Re: Braille Touch Update? Curious..........

[Carol Pearson]

It's still here in the UK.

Remember, to get the best hit, you probably need to search BrailleTouch. That's 
one word with a capital B and capital T.

Hope this helps.
M 



carol P
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On 26 Jun 2013, at 10:49 AM, "Sandy Finley"  wrote:

> I am searching in the app store and not finding it   Anyone else
> experiencing this as well?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Eileens Misrahi
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille Touch Update? Curious..
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I know that you made reference to BrailleTouch and an update to have access
> to contracted braille. I want to let you know that MBraille has just been
> release and is in the app store. The app support contracted and uncontracted
> braille. One can text, tweet, Facebook, email, and set appointments directly
> from the app. You can preview what you have wiritten by characters, words,
> and sentences. Editing is available to copy, cut, or paste text. You can set
> appointments with alarms. Currently, MBraille support 6 languages, with more
> languages to be supported in the future. As a tester of this app, it has
> been a pleasure to be able to create text, edit, and increase my speed in
> performing these tasks with confidence. I am sure that you will enjoy the
> app as much as I have so far. You can download the free version and take it
> for a test drive before purchasing the full version. HTH.
> 
> Best,
> Eileenot
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 25, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:
> 
>> Hello all, I really like Braille Touch and am wondering if it is ever 
>> going to be updated?  Just curious...  Is it going to stay 
>> like that?  Just curious if anybody ever heard any info on this app or 
>> not.  Thanks!  :)
>> 
>> --
>> Important quotes that people need to read and understand:
>> "JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN'T MEAN HE LACKS 
>> VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER
>> 
>> "Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND THINK!!"
>> By STEVIE WONDER
>> 
>> Nimit
>> 
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>> kaur.ni...@gmail.com
>> kaur.ni...@hotmail.com
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Re: Braille Touch Update? Curious..........

[Rebecca Ilniski]

When you look for MBraille make sure the m and the b are capitalized. 


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On Jun 26, 2013, at 5:49 AM, "Sandy Finley"  wrote:

I am searching in the app store and not finding it   Anyone else
experiencing this as well?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Eileens Misrahi
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Update? Curious..

Hello,

I know that you made reference to BrailleTouch and an update to have access
to contracted braille. I want to let you know that MBraille has just been
release and is in the app store. The app support contracted and uncontracted
braille. One can text, tweet, Facebook, email, and set appointments directly
from the app. You can preview what you have wiritten by characters, words,
and sentences. Editing is available to copy, cut, or paste text. You can set
appointments with alarms. Currently, MBraille support 6 languages, with more
languages to be supported in the future. As a tester of this app, it has
been a pleasure to be able to create text, edit, and increase my speed in
performing these tasks with confidence. I am sure that you will enjoy the
app as much as I have so far. You can download the free version and take it
for a test drive before purchasing the full version. HTH.

Best,
Eileenot

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 25, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:

> Hello all, I really like Braille Touch and am wondering if it is ever 
> going to be updated?  Just curious...  Is it going to stay 
> like that?  Just curious if anybody ever heard any info on this app or 
> not.  Thanks!  :)
> 
> --
> Important quotes that people need to read and understand:
> "JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN'T MEAN HE LACKS 
> VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER
> 
> "Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND THINK!!"
> By STEVIE WONDER
> 
> Nimit
> 
> More ways to contact me:
> kaur.ni...@gmail.com
> kaur.ni...@hotmail.com
> 
> Have a nice day, night, evening depending on where you are in the 
> world!  Thank you for reading my email.
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RE: Braille Touch Update? Curious..........

[Sandy Finley]

I am searching in the app store and not finding it   Anyone else
experiencing this as well?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Eileens Misrahi
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Update? Curious..

Hello,

I know that you made reference to BrailleTouch and an update to have access
to contracted braille. I want to let you know that MBraille has just been
release and is in the app store. The app support contracted and uncontracted
braille. One can text, tweet, Facebook, email, and set appointments directly
from the app. You can preview what you have wiritten by characters, words,
and sentences. Editing is available to copy, cut, or paste text. You can set
appointments with alarms. Currently, MBraille support 6 languages, with more
languages to be supported in the future. As a tester of this app, it has
been a pleasure to be able to create text, edit, and increase my speed in
performing these tasks with confidence. I am sure that you will enjoy the
app as much as I have so far. You can download the free version and take it
for a test drive before purchasing the full version. HTH.

Best,
Eileenot

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 25, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:

> Hello all, I really like Braille Touch and am wondering if it is ever 
> going to be updated?  Just curious...  Is it going to stay 
> like that?  Just curious if anybody ever heard any info on this app or 
> not.  Thanks!  :)
> 
> --
> Important quotes that people need to read and understand:
> "JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN'T MEAN HE LACKS 
> VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER
> 
> "Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND THINK!!"
> By STEVIE WONDER
> 
> Nimit
> 
> More ways to contact me:
> kaur.ni...@gmail.com
> kaur.ni...@hotmail.com
> 
> Have a nice day, night, evening depending on where you are in the 
> world!  Thank you for reading my email.
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Re: Braille Touch Update? Curious..........

[RobH!]

They're still working on G2 brl,   but I like it as it is;  we don't have 
contractions in ordinary sighted text. In short, I'm happy enough as it is.
- Original Message - 
From: "Nimit Kaur" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:58 PM
Subject: Braille Touch Update? Curious..


Hello all, I really like Braille Touch and am wondering if it is ever
going to be updated?  Just curious...  Is it going to stay
like that?  Just curious if anybody ever heard any info on this app or
not.  Thanks!  :)

-- 
Important quotes that people need to read and understand:
“JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN’T MEAN HE LACKS
VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER

"Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND THINK!!"
By STEVIE WONDER

Nimit

More ways to contact me:
kaur.ni...@gmail.com
kaur.ni...@hotmail.com

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Re: Braille Touch Update? Curious..........

[Eileens Misrahi]

Hello,

I know that you made reference to BrailleTouch and an update to have access to 
contracted braille. I want to let you know that MBraille has just been release 
and is in the app store. The app support contracted and uncontracted braille. 
One can text, tweet, Facebook, email, and set appointments directly from the 
app. You can preview what you have wiritten by characters, words, and 
sentences. Editing is available to copy, cut, or paste text. You can set 
appointments with alarms. Currently, MBraille support 6 languages, with more 
languages to be supported in the future. As a tester of this app, it has been a 
pleasure to be able to create text, edit, and increase my speed in performing 
these tasks with confidence. I am sure that you will enjoy the app as much as I 
have so far. You can download the free version and take it for a test drive 
before purchasing the full version. HTH.

Best,
Eileenot

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 25, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:

> Hello all, I really like Braille Touch and am wondering if it is ever
> going to be updated?  Just curious...  Is it going to stay
> like that?  Just curious if anybody ever heard any info on this app or
> not.  Thanks!  :)
> 
> -- 
> Important quotes that people need to read and understand:
> “JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN’T MEAN HE LACKS
> VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER
> 
> "Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND THINK!!"
> By STEVIE WONDER
> 
> Nimit
> 
> More ways to contact me:
> kaur.ni...@gmail.com
> kaur.ni...@hotmail.com
> 
> Have a nice day, night, evening depending on where you are in the
> world!  Thank you for reading my email.
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Re: Braille Touch was Re: How do you'll type very long messages on your Iphone?

[RobH!]

It is good, most the time, I had a bit of flaky issue with it when out 
today.  But how?   please,   their web pages tells it all better, 
quicker and more thoroughly than on here; and it's been covered so often 
now,   just take a read of the user guide, it's all there and pretty 
straight forward, honest!

RobH.

RobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Si" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:56 PM
Subject: Braille Touch was Re: How do you'll type very long messages on your 
Iphone?


How does one use braille touch on a small iPhone screen? I've never heard of
this app and it sounds really promising.

Si

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Re: Braille Touch was Re: How do you'll type very long messages on your Iphone?

[Maria & Joe Chapman]

Hi.  I will try to explain this as well as I can.  You hold the phone with the 
screen facing away from you so the home button is on the left.  You hold either 
end of the iphone in your hands so you have 3 fingers from each hand on the 
screen.  Your left index, middle and ring fingers are dots 1, 2, and 3 and your 
right index, middle and ring fingers are 4, 5, and 6.  the  help section 
explains it better than I can but that's basically how you type in braille on 
your iphone.


Maria Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - 
Mahatma Gandhi

On 18/05/2013, at 1:56 AM, Si  wrote:

> How does one use braille touch on a small iPhone screen? I've never heard of 
> this app and it sounds really promising.
> 
> Si 
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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Joseph Hudson]

Hi Alan, I would like to spoil your bubble about texting to email addresses 
they can be done. So here's the steps to do it. Going to compose, and once 
you're in compose cheese however you want to find the person contact, then when 
she found their email address Tap on it then going to the text field partes to 
type your message type it, and then hit send..

Vice president
of the Texas school for the blinds Zello channel , phone, 641-715-3900 
extension 34315, or 588-7652.
Email, jhud7...@yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2013, at 10:01 AM, "Alan Paganelli"  
wrote:

> No you cannot send a text message to an email address through the texting 
> iPhone app.  There is software out there which lets you send a text message 
> to an email address but not that I know of for the iPhone.  The idea of a 
> text message is it's short and you don't need to open an email program.
> - Original Message - From: "Regina Alvarado" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting
> 
> 
>> Brings up a question. When texting, is it the phone number that is wanted, 
>> (always used phone numbers), or can a text be sent with email address?
>> 
>> Reggie and Allegra, my little pill
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2013, at 12:36 PM, "Richard Turner"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sandy,
>> You also said that when you select text message from the BrailleTouch menu,
>> you are in your Contacts?
>> That doesn't happen for me.  I land in the regular text message window in
>> the To field.
>> 
>> I type in enough characters to get a match for the person I want to send it
>> to, double tap their name in the list that comes up and then double tap on
>> Send, where I am put back into the BrailleTouch app.
>> 
>> If you are indeed landing in Contacts, then something is setup very
>> differently on your iPhone.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Sandy Finley
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:15 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Braille Touch and texting
>> 
>> Caleb, Richard and others,
>> 
>> I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille Touch, I
>> texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
>> I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
>> who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him without
>> BT with no difficulty.
>> I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and about at
>> this early hour) and he got it.
>> 
>> I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
>> address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to cut out
>> those steps. Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of BrailleTouch
>> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting
>> 
>> Hi Sandy,
>> I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like
>> you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the same
>> person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
>> using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from the
>> app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.
>> 
>> I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still doesn't
>> work for you.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> Caleb
>> http://brailletouchapp.com/
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
>>> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
>>> 1. Type the message.
>>> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land
>> in my contacts.
>>> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double
>> tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice.
>> I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
>> failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
>>> 
>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Typed with BrailleTouch
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sandy Finley
>> 
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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree text messages are short, but I never found there to be much 
difference between opening a messages app, entering the recipient and 
composing my message from sending an email message where I open my email 
client, enter the recipient and compose my email message. I think the 
difference is more on the receivers end where since you know text 
messages are so short, you can toss them up on your display.


On my old AT&T Symbian phone, I could use the text messaging app to send 
a text or an email. The AT&T server would send it out as a text message 
if I used a phone number and a email message if I used an email address. 
As I said above, there's very little difference on the senders end and 
there's no technical reason why this couldn't be implemented. I suspect 
it's more of an economic issue.


On 04/03/2013 10:01 AM, Alan Paganelli wrote:

No you cannot send a text message to an email address through the
texting iPhone app.  There is software out there which lets you send a
text message to an email address but not that I know of for the iPhone.
The idea of a text message is it's short and you don't need to open an
email program.
- Original Message - From: "Regina Alvarado"

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting



Brings up a question. When texting, is it the phone number that is
wanted, (always used phone numbers), or can a text be sent with email
address?

Reggie and Allegra, my little pill

On Apr 2, 2013, at 12:36 PM, "Richard Turner"
 wrote:

Sandy,
You also said that when you select text message from the BrailleTouch
menu,
you are in your Contacts?
That doesn't happen for me.  I land in the regular text message window in
the To field.

I type in enough characters to get a match for the person I want to
send it
to, double tap their name in the list that comes up and then double
tap on
Send, where I am put back into the BrailleTouch app.

If you are indeed landing in Contacts, then something is setup very
differently on your iPhone.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille Touch and texting

Caleb, Richard and others,

I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille
Touch, I
texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him
without
BT with no difficulty.
I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and
about at
this early hour) and he got it.

I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to
cut out
those steps. Thanks!




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting

Hi Sandy,
I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds
like
you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to
the same
person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch
from the
app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.

I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still
doesn't
work for you.

Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:

I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
1. Type the message.
2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land

in my contacts.

3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and
double

tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No
dice.
I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?


Sandy


Typed with BrailleTouch


Sandy Finley



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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Alan Paganelli]

No you cannot send a text message to an email address through the texting 
iPhone app.  There is software out there which lets you send a text message 
to an email address but not that I know of for the iPhone.  The idea of a 
text message is it's short and you don't need to open an email program.
- Original Message - 
From: "Regina Alvarado" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting


Brings up a question. When texting, is it the phone number that is wanted, 
(always used phone numbers), or can a text be sent with email address?


Reggie and Allegra, my little pill

On Apr 2, 2013, at 12:36 PM, "Richard Turner"  
wrote:


Sandy,
You also said that when you select text message from the BrailleTouch 
menu,

you are in your Contacts?
That doesn't happen for me.  I land in the regular text message window in
the To field.

I type in enough characters to get a match for the person I want to send 
it

to, double tap their name in the list that comes up and then double tap on
Send, where I am put back into the BrailleTouch app.

If you are indeed landing in Contacts, then something is setup very
differently on your iPhone.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille Touch and texting

Caleb, Richard and others,

I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille Touch, I
texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him without
BT with no difficulty.
I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and about at
this early hour) and he got it.

I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to cut 
out

those steps. Thanks!




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting

Hi Sandy,
I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like
you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the 
same

person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from 
the

app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.

I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still 
doesn't

work for you.

Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:

I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
1. Type the message.
2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land

in my contacts.
3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and 
double
tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No 
dice.

I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?


Sandy


Typed with BrailleTouch


Sandy Finley



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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Arianna]

I don't use this app, but people have been saying that it uses the standard 
messaging screen for iOS. That being said, you can type in contacts names, and 
above the keyboard, there will be options such as home, mobile, ET see. You 
should just be able to double-tap on one of those, and it should be entered 
into the to field. I do this all the time for email.


Thanks,
Ari

On Apr 2, 2013, at 12:54 PM, "Alan Paganelli"  
wrote:

> Text messages go to the sender's telephone number rather to their name.  For 
> example, if you were sending a text message to me, you would enter in to the 
> to field, 7 0 2 4  1 2 7 4 5 3.  You would not enter that persons name and 
> expect contacts to select the correct number.  How is contacts to know home 
> phone number from work phone number or cell phone etc.
> 
> HTH
> - Original Message - From: "Sandy Finley" 
> To: "VIAPHONE" 
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 5:37 PM
> Subject: Braille Touch and texting
> 
> 
> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
> 1. Type the message.
> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land in 
> my contacts.
> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double 
> tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice. 
> I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the failure 
> message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> Typed with BrailleTouch
> 
> 
> Sandy Finley
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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Reggie,

I'm glad you are finding BrailleTouch useful. We are making progress on 
Grade 2 for BrailleTouch, but it will take some more time to get all the 
details right. Unfortunately we cannot use existing software for the 
translation tables due to licensing issues, so we have to recreate the 
braille translation tables ourselves. If this were not true, we would 
have included Grade 2 in the first release.


We are excited about near-term improvements that we will release soon 
over several updates:
- Options for computer braille, Unified English Braille, and missing 
punctuation such as underscore, dollar sign, etc.

- Facebook support
- Improved audio response, to address sluggish speech feedback
- Ability to edit and review text from the BrailleTouch keyboard

Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/1/2013 9:04 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote:

Caleb:
How is getting grade 2 going for BrailleTouch? I just love it. I just went to 
receive another guide dog, and I used BrailleTouch for writing all my updates 
from training! Just getting faster and faster, but grade 2 would make it even 
faster. Just a wonderful app. By the way, still need to turn VO off and back on 
every time I write a post or text. Still love it though.

Reggie and Allegra, my little pill

On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:55 PM, BrailleTouch  wrote:

Hi Sandy,
I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like you 
are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the same person 
directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without using 
BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from the app 
switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.

I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still doesn't 
work for you.

Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:

I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
1. Type the message.
2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land in my 
contacts.
3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double tap. It seems 
that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice. I go to  messaging and get 
an indication of "message failure" but the failure message has the recipient's 
name in it! What am I doing wrong?

Sandy


Typed with BrailleTouch


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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Regina Alvarado]

Sandy:
When you flick to the left to send text, why do you land in your contacts? I 
end up on the text message in the "to" box. Then I just put the number in. 
Still don't know how to get to contacts to be able to add from there if I don't 
remember the number. Interestingly enough, after I enter the number on the 
text, the "send" button is still dimmed, though my texts still go through.

Reggie and Allegra, my little pill

On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley  wrote:

I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
1. Type the message.
2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land in my 
contacts. 
3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double tap. 
It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice. I go to 
 messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the failure message 
has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?

Sandy


Typed with BrailleTouch


Sandy Finley

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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Regina Alvarado]

Caleb:
How is getting grade 2 going for BrailleTouch? I just love it. I just went to 
receive another guide dog, and I used BrailleTouch for writing all my updates 
from training! Just getting faster and faster, but grade 2 would make it even 
faster. Just a wonderful app. By the way, still need to turn VO off and back on 
every time I write a post or text. Still love it though. 

Reggie and Allegra, my little pill

On Apr 1, 2013, at 8:55 PM, BrailleTouch  wrote:

Hi Sandy,
I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like you 
are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the same person 
directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without using 
BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from the app 
switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.

I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still doesn't 
work for you.

Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
> 1. Type the message.
> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land in 
> my contacts.
> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double 
> tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice. 
> I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the failure 
> message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> Typed with BrailleTouch
> 
> 
> Sandy Finley
> 

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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Regina Alvarado]

Brings up a question. When texting, is it the phone number that is wanted, 
(always used phone numbers), or can a text be sent with email address?

Reggie and Allegra, my little pill

On Apr 2, 2013, at 12:36 PM, "Richard Turner"  
wrote:

Sandy,
You also said that when you select text message from the BrailleTouch menu,
you are in your Contacts?
That doesn't happen for me.  I land in the regular text message window in
the To field.

I type in enough characters to get a match for the person I want to send it
to, double tap their name in the list that comes up and then double tap on
Send, where I am put back into the BrailleTouch app.

If you are indeed landing in Contacts, then something is setup very
differently on your iPhone.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille Touch and texting

Caleb, Richard and others,

I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille Touch, I
texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him without
BT with no difficulty. 
I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and about at
this early hour) and he got it.

I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to cut out
those steps. Thanks!




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting

Hi Sandy,
I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like
you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the same
person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from the
app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.

I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still doesn't
work for you.

Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
> 1. Type the message.
> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land
in my contacts.
> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double
tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice.
I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> Typed with BrailleTouch
> 
> 
> Sandy Finley
> 

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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[brian albriton]

Hi, Sandy. after tapping the text message choice, I land in the messaging app 
with the text in the body. I type a few letters of my contact, then double tap 
the contact I  I want. I then tap send and the message is sent.   That said, 
the text message choice seems a bit finicky. try copying  instead and then open 
a message.

Brian 

On Apr 1, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Sandy Finley  wrote:

> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
> 1. Type the message.
> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land in 
> my contacts. 
> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double 
> tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice. 
> I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the failure 
> message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> Typed with BrailleTouch
> 
> 
> Sandy Finley
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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Alan Paganelli]

Text messages go to the sender's telephone number rather to their name.  For 
example, if you were sending a text message to me, you would enter in to the 
to field, 7 0 2 4  1 2 7 4 5 3.  You would not enter that persons name and 
expect contacts to select the correct number.  How is contacts to know home 
phone number from work phone number or cell phone etc.


HTH
- Original Message - 
From: "Sandy Finley" 

To: "VIAPHONE" 
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 5:37 PM
Subject: Braille Touch and texting


I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
1. Type the message.
2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land in 
my contacts.
3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double 
tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice. 
I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the 
failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?


Sandy


Typed with BrailleTouch


Sandy Finley

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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Sandy Finley]

Richard, thanks for pointing out. I rarely do e-mail on phone; will be more 
careful.

Sandy Finley

On 02/04/2013, at 1:08 PM, "Richard Turner"  wrote:

Sandy,
Your last couple of messages had your response at the end after all the
replies.  You may want to make sure the cursor is at the start of the
message.
Glad the texting is now working.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting



Sandy Finley

On 02/04/2013, at 8:09 AM, BrailleTouch  wrote:

Hi Sandy,

I think Rob is correct that is has something to do with iMessage as opposed
to SMS messages. I looked in the iPhone settings under Messages and there is
a switch for "Send as SMS". It says "Send as SMS when iMessage is
unavailable." You may want to check and make sure you have this turned on.
You could also try to text your husband on his Android phone without using
BrailleTouch and see if that works.

BrailleTouch uses the same Apple-provided messages screen as Fleksy and
other apps. I do not recall seeing a developer option to control whether it
uses iMessage or SMS, but I'll check again. My assumption is that this Apple
messaging screen follows your iPhone messaging settings, so hopefully the
above suggestion will work for you.

I hope this helps.
Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/2/2013 6:29 AM, RobH! wrote:
> There must be an option, though not seen it,  but distinguishing between
an
> iMessage recipient, and  ordinary sms message.  Worth checking contacts
that
> ahve iPhone say iPhone in the contact, or say Mobile which covers the
rest.
> Maybe that's theo nly way to force it.  I'd like to see more on this
aspect
> too, please.
> 
> I'll go fiddle with it in a minute or few.
> 
> Rh.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sandy Finley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
> Subject: RE: Braille Touch and texting
> 
> 
> Caleb, Richard and others,
> 
> I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille Touch, I
> texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
> I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
> who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him without
> BT with no difficulty.
> I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and about at
> this early hour) and he got it.
> 
> I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
> address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to cut
out
> those steps. Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of BrailleTouch
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like
> you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the
same
> person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
> using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from
the
> app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.
> 
> I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still
doesn't
> work for you.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> 
> On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
>> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
>> 1. Type the message.
>> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land
> in my contacts.
>> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and
double
> tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No
dice.
> I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
> failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
>> Sandy
>> 
>> 
>> Typed with BrailleTouch
>> 
>> 
>> Sandy Finley
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RE: Braille Touch and texting

[Richard Turner]

Sandy,
Your last couple of messages had your response at the end after all the
replies.  You may want to make sure the cursor is at the start of the
message.
Glad the texting is now working.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting



Sandy Finley

On 02/04/2013, at 8:09 AM, BrailleTouch  wrote:

Hi Sandy,

I think Rob is correct that is has something to do with iMessage as opposed
to SMS messages. I looked in the iPhone settings under Messages and there is
a switch for "Send as SMS". It says "Send as SMS when iMessage is
unavailable." You may want to check and make sure you have this turned on.
You could also try to text your husband on his Android phone without using
BrailleTouch and see if that works.

BrailleTouch uses the same Apple-provided messages screen as Fleksy and
other apps. I do not recall seeing a developer option to control whether it
uses iMessage or SMS, but I'll check again. My assumption is that this Apple
messaging screen follows your iPhone messaging settings, so hopefully the
above suggestion will work for you.

I hope this helps.
Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/2/2013 6:29 AM, RobH! wrote:
> There must be an option, though not seen it,  but distinguishing between
an
> iMessage recipient, and  ordinary sms message.  Worth checking contacts
that
> ahve iPhone say iPhone in the contact, or say Mobile which covers the
rest.
> Maybe that's theo nly way to force it.  I'd like to see more on this
aspect
> too, please.
> 
> I'll go fiddle with it in a minute or few.
> 
> Rh.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sandy Finley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
> Subject: RE: Braille Touch and texting
> 
> 
> Caleb, Richard and others,
> 
> I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille Touch, I
> texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
> I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
> who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him without
> BT with no difficulty.
> I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and about at
> this early hour) and he got it.
> 
> I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
> address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to cut
out
> those steps. Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of BrailleTouch
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like
> you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the
same
> person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
> using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from
the
> app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.
> 
> I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still
doesn't
> work for you.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> 
> On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
>> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
>> 1. Type the message.
>> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land
> in my contacts.
>> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and
double
> tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No
dice.
> I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
> failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
>> Sandy
>> 
>> 
>> Typed with BrailleTouch
>> 
>> 
>> Sandy Finley
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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Sandy Finley]

Sandy Finley

On 02/04/2013, at 8:09 AM, BrailleTouch  wrote:

Hi Sandy,

I think Rob is correct that is has something to do with iMessage as opposed to 
SMS messages. I looked in the iPhone settings under Messages and there is a 
switch for "Send as SMS". It says "Send as SMS when iMessage is unavailable." 
You may want to check and make sure you have this turned on. You could also try 
to text your husband on his Android phone without using BrailleTouch and see if 
that works.

BrailleTouch uses the same Apple-provided messages screen as Fleksy and other 
apps. I do not recall seeing a developer option to control whether it uses 
iMessage or SMS, but I'll check again. My assumption is that this Apple 
messaging screen follows your iPhone messaging settings, so hopefully the above 
suggestion will work for you.

I hope this helps.
Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/2/2013 6:29 AM, RobH! wrote:
> There must be an option, though not seen it,  but distinguishing between an
> iMessage recipient, and  ordinary sms message.  Worth checking contacts that
> ahve iPhone say iPhone in the contact, or say Mobile which covers the rest.
> Maybe that's theo nly way to force it.  I'd like to see more on this aspect
> too, please.
> 
> I'll go fiddle with it in a minute or few.
> 
> Rh.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sandy Finley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
> Subject: RE: Braille Touch and texting
> 
> 
> Caleb, Richard and others,
> 
> I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille Touch, I
> texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
> I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
> who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him without
> BT with no difficulty.
> I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and about at
> this early hour) and he got it.
> 
> I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
> address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to cut out
> those steps. Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of BrailleTouch
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like
> you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the same
> person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
> using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from the
> app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.
> 
> I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still doesn't
> work for you.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> 
> On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
>> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
>> 1. Type the message.
>> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land
> in my contacts.
>> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double
> tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice.
> I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
> failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
>> Sandy
>> 
>> 
>> Typed with BrailleTouch
>> 
>> 
>> Sandy Finley
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RE: Braille Touch and texting

[Richard Turner]

Sandy,
You also said that when you select text message from the BrailleTouch menu,
you are in your Contacts?
That doesn't happen for me.  I land in the regular text message window in
the To field.

I type in enough characters to get a match for the person I want to send it
to, double tap their name in the list that comes up and then double tap on
Send, where I am put back into the BrailleTouch app.

If you are indeed landing in Contacts, then something is setup very
differently on your iPhone.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille Touch and texting

Caleb, Richard and others,

I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille Touch, I
texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him without
BT with no difficulty. 
I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and about at
this early hour) and he got it.

I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to cut out
those steps. Thanks!




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting

Hi Sandy,
I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like
you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the same
person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from the
app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.

I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still doesn't
work for you.

Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
> 1. Type the message.
> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land
in my contacts.
> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double
tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice.
I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
>
> Sandy
>
>
> Typed with BrailleTouch
>
>
> Sandy Finley
>

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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Sandy Finley]

Sandy Finley

On 02/04/2013, at 8:09 AM, BrailleTouch  wrote:

Hi Sandy,

I think Rob is correct that is has something to do with iMessage as opposed to 
SMS messages. I looked in the iPhone settings under Messages and there is a 
switch for "Send as SMS". It says "Send as SMS when iMessage is unavailable." 
You may want to check and make sure you have this turned on. You could also try 
to text your husband on his Android phone without using BrailleTouch and see if 
that works.

BrailleTouch uses the same Apple-provided messages screen as Fleksy and other 
apps. I do not recall seeing a developer option to control whether it uses 
iMessage or SMS, but I'll check again. My assumption is that this Apple 
messaging screen follows your iPhone messaging settings, so hopefully the above 
suggestion will work for you.

I hope this helps.
Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/2/2013 6:29 AM, RobH! wrote:
> There must be an option, though not seen it,  but distinguishing between an
> iMessage recipient, and  ordinary sms message.  Worth checking contacts that
> ahve iPhone say iPhone in the contact, or say Mobile which covers the rest.
> Maybe that's theo nly way to force it.  I'd like to see more on this aspect
> too, please.
> 
> I'll go fiddle with it in a minute or few.
> 
> Rh.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sandy Finley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
> Subject: RE: Braille Touch and texting
> 
> 
> Caleb, Richard and others,
> 
> I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille Touch, I
> texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
> I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
> who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him without
> BT with no difficulty.
> I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and about at
> this early hour) and he got it.
> 
> I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
> address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to cut out
> those steps. Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of BrailleTouch
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like
> you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the same
> person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
> using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from the
> app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.
> 
> I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still doesn't
> work for you.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> 
> On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
>> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
>> 1. Type the message.
>> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land
> in my contacts.
>> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double
> tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice.
> I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
> failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
>> Sandy
>> 
>> 
>> Typed with BrailleTouch
>> 
>> 
>> Sandy Finley
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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Sandy,

I think Rob is correct that is has something to do with iMessage as 
opposed to SMS messages. I looked in the iPhone settings under Messages 
and there is a switch for "Send as SMS". It says "Send as SMS when 
iMessage is unavailable." You may want to check and make sure you have 
this turned on. You could also try to text your husband on his Android 
phone without using BrailleTouch and see if that works.


BrailleTouch uses the same Apple-provided messages screen as Fleksy and 
other apps. I do not recall seeing a developer option to control whether 
it uses iMessage or SMS, but I'll check again. My assumption is that 
this Apple messaging screen follows your iPhone messaging settings, so 
hopefully the above suggestion will work for you.


I hope this helps.
Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/2/2013 6:29 AM, RobH! wrote:

There must be an option, though not seen it,  but distinguishing between an
iMessage recipient, and  ordinary sms message.  Worth checking contacts that
ahve iPhone say iPhone in the contact, or say Mobile which covers the rest.
Maybe that's theo nly way to force it.  I'd like to see more on this aspect
too, please.

I'll go fiddle with it in a minute or few.

Rh.
- Original Message -
From: "Sandy Finley" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: Braille Touch and texting


Caleb, Richard and others,

I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille Touch, I
texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him without
BT with no difficulty.
I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and about at
this early hour) and he got it.

I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to cut out
those steps. Thanks!




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting

Hi Sandy,
I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like
you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the same
person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from the
app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.

I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still doesn't
work for you.

Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:

I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
1. Type the message.
2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land

in my contacts.

3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double

tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice.
I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?

Sandy


Typed with BrailleTouch


Sandy Finley


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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Carol Pearson]

I don't think I've ever had problems with texting. Quite happy to text someone 
to try it out if needed! Just give me a shout!

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch

On 2 Apr 2013, at 11:15 AM, "Sandy Finley"  wrote:

> Caleb, Richard and others,
> 
> I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille Touch, I
> texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
> I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
> who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him without
> BT with no difficulty. 
> I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and about at
> this early hour) and he got it.
> 
> I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
> address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to cut out
> those steps. Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of BrailleTouch
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like
> you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the same
> person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
> using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from the
> app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.
> 
> I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still doesn't
> work for you.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> 
> On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
>> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
>> 1. Type the message.
>> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land
> in my contacts.
>> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double
> tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice.
> I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
> failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
>> 
>> Sandy
>> 
>> 
>> Typed with BrailleTouch
>> 
>> 
>> Sandy Finley
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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[RobH!]

There must be an option, though not seen it,  but distinguishing between an 
iMessage recipient, and  ordinary sms message.  Worth checking contacts that 
ahve iPhone say iPhone in the contact, or say Mobile which covers the rest. 
Maybe that's theo nly way to force it.  I'd like to see more on this aspect 
too, please.

I'll go fiddle with it in a minute or few.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sandy Finley" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: Braille Touch and texting


Caleb, Richard and others,

I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille Touch, I
texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him without
BT with no difficulty.
I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and about at
this early hour) and he got it.

I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to cut out
those steps. Thanks!




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting

Hi Sandy,
I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like
you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the same
person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from the
app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.

I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still doesn't
work for you.

Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
> 1. Type the message.
> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land
in my contacts.
> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double
tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice.
I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
>
> Sandy
>
>
> Typed with BrailleTouch
>
>
> Sandy Finley
>

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RE: Braille Touch and texting

[Sandy Finley]

Caleb, Richard and others,

I think Richard may have helped uncover something.  Using Braille Touch, I
texted myself and I got the message and I obviously have an iPhone.
I then tried to text my husband, whom I text for often than anyone else,
who has a droid and message failed. And yes, I am able to text him without
BT with no difficulty. 
I then texted an iPhone-owning  good friend (one I know is up and about at
this early hour) and he got it.

I can type a message and put it in the clipboard, go to Messaging and
address the usual way and paste from the clipboard, but I'd like to cut out
those steps. Thanks!




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch and texting

Hi Sandy,
I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like
you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the same
person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without
using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from the
app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.

I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still doesn't
work for you.

Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
> 1. Type the message.
> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land
in my contacts.
> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double
tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice.
I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the
failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
>
> Sandy
>
>
> Typed with BrailleTouch
>
>
> Sandy Finley
>

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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Jennie Facer]

I have no problems sending text to my husband, and he doesn't have a smart 
phone even let alone Braille Touch.

Jenn

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 1, 2013, at 6:55 PM, BrailleTouch  wrote:

> Hi Sandy,
> I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds like 
> you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to the same 
> person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address book without 
> using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing BrailleTouch from the 
> app switcher and restarting, or try restarting your iPhone.
> 
> I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still doesn't 
> work for you.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> 
> On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:
>> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
>> 1. Type the message.
>> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land in 
>> my contacts.
>> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double 
>> tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice. 
>> I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the 
>> failure message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
>> 
>> Sandy
>> 
>> 
>> Typed with BrailleTouch
>> 
>> 
>> Sandy Finley
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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[Richard Turner]

I just sent an iMessage with my Touch to an iPhone without any trouble with 
BrailleTouch.
However, when I tried to send a text to a non-apple device, it failed.
So are you sending from an iPhone?
If you are, then I am not sure what is wrong. But if you are sending from a 
Touch or iPad, it may be that you can only send to other Apple devices.
HTH,


Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

On Apr 1, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Sandy Finley  wrote:

> I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
> 1. Type the message.
> 2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land in 
> my contacts. 
> 3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double 
> tap. It seems that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice. 
> I go to  messaging and get an indication of "message failure" but the failure 
> message has the recipient's name in it! What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> Typed with BrailleTouch
> 
> 
> Sandy Finley
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Re: Braille Touch and texting

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Sandy,
I'm sorry you are having trouble texting with BrailleTouch. It sounds 
like you are doing everything correctly. Please try sending a message to 
the same person directly from the phone number in your iPhone address 
book without using BrailleTouch. If that works, please try closing 
BrailleTouch from the app switcher and restarting, or try restarting 
your iPhone.


I hope this helps. Please feel free to email me directly if it still 
doesn't work for you.


Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 4/1/2013 8:37 PM, Sandy Finley wrote:

I still cannot text with Braille Touch. here is what I do:
1. Type the message.
2. Flick left and find the text message option. I double tap it and land in my 
contacts.
3. I navigate to the recipient's info; I find the mobile number and double tap. It seems 
that the number is in the correct place so I tap send.No dice. I go to  messaging and get 
an indication of "message failure" but the failure message has the recipient's 
name in it! What am I doing wrong?

Sandy


Typed with BrailleTouch


Sandy Finley



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Re: BRAILLE touch AND texting

[RobH!]

I do it this way:-

1, write msg in BT

2,  flick and tap send text,

3, in the msg app, find the add from address book,
find contact and appropriate number,

4, flick around to check I got the content in the msg field,

5, tap send.

Not failed yet.

Alternative:  open msg app,  navigate to the point you got an addressed msg, 
then either of - double-click Home and see if you have BT in there to switch 
to so you can type your msg,  or failing that, click Home once and leave the 
app in that state while you open BT and type your msg,  flick to menu and 
copy to clipboard.  Now double-click Home and return to msg app,  find and 
open  text field for msg and paste!, then flick along to Send.

Hth, Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sandy Finley" 
To: "'VIAPHONE'" 
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:45 PM
Subject: BRAILLE touch AND texting


I HATE TO ASK THIS BECAUSE IT MAKES me FEEL DUMB, BUT HERE GOES.  Prior to
Braille Touch I would address a text message before writing the message.  As
those of you who use BT know it is necessary to first write the message. For
some reason I cannot get them to send correctly and I don't think the
culprit is the program!



To text without BT, I:

1.   Go to contacts;

2.   Navigate to the desire contact;

3.   Double tap on "send Message";

4.   Double tap on "Mobile"

5.   Type and send message.

With Braille Touch I:

1.   Write the message.

2.   Flick left for BT menu;

3.   Double tap on the text message button.

4.   Turn phone back to Portrait mode, where I find myself in Contacts.

5.   Type the first 3 letters of the last name of the addressee

6.   Navigate to desired sender

7.   Double tap "Mobile." Nothing happens. Message fails.

What am I doing that prevents the "to" field from being poppulated? Is there
an easier way to do this?





Sandy Finley



8.   N

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RE: BRAILLE touch AND texting

[Debbie Downey]

Sandy,
 
I follow the same procedure as Rebecca but instead of typing the first few
letters of the contact I just double tap on add from contacts, then find the
contact and double tap on it and then double tap on the send button and then
you're back in Braille Touch where you can just tap the screen to start
typing again!
 
Deb 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sandy Finley
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:46 PM
To: 'VIAPHONE'
Subject: BRAILLE touch AND texting



I HATE TO ASK THIS BECAUSE IT MAKES me FEEL DUMB, BUT HERE GOES.  Prior to
Braille Touch I would address a text message before writing the message.  As
those of you who use BT know it is necessary to first write the message. For
some reason I cannot get them to send correctly and I don't think the
culprit is the program! 

 

To text without BT, I:

1.   Go to contacts;

2.   Navigate to the desire contact;

3.   Double tap on "send Message";

4.   Double tap on "Mobile"

5.   Type and send message.

With Braille Touch I:

1.   Write the message.

2.   Flick left for BT menu;

3.   Double tap on the text message button.

4.   Turn phone back to Portrait mode, where I find myself in Contacts.

5.   Type the first 3 letters of the last name of the addressee 

6.   Navigate to desired sender

7.   Double tap "Mobile." Nothing happens. Message fails.

What am I doing that prevents the "to" field from being poppulated? Is there
an easier way to do this?

 

 

Sandy Finley

 

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Re: BRAILLE touch AND texting

[Rebecca Ilniski]

Hi Sandy.  Here's how I do it.  I go in to braille touch and type the 
text.  Then I do the two finger swipe left and go to send text message.  
It switches back to portrait mode.  I type the first letter or two of 
the first or last name and select my contact.  Then once I double tap on 
that I swipe over to the send button as the text that I typed is already 
in the text edit field since I never left braille touch.  Then when I 
double tap on send it goes.  Then I end up back in the braille touch app 
where I can type again.


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Re: BRAILLE touch AND texting

[Mickey Quenzer]

Can you just write the message and then edit copy to clipboard and then find 
the contact and create text message and paste that contents from the 
application into your message that's what I would try

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 3, 2013, at 1:45 PM, "Sandy Finley"  wrote:

> I HATE TO ASK THIS BECAUSE IT MAKES me FEEL DUMB, BUT HERE GOES.  Prior to 
> Braille Touch I would address a text message before writing the message.  As 
> those of you who use BT know it is necessary to first write the message. For 
> some reason I cannot get them to send correctly and I don’t think the culprit 
> is the program!
>  
> To text without BT, I:
> 1.   Go to contacts;
> 2.   Navigate to the desire contact;
> 3.   Double tap on “send Message”;
> 4.   Double tap on “Mobile”
> 5.   Type and send message.
> With Braille Touch I:
> 1.   Write the message.
> 2.   Flick left for BT menu;
> 3.   Double tap on the text message button.
> 4.   Turn phone back to Portrait mode, where I find myself in Contacts.
> 5.   Type the first 3 letters of the last name of the addressee
> 6.   Navigate to desired sender
> 7.   Double tap “Mobile.” Nothing happens. Message fails.
> What am I doing that prevents the “to” field from being poppulated? Is there 
> an easier way to do this?
>  
>  
> Sandy Finley
>  
> 8.   N
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Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list!!!!

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Kevin,

Thank you very much for purchasing BrailleTouch! I appreciate your 
support, and this will help us to get Grade 2 and braille translation 
tables completed for a future update.


If there is anything else that would make BrailleTouch more useful to 
you, or to anyone on the list, please feel free to let me know directly 
at i...@brailletouchapp.com or on the viphone list. I respond to every 
email. Grade 2 is our top priority, and we also have plans to enable 
editing on the touchscreen braille keyboard.


ps: We are close to releasing a fix for those who are having orientation 
issues with the email and text message screens. And we will have a 
"Restore Purchased Version" button in the next update, so you can easily 
put BrailleTouch on your second iOS device. In the meantime, you will 
not be charged again if you choose upgrade and buy on a second device 
with the same Apple ID.


Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/10/2013 4:54 PM, Kevin Barry wrote:
I just upgraded to the paid version after playing with the free 
practice mode for a little while.
I'm not sure I'll use this app a whole lot but I am willing to support 
a developer who promotes the use of braille.

I am eagerly awaiting grade 2 though.

At 05:30 PM 2/6/2013, you wrote:

Thanks for answering this, Raul.

We offer the free version of BrailleTouch so you can practice typing 
with it at no cost first and see if you like the app and if it works 
for you. The touchscreen braille keyboard is fully functional, and 
you can hear the characters or words you typed. But you can't do 
anything with the text you enter on the free version.


The reason we offer the free trial is so you can see if BrailleTouch 
works for you with the special way of holding the phone. For some 
people, it clicks right away and they can type quickly and 
accurately. For others, it takes some practice to find a comfortable 
way to hold the phone in the special way and to find the braille dots 
with accuracy, and then it clicks for them and they can write braille 
on the touchscreen intuitively. Several people have reported that 
they could never find a comfortable way to hold the phone in the 
special way.


If you have not yet tried BrailleTouch, please try it out for free 
and see if you like it. The User Guide and FAQ are on our website: 
http://brailletouchapp.com/. If you are having trouble with it, you 
may find the answer in the Help built into the app or by searching 
the viphone archives for the excellent suggestions from many people. 
You are also welcome to contact me directly at 
i...@brailletouchapp.com with any questions you may have.


We want everyone to try BrailleTouch for free first before they 
consider a purchase. Please make sure you are comfortable with 
holding the phone and you like the typing experience before you 
decide to buy the Upgrade.


I hope this helps!
Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/6/2013 2:22 PM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
Hi, the free version allows you to type and learn how to use the 
app, but you can't do anything with the text you type. Hope that helps.


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On 2/6/2013 7:05 AM, Mary Ellen Sanchez wrote:
Hello if I use the free version of Braille touch what can it be 
used with??
I ask as I would like to be able to possibly email or text using it 
thanks.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Barry Abbott
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list

Hold the iPod between the palms of your hands just where your 
fingers join
your hands. You want  the home button  to the right. Make sure that 
the

screen is facing away from your body.

The first, second and third fingers of your left hand are on the 
left; of
the iPod, the first, second and third fingers of your right hand 
are on the
right just past the home button. Your fingers are opposite each 
other. They

recommend you have a case because the iPod itself is very slippery.

Hope this helps.

Barry

On 2013-02-04, at 10:54 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:


Hello,
'
I have an IPOD 5 gen and it is confusing to me how to hold the ipod I
have.  Can you explain me that first?


On 2/4/13, Lea Langley  wrote:

Hi, what do you need help with. I will try to help. God bless, when

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:


--

"JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN'T MEAN HE LACKS
VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER

"Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND 
THINK!!"

By STEVIE WONDER

NIMIT KAUR

kaur.ni...@gmail.com
kaur.ni...@hotmail.com





So the backs



Hello Everyo

Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list!!!!

[Kevin Barry]

I just upgraded to the paid version after playing with the free 
practice mode for a little while.
I'm not sure I'll use this app a whole lot but I am willing to 
support a developer who promotes the use of braille.

I am eagerly awaiting grade 2 though.

At 05:30 PM 2/6/2013, you wrote:

Thanks for answering this, Raul.

We offer the free version of BrailleTouch so you can practice typing 
with it at no cost first and see if you like the app and if it works 
for you. The touchscreen braille keyboard is fully functional, and 
you can hear the characters or words you typed. But you can't do 
anything with the text you enter on the free version.


The reason we offer the free trial is so you can see if BrailleTouch 
works for you with the special way of holding the phone. For some 
people, it clicks right away and they can type quickly and 
accurately. For others, it takes some practice to find a comfortable 
way to hold the phone in the special way and to find the braille 
dots with accuracy, and then it clicks for them and they can write 
braille on the touchscreen intuitively. Several people have reported 
that they could never find a comfortable way to hold the phone in 
the special way.


If you have not yet tried BrailleTouch, please try it out for free 
and see if you like it. The User Guide and FAQ are on our website: 
http://brailletouchapp.com/. If you are having trouble with it, you 
may find the answer in the Help built into the app or by searching 
the viphone archives for the excellent suggestions from many people. 
You are also welcome to contact me directly at 
i...@brailletouchapp.com with any questions you may have.


We want everyone to try BrailleTouch for free first before they 
consider a purchase. Please make sure you are comfortable with 
holding the phone and you like the typing experience before you 
decide to buy the Upgrade.


I hope this helps!
Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/6/2013 2:22 PM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
Hi, the free version allows you to type and learn how to use the 
app, but you can't do anything with the text you type. Hope that helps.


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On 2/6/2013 7:05 AM, Mary Ellen Sanchez wrote:

Hello if I use the free version of Braille touch what can it be used with??
I ask as I would like to be able to possibly email or text using it thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Barry Abbott
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list

Hold the iPod between the palms of your hands just where your fingers join
your hands. You want  the home button  to the right. Make sure that the
screen is facing away from your body.

The first, second and third fingers of your left hand are on the left; of
the iPod, the first, second and third fingers of your right hand are on the
right just past the home button. Your fingers are opposite each other. They
recommend you have a case because the iPod itself is very slippery.

Hope this helps.

Barry

On 2013-02-04, at 10:54 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:


Hello,
'
I have an IPOD 5 gen and it is confusing to me how to hold the ipod I
have.  Can you explain me that first?


On 2/4/13, Lea Langley  wrote:

Hi, what do you need help with. I will try to help. God bless, when

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:


--

"JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN'T MEAN HE LACKS
VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER

"Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND THINK!!"
By STEVIE WONDER

NIMIT KAUR

kaur.ni...@gmail.com
kaur.ni...@hotmail.com





So the backs



Hello Everyone,

I am really sorry and I know that there has been a lot of discussions
about braille touch in these lists, but I am still kind of confused
but I love this app.  Can somebody be kind enough to bare with my
confusion and help me a bit more additionally?  I don't want to
clutter the list more than it already is, so I request the helpers to
contact me off these lists, so I don't make some people mad by asking
the same questions that have been answered but still I am confused.
Sorry very much and please somebody be nice and kind enough to help?
Thanks! Sorry if my messages come twice - my gmail has been weird
lately and I have no idea who to go to and google is not responding.
Thanks!

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RE: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list!!!!

[Jennie Facer]

You have to buy the upgrade in order to use it with anything. The free
version is just something to practice with just to get the hang of it.

Jenn

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Ellen Sanchez
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 6:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list

Hello if I use the free version of Braille touch what can it be used with??
I ask as I would like to be able to possibly email or text using it thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Barry Abbott
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list

Hold the iPod between the palms of your hands just where your fingers join
your hands. You want  the home button  to the right. Make sure that the
screen is facing away from your body.

The first, second and third fingers of your left hand are on the left; of
the iPod, the first, second and third fingers of your right hand are on the
right just past the home button. Your fingers are opposite each other. They
recommend you have a case because the iPod itself is very slippery.

Hope this helps.

Barry
 
On 2013-02-04, at 10:54 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:

> Hello,
> '
> I have an IPOD 5 gen and it is confusing to me how to hold the ipod I 
> have.  Can you explain me that first?
> 
> 
> On 2/4/13, Lea Langley  wrote:
>> Hi, what do you need help with. I will try to help. God bless, when
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 3, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:
>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> "JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN'T MEAN HE LACKS 
>>> VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER
>>> 
>>> "Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND THINK!!"
>>> By STEVIE WONDER
>>> 
>>> NIMIT KAUR
>>> 
>>> kaur.ni...@gmail.com
>>> kaur.ni...@hotmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So the backs
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I am really sorry and I know that there has been a lot of 
>>> discussions about braille touch in these lists, but I am still kind 
>>> of confused but I love this app.  Can somebody be kind enough to 
>>> bare with my confusion and help me a bit more additionally?  I don't 
>>> want to clutter the list more than it already is, so I request the 
>>> helpers to contact me off these lists, so I don't make some people 
>>> mad by asking the same questions that have been answered but still I am
confused.
>>> Sorry very much and please somebody be nice and kind enough to help?
>>> Thanks! Sorry if my messages come twice - my gmail has been weird 
>>> lately and I have no idea who to go to and google is not responding.
>>> Thanks!
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Re: braille touch

[Joe Paton]

John,

I can replicate the problem, if speech feedback is set to no 
feedback, from the settings list, select braille touch, it's in their.


Then if you use braille touch with vo turned on, you get no feedback. 
if you turn VO off, then the alternate speech system will voice key presses.


Might be worth checking this.

JP


At 13:56 06/02/2013, you wrote:

Hi all,
Just joined the group with my other email address.
Wonder if anyone can help.
my friend has installed the paid version of the brailletouch app on 
her iphone 4
since she got the upgrade when typing voiceover does not read what 
she types. if she turns voiceover off the app will speak.

if anyone has any ideas that will be great.
we did do the one tap when going in to typing this is very strange.
we did re install wonder if we should re set the phone.
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Re: braille touch

[BrailleTouch]

Hi John,

I'm very sorry your friend is having trouble with VoiceOver on 
BrailleTouch. Is VoiceOver working correctly in other apps? I would 
suggest resetting the phone by fully powering it off and then starting 
it again. If this does not work, please email me directly at 
i...@brailletouchapp.com.


Thanks!
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/6/2013 8:56 AM, John Gallagher wrote:

Hi all,
Just joined the group with my other email address.
Wonder if anyone can help.
my friend has installed the paid version of the brailletouch app on 
her iphone 4
since she got the upgrade when typing voiceover does not read what she 
types. if she turns voiceover off the app will speak.

if anyone has any ideas that will be great.
we did do the one tap when going in to typing this is very strange.
we did re install wonder if we should re set the phone.
thanks.



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Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list!!!!

[BrailleTouch]

Thanks for answering this, Raul.

We offer the free version of BrailleTouch so you can practice typing 
with it at no cost first and see if you like the app and if it works for 
you. The touchscreen braille keyboard is fully functional, and you can 
hear the characters or words you typed. But you can't do anything with 
the text you enter on the free version.


The reason we offer the free trial is so you can see if BrailleTouch 
works for you with the special way of holding the phone. For some 
people, it clicks right away and they can type quickly and accurately. 
For others, it takes some practice to find a comfortable way to hold the 
phone in the special way and to find the braille dots with accuracy, and 
then it clicks for them and they can write braille on the touchscreen 
intuitively. Several people have reported that they could never find a 
comfortable way to hold the phone in the special way.


If you have not yet tried BrailleTouch, please try it out for free and 
see if you like it. The User Guide and FAQ are on our website: 
http://brailletouchapp.com/. If you are having trouble with it, you may 
find the answer in the Help built into the app or by searching the 
viphone archives for the excellent suggestions from many people. You are 
also welcome to contact me directly at i...@brailletouchapp.com with any 
questions you may have.


We want everyone to try BrailleTouch for free first before they consider 
a purchase. Please make sure you are comfortable with holding the phone 
and you like the typing experience before you decide to buy the Upgrade.


I hope this helps!
Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/6/2013 2:22 PM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
Hi, the free version allows you to type and learn how to use the app, 
but you can't do anything with the text you type. Hope that helps.


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On 2/6/2013 7:05 AM, Mary Ellen Sanchez wrote:
Hello if I use the free version of Braille touch what can it be used 
with??
I ask as I would like to be able to possibly email or text using it 
thanks.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Barry Abbott
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list

Hold the iPod between the palms of your hands just where your fingers 
join

your hands. You want  the home button  to the right. Make sure that the
screen is facing away from your body.

The first, second and third fingers of your left hand are on the 
left; of
the iPod, the first, second and third fingers of your right hand are 
on the
right just past the home button. Your fingers are opposite each 
other. They

recommend you have a case because the iPod itself is very slippery.

Hope this helps.

Barry

On 2013-02-04, at 10:54 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:


Hello,
'
I have an IPOD 5 gen and it is confusing to me how to hold the ipod I
have.  Can you explain me that first?


On 2/4/13, Lea Langley  wrote:

Hi, what do you need help with. I will try to help. God bless, when

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:


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"JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN'T MEAN HE LACKS
VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER

"Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND THINK!!"
By STEVIE WONDER

NIMIT KAUR

kaur.ni...@gmail.com
kaur.ni...@hotmail.com





So the backs



Hello Everyone,

I am really sorry and I know that there has been a lot of discussions
about braille touch in these lists, but I am still kind of confused
but I love this app.  Can somebody be kind enough to bare with my
confusion and help me a bit more additionally?  I don't want to
clutter the list more than it already is, so I request the helpers to
contact me off these lists, so I don't make some people mad by asking
the same questions that have been answered but still I am confused.
Sorry very much and please somebody be nice and kind enough to help?
Thanks! Sorry if my messages come twice - my gmail has been weird
lately and I have no idea who to go to and google is not responding.
Thanks!

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Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list!!!!

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, the free version allows you to type and learn how to use the app, 
but you can't do anything with the text you type. Hope that helps.


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On 2/6/2013 7:05 AM, Mary Ellen Sanchez wrote:

Hello if I use the free version of Braille touch what can it be used with??
I ask as I would like to be able to possibly email or text using it thanks.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Barry Abbott
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list

Hold the iPod between the palms of your hands just where your fingers join
your hands. You want  the home button  to the right. Make sure that the
screen is facing away from your body.

The first, second and third fingers of your left hand are on the left; of
the iPod, the first, second and third fingers of your right hand are on the
right just past the home button. Your fingers are opposite each other. They
recommend you have a case because the iPod itself is very slippery.

Hope this helps.

Barry

On 2013-02-04, at 10:54 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:


Hello,
'
I have an IPOD 5 gen and it is confusing to me how to hold the ipod I
have.  Can you explain me that first?


On 2/4/13, Lea Langley  wrote:

Hi, what do you need help with. I will try to help. God bless, when

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:


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"JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN'T MEAN HE LACKS
VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER

"Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND THINK!!"
By STEVIE WONDER

NIMIT KAUR

kaur.ni...@gmail.com
kaur.ni...@hotmail.com





So the backs



Hello Everyone,

I am really sorry and I know that there has been a lot of discussions
about braille touch in these lists, but I am still kind of confused
but I love this app.  Can somebody be kind enough to bare with my
confusion and help me a bit more additionally?  I don't want to
clutter the list more than it already is, so I request the helpers to
contact me off these lists, so I don't make some people mad by asking
the same questions that have been answered but still I am confused.
Sorry very much and please somebody be nice and kind enough to help?
Thanks! Sorry if my messages come twice - my gmail has been weird
lately and I have no idea who to go to and google is not responding.
Thanks!

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RE: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list!!!!

[Mary Ellen Sanchez]

Hello if I use the free version of Braille touch what can it be used with??
I ask as I would like to be able to possibly email or text using it thanks.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:48 PM
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Subject: Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list

Hold the iPod between the palms of your hands just where your fingers join
your hands. You want  the home button  to the right. Make sure that the
screen is facing away from your body.

The first, second and third fingers of your left hand are on the left; of
the iPod, the first, second and third fingers of your right hand are on the
right just past the home button. Your fingers are opposite each other. They
recommend you have a case because the iPod itself is very slippery.

Hope this helps.

Barry
 
On 2013-02-04, at 10:54 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:

> Hello,
> '
> I have an IPOD 5 gen and it is confusing to me how to hold the ipod I
> have.  Can you explain me that first?
> 
> 
> On 2/4/13, Lea Langley  wrote:
>> Hi, what do you need help with. I will try to help. God bless, when
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 3, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:
>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> "JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN'T MEAN HE LACKS
>>> VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER
>>> 
>>> "Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND THINK!!"
>>> By STEVIE WONDER
>>> 
>>> NIMIT KAUR
>>> 
>>> kaur.ni...@gmail.com
>>> kaur.ni...@hotmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So the backs 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I am really sorry and I know that there has been a lot of discussions
>>> about braille touch in these lists, but I am still kind of confused
>>> but I love this app.  Can somebody be kind enough to bare with my
>>> confusion and help me a bit more additionally?  I don't want to
>>> clutter the list more than it already is, so I request the helpers to
>>> contact me off these lists, so I don't make some people mad by asking
>>> the same questions that have been answered but still I am confused.
>>> Sorry very much and please somebody be nice and kind enough to help?
>>> Thanks! Sorry if my messages come twice - my gmail has been weird
>>> lately and I have no idea who to go to and google is not responding.
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
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Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list!!!!

[Barry Abbott]

Hold the iPod between the palms of your hands just where your fingers join your 
hands. You want  the home button  to the right. Make sure that the  screen is 
facing away from your body.

The first, second and third fingers of your left hand are on the left; of the 
iPod, the first, second and third fingers of your right hand are on the right 
just past the home button. Your fingers are opposite each other. They recommend 
you have a case because the iPod itself is very slippery.

Hope this helps.

Barry
 
On 2013-02-04, at 10:54 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:

> Hello,
> '
> I have an IPOD 5 gen and it is confusing to me how to hold the ipod I
> have.  Can you explain me that first?
> 
> 
> On 2/4/13, Lea Langley  wrote:
>> Hi, what do you need help with. I will try to help. God bless, when
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 3, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:
>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> “JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN’T MEAN HE LACKS
>>> VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER
>>> 
>>> "Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND THINK!!"
>>> By STEVIE WONDER
>>> 
>>> NIMIT KAUR
>>> 
>>> kaur.ni...@gmail.com
>>> kaur.ni...@hotmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So the backs 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I am really sorry and I know that there has been a lot of discussions
>>> about braille touch in these lists, but I am still kind of confused
>>> but I love this app.  Can somebody be kind enough to bare with my
>>> confusion and help me a bit more additionally?  I don't want to
>>> clutter the list more than it already is, so I request the helpers to
>>> contact me off these lists, so I don't make some people mad by asking
>>> the same questions that have been answered but still I am confused.
>>> Sorry very much and please somebody be nice and kind enough to help?
>>> Thanks! Sorry if my messages come twice - my gmail has been weird
>>> lately and I have no idea who to go to and google is not responding.
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
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Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list!!!!

[Lea Langley]

Hi, I am sorry, but I do not have an iPod, so I can't help with that question. 
If you go to the BrailleTouch page you could maybe find out they are how to 
hold your iPod. They do have a comment place where you could send them an email 
and ask them. If you have any other questions please feel free to email me, and 
I will try to help.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:

> Hello,
> '
> I have an IPOD 5 gen and it is confusing to me how to hold the ipod I
> have.  Can you explain me that first?
> 
> 
> On 2/4/13, Lea Langley  wrote:
>> Hi, what do you need help with. I will try to help. God bless, when
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 3, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:
>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> “JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN’T MEAN HE LACKS
>>> VISION!!" By STEVIE WONDER
>>> 
>>> "Just BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE DOESN't MEAN YOU CAN'T HEAR AND THINK!!"
>>> By STEVIE WONDER
>>> 
>>> NIMIT KAUR
>>> 
>>> kaur.ni...@gmail.com
>>> kaur.ni...@hotmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I am really sorry and I know that there has been a lot of discussions
>>> about braille touch in these lists, but I am still kind of confused
>>> but I love this app.  Can somebody be kind enough to bare with my
>>> confusion and help me a bit more additionally?  I don't want to
>>> clutter the list more than it already is, so I request the helpers to
>>> contact me off these lists, so I don't make some people mad by asking
>>> the same questions that have been answered but still I am confused.
>>> Sorry very much and please somebody be nice and kind enough to help?
>>> Thanks! Sorry if my messages come twice - my gmail has been weird
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>>> Thanks!
>>> 
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Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list!!!!

[Nimit Kaur]

Hello,
'
I have an IPOD 5 gen and it is confusing to me how to hold the ipod I
have.  Can you explain me that first?


On 2/4/13, Lea Langley  wrote:
> Hi, what do you need help with. I will try to help. God bless, when
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:
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>> kaur.ni...@hotmail.com
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I am really sorry and I know that there has been a lot of discussions
>> about braille touch in these lists, but I am still kind of confused
>> but I love this app.  Can somebody be kind enough to bare with my
>> confusion and help me a bit more additionally?  I don't want to
>> clutter the list more than it already is, so I request the helpers to
>> contact me off these lists, so I don't make some people mad by asking
>> the same questions that have been answered but still I am confused.
>> Sorry very much and please somebody be nice and kind enough to help?
>> Thanks! Sorry if my messages come twice - my gmail has been weird
>> lately and I have no idea who to go to and google is not responding.
>> Thanks!
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Re: Braille Touch Additional Help - contact me off list!!!!

[Lea Langley]

Hi, what do you need help with. I will try to help. God bless, when

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Nimit Kaur  wrote:

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> “JUST BECAUSE A MAN LACKS THE USE OF HIS EYES DOESN’T MEAN HE LACKS
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> 
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> By STEVIE WONDER
> 
> NIMIT KAUR
> 
> kaur.ni...@gmail.com
> kaur.ni...@hotmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I am really sorry and I know that there has been a lot of discussions
> about braille touch in these lists, but I am still kind of confused
> but I love this app.  Can somebody be kind enough to bare with my
> confusion and help me a bit more additionally?  I don't want to
> clutter the list more than it already is, so I request the helpers to
> contact me off these lists, so I don't make some people mad by asking
> the same questions that have been answered but still I am confused.
> Sorry very much and please somebody be nice and kind enough to help?
> Thanks! Sorry if my messages come twice - my gmail has been weird
> lately and I have no idea who to go to and google is not responding.
> Thanks!
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Carla Savage]

Hi Cheryl,
I aggree that having both settings would be of benefit. I, like you 
don't have a problem, although I do make mistakes but am getting 
better at it all the time. I think that the way it is currently, 
means that it is easier to type when you're out and about but I can 
understand why people would like to have the keys round the other 
way. Having a choice of how you want to do things would be brilliant!

Take care,
Cokes.
At 19:12 01/02/2013, you wrote:
I wouldn't mind trying a horizontal layout and that is the way I 
pictured it until I heard the podcast. However, I don't find facing 
the phone outward to be spatially confusing; I think that's a matter 
of how each person looks at it. And I also don't find that I have to 
do hand-twisting to use BrailleTouch this way. I'm also not making 
lots of mistakes now that i'm getting used to it. My purpose isn't 
to deny or belittle others' opinions at all; I'm just saying that 
these statements, as well as my own here, are matters of personal 
preference and opinion rather than inevitable fact. It is not 
inevitable that everyone finds the position spatially confusing or 
feels they are doing hand-twisting but some people feel that way. It 
is also not inevitable that everyone find typing this way helpful 
and comfortable, as I for the most part do, though hopefully I am 
not the only one who does feel this way. Perhaps having both 
positions available would be the best of all worlds but I'm not in a 
position to know how feasible that really is. But it would be a dull 
world if we all thought about everything the same way even though it 
might make it easier for developers :-)


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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Don Breda]

I too would like this but I must say switching the dots around in
settings did help me quite a bit.

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Re: Braille Touch, Maybe Its Own List?

[Chris H]

I'm not Caleb but you can go to
www.brailletouchapp.com
and click the support link.



Christopher Hallsworth

On 03/02/2013 00:33, Regina Alvarado wrote:

I do think the traffic will slow, and there is a delete key! I for one will not 
participate in a forum on Internet.  I appreciate the developers on list, and 
if I don't want to hear the chatter, I delete the conversation.  Caleb, I have 
appreciated your help and don't apologize for being here.  since I may need 
further help due to my circumstances, is there a feedback email to contact your 
team so I don't clutter up the list?

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:07 PM, BrailleTouch  wrote:


Hi Joe,

I apologize to you and to the moderators about all the list traffic on 
BrailleTouch. Anyone who has a specific question that may not be of general 
interest to the list can contact me directly at our support or contact pages.

I may offer a forum in the near future. I started working on it before the 
release, but I am still working to make sure it is fully accessible before 
launching the forum.

Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/2/2013 6:46 PM, Joe wrote:

I’ve not yet checked out the benefits of Braille Touch, and for those of us not 
interested, would there be a benefit to creating a list specific to the app? 
There have been scores of e-mails devoted to the subject that some of us wish 
would be minimized in light of the high traffic here under the best of 
circumstances. No bash against Braille Touch or the people that are using it. 
I’m just wondering if we can do a little traffic control is all. And, yeah, my 
Delete key could use some exercise, except people keep changing the subject 
line to make deleting threads almost impractical. Thanks for considering.

Joe
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Peter Holdstock]

Tge screen curtain probably also saves battery power as it’s not have to 
illuminate the screen.

Peter

From: Alan Paganelli 
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

Fair point.  I didn't think of it as I rarely use head phones.  I'll use an ear 
peace for phone calls because I need my hands free so that's why it never 
occurred to me.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Woody Anna Dresner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:14 AM
  Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

  Hi,

  If I'm in public, I tend to use headphones. If you use headphones and the 
screen curtain is on, people won't know what you're typing.

  Best,
  Anna



  On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:52 AM, "Alan Paganelli"  
wrote:

  > I may be nuts here but if your using this app or any other app for that 
matter and are using voice over, it seems to me that turning the screen curtain 
on offers little protection.  People can still hear.  Voice Over speech is 
clear enough for even the sighted to understand.  If I've got the wrong end of 
it please tell me why but I just don't see how the curtain is any big deal 
worth bothering over.
  > - Original Message -
  > From: BrailleTouch
  > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:06 PM
  > Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
  > 
  > Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned 
  > about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12
  > 
  > Caleb
  > http://brailletouchapp.com/
  > 
  > 
  > On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:
  > > I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with 
the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read 
what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. 
That could be an issue for me down the road.
  > >
  > > Bob Fenton
  > >
  > > Sent from my iPhone
  > >
  > > On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner  
wrote:
  > >
  > >> I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
  > >> phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
  > >> the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
  > >> phone on a flat surface to input.
  > >>
  > >> Kim
  > >>
  > >> On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:
  > >>> I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
  > >>>
  > >>> Sent from my iPod
  > >>>
  > >>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
  > >>>
  > >>>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before 
release,
  > >>>> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try 
the
  > >>>> app before purchase is excellent.
  > >>>>
  > >>>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I 
think
  > >>>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that 
you
  > >>>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
  > >>>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you 
don't.
  > >>>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
  > >>>> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
  > >>>> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
  > >>>> under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the 
cell,
  > >>>> but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
  > >>>> refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille 
as
  > >>>> the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
  > >>>>
  > >>>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I 
think
  > >>>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part 
I'd
  > >>>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
  > >>>> devices.
  > >>>>
  > >>>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
  > >>>>
  > >>>> Jonathan
  > >>>>
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Alan Paganelli]

Fair point.  I didn't think of it as I rarely use head phones.  I'll use an ear 
peace for phone calls because I need my hands free so that's why it never 
occurred to me.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Woody Anna Dresner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:14 AM
  Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected


  Hi,

  If I'm in public, I tend to use headphones. If you use headphones and the 
screen curtain is on, people won't know what you're typing.

  Best,
  Anna



  On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:52 AM, "Alan Paganelli"  
wrote:

  > I may be nuts here but if your using this app or any other app for that 
matter and are using voice over, it seems to me that turning the screen curtain 
on offers little protection.  People can still hear.  Voice Over speech is 
clear enough for even the sighted to understand.  If I've got the wrong end of 
it please tell me why but I just don't see how the curtain is any big deal 
worth bothering over.
  > - Original Message -
  > From: BrailleTouch
  > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:06 PM
  > Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
  > 
  > Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned 
  > about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12
  > 
  > Caleb
  > http://brailletouchapp.com/
  > 
  > 
  > On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:
  > > I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with 
the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read 
what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. 
That could be an issue for me down the road.
  > >
  > > Bob Fenton
  > >
  > > Sent from my iPhone
  > >
  > > On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner  
wrote:
  > >
  > >> I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
  > >> phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
  > >> the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
  > >> phone on a flat surface to input.
  > >>
  > >> Kim
  > >>
  > >> On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:
  > >>> I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
  > >>>
  > >>> Sent from my iPod
  > >>>
  > >>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
  > >>>
  > >>>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before 
release,
  > >>>> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try 
the
  > >>>> app before purchase is excellent.
  > >>>>
  > >>>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I 
think
  > >>>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that 
you
  > >>>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
  > >>>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you 
don't.
  > >>>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
  > >>>> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
  > >>>> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
  > >>>> under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the 
cell,
  > >>>> but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
  > >>>> refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille 
as
  > >>>> the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
  > >>>>
  > >>>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I 
think
  > >>>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part 
I'd
  > >>>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
  > >>>> devices.
  > >>>>
  > >>>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
  > >>>>
  > >>>> Jonathan
  > >>>>
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Re: Braille Touch, Maybe Its Own List?

[Alan Paganelli]

I'd suggest that the app is new.  Flecksy drove me nuts but it eventually died 
down.  This will pass too.  Just exersize patients.  Or at least i hope it 
will! LOL!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:46 PM
  Subject: Braille Touch, Maybe Its Own List?


  I've not yet checked out the benefits of Braille Touch, and for those of us 
not interested, would there be a benefit to creating a list specific to the 
app? There have been scores of e-mails devoted to the subject that some of us 
wish would be minimized in light of the high traffic here under the best of 
circumstances. No bash against Braille Touch or the people that are using it. 
I'm just wondering if we can do a little traffic control is all. And, yeah, my 
Delete key could use some exercise, except people keep changing the subject 
line to make deleting threads almost impractical. Thanks for considering.

   

  Joe


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Re: Braille touch.

[Norm Jackson]

I am going to have some explaining to do to my wife but I just bought
the Braille Touch App.

I switched from Android and have always missed my droid 2 Global
keyboard. That is until now.

I can't wait to use this in church and meetings to take notes.

My thanks to the developers for their hard work.  I am also impressed
with the responses I have seen on this  list.
Being able to practice with this app made all the difference in the world.

Maybe I will just tell my wife she got me an early valentines day gift. smile

Best Regards,

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Re: Braille Touch, Maybe Its Own List?

[Regina Alvarado]

I do think the traffic will slow, and there is a delete key! I for one will not 
participate in a forum on Internet.  I appreciate the developers on list, and 
if I don't want to hear the chatter, I delete the conversation.  Caleb, I have 
appreciated your help and don't apologize for being here.  since I may need 
further help due to my circumstances, is there a feedback email to contact your 
team so I don't clutter up the list?

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:07 PM, BrailleTouch  wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> 
> I apologize to you and to the moderators about all the list traffic on 
> BrailleTouch. Anyone who has a specific question that may not be of general 
> interest to the list can contact me directly at our support or contact pages.
> 
> I may offer a forum in the near future. I started working on it before the 
> release, but I am still working to make sure it is fully accessible before 
> launching the forum.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> 
> On 2/2/2013 6:46 PM, Joe wrote:
>> I’ve not yet checked out the benefits of Braille Touch, and for those of us 
>> not interested, would there be a benefit to creating a list specific to the 
>> app? There have been scores of e-mails devoted to the subject that some of 
>> us wish would be minimized in light of the high traffic here under the best 
>> of circumstances. No bash against Braille Touch or the people that are using 
>> it. I’m just wondering if we can do a little traffic control is all. And, 
>> yeah, my Delete key could use some exercise, except people keep changing the 
>> subject line to make deleting threads almost impractical. Thanks for 
>> considering.
>>  
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Re: Braille Touch, Maybe Its Own List?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree there's been a lot of list traffic, but I'm not sure it's any
different than any time a new product is announced. I haven't purchased
this app, but I don't mind using my delete key and taking advantage of
my email clients threaded or conversation mode to quickly delete all
messages in a thread.

On 02/02/13 18:07, BrailleTouch wrote:
> Hi Joe,
> 
> I apologize to you and to the moderators about all the list traffic on
> BrailleTouch. Anyone who has a specific question that may not be of
> general interest to the list can contact me directly at our support
>  or contact
>  pages.
> 
> I may offer a forum in the near future. I started working on it before
> the release, but I am still working to make sure it is fully accessible
> before launching the forum.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> 
> On 2/2/2013 6:46 PM, Joe wrote:
>>
>> I’ve not yet checked out the benefits of Braille Touch, and for those
>> of us not interested, would there be a benefit to creating a list
>> specific to the app? There have been scores of e-mails devoted to the
>> subject that some of us wish would be minimized in light of the high
>> traffic here under the best of circumstances. No bash against Braille
>> Touch or the people that are using it. I’m just wondering if we can do
>> a little traffic control is all. And, yeah, my Delete key could use
>> some exercise, except people keep changing the subject line to make
>> deleting threads almost impractical. Thanks for considering.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Joe
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Re: Braille Touch, Maybe Its Own List?

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Joe,

I apologize to you and to the moderators about all the list traffic on 
BrailleTouch. Anyone who has a specific question that may not be of 
general interest to the list can contact me directly at our support 
 or contact 
 pages.


I may offer a forum in the near future. I started working on it before 
the release, but I am still working to make sure it is fully accessible 
before launching the forum.


Best wishes,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/2/2013 6:46 PM, Joe wrote:


I've not yet checked out the benefits of Braille Touch, and for those 
of us not interested, would there be a benefit to creating a list 
specific to the app? There have been scores of e-mails devoted to the 
subject that some of us wish would be minimized in light of the high 
traffic here under the best of circumstances. No bash against Braille 
Touch or the people that are using it. I'm just wondering if we can do 
a little traffic control is all. And, yeah, my Delete key could use 
some exercise, except people keep changing the subject line to make 
deleting threads almost impractical. Thanks for considering.


Joe

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Re: Braille touch

[Tom Lange]

Hi Patti,
I'm using BrailleTouch on my iPhone 4; it works fine.

Tom

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  I can't get past the welcome screen and its message.
  I wonder since I have a Iphone 4 will I be able to use this app?
  Patti





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RE: Braille touch

[Patti Johnson]

Ah, I forgot about turning the phone.
Maybe this will work.
Patti
 
 
 
 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jennie Facer
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 1:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille touch



You should be able to. Flick left, and there should be a start typing
button. If you can't find by flicking left, the flick right.

 

Jenn

 

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I can't get past the welcome screen and its message.

I wonder since I have a Iphone 4 will I be able to use this app?

Patti

 

 

 

 

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RE: Braille touch

[Jennie Facer]

You should be able to. Flick left, and there should be a start typing
button. If you can't find by flicking left, the flick right.

 

Jenn

 

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Subject: Braille touch

 

I can't get past the welcome screen and its message.

I wonder since I have a Iphone 4 will I be able to use this app?

Patti

 

 

 

 

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BrailleTouch, horizontal placement? was RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Richard Turner]

I put my six fingers on the screen of my iPod Touch 5th Generation and they
are tight together.
Same of course on the iPHone 5.
I don't have particularly large hands, but I would find that placement
really difficult.
If I was using a 4S, it would be impossible.

However, for those who can manage that orientation, it would be good to
offer that as an option, along with the current option of flipping dots a
and 3, etc.

JMO,
Richard


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

I would have to add my agreement with this as well.  I would definitely 
prefer a horizontal placement for the Braille input.  I did manage to 
get my head around the current method being used but the horizontal 
placement would be so much easier  to use IMHO.


Best,

Rick alfaro

On 2/1/2013 1:36 PM, Aman Singer wrote:
> Hello, Jonathan and all.
> I would respectfully agree with Jonathan. I would love a setting to
> allow entry using the screen divided into six rectangles horizontally
> across the screen, as it is on the Perkins and, for example, also on
> the refreshabraille. Remember that the virtual keys are long, so there
> doesn't need to be any hand twisting for the fingers to land on the
> right spots as there would be with button keys. I would be more than
> happy to trade the ability to type without a flat surface for the
> ability to type on such a six horizontal dot keyboard. I would be even
> more pleased if this were a setting which could be changed.
> Aman
>
> On 2/1/13, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
>> I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
>> phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
>> the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
>> phone on a flat surface to input.
>>
>> Kim
>>
>> On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:
>>> I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before
release,
>>>> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try
>>>> the
>>>> app before purchase is excellent.
>>>>
>>>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I
think
>>>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that
>>>> you
>>>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
>>>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you
>>>> don't.
>>>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
>>>> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
>>>> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
>>>> under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the
>>>> cell,
>>>> but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
>>>> refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille
as
>>>> the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I
>>>> think
>>>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part
I'd
>>>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
>>>> devices.
>>>>
>>>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Rick Alfaro]

I would like to see it as an option, maybe even switchable right from 
the BrailleTouch menu instead of in settings.



Best,

Rick alfaro

On 2/1/2013 4:02 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I would definitely not be willing to trade this possible future option for 
horizontal key arrangement for the inability to type when I don't have a flat 
surface. I think this horizontal arrangement could be really useful if and when 
the app is made available for iPads, but on the phone, unless I had access to a 
proper desk, not my lap or other precarious position, I think the current 
arrangement is quite usable. Sure, it is different, but so is a touch screen 
different from what we were all use to not that long ago. If this option can be 
just that, an option, great. But particularly on the phone, I would really not 
like it.

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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Rick Alfaro]

I would have to add my agreement with this as well.  I would definitely 
prefer a horizontal placement for the Braille input.  I did manage to 
get my head around the current method being used but the horizontal 
placement would be so much easier  to use IMHO.



Best,

Rick alfaro

On 2/1/2013 1:36 PM, Aman Singer wrote:

Hello, Jonathan and all.
I would respectfully agree with Jonathan. I would love a setting to
allow entry using the screen divided into six rectangles horizontally
across the screen, as it is on the Perkins and, for example, also on
the refreshabraille. Remember that the virtual keys are long, so there
doesn't need to be any hand twisting for the fingers to land on the
right spots as there would be with button keys. I would be more than
happy to trade the ability to type without a flat surface for the
ability to type on such a six horizontal dot keyboard. I would be even
more pleased if this were a setting which could be changed.
Aman

On 2/1/13, Kimber Gardner  wrote:

I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
phone on a flat surface to input.

Kim

On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:

I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!

Sent from my iPod

On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:


Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release,
but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try
the
app before purchase is excellent.

I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think
this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that
you
would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you
don't.
On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the
cell,
but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as
the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.

I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I
think
there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd
find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
devices.

Congrats to the developers on the app.

Jonathan

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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

If I'm in public, I tend to use headphones. If you use headphones and the 
screen curtain is on, people won't know what you're typing.

Best,
Anna



On Feb 2, 2013, at 8:52 AM, "Alan Paganelli"  
wrote:

> I may be nuts here but if your using this app or any other app for that 
> matter and are using voice over, it seems to me that turning the screen 
> curtain on offers little protection.  People can still hear.  Voice Over 
> speech is clear enough for even the sighted to understand.  If I've got the 
> wrong end of it please tell me why but I just don't see how the curtain is 
> any big deal worth bothering over.
> - Original Message -
> From: BrailleTouch
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
> 
> Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned 
> about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12
> 
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> 
> On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:
> > I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with 
> > the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can 
> > read what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen 
> > curtain on. That could be an issue for me down the road.
> >
> > Bob Fenton
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner  
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
> >> phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
> >> the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
> >> phone on a flat surface to input.
> >>
> >> Kim
> >>
> >> On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:
> >>> I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPod
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release,
> >>>> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try 
> >>>> the
> >>>> app before purchase is excellent.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think
> >>>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you
> >>>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
> >>>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't.
> >>>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
> >>>> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
> >>>> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
> >>>> under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the 
> >>>> cell,
> >>>> but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
> >>>> refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as
> >>>> the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
> >>>>
> >>>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think
> >>>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd
> >>>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
> >>>> devices.
> >>>>
> >>>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jonathan
> >>>>
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Regina Alvarado]

No, i have not found the text on the screen either without going back into the 
menu, but what I would like to see is a way to fix the text before putting it 
in whatEveR you are writing for. Thanks for suggestion about finding the 
square. Helps!

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:04 AM, "RobH!"  wrote:

> It is worth noting that the text isn't on the screen as you type,  or I've 
> not found it there yet.  I flick into the menu to read it,  and tend to flip 
> the phone back to face me to do it;   though I can operate it quite well 
> without.  Just a visual habit I picked up when I could see enough for it to 
> matter.
> 
> Rh.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 5:45 AM
> Subject: RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
> 
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> You can also turn screen brightness to 0%. First of all this will save you a
> bit of battery and while it is possible to read text with brightness at 0,
> it is very difficult and somebody would have to be quite close.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of BrailleTouch
> Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected
> 
> Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned
> about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12
> 
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> 
> On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:
>> I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with
> the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read
> what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on.
> That could be an issue for me down the road.
>> 
>> Bob Fenton
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner 
> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
>>> phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
>>> the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
>>> phone on a flat surface to input.
>>> 
>>> Kim
>>> 
>>> On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:
>>>> I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before
> release,
>>>>> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try
> the
>>>>> app before purchase is excellent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I
> think
>>>>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that
> you
>>>>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
>>>>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you
> don't.
>>>>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
>>>>> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
>>>>> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
>>>>> under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the
> cell,
>>>>> but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
>>>>> refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille
> as
>>>>> the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I
> think
>>>>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part
> I'd
>>>>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
>>>>> devices.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>> 
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Alan Paganelli]

I may be nuts here but if your using this app or any other app for that matter 
and are using voice over, it seems to me that turning the screen curtain on 
offers little protection.  People can still hear.  Voice Over speech is clear 
enough for even the sighted to understand.  If I've got the wrong end of it 
please tell me why but I just don't see how the curtain is any big deal worth 
bothering over.
  - Original Message - 
  From: BrailleTouch 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 8:06 PM
  Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected


  Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned 
  about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12

  Caleb
  http://brailletouchapp.com/


  On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:
  > I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with 
the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read 
what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. 
That could be an issue for me down the road.
  >
  > Bob Fenton
  >
  > Sent from my iPhone
  >
  > On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner  
wrote:
  >
  >> I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
  >> phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
  >> the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
  >> phone on a flat surface to input.
  >>
  >> Kim
  >>
  >> On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:
  >>> I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
  >>>
  >>> Sent from my iPod
  >>>
  >>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
  >>>
  >>>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release,
  >>>> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try 
the
  >>>> app before purchase is excellent.
  >>>>
  >>>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think
  >>>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you
  >>>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
  >>>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't.
  >>>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
  >>>> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
  >>>> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
  >>>> under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the 
cell,
  >>>> but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
  >>>> refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as
  >>>> the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
  >>>>
  >>>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think
  >>>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd
  >>>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
  >>>> devices.
  >>>>
  >>>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
  >>>>
  >>>> Jonathan
  >>>>
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[RobH!]

It is worth noting that the text isn't on the screen as you type,  or I've 
not found it there yet.  I flick into the menu to read it,  and tend to flip 
the phone back to face me to do it;   though I can operate it quite well 
without.  Just a visual habit I picked up when I could see enough for it to 
matter.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected


Hi Bob,

You can also turn screen brightness to 0%. First of all this will save you a
bit of battery and while it is possible to read text with brightness at 0,
it is very difficult and somebody would have to be quite close.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of BrailleTouch
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned
about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12

Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:
> I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with
the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read
what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on.
That could be an issue for me down the road.
>
> Bob Fenton
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner 
wrote:
>
>> I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
>> phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
>> the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
>> phone on a flat surface to input.
>>
>> Kim
>>
>> On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:
>>> I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before
release,
>>>> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try
the
>>>> app before purchase is excellent.
>>>>
>>>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I
think
>>>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that
you
>>>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
>>>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you
don't.
>>>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
>>>> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
>>>> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
>>>> under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the
cell,
>>>> but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
>>>> refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille
as
>>>> the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I
think
>>>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part
I'd
>>>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
>>>> devices.
>>>>
>>>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
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Re: Braille Touch without Voice over

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Tom,
This is an iPhone question and is not specific to BrailleTouch. The 
shortcut to turn VoiceOver on and off is triple click home. You tap the 
home button quickly three times. This will work only if in the iPhone 
Settings the Triple Click Home shortcut is set to control VoiceOver.


Otherwise, you can go to the iPhone settings app. Go to General, and 
then Accessibility.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/2/2013 10:19 AM, Tom rash wrote:
How do you turn voice over off. I went to settings but just see that 
without voice over as a heading with no control to turn it off.


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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[ROBERT CARTER]

Hi All,

For me, one of the keys to really getting comfortable and fast with 
BrailleTouch has been to find the best way for me to hold the phone so that it 
feels very secure in my hands.

I am sure that we will all hold it slightly differently because of the size of 
our hands and just general preferences. For me, I do not have my iPhone 5 in a 
case. I like to position the phone so that the top where the lock button is 
located is against my left palm. I put my little finger on the bottom side and 
my thumb near the volume buttons on the top. With my right hand, I take a 
similar position on the right end of the phone but do not put my palm all the 
way against the phone. This way my hand does not cover the speaker. Holding the 
phone in this way positions my fingers perfectly to write the braille patterns.

I think part of the point of BrailleTouch is that you can create text without 
having to have a flat surface, and additional keyboard and so on. Believe me, 
it feels a little awkward at first but if you take the time to find the holding 
position that allows you to feel confident that you are not going to drop the 
phone, BrailleTouch will quickly become a joy to use.

Robert Carter


On Feb 2, 2013, at 1:44 AM, Louise Redsull  wrote:

> i completely agree with what you are saying. I am loving braille touch and 
> have quickly got used to holding the phone differently. I must commend the 
> developers on this inovative idea. The problem with having the dots 
> orientated like a perkins is that there will not be enough space for your 
> fingers. I also would not like to give up the ability to type when no flat 
> surface is available as  i think this is an essential feature. 
> Just my thoughts, 
> Louise
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 1 Feb 2013, at 19:12, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> I wouldn't mind trying a horizontal layout and that is the way I pictured it 
>> until I heard the podcast. However, I don't find facing the phone outward to 
>> be spatially confusing; I think that's a matter of how each person looks at 
>> it. And I also don't find that I have to do hand-twisting to use 
>> BrailleTouch this way. I'm also not making lots of mistakes now that i'm 
>> getting used to it. My purpose isn't to deny or belittle others' opinions at 
>> all; I'm just saying that these statements, as well as my own here, are 
>> matters of personal preference and opinion rather than inevitable fact. It 
>> is not inevitable that everyone finds the position spatially confusing or 
>> feels they are doing hand-twisting but some people feel that way. It is also 
>> not inevitable that everyone find typing this way helpful and comfortable, 
>> as I for the most part do, though hopefully I am not the only one who does 
>> feel this way. Perhaps having both positions available would be the best of 
>> all worlds but I'm not in a position to know how feasible that really is. 
>> But it would be a dull world if we all thought about everything the same way 
>> even though it might make it easier for developers :-)
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> May the words of my mouth
>> and the meditation of my heart
>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Louise Redsull]

i completely agree with what you are saying. I am loving braille touch and have 
quickly got used to holding the phone differently. I must commend the 
developers on this inovative idea. The problem with having the dots orientated 
like a perkins is that there will not be enough space for your fingers. I also 
would not like to give up the ability to type when no flat surface is available 
as  i think this is an essential feature. 
Just my thoughts, 
Louise

Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Feb 2013, at 19:12, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> I wouldn't mind trying a horizontal layout and that is the way I pictured it 
> until I heard the podcast. However, I don't find facing the phone outward to 
> be spatially confusing; I think that's a matter of how each person looks at 
> it. And I also don't find that I have to do hand-twisting to use BrailleTouch 
> this way. I'm also not making lots of mistakes now that i'm getting used to 
> it. My purpose isn't to deny or belittle others' opinions at all; I'm just 
> saying that these statements, as well as my own here, are matters of personal 
> preference and opinion rather than inevitable fact. It is not inevitable that 
> everyone finds the position spatially confusing or feels they are doing 
> hand-twisting but some people feel that way. It is also not inevitable that 
> everyone find typing this way helpful and comfortable, as I for the most part 
> do, though hopefully I am not the only one who does feel this way. Perhaps 
> having both positions available would be the best of all worlds but I'm not 
> in a position to know how feasible that really is. But it would be a dull 
> world if we all thought about everything the same way even though it might 
> make it easier for developers :-)
> 
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RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Bob,

You can also turn screen brightness to 0%. First of all this will save you a
bit of battery and while it is possible to read text with brightness at 0,
it is very difficult and somebody would have to be quite close.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned 
about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12

Caleb
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On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:
> I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with
the application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read
what you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on.
That could be an issue for me down the road.
>
> Bob Fenton
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner 
wrote:
>
>> I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
>> phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
>> the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
>> phone on a flat surface to input.
>>
>> Kim
>>
>> On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:
>>> I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before
release,
>>>> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try
the
>>>> app before purchase is excellent.
>>>>
>>>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I
think
>>>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that
you
>>>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
>>>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you
don't.
>>>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
>>>> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
>>>> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
>>>> under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the
cell,
>>>> but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
>>>> refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille
as
>>>> the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I
think
>>>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part
I'd
>>>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
>>>> devices.
>>>>
>>>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[BrailleTouch]

Bob, we do recommend turning the screen curtain on if you are concerned 
about this. This is in our FAQ: http://brailletouchapp.com/faq.html#a12


Caleb
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On 2/1/2013 10:01 PM, Robert Fenton wrote:

I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with the 
application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read what 
you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. That 
could be an issue for me down the road.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner  wrote:


I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
phone on a flat surface to input.

Kim

On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:

I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!

Sent from my iPod

On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:


Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release,
but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the
app before purchase is excellent.

I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think
this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you
would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't.
On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell,
but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as
the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.

I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think
there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd
find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
devices.

Congrats to the developers on the app.

Jonathan

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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Robert Fenton]

I agree with that suggestion. With holding the phone- as   we do it with the 
application now, there is a potential security risk that people can read what 
you're writing on your iPhone if you failed to turn screen curtain on. That 
could be an issue for me down the road.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-02-01, at 11:31 AM, Kimber Gardner  wrote:

> I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
> phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
> the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
> phone on a flat surface to input.
> 
> Kim
> 
> On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:
>> I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release,
>>> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the
>>> app before purchase is excellent.
>>> 
>>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think
>>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you
>>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
>>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't.
>>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
>>> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
>>> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
>>> under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell,
>>> but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
>>> refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as
>>> the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
>>> 
>>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think
>>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd
>>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
>>> devices.
>>> 
>>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Len Burns]

It seems to me that a central factor in this discussion is whether and
how much people are accustomed toinputing via a device such as a braille
display.  I could probably adjust to the positioning, but because I
input a lot these days with the Focus, I am accustomed to the lay out.
I also am waiting until grade 2 is supported.  Because I have written
braille since I was knee high, it takes a great deal of focus for me to
write accurately in grade 1.  In grade 2 I write rapidly, often more so
than on a qwerty.

-Len

On 2/1/2013 2:11 PM, liz and sammie wrote:
> The only issue that I am having with Braille Touch, and frankly, I'm not
> sure if this is even a Braille Touch issue, is that I can't paste text
> from Braille Touch into a facebook status.  Facebook has recently
> updated the app, so I'm thinking this is a facebook issue.  Other than
> that, for me, Braille Touch is wonderful.  Yes, it takes time, practice,
> and coordination to get the holding position of the phone down, but that
> is no big deal.
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Keith Bundy]

Excellent, Scott. I compared my typing on BrailleTouch and Fleksy, which is a 
program I really like. I just started playing with BrailleTouch yesterday, and 
have already eclipsed my Fleksy speed. That's why I decided to buy it. 

As you said very well, everyone is an individual, and some may not reach an 
acceptable speed with BrailleTouch. But I, for one, have adjusted well, and am 
very happy I made the 
purchase.
Imagine our typing speed if Grade 2 was there!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 1, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:

> I agree that this should be an option in a future update. I think it
> would apply to a larger market this way, since people are different at
> everything, this includes braille. I think I would find this easier
> myself, though I'm quite adjusted to the way they have it set up. It
> took me about a week before I was able to get up to the 35 wpm I can
> do with it now. I've been using the app since late December, and it
> seems that 35 WPM or so is about as high as I'll ever get with it.
> Certainly much faster than I was with Flesky or the virtual keyboard.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 2/1/13, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> I wouldn't mind trying a horizontal layout and that is the way I pictured it
>> until I heard the podcast. However, I don't find facing the phone outward to
>> be spatially confusing; I think that's a matter of how each person looks at
>> it. And I also don't find that I have to do hand-twisting to use
>> BrailleTouch this way. I'm also not making lots of mistakes now that i'm
>> getting used to it. My purpose isn't to deny or belittle others' opinions at
>> all; I'm just saying that these statements, as well as my own here, are
>> matters of personal preference and opinion rather than inevitable fact. It
>> is not inevitable that everyone finds the position spatially confusing or
>> feels they are doing hand-twisting but some people feel that way. It is also
>> not inevitable that everyone find typing this way helpful and comfortable,
>> as I for the most part do, though hopefully I am not the only one who does
>> feel this way. Perhaps having both positions available would be the best of
>> all worlds but I'm not in a position to know how feasible that really is.
>> But it would be a dull world if we all thought about everything the same way
>> even though it might make it easier for developers :-)
>> 
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>> and the meditation of my heart
>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>> my rock and my Redeemer.
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RE: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Lu Ann Schmidt]

I would also like to be able to put it on a flat surface.  I found it awkward 
to type with the way you have to hold the phone and use your fingers to type.  
I feel like there's more potential for dropping the phone.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimber Gardner
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 11:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the phone 
and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign the keys in the 
perkins style even if that means having to place the phone on a flat surface to 
input.

Kim

On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:
> I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before 
>> release, but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that 
>> you can try the app before purchase is excellent.
>>
>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I 
>> think this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I 
>> imagined that you would input Braille in the same way that you would 
>> on a Perkins or refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But 
>> really you don't.
>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's 
>> a little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but 
>> fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 
>> 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they obviously appear 
>> when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So people who 
>> do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have 
>> to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille 
>> device.
>>
>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I 
>> think there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my 
>> part I'd find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I 
>> do on other devices.
>>
>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[RobH!]

I know I've said it before, but before the advent of Perkins, and upward 
braille writers in general;  all braille writing was done in this cell 
format. In the older instance, it was even in mirror image, opposite to how 
it was read.  you wrote from the back, so this app isn't that far fetched, 
though you do need a long memory to have recognised it.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Cheryl Homiak" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected


Yes, I originally thought the dots would be arranged along the long side of 
the phone horizontally. But actually, the fact that this was not the case 
actually was discussed after the podcast came out. But there has been a lot 
of traffic on this subject so it's not surprising that some people missed 
this. When I type with the iPhone and BrailleTouch, I think of a braille 
cell more than of a Perkins brailler. i think that using typeinbraille kind 
of prepared me for this.

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On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, 
> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the 
> app before purchase is excellent.
>
> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think 
> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you 
> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or 
> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. 
> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a 
> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally 
> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are 
> under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, 
> but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on 
> refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as 
> the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
>
> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think 
> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd 
> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other 
> devices.
>
> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>
> Jonathan
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

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The only issue that I am having with Braille Touch, and frankly, I'm not 
sure if this is even a Braille Touch issue, is that I can't paste text from 
Braille Touch into a facebook status.  Facebook has recently updated the 
app, so I'm thinking this is a facebook issue.  Other than that, for me, 
Braille Touch is wonderful.  Yes, it takes time, practice, and coordination 
to get the holding position of the phone down, but that is no big deal.

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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Joe Paton]

Hello James,

I like the old stainsby layout as well.  Whichever layout I choose to 
use, I still have to think about what I am typing still make 
mistakes, but an 100 % more effective on the device with this programme.


Thanks

Joe



At 21:15 01/02/2013, you wrote:

Good evening folks,

Just a note on the braille touch, which is very much easier to use 
when altering the keys in "advanced settings" so that the keyboard 
becomes like a Stainsby.


A Stainsby predates the Perkins and was noisy and relatively 
primitivbe, however my brief experience with it makes the braille 
touch very much easier.


I use the braille touch with the phone lying flat with the home 
button to the right.


Dot 1 is now made with my left ring finger and dot 6 with my right 
index finger.   I can get a reasonable speed with this method 
although 100% accuracy has never been my forte, irrespective of 
qwerty or braille keyboards.


I look forward to the grade 2 update.

James.

 a
On 1 Feb 2013, at 21:02, Mary Otten wrote:

> I would definitely not be willing to trade this possible future 
option for horizontal key arrangement for the inability to type 
when I don't have a flat surface. I think this horizontal 
arrangement could be really useful if and when the app is made 
available for iPads, but on the phone, unless I had access to a 
proper desk, not my lap or other precarious position, I think the 
current arrangement is quite usable. Sure, it is different, but so 
is a touch screen different from what we were all use to not that 
long ago. If this option can be just that, an option, great. But 
particularly on the phone, I would really not like it.

>
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Penny,

Thanks for your questions. I can't yet promise a date for Grade 2 
contracted braille. But we are working on it, and we are very excited 
about offering this in a future update!


We will look into an option for a horizontal keyboard layout, but I 
can't promise this. I certainly understand that this would be more 
intuitive. But as others have pointed out, it would require you to lay 
your iPhone on a desk or other surface.


Some people have discovered that BrailleTouch works for them when laying 
flat on a desk. They position their hands in a V-shape. Your index 
fingers are in the middle of the screen closest to you. Your ring 
fingers are in the far left and far right corners of the screen. This is 
undocumented and not in our User Guide. But it does work for some 
people, and is more like typing on a Perkins, though not exactly so. 
Make sure the flip dots setting is turned off if you try this.


There are other potential issues with adding a straight line horizontal 
keyboard option to BrailleTouch The touch surface on the iPhone does not 
cover the entire flat glass face of the device. Rather, it is a smaller 
rectangle in the middle of the glass. This means there is the potential 
that your fingers on the left for dot 3 and on the right for dot 6 would 
slip off the touch sensitive area of the glass. For example, you could 
type the letter T (dots 2-3-4-5) and your dot 3 finger could be on the 
glass but out of the touch sensitive area. BrailleTouch would then see 
dots 2-4-5 and say the letter J. This would be very frustrating and 
error prone.


You can try this for yourself. Place your iPhone flat on a table and 
pretend to type on a horizontal braille keyboard on the touchscreen. 
Then tap dots 3 and dots 6 and see if the touchscreen recognizes these 
fingers. I suspect for some of you that it will not, as these fingers 
will be on the glass but not on the touch sensitive zone.


I'm not saying that a horizontal keyboard layout is impossible. But it 
will be challenging to find a solution that will work for most people, 
be accurate, and not be frustrating.


On a related note, you can read why BrailleTouch is not available for 
the iPad here .


I hope this helps!
Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 2/1/2013 1:48 PM, Penny Reeder wrote:

I agree as well. The vertical lay-out and the requirement to face the phone 
outward are spatially confusing, and the unavailability of Grade 2 braille can 
cause one who is used to writing in Grade 2 to make lots of mistakes. Since 
developers are also on this list, I wonder if they can comment on whether a 
horizontal orientation is possible and, if so, what kind of priority can be 
given to making such a change as well as when we might expect Grade 2 to be 
added.  Thanks. Penny

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 1, 2013, at 1:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:


Hello Jonathan.

I'd like to agree with you about the repositioning of how you might put your 
fingers.  Only because, earlier, myfingers began to ache and I am worried that 
one might get RSI.  I don't want to be sceptical, but, we need our hands as for 
us all, our hands are important to us due to our inability to see.

Kawal.
On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:


Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but 
thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app 
before purchase is excellent.

I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this 
is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would 
input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable 
Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such products, 
the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little diagonal placement 
for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are horizontal. With Braille 
Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each other. This is how they 
obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when you're inputting. So 
people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille displays are going to have 
to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.

I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think 
there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find 
it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices.

Congrats to the developers on the app.

Jonathan

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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Peter Holdstock]

I guess it's down to personal preference and likely based on what method 
you've learned Braille with. I find the method you suggest much harder.


Peter

-Original Message- 
From: James Muirhead

Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

Good evening folks,

Just a note on the braille touch, which is very much easier to use when 
altering the keys in "advanced settings" so that the keyboard becomes like a 
Stainsby.


A Stainsby predates the Perkins and was noisy and relatively primitivbe, 
however my brief experience with it makes the braille touch very much 
easier.


I use the braille touch with the phone lying flat with the home button to 
the right.


Dot 1 is now made with my left ring finger and dot 6 with my right index 
finger.   I can get a reasonable speed with this method although 100% 
accuracy has never been my forte, irrespective of qwerty or braille 
keyboards.


I look forward to the grade 2 update.

James.

a
On 1 Feb 2013, at 21:02, Mary Otten wrote:

I would definitely not be willing to trade this possible future option for 
horizontal key arrangement for the inability to type when I don't have a 
flat surface. I think this horizontal arrangement could be really useful 
if and when the app is made available for iPads, but on the phone, unless 
I had access to a proper desk, not my lap or other precarious position, I 
think the current arrangement is quite usable. Sure, it is different, but 
so is a touch screen different from what we were all use to not that long 
ago. If this option can be just that, an option, great. But particularly 
on the phone, I would really not like it.


Mary Otten
motte...@gmail.com


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Re: Braille touch.

[Regina Alvarado]

Glad to know I am not the only one with the sluggishness problem. Work around. 
Turn off voice over  with triple tap home and turn it back on. It works. Have 
the same problem with Fleksy. Hmmm! Wonder if it is VO? Ugh At leastthere 
is a  work around!

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 1, 2013, at 1:49 PM, BrailleTouch  wrote:

> Hi Luca,
> 
> I'm sorry the speech feedback is sluggish for you in BrailleTouch. We've had 
> several reports of this, and are looking into the cause of this problem. 
> Other people have said the speech is quick for them with no latency. We'll 
> get to the bottom of this and find a solution.
> 
> Best,
> Caleb
> http://brailletouchapp.com/
> 
> On 2/1/2013 5:07 AM, Luca wrote:
>>> I love braille touch, i can write quite fast just after a little practice..
>>> 
>>> However i am finding some responsiveness problems: when i set it to echo 
>>> only characters, there is a little delay, but quite tollerable, it is more 
>>> evident when i want to type a double letter "ll" or "tt", for example, the 
>>> app cant get the ttwo letter if i type them too fast.
>>> In particular i find that the letters "t" and "e, more often than others 
>>> are misinterpreted, but maybe it is my problem of incorrect finger position.
>>> 
>>> But i  have  a very noticeable responsiveness problem  when setting it to 
>>> echo only words, when i  type a  space there is a minimum of 1 second 
>>> delay, this  slow down quite a bit..
>>> Using iphone 5 with ios 6.1, no apps  in the app switcher.
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[James Muirhead]

Good evening folks,

Just a note on the braille touch, which is very much easier to use when 
altering the keys in "advanced settings" so that the keyboard becomes like a 
Stainsby.

A Stainsby predates the Perkins and was noisy and relatively primitivbe, 
however my brief experience with it makes the braille touch very much easier.

I use the braille touch with the phone lying flat with the home button to the 
right.

Dot 1 is now made with my left ring finger and dot 6 with my right index 
finger.   I can get a reasonable speed with this method although 100% accuracy 
has never been my forte, irrespective of qwerty or braille keyboards.

I look forward to the grade 2 update.

James.

 a 
On 1 Feb 2013, at 21:02, Mary Otten wrote:

> I would definitely not be willing to trade this possible future option for 
> horizontal key arrangement for the inability to type when I don't have a flat 
> surface. I think this horizontal arrangement could be really useful if and 
> when the app is made available for iPads, but on the phone, unless I had 
> access to a proper desk, not my lap or other precarious position, I think the 
> current arrangement is quite usable. Sure, it is different, but so is a touch 
> screen different from what we were all use to not that long ago. If this 
> option can be just that, an option, great. But particularly on the phone, I 
> would really not like it.
> 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Mary Otten]

I would definitely not be willing to trade this possible future option for 
horizontal key arrangement for the inability to type when I don't have a flat 
surface. I think this horizontal arrangement could be really useful if and when 
the app is made available for iPads, but on the phone, unless I had access to a 
proper desk, not my lap or other precarious position, I think the current 
arrangement is quite usable. Sure, it is different, but so is a touch screen 
different from what we were all use to not that long ago. If this option can be 
just that, an option, great. But particularly on the phone, I would really not 
like it.

Mary Otten
motte...@gmail.com


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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Regina Alvarado]

I cannot wait for grade two. That will make it much faster, but I don't have 
much problem now laying my fingers correctly now besides the occasional 
inadvertent finger taps just because I have my fingers very close to the screen 
and my fingers on either hand can get a bit anxious to tap instead of waiting 
for the rest! (smiles)

Reggie and Brooks

On Feb 1, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:

> The podcast is at AppleVis.
> 
> Jenn
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 1, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Where is this podcast, I have missed this due to the traffic.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:29 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, I originally thought the dots would be arranged along the long side of 
>>> the phone horizontally. But actually, the fact that this was not the case 
>>> actually was discussed after the podcast came out. But there has been a lot 
>>> of traffic on this subject so it's not surprising that some people missed 
>>> this. When I type with the iPhone and BrailleTouch, I think of a braille 
>>> cell more than of a Perkins brailler. i think that using typeinbraille kind 
>>> of prepared me for this.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Cheryl
>>> 
>>> May the words of my mouth
>>> and the meditation of my heart
>>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, 
 but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the 
 app before purchase is excellent.
 
 I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think 
 this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you 
 would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or 
 refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. 
 On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a 
 little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally 
 they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are 
 under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, 
 but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on 
 refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as 
 the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
 
 I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think 
 there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd 
 find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other 
 devices.
 
 Congrats to the developers on the app.
 
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Scott Davert]

I agree that this should be an option in a future update. I think it
would apply to a larger market this way, since people are different at
everything, this includes braille. I think I would find this easier
myself, though I'm quite adjusted to the way they have it set up. It
took me about a week before I was able to get up to the 35 wpm I can
do with it now. I've been using the app since late December, and it
seems that 35 WPM or so is about as high as I'll ever get with it.
Certainly much faster than I was with Flesky or the virtual keyboard.

Scott

On 2/1/13, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> I wouldn't mind trying a horizontal layout and that is the way I pictured it
> until I heard the podcast. However, I don't find facing the phone outward to
> be spatially confusing; I think that's a matter of how each person looks at
> it. And I also don't find that I have to do hand-twisting to use
> BrailleTouch this way. I'm also not making lots of mistakes now that i'm
> getting used to it. My purpose isn't to deny or belittle others' opinions at
> all; I'm just saying that these statements, as well as my own here, are
> matters of personal preference and opinion rather than inevitable fact. It
> is not inevitable that everyone finds the position spatially confusing or
> feels they are doing hand-twisting but some people feel that way. It is also
> not inevitable that everyone find typing this way helpful and comfortable,
> as I for the most part do, though hopefully I am not the only one who does
> feel this way. Perhaps having both positions available would be the best of
> all worlds but I'm not in a position to know how feasible that really is.
> But it would be a dull world if we all thought about everything the same way
> even though it might make it easier for developers :-)
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Cheryl Homiak]

I wouldn't mind trying a horizontal layout and that is the way I pictured it 
until I heard the podcast. However, I don't find facing the phone outward to be 
spatially confusing; I think that's a matter of how each person looks at it. 
And I also don't find that I have to do hand-twisting to use BrailleTouch this 
way. I'm also not making lots of mistakes now that i'm getting used to it. My 
purpose isn't to deny or belittle others' opinions at all; I'm just saying that 
these statements, as well as my own here, are matters of personal preference 
and opinion rather than inevitable fact. It is not inevitable that everyone 
finds the position spatially confusing or feels they are doing hand-twisting 
but some people feel that way. It is also not inevitable that everyone find 
typing this way helpful and comfortable, as I for the most part do, though 
hopefully I am not the only one who does feel this way. Perhaps having both 
positions available would be the best of all worlds but I'm not in a position 
to know how feasible that really is. But it would be a dull world if we all 
thought about everything the same way even though it might make it easier for 
developers :-)

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Re: Braille touch.

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Luca,

I'm sorry the speech feedback is sluggish for you in BrailleTouch. We've 
had several reports of this, and are looking into the cause of this 
problem. Other people have said the speech is quick for them with no 
latency. We'll get to the bottom of this and find a solution.


Best,
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/

On 2/1/2013 5:07 AM, Luca wrote:


I love braille touch, i can write quite fast just after a little
practice..

However i am finding some responsiveness problems: when i set it
to echo only characters, there is a little delay, but quite
tollerable, it is more evident when i want to type a double letter
"ll" or "tt", for example, the app cant get the ttwo letter if i
type them too fast.
In particular i find that the letters "t" and "e, more often than
others are misinterpreted, but maybe it is my problem of incorrect
finger position.

But i  have  a very noticeable responsiveness problem  when
setting it to echo only words, when i  type a  space there is a
minimum of 1 second delay, this  slow down quite a bit..
Using iphone 5 with ios 6.1, no apps  in the app switcher.

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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Penny Reeder]

I agree as well. The vertical lay-out and the requirement to face the phone 
outward are spatially confusing, and the unavailability of Grade 2 braille can 
cause one who is used to writing in Grade 2 to make lots of mistakes. Since 
developers are also on this list, I wonder if they can comment on whether a 
horizontal orientation is possible and, if so, what kind of priority can be 
given to making such a change as well as when we might expect Grade 2 to be 
added.  Thanks. Penny 

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> Hello Jonathan.
> 
> I'd like to agree with you about the repositioning of how you might put your 
> fingers.  Only because, earlier, myfingers began to ache and I am worried 
> that one might get RSI.  I don't want to be sceptical, but, we need our hands 
> as for us all, our hands are important to us due to our inability to see.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but 
>> thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app 
>> before purchase is excellent.
>> 
>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think 
>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you 
>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or 
>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On 
>> such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little 
>> diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are 
>> horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each 
>> other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when 
>> you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille 
>> displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as 
>> they would on a Braille device.
>> 
>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think 
>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd 
>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other 
>> devices.
>> 
>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>> 
>> Jonathan
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Oh that podcast, it didn't work for me and at the time I was at work using my I 
phone.

Kawal.

On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:40 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:

> The podcast is at AppleVis.
> 
> Jenn
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 1, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> Where is this podcast, I have missed this due to the traffic.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:29 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, I originally thought the dots would be arranged along the long side of 
>>> the phone horizontally. But actually, the fact that this was not the case 
>>> actually was discussed after the podcast came out. But there has been a lot 
>>> of traffic on this subject so it's not surprising that some people missed 
>>> this. When I type with the iPhone and BrailleTouch, I think of a braille 
>>> cell more than of a Perkins brailler. i think that using typeinbraille kind 
>>> of prepared me for this.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Cheryl
>>> 
>>> May the words of my mouth
>>> and the meditation of my heart
>>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, 
 but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the 
 app before purchase is excellent.
 
 I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think 
 this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you 
 would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or 
 refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. 
 On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a 
 little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally 
 they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are 
 under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, 
 but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on 
 refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as 
 the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
 
 I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think 
 there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd 
 find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other 
 devices.
 
 Congrats to the developers on the app.
 
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The podcast is at AppleVis.

Jenn

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 1, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Where is this podcast, I have missed this due to the traffic.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:29 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I originally thought the dots would be arranged along the long side of 
>> the phone horizontally. But actually, the fact that this was not the case 
>> actually was discussed after the podcast came out. But there has been a lot 
>> of traffic on this subject so it's not surprising that some people missed 
>> this. When I type with the iPhone and BrailleTouch, I think of a braille 
>> cell more than of a Perkins brailler. i think that using typeinbraille kind 
>> of prepared me for this.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> May the words of my mouth
>> and the meditation of my heart
>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, 
>>> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the 
>>> app before purchase is excellent.
>>> 
>>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think 
>>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you 
>>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or 
>>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. 
>>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a 
>>> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally 
>>> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under 
>>> each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but 
>>> not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable 
>>> Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell 
>>> looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
>>> 
>>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think 
>>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd 
>>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other 
>>> devices.
>>> 
>>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Aman Singer]

Hello, Jonathan and all.
I would respectfully agree with Jonathan. I would love a setting to
allow entry using the screen divided into six rectangles horizontally
across the screen, as it is on the Perkins and, for example, also on
the refreshabraille. Remember that the virtual keys are long, so there
doesn't need to be any hand twisting for the fingers to land on the
right spots as there would be with button keys. I would be more than
happy to trade the ability to type without a flat surface for the
ability to type on such a six horizontal dot keyboard. I would be even
more pleased if this were a setting which could be changed.
Aman

On 2/1/13, Kimber Gardner  wrote:
> I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
> phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
> the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
> phone on a flat surface to input.
>
> Kim
>
> On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:
>> I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release,
>>> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try
>>> the
>>> app before purchase is excellent.
>>>
>>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think
>>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that
>>> you
>>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
>>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you
>>> don't.
>>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
>>> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
>>> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
>>> under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the
>>> cell,
>>> but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
>>> refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as
>>> the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
>>>
>>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I
>>> think
>>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd
>>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
>>> devices.
>>>
>>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Where is this podcast, I have missed this due to the traffic.

Kawal.

On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:29 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> Yes, I originally thought the dots would be arranged along the long side of 
> the phone horizontally. But actually, the fact that this was not the case 
> actually was discussed after the podcast came out. But there has been a lot 
> of traffic on this subject so it's not surprising that some people missed 
> this. When I type with the iPhone and BrailleTouch, I think of a braille cell 
> more than of a Perkins brailler. i think that using typeinbraille kind of 
> prepared me for this.
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> On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but 
>> thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app 
>> before purchase is excellent.
>> 
>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think 
>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you 
>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or 
>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On 
>> such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little 
>> diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are 
>> horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each 
>> other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when 
>> you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille 
>> displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as 
>> they would on a Braille device.
>> 
>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think 
>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd 
>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other 
>> devices.
>> 
>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>> 
>> Jonathan
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello Jonathan.

I'd like to agree with you about the repositioning of how you might put your 
fingers.  Only because, earlier, myfingers began to ache and I am worried that 
one might get RSI.  I don't want to be sceptical, but, we need our hands as for 
us all, our hands are important to us due to our inability to see.

Kawal.
On 1 Feb 2013, at 06:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but 
> thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app 
> before purchase is excellent.
> 
> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this 
> is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would 
> input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable 
> Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such 
> products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little 
> diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are 
> horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each 
> other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when 
> you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille 
> displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as 
> they would on a Braille device.
> 
> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think 
> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find 
> it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices.
> 
> Congrats to the developers on the app.
> 
> Jonathan
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Kimber Gardner]

I have to agree. Since my biggest problem with this app is holding the
phone and typing accurately I would love to see an option to reallign
the keys in the perkins style even if that means having to place the
phone on a flat surface to input.

Kim

On 2/1/13, Jose Lomeli  wrote:
> I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release,
>> but thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the
>> app before purchase is excellent.
>>
>> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think
>> this is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you
>> would input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or
>> refreshable Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't.
>> On such products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a
>> little diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally
>> they are horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are
>> under each other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell,
>> but not when you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on
>> refreshable Braille displays are going to have to remember to Braille as
>> the cell looks, not as they would on a Braille device.
>>
>> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think
>> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd
>> find it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other
>> devices.
>>
>> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>>
>> Jonathan
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Cheryl Homiak]

Yes, I originally thought the dots would be arranged along the long side of the 
phone horizontally. But actually, the fact that this was not the case actually 
was discussed after the podcast came out. But there has been a lot of traffic 
on this subject so it's not surprising that some people missed this. When I 
type with the iPhone and BrailleTouch, I think of a braille cell more than of a 
Perkins brailler. i think that using typeinbraille kind of prepared me for this.

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On Feb 1, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but 
> thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app 
> before purchase is excellent.
> 
> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this 
> is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would 
> input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable 
> Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such 
> products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little 
> diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are 
> horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each 
> other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when 
> you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille 
> displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as 
> they would on a Braille device.
> 
> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think 
> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find 
> it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices.
> 
> Congrats to the developers on the app.
> 
> Jonathan
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Re: Braille Touch Doesn't Work as I expected

[Jose Lomeli]

I know what you mean. It's not how I thought it would be!

Sent from my iPod

On Feb 1, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

> Hi everyone, I didn't hear the podcasts on Braille Touch before release, but 
> thought I'd download it and have a play. The fact that you can try the app 
> before purchase is excellent.
>
> I am a lifelong Braille user and input in Braille every day. And I think this 
> is my problem. When I heard about Braille Touch, I imagined that you would 
> input Braille in the same way that you would on a Perkins or refreshable 
> Braille display that offers a keyboard. But really you don't. On such 
> products, the keys are aligned horizontally. Perhaps there's a little 
> diagonal placement for the sake of ergonomics, but fundamentally they are 
> horizontal. With Braille Touch, however, dost 1, 2 and 3 are under each 
> other. This is how they obviously appear when reading the cell, but not when 
> you're inputting. So people who do a lot of input on refreshable Braille 
> displays are going to have to remember to Braille as the cell looks, not as 
> they would on a Braille device.
>
> I wonder if making the dots horizontal could be a future setting. I think 
> there's enough screen space for this to work, and I know for my part I'd find 
> it more intuitive because of the amount of Brailling I do on other devices.
>
> Congrats to the developers on the app.
>
> Jonathan
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Re: Braille Touch: I got it!

[Cheryl Homiak]

Yes, I'm having good success with BrailleTouch also! It really is in the finger 
positioning, at least for me. I'm learning that if the dots in one hand or the 
other are off I need to move that hand position up or down accordingly.

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On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:37 AM, Sandy Finley  wrote:

> Now that I have my hands positioned right I am already typing faster than I 
> ever have on an iPhone. Thanks BT developers!
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Re: Braille Touch: I got it!

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Excellent! Thank you, Sandy.

Caleb
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On 2/1/2013 6:37 AM, Sandy Finley wrote:

Now that I have my hands positioned right I am already typing faster than I 
ever have on an iPhone. Thanks BT developers!


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Re: Braille touch.

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>
> I love braille touch, i can write quite fast just after a little practice..
>
> However i am finding some responsiveness problems: when i set it to echo 
> only characters, there is a little delay, but quite tollerable, it is more 
> evident when i want to type a double letter "ll" or "tt", for example, the 
> app cant get the ttwo letter if i type them too fast.
> In particular i find that the letters "t" and "e, more often than others 
> are misinterpreted, but maybe it is my problem of incorrect finger position.
>
> But i  have  a very noticeable responsiveness problem  when setting it to 
> echo only words, when i  type a  space there is a minimum of 1 second 
> delay, this  slow down quite a bit..
> Using iphone 5 with ios 6.1, no apps  in the app switcher.
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Re: Braille touch.

[BrailleTouch]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your question. Grade 2 contracted braille is our top priority 
for a future update. I can't promise you a date, but we are working on it.


Thanks!
Caleb
http://brailletouchapp.com/


On 1/31/2013 11:55 PM, Tom Lange wrote:

Hi,
It seems I'm always in catch-up mode when it comes to e-mail, so I may 
have missed this.  Will BrailleTouch support contracted Braille in the 
near future?


Thanks,
Tom

- Original Message - From: "Liz and Sammie" 


To: "viphone@googlegroups. com" 
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:36 AM
Subject: Braille touch.


I was not going to buy the full version of this app right away, but I 
could not help myself.  This is an awesome app.  I am writing this 
letter using Braille Touch.



Typed with BrailleTouch


Liz Ulrich and Leader Dog Sammie


Westwood Church of God Prayer Chain Coordinator

http://www.facebook.com/elizabeth.ulrich.1
Sent from my very intelligent ParrotHead of an IPhone

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Re: Braille touch.

[Tom Lange]

Hi,
It seems I'm always in catch-up mode when it comes to e-mail, so I may have 
missed this.  Will BrailleTouch support contracted Braille in the near 
future?


Thanks,
Tom

- Original Message - 
From: "Liz and Sammie" 

To: "viphone@googlegroups. com" 
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:36 AM
Subject: Braille touch.


I was not going to buy the full version of this app right away, but I could 
not help myself.  This is an awesome app.  I am writing this letter using 
Braille Touch.



Typed with BrailleTouch


Liz Ulrich and Leader Dog Sammie


Westwood Church of God Prayer Chain Coordinator

http://www.facebook.com/elizabeth.ulrich.1
Sent from my very intelligent ParrotHead of an IPhone

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