[Vo]:RE AI

[Ron Wormus]

An interesting take on AI for $1 at Amazon:

"Smart Until It's Dumb: Why artificial intelligence keeps making
epic mistakes (and why, the AI bubble is about to burst)"

Author: Emmanuel Maggiori, PhD, is a 10-year AI industry insider, 
specialized in machine learning and scientific computing. He helps 
companies build complex software. He has developed AI for a wide

variety of applications, from extracting objects from satellite images
to packaging holiday deals for millions of travelers every day.

It's a quick read and a nice lucid analysis of the AI industry.
Ron

Re: [Vo]: Electrostatic Tornadoes and Hurricanes?

[Ron Wormus]

Robin,
Winds are calm in the eye of a hurricane. Highest speeds are on the outside.
Ron

- Original Message -
From: Robin 
Reply-To: 
To: 
Sent: 9/9/2021 3:12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Electrostatic Tornadoes and Hurricanes?



In reply to  Michael Foster's message of Thu, 9 Sep 2021 18:23:00 + (UTC):
Hi,
[snip]

I suspect he had it backwards. The high wind speeds in the eye wall create 
friction between particles which gives rise
to charge separation. Falling raindrops carry charge to the ground creating the 
potential difference that gives rise to
lightning.
Thunder produces shock waves in the air that drive smaller droplets together 
creating larger droplets that fall more
readily.

>Decades ago, Alfred Baez (physicist and father of Joan) proposed that 
>hurricanes and/or tornadoes might be electrostatically driven. The idea being 
>that the charge imbalance between the periphery and the center might drive the 
>vortex. Yes folks, I'm posting something about vortices here on Vortex. When 
>you observe all the lightning at the center of hurricanes and tornadoes, it 
>sort of makes sense.
>
>Recently, the UAE has been using electrostatic drones as a method of seeding 
>clouds, significantly increasing the rainfall in that desert area. So if AB 
>was correct, might it be possible to weaken or completely eliminate these 
>storms by flying a fleet of these electrostatic drones around the edge of the 
>hurricane/tornado and slowly work toward the center?
>
>I mean, if you're going to throw a lot of gubmint money at something, this has 
>the potential to save a lot of lives, property, and tax dollars.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

Re: [Vo]:Constants that Aren't

[Ron Wormus]

Terry,
This has been known for some time but the variation is slight 1 part in 7 
million if I recall correctly.

An interesting book on this & similar constants is:   The Constants of Nature 
by John Barrow
Ron





- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton 
Reply-To: 
To: 
Sent: 5/2/2020 2:55:22 PM
Subject: [Vo]:Constants that Aren't



The electromagnetic force keeps electrons whizzing around a nucleus in every 
atom of the universe—without it, all matter would fly apart. Up until recently, 
it was believed to be an unchanging force throughout time and space. But over 
the last two decades, Professor Webb has noticed anomalies in the fine 
structure constant whereby electromagnetic force measured in one particular 
direction of the universe seems ever so slightly different.



https://phys.org/news/2020-04-laws-nature-downright-weird-constant.html  

[Vo]:More on UVC & Covid

[Ron Wormus]

Source: https://news.columbia.edu/ultraviolet-technology-virus-covid-19-UV-
light#/

*Could a New Ultraviolet Technology Fight the Spread of Coronavirus?*

Columbia researcher David Brenner believes far-UVC light—safe for humans, but 
lethal for viruses— could be a ‘game changer.’

By Carla Cantor
April 21, 2020
Image: 
https://news.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/styles/cu_crop/public/content/airport-
ultraviolet-lamp-covid-large.jpg?itok=aJpNEIFJ 

 The researchers say far-UVC lighting could be deployed in hospitals, schools, 
airplanes, airports and other transportation hubs —anywhere where people 
congregate. 
Photo: Columbia Center for Radiological Research

A technique that zaps airborne viruses with a narrow-wavelength band of UV 
light shows promise for curtailing the person-to-person spread of COVID-19 in 
indoor public places.

The technology, developed by Columbia 
University's Center for Radiological Research (https://www.crr.columbia.edu/), 
uses lamps that emit continuous, low doses of a particular wavelength of 
ultraviolent light, known as far-UVC, which can kill viruses and bacteria 
without harming human skin, eyes and other tissues, as is the problem with 
conventional UV light.

“Far-UVC light has the potential to be a ‘game changer,’” said David Brenner, 
professor of radiation biophysics and director of the center. “It can be safely 
used in occupied public spaces, and it kills pathogens in the air before we can 
breathe them in.”

The research team’s experiments have shown far-UVC effective in eradicating two 
types of airborne seasonal coronaviruses (the ones that cause coughs and 
colds). The researchers are now testing the light against the SARS-CoV-2 virus 
at Columbia in a biosafety laboratory, with encouraging results, Brenner said. 

The team previously found the method effective in inactivating the airborne 
H1N1 influenza virus, as well as drug-resistant bacteria. And multiple, 
long-term studies on animals and humans have confirmed that exposure to far-UVC 
does not cause damage to the skin or eyes.

"Our system is a low-cost, safe solution to eradicating airborne viruses 
minutes after they've 
been breathed, coughed or sneezed into the air."



If widely used in occupied public places, far-UVC technology has the potential 
to provide a powerful check on future epidemics and pandemics, Brenner said. He 
added that even when researchers develop a vaccine against the virus that 
causes COVID, it will not protect against the next novel virus.

“Our system is a low-cost, safe solution to eradicating airborne viruses 
minutes after they've been breathed, coughed or sneezed into the air,” Brenner 
said. “Not only does it have the potential to prevent the global spread of the 
virus that causes COVID-19, but also future novel viruses, as well as more 
familiar viruses like influenza and measles.”

Brenner envisions the use of safe overhead far-UVC lamps in a wide range of 
indoor public spaces. The technology, which can be easily retrofitted into 
existing light fixtures, he said, could be deployed in hospitals and doctors’ 
offices as well as schools, shelters, airports, airplanes and other 
transportation hubs.

Scientists have known for decades that broad-spectrum, germicidal UV light has 
the capacity to kill microbes. Hospitals and laboratories often use UV light to 
sterilize tools and other equipment. But conventional ultraviolet light is 
highly penetrating and can cause skin cancer and eye problems.

In contrast, far-UVC, which has a very short wavelength, cannot reach or damage 
living human cells. But the narrow band wavelength can still penetrate and kill 
very small viruses and bacteria floating in the air or on surfaces. 

Far-UVC lamps are now in production by several companies, although ramping up 
to large-scale production, as well as approval by the Food and Drug 
Administration and Environmental Protection Agency, will take several months. 
At between $500 and $1000 per lamp, the lamps are relatively inexpensive, and 
once they are mass produced the prices would likely fall, Brenner said.

“Far-UVC takes a fundamentally different tactic in the war against COVID-19,” 
Brenner said. “Most approaches focus on fighting the virus once it has gotten 
into the body. Far-UVC is one of the very few approaches that has the potential 
to prevent the spread of viruses before they enter the body.”

Re: [Vo]:Hydroxychloroquine Approved by FDA

[Ron Wormus]

Well observing what is happening in Italy I 
don't think your fatality argument is relevant. Covid-19 is extremely virulent 
& contagious and its rapid spread overwhelms medical facilities. The biggest 
problem here is the lack of testing, to get a clear picture of the pandemic, so 
we really have no idea of the number of infected..  

It seems that a lot of infected individuals are a asymptomatic see:
https://www.ft.com/content/0dba7ea8-6713-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3 


Testing everyone is a solution as there are ~50% asymptomatic, it is those 
cases that need to be identified and quarantined!
Ron



Turns out there are about - Original Message -
From: 
Reply-To: 
To: 
Sent: 3/20/2020 12:09:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hydroxychloroquine Approved by FDA




Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are sort of a chlorinated version of 
quinine. These are used to treat malaria, arthritis and asthma. They have been 
shown to act as an ionophore to assist zinc ions to penetrate the cell 
membranes and thus destroy corona type viruses. This has been known to the CDC 
for 14 years. The lying bastards have kept this close to the vest. The FDA is 
typically foot dragging about approving chloroqine for corona virus treatment, 
despite the fact that it is being used successfully in several other countries. 

One other thing. The fatality rate of cov19 is actually lower than influenza. 
If you compare known cases of flu deaths, 10%, to known cases of corona deaths, 
2%, you get a different picture. Instead we get a comparison of CDC estimated 
flu cases to known cases of corona virus.
Sneaky, aren't 
they? Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds. 









On Thursday, March 19, 2020, 10:16:33 AM PDT, Jones Beene  
wrote: 








What is hydroxychloroquine? Donald Trump says malaria drug for coronavirus has 
been approved by FDA

Re: [Vo]:NIH-Antivirus compound via L-Lysine and Proline

[Ron Wormus]

This looks promising:
An Effective Treatment for Coronavirus (COVID-19)
Presented by: James M. Todaro, MD (Columbia MD, jtoda...@gmail.com) and Gregory 
J. Rigano, Esq. (griga...@jhu.edu)
In consultation with Stanford University School of Medicine, UAB School of 
Medicine and National Academy of Sciences researchers.
March 13, 2020

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-
g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-
7deJ7/pub?fbclid=IwAR3HXmAaRvsKQwtD4mT0W6NU4bTJvZnR6f3KLRcsWkXSOGn33dbdR1KyS0Q



- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene 
Reply-To: 
To: 
Sent: 3/17/2020 6:23:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NIH-Antivirus compound via L-Lysine and Proline



CB Sites  wrote: 




Interesting.  Just a note on a side effect of licorice... It raises blood 
pressure, so many folks with high BP should avoid it, or at least look it up 
before using regularly.




-


Yes - that is true and a serious problem for many of us but there is a newer 
product that has the culprit chemical removed. It is called DGL and is 
available from Amazon.


BTW here is a story on how this search for effective natural antivirals of 
threat reducers came into focus ... which source makes it easy to scoff at, if 
you are a proponent of Big-Pharma. 



https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/must-read-china-s-secret-to-controlling-
the-covid-19-outbreak-is-traditional-chinese-medicine-concoctions-used-alone-or-
in-conjunction-with-antiviral-


I think traditional medicine has value and can move us closer to a real cure -  
and in the context of most everything else being fake or close to no effect it 
is positive. No one says it is a cure. 



A real palliative is of enormous value in the big picture. 



Tamiflu, for instance, is perhaps the biggest fake in US medicine, almost zero 
value against corona virus.

[Vo]:Corona Virus

[Ron Wormus]

Vort's,
I just talked with a good friend & his wife who returned to the US this week, 
after spending several months in Italy. They live in Albuquerque, NM and are 
now self isolating as they were denied corona virus tests unless they are 
showing symptoms.

So it seems to be a fiction that anyone who wants a test can get one.
Ron 

Re: [Vo]:Corona Virus

[Ron Wormus]

I 
don't have anything but the link. I think it is worth taking the time to listen 
to it. Michael Osterholm is a expert who has thought a lot about this situation.


- Original Message -
From: Esa Ruoho 
Reply-To: 
To: 
Sent: 3/12/2020 10:00:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Corona Virus



d'you 
have a TL;DW synopsis for us, Ron?
it is 1 hour 34 minutes of two guys talkin. surely there's a tl;dw available 
for it?




On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 17:54, Ron Wormus  wrote:

This is pretty informative:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw 




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[Vo]:Corona Virus

[Ron Wormus]

This is pretty informative:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw 

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Catalyzed Hot Fission - A promising hybrid orjust hand-waving?

[Ron Wormus]

Bob,
Could post more info. on the Fort Collins seminar as that is my home.
Thanks,
Ron





- Original Message -
From: 
Reply-To: 
To: 
Cc: Philippe Hatt 
Sent: 4/23/2018 9:09:53 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Catalyzed Hot Fission - A promising hybrid orjust 
hand-waving?



Andrew—
 
Thanks for that response to my question for Robin.  Philippe will be 
interested.  Maybe we can address this issue at the seminar in Fort Collins.
 
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 



From: Andrew Meulenberg 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 4:48:28 AM
To: VORTEX; Andrew Meulenberg
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Catalyzed Hot Fission - A promising hybrid orjust 
hand-waving? 

Bob,


The experimentally-determined charge distribution of a neutron shows an outer 
"shell" of negative charge and thus the neutron should be polarizable. Had this 
been known early on, when the neutron was considered to be a proton + electron, 
I think the battle for that view would never have been lost and the result of  
relativistic-QM equations indicating deep-electron orbits would have been 
accepted 80 years ago. 

[The recently observed 'peak' in negative charge density at the very center of 
the neutron would result from the overlap of electron 'charge' density from the 
greater than nuclear-size deep-orbit electrons. Of course such musing of 
"nuclear electrons" is not allowed in publication because it would violate holy 
writ.]


Andrew



On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 10:41 PM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:

Robin

I did not know neutrons have a negative (I assume negative electric field) and 
hence negative charge in any observable time frame.  st there experimental 
evidence for this feature of a neutron?

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10




From: mix...@bigpond.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 6:43:00 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Catalyzed Hot Fission - A promising hybrid orjust 
hand-waving? 

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Sun, 22 Apr 2018 20:30:21
+:
Hi,
[snip]
>
>Jones—
>
>You state:
>
>“Coupling is not needed. Neutrons are created in the fission of U,”
>
>I doubt this is the case.  Normal understanding is neutrons exist as an entity 
>in the a nucleus.

...he obviously means "free neutrons" as opposed to bound neutrons.

>
>Further you state:
>
>“No mystery there. The free neutrons  start out fast….”
>
>I assume you mean they have linear momentum before the reaction that carries 
>over and stays with them.
>
>I doubt it.

...he means that they acquire energy from the fission reaction. However you are
obviously trying to emphasize the fact that neutral particles should be
difficult to accelerate using electrostatics only. That could be true, were it
not for the fact that neutrons have a negative near field, and are in close
proximity to many charged nucleons. Furthermore as you previously mentioned, the
magnetic field probably also plays a role, perhaps even the dominant role.
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Eat your heart out EEStor

[Ron Wormus]

Sounds like it would be perfect for Mills low voltage high amp 
applications.


--On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:55 AM -0800 JonesBeene 
 wrote:





Years ago, many of us on Vortex followed the unfolding story of EEStor.
Another bummer.



The made amazing claims for Ultracapitors that were better than the best
lithium batteries in every respect.

Then they crashed and burned… although they are apparently still in
business.



Their BaTiO dielectric has achieved third-party certification of
dielectric constant (K) of 16,000 at 500 volts.



That should blow away Elon's lithium design but would probably be best
suited to work in tandem – the so-called Batt-Cap.



The one below has K of 25,000,000,000   but … catch-22, that
number is at 1 V.



In theory but not in practice one could wire 500 of them in series, and
beat the socks off EEStor, but… there are problems with that approach.

I will save the details for another occasion.



You may recognize the name of the author if you have followed the field
of fractional hydrogen:



Superdielectric Materials Composed of NaCl, H2O and

Porous Alumina



By Jonathan Phillips

Prof. Physics

Naval Postgraduate School

Monterey, CA 93950





CONCLUSION- The most significant finding of the present study is
empirical: a

pH neutral aqueous solution of NaCl in a porous alumina constitutes a
super dielectric

material. Moreover, the dielectric constant was a function of salt
concentration, reaching

a maximum value, at nearly one volt, of greater than 2.5 1010 (25
billion), establishing

that super dielectrics have dielectric constants orders of magnitude
greater than any

previously observed. This suggests that super dielectric materials, as
per earlier

suggestion, are a broad class of materials: porous, non-conductive
materials saturated

with ion-containing liquids.

Re: [Vo]:Should Mills and Rossi be lumped together?

[Ron Wormus]

Bib,
Wow! you guys are harsh! I think Mills should be given the benefit of the 
doubt. He has raised plenty of money & a lot of due diligence has been 
done over the years. Why should he invite competition by proving anything? 
Especially with the US Patent office problems.


At my age I don't have the inclination to try to follow the math of his 
theory but it doesn't seem any crazier than assuming that the electron has 
no dimension or the the universe originated from a singularity. In fact 
within reasonable limits it does much easier than does QM.


He has published plenty of experimental material some of which I have 
tried to verify through RF plasma experiments.


Some years ago I had some quartz gas tubes made up with Ar, H2, He, Ar+He, 
H2+Ar H2+He and H2 with Strontium compound getter. These were all in the 
2-8 Torr pressure range. I fired these with a 12V 127 MHz source with a 
linear amp and tuner using copper collars around the tubes. I monitored 
the power required to fire the tubes & maintain a plasma, light output & 
temperature.


My results were interesting and indicated to me that Mills had discovered 
a true anomaly. I could not fire the pure H2 (2 Torr the lowest pressure 
tube) tube without a direct connection to internal electrodes. Pure Ar & 
He were fired normally with copper collars taking 50 watts or so as did 
the Ar+He mix. The 50/50 mix of Ar+H2 fired easily at ~ 1/2 the power 
required for the pure Ar and the H2 with the Strontium tube (also at 2 
torr) would easily make a plasma even without the linear amp with just a 
few watts.


So my amateur home experiments were enough to convince myself that Mills 
had a discovery and that he was worth following. I doubted that he could 
come up with a system that had meaningful power density but it looks to me 
as if he may have done it and good luck to him.


I gave up on Rossi some time ago.
Ron




--On Monday, March 27, 2017 10:16 AM -0600 Bob Higgins 
 wrote:





I don't think anyone outside of Mills' team can say that he has made
even 1W of excess heat from any of his devices.  The one quick bomb
calorimetry demo done was very crude calorimetry, was not believable,
and a paper was not published on it.  If Mills wants to convince his
critics, he should publish credible calorimetry of one of his devices
over the course of a reasonable time period (at least twelve hours). 
He should describe the experiment in detail, and provide data and
analysis.  He wouldn't have to publish anything about what is inside
his black box.  He doesn't need to wait on mythical photovoltaics to
make this measurement.  He could establish credibility with one such
paper.  If he published a credible paper, we would believe his result
with some measure of confidence.  There must be a reason he hasn't
established his credibility this way.

Without having done this, he is relegating himself into the same class
of pseudo-science as Rossi: hyped un-demonstrated science.  He shows
pretty stuff, but the data is never published, and then he moves on to
something else.





On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 9:55 AM, a.ashfield 
wrote:


Brian,

He has demonstrated the SunCell to various audiences.  Mills says he
will demonstrate the SunCell producing power soon after the required
photovoltaics are developed and in pace - later this year.  Obviously
he can't do that before.

You are saying he is a fraud and will never do that, without proof.  I
have trouble understanding the vocal critics here who seem to be of a
class "NO! What was the question?"  Strikes me as very unscientific.

Slightly  related see. 
http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/uk-should-be-generating-research-in
to-world-changing-cold-fusion-system-1-4400376

AA


On 3/27/2017 5:38 AM, Brian Ahern wrote:




It has never been independently observed, but is often quoted.



If it was true, he could openly demonstrate it operating.

Re: [Vo]:automation and its economics effects

[Ron Wormus]

It's not necessarily a bad thing. Watson is likely better at diagnosis 
than most doctors & computers can read x-rays and mammogram's better than 
humans  but there needs to be a new economic model in place before most of 
the jobs are gone.


--On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:51 PM -0500 "a.ashfield" 
<a.ashfi...@verizon.net> wrote:



Ron, I'm glad to see the press is starting to take notice of the
problem.  The article is wrong about nobody" taking notice of the
situation or of the forecast that 45% would lose their jobs in twenty
years.
Lots of people did: I did and wrote about it for several years. It's
true neither the government nor the MSM paid attention to it.

What has happened is that the wealth of American workers was distributed
to the low wage countries and the elites who arranged it.  As the work
is automated the real problem will be overseas countries where they have
come to rely on the low wage work and after that is lost aren't wealthy
enough to stop people starving. Here in the West, there are various
solutions like Universal Basic Income, although I doubt our politicians
will start to discuss it seriously until after there is blood in the
streets.

AA

On 2/20/2017 5:17 PM, Ron Wormus wrote:

This is fairly interesting.  The video at the end is fascinating:


https://medium.freecodecamp.com/bill-gates-and-elon-musk-just-warned-us
-about-the-one-thing-politicians-are-too-scared-to-talk-8db9815fd398#.4
6edoyjxi

Ron

[Vo]:automation and its economics effects

[Ron Wormus]

This is fairly interesting.  The video at the end is fascinating:


https://medium.freecodecamp.com/bill-gates-and-elon-musk-just-warned-us-about-the-one-thing-politicians-are-too-scared-to-talk-8db9815fd398#.46edoyjxi
Ron

[Vo]:High Speed Photograpyt at 100 billion frames per second

[Ron Wormus]

The science is interesting, but the camera they developed to catch the 
phenomenon is incredible:


"Choi reports that the photography technique, called lossless-encoding 
compressed ultrafast photography (LLE-CUP), can capture 100 billion frames 
per second "

[Vo]:Advanced Robotic Arm

[Ron Wormus]

Re: [Vo]:Article about Artificial Intelligence in NYT

[Ron Wormus]

Robins do this also. Nothing I have found can dissuade them from crashing 
their reflection. I had one persist for over two weeks.


--On Sunday, December 18, 2016 7:56 AM +1100 mix...@bigpond.com wrote:


In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 16 Dec 2016 22:11:49 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]

My point being, that barely qualifies as conscious. Not as I defined
it: "Awareness of surroundings. Some ability to make choices . . ." It
is more like a set of complicated hard-wired reactions. The cricket
mistakes a plastic object for another cricket. Its perceptions and
awareness of the surroundings are very crude, compared to a bird or
mouse.


Some birds are not much better. I had a little blue jay in mortal combat
with his own reflection in the window during mating season. On the other
side of glass I could sit with my face not six inches away from him and
he still persisted.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:Advance science by eliminating theroetical scientists?

[Ron Wormus]

Vorts,
A good, but long, three part article on the implications of the Big Data 
revolution & what it means for the future:





"What do scientists do? They theorize. Big Data in certain cases makes 
theory either unnecessary or simply impossible. The 2013 Nobel Prize in 
Chemistry, for example, was awarded to a trio of biologists who did all 
their research on deriving algorithms to explain the chemistry of enzymes 
using computers."

RE: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Ron Wormus]

Jones,
Has there ever been any evidence that super-symmetry exists? I consider it 
in the realm of string theory; just another theorists dream.

Ron

--On Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:03 AM -0700 Jones Beene 
 wrote:





Here is your terrifying scare-of-the day. It was inspired by Nick
Bostrom's new book which does not go anywhere near this far.



In the context of LENR, it has been mentioned here that nickel-62 is a
one-of-a-kind singularity in the periodic table. It is the most stable
isotope in all of nature, with the highest binding energy per nucleon
(8.8 MeV). Is this kind of stability a marker for another unique
property?



If a very expansive version of supersymmetry is found in nature, it
could be possible that quantum dots of select pure isotopes can mimic
not only a single atom of a different element, but can even mimic other
basic particles, including perhaps the new one discovered at LHC of
mass-energy 750 GeV.



Google: superatom, if you have doubts that the first part of this
proposition is feasible. The magic numbers for superatoms start at 13…
and a quantum dot of 13 62Ni atoms would act as another particle in a
strong version of supersymmetry. The most basic quantum dot of 62Ni does
indeed have 13 atoms in an closely bound crystal. 62Ni is also bosonic.

Now, imagine the 13 atom quantum dot made of the isotope nickel 62 as a
condensate. It would have mass-energy of 751 GeV. Let's assume that
this particle has two potential identities – one being related to
nickel and the other being the unexpected new particle discovered at the
LHC, which can be described as the superset of the Higgs – 6 Higgs
bosons in a unit of ~750 GeV mass-energy.

Finally, how much of a stretch is it to propose using strong
supersymmetry - that in cryogenic conditions in a multi-T magnetic
field, the quantum dot BEC of nickel can transition into a new identity
as the super-Higgs, possibly benefitting from ignition from a laser
pulse to accomplish this transition… following which, it will decay in
the same fashion as seen at LHC.

There are major implications of that possibility, and that is the scare.

A gram of 62Ni is about .016 moles and could contains about 10^19
quantum dots of the isotope. A closer estimate, which account for
impurities and imperfections would be 10^17 quantum dots, and the energy
of each one, if transitioned into the super Higgs would be 751 GeV each
or about 7.5*10^28 eV total.

Could that happen? Hope not, since its more than all the nukes in
everyone's arsenal. Could a gram of anything spell the end of
everything… that is the big scare.

If so, this outcome explains why some scientists believe that ALL
technologically advanced civilizations eventually and inevitably
self-annihilate once they reach a certain plateau … the proof of that
uncomfortable realization being simply that there should be many such
civilizations, but we know of none.

The good news is that we do not have to worry about living in a Sim…

… that would be because all the previous civilized societies have
built large hadron colliders, found the super-Higgs, discovered
superatoms and quantum dots… dissed cold fusion, and then… with
history repeating itself over-and-over, the crazy cold-fusioneers have
connected the dots to prove a painful point …

… thereby eliminating all the pathoskeptics, for good J

RE: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

[Ron Wormus]

Jones,
Brightsen's Clustron Model of the nucleus also has antimatter in the 
nucleus.


I have pdf's of all his papers if anyone is interested.
Ron

--On Tuesday, October 06, 2015 5:58 PM -0700 Jones Beene 
 wrote:




Of interest - wrt the "9 muon model" of the proton is an old paper
by Harold Aspen where he came up with the same conclusion.

http://www.aetherscience.org/www-aspden-org/books/Asp/1988c.pdf

Aspden missed the important detail about binding energy showing up as
mass deficit, but still it is more than coincidental to Stubb's model.

One more point for John Berry about antimatter and matter coexisting in
the nucleus without annihilating. It turns out that the standard model
of physics has the quark and antiquark coexisting without annihilation,
so there is an exact precedent for this, already in place and no good
reason the muon and antimuon cannot do the same.

I haven't had the time to review exactly how Don Hotson imagined the
proton to be constructed, but epo pairs are likely to be involved – so
here too we have a similar situation of bound matter and antimatter
showing up as building blocks. Stubbs mentions something like this in
one of his papers but rejects electrons in favor of muons, yet the muon
itself could be imagined to be 103 epos plus an electron .

Instead of "turtles all the way down"… it's looking more and
more like "leptons all the way down"

For the turtle challenged:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

Re: [Vo]:A 21st Century Case for Gold: A New Information Theory of Money.

[Ron Wormus]

Lennart,
Money is used to facilitate the exchange of good  services; it needn't 
have any intrinsic value. The money supply needs to be balanced  
distributed to foster it use to balance distribution of these goods  
services within the economy. Hence the need for regulation.


All those derivatives  fancy wall street products were effectively 
unregulated money in a huge shadow economy  when they suddenly went 
away that money had to be replaced which the Fed has been doing; although 
not perfectly as the financial sector has a lot of power  influence in 
our political system.


I believe your faith in a laissez faire solution is naive.
Ron

--On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 7:25 PM -0800 Lennart Thornros 
lenn...@thornros.com wrote:





Eric and Jed,
Why do we need someone to control the amount of money in circulation?
Why do we need to split it up in pieces? I guess it is good for China
they can now fix their economy by letting others pay for it. This
nationalistic way of solving problems will go away. Just let it go
natural.
I do not think we need a financial nurse checking out for us.
Freedom is a god thing liberalism does stand for that from the beginning
but now it has become to mean socialism. Is that why everybody like to
have more nursing? Cannot distinguish between liberalism and socialism:)
Big difference.




Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com 

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648


Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a
commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.
PJM

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
wrote:




On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
wrote:





I know little about economics, but limiting the amount of money based on
the amount gold we have -- or the number of bitcoins -- seems like utter
lunacy to me. It never worked in the past. There are two reasons:




1. The money supply has to increase when there is more economic activity
and more people, or you get severe deflation. This happened in the U.S.
and other countries on the gold standard. Severe deflation is a bad
thing.


 
This is the reason I've never understood the appeal of gold or
bitcoin.  The urge to take the control of the amount of money in
circulation out of the hands of central banks seems to disregard the
danger of deflation.


Eric

Re: [Vo]:A 21st Century Case for Gold: A New Information Theory of Money.

[Ron Wormus]

Lennart,
I agree that a change in the system is desperately needed. we need a more 
equitable distribution of wealth but I don't see this happening without 
gov intervention  regulation.


I certainly agree that there is a lot of room for improvement in 
government regulation as most institutions are very CYA  risk averse (I 
work with highway dept. projects all the time), but that said, codes and 
standards are essentially good for industry  society even if 
implementation can always be improved.

Ron

--On Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:04 AM -0800 Lennart Thornros 
lenn...@thornros.com wrote:





Ron - I agree that is as it is. Money is there for manipulation. It was
originally to help the barter. Now it is a system all by itself. Its
production is zilch. It is just working for political reasons.
Maybe I am naive. you know I heard almost 30 years ago when i moved to
the US that leadership and management was control over the workforce and
to get the maximum for minmum pay. Today the theory is coming close to
what I believed already at that time. Companies like Google are my
believe but I do think they grown to big to survive as a forefront in
this regards. You say that all the fancy stuff Wall street are inventing
is 'unregulated'. No, not at all. That is products / functions created
as a pay back to the regulator as a benefit. When the system brakes down
there are two parties to take responsibilities and that is the
regulators, which was well aware but wanted Wall street to get this perk
and than the greedy Wall street itself. It is not unregulated - you and
I could not start businesses with this type of products. 
If I believed in laissez faire that would be naive. I believe in simple
system with a minimum of regulations and a minimum of 'products'. Ian
showed the ideas I think are needed. Not that I believe that this is
exactly how it could /should be done. Rather that a change is required
and that technology  can replace the many outdated laws we have.
Everything changes except for the political system. I would rather see
that we change the current format to a working modern system. The
alternative is some kind of revolution, when the system becomes so
obsolete that it implodes. I think that type of change is negative and I
think that to search for improvement in a moderate pace is better. The
real problem is that we are moving very fast to the point of no return,
by constantly 'improving' the existing system. 
Change is necessary and if it is a continuous process it is easy and
uneventful. Evaluate the situation - make a plan for what could work
better - implement that plan - evaluate  . . .  .




Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com 

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648


Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a
commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.
PJM

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 17:57 +0100, Ian Walker wrote:

Hi all

In all honesty we need to consider a post capitalism world.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2015/aug/12/paul-mason-c
apitalism-failing-time-to-panic-video?CMP=fb_us



There are only two types of economies that have been demonstrated in the
world: An economy which allows people to trade freely; and an economy
which commands all production and distribution. To date, no one has
demonstrated how the latter can replace the former. The narrator in the
video, above, equates capitalism with violence, but there is no causal
link between the two. Free trade does not lead to mass surveillance,
wars, and riot squads. He is, rather, equating a philosophy based on
violence with a philosophy based on free trade, where no such
relationship can be shown to exist.

Craig

Re: [Vo]:A 21st Century Case for Gold: A New Information Theory of Money.

[Ron Wormus]

Lennart,
I guess we will just have to disagree.

As an example just compare countries (or states) with strong code 
enforcement to those with little on none. You will find the former much 
nicer. Corners will always be cut if it's possible.

Ron

--On Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:32 PM -0800 Lennart Thornros 
lenn...@thornros.com wrote:





Ron, I understand your view. I might just be too radical. However, my
experience is that starting with a clean plate - taking in a minimum of
the regulations and try to catch the regulation with as generic
statements as possible is a good starting poin. The other way to
eliminate what is not required is just not going to eliminate anything -
it actually will add more stuff. My thinking is that any law that is not
easy enforceable is useless and laws that does not make sense or
violates general moral (did not find a better word) should not be
allowed. 
I do know very little about building roads. However, I think the
industry knows what is required. I see no reason that the government
should be involved in determine how. The competition would easily force
a set of standards to be 'typical' and then the buyer could buy what
standard he wants. I know that someone is saying that would be people
taking short cuts. That is just as it is today also. It is still very
costly and in-effective to litigate based on details. The method I
suggest (to delegate the standardization would bring new methods in
quicker as it could create competitive advantages to the implementer.
Now we are doing things as we always done and hope for a better result
and you know what that means.:) Just stick with what always was and then
no risk for the behind and no difficult new stuff to have to learn
about. This goes for most of our regulation. 




Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com 

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648


Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a
commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.
PJM

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com wrote:

Lennart,
I agree that a change in the system is desperately needed. we need a
more equitable distribution of wealth but I don't see this happening
without gov intervention  regulation.

I certainly agree that there is a lot of room for improvement in
government regulation as most institutions are very CYA  risk averse (I
work with highway dept. projects all the time), but that said, codes and
standards are essentially good for industry  society even if
implementation can always be improved.
Ron



--On Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:04 AM -0800 Lennart Thornros
lenn...@thornros.com wrote:




Ron - I agree that is as it is. Money is there for manipulation. It was
originally to help the barter. Now it is a system all by itself. Its
production is zilch. It is just working for political reasons.
Maybe I am naive. you know I heard almost 30 years ago when i moved to
the US that leadership and management was control over the workforce and
to get the maximum for minmum pay. Today the theory is coming close to
what I believed already at that time. Companies like Google are my
believe but I do think they grown to big to survive as a forefront in
this regards. You say that all the fancy stuff Wall street are inventing
is 'unregulated'. No, not at all. That is products / functions created
as a pay back to the regulator as a benefit. When the system brakes down
there are two parties to take responsibilities and that is the
regulators, which was well aware but wanted Wall street to get this perk
and than the greedy Wall street itself. It is not unregulated - you and
I could not start businesses with this type of products. 
If I believed in laissez faire that would be naive. I believe in simple
system with a minimum of regulations and a minimum of 'products'. Ian
showed the ideas I think are needed. Not that I believe that this is
exactly how it could /should be done. Rather that a change is required
and that technology  can replace the many outdated laws we have.
Everything changes except for the political system. I would rather see
that we change the current format to a working modern system. The
alternative is some kind of revolution, when the system becomes so
obsolete that it implodes. I think that type of change is negative and I
think that to search for improvement in a moderate pace is better. The
real problem is that we are moving very fast to the point of no return,
by constantly 'improving' the existing system. 
Change is necessary and if it is a continuous process it is easy and
uneventful. Evaluate the situation - make a plan for what could work
better - implement that plan - evaluate  . . .  .




Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com 

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648


Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result

Re: [Vo]:10,000 Farads Graphene Supercapacitor

[Ron Wormus]

Beware of Hype from the Canadian stock market!

--On Friday, May 29, 2015 9:16 AM +1000 Patrick Ellul 
ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote:




The corrected link
again: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sunvault-energy-and-edison-powe
r-company-create-massive-1-farad-graphene-supercapacitor-2015-05-06


On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com
wrote:


At 10,000 Farads, a Graphene Supercapacitor / Battery is powerful
enough to power up a Semi Truck while being the size of a paperback
novel at this point

Currently the cost to manufacture a lithium battery is about $500 (USD)
per/ kWh. Tesla recently announced a Super Factory to be built in
Nevada, with a promise to get the price of lithium batteries down to
$150 USD per kWh by 2020, our current cost estimated for this type of
graphene base supercapacitor is about $100 per kWh today and we feel
confident we should be able to cut this pricing in half by the end of
2015

From
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sunvault-energy-and-edison-power-compan
y-create-massive-1-farad-graphene-supercapacitor-2015-05-060





--

Patrick

www.tRacePerfect.com
The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect!
The quickest puzzle ever!

RE: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

[Ron Wormus]

Steven,
Let me jump in here  make a comment:

I disagree that a self running prototype is what he needs. Why bother? It 
would just generate more distracting controversy much as Rossi's tests 
have done. Like Rossi Mills thinks the best way is to commercialize a 
product. Waiting also has the advantage of avoiding competition which 
would surely be stimulated by a self running model.


I agree with Peter. If Mill's has hydrino hydride compounds why have they 
not been characterized by their chemical properties; density, melting 
point, etc. that would be proof positive of his discovery.


He has done a lot of good experimental work over the years but getting the 
power density up to a decent level is daunting. For his suncell he needs 
to switch kilo amps at micro second frequencies and have it be durable, 
which from an engineering standpoint, will likely be difficult. And that 
is just one of many challenges he faces like recycling the catalysts etc.

Ron

--On Monday, February 02, 2015 1:18 PM -0600 Orionworks - Steven Vincent 
Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:





Jed,



I was wondering if you might find reason to complain about Mills current
development strategy.



All I can say is that I pretty much agree. I still don't buy Mills'
contention that... A device that runs on its own requires the
sophistication equivalent to being a commercial device. When I read
that claim I, too, thought about the first transistor and Wright's first
self-powered aircraft.



I hope Mills knows what he is doing.



Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

[Ron Wormus]

Axil,
Some of the best evidence for Mill's hydrinos come form his plasma 
experiments...no condensed matter involved.

Ron

--On Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:38 AM -0500 Axil Axil 
janap...@gmail.com wrote:





The lack of proof that anti-hydrinos exist tells me that the hydrino is
not a fundamental particle but a quasi-particle produced under the
interactions of other multiple electrons. This is also true for cooper
pairs of electrons. A fundamental particle always has an anti-particle.
This hydrino quasi-particle is produced under special multiple electron
interactions and is also not a fundamental particle. Hydrinos are a
special case produced in condensed matter. They are not produced as
virtual particles because they have no associated anti-particle.


LENR exists in a special state of condensed matter and energy where
multiple interactions among electrons acting in a special way exists.
The same is true for hydrinos, they are quasi-particles, a special state
of matter like the SPPs, not fundimental.


On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:19 AM, pjvannoor...@caiway.nl wrote:





Hello Stefan
 
I couldnt agree more with what you say. It is really strange that almost
nobody
is looking into the theory of R.Mills. I presented Mills theory a few
years ago to
a Nobel price winner in the Netherlands. He got angry.
 
Somehow Quantum Physics took the wrong way. It was really at the start
of the first formula
to describe the atom with the Quantum theory where they went wrong.
They couldnt explain the stability of the atom in a classic way  and
Bohr postulated
the stability of the atom. Mills found the solution to that problem. He
proposed that the electron is a shell of current which
is flowing in such a way that there are solutions to the Maxwell
equations who correspond to the stable
quantum levels of the electron in the hydrogen atom. What is more he
found that with his model fractional quantum levels
where also possible. He found these stable fractional quantum levels in
his experiments, when he followed his theory
that predicted that the groundstate of a hydrogen atom can be
destablized by using catalyst which can take away n x 27.2 eV
from atom through collision.
 
Peter van Noorden


 

From: Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 7:20 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:QM rant
 

I would like to see a grants and target institution targeted to answer
your questions. Also it is good to remember that the standard model was
fitted to high energy
particle data, typically advanced theories degenerates at limits to a
limited set of possible solutions, the standard model QED etc could very
well be spot on at those
high limits. Also  you don't get to see hydrinos at thise limits so it
is unclear if it is wise to try what your suggest, jMills does take care
to try explain quarks, electorns
etc as well in his book to hint on the nature of these particles. I
can't judge those efforts, but for sure it is not certain that
everything that needs to be developed have been done so
using his ideas as a base. But if he does not have developed something
there are possible a permutation of ideas to try ranging from simple
modifications to what
Mills is doing to actually add further terms and additions to maxwells
equations. Again we need to put manwork and grants into this to get
anywhere.

 
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:



I would like to see Mills rewrite the dirac equations for the electron
to reflect his hydrino theory. This includes the experimental
verification of a fractionally charged positron. There should be gamma
rays produced to account for hydrino anti-hydrino annihilation. How does
the anti-hydrino interact with the electron? What neutrino is produced
when a hydrino is emitted in beta decay? There are 101 other
permutations and combinations of interactions that could be
experimentally demonstrated involving the hydrino as a fundamental
elementary particle.

 

 



 
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe
stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote:



Orionworks,
 
Yes experiments is all good, i'm more concerned why we don't get any
replication / debunks and from more independent sources. Is'n there
enough to verify the evidences? Also what if it's too difficult to
create hydrinos, and Mills theory would be better suited to explain for
example
cold fusion or high temperature super conductors. Mills theory can with
great certainty help humanity even if the hydrino effort fails. Why
can't I
hire engineers who know how to model atoms like Mills is doing, are we
servicing our society as well as we should via our institutions or are
the
folks there cooked into their theory  that is wrong. I think that there
is huge base of prediction of experiments that Mills does so already
experiments have triumphed via the well fit between what we know about
atoms and what his theory does with almost no assumptions at all.
Our current knowledge may very be faulty 

[Vo]:Warp Drive in a Garage

[Ron Wormus]

My kind of guy!

http://m.omaha.com/living/working-toward-a-warp-drive-in-his-garage-lab-omahan/article_b6489acf-5622-5419-ac18-0c44474da9c9.html?mode=jqm

Re: Replications. Formerly [Vo]:LENR a gateway into the theory of everything.

[Ron Wormus]

As an aside; polywater probably wasn't pseudoscience. See: Gerald 
Pollack's 4th Phase of water.

Ron

--On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:03 AM -0800 Kevin O'Malley 
kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:





1. Most of them are positive.

***Yeah, probably.  But that's not really quite enough for the average
rational skeptic.  I don't expect skeptopatholes to accept it, but
rational people expect high signal/noise evidence. 



2. Many others are not reported.
***That's an invalid argument from silence. 


3. There have been plenty of others after that.
***I agree, but where are they?  Where is the definitive list of
replications? 


4. Even 1 positive result proves beyond question that Cude is full of
shit.

***Jed, I can't find your article on lenr-canr.org that outlines the
difference between pseudoscience  and real science results.  In
effect, it says that pseudosciences like polywater were replicated less
than about 10 times.   1 positive result doesn't cut it. 



5. This entire discussion is ridiculous. Who cares exactly how many?

***Ordinary skeptics care.  They watch interactions between true
believers and skeptopaths and usually try to split Solomon's baby,
but in this case it means they land on the side of believers, so it
makes them uncomfortable.  They want definitive evidence, even if it's
only 153  peer-reviewed replications. 



 It makes no difference. 14,000 or 7,000 or 700 would be more than
enough to prove it is real, and that -- in turn -- proves that Cude is
wrong.

***It makes a difference to those people who are attracted to the field
by recent buzz, look into it and find themselves on ecatnews.com
discussions or elsewhere.  They are interested but skeptical. 
Skeptopaths like Joshua Cude use their wiles to turn such interested
folk. 



On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
wrote:




Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:



Joshua Cude managed to dismantle the claim of 14,720 replications. 

http://ecatnews.com/?p=2669cpage=14#comment-76884


popeye Reply

December 15, 2014 at 4:43 pm


Kevmo wrote:


JT He of the Chinese Academy of Sciences says 14,720 times…


Your link for this doesn't work, but I found the article (Front. Phys.
China (2007) 1: 96―102 ). And in it is given a table claiming 14,720
as an estimated number of experiments performed. Not positive
results, let alone replications of anything specified. . . .


1. Most of them are positive.


2. Many others are not reported.


3. There have been plenty of others after that.


4. Even 1 positive result proves beyond question that Cude is full of
shit.


5. This entire discussion is ridiculous. Who cares exactly how many? It
makes no difference. 14,000 or 7,000 or 700 would be more than enough to
prove it is real, and that -- in turn -- proves that Cude is wrong.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Photon chain reaction powered by DCE

[Ron Wormus]

Here's a link to the science daily article on the experiment:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/18133050.htm

--On Friday, November 14, 2014 7:29 AM -0800 Jones Beene 
jone...@pacbell.net wrote:





Another thought experiment …



Here is a video an oscillating mirror which creates photons… and
this has actually been proved in experiments at low power. Moving the
mirror requires energy input which makes the free photon
production  less than overunity, of course... at least for now. The
mirror in this case is a planar metallic surface fabricated at
nano-geometry using the same lithography techniques of the semiconductor
industry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDzqqsTFywk



The goal of this thought experiment is persistent light, not to be
confused with the biological term. This is a form of overunity, and thus
is technically impossible without an outside source of energy, which is
to be the DCE, or dynamical Casimir effect. If DCE moves the mirror then
net gain will be possible in the form of persistent light and a photon
chain reaction.



Now, Imagine a hollow sphere as a mirror. Obviously light can be
reflected by a sphere, both internally and externally. If the sphere
wall is thin enough, the sphere will naturally pulsate at the blackbody
rate. If the pulsation is in step with a multiple of the wave length of
light being reflected, and have created photons in the hollow
sphere, then on paper at least, DCE would be the proximate source
of gain for persistent light.



With phonons and photons resonantly vibrating - if the spheres are
translucent - we have a material which glows and tends to lock
adjoining spheres into harmony. The phonon pulsation would be at an IR
frequency and the photons would be visible and either coherent of
superradiant. The ratio of the two wavelengths cannot be too great, or
any kind of resonant coupling would be lost. An interesting starting
point is to start with photon input from a low-pressure sodium lamp,
which naturally gives only monochromatic yellow light at 589 nm. Once
near coherence is reached the lamp is shut off.



If the glowing material is a dielectric, like titania, we have
what is known as a dielectric mirror (aka Bragg reflector). In
short, this experiment proposes that a photonic chain reaction
(defined as extreme persistent luminescence) follows from a variation of
the Bragg reflector, made of translucent titania nanospheres, which are
commercially available and will benefit from added created photons
from the internal vibrating mirrors. Losses can be extremely low, since
99.99% of incident light is reflected, so the DCE photon creation only
needs to make up a few ppm of losses. The trick is to tailor everything
together at stepped resonance. The most extreme ratio where coupling
occurs is not known, but probably would benefit from a third medium in
the middle, since IR wavelengths are so much longer than visible light.
IR



Triple coherency could be possible in this context, if a another
reflective and electrically conductive material were interspersed with
the titania. This could result in mutual resonance for photons, phonons
and electrons (the matter wave of the electron if the conductor was an
exciton).



Here is a step one: start with photospheres of a chosen cavity
size (to match an IR wavelength) which have cavities in the Casimir
range of geometry.

http://www.cospheric.com/TiO2_titanium_dioxide_coated_glass_spheres.htm

which are rather pricey, so this proposal will await a sponsor to move
into the Lab, but as they say in the MasterCard ads, the result could be
priceless…



At one time, it looked like a AC frequency could work as the 3rd system
to be made coherent, but static charge is a better bet- in the
sense of a local field. Thus, the next step is to mix excitons into the
titania in the form of QSI nanospheres. An IR photon with a wavelength
of 9.4 microns is a ratio of 16x the monochromatic emission of sodium
and has an energy of less than .2 eV. That IR photon would be paired
with an electron with a kinetic energy of .0002 eV. The associated
DeBroglie wavelength is about the same as the photon, but that is rather
cold. In effect this is a static free electron with an oscillating
exciton hole, and that  the entire structure with intermixed titania is
semi-coherent and translucent.



Persistent light or the photon chain reaction would be a
form of overunity which has enormous appeal, since it is self-powered in
a most obvious way that cannot be denied - and can in principle be
powered by DCE. The devil is in the details, however, and as you can
see, I am not there yet on getting the details to line up for triple
coherency.



This is an invitation for anyone who has been thinking along these lines
to propose their own version of persistent light, even if it requires
LENR instead of DCE. The holy grail is a stand-alone system with no
outside power input after startup, such as Dennis Cravens almost
demonstrated at NI 

Re: [Vo]:ONU @ verisoft.com WARNING MESSAGE

[Ron Wormus]

I got them last time I posted.
Ron

--On Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:39 AM -0700 Alan Fletcher 
a...@well.com wrote:



Is anyone else getting these verisoft messages when you post?  Since I
don't email to ONU directly, I presume it's the vortex mail server
sending a copy to ONU., and I get the message because it's recorded as
from: me.

I suppose I could blacklist verisoft 

MDaemon Delivery Status Notification - http://www.altn.com/dsn

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(lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat  -- and the
defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

[Ron Wormus]

--On Thursday, October 09, 2014 5:07 AM -0400 Craig Haynie 
cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:




It does look like the system ran until its fuel was exhausted.

The unused fuel shows the natural isotope composition from both SIMS
and ICP-MS, i.e. 58 Ni (68.1%), 60 Ni (26.2%), 61 Ni (1.1%), 62 Ni
(3.6%), and 64 Ni (0.9%), whereas the ash composition from SIMS is: 58
Ni (0.8.%), 60 Ni (0.5%), 61 Ni (0%), 62 Ni (98.7%), 64 Ni (0%), and
from ICP-MS: 58 Ni (0.8%), 60 Ni(0.3%), 61 Ni (0%), 62 Ni (99.3%), 64 Ni
(0%).

Craig



They only analyzes a few grains of the ash. I doubt that the ash is 
homogenous  isotropic so it is likely incorrect to assume that system ran 
to exhaustion.


Maybe the ash is predominately spent fuel while most of the fuel remains 
active.


Ron

Re: [Vo]:[Rossi TR#2] Reactor close down : all Li and Ni converted. Coincidentally?

[Ron Wormus]

They only looked at a few grains of the ash so to extrapolate the results 
to all of the remaining fuel is probably erroneous.


--On Thursday, October 09, 2014 1:23 PM +0200 Teslaalset 
robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote:




I find it quite a coincident that after 32 days approximately all Ni and
Li were transmuted to Ni62 and Li6. I would have guessed that running
out of the original isotopes would create a reduced performance which
would be the reason for shutdown. 
Why has this not been mentioned? 

Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

[Ron Wormus]

Auburn University BLP Replication:

http://beforeitsnews.com/energy/2014/08/blacklight-power-gets-2-more-validations-more-information-2454992.html

Follow the links from the first sentence of the article.

--On Saturday, August 09, 2014 12:38 PM -0300 Daniel Rocha 
danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:




I don't have anything to ask. When I wrote I don't make heads or tails
of their theory, it's not because I cannot understand because it is too
hard or I missing something in the mumbo jumbo. In fact, what I mean is
an euphemism for their theory being not even wrong. What they do is
worse than WL theory, because at least these won't try to reformulate
*all* physics with things that are known not to work. 


What they do is either naive or dishonest. But given that their
experiments display a physical sign that it doesn't work (the fast
oxidation of the electrodes) and the massive money they are always
getting plus 20 years of over excuses, I am compelled to at least to
not take them seriously. 








2014-08-09 12:09 GMT-03:00 Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net:






But have you, Daniel? Have you tried?

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks





--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Wired: Nasa validates 'impossible' space drive

[Ron Wormus]

Axil,
Is there any data to backup your prodigious RF statement of fact? 
Spectrum analyzer etc.

Ron

--On Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:45 PM -0400 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com 
wrote:




The Ni/H reactor produces prodigious amounts of RF. This level of
production could even be increased by adding NMR active materials to the
structure of the reactor. This current disadvantage in Ni/H technology
might well be turned into an important feature. The Ni/H reaction could
provide a direct application of RF propulsion without the need to go to
electrical power first.



On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
wrote:


See:


http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/31/nasa-validates-impossible
-space-drive



Eric

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Ron Wormus]

You have no idea what you are talking abut. Speaking as a fromer B52 pilot.
Ron

--On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:02 PM -0400 ChemE Stewart 
cheme...@gmail.com wrote:



Things happen fast at 500 MPH.  They had just reached cruising altitude
maybe one of them was back in the head and got sucked out...

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:




ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:



Maybe it wasn't a fire, maybe it was a sudden breach of the cabin @
35,000 ft with 500 MPH winds in their face and no oxygen...who knows




Pilots always have oxygen. They have oxygen masks. These are much better
than ones that passengers get, with goggles. They protect the eyes in
the event of fire or a broken window, and they have built-in
microphones. The airplane flew for hours after the IFF was turned off
and it deviated from course. They had plenty of time to contact flight
control. 


When the US Airways flight from LaGuardia was disabled and had to land
in the Hudson, the pilot and copilot were very busy and had only a few
minutes to deal with the problem, but they talked to flight control.


I do not think the facts fit this scenario at all. I am no expert in
aviation, but this seems very far fetched.


- Jed

RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

[Ron Wormus]

Jones,
With the information we have it's impossible to say.

It seems suspicious (if true) that the plane maneuvered after passing a 
logical emergency landing site. The only reason the iff (transponder) 
wouldn't be switched to emergency squawk is a very bad electrical fire 
where the procedure is to pull all the circuit breakers which would turn 
systems off while the fire was isolated. But it is unlikely the plane 
would fly on for 7 hours with a fire of that magnitude


With a rapid decompression (Chem E's scenario) There is a loud 'POP' the 
cabin fills with cloud (no huge wind with bodies flying out the window 
etc. as in the movies)  you have a few minutes to get down to breathing 
altitude after going on 100% Oxygen, supplied at a positive pressure. The 
pilots can't sustain high altitude flight unpressurized with out a 
pressure suit (you get the bends). It would seem to be tricky to kill all 
the passengers by hypoxia (they have oxygen too) without impairing the 
pilots also.


We really don't know what the radio or radar coverage is in the overwater 
areas. When I was flying there, in the Vietnam era, it was nil, except for 
HF radio position reporting radar was only good for a couple hundred miles 
out depending upon altitude.


Diego Garcia is definitely in the area but seems to me like there would 
less conspicuous ways to get an aircraft to repaint etc.


I enjoy reading the rampant uninformed speculation though.
Ron



--On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:42 PM -0700 Jones Beene 
jone...@pacbell.net wrote:



-Original Message-
From: Ron Wormus

... Speaking as a former B52 pilot.

Hey Ron,

What is your take on this disappearing plane incident?

As I recall a few years back, you were a little concerned that the truth
about the missing Minot nuke was being told...

Jones

[Vo]:Another Bettery

[Ron Wormus]

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Energy-Voices/2014/0109/Clean-energy-storage-on-the-cheap-in-new-flow-battery

[Vo]:OT: 9th Grade Science Project: WiFi prevents seed germination

[Ron Wormus]

http://a-sheep-no-more.blogspot.com/2013/12/9th-grade-science-project-finds-plants_3.html

This would be an interesting experiment to repeat with plants at varying 
distance from the same router to see if there's a dose response effect. 
 Even better would be cellular culture, but that's harder to manage 
without a lab.


I think I will move my router further away from my desktop.
Ron

Re: [Vo]:synthesis of my ideas re the past, present and future of our field

[Ron Wormus]

This may be an interesting development:

http://www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/new-discovery-simplifies-quantum-physics/
Ron

--On Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:12 PM -0400 Axil Axil 
janap...@gmail.com wrote:





I am getting a bad feeling that LENR is still here way before its time.
Science is not at a stage that will accept LENR as a possibility. It
looks to me like magnetism is a key factor in the quantum mechanical
processes at the heart of the disruption of nuclear stability.

Looking back at the recent history of experimental and theoretical
physics that occurred in the mid 1990's, magnetism turned out to be
the primary causative factor in the weird and hard to understand
experimental results that first revealed the quantum hall effect.
Experiments showed that resistance could be quantized when electrons
were highly constrained dimensionally and were also acted on by a strong
magnetic field.

Even weirder, electric charge could be fractionalized when electrons
were exposed to a strong magnetic field.

This process of electron charge fractionalization is very difficult to
visualize physically. So physicists have come up with a quasiparticle
concept called a composite fermion to depict what is happening to many
electrons affected by a strong magnetic field.

Back then, the physics community was pained to explain this perplexing
experimental fractional charge result. But this experimental shock
created a new burst of innovation in string theory and quantum field
theory which is still nascent and not yet fully understood.

There are still many perplexities in particle physics.

Almost half a century ago, Yang and Mills introduced a remarkable new
framework to describe elementary particles using structures that also
occur in geometry. Quantum Yang-Mills theory is now the foundation of
most of elementary particle theory, and its predictions have been tested
at many experimental laboratories, but its mathematical foundation is
still unclear. The successful use of Yang-Mills theory to describe the
strong interactions of elementary particles depends on a subtle quantum
mechanical property called the mass gap: the quantum particles have
positive masses, even though the classical waves travel at the speed of
light. This property has been discovered by physicists from experiment
and confirmed by computer simulations, but it still has not been
understood from a theoretical point of view. Progress in establishing
the existence of the Yang-Mills theory and a mass gap and will require
the introduction of fundamental new ideas both in physics and in
mathematics.

The Clay Mathematics Institute American Mathematical Society has offered
a million dollar prize to anyone who can supply this new physics and
mathematics.

http://www.claymath.org/library/monographs/MPPc.pdf

This tells me that the theoretical and mathematical foundation that a
valid theory of LENR can be built on is not in place yet.

LENR is very much like the fractionalized quantum Hall Effect (FQHE) in
that electrons and quarks are fermions. But where in the FQHE, the
strong directly applied magnetic field causes the charge of the electron
to be cut to factions and even completely eliminated, the strong
magnetic fields involved in LENR causes the charges of quarks to be
greatly reduced or even completely eliminated.

When the charge and spin properties of the quarks in the nucleus are
disrupted in the nucleus, new quark configurations will after the strong
magnetic field is removed. This is the basis of transmutation and even
fusion.


Where theoretical physics finally realizes this experimental wonder that
is LENR, there will be a new rebirth in string and quantum field theory
thinking not unlike what is currently happening with the FQHE.


Theoretical physics has been alienated by completely inappropriate
theoretical explanations of LENR experimental results over the decades
that counter the current theoretical directions and aspirations of
theoretical physics. In this branch of conservative science, much damage
to the credibility of LENR has been done that can only be corrected by
the Rossi method of pushing experimental reality in the face of 
incomplete theoretical physics through the release of a hitherto
completely magical and unexplained commercial product.

 


 



On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
wrote:


Dear Friends,


I published now: 
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/09/everything-i-knew-about-cold-fus
ion-was.html


It is an appeal to a Paradigm Shift, actually I have published these
ideas long ago, now I just made a synthesis of them.
I am realist and I know this paper will have a limited impact,
preponderemtly negative. I don't csre. I care for the future of LENR.
LENR will be technological, or will not be.


Peter


--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:FYI: A more efficient means of hydrogen production...

[Ron Wormus]

Mark,
I am reading Dr. Pollaks book (4th Phase of Water) now and highly 
recommend it. It seems quite possible that many of his insights are 
applicable to LENR.


The book is an easy read with a lot of experimental explanation.
Ron

--On Monday, September 09, 2013 9:43 PM -0700 MarkI-ZeroPoint 
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:





FYI:

…the research team managed to assemble what they describe as a
'cocktail' of enzymes, all with desirable properties, that resulted
in a reaction that yields more than three times the hydrogen of what a
single microorganism could achieve on its own.

http://www.catalyst-commercial.co.uk/is-this-the-hydrogen-breakthrough-a
lternative-energy-has-been-waiting-for



So, for the first time, low-energy waste heat from other reactions
can be used to create new hydrogen – resulting in an energy efficiency
of over 100%.





And for any newcomers who have not heard of Dr. Gerald Pollack and the
4th Phase of Water, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q33KyLkP_Rg



-Mark Iverson

Re: [Vo]:OT: More Cheese Power?

[Ron Wormus]

Pretty cool you can kind of see the harness under his jacket (squared 
shoulder).  I expect the hand on the bus is metal brace fabricated to 
look like a real hand and connects into a harness system under his hoodie


--On Monday, June 24, 2013 3:01 PM +0200 Charles Francis 
fran...@datacomm.ch wrote:



http://www.itn.co.uk/And%20Finally/78885/dynamo-levitates-on-the-side-of
-a-d ouble-decker-bus

Re: [Vo]:Electric (LENR) airplane

[Ron Wormus]

Does it fly?

--On Friday, June 21, 2013 7:08 AM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net 
wrote:



With all the talk about NASA and an LENR powered airplane, it would seem
that all that one needs now for the near-term reality - is to apply a
HotCat with a direct conversion scheme - to this design for the E-plane.

It is quite beautiful - and appeared recently at the Paris Air Show, but
more of a powered glider.

http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/21/new-electric-airplane-shown-off-at-p
aris
-air-show-video/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed
%3A+ IM-cleantechnica+%28CleanTechnica%29

We have thrown out ideas for direct conversion before. At the high
temperature of the HotCat, they become far more feasible.

The most obvious one - if there is IR resonance as part of the
operational parameters, is a photocell designed exactly for the emission
spectrum. These have actually been fabricated

http://cearl.ee.psu.edu/Projects/Assets/Project2/Project2_3_1/DualbandIR
filt ersDrupp0904.pdf

Notice the wavelength captured is very specific to the geometry of the
fractal which is etched. This favors high efficiency at say 20 terahertz
- with efficiency possibly above the range of broad-band solar
photocells.

An optimist could imagine 6 HotCats in a hexagonal array, surrounded by
these fractal antenna powering the EADS glider, manned (or more likely
unmanned as a drone) for a very long time.

Around the World in two weeks by 2015? In your dreams, maybe.

Jones

RE: [Vo]:Electric (LENR) airplane

[Ron Wormus]

Sure. I'd fly it around in ground effect. Those wing gear look pretty 
spindly though.


I think they would be better served by putting the ducted electric fan on 
an existing sailplane design that just needs to get off the ground enough 
to find some lift. Then the batteries wouldn't need to be too large.

Ron

--On Friday, June 21, 2013 10:39 AM -0700 Jones Beene 
jone...@pacbell.net wrote:





-Original Message-
From: Ron Wormus

Does it fly?


Hi Ron - No indication of it flying yet.

As with the Convair Pogo they could be awaiting a brave test pilot :)

Care to volunteer?

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat CB radio RF generation

[Ron Wormus]

I notice that in the pictures they are twisted pairs; could it be a 
transmission line.


--On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:57 PM -0400 David L Babcock 
ol...@rochester.rr.com wrote:




If plenty of power is available, and stringent RF interference specs
don't need to be met, the simple wires will work fine.

But I must admit an engineer would always use a coax for such a task.
 But maybe not an engineer who is trying to obsfucate


On 5/29/2013 4:47 PM, Arnaud Kodeck wrote:




To bring CB signal, the wires have to be shielded. The impedance must
match in all system. Attenuation of CB signal must be kept as low as
possible … The simple wires from the black box to the eCat doesn't
meet those requirements. It's common sense for an EE.




__

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:43
 To: vortex-l
 Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat




Why else would Rossi say that the output of his control box was a trade
secret?



A DC feed of a internal heater is not a trade secret.



On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be
wrote:


Axil,

I doubt that the actual design of the eCat is able to bring CB range
signal from electrical heating system. Or where else ?





__

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:08
 To: vortex-l



Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat




EMF simulation in the CB range will form nanoparticles (aka clusters).
Potassium is the best candidate for the formation of dynamic NAE through
nanoparticle formation when stimulated by EMF.



On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be
wrote:


Ed,



I think you forget to add the EM stimulation controlled by the black box
between wall socket and the eCat.

 Arnaud

Re: [Vo]:Hagelstein's editorial

[Ron Wormus]

Fran,
Have you considered using paragraphs as well as ellipses? It would make 
you posts so much easier to read.

Ron

--On Monday, May 06, 2013 7:33 PM + Roarty, Francis X 
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:





I guess my comment is biased heavily toward my pet theories regarding
geometry  and only regarding a low powered visible example of the
effect- not something that could ever heat your home. If special
isotopes are required as Jones' suggest then of course we aren't
going to find them at Wall Mart, but, if milling geometry and zero point
considerations happen to be at the heart of this effect then the
possibility of home milled powders and materials goes way up.. I have
always suspected a geometrical link between pyrophoricity and these
anomalies where hot coals put ambient gases very close to combustion
levels that become concentrated when gas flow is increased in a parallel
way to that by which LENR+ seems to occur with gas loading into and out
of the lattice. If I had the lab equipment I would love to mill nickel
and possibly Tungsten in an inert glove box and then keep the powder
permanently mixed with either inert gas or  mixed with percentages of
hydrogen while being simultaneously heat sunk..  perhaps an upside down
reactor bowl  under liquid to trap the desired atmosphere while
providing heat sinking… my thought being that the geometry is far more
capable than we suspect but being constantly torn down by nature at the
nano scale before ever achieving these anomalous effects we only see in
a stunted short lived effect when conditions are just right..activating
without oxygen in situ.. I suggest that preventing combustion in a super
catalytic environment can discount disassociation of H2 to the point of
OU and serve as the bootstrap energy for the nuclear effects others are
researching…. I don't think this violates COE but rather that COE
falsely implies that HUP can never be exploited while Casimir geometry
is providing the loophole to that rule ..  The radioactive  half life
anomalies suggest the normal cancellation of gas motion/ HUP is being
biased spatially..  I am convinced that the individual radioactive gas
atoms never experience any change in half life from their own local
perspective but rather become accelerated in a negative inertial frame
from our perspective [we slow down like the paradox twin near C], This
Pythagorean relationship between it's spatial frame and ours
outside the suppression geometry is what I posit can allow HUP to be
exploited.. a sort of self assembling Maxwellian demon that can
differentiate  h1 from H2 by opposing motion of one more than the other
between different suppression/inertial zones.



Fran



From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:07 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Hagelstein's editorial



Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:







The funny thing about your comment is that you just know
30 minutes after someone finally nails the working principle behind
these effects that they really will Mcgiver together a working
example out of off the shelf products at Wall Mart. .. :_).





I doubt it. Here are some mass produced devices similar to a cold fusion
cell. An ordinary person at home cannot make them with off-the-shelf
components:



NiCad battery

Computer CPU chip

Catalytic converter

Fuel cell



I expect that cold fusion will always call for precision manufacturing,
pure metals and clean, automated production lines.



- Jed

[Vo]:IBM Stop Motion Film of Cu Atoms

[Ron Wormus]

Pretty Cool.

http://io9.com/this-is-officially-the-worlds-tiniest-stop-motion-film-486198380?autoplay=1

Re: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group Mind occasionally waking up?

[Ron Wormus]

Vorts,
Flocking seems to be a bottom up emergent property of lots of natural 
systems that can be modeled using complexity theory. It's been awhile 
since I read it but I belive it's covered in: At home in the Universe by 
Stuart Kauffman. A really interesting book by the way.


A quick search turns up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flocking_(behavior)

It looks like Craig Reynolds is the originator of the modeling.
Ron

--On Monday, December 10, 2012 9:07 PM -0500 David Roberson 
dlrober...@aol.com wrote:



Your post brings back a memory from a year or so ago.  Someone made a
model of bird flocks similar to what you are describing where they tried
different behavior criteria.  I think that they actually came up with a
good match to what is observed.  I wish I could remember where that
article was located.


Dave



-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 8:12 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT (Holiday Spirit): Christmas Flash Mob... or Group
Mind occasionally waking up?



From Harry:


it would be interesting to track the position of one bird within the

flock.

Yes, it would! I suspect technology is advanced and miniaturized enough
that
we could easily fit locator chips on several starlings. Start collecting
data.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Image Manipulation in Gale Crater

[Ron Wormus]

Yes, when you make a mosaic the individual images have different scales  
distortions due to the location  lens characteristics of the camera so 
they don't stitch together perfectly.

Ron
--On Monday, October 01, 2012 10:04 AM -0400 Terry Blanton 
hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:



Could this be accidental?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhWCC1xPRF4feature=player_embedded

Re: [Vo]:unsuscribe

[Ron Wormus]

From the Vortex list web site:


To unsubscribe, send a *blank* message to:
 vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com
 Put the single word unsubscribe in the subject line of the header.  No
 quotes around unsubscribe, of course.

--On Friday, September 21, 2012 1:21 PM -0400 johnst...@tetrahelix.com 
wrote:

Re: [Vo]:New paper on cavitation/sonofusion

[Ron Wormus]

Aren't LeClair's claims completely unsubstantiated?
Ron

--On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 1:20 AM -0400 Axil Axil 
janap...@gmail.com wrote:




Doesn't LeClair's cavatation patent take the Quantum Potential
Corporation out of the fusion from cavitation business?
 
Cheers:   Axil


On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:46 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:

Cavitation-Induced Fusion: Proof of Concept - Max I. Fomitchev-Zamilov

Cavitation-induced fusion (also known as bubble fusion or sonofusion) has
been a topic of much debate and controversy and is generally (albeit
incorrectly) perceived as unworkable. In this paper we present the
theoretical foundations of cavitation-induced fusion and summarize the
experimental results of the research conducted in the past 20 years.
Based
on
the systematic study of all available data we conclude that the
cavitation-induced fusion is feasible, doable, and can be used for
commercial power generation. We present the results of our own research
and disclose a
commercial reactor prototype.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1209/1209.2407.pdf

Re: [Vo]:OT: Gene-Doping

[Ron Wormus]

Maybe they should just go back to horses  mules .. much cheaper.

--On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:07 AM -0400 Terry Blanton 
hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:



Not to diminish the work done by ARPA-E, take a look at this from DARPA:

http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2012/09/10.aspx

It really gives me the creeps.

T

Re: [Vo]:Inspiration

[Ron Wormus]

One would assume that the manufacturers of these engines have done enough 
due diligence to know that it works before entering into a license 
agreement.

Ron

--On Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:36 AM -0600 Eric Walker 
eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:



On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:38, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:


Yet we cannot rely upon this reality until there is substantially more
available. McKubre would be, with his comment, encouraging Bob Rohner
to continue his work.


Agreed.  You make many valid points, especially concerning speculation
about any mechanism.

The point I'm directly addressing is one suggested earlier by Jones,
that one would be naive and gullible to take interest in the newer Papp
models. To this I would say, to the contrary -- all one needs is prima
facie evidence that there might be something going on, which is what we
get with Michael McKubre's endorsement.

Eric

RE: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we are crazy

[Ron Wormus]

As far as I know a child born to a US citizen is automatically also a 
citizen regardless of location of birth.  I have grand daughters born in 
Switzerland who have dual citizenship.

Ron

--On Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:31 PM -0700 MarkI-ZeroPoint 
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:





Good debate!  This is what freedom of speech is all about…



His grandparents were not dumb and knew the benefits of US
citizenship.  No conspiracy to be POTUS has to be invoked, only that
they want their grandchild to be a US citizen is good enough a reason.



Agreed.   His mother was Caucasian and from the US (she was born here),
so it certainly is likely that *if* she was returning  to the USA
*permanently*, and with baby Barack, she would have wanted for him to be
a U.S. Citizen.  If I was a parent in that situation, I sure as heck
would…



I'm sure his parents were NOT thinking anything about their son being
POTUS someday, obviously, but as explained, there is NO need to bring up
the in case he wanted to become President someday argument…
there is reason enough by just coming here.



If that was you bringing in your newborn, would you not want your child
to be a US citizen?



I must confess, I have only looked at a limited amount of the arguments
and evidence about the whole issue, so am on the fence so far… perhaps
after the next election we'll find out?   Or not…



-Mark






From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:02 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Blather in the mass media makes scientists think we
are crazy



Straw Man argument.



First, the Hawaii authorities are the ones which automatically post all
births in the newspaper.  During that time, anyone can report a birth to
Hawaii authorities even if the birth did not physically occur in Hawaii.
Hawaii authorities did not have to verify the reported birth.  Funny
though cause that address belongs to the grandparents, not bambi's
parents.



Second, there is no need to argue that his grandparents secretly
conspired to make him a citizen because they knew he was going to be
president.  That's a straw man.   His grandparents were not dumb and
knew the benefits of US citizenship.  No conspiracy to be POTUS has to
be invoked, only that they want their grandchild to be a US citizen is
good enough a reason.







But just give me a simple explanation why his Hawaii Vault BC is still
secret.  He can end this Birther conspiracy movement with a single phone
call to release his vault BC.  Why hasn't he done it?  All your eloquent
reasons will not overcome this simple fact.



Jojo

RE: [Vo]:Connect the dots : di Vito, Ansaldo Energia , Siemens, Rossi ...

[Ron Wormus]

Mark,
I had followed Evans work for some time years ago but his math is way over 
my head. Not long ago I received this communication from him Re Bearden:


In a message dated 29/03/2012 20:17:19 GMT Daylight Time

I parted company with Tom Bearden fourteen years ago, and it is AIAS 
policy not to communicate with him. I know that he refers to www.aias.us a 
lot, so I hope he will learn something. The www.aias.us site has generated 
intense worldwide interest since 2003. A lot of unscrupulous people have 
tried to use Bearden against myself, but that campaign fizzled out years 
ago.


It took me some time to determine that Bearden was a fraud so I don't 
think Evans past association with him should reflect on his current 
theories.

Ron

--On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:43 PM -0700 MarkI-ZeroPoint 
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:



Akira,
I am familiar with Myron Evans... a VERY, VERY prolific theorist -- over
800 publications -- see below for research summary.

My interest stemmed from Evans' work on Radiation-induced Fermion
Resonance, which he claims could be more accurate than NMR, and much
simpler in that it doesn't require strong mag-flds.

I contacted a mathematician who published several papers with Evans, and
he felt that Evans got off-track when he began collaborating with
Bearden... gee, don't know why? :-)  The mathematician thinks that
interaction led to almost professional suicide on Evans' part, and the
mathematician did not want to suffer the same fate and left the Evans'
research group. When I asked him about *the mathematical soundness of
Evans' work*, he had nothing bad to say... he left *only* because of
Evans' work with Bearden... Evans also has a Unified Field Theory.

-Mark

BRIEF SUMMARY OF RESEARCH WORK

Over eight hundred publications in chemistry and physics, most of which
can be read on the Omnia Opera section of www.aias.us. First generally
accepted explanation of the far infra red region of the electromagnetic
spectrum in terms of statistical mechanics and computer simulation.
Pioneer and developer of computer simulation and animation, especially
with application to molecular motion. Pioneer and coordinator of the
multi technical investigation of molecular dynamics within the EMLG
founded at the British National Physical Laboratory. Many original
discoveries in molecular dynamics and statistical mechanics. Development
of field applied molecular dynamics computer simulation with
applications to non-linear optics, ESR and NMR. Discovery of the
fundamental longitudinal magnetic field of electromagnetic radiation,
the B(3) field. Development of higher topology electromagnetic gauge
theory, O(3) electrodynamics. Development of generally covariant unified
field theory, generally accepted as the leading theory of its type at
present. Industrial development of environment friendly devices such as
new energy devices which have no carbon footprint and produce no
emissions and counter gravitational device research.


-Original Message-
From: Akira Shirakawa [mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:52 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Connect the dots : di Vito, Ansaldo Energia , Siemens,
Rossi ...

On 2012-07-31 21:24, Alan J Fletcher wrote:

[...]


As for a loose link with Siemens, have a look at this. There are hints
about a conference in Zurich on LENR in September.:

http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/low-energy-nuclear-reaction
-len r/

The Horst person of the email cited in the link above is Dr. Horst
Eckardt, Ph.D in solid state physics, who happens to work for Siemens.

(together with Dr. Myron Evans, he is one of authors of a new theory
aimed to replace the Standard Model, which from what I understand it -
but this is way beyond my expertise so take this with a grain of salt -
might also be better suited to explain how LENR work. Website here:
http://www.aias.us/ )

As I'm writing, a dedicated E-CatWorld blog post appeared here:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/rossis-e-cat-technology-to-be-presente
d-in -zurich-in-september/

Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Mistaken notions about human populations and longevity

[Ron Wormus]

--On Monday, May 21, 2012 5:57 PM -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com 
wrote:



No doubt that is the biological root of the obesity problem. That is why fat 
people exist. I
doubt there are any obese chimpanzees in the wild.


Chimpanzees do not have fire and so do not cook their food  must devote most of their day to 
chewing  digesting a lot of raw food. Mastering fire  cooking food has allowed humans to quickly 
fuel our large brains using a short digestive system.

Ron

[Vo]:Controlling Quantum Tunneling With Light

[Ron Wormus]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120405142156.htm

According to team leader, Professor Jeremy Baumberg, the trick to telling electrons how to pass 
through walls, is to now marry them with light.
This marriage is fated because the light is in the form of cavity photons, packets of light trapped 
to bounce back and forth between mirrors which sandwich the electrons oscillating through their 
wall.


Ron

[Vo]:A new use for the Vortex ... Vortex Radio Waves

[Ron Wormus]

Really creative!
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/120803-vortex-radio-waves-could-boost-wireless-capacity-infinitely

Re: [Vo]:Cross-over technology

[Ron Wormus]

This one looks interesting:
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/116853-mits-photonic-crystals-lead-towards-a-nuclear-reactor-in-every-gadget
Ron

--On Friday, February 03, 2012 9:02 AM -0800 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net 
wrote:


It is possible that somewhere down the road, a cross-over technology from a
completely different field (like information technology) may be needed to
take Ni-H to the required level of true on demand repeatability - over
many months. To wit, something like this:

http://www.rdmag.com/News/2012/02/Information-Tech-Computing-Materials-Fabri
cation-method-pushes-recording-density-to-3-3-Tb-per-square-inch/

Imagine a nickel alloy film which is etched into perfectly sized excitons
(or Casimir Cavities, or a combination or the two as pictured) ...

They are down to below 30 nm now and 15 nm is mentioned. Getting below 10 nm
will be optimum (the Forster radius and FRET defines the required range) but
the space between the excitons as shown in this image is already there
(for Casimir pits).

This story is emblematic of the kind of engineering effort that should be
going into Ni-H now.

We need to expend - not simply millions for RD for this technology - but
billions annually. It is that important. In the end the amount spent will be
'chump change' compared to the trillions saved - most of it now ending up in
the coffers of OPEC.

Jones

RE: [Vo]:The color of vortex?

[Ron Wormus]

Junes
Novelty plasma balls form strings although Ar plasma is usually more purple than blue. I think it 
must be due to his excitation method.It would be nice if he some how got excess out of the W but 
wouldn't that at  least require some H in the gas? Ar is supposed to be a Mills catalyst but I 
didn't see much when I experimented with a Ar/H2 tube fired with RF. Nothing like the Sr which was 
dramatic.


As usual we don't have enough information to draw any conclusions.
Ron

--On Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:52 PM -0800 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net 
wrote:


Ron,

Yes - Maybe the color is due to argon plasma - which is blue color - but
still, it should not be stringy. The glow pattern seems to be coming from
only the filament, and too linear to be normal plasma, no? And it is a very
long filament. In another video he uses that same bulb, and the yellowish
light is seen which is more typical. Presumably they are both filled with
the same gas.

If the color were indicative of the blackbody radiation of tungsten, the
shift from yellow to blue represents about a 5000 degrees increase in
temperature, nearly double. Here is a chart that displays the applicable
temp - color variation in a dramatic way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PlanckianLocus.png

Since the intensity of light is less than expected with grid AC going
through the bulb, but the spectrum is shifted to blue, it seems like it must
be some kind of surface near field effect where the argon plasma stays very
near the metal as if captured.

OK. Eureka! just had a flash of insight. Here is a close-up of a typical
tungsten filament, showing the very tight secondary helix that is hard to
see without magnification.

http://twinkle_toes_engineering.home.comcast.net/~twinkle_toes_engineering/t
ungsten_filament.jpg
Perhaps argon plasma stays within this helix and gets heated by induction
and captured in a linear string? This is kinda like the 'stellarator' of
project Sherwood, but that is giving away my age.


-Original Message-
From: Ron Wormus

Jones
It looks like he ionized the Argon gas in the bulb. Is he using RF modulated
with audio frequency sq waves? Still it should get hot.
Ron


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzkvoTsixYfeature=related


why is this light emission blue? The implications of a tungsten filament
emitting at a higher frequency than expected is intriguing ...

Re: [Vo]:RFG ?

[Ron Wormus]

Maybe he is using the RF to excite an ultrasonic Piezo transducer attached to his core to vibrate 
the powder.

Ron

--On Friday, January 27, 2012 5:31 AM -0700 mar...@krteknik.com wrote:


Hello guys

I would like your opinion on the rfg subject.
If Rossi is using a rfg to somehow stimulate the reaction, how has he applied 
it ?
I cant see any wires going into the reactor core on any pictures, except for 
the heater that is
wrapped around it.

And .. if the coil is fitted in the center of the core, it must be able to 
withstand 500c, and
should therefore be mounted in
a metal tube, like copper, and the amount of rf going in the reactor must not 
me very high, due
to the skin effect right ?
An rossi aint using much watts for the electronics according to mats lewans 
report, if i remember
it right.


So how is he doing it ?

Any ideas ?
Im going to try it myself, but i have no good solution for it exept using a 
induction heater of
sorts, but Rossi cant be using anything like it
due to cost, and power drain, so it must be done by other means.

p.s sorry for my english, im not a native english speaker . :)


Marten

Re: [Vo]:The color of vortex?

[Ron Wormus]

Jones
It looks like he ionized the Argon gas in the bulb. Is he using RF modulated with audio frequency 
sq waves? Still it should get hot.

Ron
--On Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:30 AM -0800 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net 
wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzkvoTsixYfeature=related

why is this light emission blue? The implications of a tungsten filament
emitting at a higher frequency than expected is intriguing ...

Re: [Vo]:CALL FOR REDIRECT OF SOME TOPICS OR DISCUSSIONS TO VORTEX-B

[Ron Wormus]

For what it's worth I prefer Vortex as it is and has been.
Ron

--On Monday, December 19, 2011 9:38 AM -0800 ecat builder 
ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote:


Vortex is a great list.. but I think it has outgrown the email list format.

I propose moving the list to a modern web forum based product. Modern
forums allow embedded HTML/multimedia, moderation,
yellow-card/red-card infractions, personal messaging, email
protection, full searching, plus all the other features of web over
email. talk-polywell.org has a decent forum, but LENR is still
marginalized and off-topic.

I would be happy to host vortex in any format on my site
(ecatplanet.net) and would also be willing to transfer ownership or
the domain name to something owned by the vort collective..

There are a number of fascinating writers out there who's work doesn't
have a forum for ongoing discussion. (Frank, Axil, Horrace, to name a
few.) Web based forums can have unlimited categories that are easily
searched for a particular author or subject.

This may be inviting too much off-topic discussion, but I've been
thinking about this for a while..

- Brad

RE: [Vo]:Phen formula from ecatbuilder.com

[Ron Wormus]

I think you can buy it in a pressurized tank with a regulator from gas 
suppliers.


On Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:53 AM +1000 Peter Brosnan ddc...@hotmail.com 
wrote:




Hi Guys ,  Pete from Australia here , I just found your site and joined up . I 
got interested in
Phen as well

Phen talks about   The chamber is pressurized with hydrogen to 2000 psi and heated 
to 200 C 


I'm trying replicate this stuff, got some of the gear here already , the rest 
is coming .


The Hurdle   is  how do I pressureize  my H2 at  2000 psi . Most of the Gas 
compressor I've seen
are $5000 + ( To rich for my blood )


One guy I read adapted his frigeration compressor for 600 psi


Any ideas guys


Thanks   Pete




__
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:05:44 -0200
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests 
described by McKubre
From: besantos1...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Yugo... must be serbian! (or croatian...slovenian...macedonian...)


Just kidding. :-)


No matter what, I like your skepticism. Even though, to me, it seems to be a 
lot of evidences
pro-CF, it helps keeping our feet on the ground.






2011/12/19 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com





On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Jed,
I'm not sure what is the ethnic origin of Mary.



Sorry, not Italian.

Re: [Vo]:It's Alive!

[Ron Wormus]

You know if it's really an RF signal it would likely require coaxial cable, need to be impedance 
matched, and run at way more than the stated 300ma.


I suspect he is driving some sort of piezo crystal maybe in ultrasound range.
Ron

--On Friday, November 25, 2011 12:01 AM -0500 Terry Blanton 
hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:


On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:

Heater power feeds are different coloured wires. The RFG wires (shielded
multicore cables as I suspect), are dark brown and black. Check any of the
front face photos of the E-Cat modules.
https://picasaweb.google.com/100758632386227249211/November25201102?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCLH
b8NSby9qtRAfeat=directlink They are the 2 right hand side wires with 
individual feed
connections above
each other. You can see the only wires going to those light tan boxes are
dark brown and black. Also note each box seems to feed 2 E-Cats.


Ah!  But, there are two RF feeds?  And what is that lime wire near the
heater feeds?

Interesting observation.

T

Re: [Vo]:[Vo] : ECAT 1 MW System-Dazzle or Fizzle

[Ron Wormus]

Personally, I like the 18 hr water heating only run done in February. Seems 
good to me.

I'd like the hard core skeptics (e.g. Mary, Joshua  Rich) to go away and leave us poor believers 
to our delusions.

Ron

--On Friday, November 18, 2011 11:41 AM -0500 David Roberson 
dlrober...@aol.com wrote:



I guess that I am easy to dazzle.  Rossi explained the reason for the secrecy, 
and I believe him.
And finally, I did see proof that the small units work as advertised.

Dave



-Original Message-
From: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 11:37 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Vo] : ECAT 1 MW System-Dazzle or Fizzle


Why are you dazzled by a test in which results were never verified by any 
credible and known
independent observers?  Even though there was more than a dozen invited guests 
there who could
have done so?  And could you explain why a test of a large machine is necessary 
or helpful when
it's composed of 50+ subunits, none of which have been properly and 
independently shown to
actually work as advertised?

Re: [Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core

[Ron Wormus]

What makes you think that a plasma is formed in Ross's device? It operates at high pressure (25 
Bars) so I doubt that plasma is involved at all.


I would like to hear some speculation on his reason for using many small reactors instead of larger 
devices. Is it due to safety concerns or is it the reaction physics or maybe the fuel needs to be 
prepared under high vacuum or some other size restricting manufacturing method.


I don't see his current prototypes as having commercial value as the refueling process (every 6 
months?) will be very labor intensive for 100+ reactors each buried inside a lead shielded 
insulated box.

Ron


--On Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:55 AM -0500 Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com 
wrote:





OK, since Rossi confirms this site, http://ecat.com/,  is official,  can we 
accept their
description as accurate? . [snip] The fuel, Nickel of very fine granularity + 
Hydrogen +
catalyst, is placed in a thin layer at the center of the reactor core.[/snip]. 
This description
is at odds with suggestions that the Ni as a surface layer on the inside wall 
of the reactor core
like the MAHG reactor tube. This central configuration would suggest thermal 
currents from the Ni
through the plasma to the walls of the reactor core. Do
es a partially ionized hydrogen plasma have the thermal heat sinking capacity 
to carry as much
heat as Rossi is claiming?  Would we be creating currents of H1heat away and H2 
returning to the
Ni?



Fran




From: francis [mailto:froarty...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:25 PM
To: danieldi...@gmail.com
Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo ]:thin Ni layer at center of reactor core. was Official 
ECAT site, finally?



Daniel,

   It appears to contain new information that- if correct-  will 
make for interesting
discussion. [snip] The fuel, Nickel of very fine granularity + Hydrogen + 
catalyst, is placed in
a thin layer at the center of the reactor core.[/snip] How can the heat be 
generated in the
center of the reactor and still heat sink effectively to the walls? I know 
plasma is a better
electrical conductor than metal but can it provide this sort of thermal 
conduction? Or is the
reaction primarily occurring in the plasma while the powder layer and catalyst 
supply fractional
Rydberg hydrogen into an homogenized plasma atmosphere filling the entire 
volume inside the
reactor core?





Fran



[Vo]:Official ECAT site, finally?

Daniel Rocha
Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:33:27 -0800
This is the old ecat.com domain, that one with the videos about the

October's experiments. Now, it was refurbished and it looks like really an

official website.

Re: [Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core

[Ron Wormus]

True enough but the temp is a bit higher. I just don't see igniting a plasma at those pressures 
with the input power being reported.

Ron

--On Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:50 PM -0200 Daniel Rocha 
danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:


Sun's core operates in even higher pressure! :)


2011/11/17 Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com

What makes you think that a plasma is formed in Ross's device? It operates at 
high pressure (25
Bars) so I doubt that plasma is involved at all.

Re: [Vo]:ECAT site claims thin Ni layer at center of reactor core

[Ron Wormus]

May be feasible, but I still see the current designs as prototypes that need a lot more industrial 
design work.

Ron

--On Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:09 PM +0100 Man on Bridges 
manonbrid...@aim.com wrote:


Hi,

On 17-11-2011 17:44, Ron Wormus wrote:

I don't see his current prototypes as having commercial value as the
refueling process (every 6 months?) will be very labor intensive for
100+ reactors each buried inside a lead shielded insulated box.


Not at all, ever heard of replacement modules?
This is very common for many industrial, telecommunication and medical 
equipment as repairs on
site are to time consuming and require usually to specialistic repair tools.
Therefore faulty modules are usually exchanged on site with new or refurbished 
working ones. So
the customer has a minimum period of the equipment being out of order.
In the mean time the faulty modules are being repaired/refurbished at the 
factory of the
supplier. Of course this requires good and valuable service contracts.

Kind regards,

MoB

Re: [Vo]:thin Ni layer at center of reactor core. was Official ECAT site, finally?

[Ron Wormus]

If I recall correctly H2 is an excellent thermal conductor. Most large steam turbine generators use 
Hydrogen for cooling.

Ron

--On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:25 PM -0500 francis 
froarty...@comcast.net wrote:




Daniel,

   It appears to contain new information that- if correct-  will 
make for interesting
discussion. [snip] The fuel, Nickel of very fine granularity + Hydrogen + 
catalyst, is placed in
a thin layer at the center of the reactor core.[/snip] How can the heat be 
generated in the
center of the reactor and still heat sink effectively to the walls? I know 
plasma is a better
electrical conductor than metal but can it provide this sort of thermal 
conduction? Or is the
reaction primarily occurring in the plasma while the powder layer and catalyst 
supply fractional
Rydberg hydrogen into an homogenized plasma atmosphere filling the entire 
volume inside the
reactor core?





Fran



[Vo]:Official ECAT site, finally?

Daniel Rocha
Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:33:27 -0800
This is the old ecat.com domain, that one with the videos about the

October's experiments. Now, it was refurbished and it looks like really an

official website.



http://ecat.com/

Re: [Vo]:The U.S. Patent Office's formal policy to reject all cold fusion applications

[Ron Wormus]

Rossi has a US Patent application:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=Ddate=20110113DB=EPODOClocale=en_EPCC=USNR=2011005506A1KC=A1

Ron
--On Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:38 PM -0500 Jed Rothwell 
jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:





On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
 






Yes, I think most experts would say they do.



That I would like to know more about.  It should be easy to show -- add the 
catalyst and get
evidence for a nuclear reaction namely neutrons and/or radiation.




This test will not work. Cold fusion does not produce neutrons and it seldom 
produces radiation.
I have told you that before. If you do not believe me, please review the 
literature on your own.


I think most readers here are familiar with the literature. Please do not make 
assertions about
cold fusion that all readers here know to be incorrect. This is not a 
beginner's forum. Beginners
should read the introductory papers by Storms at LENR-CANR.org, or the first 
chapter of my book.


 



  Run the same way without the catalyst and the evidence of nuclear reaction 
disappears. 
Someone has done that?  Can you provide a link or citation?




Of course. Hundreds of researchers have done that. Typically they run Pt 
instead of Pd, or H
instead of D (with Pd). If you did not know that, you need to read the 
literature.


 



Please avoid trying to read my mind.  I would be totally, completely and 
unequivocally delighted
if cold fusion turns out to be feasible and substantial.




I doubt that. Every expert I know -- except for Britz -- who has looked 
carefully at the evidence
was convince that cold fusion is real. You say it is not real. It is difficult 
not to read your
mind. You almost force me to suppose:


You are no expert despite the fact that you say you have worked with 
calorimeters. I doubt that.


OR


You refuse to look at the evidence, despite all the effort you put into writing 
these messages
and campaigning against cold fusion on the Internet. It seems extraordinary to 
me that someone
who expends so much effort on the subject knows practically nothing about cold 
fusion. In this
very message you claim that cold fusion produces neutrons and radiation, even 
though I have told
you many times that they do not. Either you are being disingenuous or you 
cannot bring yourself
to study or remember anything about this subject, even the ABC's that have been 
common knowledge
for 22 years!


A person who spends years writing about something yet who does not know the 
first thing about it
in denial. Strongly in denial. That is a sign of a person who does not want to 
know. Who cannot
face facts. That is not characteristic of someone who would be delighted to 
be proven wrong.
If you were the least bit delighted at that prospect, you would read the 
literature to find out
if there is some tantalizing hope the claims might be true. You would 
acquire some basic
knowledge of the phenomenon. Instead, you are aggressively ignorant, to the 
point where you
repeatedly ask questions about things that everyone knows.


Robert Park is the same way, by the way. He brags to people that he has never 
read a single paper
on cold fusion. I am sure he has read nothing, because his books and his 
columns about it are
grossly ignorant.


 



I am not aware that Park has done what you accuse him of.




I do not accuse him of anything! He brags about doing these things. To large 
crowds of people at
the APS. He bragged about it to me, in person. He publishes columns in the 
Washington Post
accusing cold fusion researchers of being criminals, lunatics and frauds.


Perhaps he is not as ruthless as he claims to be. Perhaps he did not actually 
destroy as many
lives and root out as many scientists as he claims. I know he managed to root 
out some, and I
am sure he would love to nail them all.


But in any case, I am not accusing him of anything; I am telling you what he 
says. If you do not
believe me, read his columns, or the WaPost, or ask him yourself.









When he realizes that he himself should have been rooted out decades ago, I 
expect he will be
devastated.



Any idea why anyone would do that?




Are you asking why Park roots out cold fusion researchers? As I mentioned, in 
his newspaper
columns and speeches he says he roots them out because they are criminals, 
lunatics and
frauds. I suppose he sincerely believes that. I take his statements at face 
value. But as I
said, ask him.






  It makes no sense and I tend to doubt it.




You tend to doubt that Park said what he said? It is right there in the WaPost! 
Maybe he is
beginning to have doubts . . . but in the past, he loved to attack cold fusion.
 




 As for destroying reputations, nothing restores them more than a few good 
experiments with
convincing results and reliable data subject to replication by others.




That is nonsense. Hundreds of impeccable, irrefutable cold fusion experiments 

Re: [Vo]:First video from the October 28th, 1 MW E-Cat test event

[Ron Wormus]

Sheese... hold the camera still. Love that crazy sweater!

--On Friday, October 28, 2011 2:57 PM -0700 ecat builder 
ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote:


More here: reactor running:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PESNetwork


Possibly more coming soon.

Re: [Vo]:The reaction was not dying off; it was increasing, and it was deliberately quenched

[Ron Wormus]

Jed
I find the heat after death nomenclature to be a bit weird. I think Rossi's self sustaining 
mode is more descriptive. Any idea where heat after death originated?

Ron

--On Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:02 AM -0400 Jed Rothwell 
jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:



Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:


The answer to your question can be given only by experiment.




I gather the question being: Will this system run indefinitely without input 
power?
Indefinitely is an indefinite description, meaning I do not know how long it 
might run. There
is no question it would have run longer than 4 hours.
 


 Rossi claims his system is absolutely different
from all the other LENRs so what happens in an Arata Cell is not valid for the 
E-cat.




The fact that Rossi makes this claim does not prove the claim is true. He does not 
own this
reaction in the sense that he can declare what it is or how it works. His 
opinion has no more
authority than, say, that of Piantelli or Storms.


In their White Paper, Defkalion claimed that this reaction has nothing to do 
with cold fusion.
All of cold fusion researchers I know disagree with them.


 


It is now the time Rossi should predict the duration of the 
1 MW demo- and this cannot be a few hours.




There is no indication this will be in heat-after-death mode. The large-scale 
reactor that
supposedly ran in a factory for months was not in heat-after-death mode as far 
as I know.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Toyota Group Claims Breakthrough In Artificial Photosynthesis

[Ron Wormus]

Here's another article on the H2 production method posted recently by Fran:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/09/bacteria-water-hydrogen-fuel/
Ron

--On Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:01 PM -0400 Jed Rothwell 
jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:


See:

http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110920D2009A09.htm

NAGOYA (Nikkei)--A Toyota Motor Corp. (7203) group research firm said Tuesday 
that it has
developed technology that duplicates how plants make energy, using only 
sunlight, water and
carbon dioxide.

Artificial photosynthesis is not new, but Toyota Central RD Laboratories Inc. 
says it has found
the world's first method that does not require special additives.

The reaction uses a metal-coated semiconductor as a photocatalyst and gives off 
oxygen and formic
acid as byproducts.

Developing practical uses will likely take some time. The process converts 
sunlight into energy
at an efficiency of 0.04%, making it only about a fifth as good as plants in 
general, according
to senior researcher Tsutomu Kajino. . . .

Re: [Vo]:Debunking Steorn Orbo

[Ron Wormus]

Peter,
As far as I can see Naudin has never tried an experiment that did not work for 
him.

His MAHG power measurements are in error (which has been pointed out to him).

His write ups are beautifully presented but in my opinion generally unreliable.
Ron

--On Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:01 AM +0200 Peter Heckert 
peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:


http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm

I think, this is easy to debunk.
They say, they have a toroidal magnet. An ideal toroidal magnet has no external 
field and so
there can be no back electromagnetic force.

Now this is untrue. In this magical moment, where the permanent magnet passes 
by at the toroidal
magnet, the ferrite core is momentary driven into saturation.
Because -obviously- the total magnetic field is not toroidal -in this magic 
moment-, the
saturation will not be toroidal.
The saturation will be strong where the magnetic field is strong. Obviously the 
magnetic field is
strongest near to the permanent magnet.
So, -in this magic moment- the ferrite core is saturated near to the permanent 
magnet and is less
saturated at the opposite side of the toroidal core.
Therefore -in this magic moment- we have a situation where the toroid looks 
like a toroid, but it
doesnt work like a toroid.
In this magic moment the toroid will act like an electro-horseshoe magnet. and 
we get a back-emf
for a short moment.

I think this is easy to understand and to debunk.
Im disappointed that Naudin apparently tries to support this rubbish instead 
debunking it and
this makes me very critical about his other experiments.

Can he be trusted? He supports and tries all kinds of obvious crap experiments.
Possibly he does it for money, creating faked overunity orgasms for his 
undisclosed customers.
Of course, I cannot accuse him that. Maybe he does it just for fun ;-)

Best,

Peter

Re: [Vo]:Dark matter may be an illusion caused by the quantum vacuum

[Ron Wormus]

This is the same hypothesis that the Brightsen model of the nucleus makes and proposes that there 
is dark matter bound in some nuclei.

Ron

--On Monday, August 15, 2011 8:49 AM -0400 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com 
wrote:


http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-dark-illusion-quantum-vacuum.html

(PhysOrg.com) -- One of the biggest unsolved problems in astrophysics
is that galaxies and galaxy clusters rotate faster than expected,
given the amount of existing baryonic (normal) matter. The fast orbits
require a larger central mass than the nearby stars, dust, and other
baryonic objects can provide, leading scientists to propose that every
galaxy resides in a halo of (as yet undetectable) dark matter made of
non-baryonic particles. As one of many scientists who have become
somewhat skeptical of dark matter, CERN physicist Dragan Slavkov
Hajdukovic has proposed that the illusion of dark matter may be caused
by the gravitational polarization of the quantum vacuum.


The key message of my paper is that dark matter may not exist and
that phenomena attributed to dark matter may be explained by the
gravitational polarization of the quantum vacuum, Hajdukovic told
PhysOrg.com. The future experiments and observations will reveal if
my results are only (surprising) numerical coincidences or an embryo
of a new scientific revolution.

Like his previous study featured on PhysOrg

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-big-quick-conversion-antimatter.html

 about a cyclic universe successively dominated by matter and
antimatter, Hajdukovic's paper on a dark matter alternative is also an
attempt to understand cosmological phenomena without assuming the
existence of unknown forms of matter and energy, or of unknown
mechanisms for inflation and matter-antimatter asymmetry. In the case
of the fast rotational curves of galaxies, he explains that there are
currently two schools of understanding the phenomenon.

The first school invokes the existence of dark matter, while the
second school invokes modification of our law of gravity, he said. I
suggest a third way, without introducing dark matter and without
modification of the law of gravity.

His ideas (like those in the previous paper) rest on the key
hypothesis that matter and antimatter are gravitationally repulsive,
which is due to the fact that particles and antiparticles have
gravitational charge of opposite sign. (Though like matter, antimatter
is gravitationally attractive with itself.) Currently, it is not known
whether matter and antimatter are gravitationally repulsive, although
a few experiments (most notably, the AEGIS experiment at CERN) are
testing related concepts.

Concerning gravity, mainstream physics assumes that there is only one
gravitational charge (identified with the inertial mass) while I have
assumed that, as in the case of electromagnetic interactions, there
are two gravitational charges: positive gravitational charge for
matter and negative gravitational charge for antimatter, Hajdukovic
explained.

end

[Vo]:A couple of interesting items from Science Daily

[Ron Wormus]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110405084252.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110516102331.htm

RE: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy

[Ron Wormus]

You may want to add the Brightsen model of antimatter clusters within the H 
nucleus.

--On Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:42 AM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net 
wrote:


The M.O. List

It could be helpful - to anyone approaching Ni-H from a the theoretical
perspective, to have a list of all possible gainful routes which are
either non-nuclear, new-nuclear, supra-chemical, or a hybrid. Your
submission will be appreciated.

Since many of these overlap, I will await completion of a more complete, or
better worded list - to arrange them in some kind of hierarchy.


1) Nickel-to-copper new-nuclear with little or no radioactivity. This
comes under 'new' because all known transmutations of nickel to copper at
the kW level would leave deadly levels of radioactivity.

2) H+H -- D new-nuclear comes under 'new' because all known fusion of
hydrogen to deuterium involve a positron, which is not seen.

3) WL ultra low momentum neutron. Clearly comes under 'new' but the lack of
predicted radioactivity makes it seem unlikely for Rossi.

4) Cavity QED only. Hydrogen enters Casimir cavity, gains energy from ZPE.
No ash.

5) Cavity QED with nuclear makeup. Essentially these two involve asymmetric
chemistry, the later leading to nuclear reaction which are stimulated by a
prior energy deficit, and thus have no residual radioactivity.

6) Mills' hydrino

7) Antenna for dark energy - hydrogen is changed (IRH), or contained, in
such a way in nanopores that it acts like an antenna for dark energy.

8) Antenna for neutrinos - hydrogen is changed or contained in such a way
that it acts like an antenna for neutrino interaction.

9) Ballotechnic. Inner orbital chemistry, with or without a nuclear nexus.

10)  your entries are needed

Jones

Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain

[Ron Wormus]

Robin,
I agree that if anti-matter has positive mass there can't be any in an H nucleus. But I'm not sure 
anti-matters mass is proven to be positive experimentally. If Mill's 5th force experiment is 
correct then gravitational mass doesn't equal inertial mass and all bets are off. If you search 
Anti-Hydrogen CERN is planning an experiment to test its action in a gravitational field.


In any case Brightsen's model is interesting for all of the other correct predictions it makes and 
may also offer a mechanism for the transmutation of Ni to Cu without the expected radioactivity.


If you are interested. His nephew, Robert Davic, sent me all of his published papers as pdf''s I 
would be happy to share them with you, as I don't have the background to really dig into them 
critically.

Ron



--On Friday, May 06, 2011 1:08 PM +1000 mix...@bigpond.com wrote:


In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Thu, 5 May 2011 09:55:57 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]

15) The Brightsen model of antimatter clusters within the H nucleus.


I have never given this much credence, because anti-matter has positive mass, so
his nuclei would weigh too much.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Magnetostriction and Cavitation ll

[Ron Wormus]

Fran,
I've been following you ideas for awhile but I don't see how they can apply to Rossi if you believe 
the Ni--- Cu claims which were supposedly verified by the Swedes.


At one time I was going to try a MAHG replication but it turned out that Naudin made obvious errors 
in his power measurements which he refused to correct. Is Naudin still active?  In any case it 
seems that it wouldn't be that hard to test your reaction scenario.

Ron

--On Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:19 AM -0400 Roarty, Francis X 
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:


Jones,
I agree with most of what you are saying even that we still dispute  the need 
to makeup
chemical energy released by catalytic disassociation. ZPE is absolutely based 
on a negative
potential but once you provide a method to rectify this energy (Heisenberg 
trap) it operates on
the absolute difference between two potentials which is positive energy. My 
point is that some
energy can be derived solely from ZPE and chemistry without the need for any 
nuclear reactions
and it could even be of a similar scale. I think this is what Moller and Naudin 
were pursuing
with the MAHG device. We have been programmed to accept that the ZPE in gas 
motion cannot be
exploited because we assumed gravity is isotropic but that changes in Cavity 
QED where we can
suddenly exploit differences in inertial frames without the need for near 
luminal velocity...in
fact what velocity there is to move the h1 and h2 between frames is provided 
gratis by the
constant motion of gas[ZPE]. If you add in the relativistic interpretation of 
Casimir effect
the frequency of these disassociations suddenly scales at an almost unlimited 
rate [terahertz
+] based on A/a^4 [plate area over separation^4] . That's why I was trying to 
find a form of the
time dilation formula[Gamma] already solving for force so I could make it 
directly equal to the
Casimir formula and get an idea for just how much acceleration and how 
dynamically it changes
inside the array of geometry created by real Casimir materials. Once the 
formulas for positive
changes in energy density [Gamma] seen in near luminal objects are related to 
negative changes
seen in nano geometry [Casimir] it becomes possible to solve in terms of each 
other's variables.
I think rapid changes in equivalent acceleration [jerk] occur due to Casimir 
geometry and are
responsible for the property we call catalytic disassociation. The time 
dilation would locally
mask the equivalent acceleration we calculate outside the cavity BUT the 
accumulating velocity
would rapidly sling shot the gas between an array of different inertial frames 
formed by the
tapestry where the gas momentum would keep finding itself in violent opposition 
to the changing
magnitude and vector of the negative acceleration [quantum blender]. I don't 
expect you to agree
but still argue it is a valid possibility. Regards

Fran


Jones Beene wrote on  Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:40 PM

[snip]To put this all into the average vortician's perspective, Fran and a few
others on vortex believe that the Casimir force and therefore ZPE are
intimately involved in both the Mills' reaction and in lattice assisted
nuclear fusion and in the Rossi effect. Nano is the key word. Or FRET
if you are a bit more sophisticated on the theoretical end.

That would be LANR, in contrast to LENR, but the two are essentially the
same animal from different perspectives. The zero point field can provide a
force which can provide net thermal energy under certain narrow conditions,
if at high repetition rate. But for the long term, the excess energy must be
replaced periodically by a nuclear process. The Mills' reaction can be
reconciled with this, if one accepts that he cuts short the progression
intentionally.

CANR or chemically assisted is another way of saying the same thing- that
valence electrons (i.e. chemistry) can influence nuclear reactions,
especially when there is cavity confinement so that interactions with
valence electrons are accelerated; and to the extent that the improbable
become probable due to the extreme number of sequential transactions
(terahertz).

The key to all of it is hydrogen going from molecular to atomic and back. H2
is tightly bound. A spillover catalyst breaks that bond catalytically and
actually extracts heat to do it. That is not in dispute. A net energy
asymmetry in this process is only possible when there is a nuclear process
which can provide the makeup. (That is the dispute) The best way that I
can verbalize the 'Rossi effect', but others have their own perspectives on
it - is that it is a hybrid ZPE/nuclear process.

[/snip]

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

[Ron Wormus]

So you don't believe the Ni is transmuted to Cu?
Ron

--On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:20 AM -0400 Jed Rothwell 
jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:




Rossi claims that the nickel will have to be changed out periodically, every 
six months or so. I
doubt it.


- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction / The used powder contains ten percent copper

[Ron Wormus]

Jones,
So what causes the electromigration? As far as I can see all he has in there are some resistive 
heaters.

Ron

--On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 6:15 AM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net 
wrote:




To be clear:



Yes the reaction is NOT chemical, but it is NOT the fusion of nickel and 
hydrogen.



1)The copper and iron are incidental, and come from electromigration.



2)The ash would be isotopically different otherwise, and radioactive.



3)Since it is not radioactive nor isotopically different, there is ZERO 
evidence of the
fusion of nickel and hydrogen.



Sherlock's default conclusion:



There is another kind of reaction, either new physics nuclear or ZPE or 
Millsean with not
deep shrinkage – no matter how improbable that may seem at first – which is 
responsible for
the excess heat.



Why? you ask: cannot the fusion of nickel and hydrogen be this same kind of 
new physics
nuclear?



Simple Watson, that involves two levels of new physics – not only a new 
non-radioactive
reaction, but one with improbably long odds of matching precisely a natural 
balance, which BTW is
probably a balance which is unique to our solar system. The odds of both 
happening are … shall
we say: astronomical?



If one wants to imagine the ludicrous proposition that some kind of new physics 
nuclear
reaction can be so lucky as to match exactly an isotopic primordial balance of 
isotopes in two
elements in one star out of trillions, be my guest …



J.







25 kilowatt hours is 80 megajoules. That is over ten times the energy of any 
diesel fuel at 50ml.

The energy prohibits a chemical source.







From: jone...@pacbell.net




-Original Message-
From: SHIRAKAWA Akira

Thank you for posting this but for the record, the conclusions of Kullander
are wrong. Not just wrong but irresponsible and foolish.

First he says:

Analyses of the nickel powder used in Rossi's energy catalyzer show that
a large amount of copper is formed.

The Facts: There is evidence of the presence of copper but that is all. If
it were formed by transmutation some of it should be radioactive. In fact
there is a mundane explanation for the presence of copper.

Sven Kullander considers this to be evidence of a nuclear reaction

For copper to be formed out of nickel, the nucleus of nickel has to
capture a proton. The fact that this possibly occurs in Rossi's reactor
is why the concept of cold fusion has been mentioned - it would consist
of fusion between nuclei of nickel and hydrogen.

The facts: Yes but if this were the case there would be a wide variation in
the balance of isotopes. Element and isotopic analysis showed that the
isotopic analysis through ICP-MS doesn't show any deviation from the natural

isotopic composition of nickel and copper.

The mistakes of Kullander are juvenile and silly. There is a mundane
explanation for both copper and iron so why invent a reaction that does not
exist?

Jones

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction / The used powder contains ten percent copper

[Ron Wormus]

Jones,
Yeah, I love that it looks like it could have been made in a garage of spare plumbing parts. It has 
a  much less sophisticated geometry than I expected too; seems too simple even compared to the MAHG 
I started to replicate (it also had a copper vessel).


Keeps life interesting; you are a much better speculator than I.
Ron

--On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:55 AM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net 
wrote:


-Original Message-
From: Ron Wormus


So what causes the electromigration? As far as I can see all he has in there 
are some
resistive  heaters.



Ron - Possibly it could be related to either low level magnetic fields or emf 
associated with the
heaters, or else galvanic corrosion between the iron and copper. Some of those 
fittings look like
cast iron. A cooper tube may actually run through the reactor itself - so there 
are many
possibilities.

Wow, gotta luv that the Rossi apparatus does work - apparently - but doesn't it 
just scream
cheap? Off the rack at K-Mart cheap...

Actually, that is one of the real beauties of it - to my warped mentality - 
getting the job done
adequately with the least investment.

And if he had used expensive stainless vacuum high-grade physics lab gear? - 
guess what, sport
fans - It probably would not have worked !

Seriously, I would be willing to bet that the copper migration is what makes it 
work. No kidding.

I cannot explain this stunning revelation now - until I get permission to forward 
the defining
paper which tells-the-tale - but as of now, it appears that the case has been 
cracked, so to
speak, and Pandora's secret is oozing out ...

Clue: no, it's not the Colonel Mustard with the lead pipe - but the paper's 
lead researcher is a
Polish alloy expert named Romanowski, and you want to look at Fig 9 on page 8 
...

Stay tuned,

Jones

RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction / The used powder contains ten percent copper

[Ron Wormus]

The write up says: the reaction chamber is made of stainless steel so I would assume that the 
water flows around the outside of it.

Ron

--On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:17 PM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net 
wrote:


It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the reactor.
This would likely be a copper pipe along the axis, surrounded by the nickel
powder. Copper ions would immediately start to migrate when heat was applied
to the outside of the reactor. Did you enlarge the pictures? There is lots
of detail. The water has to go through the reactor, and the simplest way is
a Cu pipe down the axis. Why is that problematic?

The conditioning time could be a day or two - and this would be needed
anyway. Arata, Kitamura, Takahashi all talk about conditioning the powder.

Of course, Rossi might be trying to disguise the fact that he is 'seeding'
the nickel from the start, in addition.



-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton


IN SHORT - the migratory copper itself appears to be the secret

catalyst,

but only after it alloys with the nickel to form this super catalytic

alloy

- which almost splits the hydrogen molecule on contact. Unbelievable !


Well, then, it can't be migratory unless Rossi conditions each ECat
for a period of time to allow enough Cu to migrate into the reactor.
So, the other explanation is he dopes the Ni with Cu, again not
migratory.

T

[Vo]:Carbon free Gasoline

[Ron Wormus]

Not to take anything away from the Rossi discussion but this sounds pretty 
interesting too.

http://www.gizmag.com/breakthrough-promises-150-per-gallon-synthetic-gasoline-with-no-carbon-emissions/17687/

Like Rossi not much real info here either.
Ron

Re: [Vo]:Downwind Faster than the Wind (DWFTTW)

[Ron Wormus]

Here is a pretty good description of how it works:

http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2008/12/the_real_bozo_attempts_to_aton.php
Ron

--On Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:12 PM -0400 Lawrence de Bivort 
debiv...@evolutionaryservices.org wrote:



Sailboats vary enormously in terms of their favored point of sailing.  I would 
guess that most
sailboats do best with the wind on their beam (90 deg.)  My boat is best on 
that point, and I can
also sail into the wind to about 28 degrees without pinching, which is 
exceptionally.  Downwind
is slow for me, so I often tack downwind, keeping main and gennie filled.

I wonder what race committees will say when a sailor shows up with this rig. 
Thinking of John's
explanation, though, I suppose it will not work as there won't be any torque 
transmission from
the wheels to the prop.

Right, John?

Cheers,
Lawry


On Sep 22, 2010, at 1:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:


From John Fields,

...


Note that with the wind pushing the cart and the pitch of
the propeller as shown, the wind would, intuitively, be
forcing the propeller to rotate counter-clockwise as
viewed from the rear of the cart.

However, such is not the case.

What's really happening is that the wind is pushing on
the prop, forcing the cart to move forward, and the torque
generated by the wheels is coupled to the prop in such a
way as to cause the prop to rotate clockwise when viewed
from the rear.

This direction of rotation makes the prop a pusher,
and will increase the apparent force of the wind.

As long as the wind is blowing from the rear, the cart
will accelerate until it reaches wind speed, when the
wind speed will effectively be zero.

However, because of the prop's action as a pusher, the
cart will be going a little faster than wind speed, at
wind speed.  Then, as soon as the prop feels the
headwind it'll stop being a propeller and will become
a turbine, driving the wheels and accelerating into the
headwind until, eventually, everything settles out and
the cart reaches its speed limit.


Well, I'll be keelhauled! Thanks for the clarification John.

My previous suggestion of using a control vehicle fitted with a
Viking-like sale is woefully inappropriate. It would be more accurate
to describe this vehicle's prop as TACKING through the wind. As most
sailors know, a sailboat tends to sail the fastest when sailing at an
angle of around 45 degrees INTO THE WIND. (I think maximum dynamics is
approx 45 degrees into the wind. Feel free to correct me on that
point, maitees.) The point being: Sailing closer into the wind seems
counter intuitive but it's the truth - insofar as sailboats are
concerned.

I can see it now. Sailors take note! This opens up a whole new
dimension to regatta races. You heard it here first!

Where's my parrot.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Article on concentrating solar power (solar thermal)

[Ron Wormus]

Along these lines this looks very promising:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100802101813.htm
Ron

--On Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:56 AM -0400 Jed Rothwell 
jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:


See:


http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2010/07/concentrating-solar-power-builds-up-
heat


The table has an interesting comparison of the land use for solar thermal 
versus PV, comparing
two systems both in Riverside, CA:


350 MW PV, 2844 ha
986 MW trough solar thermal, 2091 ha


- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Liquid Glass

[Ron Wormus]

Jones,
That would be an interesting project. More than one layer would be needed though  I don't know how 
accurately you could align the sheet for multiple passes. I think we will see some of the 
commercial panels drop in price.


In our local paper just this last week was an article on leasing a 10KW array for 20 yrs for just 
over $100 a month that included installation  maintenance. That is less than my current 
electricity utility bill so I am going to look into it. I am not sure I have enough roof space 
though.


What I really need is a heater! Its been an unusually cold winter on the CO front range this year  
my gas bills crazy high just to keep this old place around 60 degrees.

Ron

--On Tuesday, February 09, 2010 7:51 AM -0800 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net 
wrote:


Ron,

You have to wonder - with liquid glass and a commercial laser engraver
(etcher) which is similar to an ink jet printer -

http://www.epiloglaser.com/product_line.htm

and some imagination and metal-coated film, if one could not etch the
circuits with the printer, then coat this film with the glass, and thereby
make a large and fairly efficient homemade nano-solar thin film photocell
array...

Jones

-Original Message-
From: Ron Wormus

This sounds very cool.
http://www.physorg.com/news184310039.html
Ron

[Vo]:Liquid Glass

[Ron Wormus]

This sounds very cool.
http://www.physorg.com/news184310039.html
Ron

[Vo]:OT: Change Metal Surface to Reflct any Color (Not plating or Paint)

[Ron Wormus]

Not energy related but very cool physics.

http://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=3106

[Vo]:Test

[Ron Wormus]

Is Vortex List alive?

Re: correction /Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current

[Ron Wormus]

This link is for Harry;

Physicists Measure Elusive 'Persistent Current' That Flows Forever

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091011071349.htm

Doesn't sound like anything is ever going to be powered by it.
Ron

--On Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:28 AM +1100 mix...@bigpond.com wrote:


In reply to  Harry Veeder's message of Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:35:43 -0400:
Hi,

Ok, I guess it is necessary to distinguish between a capacitor, a
battery and an EMF.  Both a battery and a capacitor can produce a
current for a _limited_ period of time, whereas an EMF can produce a
current for an _unlimited_ period of time.


There ain't no sich animal. Nothing runs forever. The universe is a big battery,
and it's running down. You can only maintain an EMF at a constant level, when
current is flowing in a resistive circuit, by supplying energy. IOW you have to
pump the electrons from the low voltage side back to the high voltage side.
This is usually done with a changing magnetic field (i.e. a generator or
dynamo), which once again introduces a step in the voltage going around the
circuit. You can picture the voltage at each point as single rotation of a helix
with a vertical axis with the begin and end points joined by a straight vertical
line. That vertical line is where the energy is added. Energy is lost to
resistance as the current runs around the helix.



With that in mind, let me refine the question. Can a current which runs
indefinitely (and does not occur in a superconductor) be explained
consistently only with the concept of an electric field?

[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:Tesla'sWardenclyffe-GusherMegaSuccess

[Ron Wormus]

Here is a German professor's website  who is currently doing Tesla like 
experiments.

http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=80_Meylpage=1sublevel=0

I haven't had a chance to give it a through read.
Ron

--On Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:25 PM -0800 Horace Heffner 
hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:


Note - URLS below have spaces and asterisks inserted because my ISP blocks my 
sending references
to them, assuming I am sending spam. The tinyurls work.


On Sep 26, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Jack O Suileabhain wrote:


  John Hutchison of British Columbia approached fractionally
Tesla's results and was immediately shut-down and relieved of his
research data  equipment by a joint contingent of Canadian 
United States goverment's 'officials.'  This is simple factual
history.


John Hutchison is an amateur extraordinaire. It is easy to see why he might be 
evicted given the
extent of the equipment he kept and used in his *apartment*.  See:

http://gu * ns.con *  nect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/John/

http://tinyurl.com/mrfzub


Must have made the neighbors uneasy!  That said, the response by authorities 
was wholly
inappropriate, to say the least.  And his stuff was taken on more than one 
occasion. For more on
the latest invasion see:


http://www.g * eocit *  ies.com/ResearchTriangle/Thinktank/8863/index.html

http://tinyurl.com/yefmpb8


This has been a topic of discussion here.  Consider:


On Mar 18, 2000, at 7:21 PM, William Beaty wrote:

( ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) 
)
William J. Beaty  SCIENCE HOBBYIST
website
bi...@eskimo.com  http://
www.amasci.com
EE/programmer/sci-exhibits  science projects, tesla, weird
science
Seattle, WA   206-781-3320  freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L
webhead-L


http://www.g * eocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Thinktank/8863/index.html

John Hutchison Raided At Gunpoint
By Canadian Police

Reporting From Shreveport, Louisiana
UNITED STATES

 Word has been received this morning, Saturday, 18 March 2000,
that
John Hutchison has been raided at gunpoint by Canadian Police.

 John's apartment in New Westminster, British Columbia, was
raided at
2 PM Friday, 17 March 2000, by gun-wielding police searching for
firearms.
An antique gun collection owned by Hutchison was confiscated in its
entireity.

 According to Hutchison, a phone call was received at about 2 PM
Friday, stating that it was the police, and asking John to answer his
door.  Hutchison states that there were 8 to 10 individuals pointing
weapons at him, only two or three of whom were in uniform. The rest
were
dressed in dark clothing.

 Hutchison was handcuffed and placed on the outside steps while
police
searched the apartment.  No warrant was claimed or shown at any time.
Police stated only that there had been an anonymous complaint that
firearms were being brought into the apartment.

 Police also called in an electrical inspector to examine
John's lab
equipment.  This is the famous Hutchison apparatus with which John
produces the renowned Hutchison Effect.

 Additional individuals dressed in suits were brought in who took
extensive photographs of the Hutchison apparatus.  Hutchison indicates
that these persons had an official air about them, and that they
might
be Government agents, especially given the confiscation of the
original
Hutchison lab, which took place while John was out of the country
in 1990.
None of these persons showed any identification.

 Those who have followed John's career of invention and innovation
will recall that his first laboratory was forcibly seized by the
Canadian
Government on 24 February 1990 by the direct order of former Canadian
Prime Minister Brian Mulruney.  The Government has retained the lab in
spite of a court order by Judge Paris of the Supreme Court of British
Columbia to return it.

 A previous raid on John Hutchison's apartment involving his
collection of antique firearms occured in 1978, and processing took
two
years.  The confiscated antiques were returned at the order of Judge
Paris.  These events occured under the administration of former PM Joe
Clark.

 The present raid follows close on the heels of a recent
successful
levitation performed 11 October 1999 which was videotaped by John.
The
effect was achieved after six days worth of attempts.

 However, neighbors called local police to complain about
Hutchison's
experiment.  It is unclear whether something in their apartment
levitated,
although there is no other way known at this time that they could have
been aware of the levitation experiment that was in progress.  The
neighbors in question live across the street from Hutchison.

 The sound of approaching sirens was recorded on the video
soundtrack
of Hutchison's camcorder during the experiment, and video of some
emergency vehicles and personnel was obtained.

 Further updates on the situation will be posted promptly on 

Re: [Vo]:Shocking !

[Ron Wormus]

These guys have had a lot of press in the northern CO area. The CEO used to run a local robot 
company that he sold.

Ron

--On Monday, August 10, 2009 2:39 PM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net 
wrote:



Forget getting Zapped by EEStor, etc. This one is more shocking in a number of 
ways –

http://engineeringtv.com/blogs/etv/archive/2009/07/07/lightning-hybrids-hydraulic-drivetrain-part
-1.aspx


yes - it is a hybrid BUT it does NOT use advanced batteries. Instead it uses 
hydraulics for
energy storage. And it is a double hybrid since the small diesel is to be 
fueled by biodiesel.
Carbon neutral.

And especially notable, it excels in energy-recovery from braking - where even 
the Prius and
every other hybrid is weak- like 30% or so. This gets back almost triple that. 
Also the mileage
is double the Prius, and the carbon footprint is lower than any PHEV (without 
the shenanigans of
battery packs that require lots of carbon to recharge,  on average due to 
battery and line
losses). Shocking indeed - they don't call it 'lightning' for nutin' ;-)

Also, here is the aesthetic flash - its beauty, low drag, light weight and 
drivetrain logic
almost strike one down, so to speak, once you get over the novelty of the 
different approach they
are taking. How could Detroit have missed this? That was rhetorical. Detroit 
misses everything,
almost. But how could California have missed it? Forget the Tesla with its 
sticker shock - this
one has both beauty and brains without the big-bucks. … saving $30,000 on the 
lack of a battery
pack alone.

…  nearly 100 mpg is available without batteries - making one  wonder if all 
the emphasis by
DoE on battery hybrids is not totally misplaced.

Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview

[Ron Wormus]

Actually I think this is what Frank Znidarsic  has been trying to get at with his electromagnetic 
Bose condensate convergence of the motion constants ideas but he has a very opaque method of 
explanation.

Ron

--On Friday, April 17, 2009 3:49 PM -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com 
wrote:


OrionWorks wrote:


 It is a bla, bla, bla conventional explanation of cold fusion. Then at 1:10
 (timestamp from the end of the video) it says the deuterons begin to move
 more collectively, like a school of fish and it gets interesting.

 I am not sure what this refers to. Perhaps the Chubb theory?

I believe I've seen this video before, or at least a variation of it.

What does Chubb's theory entail?


Honestly, God only knows -- that level of physics is far over my head -- but it 
sounds a bit like
a school of fish to me.

It involves a bunch of deuterons with overlapping wave functions, which lose 
their identity and
begin acting as one, sort of like people joining the Hare Krishna cult (or 
religion if it is tax
deductible). The heat is dispersed over millions of deuterons instead of 
originating at a single
location which is why it does not produce a sharp 24 MeV jolt in a single 
particle.

For more information, see Scott  Talbot Chubb's papers.

- Jed

[Vo]:Science News: 'Cold Fusion' Rebirth? New Evidence For Existence Of Controversial Energy Source

[Ron Wormus]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090323110450.htm

[Vo]:Garage Inventor turns Forest Slash to Fertilizer

[Ron Wormus]

http://smallwoodnews.com/Forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3183

[Vo]:Tublar Rail

[Ron Wormus]

A Low cost rail idea that looks pretty good to me.

http://www.tubularrail.com/

Re: [Vo]:More from Lewis Larsen

[Ron Wormus]

Here's another one: The Fascination of Extreme Science

http://www.makezine.com/extras/12.html

He visits Ed Storms  mentions Jed.
Ron

--On Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:09 AM -0800 Jones Beene 
jone...@pacbell.net wrote:




http://www.i-sis.org.uk/LENRsReplacingCoal.php

... sounding a bit like Jed's book...

Re: [Vo]:BLP announces 2nd Commercial license

[Ron Wormus]

Lots of REA's own  operate their own power plants. For example our local 
provider:
http://www.prpa.com/
Ron

--On Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:52 AM -0600 OrionWorks 
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:


Could we get a clarification on a particular matter:


From Mike Carrell:



... BLP would like to have water-fueld power units on line in a
commercial setting in the near future.


and


... These cooperatives are
entrepreneural and make thier own rules to a large extent.
They buy power from established utilities and distribute it to
members of the cooperative. A first-generation BLP power unit
of any significant capacity can be hooked into the local
system at low risk and a decrease in the outside power bought.


I infer from Mike's comment that these obscure rural cooperatives will
attempt to construct their own modest power generating prototype,
presumably for analysis and POC, initially. Do these rural
cooperatives possess sufficient experience in building their own power
generators? The reason I ask this is due to the fact that Mike also
states these cooperatives ...buy power from established utilities and
distribute it to members of the cooperative. That suggests to me that
these companies are more in the business of purchasing  packaging
power generated from other companies as compared to generating their
own power. Did I misunderstand the capabilities of these rural
cooperatives?

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Where is the Mills discussion group? And CMNS?

[Ron Wormus]

There were posts on SCQM as recently as a week ago  the moderator said he was going to be away for 
the holidays so I believe it is still a working forum.

Ron

--On Friday, December 26, 2008 2:30 PM -0500 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Randell's yahoo group, SCQM, no longer exists.

I am not aware of a condensed matter group on either yahoo or google.

Terry

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

Where is the sign-up information for the Mills discussion group? Someone
asked me this. I do not know, and I am not interested in joining, but I
would like to have this information on file. I do not even know the name of
it . . .

Also, how  where do you sign up for the CMNS group? The messages say they
are from c...@googlegroups.com but I do not find anything about it at
Google.

- Jed