do not update the facebook ios app for iphone or 
> ipad. 
> 
> So please do report again again and again each day!
> Whats the problem: embedded links in newsfeets are nolonger spoken by 
> voiceover.
> Regards
> Davy 
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RE: plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug

[davycuppens]

Dear 

Do you really think I will mention updates without updating my apps in advanced 
I have been in highschool until my 21 years old! It is eventually a bug!
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Dennis Long
Verzonden: vrijdag 28 april 2023 21:28
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Onderwerp: RE: plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug

Please update your app before saying it isn't solved.

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davycupp...@gmail.com
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To: davycupp...@gmail.com
Subject: plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug

Hi folks 

The facebook devs are reluctant to solve this tramendous bug now fort he 3th 
update. We are on V412 now. And the bug has occured since V409 so for all the 
folks on V408 or lower, do not update the facebook ios app for iphone or ipad. 

So please do report again again and again each day!
Whats the problem: embedded links in newsfeets are nolonger spoken by voiceover.
Regards
Davy 

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RE: plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug

[Dennis Long]

Please update your app before saying it isn't solved.

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Subject: plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug

Hi folks 

The facebook devs are reluctant to solve this tramendous bug now fort he 3th 
update. We are on V412 now. And the bug has occured since V409 so for all the 
folks on V408 or lower, do not update the facebook ios app for iphone or ipad. 

So please do report again again and again each day!
Whats the problem: embedded links in newsfeets are nolonger spoken by voiceover.
Regards
Davy 

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Re: plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug

[Ed Worrell]

This issue has been fixed. I had it many, many weeks ago.

Ed


> On Apr 28, 2023, at 3:21 AM,   
> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks 
> 
> The facebook devs are reluctant to solve this tramendous bug now fort he 3th
> update. We are on V412 now. And the bug has occured since V409 so for all
> the folks on V408 or lower, do not update the facebook ios app for iphone or
> ipad. 
> 
> So please do report again again and again each day!
> Whats the problem: embedded links in newsfeets are nolonger spoken by
> voiceover.
> Regards
> Davy 
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Re: plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug

[Jenifer Barr]

I can not duplicate this issue. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2023, at 5:21 AM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi folks 
> 
> The facebook devs are reluctant to solve this tramendous bug now fort he 3th
> update. We are on V412 now. And the bug has occured since V409 so for all
> the folks on V408 or lower, do not update the facebook ios app for iphone or
> ipad. 
> 
> So please do report again again and again each day!
> Whats the problem: embedded links in newsfeets are nolonger spoken by
> voiceover.
> Regards
> Davy 
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plese follow me and DO reportagain to Facebooks link bug

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

The facebook devs are reluctant to solve this tramendous bug now fort he 3th
update. We are on V412 now. And the bug has occured since V409 so for all
the folks on V408 or lower, do not update the facebook ios app for iphone or
ipad. 

So please do report again again and again each day!
Whats the problem: embedded links in newsfeets are nolonger spoken by
voiceover.
Regards
Davy 

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follow me - facebook not willing to solve their tramendus voiceover bug for links: PLEASE do report now again and again

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

Follow me and please do not hesitate and report immediately this tramendous
bug to facebook accessibility.
Problem: whereever you encounter a link posted by a news source or newspaper
or group or, Voiceover gets numb and i twill not be read outloud since
version 409.0.
All users that are below this version please DO NOT update your facebook ios
app. 

Please follow this form to be filled out: 

https://www.facebook.com/help/contact/169372943117927

Regards 
Davy 

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Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[Jonathan Cohn]

Sounds like a complaint to Facebook accessibility is in mind here too. Both 
applications you mention I Meta apps.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2023, at 12:53 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yes Lyne that in particular with this app, is true but also on whatsapp but 
> overall in the ios system. 
> Do please DO complain with Apple. Do it now again again again and again!
> Davy 
> 
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> Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2023 3:37
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility 
> dictation feedback bug still not solved
> 
> In Facebook, horrible to try to modify 
> 
> Lyne
> 
>> Le 28 mars 2023 à 21:07, Paul Henrichsen  a écrit :
>> 
>> Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am 
>> able to find and review the edit field.
>> Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out.
>> Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Henrichsen
>> p...@pfhj.org
>> pfhj2...@gmail.com
>> 
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>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 12:43 PM
>> To: davycupp...@gmail.com
>> Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation 
>> feedback bug still not solved
>> 
>> Hi folks 
>> 
>> I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social 
>> media groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are 
>> nolonger read so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or 
>> possibly correct your phrases.
>> 
>> Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.
>> 
>> Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call 
>> accessibil...@apple.com 
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Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[Lyne]

Are you sure it's not Meta the problem? It's not jusst for dictation, it's the 
same if you use keyboard, you cannot read your text. It's not only for last 
update...  

Lyne

> Le 29 mars 2023 à 12:53, davycupp...@gmail.com a écrit :
> 
> Yes Lyne that in particular with this app, is true but also on whatsapp but 
> overall in the ios system. 
> Do please DO complain with Apple. Do it now again again again and again!
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Lyne
> Verzonden: woensdag 29 maart 2023 3:37
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility 
> dictation feedback bug still not solved
> 
> In Facebook, horrible to try to modify 
> 
> Lyne
> 
>> Le 28 mars 2023 à 21:07, Paul Henrichsen  a écrit :
>> 
>> Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am 
>> able to find and review the edit field.
>> Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out.
>> Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Henrichsen
>> p...@pfhj.org
>> pfhj2...@gmail.com
>> 
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>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 12:43 PM
>> To: davycupp...@gmail.com
>> Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation 
>> feedback bug still not solved
>> 
>> Hi folks 
>> 
>> I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social 
>> media groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are 
>> nolonger read so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or 
>> possibly correct your phrases.
>> 
>> Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.
>> 
>> Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call 
>> accessibil...@apple.com 
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RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[davycuppens]

Yes Lyne that in particular with this app, is true but also on whatsapp but 
overall in the ios system. 
Do please DO complain with Apple. Do it now again again again and again!
Davy 

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Onderwerp: Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility 
dictation feedback bug still not solved

In Facebook, horrible to try to modify 

Lyne

> Le 28 mars 2023 à 21:07, Paul Henrichsen  a écrit :
> 
> Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am able 
> to find and review the edit field.
> Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out.
> Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4.
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Paul Henrichsen
> p...@pfhj.org
> pfhj2...@gmail.com
> 
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> Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation 
> feedback bug still not solved
> 
> Hi folks 
> 
> I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media 
> groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read 
> so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct 
> your phrases.
> 
> Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.
> 
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> accessibil...@apple.com 
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RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[davycuppens]

It cannot be reproduced all the time but it helps as you have been dictating 
several phrases in a row. Suddenly, after you stop dictating, you magic tap and 
here a sound and then normally as it should be, the tekst is read to you, that 
tekst that you have been dictating. In most cases this doesn't work, even VO is 
crashing and you have to close the app, reopen it, search fort he edit field 
and find or correct there your dictated tekst. It is really crab and 
frustrating behaviour and the most tramendous bug ever on ios.
Moreover in some cases stopping the dictation results in the playback of music 
a complaint which I have heard dozens of times in the last 2 or 3 months.
Regards
Davy 
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Onderwerp: RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility 
dictation feedback bug still not solved

Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am able to 
find and review the edit field.
Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out.
Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4.
Thanks.
 

Paul Henrichsen
p...@pfhj.org
pfhj2...@gmail.com

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Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation 
feedback bug still not solved

Hi folks 

I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media 
groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read so 
that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct your 
phrases. 

Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.

Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call 
accessibil...@apple.com 

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Re: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[Lyne]

In Facebook, horrible to try to modify 

Lyne

> Le 28 mars 2023 à 21:07, Paul Henrichsen  a écrit :
> 
> Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am able 
> to find and review the edit field.
> Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out.
> Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4.
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Paul Henrichsen
> p...@pfhj.org
> pfhj2...@gmail.com
> 
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> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 12:43 PM
> To: davycupp...@gmail.com
> Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation 
> feedback bug still not solved
> 
> Hi folks 
> 
> I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social media 
> groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are nolonger read 
> so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or possibly correct 
> your phrases.
> 
> Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.
> 
> Please for everyone that can confirm this nasty glidge, e-mail or call 
> accessibil...@apple.com 
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RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[Paul Henrichsen]

Hi. Where are you seeing this? I usually dictate text messages and I am able to 
find and review the edit field.
Let me know where you are seeing the problem so I can check it out.
Also, I'm assuming you are using IOS 16.4.
Thanks.
 

Paul Henrichsen
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pfhj2...@gmail.com

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feedback bug still not solved

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Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.

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RE: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Have been doing so with every iOS release since it first popped up. It is super 
annoying and is a big time productivity killer

Cristóbal

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Subject: please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation 
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Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.

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please follow me DO ALL complain with Apple accessibility dictation feedback bug still not solved

[davycuppens]

Hi folks 

I am amongst hundreds of people mentioning here and elsewhere on social
media groups, the bug that after stopping dictation mostly texts are
nolonger read so that you have to search fort he edit field to edit or
possibly correct your phrases. 

Apple is refusing to solve this tramendous bug.

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RE: Follow

[Sieghard Weitzel]

As Kelly said, the device in this case shouldn't matter although it really 
helps if people at least say whether they use an iPhone or an iPad and, if it 
is an iPad, whether it has cellular capabilities and a SIM card or not.
But the rebooting of iPad and router as well as doing a reset network setting 
still applies, there has to be an issue with his network or the connection to 
it on some level.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
Giannetti
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 3:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Follow

Adrian does not have an iPhone. He just has the iPad.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I have no issues whatsoever with Facetime. Have you rebooted your device? 
> This sounds like more of a connectivity issue, a restart of your phone would 
> be the first step, if that doesn't help I woul d reboot my router. I assume 
> you are on Wi-Fi when this happens? If you are using cellular data when you 
> are getting disconnected from Facetime calls I would turn off the phone 
> completely, then pop the SIM tray out a little, no need to remove it 
> completely, push it closed again and start up your iPhone and see if that 
> helps.
> If you are still having issues I would go to Settings > General > Reset and 
> reset network settings only. This will also reboot your phone and it will 
> require you to enter your Wi-Fi password again. Also, if you phone is called 
> something lik e "Adrian's iPhone", you have to go to Settings > General > 
> About and rename your iPhone since resetting network settings changes the 
> name of you rphone to just "iPhone".
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'adrian Leong' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 3:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Follow
> 
> I reinstalled the face time app and when i placed a face time audio call it 
> works for a minute then it doesn't. Has any one had that happen
> 
> Adrians ipad
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Re: Follow

[Kelly Pierce]

Same advice applies. Shut off the device and reboot. If this does not
work, try a soft reset.

Kelly



On 2/20/23, Diane Giannetti  wrote:
> Adrian does not have an iPhone. He just has the iPad.
>
> Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>
>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> I have no issues whatsoever with Facetime. Have you rebooted your device?
>> This sounds like more of a connectivity issue, a restart of your phone
>> would be the first step, if that doesn't help I woul d reboot my router. I
>> assume you are on Wi-Fi when this happens? If you are using cellular data
>> when you are getting disconnected from Facetime calls I would turn off the
>> phone completely, then pop the SIM tray out a little, no need to remove it
>> completely, push it closed again and start up your iPhone and see if that
>> helps.
>> If you are still having issues I would go to Settings > General > Reset
>> and reset network settings only. This will also reboot your phone and it
>> will require you to enter your Wi-Fi password again. Also, if you phone is
>> called something lik e "Adrian's iPhone", you have to go to Settings >
>> General > About and rename your iPhone since resetting network settings
>> changes the name of you rphone to just "iPhone".
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'adrian Leong' via VIPhone 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 3:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Follow
>>
>> I reinstalled the face time app and when i placed a face time audio call
>> it works for a minute then it doesn't. Has any one had that happen
>>
>> Adrians ipad
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Re: Follow

[Diane Giannetti]

Adrian does not have an iPhone. He just has the iPad.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I have no issues whatsoever with Facetime. Have you rebooted your device? 
> This sounds like more of a connectivity issue, a restart of your phone would 
> be the first step, if that doesn't help I woul d reboot my router. I assume 
> you are on Wi-Fi when this happens? If you are using cellular data when you 
> are getting disconnected from Facetime calls I would turn off the phone 
> completely, then pop the SIM tray out a little, no need to remove it 
> completely, push it closed again and start up your iPhone and see if that 
> helps.
> If you are still having issues I would go to Settings > General > Reset and 
> reset network settings only. This will also reboot your phone and it will 
> require you to enter your Wi-Fi password again. Also, if you phone is called 
> something lik e "Adrian's iPhone", you have to go to Settings > General > 
> About and rename your iPhone since resetting network settings changes the 
> name of you rphone to just "iPhone".
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'adrian Leong' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 3:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Follow
> 
> I reinstalled the face time app and when i placed a face time audio call it 
> works for a minute then it doesn't. Has any one had that happen
> 
> Adrians ipad
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RE: Follow

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have no issues whatsoever with Facetime. Have you rebooted your device? This 
sounds like more of a connectivity issue, a restart of your phone would be the 
first step, if that doesn't help I woul d reboot my router. I assume you are on 
Wi-Fi when this happens? If you are using cellular data when you are getting 
disconnected from Facetime calls I would turn off the phone completely, then 
pop the SIM tray out a little, no need to remove it completely, push it closed 
again and start up your iPhone and see if that helps.
If you are still having issues I would go to Settings > General > Reset and 
reset network settings only. This will also reboot your phone and it will 
require you to enter your Wi-Fi password again. Also, if you phone is called 
something lik e "Adrian's iPhone", you have to go to Settings > General > About 
and rename your iPhone since resetting network settings changes the name of you 
rphone to just "iPhone".


-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 3:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Follow

I reinstalled the face time app and when i placed a face time audio call it 
works for a minute then it doesn't. Has any one had that happen

Adrians ipad

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Follow

['adrian Leong' via VIPhone]

I reinstalled the face time app and when i placed a face time audio call it 
works for a minute then it doesn't. Has any one had that happen

Adrians ipad

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Re: Interesting IOS16 feature, email follow-up sending mail back to the inbox.

['Mervin Keck III' via VIPhone]

Thanks for the tip. That has been annoying me but I haven’t had time to figure 
out where it was originating.
Merv


> On Nov 13, 2022, at 8:52 PM, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
> 
> Hello, I thought I’d send a message about this new switch in the mail 
> settings in IOS16. It's just after the privacy setting, and before the 
> threading options. It's called follow-up suggesttions. Reading about this 
> feature answered my internal question about why some sent mail was ending up 
> in my inbox a few days later. I wonered if it was waiting to send that 
> message until that later date, or what was going on. It turns out that yes 
> the mail goes out when you send it, but if you have questions within that 
> email to whomever, then Apple thinks you might want to follow up, if that 
> person doesn’t reply to your message. If you like this feature, it's on by 
> default, but if not, switch it off and your messages will not return to your 
> inbox like they have been.
> Matthew 
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Re: Interesting IOS16 feature, email follow-up sending mail back to the inbox.

[Alex Stone]

Thanks, this is really helpful, I’ve been having the same problem!

Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Matthew 
Bullis 
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2022 1:52:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Interesting IOS16 feature, email follow-up sending mail back to the 
inbox.

Hello, I thought I’d send a message about this new switch in the mail settings 
in IOS16. It's just after the privacy setting, and before the threading 
options. It's called follow-up suggesttions. Reading about this feature 
answered my internal question about why some sent mail was ending up in my 
inbox a few days later. I wonered if it was waiting to send that message until 
that later date, or what was going on. It turns out that yes the mail goes out 
when you send it, but if you have questions within that email to whomever, then 
Apple thinks you might want to follow up, if that person doesn’t reply to your 
message. If you like this feature, it's on by default, but if not, switch it 
off and your messages will not return to your inbox like they have been.
Matthew

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Interesting IOS16 feature, email follow-up sending mail back to the inbox.

[Matthew Bullis]

Hello, I thought I’d send a message about this new switch in the mail settings 
in IOS16. It's just after the privacy setting, and before the threading 
options. It's called follow-up suggesttions. Reading about this feature 
answered my internal question about why some sent mail was ending up in my 
inbox a few days later. I wonered if it was waiting to send that message until 
that later date, or what was going on. It turns out that yes the mail goes out 
when you send it, but if you have questions within that email to whomever, then 
Apple thinks you might want to follow up, if that person doesn’t reply to your 
message. If you like this feature, it's on by default, but if not, switch it 
off and your messages will not return to your inbox like they have been.
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Follow up dictation upcoming IOS 16.1

[Gordon]

So I promised an email over the weekend giving my final opinion on IOS 
16.1 that you will all have the opportunity to install on Monday. 
Dictation is working a lot better, however you must use the two finger 
double tap to start and stop. I've always found the dictate button and 
double tapped with one finger to start and stop, but that method doesn't 
work very well in the new version. But the accuracy seems to be much 
better and I would say it would be fine to get the update. They did not 
push out a second release candidate, so I'm assuming they fixed a lot of 
this under the hood without having to update the software. Battery life 
is incredibly good on my phone. I've only use 48 percent in 24 hours and 
I did use my phone a lot yesterday on Saturday. Dictation seemed to work 
itself out sometime on Friday on my device and I've used it a good bit 
prior to sending this message. But it was really busted when I first 
reached out to Mark to clear with him discussing this issue. I 
understand why it's not a good idea to discuss beta software because 
things are constantly changing, but release candidates are the finished 
product that the public will get. I'm just glad that this got sorted out 
before it went public because I know that a lot of people rely on 
dictation working properly for their every day use.


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follow up - Major S E 2020 problem

[Donald Roberts]

On Saturday, I posted a message stating that I no longer had VoiceOver 
speech on my iPhone S e 2020 although Siri and everything else was still 
functional. Since I had not yet put VoiceOver volume in the rotor, I had 
no way without speech to check volume status.


I got sighted help to go into Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, and 
Rotor and then turn on VoiceOver volume. VoiceOver is now working as 
expected.


I post this message in case anyone else ever finds themselves in a 
similar situation. My thanks to all who responded to Saturday's inquiry 
and especially to Gordon who nailed the problem accurately.


Don Roberts

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Re: [tech-vi Announce List] A Response From Apple Accessibility Regarding Lost Siri Functionality FW: Please Bring Back Lost Siri Functionality; Follow-up: 782296253

[Richard Turner]

I just received the exact same email. from Apple Accessibility in response to 
my note about that.




Richard
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(Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro)

On Oct 4, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Maria Campbell  wrote:



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Subject: Re: Please Bring Back Lost Siri Functionality; Follow-up: 782296253

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coming weeks. Reinstating Siri actions to check call history and voicemail will 
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iOS software update.

In the meanwhile, if you would like us to help identify some alternatives using 
a combination of Siri and accessibility features, please let us know.

Sincerely,

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Fwd: [tech-vi Announce List] A Response From Apple Accessibility Regarding Lost Siri Functionality FW: Please Bring Back Lost Siri Functionality; Follow-up: 782296253

[Maria Campbell]

From the Tech-VI list owner:

Many users of Apple products have noticed that some Siri functions have 
recently disappeared. These voice commands pertain to functions for 
accessing email, call history and voicemail. I recently wrote to Apple 
Accessibility requesting that these capabilities be reinstated. I 
received the following positive response.


*From:* Apple Accessibility 
*Sent:* Monday, October 4, 2021 6:10 PM
*To:* david.goldfi...@outlook.com
*Subject:* Re: Please Bring Back Lost Siri Functionality; Follow-up: 
782296253


Hello David,

Thank you for your email.

We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused, and we are working 
to reinstate some Siri Email and Phone actions, which were temporarily 
removed as part of updates to improve Siri.



You will be able to ask Siri to write, send, and check unread emails in 
the coming weeks. Reinstating Siri actions to check call history and 
voicemail will take a bit more time, and we will bring back this 
functionality in an upcoming iOS software update.



In the meanwhile, if you would like us to help identify some 
alternatives using a combination of Siri and accessibility features, 
please let us know.


Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility

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Re: Using Twitterific to follow someone.

[Ed Worrell]

Hello Terri,

Open the side menu in the top left of the screen.
Navigate down to the search option.
A new screen will open with a search field at the top of the screen. Type in 
the field after activating it. 
Press the People tab under the search field and then press the search/done 
button in the bottom right hand corner of the keyboard.

This should give you a list of possible matches.

HTH

Ed Worrell


> On Jul 29, 2021, at 3:50 PM, terri elliott  wrote:
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> Hi.  The name of the television station is called wwmt channel 3 Kalamazoo 
> Michigan.
> 
> Terri.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Tell me the name of the TV station, and I will be able to help you  to do 
>> that.
>> 
>> 
>> *** MQ ***
>> ***270-776-9871 ***
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of terri 
>> elliott 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:24:08 PM
>> To: vi phone 
>> Subject: Using Twitterific to follow someone.
>>  
>> I’m trying to do a search to follow a tv station that I like.  How do I go 
>> about doing this Thanks.
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Re: Using Twitterific to follow someone.

[terri elliott]

Hi.  The name of the television station is called wwmt channel 3 Kalamazoo 
Michigan.

Terri.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2021, at 2:42 PM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:
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> *** MQ ***
> ***270-776-9871 ***
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of terri 
> elliott 
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> Subject: Using Twitterific to follow someone.
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Re: Using Twitterific to follow someone.

[Mickey Quenzer]

Tell me the name of the TV station, and I will be able to help you  to do that.


*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of terri 
elliott 
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 1:24:08 PM
To: vi phone 
Subject: Using Twitterific to follow someone.

I’m trying to do a search to follow a tv station that I like.  How do I go 
about doing this Thanks.

Terri.

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Using Twitterific to follow someone.

[terri elliott]

I’m trying to do a search to follow a tv station that I like.  How do I go 
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RE: follow-up regarding questions about Balance My Checkbook by LingsDesigns

[Richard Turner]

That is very helpful Vicky.

Might I suggest, if you haven't already, do a write up for Applevis.com?  You 
have to set up a free account to do that, but this sounds like an app more 
people could find very useful.

Thanks,


Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 10:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: follow-up regarding questions about Balance My Checkbook by 
LingsDesigns

I asked some questions about the Balance My Checkbook app by LingsDesigns on 
this list and another one but didn't get any answers, so I finally decided to 
contact the developer. And as I expected from reading some of the reviews about 
the app, I did indeed get a response.

If anybody recalls my first message to the list regarding this, if memory 
serves seeing as I didn't bother to save my original message here, I had three 
questions. As the first question involved what were improvements made to 
VoiceOver to the newer version of the program and was just a curiosity 
question, I opted not to take up the developer's time with it.

My other two questions involved whether the search transactions feature was 
still available in the legacy version of the app, and whether the notes field 
was still auto completed for the same type of transaction in the current 
version of the app. While I don't feel comfortable posting the developer's full 
email here, I'll post the part relating to those specific questions, and then 
I'll talk a little bit about my call to Apple Accessibility afterwards. And 
speaking of Apple Accessibility, I've heard in various places that they're no 
longer letting one call with non-VO questions but are referring those to the 
AppleCare number. Are folks here finding this to be the case? Anyway, here is 
the developer response followed by my comments:

Search is available in all versions but the search bar may be hidden, to show 
it swipe down on the center of the Account screen.  I'm not sure how you do 
that with VoiceOver.  The most current version shows it by default.


Because of user complaints, auto complete for the notes field was disable to 
match its behavior in version 1.x.  I'll consider adding an option for whether 
to auto complete the notes in a future update.

Anyway, I very much appreciated the developer's concise, timely, and courteous 
response to those and my other questions. And since I didn't know how to access 
the search option in the legacy version, either, I called Apple Accessibility. 
We talked a bit, and then it was decided that I would let them take a look at 
my screen. However, when he tried to send me the notification, I never did 
receive it, and he said it was because I wasn't using Wi-Fi. I then suggested 
that I try connecting the phone I was using to the personal hotspot of my other 
phone, and that did indeed work to allow him to see my screen.

We still couldn't figure out how to get to the search bar, though, so I 
suggested turning off VoiceOver and letting him take a look, to which he 
agreed. He then suggested I swipe down from the top of the screen with three 
fingers with VoiceOver turned off, then turn VoiceOver back on, and then see if 
I could see the search box. So I did the swipe down with VO off, turned VO back 
on, and the search box stayed there as long as I remained in that particular 
account. Actually, after I hung up from Apple, I tried turning off VO, doing 
practically anything anywhere on the screen with however many fingers I liked, 
and the search box would appear. But depending on what I did, for example just 
tapping in the middle of the screen with one finger, often brought up a 
specific transaction in the account as well as the search box, if that makes 
sense.

Anyway, as I mentioned in a follow-up email to the developer after talking with 
Apple, as much as I am tempted to go back and use the legacy version now that I 
know how to use the search feature with it, I'll just stick with the newer 
version, especially since the developer talked about making the legacy version 
identical to the current version at some point.

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follow-up regarding questions about Balance My Checkbook by LingsDesigns

[Vicky Collins]

I asked some questions about the Balance My Checkbook app by LingsDesigns on 
this list and another one but didn't get any answers, so I finally decided to 
contact the developer. And as I expected from reading some of the reviews about 
the app, I did indeed get a response.

If anybody recalls my first message to the list regarding this, if memory 
serves seeing as I didn't bother to save my original message here, I had three 
questions. As the first question involved what were improvements made to 
VoiceOver to the newer version of the program and was just a curiosity 
question, I opted not to take up the developer's time with it.

My other two questions involved whether the search transactions feature was 
still available in the legacy version of the app, and whether the notes field 
was still auto completed for the same type of transaction in the current 
version of the app. While I don't feel comfortable posting the developer's full 
email here, I'll post the part relating to those specific questions, and then 
I'll talk a little bit about my call to Apple Accessibility afterwards. And 
speaking of Apple Accessibility, I've heard in various places that they're no 
longer letting one call with non-VO questions but are referring those to the 
AppleCare number. Are folks here finding this to be the case? Anyway, here is 
the developer response followed by my comments:

Search is available in all versions but the search bar may be hidden, to show 
it swipe down on the center of the Account screen.  I'm not sure how you do 
that with VoiceOver.  The most current version shows it by default.


Because of user complaints, auto complete for the notes field was disable to 
match its behavior in version 1.x.  I'll consider adding an option for whether 
to auto complete the notes in a future update.

Anyway, I very much appreciated the developer's concise, timely, and courteous 
response to those and my other questions. And since I didn't know how to access 
the search option in the legacy version, either, I called Apple Accessibility. 
We talked a bit, and then it was decided that I would let them take a look at 
my screen. However, when he tried to send me the notification, I never did 
receive it, and he said it was because I wasn't using Wi-Fi. I then suggested 
that I try connecting the phone I was using to the personal hotspot of my other 
phone, and that did indeed work to allow him to see my screen.

We still couldn't figure out how to get to the search bar, though, so I 
suggested turning off VoiceOver and letting him take a look, to which he 
agreed. He then suggested I swipe down from the top of the screen with three 
fingers with VoiceOver turned off, then turn VoiceOver back on, and then see if 
I could see the search box. So I did the swipe down with VO off, turned VO back 
on, and the search box stayed there as long as I remained in that particular 
account. Actually, after I hung up from Apple, I tried turning off VO, doing 
practically anything anywhere on the screen with however many fingers I liked, 
and the search box would appear. But depending on what I did, for example just 
tapping in the middle of the screen with one finger, often brought up a 
specific transaction in the account as well as the search box, if that makes 
sense.

Anyway, as I mentioned in a follow-up email to the developer after talking with 
Apple, as much as I am tempted to go back and use the legacy version now that I 
know how to use the search feature with it, I'll just stick with the newer 
version, especially since the developer talked about making the legacy version 
identical to the current version at some point.

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Re: Follow up on issue with braille displays and the "Message body text field is editing" with iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Richard,

I am on the latest between and turned the container description to do nothing. 
I also turned the speech off with m plus spacebar. I did see the body is 
editing message. It appeared only once while doing this email. Once it went 
away, it has not returned. The focus also still jumps. Nothing has changed.

Jenn  

Jenn and Kumi

> On May 10, 2021, at 11:32 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> Anyone experiencing this issue, can you check two things.
> Check the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity concerning container description. 
>  Note what it is.  I find even with it set to Do Nothing, the problem 
> persists.
>  Turn off speech with space+m or a three finger double tap before writing in 
> the message body.
>  
> Can you write without issues with speech off?
>  
> If so, then I think that is the problem, since the braille display shows 
> everything VoiceOver says, that is creating the problem.
>  
> Thanks for your help in pinning this down.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
> they become by it."
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Follow up on issue with braille displays and the "Message body text field is editing" with iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch

[Richard Turner]

Hello all,
Anyone experiencing this issue, can you check two things.

  1.  Check the setting under VoiceOver Verbosity concerning container 
description.  Note what it is.  I find even with it set to Do Nothing, the 
problem persists.
  2.   Turn off speech with space+m or a three finger double tap before writing 
in the message body.


Can you write without issues with speech off?

If so, then I think that is the problem, since the braille display shows 
everything VoiceOver says, that is creating the problem.

Thanks for your help in pinning this down.



Richard
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Re: "Message body text field is editing...." was RE: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; Follow-u

[Donna Casteen]

Hi,

I don’t use a braille display, so my suggestion is based on my experience using 
my device without any other technology. Have you tried turning on screen 
recognition or turning off screen recognition if it is on?? I have noticed, 
when using my iPhones on screen keyboard, if the cursor jumps around, turning 
on screen recognition if it is off or turning off screen recognition if it is 
on, seems to stop the cursor from jumping around in the app that I may be 
using. If it works it is a solution until Apple fixes the problem.

Donna

> 
> 
> I can confirm that while writing an email, the phrase “message body text 
> field is editing” pops up, so you seem to lose your place and cannot get it 
> back easily without touching the screen.
> Most annoying.
> Any and all who experience this should report it to Apple.
> It is an Apple bug for sure.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
> they become by it."
> 
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
> 
>  
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
> Bomareto
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Fwd: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it 
> because it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille 
> Display.; Follow-up: 767154754
>  
> FYI: see below.
> 
> Thanks for your prompt attention!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Apple Accessibility 
> Date: April 28, 2021 at 10:46:53 AM EDT
> To: jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because 
> it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; 
> Follow-up: 767154754
> 
> Hello,
>  
> Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to provide this 
> feedback. We are currently investigating this behavior, and hope to have it 
> resolved in a future software update. 
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Apple Accessibility 
>  
> On April 22, 2021 at 16:46:24 PM GMT, jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Hello,
>  
> So when I’m typing in an email the display jumps around when I’m  trying to 
> type. And then I have to try to go back and fix since the Braille Display 
> jumps around.  for example, as I’m typing then it backs out so to speak 
> instead if I remember right it talks about edit text field I don’t remember 
> just what it says again as I said this is very very irritating so please fix 
> this when the next version of iOS comes out. So could you guys please please 
> fix this so when I’m typing I can type an email without having to go through 
> all this with this bug and voiceover because as I said it’s very very 
> irritating to me and very very irritating to a lot of other people that use 
> braille displays.
>  
> Thanks for your prompt attention!
> 
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RE: "Message body text field is editing...." was RE: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; Follow-u

[Richard Turner]

I chose to report this and put Jennie’s follow-up case number in the subject 
line to tie the report to her initial report.
If others want to do that, here is the line to put in the subject field:
Follow-up: 767154754



Richard
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they become by it."
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: "Message body text field is editing" was RE: A bug in iOS that 
really needs to be resolved because it because it is very very irritating to me 
when I am typing on my Braille Display.; Follow-up: 767154754

I can confirm that while writing an email, the phrase “message body text field 
is editing” pops up, so you seem to lose your place and cannot get it back 
easily without touching the screen.
Most annoying.
Any and all who experience this should report it to Apple.
It is an Apple bug for sure.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Fwd: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because 
it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; 
Follow-up: 767154754

FYI: see below.
Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: Apple Accessibility 
mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Date: April 28, 2021 at 10:46:53 AM EDT
To: 
jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com<mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because 
it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; 
Follow-up: 767154754
Hello,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to provide this 
feedback. We are currently investigating this behavior, and hope to have it 
resolved in a future software update.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility

On April 22, 2021 at 16:46:24 PM GMT, 
jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com<mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com>
 wrote:

Hello,

So when I’m typing in an email the display jumps around when I’m  trying to 
type. And then I have to try to go back and fix since the Braille Display jumps 
around.  for example, as I’m typing then it backs out so to speak instead if I 
remember right it talks about edit text field I don’t remember just what it 
says again as I said this is very very irritating so please fix this when the 
next version of iOS comes out. So could you guys please please fix this so when 
I’m typing I can type an email without having to go through all this with this 
bug and voiceover because as I said it’s very very irritating to me and very 
very irritating to a lot of other people that use braille displays.

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone
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"Message body text field is editing...." was RE: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; Follow-up: 7

[Richard Turner]

I can confirm that while writing an email, the phrase “message body text field 
is editing” pops up, so you seem to lose your place and cannot get it back 
easily without touching the screen.
Most annoying.
Any and all who experience this should report it to Apple.
It is an Apple bug for sure.



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fwd: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because 
it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; 
Follow-up: 767154754

FYI: see below.
Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: Apple Accessibility 
mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Date: April 28, 2021 at 10:46:53 AM EDT
To: 
jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com<mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because 
it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; 
Follow-up: 767154754
Hello,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to provide this 
feedback. We are currently investigating this behavior, and hope to have it 
resolved in a future software update.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility

On April 22, 2021 at 16:46:24 PM GMT, 
jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com<mailto:jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com>
 wrote:


Hello,

So when I’m typing in an email the display jumps around when I’m  trying to 
type. And then I have to try to go back and fix since the Braille Display jumps 
around.  for example, as I’m typing then it backs out so to speak instead if I 
remember right it talks about edit text field I don’t remember just what it 
says again as I said this is very very irritating so please fix this when the 
next version of iOS comes out. So could you guys please please fix this so when 
I’m typing I can type an email without having to go through all this with this 
bug and voiceover because as I said it’s very very irritating to me and very 
very irritating to a lot of other people that use braille displays.

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone
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[Jenny Bomareto]

FYI: see below.

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Apple Accessibility 
> Date: April 28, 2021 at 10:46:53 AM EDT
> To: jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because 
> it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; 
> Follow-up: 767154754
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to provide this 
> feedback. We are currently investigating this behavior, and hope to have it 
> resolved in a future software update. 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Apple Accessibility 
> 
>> On April 22, 2021 at 16:46:24 PM GMT, jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> So when I’m typing in an email the display jumps around when I’m  trying to 
>> type. And then I have to try to go back and fix since the Braille Display 
>> jumps around.  for example, as I’m typing then it backs out so to speak 
>> instead if I remember right it talks about edit text field I don’t remember 
>> just what it says again as I said this is very very irritating so please fix 
>> this when the next version of iOS comes out. So could you guys please please 
>> fix this so when I’m typing I can type an email without having to go through 
>> all this with this bug and voiceover because as I said it’s very very 
>> irritating to me and very very irritating to a lot of other people that use 
>> braille displays.
>> 
>> Thanks for your prompt attention!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Random letters showing up after the letters "mi." appear in an app; Follow-up: 766884486

[Donna Casteen]

Hi,

I’m getting something similar after I open my Photos app & swipe through my 
photos or send a photo. Once I clear all apps from the app switcher & restart 
my phone the problem goes away until I open the Photos app & swipe through my 
photos or send a photo. I’ve reported the problem to Apple, but they had no 
clue. It seems no one else has reported anything similar.

Donna

> 
> 
> Greeitings to all who have noticed this behavior.
>  
> I forwarded the emails from this list with an explanation to Apple 
> Accessibility, and got the below response.
> So, if you are experiencing said behavior, please write 
> accessibil...@apple.com
>  
>  
> From: Apple Accessibility  
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 7:16 AM
> To: richardturne...@outlook.com
> Subject: Re: Random letters showing up after the letters "mi." appear in an 
> app; Follow-up: 766884486
>  
> Hello Rich,
>  
> Thank you for your email. We appreciate you passing along this information, 
> but we ask that customers who are experiencing the behavior to contact us 
> directly. This helps us collect pertinent informaton to assist with an 
> investigation without anything getting lost in translation.
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Apple Accessibility
>  
> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
> http://www.apple.com/accessibility
> http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility
>  
> On April 19, 2021 at 17:08:36 PM GMT, richardturne...@outlook.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Apple Accessibility.
>  
> I am  going to paste parts of a conversation on a list for the Orbit Reader 
> braille display that has brought out what looks like a bug with 40 cell 
> braille displays.
> Teresa at: vegaspipistre...@gmail.com was writing about random letters 
> showing up on her Orbit Reader 40 braille display after the letters "mi" 
> appeared in an app on iOS.
> I asked for specifics, so she said:
>  
> Hi, Richard,
>  
> I'm thinking at this point of these conditions: go to any app in iOS and 
> observe any word with the letters mi. After these letters is either a blank 
> space or random phrases from other parts of the text. Also, every time I 
> repeat this in the same chunk of text, a different set of characters is 
> displayed after the letters mi.
>  
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> Winging its way from my iPod
>  
>  
> I opened her email and read it on my Orbit Reader 40 braille display and at 
> the point of her message where she mentioned the letters "mi." My display 
> showed two spaces then "ssage is from a mailing list…."
> That text is clearly from the top of the email where the mail app tells you 
> that This message is from a mailing lsist and click here to unsubscribe or 
> something…
>  
> Reading the rest of the message and going back to her line about the letters 
> "mi.", I then had the letter k and the time …
>  
> I am on an iPhone SE 2nd Generation running the latest iOS 14.
>  
> My phone is locked to portrait.
> This is really a serious problem.
>  
>  
> Feel free to reach out to me or Teresa for further information but I hope I 
> have explained this well enough.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
> they become by it."
> 
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FW: Random letters showing up after the letters "mi." appear in an app; Follow-up: 766884486

[Richard Turner]

Greeitings to all who have noticed this behavior.

I forwarded the emails from this list with an explanation to Apple 
Accessibility, and got the below response.
So, if you are experiencing said behavior, please write 
accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>


From: Apple Accessibility 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 7:16 AM
To: richardturne...@outlook.com
Subject: Re: Random letters showing up after the letters "mi." appear in an 
app; Follow-up: 766884486

Hello Rich,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate you passing along this information, but 
we ask that customers who are experiencing the behavior to contact us directly. 
This helps us collect pertinent informaton to assist with an investigation 
without anything getting lost in translation.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility

For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
http://www.apple.com/accessibility
http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility

On April 19, 2021 at 17:08:36 PM GMT, 
richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:



Hello Apple Accessibility.

I am  going to paste parts of a conversation on a list for the Orbit Reader 
braille display that has brought out what looks like a bug with 40 cell braille 
displays.
Teresa at: vegaspipistre...@gmail.com<mailto:vegaspipistre...@gmail.com> was 
writing about random letters showing up on her Orbit Reader 40 braille display 
after the letters "mi" appeared in an app on iOS.
I asked for specifics, so she said:

Hi, Richard,

I'm thinking at this point of these conditions: go to any app in iOS and 
observe any word with the letters mi. After these letters is either a blank 
space or random phrases from other parts of the text. Also, every time I repeat 
this in the same chunk of text, a different set of characters is displayed 
after the letters mi.

Thanks,
Teresa
Winging its way from my iPod


I opened her email and read it on my Orbit Reader 40 braille display and at the 
point of her message where she mentioned the letters "mi." My display showed 
two spaces then "ssage is from a mailing list"
That text is clearly from the top of the email where the mail app tells you 
that This message is from a mailing lsist and click here to unsubscribe or 
something...

Reading the rest of the message and going back to her line about the letters 
"mi.", I then had the letter k and the time ...

I am on an iPhone SE 2nd Generation running the latest iOS 14.

My phone is locked to portrait.
This is really a serious problem.


Feel free to reach out to me or Teresa for further information but I hope I 
have explained this well enough.





Richard
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FW: Cleaning iphones; Follow-up: 754619482

[Richard Turner]

Greetings,
I had written Apple to get clarification about the cleaning products mentioned 
on their own article.
Here is their reply, which I will take as the authoritative position and modify 
my opinion accordingly.
From: Apple Accessibility 
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 9:19 AM
To: richardturne...@outlook.com
Subject: Re: Cleaning iphones; Follow-up: 754619482

Hello Richard,

Thank you for your email. The wipes mentioned at the beginning of the article 
are specifically for 70 percent isopropyl alcohol wipe or Clorox Disinfecting 
Wipes. The warning of "Don't use window cleaners, household cleaners, 
compressed air, aerosol sprays, solvents, ammonia, or abrasives to clean your 
iPhone.” covers other cleaning agents that would go beyond the prescribed items 
at the top of the article.

Sincerely,

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Re: Fwd: Siri issues; Follow-up: 749735996

[stewart]

well, at least they know we want answers anyway

On 10/13/2020 6:23 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

I got the exact same message.


Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do 
nothing.

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On 10/13/2020 6:11 PM, stewart wrote:

hi folks:


wrote to apple support and this is what they said.  not much but they 
are aware of the situation with siri.



stew



 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: Siri issues; Follow-up: 749735996
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:49:53 + (GMT)
From: Apple Accessibility 
To: cecropi...@att.net



Hello Stewart,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to 
let you know that Apple is currently investigating this issue.


Apple Accessibility

Please also visit our sites
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ 
<http://www.apple.com/accessibility/>
http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/ 
<http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/>


On October 13, 2020 at 18:08:44 PM GMT, cecropi...@att.net wrote:


hello:


i am using an i phone eight and IOS 13.  Siri is not
announcing sports scores and the like.  just keeps bringing me to the
internet.  also Siri is telling me my email is not set up and it is.
apparently many people are having similar issues with siri and i just
wanted to bring it to your attention.  thank you


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Re: Fwd: Siri issues; Follow-up: 749735996

[Maria Campbell]

I got the exact same message.


Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 10/13/2020 6:11 PM, stewart wrote:

hi folks:


wrote to apple support and this is what they said.  not much but they 
are aware of the situation with siri.



stew



 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: Siri issues; Follow-up: 749735996
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:49:53 + (GMT)
From: Apple Accessibility 
To: cecropi...@att.net



Hello Stewart,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let 
you know that Apple is currently investigating this issue.


Apple Accessibility

Please also visit our sites
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ <http://www.apple.com/accessibility/>
http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/ 
<http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/>


On October 13, 2020 at 18:08:44 PM GMT, cecropi...@att.net wrote:


hello:


i am using an i phone eight and IOS 13.  Siri is not
announcing sports scores and the like.  just keeps bringing me to the
internet.  also Siri is telling me my email is not set up and it is.
apparently many people are having similar issues with siri and i just
wanted to bring it to your attention.  thank you


stewart mckay





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Fwd: Siri issues; Follow-up: 749735996

[stewart]

hi folks:


wrote to apple support and this is what they said.  not much but they 
are aware of the situation with siri.



stew



 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: Siri issues; Follow-up: 749735996
Date:   Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:49:53 + (GMT)
From:   Apple Accessibility 
To: cecropi...@att.net



Hello Stewart,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let 
you know that Apple is currently investigating this issue.


Apple Accessibility

Please also visit our sites
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ <http://www.apple.com/accessibility/>
http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/ 
<http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/>


On October 13, 2020 at 18:08:44 PM GMT, cecropi...@att.net wrote:


hello:


i am using an i phone eight and IOS 13.  Siri is not
announcing sports scores and the like.  just keeps bringing me to the
internet.  also Siri is telling me my email is not set up and it is.
apparently many people are having similar issues with siri and i just
wanted to bring it to your attention.  thank you


stewart mckay



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RE: Deleting text messages question; Follow-up: 747964420

[Carolyn]

Is Edit in the top right in the messages? 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: FW: Deleting text messages question; Follow-up: 747964420

Here is the response I received from Apple Accessibility about the deleting 
text messages issue concerning confirming your wish to delete a message.

From: Apple Accessibility  
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:32 PM
To: richardturne...@outlook.com
Subject: Re: Deleting text messages question; Follow-up: 747964420

 

Hello Richard,


Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to bring this to 
our attention, and have passed this information along to the appropriate team 
for consideration.

Have you tried navigating to the “Edit” button, choosing select messages, 
select the messages you want and then tap on the “Delete” button? 

 

Sincerely,


Apple Accessibility

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RE: Deleting text messages question; Follow-up: 747964420

[Richard Turner]

Agreed.
Maybe they will consider adding an option to not have to confirm…

Time will tell.


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 2:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Deleting text messages question; Follow-up: 747964420

Thanks for posting that, richard. Their suggested workaround is actually more 
work than just the extra tapping on the delete button to confirm. I guess it 
would be OK if you had a whole bunch to delete it once. But I always read and 
either act on and/or delete each one, I guess I don’t get that many.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Here is the response I received from Apple Accessibility about the deleting 
text messages issue concerning confirming your wish to delete a message.
From: Apple Accessibility 
mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:32 PM
To: richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: Deleting text messages question; Follow-up: 747964420

Hello Richard,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to bring this to 
our attention, and have passed this information along to the appropriate team 
for consideration.
Have you tried navigating to the “Edit” button, choosing select messages, 
select the messages you want and then tap on the “Delete” button?

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility
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Re: Deleting text messages question; Follow-up: 747964420

[Mary Otten]

Thanks for posting that, richard. Their suggested workaround is actually more 
work than just the extra tapping on the delete button to confirm. I guess it 
would be OK if you had a whole bunch to delete it once. But I always read and 
either act on and/or delete each one, I guess I don’t get that many.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here is the response I received from Apple Accessibility about the deleting 
> text messages issue concerning confirming your wish to delete a message.
> From: Apple Accessibility  
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:32 PM
> To: richardturne...@outlook.com
> Subject: Re: Deleting text messages question; Follow-up: 747964420
>  
> Hello Richard,
> 
> Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to bring this to 
> our attention, and have passed this information along to the appropriate team 
> for consideration.
> 
> Have you tried navigating to the “Edit” button, choosing select messages, 
> select the messages you want and then tap on the “Delete” button? 
>  
> Sincerely,
> 
> Apple Accessibility
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FW: Deleting text messages question; Follow-up: 747964420

[Richard Turner]

Here is the response I received from Apple Accessibility about the deleting 
text messages issue concerning confirming your wish to delete a message.
From: Apple Accessibility 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:32 PM
To: richardturne...@outlook.com
Subject: Re: Deleting text messages question; Follow-up: 747964420

Hello Richard,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to bring this to 
our attention, and have passed this information along to the appropriate team 
for consideration.
Have you tried navigating to the “Edit” button, choosing select messages, 
select the messages you want and then tap on the “Delete” button?

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility

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FW: FW: voice keeps changing on phone; Follow-up: 744444969

[Richard Turner]

Hello all,
I forwarded an Email conversation to Apple about the voice changing silliness 
after a client was getting the royal run-around from Apple.
Here is there predictable and reasonable response.  Please, if you are 
experiencing this, keep contacting them and if you happen to be using a beta, 
report it through the feedback app.

From: Apple Accessibility 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 2:33 PM
To: richardturne...@outlook.com
Subject: Re: FW: voice keeps changing on phone; Follow-up: 74969

Hello Rich,

Thank you for your email. We wanted to let you know that Apple is investigating 
the behavior. Moving forward, we ask that the customers who are experiencing 
the specific behaviors or issues to contact us directly as we cannot collect 
additional details from an email group.

Sincerely,

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Follow up with iPad docking station

[Traci Duncan]

I’ve continued research on this topic. Here’s a solution I’ve found. The only 
thing is, I own an iPad mini. Wonder if this set up would work with it?

https://www.cultofmac.com/498542/how-to-use-usb-hub-multiple-devices-ipad/ 


Traci

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RE: How does your Voiceover pronounce yesterday after the iOS 13.4 upgrade?; Follow-up: 732262148

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I received the same reply about 4 months ago regarding how the US SIRI Female 
voice says “ticktite” instead of “dictate”
But I’ll be pleasantly surprised if they fix it quicker.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: FW: How does your Voiceover pronounce yesterday after the iOS 13.4 
upgrade?; Follow-up: 732262148

This is the response I received from Apple Accessibility.  Those who said it 
would do no good to contact them should read ahead.
From: Apple Accessibility 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:53 AM
To: richardturne...@outlook.com
Subject: Re: How does your Voiceover pronounce yesterday after the iOS 13.4 
upgrade?; Follow-up: 732262148

Hi Richard,

Thank you for taking the time to bring this to our attention. While we aren’t 
able to reply all to the email group, you are welcome to pass this information 
along.
We were able to observe this behavior in our testing, and have reported this to 
the appropriate team for investigation.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility



On March 26, 2020 at 05:05:57 AM GMT, 
richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:

I'm copying Apple Accessibility with this message since we are getting very 
different results.
Holly, you asked Siri to spell yesterday, and the American female said 
"yestertay" but spelled it with a d.
I did the same thing but the Siri American Female said "yesterday" and spelled 
it with the d, of course.
But, the Siri American male voice said, "yestertay", and spelled with the d.
I could not get any other voice, Siri or VoiceOver to say "yestertay."
However, others have had samantha and tom, and others say yesterday as 
yestertay.
This all makes less than no sense and is probably impossible to track down 
since it is not a consistent bug.
Since Apple is likely done with iOS 13 now those who are bothered by this are 
probably stuck with it until at least iOS 14.
HTH,


Richard
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On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Holly 
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I asked Siri to spell ‘yesterday’  She said it with a t, but spelled it with a 
d.
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Re: How does your Voiceover pronounce yesterday after the iOS 13.4 upgrade?; Follow-up: 732262148

[Afik Souffir]

Its happends to me also with Ava

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Turner 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 6:01:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: FW: How does your Voiceover pronounce yesterday after the iOS 13.4 
upgrade?; Follow-up: 732262148


This is the response I received from Apple Accessibility.  Those who said it 
would do no good to contact them should read ahead.

From: Apple Accessibility 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:53 AM
To: richardturne...@outlook.com
Subject: Re: How does your Voiceover pronounce yesterday after the iOS 13.4 
upgrade?; Follow-up: 732262148



Hi Richard,



Thank you for taking the time to bring this to our attention. While we aren’t 
able to reply all to the email group, you are welcome to pass this information 
along.

We were able to observe this behavior in our testing, and have reported this to 
the appropriate team for investigation.



Sincerely,



Apple Accessibility







On March 26, 2020 at 05:05:57 AM GMT, 
richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:


I'm copying Apple Accessibility with this message since we are getting very 
different results.

Holly, you asked Siri to spell yesterday, and the American female said 
"yestertay" but spelled it with a d.

I did the same thing but the Siri American Female said "yesterday" and spelled 
it with the d, of course.

But, the Siri American male voice said, "yestertay", and spelled with the d.

I could not get any other voice, Siri or VoiceOver to say "yestertay."

However, others have had samantha and tom, and others say yesterday as 
yestertay.

This all makes less than no sense and is probably impossible to track down 
since it is not a consistent bug.

Since Apple is likely done with iOS 13 now those who are bothered by this are 
probably stuck with it until at least iOS 14.

HTH,





Richard

"There's a nap for that."

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On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Holly 
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I asked Siri to spell ‘yesterday’  She said it with a t, but spelled it with a 
d.

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FW: How does your Voiceover pronounce yesterday after the iOS 13.4 upgrade?; Follow-up: 732262148

[Richard Turner]

This is the response I received from Apple Accessibility.  Those who said it 
would do no good to contact them should read ahead.
From: Apple Accessibility 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:53 AM
To: richardturne...@outlook.com
Subject: Re: How does your Voiceover pronounce yesterday after the iOS 13.4 
upgrade?; Follow-up: 732262148

Hi Richard,

Thank you for taking the time to bring this to our attention. While we aren’t 
able to reply all to the email group, you are welcome to pass this information 
along.
We were able to observe this behavior in our testing, and have reported this to 
the appropriate team for investigation.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility



On March 26, 2020 at 05:05:57 AM GMT, 
richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:


I'm copying Apple Accessibility with this message since we are getting very 
different results.
Holly, you asked Siri to spell yesterday, and the American female said 
"yestertay" but spelled it with a d.
I did the same thing but the Siri American Female said "yesterday" and spelled 
it with the d, of course.
But, the Siri American male voice said, "yestertay", and spelled with the d.
I could not get any other voice, Siri or VoiceOver to say "yestertay."
However, others have had samantha and tom, and others say yesterday as 
yestertay.
This all makes less than no sense and is probably impossible to track down 
since it is not a consistent bug.
Since Apple is likely done with iOS 13 now those who are bothered by this are 
probably stuck with it until at least iOS 14.
HTH,



Richard
"There's a nap for that."
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I asked Siri to spell ‘yesterday’  She said it with a t, but spelled it with a 
d.
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Re: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION

[Julian]

Hi Rob,

You need to have either a Victor reader stream new generation or Victor reader 
trek in order to listen to podcasts. Assuming you have one of these devices, 
simply go into your podcast bookshelf and once there look for the option that 
says add new podcast. Now simply search for blind side and you should find it. 
Hope that helps.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2018, at 5:19 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Tell me how you get to listen to it on VR devices please.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Julian" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:49 PM
> Subject: Re: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It’s already there. I just got done listening to it on my victor stream.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 13, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> 
>> This will soon become an episode of his Blind Side podcast, so if you are 
>> subscribed to that podcast you will automatically 
>> receive it. If you are not subscribed, check periodically at mosen.org under 
>> the podcast link to see if it dropped.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:44 AM
>> Subject: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Although I managed to listen to all of the presentation, I usually very 
>>> much enjoy Jonathan's slant on things and the additional 
>>> information he gives which fills in the blanks for those of us who don't 
>>> see.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have an URL so I can listen to that recording, please?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carol P
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Tell me how you get to listen to it on VR devices please.
- Original Message - 
From: "Julian" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION


Hi,

It’s already there. I just got done listening to it on my victor stream.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>
> This will soon become an episode of his Blind Side podcast, so if you are 
> subscribed to that podcast you will automatically 
> receive it. If you are not subscribed, check periodically at mosen.org under 
> the podcast link to see if it dropped.
>
> Andy
>
> - Original Message - From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:44 AM
> Subject: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Although I managed to listen to all of the presentation, I usually very much 
>> enjoy Jonathan's slant on things and the additional 
>> information he gives which fills in the blanks for those of us who don't see.
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have an URL so I can listen to that recording, please?
>>
>>
>> Thanks a lot.
>>
>>
>> Carol P
>>
>>
>> -- 
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Re: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION

[Julian]

Hi,

It’s already there. I just got done listening to it on my victor stream.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> This will soon become an episode of his Blind Side podcast, so if you are 
> subscribed to that podcast you will automatically receive it. If you are not 
> subscribed, check periodically at mosen.org under the podcast link to see if 
> it dropped.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:44 AM
> Subject: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION
> 
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> Although I managed to listen to all of the presentation, I usually very much 
>> enjoy Jonathan's slant on things and the additional information he gives 
>> which fills in the blanks for those of us who don't see.
>> 
>> 
>> Does anyone have an URL so I can listen to that recording, please?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks a lot.
>> 
>> 
>> Carol P
>> 
>> 
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Re: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION

[Andy Baracco]

This will soon become an episode of his Blind Side podcast, so if you are 
subscribed to that podcast you will automatically receive it. If you are not 
subscribed, check periodically at mosen.org under the podcast link to see if 
it dropped.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:44 AM
Subject: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION



Hi all,


Although I managed to listen to all of the presentation, I usually very 
much enjoy Jonathan's slant on things and the additional information he 
gives which fills in the blanks for those of us who don't see.



Does anyone have an URL so I can listen to that recording, please?


Thanks a lot.


Carol P


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Re: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION

[Wayne Merritt]

For what it's worth, you can also find Jonathan's recap in his
podcast, The Blindside Podcast, in most major podcast apps like
Overcast and Downcast. In addition to this podcast, I also listen to
the AppleVis and Blind Bargains post Apple event podcasts for their
takes. Good stuff all around.

Wayne

On 9/13/18, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Thanks for posting this. I found it very informative and was glad to hear
> that the fall detection does give you 60 seconds to close it before it
> automatically activates the SOS, or you can opt to activate it manually
> right away.
> I could be tempted by the watch, but only if I win the lottery, which is
> unlikely since I don't buy tickets, grin.
> But some of our older clients may find that to be a very valuable feature.
> Richard
>
>
>
> "The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the
> right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." -
> Dorothy Nevill
>
>
>
> [Sent from my little hand-held computer]
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Sadam Ahmed
> mailto:li...@sadamahmed.com>> wrote:
>
> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fppdyzu1rk77acg7%2FTheBlindSide103.mp3%3Fdl%3D0&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfd783bbaec704b1b23a408d619a47380%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636724591426928305&sdata=SRu125gPWUnKEdIhtuRLbVcUBwVqWT21odTyMeumKVU%3D&reserved=0
>
>
> It will be there for the next 2 days.
>
>
> On 9/14/2018 2:44 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> Although I managed to listen to all of the presentation, I usually very much
> enjoy Jonathan's slant on things and the additional information he gives
> which fills in the blanks for those of us who don't see.
>
>
> Does anyone have an URL so I can listen to that recording, please?
>
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
>
> Carol P
>
>
>
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Re: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION

[Richard Turner]

Thanks for posting this. I found it very informative and was glad to hear that 
the fall detection does give you 60 seconds to close it before it automatically 
activates the SOS, or you can opt to activate it manually right away.
I could be tempted by the watch, but only if I win the lottery, which is 
unlikely since I don't buy tickets, grin.
But some of our older clients may find that to be a very valuable feature.
Richard



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place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." - Dorothy 
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On Sep 13, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Sadam Ahmed 
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It will be there for the next 2 days.


On 9/14/2018 2:44 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone wrote:
Hi all,


Although I managed to listen to all of the presentation, I usually very much 
enjoy Jonathan's slant on things and the additional information he gives which 
fills in the blanks for those of us who don't see.


Does anyone have an URL so I can listen to that recording, please?


Thanks a lot.


Carol P



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Re: JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION

[Sadam Ahmed]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ppdyzu1rk77acg7/TheBlindSide103.mp3?dl=0


It will be there for the next 2 days.


On 9/14/2018 2:44 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone wrote:

Hi all,


Although I managed to listen to all of the presentation, I usually 
very much enjoy Jonathan's slant on things and the additional 
information he gives which fills in the blanks for those of us who 
don't see.



Does anyone have an URL so I can listen to that recording, please?


Thanks a lot.


Carol P




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JONATHAN MOSEN'S FOLLOW-UP FOLLOWING APPLE'S PRESENTATION

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Hi all,


Although I managed to listen to all of the presentation, I usually very 
much enjoy Jonathan's slant on things and the additional information he 
gives which fills in the blanks for those of us who don't see.



Does anyone have an URL so I can listen to that recording, please?


Thanks a lot.


Carol P


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Re: Audio Description On Dish follow up answer after checking same channels and interested shows scott

[Peter Logan]

Change your audio feed to Spanish… It works…

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> On Aug 14, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Arlene  wrote:
> 
> Scott, after you asked about the audio description with the 3 shows you and 
> your wife are interested in, we checked these same channels on our dish and 
> we didn't hear the audio description. it simply doesn't work. However we're 
> fortunate to have cox contour, and the audio descriptions comes through 
> without no problem on these same 2 channels for these shows. We have a few 
> other major ongoing isues with dish, so this is just another log to throw on 
> the fire. We're really working diligently to get these issues resolved. 
> Please keep in touch, because we're concerned about the audio description 
> from dish, which we hadn't look into in quite a while, so thanks for asking 
> your question.
> 
> Arlene
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Rumery" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 12:19 PM
> Subject: Audio Description On Dish
> 
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> I would like to hear from anyone who has Dish for their television service 
>> in regards to being able to access audio description on those programs that 
>> offer it.
>> 
>> 
>> We have been using Dish for almost a year now and for the most part we are 
>> satisfied with it with one major exception. For some reason any programs 
>> that are on TBS or TNT that have description we do not get the description. 
>> There are 3 shows that my wife and I are most interested in on these 
>> channel. On TBS The Big Bang Theory andSeinfeld(which I have just learned is 
>> described), and on TNT Law and Order.
>> 
>> 
>> I keep trying to get the described versions on these shows but as of now I 
>> have never been able to get the described versions of these shows. What is 
>> strange is that on any other channel where there is a show with audio 
>> description it works just fine.
>> 
>> 
>> I have talked several times to Dish about this but as of yet they have not 
>> fixed this for us.
>> 
>> 
>> So my question to the group is: is there anyone on the list that has Dish 
>> that is able to get audio description to work on either TBS or TNT?
>> 
>> 
>> Thank You,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Scott
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Re: Audio Description On Dish follow up answer after checking same channels and interested shows scott

[Arlene]

Scott, after you asked about the audio description with the 3 shows you and 
your wife are interested in, we checked these same channels on our dish and 
we didn't hear the audio description. it simply doesn't work. However we're 
fortunate to have cox contour, and the audio descriptions comes through 
without no problem on these same 2 channels for these shows. We have a few 
other major ongoing isues with dish, so this is just another log to throw on 
the fire. We're really working diligently to get these issues resolved. 
Please keep in touch, because we're concerned about the audio description 
from dish, which we hadn't look into in quite a while, so thanks for asking 
your question.


Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Rumery" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 12:19 PM
Subject: Audio Description On Dish



Hello,


I would like to hear from anyone who has Dish for their television service 
in regards to being able to access audio description on those programs 
that offer it.



We have been using Dish for almost a year now and for the most part we are 
satisfied with it with one major exception. For some reason any programs 
that are on TBS or TNT that have description we do not get the 
description. There are 3 shows that my wife and I are most interested in 
on these channel. On TBS The Big Bang Theory andSeinfeld(which I have just 
learned is described), and on TNT Law and Order.



I keep trying to get the described versions on these shows but as of now I 
have never been able to get the described versions of these shows. What is 
strange is that on any other channel where there is a show with audio 
description it works just fine.



I have talked several times to Dish about this but as of yet they have not 
fixed this for us.



So my question to the group is: is there anyone on the list that has Dish 
that is able to get audio description to work on either TBS or TNT?



Thank You,



Scott

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RE: Follow up to a posting about accessible bluetooth kitchen scales

[Cristóbal]

Hi Sieghard,

I should have been more clear, the Vox scale I was referring to is the Vox 3000 
model. I have also tried a couple of the new models which I think are the Vox 
5000 scales if that’s the one you say you have. Its platform is indeed square 
and the little display with the buttons has a rubbery texture if I remember 
correctly. I at two different times bought two of those scales and in both 
instances, they crapped out on me within a month. I didn’t even bother with all 
the returns and warranty and just returned them to Amazon. 

I will say, the whole taking time to open the app thing really isn’t something 
I notice any more since I usually have my phone in my pocket and just launch it 
real quick while I’m gathering up what are usually things like the coffee 
beans/tea, the grinder, measuring cup, water  and so on. It was something that 
I thought was going to bug me more, but it turned out not to be a big deal if 
at all.

Like I said since I have the app go straight to the scale feature, it’s really 
just double tapping on the app icon to open it and zero it out once I’m ready 
to measure whatever it is I’m getting ready to make. 

I will say too, the readings are much faster than what the My Weigh scales 
offer as they’re pretty much instantaneous and again, if you’re on the current 
weight field, VO will speak them automatically. I actually find this to be 
faster than with the Vox scales even when they worked for me. 

Again, my first preference would be just to have any of the Vox scales be more 
durable, but this at a reduced price isn’t really so bad. 

Now, if you see me write in a couple of weeks complaining on how this Drop 
Kitchen scale just died on me, then I apparently have to go get some voodoo 
cleaning done in my kitchen to rid myself of any little gremlins that are 
messing with me and my stuff. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 8:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Follow up to a posting about accessible bluetooth kitchen scales

 

Hi Cristóbal,

 

You must have bad luck with the My Weigh talking scales. I had my first one for 
close to 20 years and it did not work any more at some point last November. I 
contacted the company and they also have a partner here in Canada (probably 
their distributor) where I sent the scale along with a money order and they 
sent me a new one. This one is a bit different, I guess it’s the newer model 
which doesn’t come with the plastic bowl any more, but I have used it now since 
last November without any issues whatsoever.

 

I’m glad to hear the Drop scale is accessible and has the simple scale 
function, but as you also pointed out, you would prefer a talking scale and in 
this case so do I, having to grab the phone, unlock it, open an app and do all 
that every time I want to weigh what might be one of 8 or 10 ingredients in a 
cake recipe sounds like entirely too much trouble.Too bad nobody has made one 
yet which works with Alexa.

 

As for the other one you mentioned I would call this a case where you get what 
you pay for, can’t expect too much with a $20 scale. When my My Weigh stopped 
working I initially had also ordered another talking scale from Amazon, I think 
it was called “Jobar”, but it had a horrible voice and I didn’t like how it 
worked. 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Follow up to a posting about accessible bluetooth kitchen scales

 

Hello list,

 

Towards the end of last year, I posted a sort of query/rant about Bluetooth 
kitchen scales and how I was having no luck with the MY Weigh Vox talking 
scales. No matter how careful I was, the vox scales would unfailingly crap out 
on me only after a few months at the most. At the time of that post, the two of 
my vox scales died within days apart of each other during the Christmas 
holidays. Being stuck without an accessible scale was not fun. That and they 
were already replacements of replacements of replacements… My Weigh did swap 
them out for me and at least that time, they didn’t even charge me the standard 
$25 fee. I just had to pay shipping for both of the scales to Arizona. Came out 
to something like $10.

Anyway, the most recent Vox 3000 scale replacement I got towards the middle of 
January and this time . . . it lasted all the way to mid-March… 

In the meantime, I had been checking out some Bluetooth kitchen scales for 
accessible alternatives as it seems that My Weigh really is the only 
manufacturer that makes talking kitchen scales that can weigh to the gram. And 
as it appears that I’m more or less Charlie Brown when it comes to vox scales, 
I didn’t want to continue to play the swap out game for 

Re: Follow up to a posting about accessible bluetooth kitchen scales

[englishrider91]

I've also had very good luck with MyWeigh's kitchen scales. Their bathroom 
scale--thI had the one where you had to tap it first with your foot before 
fully stepping on to it. Anyhow, after a while, the voice readout and print 
numbers weren't matching up at all. Of course, the kitchen scale doesn't get a 
huge amount of use--it's my baking/portioning out ground meat scale, and I 
don't do those things every day.


Thanks,
Ari

> On May 14, 2018, at 8:39 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cristóbal,
>  
> You must have bad luck with the My Weigh talking scales. I had my first one 
> for close to 20 years and it did not work any more at some point last 
> November. I contacted the company and they also have a partner here in Canada 
> (probably their distributor) where I sent the scale along with a money order 
> and they sent me a new one. This one is a bit different, I guess it’s the 
> newer model which doesn’t come with the plastic bowl any more, but I have 
> used it now since last November without any issues whatsoever.
>  
> I’m glad to hear the Drop scale is accessible and has the simple scale 
> function, but as you also pointed out, you would prefer a talking scale and 
> in this case so do I, having to grab the phone, unlock it, open an app and do 
> all that every time I want to weigh what might be one of 8 or 10 ingredients 
> in a cake recipe sounds like entirely too much trouble.Too bad nobody has 
> made one yet which works with Alexa.
>  
> As for the other one you mentioned I would call this a case where you get 
> what you pay for, can’t expect too much with a $20 scale. When my My Weigh 
> stopped working I initially had also ordered another talking scale from 
> Amazon, I think it was called “Jobar”, but it had a horrible voice and I 
> didn’t like how it worked.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cristóbal
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Follow up to a posting about accessible bluetooth kitchen scales
>  
> Hello list,
>  
> Towards the end of last year, I posted a sort of query/rant about Bluetooth 
> kitchen scales and how I was having no luck with the MY Weigh Vox talking 
> scales. No matter how careful I was, the vox scales would unfailingly crap 
> out on me only after a few months at the most. At the time of that post, the 
> two of my vox scales died within days apart of each other during the 
> Christmas holidays. Being stuck without an accessible scale was not fun. That 
> and they were already replacements of replacements of replacements… My Weigh 
> did swap them out for me and at least that time, they didn’t even charge me 
> the standard $25 fee. I just had to pay shipping for both of the scales to 
> Arizona. Came out to something like $10.
> Anyway, the most recent Vox 3000 scale replacement I got towards the middle 
> of January and this time . . . it lasted all the way to mid-March…
> In the meantime, I had been checking out some Bluetooth kitchen scales for 
> accessible alternatives as it seems that My Weigh really is the only 
> manufacturer that makes talking kitchen scales that can weigh to the gram. 
> And as it appears that I’m more or less Charlie Brown when it comes to vox 
> scales, I didn’t want to continue to play the swap out game for eternity.
> I came across two Bluetooth options. The Perfect Bake 2.0 Smart Scale: 
> https://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Recipe-Kitchen-Wireless-Bluetooth/dp/B019C4PUOA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1526269584&sr=8-3&keywords=bluetooth+kitchen+scale&dpID=51EpnAj-ZTL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
>  for $20.00. as well as the Drop Scale - Connected Kitchen Scale: 
> https://www.amazon.com/Drop-Scale-Connected-Step-Step/dp/B00TTY34KG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526268636&sr=8-1&keywords=drop+bluetooth+kitchen+scale&dpID=31UVszDTlQL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
>  which I got on sale for $56.00 from its usual $80.00. As of this posting, it 
> looks like the Drop Kitchen scale is $70.00.
> Both devices have iOS apps. The Perfect Bake Smart scale I ended up returning 
> as I found it to feel on the cheap side in regards to materials (it felt very 
> plasticky and flimsy) and the paring was kind of a hassle. I don’t recall 
> exactly the process, but I do remember not being able to figure out the 
> buttons (memory serves that there were four buttons) and ended up calling my 
> sighted wife to help me out. The app it was more or less accessible with from 
> what I was able to gather VoiceOver reading the different areas, but again, 
> the app and its layout just felt a little too busy for me.
> To be clear, both these scales and their associated apps have the main focus

RE: Follow up to a posting about accessible bluetooth kitchen scales

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Cristóbal,

You must have bad luck with the My Weigh talking scales. I had my first one for 
close to 20 years and it did not work any more at some point last November. I 
contacted the company and they also have a partner here in Canada (probably 
their distributor) where I sent the scale along with a money order and they 
sent me a new one. This one is a bit different, I guess it’s the newer model 
which doesn’t come with the plastic bowl any more, but I have used it now since 
last November without any issues whatsoever.

I’m glad to hear the Drop scale is accessible and has the simple scale 
function, but as you also pointed out, you would prefer a talking scale and in 
this case so do I, having to grab the phone, unlock it, open an app and do all 
that every time I want to weigh what might be one of 8 or 10 ingredients in a 
cake recipe sounds like entirely too much trouble.Too bad nobody has made one 
yet which works with Alexa.

As for the other one you mentioned I would call this a case where you get what 
you pay for, can’t expect too much with a $20 scale. When my My Weigh stopped 
working I initially had also ordered another talking scale from Amazon, I think 
it was called “Jobar”, but it had a horrible voice and I didn’t like how it 
worked.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Follow up to a posting about accessible bluetooth kitchen scales

Hello list,

Towards the end of last year, I posted a sort of query/rant about Bluetooth 
kitchen scales and how I was having no luck with the MY Weigh Vox talking 
scales. No matter how careful I was, the vox scales would unfailingly crap out 
on me only after a few months at the most. At the time of that post, the two of 
my vox scales died within days apart of each other during the Christmas 
holidays. Being stuck without an accessible scale was not fun. That and they 
were already replacements of replacements of replacements… My Weigh did swap 
them out for me and at least that time, they didn’t even charge me the standard 
$25 fee. I just had to pay shipping for both of the scales to Arizona. Came out 
to something like $10.
Anyway, the most recent Vox 3000 scale replacement I got towards the middle of 
January and this time . . . it lasted all the way to mid-March…
In the meantime, I had been checking out some Bluetooth kitchen scales for 
accessible alternatives as it seems that My Weigh really is the only 
manufacturer that makes talking kitchen scales that can weigh to the gram. And 
as it appears that I’m more or less Charlie Brown when it comes to vox scales, 
I didn’t want to continue to play the swap out game for eternity.
I came across two Bluetooth options. The Perfect Bake 2.0 Smart Scale: 
https://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Recipe-Kitchen-Wireless-Bluetooth/dp/B019C4PUOA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1526269584&sr=8-3&keywords=bluetooth+kitchen+scale&dpID=51EpnAj-ZTL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
 for $20.00. as well as the Drop Scale - Connected Kitchen Scale: 
https://www.amazon.com/Drop-Scale-Connected-Step-Step/dp/B00TTY34KG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526268636&sr=8-1&keywords=drop+bluetooth+kitchen+scale&dpID=31UVszDTlQL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
 which I got on sale for $56.00 from its usual $80.00. As of this posting, it 
looks like the Drop Kitchen scale is $70.00.
Both devices have iOS apps. The Perfect Bake Smart scale I ended up returning 
as I found it to feel on the cheap side in regards to materials (it felt very 
plasticky and flimsy) and the paring was kind of a hassle. I don’t recall 
exactly the process, but I do remember not being able to figure out the buttons 
(memory serves that there were four buttons) and ended up calling my sighted 
wife to help me out. The app it was more or less accessible with from what I 
was able to gather VoiceOver reading the different areas, but again, the app 
and its layout just felt a little too busy for me.
To be clear, both these scales and their associated apps have the main focus on 
interactive recipes with a heavy visual element to them. You follow a recipe 
and you can see on the display how virtual bowls and what have you filling up 
and so on. This too added to the over all feel of the perfect bake smart scale 
giving more of the impression of being a kid’s toy than anything else. In the 
Perfect Bake Smart scale, there is an element where you can put VO focus on and 
as the weight fluctuates, VO will announce the changes, but it kind of gets 
lost with everything else on the screen. That and for me at least with this 
model, I started to get all sorts of crazy readings into the thousand of grams. 
I really didn’t play around with it much to see if I could figure out or 
correct the weird readings since I knew within a couple of days I wasn’t going 
to keep it so I just sent it back.
As far as the Drop Kitchen scale, it’s 

Re: Follow up to a posting about accessible bluetooth kitchen scales

[Penny Reeder]

Thanks so much for this information. I'm adding the Drop Kitchen Scale
to my next wish list. Thanks so much for doing all of this research
and sharing your findings.
Sincerely,
Penny

On 5/14/18, Cristóbal  wrote:
> Hello list,
>
>
>
> Towards the end of last year, I posted a sort of query/rant about Bluetooth
> kitchen scales and how I was having no luck with the MY Weigh Vox talking
> scales. No matter how careful I was, the vox scales would unfailingly crap
> out on me only after a few months at the most. At the time of that post,
> the
> two of my vox scales died within days apart of each other during the
> Christmas holidays. Being stuck without an accessible scale was not fun.
> That and they were already replacements of replacements of replacements… My
> Weigh did swap them out for me and at least that time, they didn’t even
> charge me the standard $25 fee. I just had to pay shipping for both of the
> scales to Arizona. Came out to something like $10.
>
> Anyway, the most recent Vox 3000 scale replacement I got towards the middle
> of January and this time . . . it lasted all the way to mid-March…
>
> In the meantime, I had been checking out some Bluetooth kitchen scales for
> accessible alternatives as it seems that My Weigh really is the only
> manufacturer that makes talking kitchen scales that can weigh to the gram.
> And as it appears that I’m more or less Charlie Brown when it comes to vox
> scales, I didn’t want to continue to play the swap out game for eternity.
>
> I came across two Bluetooth options. The Perfect Bake 2.0 Smart Scale:
> https://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Recipe-Kitchen-Wireless-Bluetooth/dp/B019C4PU
> OA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8
> <https://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Recipe-Kitchen-Wireless-Bluetooth/dp/B019C4P
> UOA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1526269584&sr=8-3&keywords=bluetooth+kitchen+scal
> e&dpID=51EpnAj-ZTL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch>
> &qid=1526269584&sr=8-3&keywords=bluetooth+kitchen+scale&dpID=51EpnAj-ZTL&pre
> ST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch for $20.00. as well as the Drop Scale -
> Connected
> Kitchen Scale:
> https://www.amazon.com/Drop-Scale-Connected-Step-Step/dp/B00TTY34KG/ref=sr_1
> _1?ie=UTF8
> <https://www.amazon.com/Drop-Scale-Connected-Step-Step/dp/B00TTY34KG/ref=sr_
> 1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526268636&sr=8-1&keywords=drop+bluetooth+kitchen+scale&dpID
> =31UVszDTlQL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch>
> &qid=1526268636&sr=8-1&keywords=drop+bluetooth+kitchen+scale&dpID=31UVszDTlQ
> L&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch which I got on sale for $56.00 from its
> usual $80.00. As of this posting, it looks like the Drop Kitchen scale is
> $70.00.
>
> Both devices have iOS apps. The Perfect Bake Smart scale I ended up
> returning as I found it to feel on the cheap side in regards to materials
> (it felt very plasticky and flimsy) and the paring was kind of a hassle. I
> don’t recall exactly the process, but I do remember not being able to
> figure
> out the buttons (memory serves that there were four buttons) and ended up
> calling my sighted wife to help me out. The app it was more or less
> accessible with from what I was able to gather VoiceOver reading the
> different areas, but again, the app and its layout just felt a little too
> busy for me.
>
> To be clear, both these scales and their associated apps have the main
> focus
> on interactive recipes with a heavy visual element to them. You follow a
> recipe and you can see on the display how virtual bowls and what have you
> filling up and so on. This too added to the over all feel of the perfect
> bake smart scale giving more of the impression of being a kid’s toy than
> anything else. In the Perfect Bake Smart scale, there is an element where
> you can put VO focus on and as the weight fluctuates, VO will announce the
> changes, but it kind of gets lost with everything else on the screen. That
> and for me at least with this model, I started to get all sorts of crazy
> readings into the thousand of grams. I really didn’t play around with it
> much to see if I could figure out or correct the weird readings since I
> knew
> within a couple of days I wasn’t going to keep it so I just sent it back.
>
> As far as the Drop Kitchen scale, it’s actual feel seemed more in line with
> its higher price. It is small (maybe 7 inches in diameter) with a rubbery
> surface where you would put whatever bowl or plate or any other container
> on
> it. There is one simple button that slightly sticks out of the side of the
> device and is almost like a little apostrophe or comma in a visual sense
> that you press to pare with your phone or iPad. Paring with this scale was
> super easy. The iOS app (Drop Recipes) i

Follow up to a posting about accessible bluetooth kitchen scales

[Cristóbal]

Hello list,

 

Towards the end of last year, I posted a sort of query/rant about Bluetooth
kitchen scales and how I was having no luck with the MY Weigh Vox talking
scales. No matter how careful I was, the vox scales would unfailingly crap
out on me only after a few months at the most. At the time of that post, the
two of my vox scales died within days apart of each other during the
Christmas holidays. Being stuck without an accessible scale was not fun.
That and they were already replacements of replacements of replacements… My
Weigh did swap them out for me and at least that time, they didn’t even
charge me the standard $25 fee. I just had to pay shipping for both of the
scales to Arizona. Came out to something like $10.

Anyway, the most recent Vox 3000 scale replacement I got towards the middle
of January and this time . . . it lasted all the way to mid-March… 

In the meantime, I had been checking out some Bluetooth kitchen scales for
accessible alternatives as it seems that My Weigh really is the only
manufacturer that makes talking kitchen scales that can weigh to the gram.
And as it appears that I’m more or less Charlie Brown when it comes to vox
scales, I didn’t want to continue to play the swap out game for eternity. 

I came across two Bluetooth options. The Perfect Bake 2.0 Smart Scale:
https://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Recipe-Kitchen-Wireless-Bluetooth/dp/B019C4PU
OA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8
<https://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Recipe-Kitchen-Wireless-Bluetooth/dp/B019C4P
UOA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1526269584&sr=8-3&keywords=bluetooth+kitchen+scal
e&dpID=51EpnAj-ZTL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch>
&qid=1526269584&sr=8-3&keywords=bluetooth+kitchen+scale&dpID=51EpnAj-ZTL&pre
ST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch for $20.00. as well as the Drop Scale - Connected
Kitchen Scale:
https://www.amazon.com/Drop-Scale-Connected-Step-Step/dp/B00TTY34KG/ref=sr_1
_1?ie=UTF8
<https://www.amazon.com/Drop-Scale-Connected-Step-Step/dp/B00TTY34KG/ref=sr_
1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526268636&sr=8-1&keywords=drop+bluetooth+kitchen+scale&dpID
=31UVszDTlQL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch>
&qid=1526268636&sr=8-1&keywords=drop+bluetooth+kitchen+scale&dpID=31UVszDTlQ
L&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch which I got on sale for $56.00 from its
usual $80.00. As of this posting, it looks like the Drop Kitchen scale is
$70.00.

Both devices have iOS apps. The Perfect Bake Smart scale I ended up
returning as I found it to feel on the cheap side in regards to materials
(it felt very plasticky and flimsy) and the paring was kind of a hassle. I
don’t recall exactly the process, but I do remember not being able to figure
out the buttons (memory serves that there were four buttons) and ended up
calling my sighted wife to help me out. The app it was more or less
accessible with from what I was able to gather VoiceOver reading the
different areas, but again, the app and its layout just felt a little too
busy for me. 

To be clear, both these scales and their associated apps have the main focus
on interactive recipes with a heavy visual element to them. You follow a
recipe and you can see on the display how virtual bowls and what have you
filling up and so on. This too added to the over all feel of the perfect
bake smart scale giving more of the impression of being a kid’s toy than
anything else. In the Perfect Bake Smart scale, there is an element where
you can put VO focus on and as the weight fluctuates, VO will announce the
changes, but it kind of gets lost with everything else on the screen. That
and for me at least with this model, I started to get all sorts of crazy
readings into the thousand of grams. I really didn’t play around with it
much to see if I could figure out or correct the weird readings since I knew
within a couple of days I wasn’t going to keep it so I just sent it back.

As far as the Drop Kitchen scale, it’s actual feel seemed more in line with
its higher price. It is small (maybe 7 inches in diameter) with a rubbery
surface where you would put whatever bowl or plate or any other container on
it. There is one simple button that slightly sticks out of the side of the
device and is almost like a little apostrophe or comma in a visual sense
that you press to pare with your phone or iPad. Paring with this scale was
super easy. The iOS app (Drop Recipes) is fully accessible and the first
time you launch it, you go through a couple of prompts including the paring
part which was done in a snap. 

This scale like the Perfect Bake Smart scale is again, focused on recipes,
but what this scale has that I didn’t not come across in the Perfect Bake
Smart scale was a simple scale function. When you first set up the app and
device, the default screen is the whole busy recipe section and the
different steps and so on, but you can have the scale screen be your default
which is super clean and simple. You’ve got a menu button that says
hamburger button like 

Re: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

[lenron brown]

It's a feature that's still being rolled out.

On 3/17/18, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone  wrote:
> I think this only works in the States.  In the U.K. I don't have an option
> for it in settings and my device.
>
> Martin
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of M. Taylor
> Sent: 16 March 2018 22:08
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands
>
> Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands
>
> It's easy enough to summon Alexa on one of Amazon's speakers, but when
> you've got a million things to ask the voice assistant, it can be a pain
> having to say "Hey, Alexa" over and over again. Now, Amazon has rolled out a
> new feature, which gives its Echo speakers the ability to listen to
> back-to-back commands for the assistant. When you switch on Alexa's
> Follow-up Mode, your Echo speaker will continue listening for a second
> command for a few seconds after you issue the first one -- no need to wake
> it up again by saying "Hey, Alexa." You'll know for sure if the device is
> listening if its blue indicator is on.
>
> Take note, though, that your speaker won't wait for a follow-up if it's in
> the middle of playing music or audiobooks. Also, Alexa won't respond until
> it's "confident you're speaking to" it. You'd have to talk clearly and
> audibly, otherwise it won't be able to separate what you're saying from
> background noise.
>
> You can also ensure that Alexa won't think that you're issuing follow-up
> commands when you're talking to someone else by ending the conversation:
> simply say "stop," "thank you," "cancel" or "go to sleep."
>
> If this sounds useful, because you pepper Alexa with questions and tasks,
> just fire up the voice assistant's app and head to Settings. Select the
> device you want, scroll down, toggle on the mode and you're good to go.
>
> Original Article at:
> https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/10/amazon-alexa-follow-up-mode/
>
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RE: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

['Martin Maidment' via VIPhone]

I think this only works in the States.  In the U.K. I don't have an option for 
it in settings and my device.

Martin


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M. Taylor
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

It's easy enough to summon Alexa on one of Amazon's speakers, but when you've 
got a million things to ask the voice assistant, it can be a pain having to say 
"Hey, Alexa" over and over again. Now, Amazon has rolled out a new feature, 
which gives its Echo speakers the ability to listen to back-to-back commands 
for the assistant. When you switch on Alexa's Follow-up Mode, your Echo speaker 
will continue listening for a second command for a few seconds after you issue 
the first one -- no need to wake it up again by saying "Hey, Alexa." You'll 
know for sure if the device is listening if its blue indicator is on. 

Take note, though, that your speaker won't wait for a follow-up if it's in the 
middle of playing music or audiobooks. Also, Alexa won't respond until it's 
"confident you're speaking to" it. You'd have to talk clearly and audibly, 
otherwise it won't be able to separate what you're saying from background 
noise. 

You can also ensure that Alexa won't think that you're issuing follow-up 
commands when you're talking to someone else by ending the conversation:
simply say "stop," "thank you," "cancel" or "go to sleep."

If this sounds useful, because you pepper Alexa with questions and tasks, just 
fire up the voice assistant's app and head to Settings. Select the device you 
want, scroll down, toggle on the mode and you're good to go. 

Original Article at:
https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/10/amazon-alexa-follow-up-mode/


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Re: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

[Christopher Chaltain]

True, but it only lasts for a few seconds, and if you're worried about 
Alexa listening to you you can just say stop at the end of your question 
or just not enable this feature. How would you like to see this feature 
work?



On 03/16/2018 05:48 PM, Jewel wrote:

A slightly amended Cut and paste from the below message:  "You'll know for sure 
if the device is
listening if its * blue indicator is on"  end of c&P.  and what a great help 
that is to a totally
blind user!  Should I ask the Echo if its showing a * blue light, and if it 
doesn't answer, I know
that it isn't!

   Jewel





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Subject: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

It's easy enough to summon Alexa on one of Amazon's speakers, but when
you've got a million things to ask the voice assistant, it can be a pain
having to say "Hey, Alexa" over and over again. Now, Amazon has rolled out a
new feature, which gives its Echo speakers the ability to listen to
back-to-back commands for the assistant. When you switch on Alexa's
Follow-up Mode, your Echo speaker will continue listening for a second
command for a few seconds after you issue the first one -- no need to wake
it up again by saying "Hey, Alexa." You'll know for sure if the device is
listening if its blue indicator is on.

Take note, though, that your speaker won't wait for a follow-up if it's in
the middle of playing music or audiobooks. Also, Alexa won't respond until
it's "confident you're speaking to" it. You'd have to talk clearly and
audibly, otherwise it won't be able to separate what you're saying from
background noise.

You can also ensure that Alexa won't think that you're issuing follow-up
commands when you're talking to someone else by ending the conversation:
simply say "stop," "thank you," "cancel" or "go to sleep."

If this sounds useful, because you pepper Alexa with questions and tasks,
just fire up the voice assistant's app and head to Settings. Select the
device you want, scroll down, toggle on the mode and you're good to go.

Original Article at:
https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/10/amazon-alexa-follow-up-mode/




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Re: Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

[Jewel]

A slightly amended Cut and paste from the below message:  "You'll know for sure 
if the device is
listening if its * blue indicator is on"  end of c&P.  and what a great help 
that is to a totally 
blind user!  Should I ask the Echo if its showing a * blue light, and if it 
doesn't answer, I know 
that it isn't!

  Jewel





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Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

It's easy enough to summon Alexa on one of Amazon's speakers, but when
you've got a million things to ask the voice assistant, it can be a pain
having to say "Hey, Alexa" over and over again. Now, Amazon has rolled out a
new feature, which gives its Echo speakers the ability to listen to
back-to-back commands for the assistant. When you switch on Alexa's
Follow-up Mode, your Echo speaker will continue listening for a second
command for a few seconds after you issue the first one -- no need to wake
it up again by saying "Hey, Alexa." You'll know for sure if the device is
listening if its blue indicator is on.

Take note, though, that your speaker won't wait for a follow-up if it's in
the middle of playing music or audiobooks. Also, Alexa won't respond until
it's "confident you're speaking to" it. You'd have to talk clearly and
audibly, otherwise it won't be able to separate what you're saying from
background noise.

You can also ensure that Alexa won't think that you're issuing follow-up
commands when you're talking to someone else by ending the conversation:
simply say "stop," "thank you," "cancel" or "go to sleep."

If this sounds useful, because you pepper Alexa with questions and tasks,
just fire up the voice assistant's app and head to Settings. Select the
device you want, scroll down, toggle on the mode and you're good to go.

Original Article at:
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Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

[M. Taylor]

Amazon makes it easier to give Alexa follow-up commands

It's easy enough to summon Alexa on one of Amazon's speakers, but when
you've got a million things to ask the voice assistant, it can be a pain
having to say "Hey, Alexa" over and over again. Now, Amazon has rolled out a
new feature, which gives its Echo speakers the ability to listen to
back-to-back commands for the assistant. When you switch on Alexa's
Follow-up Mode, your Echo speaker will continue listening for a second
command for a few seconds after you issue the first one -- no need to wake
it up again by saying "Hey, Alexa." You'll know for sure if the device is
listening if its blue indicator is on. 

Take note, though, that your speaker won't wait for a follow-up if it's in
the middle of playing music or audiobooks. Also, Alexa won't respond until
it's "confident you're speaking to" it. You'd have to talk clearly and
audibly, otherwise it won't be able to separate what you're saying from
background noise. 

You can also ensure that Alexa won't think that you're issuing follow-up
commands when you're talking to someone else by ending the conversation:
simply say "stop," "thank you," "cancel" or "go to sleep."

If this sounds useful, because you pepper Alexa with questions and tasks,
just fire up the voice assistant's app and head to Settings. Select the
device you want, scroll down, toggle on the mode and you're good to go. 

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https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/10/amazon-alexa-follow-up-mode/


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A follow up to my earlier email about a disappearing keyboard in iOS

[Cristóbal]

Hello list,

So a few days ago, I had emailed the list regarding an issue I was having
with the keyboard disappearing in iOS. Be it in dictation or with in my
case, touch typing. It only started since upgrading in iOS 11.X.

I called Apple accessibility and explained my issue. I did think at first it
was perhaps a new feature with V 11.X, but as I found it to be so disruptive
with my usual way of interacting with the keyboard, I thought maybe it
really was a bug or maybe a setting I had overlooked that I could hopefully
change. 

In any event, the Accessibility rep did confirm that it was a new behavior
in iOS 11. That if one engaged the dictation with the two finger double tap
in the edit field and did the same to stop dictation, the keyboard would
remain. Indeed, we tried this and at least while on the phone with him, the
keyboard maintained its presence. 

I am quite nearly certain that the keyboard had disappeared on me when touch
typing and with the two finger double tap, but as I couldn’t reproduce it
with him at that time in that way… However, when double tapping the little
dictate button next to the spacebar made the keyboard disappear every single
time. 

I expressed my frustration with this new behavior as with an iPhone at
least, having to use the two finger double tap to start/stop dictation
almost forces one to use the phone with two hands rather than just one
(usually the thumb for me) making the convenience of a one handed device
moot. 

There are so many times in a day where one interacts with their iPhone. I
would guess in the hundreds if you take the time to consider all the texts,
queries, replies, status updates and so on and all the times you have to go
back and spell check. Not to mention if you have to pronounce words in
another language. Be it a name, nickname, city, etc. Plus all the other
scenarios of ambient noise or dictation simply being wrong. This new
step/feature was really becoming annoying and disruptive with its one extra
step now having to double tap on the keyboard button to bring it back every
single time if you didn’t use the two finger double tap to start/stop
dictation.

Anyway… as you can see, for me at least who uses my phones for personal as
well as for business purposes, it’s really impacted the way I use my phone.
I’m for now trying to remember to do the double finger tap for dictation,
but not only is muscle memory a hassle, but it’s just awkward and not as
convenient than just using the thumb of the hand that you’re holding the
phone in to start/stop dictation. 

The Apple rep said that feedback is welcome and if it’s an issue they hear
enough about, it may be something they would consider for the future.
Improving the user experience, etc. Even a simple toggle to enable or
disable this behavior would be appreciated since I guess on an iPad, it may
be a more natural way to engage dictation. 

So… if you’re like me where this one seemingly little change with the
keyboard on iOS 11 is making itself quite noticeable and not in a good way,
I would encourage you to reach out to Apple or the accessibility team to let
them know your frustrations as well.

Thanks,

Cristobal

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RE: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is located in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I assume if they know of a work-around then they will give you the information, 
I have had this happen to me before, if you are reporting a bug which they were 
not aware of then you usually get the generic answer that it will be forwarded 
to the appropriate team.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is located 
in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812

Hi richard,
I too was surprised that they actually gave an answer you could do something 
with. I wish they would do that more often.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Thanks Mary,
I’m impressed they gave a solid answer instead of simply we’ll forward this on 
to the appropriate team.

At least that looks like a good work around for now.

Richard


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Subject: Fwd: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is 
located in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812

Hi all,
I got this from Apple accessibility today. I thought it could be of interest to 
folks.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: Apple Accessibility 
mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Date: November 6, 2017 at 2:13:24 PM PST
To: motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is located 
in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812
Hello Mary,

Thank you for writing to Apple Accessibility. In our testing, we were able to 
drop an app in a folder on the dock by using the following steps:
After starting Edit Mode, select the app to be dragged and select the Drag 
option
Navigate to the folder on the dock and select the Activate action to open the 
folder
If the folder opens to a blank page, swipe right with three fingers to navigate 
back to the first page of apps within the folder
Select the location for the app and choose the Drop option.

We recognize that this behavior is different from how items are dropped in 
folders that are not on the dock. We will report this issue to the appropriate 
team.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility

On November 02, 2017 at 13:15:34 PM GMT, 
motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com> wrote:



Using voiceover on and I OS 11.1 iPhone 7 Plus, I am not able to drag 
applications into a folder if that folder is in the dock. If I move the folder 
from the dock onto the screen, that is whatever page I’m on, I can then move 
apps into that folder and then move the folder back into the dock. But while 
the folder is in the dock, I cannot move apps to it. This is true for all 
folders, not just one strange one.
Mary


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Re: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is located in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812

[Mary Otten]

Hi richard,
I too was surprised that they actually gave an answer you could do something 
with. I wish they would do that more often.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Mary,
> I’m impressed they gave a solid answer instead of simply we’ll forward this 
> on to the appropriate team.
>  
> At least that looks like a good work around for now.
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
> mac4thebl...@freelists.org
> Subject: Fwd: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is 
> located in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812
>  
> Hi all,
> I got this from Apple accessibility today. I thought it could be of interest 
> to folks.
> Mary
> 
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Apple Accessibility 
> Date: November 6, 2017 at 2:13:24 PM PST
> To: motte...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is 
> located in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812
> 
> Hello Mary,
> 
> Thank you for writing to Apple Accessibility. In our testing, we were able to 
> drop an app in a folder on the dock by using the following steps:
> After starting Edit Mode, select the app to be dragged and select the Drag 
> option
> Navigate to the folder on the dock and select the Activate action to open the 
> folder
> If the folder opens to a blank page, swipe right with three fingers to 
> navigate back to the first page of apps within the folder
> Select the location for the app and choose the Drop option.
> 
> We recognize that this behavior is different from how items are dropped in 
> folders that are not on the dock. We will report this issue to the 
> appropriate team.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Apple Accessibility 
> 
> On November 02, 2017 at 13:15:34 PM GMT, motte...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Using voiceover on and I OS 11.1 iPhone 7 Plus, I am not able to drag 
> applications into a folder if that folder is in the dock. If I move the 
> folder from the dock onto the screen, that is whatever page I’m on, I can 
> then move apps into that folder and then move the folder back into the dock. 
> But while the folder is in the dock, I cannot move apps to it. This is true 
> for all folders, not just one strange one.
> Mary
>  
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is located in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Mary,
I’m impressed they gave a solid answer instead of simply we’ll forward this on 
to the appropriate team.

At least that looks like a good work around for now.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 4:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; 
mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: Fwd: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is 
located in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812

Hi all,
I got this from Apple accessibility today. I thought it could be of interest to 
folks.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: Apple Accessibility 
mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Date: November 6, 2017 at 2:13:24 PM PST
To: motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is located 
in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812
Hello Mary,

Thank you for writing to Apple Accessibility. In our testing, we were able to 
drop an app in a folder on the dock by using the following steps:
After starting Edit Mode, select the app to be dragged and select the Drag 
option
Navigate to the folder on the dock and select the Activate action to open the 
folder
If the folder opens to a blank page, swipe right with three fingers to navigate 
back to the first page of apps within the folder
Select the location for the app and choose the Drop option.

We recognize that this behavior is different from how items are dropped in 
folders that are not on the dock. We will report this issue to the appropriate 
team.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility

On November 02, 2017 at 13:15:34 PM GMT, 
motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com> wrote:


Using voiceover on and I OS 11.1 iPhone 7 Plus, I am not able to drag 
applications into a folder if that folder is in the dock. If I move the folder 
from the dock onto the screen, that is whatever page I’m on, I can then move 
apps into that folder and then move the folder back into the dock. But while 
the folder is in the dock, I cannot move apps to it. This is true for all 
folders, not just one strange one.
Mary


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RE: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is located in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812

[M. Taylor]

Thank you for posting this, Mary.

Mark

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Subject: Fwd: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is 
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Hi all,
I got this from Apple accessibility today. I thought it could be of interest to 
folks.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: Apple Accessibility 
Date: November 6, 2017 at 2:13:24 PM PST
To: motte...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is located 
in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812
Hello Mary,

Thank you for writing to Apple Accessibility. In our testing, we were able to 
drop an app in a folder on the dock by using the following steps:
After starting Edit Mode, select the app to be dragged and select the Drag 
option
Navigate to the folder on the dock and select the Activate action to open the 
folder
If the folder opens to a blank page, swipe right with three fingers to navigate 
back to the first page of apps within the folder
Select the location for the app and choose the Drop option.

We recognize that this behavior is different from how items are dropped in 
folders that are not on the dock. We will report this issue to the appropriate 
team.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility 

On November 02, 2017 at 13:15:34 PM GMT, motte...@gmail.com wrote:


Using voiceover on and I OS 11.1 iPhone 7 Plus, I am not able to drag 
applications into a folder if that folder is in the dock. If I move the folder 
from the dock onto the screen, that is whatever page I’m on, I can then move 
apps into that folder and then move the folder back into the dock. But while 
the folder is in the dock, I cannot move apps to it. This is true for all 
folders, not just one strange one.
Mary


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Fwd: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is located in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
I got this from Apple accessibility today. I thought it could be of interest to 
folks.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Apple Accessibility 
> Date: November 6, 2017 at 2:13:24 PM PST
> To: motte...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Bug in iOS 11.1: unable to drag apps into a folder that is 
> located in the iPhone dock; Follow-up: 677131812
> 
> Hello Mary,
> 
> Thank you for writing to Apple Accessibility. In our testing, we were able to 
> drop an app in a folder on the dock by using the following steps:
> After starting Edit Mode, select the app to be dragged and select the Drag 
> option
> Navigate to the folder on the dock and select the Activate action to open the 
> folder
> If the folder opens to a blank page, swipe right with three fingers to 
> navigate back to the first page of apps within the folder
> Select the location for the app and choose the Drop option.
> 
> We recognize that this behavior is different from how items are dropped in 
> folders that are not on the dock. We will report this issue to the 
> appropriate team.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Apple Accessibility 
> 
>> On November 02, 2017 at 13:15:34 PM GMT, motte...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Using voiceover on and I OS 11.1 iPhone 7 Plus, I am not able to drag 
>> applications into a folder if that folder is in the dock. If I move the 
>> folder from the dock onto the screen, that is whatever page I’m on, I can 
>> then move apps into that folder and then move the folder back into the dock. 
>> But while the folder is in the dock, I cannot move apps to it. This is true 
>> for all folders, not just one strange one.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 

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Re: [Mosen Consulting Announcement] Follow-up on the actions rotor in Apple's Mail for iOS

[Lenron Brown]

So glad they fixed this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2017, at 10:10 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Apple has acted pretty fast on this one and just as Jonathan and most 
> others I was quite vocal about this issue both in writing to Apple 
> Accessibility and in making the argument here on the list. I am running the 
> iOS 11.1 public beta and just that day before public beta 2 came out 
> (yesterday later in the day) I had accidently deleted at least 3 emails and 
> each time I was sort of grinding my teeth at this nonsensicle change. I know 
> 2 or 3 people thought all of us were just winers who should just get with the 
> program and be happy with what Apple throws us, but I think Jonathan 
> explained how this is not the case.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Angela L Griffith
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:16 AM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Fwd: [Mosen Consulting Announcement] Follow-up on the actions rotor 
> in Apple's Mail for iOS
>  
> Begin forwarded message:
>  
> From: "Jonathan Mosen" 
> Date: October 9, 2017 at 11:52:41 PM PDT
> To: 
> Subject: [Mosen Consulting Announcement] Follow-up on the actions rotor in 
> Apple's Mail for iOS
> 
> Sincere thanks to everyone who took the time to provide feedback to Apple. 
> I’m thrilled to be able to publish the following post.
> http://mosen.org/cupertino-thank-you-for-listening/
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RE: [Mosen Consulting Announcement] Follow-up on the actions rotor in Apple's Mail for iOS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, Apple has acted pretty fast on this one and just as Jonathan and most 
others I was quite vocal about this issue both in writing to Apple 
Accessibility and in making the argument here on the list. I am running the iOS 
11.1 public beta and just that day before public beta 2 came out (yesterday 
later in the day) I had accidently deleted at least 3 emails and each time I 
was sort of grinding my teeth at this nonsensicle change. I know 2 or 3 people 
thought all of us were just winers who should just get with the program and be 
happy with what Apple throws us, but I think Jonathan explained how this is not 
the case.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Angela L Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:16 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Fwd: [Mosen Consulting Announcement] Follow-up on the actions rotor in 
Apple's Mail for iOS

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Jonathan Mosen" mailto:jonat...@mosen.org>>
Date: October 9, 2017 at 11:52:41 PM PDT
To: mailto:announceme...@lists.mosen.org>>
Subject: [Mosen Consulting Announcement] Follow-up on the actions rotor in 
Apple's Mail for iOS
Sincere thanks to everyone who took the time to provide feedback to Apple. I’m 
thrilled to be able to publish the following post.
http://mosen.org/cupertino-thank-you-for-listening/

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Fwd: [Mosen Consulting Announcement] Follow-up on the actions rotor in Apple's Mail for iOS

[Angela L Griffith]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Jonathan Mosen" 
> Date: October 9, 2017 at 11:52:41 PM PDT
> To: 
> Subject: [Mosen Consulting Announcement] Follow-up on the actions rotor in 
> Apple's Mail for iOS
> 
> Sincere thanks to everyone who took the time to provide feedback to Apple. 
> I’m thrilled to be able to publish the following post.
> http://mosen.org/cupertino-thank-you-for-listening/
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How to see the list of those you follow in Twitterrific

[Mary Otten]

I have been using the Twitterrific app for a long time. And I guess I have 
never really wanted to see the list of the folks I follow. But now I do, 
because there's way too much political stuff and it's making me sick frankly. 
So, is there a way to find out whom you follow and then to on follow certain 
accounts if you wish to.
Mary


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Fwd: Voiceover crashing; Follow-up: 654625930

[Nancy Badger]

Here is the response I got from Apple Accessability regarding voice over 
crashing. Thought those of you having the same problem might like to do this as 
well. Let's give them some more info.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Apple Accessibility 
> Date: December 14, 2016 at 9:01:21 AM EST
> To: nancybad...@icloud.com
> Subject: Re: Voiceover crashing; Follow-up: 654625930
> 
> Hello, 
> Thank you for your email. We would like to gather some additional information 
> on this. In order to do that we would like to gather some stack shots. 
> Please do the following:
> The next time it happens press the home button and either of the volume 
> buttons simultaneously.
> Let up on the buttons wait a little bit (a 10 count should be fine) then do 
> it again. Repeat this one more time.  
> 
> Connect your iPhone to a computer and sync it.
> The logs and stackshots will transfer to the computer during the sync. If you 
> have multiple iOS devices, we only require logs from the affected device. 
> Logs will be contained in a folder with the device’s name. Compress the 
> folder and send it to us. 
>  
> For Mac OS X systems:
> Connect your iPhone and sync it in iTunes. 
> In the Finder press command+Shift+G and navigate to 
> ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/MobileDevice/
> 
> For Windows system:
> Connect your iPhone and sync it in iTunes.
> Windows Vista & later: the crash logs are in 
> C:\Users\USER\AppData\Roaming\Apple 
> computer\Logs\CrashReporter\MobileDevice\device name
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
> http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/
> 
>> On December 14, 2016 at 03:20:08 AM GMT, nancybad...@icloud.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Voiceover is silent. However you still have to do double taps to get things 
>> to work. So, you can't hear the voice but the voiceover gestures still work. 
>> What I have to do is turn off voiceover by using the home key and then turn 
>> it back on again. Others on the list serve have been able to turn voice over 
>> back on and off with Siri. I have not tried that. We have figured out that 
>> it is not about the volume of the voice. We have tried all different ways to 
>> turn the volume up through Settings and through the buttons. It happened to 
>> me again today after I got done with a phone call. I had to use the hunky to 
>> turn voiceover off and then back on again. The only way I can think to 
>> replicate it is two and a call and see if VoiceOver still works. The other 
>> idea is to use Siri and then see if VoiceOver still works after using Siri. 
>> By the way, I am using an iPhone 6 Plus. People on the list have been using 
>> iPhone 7, I phone six s. There were about 20 people on the thread discussing 
>> this. So I will be very surprised if I am the only one writing to you about 
>> it. Thank you so much!
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
>> UT Chattanooga
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
>> 
>>>  On Dec 13, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Apple Accessibility 
>>>  wrote:
>>>  
>>>  Hello, 
>>>  Thank you for your email. Can you provide some specifics? What exactly 
>>> happens? Does VO just go silent? Are there any other symptoms you can 
>>> describe? 
>>>  What steps are needed to bring back VO functionality? 
>>>  Are there steps that can be followed to replicate the issue? 
>>>  
>>>  Apple Accessibility
>>>  
>>>  For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>>>  http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
>>>  https://support.apple.com/accessibility
>>>  
>>>>  On December 12, 2016 at 23:24:51 PM GMT, nancybad...@icloud.com wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>  Hello,
>>>>  I have a feeling you are hearing about this from several people. Several 
>>>> people on my list serve are talking about it. For those of us using iOS, 
>>>> 10.1, voiceover is crashing at different times. Some people have 
>>>> identified that it crashes after they end a phone call. Others have said 
>>>> that it crashes after using Siri. I have experienced both of these issues, 
>>>> and it has also crashed on me after I got done listening to tune in radio. 
>>>> Thank you for your attention. I am u

Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328

[Rajmund]

Hi,

Just a quick note, it happens with thread view, so in answer to that,  no, it 
doesn't happen because of the threading. As for the 2 finger swipe down, that 
didn't work for me, when I tried. 



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Debby  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 8:15 pm
Subject: RE: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad 
only); Follow-up: 651292328

>
>
> I have an iPad Air 2. I like the idea of what Apple did with the mail in 
> OS10, but the execution is weird. I miss the two-finger swipe up for reading. 
> Is it possible that it is gone because of the way the messages are threaded? 
> Also, When I open a message it will start reading, but stop when it gets to a 
> break. Then I have to find the beginning of the message and do a two-finger 
> swipe down. Reading mail on my iPad is definitely not comfortable and takes 
> more time.
> 
> Also, a lot of times when I open a thread focus  goes to the last message in 
> the thread instead of the first. For instance, if a thread has 12 messages, I 
> will hear message "12 of 12. Instead of "1 of 12." So I either have to swipe 
> back through the messages to get to the top or go to the status bar and do a 
> two-finger double tap. Again more time consumption.
> 
> Yes, I do need to send a note to Apple Accessibility.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kimber Gardner
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email 
> (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328
> 
> I've reported this iOS10 bug with every beta release. I no longer read mail 
> on my iPad because of it.
> 
> On 11/1/16, Rajmund  wrote:
> > Hi John,
> > Please do try it, as we say, IOS10 broke the expected feature.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from a Braille Sense
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: John Panarese  
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 5:08 pm
> > Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading 
> > email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, my point is they are saying, feature request, but it's expected 
> >> behavior to have the message read. I will have to try it on my iPad 
> >> when I am back in the office.
> >>
> >>
> >> Take Care
> >>
> >> John D. Panarese
> >> Director
> >> Mac for the Blind
> >> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> >>
> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
> >>
> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> >>
> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi John,
> >> > In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open 
> >> > an email and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the 
> >> > message is red.. In iOS 10, including with the beta before the 
> >> > final release, the result for the iPhone is the same. The result 
> >> > for the iPad is as described in the email thatRajmund sent. This is 
> >> > clear and simply a regression, and Apple should fix it as a bug, 
> >> > not market down as a feature request. I too reported on this 
> >> > regression during the beta cycle and after the first public release 
> >> > to know avail. I have verified this behavior on three iPads, my own 
> >> > mini two, a friend's mini two, and my husbands iPad Air. My friend 
> >> > and my husband are not regular voiceover users, but turning on 
> >> > voiceover and doing the steps as outlined results in the behavior 
> >> > described. This should be easy to duplicate, and they need to fix 
> >> > it. I basically don't use my iPad for mail anymore because of this.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese  >> > <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Feature request? Aren't you describing the expected behavior of 
> >> >> VoiceOver with the two finger swipe gesture?
> >> >>
> >> >

RE: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328

[Debby]

I have an iPad Air 2. I like the idea of what Apple did with the mail in OS10, 
but the execution is weird. I miss the two-finger swipe up for reading. Is it 
possible that it is gone because of the way the messages are threaded? Also, 
When I open a message it will start reading, but stop when it gets to a break. 
Then I have to find the beginning of the message and do a two-finger swipe 
down. Reading mail on my iPad is definitely not comfortable and takes more time.

Also, a lot of times when I open a thread focus  goes to the last message in 
the thread instead of the first. For instance, if a thread has 12 messages, I 
will hear message "12 of 12. Instead of "1 of 12." So I either have to swipe 
back through the messages to get to the top or go to the status bar and do a 
two-finger double tap. Again more time consumption.

Yes, I do need to send a note to Apple Accessibility.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimber Gardner
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 3:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad 
only); Follow-up: 651292328

I've reported this iOS10 bug with every beta release. I no longer read mail on 
my iPad because of it.

On 11/1/16, Rajmund  wrote:
> Hi John,
> Please do try it, as we say, IOS10 broke the expected feature.
>
>
>
> Sent from a Braille Sense
>
> - Original Message -
> From: John Panarese  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 5:08 pm
> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading 
> email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328
>
>>
>>
>> Yes, my point is they are saying, feature request, but it's expected 
>> behavior to have the message read. I will have to try it on my iPad 
>> when I am back in the office.
>>
>>
>> Take Care
>>
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
>>
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi John,
>> > In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open 
>> > an email and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the 
>> > message is red.. In iOS 10, including with the beta before the 
>> > final release, the result for the iPhone is the same. The result 
>> > for the iPad is as described in the email thatRajmund sent. This is 
>> > clear and simply a regression, and Apple should fix it as a bug, 
>> > not market down as a feature request. I too reported on this 
>> > regression during the beta cycle and after the first public release 
>> > to know avail. I have verified this behavior on three iPads, my own 
>> > mini two, a friend's mini two, and my husbands iPad Air. My friend 
>> > and my husband are not regular voiceover users, but turning on 
>> > voiceover and doing the steps as outlined results in the behavior 
>> > described. This should be easy to duplicate, and they need to fix 
>> > it. I basically don't use my iPad for mail anymore because of this.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese > > <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Feature request? Aren't you describing the expected behavior of 
>> >> VoiceOver with the two finger swipe gesture?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Take Care
>> >>
>> >> John D. Panarese
>> >> Director
>> >> Mac for the Blind
>> >> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> 
>> >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
>> >> <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>> >>
>> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
>> >>
>> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> >>
>> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund > >>> <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorr

Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328

[Kimber Gardner]

I've reported this iOS10 bug with every beta release. I no longer read
mail on my iPad because of it.

On 11/1/16, Rajmund  wrote:
> Hi John,
> Please do try it, as we say, IOS10 broke the expected feature.
>
>
>
> Sent from a Braille Sense
>
> - Original Message -
> From: John Panarese  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 5:08 pm
> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email
> (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328
>
>>
>>
>> Yes, my point is they are saying, feature request, but it's expected
>> behavior to have the message read. I will have to try it on my iPad when I
>> am back in the office.
>>
>>
>> Take Care
>>
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
>>
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi John,
>> > In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open an
>> > email and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the message
>> > is red.. In iOS 10, including with the beta before the final release,
>> > the result for the iPhone is the same. The result for the iPad is as
>> > described in the email thatRajmund sent. This is clear and simply a
>> > regression, and Apple should fix it as a bug, not market down as a
>> > feature request. I too reported on this regression during the beta cycle
>> > and after the first public release to know avail. I have verified this
>> > behavior on three iPads, my own mini two, a friend's mini two, and my
>> > husbands iPad Air. My friend and my husband are not regular voiceover
>> > users, but turning on voiceover and doing the steps as outlined results
>> > in the behavior described. This should be easy to duplicate, and they
>> > need to fix it. I basically don't use my iPad for mail anymore because
>> > of this.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese > > <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Feature request? Aren't you describing the expected behavior of
>> >> VoiceOver with the two finger swipe gesture?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Take Care
>> >>
>> >> John D. Panarese
>> >> Director
>> >> Mac for the Blind
>> >> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
>> >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> >> <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>> >>
>> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
>> >>
>> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> >>
>> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund > >>> <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language.
>> >>> Third, just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please,
>> >>> everyone, write them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this
>> >>> reminds me of when trying to write humanware tech support, they were
>> >>> just as bad. And these make it out so that you don't reply. They used
>> >>> to be better, I'm sure. Anyway, here it comes.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from an iPad Air
>> >>>
>> >>> Begin forwarded message:
>> >>>
>> >>>> From: Apple Accessibility > >>>> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
>> >>>> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT
>> >>>> To: brajmund2...@gmail.com <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading
>> >>>> email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank

Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328

[Rajmund]

Hi John,
Please do try it, as we say, IOS10 broke the expected feature. 



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: John Panarese  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad 
only); Follow-up: 651292328

>
>
> Yes, my point is they are saying, feature request, but it's expected behavior 
> to have the message read. I will have to try it on my iPad when I am back in 
> the office.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi John,
> > In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open an email 
> > and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the message is red.. 
> > In iOS 10, including with the beta before the final release, the result for 
> > the iPhone is the same. The result for the iPad is as described in the 
> > email thatRajmund sent. This is clear and simply a regression, and Apple 
> > should fix it as a bug, not market down as a feature request. I too 
> > reported on this regression during the beta cycle and after the first 
> > public release to know avail. I have verified this behavior on three iPads, 
> > my own mini two, a friend's mini two, and my husbands iPad Air. My friend 
> > and my husband are not regular voiceover users, but turning on voiceover 
> > and doing the steps as outlined results in the behavior described. This 
> > should be easy to duplicate, and they need to fix it. I basically don't use 
> > my iPad for mail anymore because of this.
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese  > <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> >>Feature request? Aren't you describing the expected behavior of 
> >> VoiceOver with the two finger swipe gesture?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Take Care
> >> 
> >> John D. Panarese
> >> Director
> >> Mac for the Blind
> >> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
> >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
> >> 
> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
> >> 
> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> >> 
> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund  >>> <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi,
> >>> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. 
> >>> Third, just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, 
> >>> everyone, write them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this 
> >>> reminds me of when trying to write humanware tech support, they were just 
> >>> as bad. And these make it out so that you don't reply. They used to be 
> >>> better, I'm sure. Anyway, here it comes. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from an iPad Air
> >>> 
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>> 
> >>>> From: Apple Accessibility  >>>> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
> >>>> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT
> >>>> To: brajmund2...@gmail.com <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading 
> >>>> email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior. 
> >>>> We appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate group 
> >>>> as a feature request.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sincerely,
> >>>> 
> >>>> Apple Accessibility
> >>>> 
> >>>> On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, brajmund2...@gmail.com 
> >>>> <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Hi,
&g

Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328

[Rajmund]

Hi Mary,
3 of your iPads, my iPad air, a friend's mini 2, the same friend's air, 
someone's pro on list, and I could go on and on. I also reported it once or 
twice, but after seeing it still present in the 10.1 beta cycle, I reverted it. 
Unfortunately, you can't, now. So, I'm waiting for the day (I doubt that it 
will come) when the email app is usable, and I can upgrade. 



Sent from a Braille Sense 

- Original Message -
From: Mary Otten  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad 
only); Follow-up: 651292328

>
>
> Hi John,
> In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open an email 
> and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the message is red. In 
> iOS 10, including with the beta before the final release, the result for the 
> iPhone is the same. The result for the iPad is as described in the email 
> thatRajmund sent. This is clear and simply a regression, and Apple should fix 
> it as a bug, not market down as a feature request. I too reported on this 
> regression during the beta cycle and after the first public release to know 
> avail. I have verified this behavior on three iPads, my own mini two, a 
> friend's mini two, and my husbands iPad Air. My friend and my husband are not 
> regular voiceover users, but turning on voiceover and doing the steps as 
> outlined results in the behavior described. This should be easy to duplicate, 
> and they need to fix it. I basically don't use my iPad for mail anymore 
> because of this.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> > 
> >Feature request? Aren't you describing the expected behavior of 
> > VoiceOver with the two finger swipe gesture?
> > 
> > 
> > Take Care
> > 
> > John D. Panarese
> > Director
> > Mac for the Blind
> > Tel, (631) 724-4479
> > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> > 
> > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
> > 
> > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> > 
> > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. 
> >> Third, just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, 
> >> everyone, write them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this 
> >> reminds me of when trying to write humanware tech support, they were just 
> >> as bad. And these make it out so that you don't reply. They used to be 
> >> better, I'm sure. Anyway, here it comes. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sent from an iPad Air
> >> 
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >> 
> >>> From: Apple Accessibility 
> >>> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT
> >>> To: brajmund2...@gmail.com
> >>> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email 
> >>> (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328
> >>> 
> >>> Hello,
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior.. 
> >>> We appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate group 
> >>> as a feature request.
> >>> 
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>> 
> >>> Apple Accessibility
> >>> 
> >>>> On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, brajmund2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any sized iPad, 
> >>>> (it works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) for a voiceover user, 
> >>>> email is reckless. IT's so horribly screwed, that I had to spend a day 
> >>>> downgrading, so that I only have to put up with the bug, where voiceover 
> >>>> dies miserably after sending an email. This has cost my iMessages to be 
> >>>> lost since December of this year, and my entire facetime history. 
> >>>> Needless to say, not pleased at all. I have also sent a couple of bug 
> >>>> reports during the beta cycle, but it never got rectified. Having said 
> >>>> that, here are some, what I hope easy enough steps to reproduce, and fix 
> >>>> at last, so that I don't akeep having to reject the update. 
> >>>> 1) G

Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328

[John Panarese]

   Yes, my point is they are saying, feature request, but it’s expected 
behavior to have the message read. I will have to try it on my iPad when I am 
back in the office.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



> On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:02 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open an email 
> and do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the message is red. In 
> iOS 10, including with the beta before the final release, the result for the 
> iPhone is the same. The result for the iPad is as described in the email 
> thatRajmund sent. This is clear and simply a regression, and Apple should fix 
> it as a bug, not market down as a feature request. I too reported on this 
> regression during the beta cycle and after the first public release to know 
> avail. I have verified this behavior on three iPads, my own mini two, a 
> friend's mini two, and my husbands iPad Air. My friend and my husband are not 
> regular voiceover users, but turning on voiceover and doing the steps as 
> outlined results in the behavior described. This should be easy to duplicate, 
> and they need to fix it. I basically don't use my iPad for mail anymore 
> because of this.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese  <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>>Feature request? Aren’t you describing the expected behavior of VoiceOver 
>> with the two finger swipe gesture?
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund >> <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. 
>>> Third, just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, 
>>> everyone, write them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this 
>>> reminds me of when trying to write humanware tech support, they were just 
>>> as bad. And these make it out so that you don't reply. They used to be 
>>> better, I'm sure. Anyway, here it comes. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from an iPad Air
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Apple Accessibility >>> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
>>>> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT
>>>> To: brajmund2...@gmail.com <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email 
>>>> (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior. 
>>>> We appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate group 
>>>> as a feature request.
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>> Apple Accessibility
>>>> 
>>>> On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, brajmund2...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any sized iPad, 
>>>>> (it works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) for a voiceover user, 
>>>>> email is reckless. IT's so horribly screwed, that I had to spend a day 
>>>>> downgrading, so that I only have to put up with the bug, where voiceover 
>>>>> dies miserably after sending an email. This has cost my iMessages to be 
>>>>> lost since December of this year, and my entire facetime history. 
>>>>> Needless to say, not pleased at all. I have also sent a couple of bug 
>>>>> reports during the beta cycle, but it never got rectified. Having said 
>>>>> that, here are some, what I hope easy enough steps to reproduce, and fix 
>>>>> at last, so 

Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328

[Mary Otten]

Hi John,
In a word, no. On iOS 9, with an iPhone or an iPad, you could open an email and 
do a two finger swipe up. The result? The body of the message is red. In iOS 
10, including with the beta before the final release, the result for the iPhone 
is the same. The result for the iPad is as described in the email thatRajmund 
sent. This is clear and simply a regression, and Apple should fix it as a bug, 
not market down as a feature request. I too reported on this regression during 
the beta cycle and after the first public release to know avail. I have 
verified this behavior on three iPads, my own mini two, a friend's mini two, 
and my husbands iPad Air. My friend and my husband are not regular voiceover 
users, but turning on voiceover and doing the steps as outlined results in the 
behavior described. This should be easy to duplicate, and they need to fix it. 
I basically don't use my iPad for mail anymore because of this.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>Feature request? Aren’t you describing the expected behavior of VoiceOver 
> with the two finger swipe gesture?
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. 
>> Third, just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, everyone, 
>> write them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this reminds me of 
>> when trying to write humanware tech support, they were just as bad. And 
>> these make it out so that you don't reply. They used to be better, I'm sure. 
>> Anyway, here it comes. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from an iPad Air
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Apple Accessibility 
>>> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT
>>> To: brajmund2...@gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email 
>>> (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior. We 
>>> appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate group as a 
>>> feature request.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Apple Accessibility
>>> 
>>>> On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, brajmund2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any sized iPad, 
>>>> (it works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) for a voiceover user, 
>>>> email is reckless. IT's so horribly screwed, that I had to spend a day 
>>>> downgrading, so that I only have to put up with the bug, where voiceover 
>>>> dies miserably after sending an email. This has cost my iMessages to be 
>>>> lost since December of this year, and my entire facetime history. Needless 
>>>> to say, not pleased at all. I have also sent a couple of bug reports 
>>>> during the beta cycle, but it never got rectified. Having said that, here 
>>>> are some, what I hope easy enough steps to reproduce, and fix at last, so 
>>>> that I don't akeep having to reject the update. 
>>>> 1) Get an iPad, preferably running a public version, so that whoever 
>>>> reproduces this, if they do at all, they can't just say that it doesn't 
>>>> work in  the beta.
>>>> 2) Have an active email account set up, so there's actually something to 
>>>> read. (I can easily get someone to supply an audio demonstration). 
>>>> 3) Turn on voice over.
>>>> 4) Open the email, find an email, and double tap on it. '5) Flick up or 
>>>> down with 2 fingers, honestly, it doesn't matter, they both are just as 
>>>> big of a failure. 
>>>> 6) You will hear: mail boxes back button, if doing a 2 finger flick up. If 
>>>> down, you will hear compose, filter messages, in other words, everything 
>>>> but the actual text of the message. On the phone, or IOS9, the iPad was 
>>>> smart enough to filter what is needed to be read. Unfortunately, it seems 
>>>> we're going backwards, not forward. So if you try an iPad, on anything but 
>>

Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328

[Rajmund]

Hi John,
I was, hence the reason why I'm asking, what they're on about? I'm not asking 
for a feature request, I'm asking for what has broke, fix it. 




Sent from an iPad Air

> On 1 Nov 2016, at 3:52 pm, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>Feature request? Aren’t you describing the expected behavior of VoiceOver 
> with the two finger swipe gesture?
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. 
>> Third, just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, everyone, 
>> write them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this reminds me of 
>> when trying to write humanware tech support, they were just as bad. And 
>> these make it out so that you don't reply. They used to be better, I'm sure. 
>> Anyway, here it comes. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from an iPad Air
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Apple Accessibility 
>>> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT
>>> To: brajmund2...@gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email 
>>> (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior. We 
>>> appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate group as a 
>>> feature request.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Apple Accessibility
>>> 
>>>> On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, brajmund2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any sized iPad, 
>>>> (it works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) for a voiceover user, 
>>>> email is reckless. IT's so horribly screwed, that I had to spend a day 
>>>> downgrading, so that I only have to put up with the bug, where voiceover 
>>>> dies miserably after sending an email. This has cost my iMessages to be 
>>>> lost since December of this year, and my entire facetime history. Needless 
>>>> to say, not pleased at all. I have also sent a couple of bug reports 
>>>> during the beta cycle, but it never got rectified. Having said that, here 
>>>> are some, what I hope easy enough steps to reproduce, and fix at last, so 
>>>> that I don't akeep having to reject the update. 
>>>> 1) Get an iPad, preferably running a public version, so that whoever 
>>>> reproduces this, if they do at all, they can't just say that it doesn't 
>>>> work in  the beta.
>>>> 2) Have an active email account set up, so there's actually something to 
>>>> read. (I can easily get someone to supply an audio demonstration). 
>>>> 3) Turn on voice over.
>>>> 4) Open the email, find an email, and double tap on it. '5) Flick up or 
>>>> down with 2 fingers, honestly, it doesn't matter, they both are just as 
>>>> big of a failure. 
>>>> 6) You will hear: mail boxes back button, if doing a 2 finger flick up. If 
>>>> down, you will hear compose, filter messages, in other words, everything 
>>>> but the actual text of the message. On the phone, or IOS9, the iPad was 
>>>> smart enough to filter what is needed to be read. Unfortunately, it seems 
>>>> we're going backwards, not forward. So if you try an iPad, on anything but 
>>>> a version of IOS10, or any iPhone, any version, if flicking down, it will 
>>>> read from the cursor to the end. So if the message had 20 words, and the 
>>>> cursor was on the 5th, it would read the remaining 15 words. If you 
>>>> flicked up with 2 fingers, it read all 20 words. In other words, it only 
>>>> read the text of the message, not the controls. And I know that this is 
>>>> not a  design, as the phone would also be doing it in that case, and since 
>>>> it doesn't, that leaves me to  believe that this is a bug. Please let me 
>>>> know if you need any additional details. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from a Braille Sense 
>> 
&

Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328

[John Panarese]

   Feature request? Aren’t you describing the expected behavior of VoiceOver 
with the two finger swipe gesture?


Take Care

John D. Panarese
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Mac for the Blind
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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. Third, 
> just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, everyone, write 
> them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this reminds me of when 
> trying to write humanware tech support, they were just as bad. And these make 
> it out so that you don't reply. They used to be better, I'm sure. Anyway, 
> here it comes. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from an iPad Air
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Apple Accessibility > <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
>> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT
>> To: brajmund2...@gmail.com <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email 
>> (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior. We 
>> appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate group as a 
>> feature request.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, brajmund2...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any sized iPad, (it 
>>> works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) for a voiceover user, email 
>>> is reckless. IT's so horribly screwed, that I had to spend a day 
>>> downgrading, so that I only have to put up with the bug, where voiceover 
>>> dies miserably after sending an email. This has cost my iMessages to be 
>>> lost since December of this year, and my entire facetime history. Needless 
>>> to say, not pleased at all. I have also sent a couple of bug reports during 
>>> the beta cycle, but it never got rectified. Having said that, here are 
>>> some, what I hope easy enough steps to reproduce, and fix at last, so that 
>>> I don't akeep having to reject the update. 
>>> 1) Get an iPad, preferably running a public version, so that whoever 
>>> reproduces this, if they do at all, they can't just say that it doesn't 
>>> work in  the beta.
>>> 2) Have an active email account set up, so there's actually something to 
>>> read. (I can easily get someone to supply an audio demonstration). 
>>> 3) Turn on voice over.
>>> 4) Open the email, find an email, and double tap on it. '5) Flick up or 
>>> down with 2 fingers, honestly, it doesn't matter, they both are just as big 
>>> of a failure. 
>>> 6) You will hear: mail boxes back button, if doing a 2 finger flick up. If 
>>> down, you will hear compose, filter messages, in other words, everything 
>>> but the actual text of the message. On the phone, or IOS9, the iPad was 
>>> smart enough to filter what is needed to be read. Unfortunately, it seems 
>>> we're going backwards, not forward. So if you try an iPad, on anything but 
>>> a version of IOS10, or any iPhone, any version, if flicking down, it will 
>>> read from the cursor to the end. So if the message had 20 words, and the 
>>> cursor was on the 5th, it would read the remaining 15 words. If you flicked 
>>> up with 2 fingers, it read all 20 words. In other words, it only read the 
>>> text of the message, not the controls. And I know that this is not a  
>>> design, as the phone would also be doing it in that case, and since it 
>>> doesn't, that leaves me to  believe that this is a bug. Please let me know 
>>> if you need any additional details. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from a Braille Sense 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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Fwd: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328

[Rajmund]

Hi,
First, let me recompose myself. Second, sorry for the strong language. Third, 
just how the hell is this a feature request? Please please, everyone, write 
them. This iPad is happy on IOS9, but still. 4) this reminds me of when trying 
to write humanware tech support, they were just as bad. And these make it out 
so that you don't reply. They used to be better, I'm sure. Anyway, here it 
comes. 




Sent from an iPad Air

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Apple Accessibility 
> Date: 1 November 2016 at 3:00:11 pm GMT
> To: brajmund2...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: IOS10 bug report, voice over loses focus while reading email 
> (iPad only); Follow-up: 651292328
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Thank you for your email and the included steps to observe the behavior. We 
> appreciate the feedback and will submit this to the appropriate group as a 
> feature request.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> 
>> On October 27, 2016 at 18:48:47 PM GMT, brajmund2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Ever since IOS10 has been released for any version, and any sized iPad, (it 
>> works on all, mini, air, pro, doesn't matter) for a voiceover user, email is 
>> reckless. IT's so horribly screwed, that I had to spend a day downgrading, 
>> so that I only have to put up with the bug, where voiceover dies miserably 
>> after sending an email. This has cost my iMessages to be lost since December 
>> of this year, and my entire facetime history. Needless to say, not pleased 
>> at all. I have also sent a couple of bug reports during the beta cycle, but 
>> it never got rectified. Having said that, here are some, what I hope easy 
>> enough steps to reproduce, and fix at last, so that I don't akeep having to 
>> reject the update. 
>> 1) Get an iPad, preferably running a public version, so that whoever 
>> reproduces this, if they do at all, they can't just say that it doesn't work 
>> in  the beta.
>> 2) Have an active email account set up, so there's actually something to 
>> read. (I can easily get someone to supply an audio demonstration). 
>> 3) Turn on voice over.
>> 4) Open the email, find an email, and double tap on it. '5) Flick up or down 
>> with 2 fingers, honestly, it doesn't matter, they both are just as big of a 
>> failure. 
>> 6) You will hear: mail boxes back button, if doing a 2 finger flick up. If 
>> down, you will hear compose, filter messages, in other words, everything but 
>> the actual text of the message. On the phone, or IOS9, the iPad was smart 
>> enough to filter what is needed to be read. Unfortunately, it seems we're 
>> going backwards, not forward. So if you try an iPad, on anything but a 
>> version of IOS10, or any iPhone, any version, if flicking down, it will read 
>> from the cursor to the end. So if the message had 20 words, and the cursor 
>> was on the 5th, it would read the remaining 15 words. If you flicked up with 
>> 2 fingers, it read all 20 words. In other words, it only read the text of 
>> the message, not the controls. And I know that this is not a  design, as the 
>> phone would also be doing it in that case, and since it doesn't, that leaves 
>> me to  believe that this is a bug. Please let me know if you need any 
>> additional details. 
>> 
>> Sent from a Braille Sense 
>> 
>> 

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RE: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357

[Richard Turner]

Don’t worry about never hearing back from them, the main thing is for everyone 
who can duplicate this bug to send in a report.

Thanks for doing that.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Donna
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a 
search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357

I sent Apple a bug report on this topic last week, but never heard back from 
Apple.

Donna

Please, everyone duplicating these issues, write to 
accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>
They need to hear from everyone.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 8:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a 
search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357

I’ve had similar experiences when trying to correct a search term I typed when 
in the App Store.

From: englishride...@gmail.com<mailto:englishride...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a 
search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357
Having just read through all the messages in this thread, I went to AppleVis 
and performed the exact same steps as Richard, and holy crap! That's absolutely 
awful! I think the accessibility people were trying to be helpful, but this is 
really not helpful. Once I understood the differences between how Windows and 
Mac/iOS handled cursor movement, I was set. I don't need to know where the 
cursor is--not through VO explisitly telling me in the manner it is in iOS 10, 
anyway. What I need VO to tell me is the letter just moved passed, like it 
always has done before this update.


Weanks,
Ari

On Oct 27, 2016, at 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Exactly what happens when I try it. I’d really like to be in the same room as 
that Apple Accessibility clown who says he can’t reproduce it. Maybe he forgot 
to turn on Voiceover!

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Apple mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a 
search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357


Trying to move by character from the start is even worse. It does the same 
overly verbose "character mode insertion point between h and a in second 
position attachment." Then, it just bongs. It won't move after that.
Richard
“By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Richard,

Exactly my experience as far as the "attachment" is concerned. Have you tried 
it going forward from the beginning, i.e. when you are in the edit field double 
tap to move the insertion point to the beginning and then swipe down to go 
forward.

I also remember that in some emails (haven't noticed it lately) Voiceover would 
sometimes read a character about 4 or 5 spaces in from the beginning of the 
line as "attachment". Like I said, I noticed that during the original iOS 10 
beta cycle, have to test it again now to see if it's still there.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 2:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Cc: accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>
Subject: RE: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a 
search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357

Greetings,
I am copying Apple Accessibility and the VIPhone list on this reply.
Following the steps described in the response below from Apple Accessibility:
1.  I went to applevis.com<http://applevis.com> and double tapped in the search 
this site field.
2.  I entered Ham Radio
3.  I put focus outside of the edit field so the on screen keyboard went away.
4.  I double tapped on the edit field again, which brought back the onscreen 
keyboard and VoiceOver said "incertion point at end.".
5.  I turned the rotor to character and flicked up and heard "ham radio, 
character mode, incertion point between I and o in the 9th position, 
attachment."

Before iOS

Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357

[Donna]

I sent Apple a bug report on this topic last week, but never heard back from 
Apple. 

Donna
> 
> Please, everyone duplicating these issues, write to accessibil...@apple.com
> They need to hear from everyone.
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Flor Lynch
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 8:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into 
> a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357
>  
> I’ve had similar experiences when trying to correct a search term I typed 
> when in the App Store.
>  
> From: englishride...@gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into 
> a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357
> Having just read through all the messages in this thread, I went to AppleVis 
> and performed the exact same steps as Richard, and holy crap! That's 
> absolutely awful! I think the accessibility people were trying to be helpful, 
> but this is really not helpful. Once I understood the differences between how 
> Windows and Mac/iOS handled cursor movement, I was set. I don't need to know 
> where the cursor is--not through VO explisitly telling me in the manner it is 
> in iOS 10, anyway. What I need VO to tell me is the letter just moved passed, 
> like it always has done before this update.
>  
>  
> Weanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Exactly what happens when I try it. I’d really like to be in the same room as 
> that Apple Accessibility clown who says he can’t reproduce it. Maybe he 
> forgot to turn on Voiceover!
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Apple 
> Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into 
> a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357
>  
>  
> Trying to move by character from the start is even worse. It does the same 
> overly verbose "character mode insertion point between h and a in second 
> position attachment." Then, it just bongs. It won't move after that.
> Richard
> 
> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
> - Satsuki Shibuya
>  
>  
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
> 
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> Exactly my experience as far as the "attachment" is concerned. Have you tried 
> it going forward from the beginning, i.e. when you are in the edit field 
> double tap to move the insertion point to the beginning and then swipe down 
> to go forward.
> 
> I also remember that in some emails (haven't noticed it lately) Voiceover 
> would sometimes read a character about 4 or 5 spaces in from the beginning of 
> the line as "attachment". Like I said, I noticed that during the original iOS 
> 10 beta cycle, have to test it again now to see if it's still there.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> >Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 2:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: accessibil...@apple.com
> Subject: RE: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into 
> a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357
> 
> Greetings,
> I am copying Apple Accessibility and the VIPhone list on this reply.
> Following the steps described in the response below from Apple Accessibility:
> 1.  I went to applevis.com and double tapped in the search this site field.
> 2.  I entered Ham Radio
> 3.  I put focus outside of the edit field so the on screen keyboard went away.
> 4.  I double tapped on the edit field again, which brought back the onscreen 
> keyboard and VoiceOver said "incertion point at end.".
> 5.  I turned the rotor to character and flicked up and heard "ham radio, 
> character mode, incertion point between I and o in the 9th position, 
> attachment."
> 
> Before iOS 10, I would simply hear the characters as I flicked.
> This is completely too verbose for words.
> Yes, I did eventually hear the characters, but not the way any sane person 
> would want to hear them.
> And, why on Earth is it saying "attachment?"
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> >Of Mary Ott