Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[James Bowery]

First of all, the pop quiz, consisting of a single question, was not
answered.  Guaranteed F right there.

Secondly, its touching that a few numbers were
offeredas an
appearance of a start to a counter-argument to the hamburger helper
hypothesis, however they were buried in verbiage that did very little, and
zero arithmetic to advance that argument.  In the words of the Late Great
John McCarthy:  He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

You get an F+

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Just trying to get my grade up at the unaccredited Bowery U, I have placed
> an explanation on my blog on how a massive collapsed matter particle from a
> CME can achieve and maintain orbit through and around the Earth.  If you
> have 5 minutes it is on my blog
>
> Stewart
> darkmattersalot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
>> The other thing to note is the particle is in a decaying Earth orbit, not
>> your silly ass Wolfram 1st grade example.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 19, 2012, James Bowery wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sorry, that answer is only a little better than "Its in the library
>>> somewhere."
>>>
>>> You get an F.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:53 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>> Read my blog
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 19, 2012, James Bowery wrote:
>>>
>>> Pop quiz!
>>>
>>> Kepler is famous for having solved calculus derivation of minima and
>>> maxima of a curve when presented with the challenge of finding the optimum
>>> shape for a barrel of dill pickles to go with the tasty char broiled
>>> hamburgers that history now recognizes as the inspiration for flavour in
>>> physics.
>>>
>>> Kepler is also famous for having found the closed form solution to the
>>> two body orbital problem where the mass and velocities of two co-orbiting
>>> bodies is known.
>>>
>>> Given the mass of the earth and the purported orbital speed of the
>>> gremlin of thousands of kilometers per second, what is the minimum mass of
>>> a gremlin that can result in a maximal orbital velocity of just 1000
>>> kilometers per second?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>> Notice Woflram does not show you the particle mass.  Orbits depend on
>>> more than just velocity.  Also notice that the research does not place a
>>> lower limit on mass:
>>>
>>> "If the WIMP is heavy even with optimistic assumptions and large
>>> exposures
>>> it will only be possible to place a lower limit on its mass"
>>>
>>> Also notice that two body Kepler orbits do not necessarily orbit around
>>> the center of mass of either object they orbit a barycenter, which may
>>> place their orbit above and below the surface of matter that they weakly
>>> interact with.
>>>
>>> Also notice that if a good portion of your orbit is through a mass that
>>> you interact gravitationally with it will attempt to lock you in as opposed
>>> to an orbiting satellite in space.  Just like the moving ocean mass will
>>> attempt to steer you gravitationally.
>>>
>>> Also notice that your hamburger just disappeared thru beta decay while
>>> you were not watching and listening to me.
>>>
>>> Stewart
>>> darkmattersalot.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery wrote:
>>>
>>> My, Goodness!
>>>
>>> You'd better get over there to Wolfram's model of WIMP Orbiting Inside
>>> Earth
>>>
>>> http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/WIMPOrbitingInsideEarth/
>>>
>>> And tell them to fix their units labeling.  If one were a hamburger
>>> helper physicist, one might be led to believe that the speed unit was m/s
>>> rather than km/s!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>> Stick to cooking hamburgers.  You make much more sense in your field of
>>> knowledge
>>>
>>> local WIMP speed distribution is known (Maxwellian with vc=220 km/s)
>>> http://conferences.fnal.gov/dmwksp/Talks/AGreen.pdf
>>>
>>> fits great with my orbital model speed and mass of a massive collapsed
>>> particle
>>>
>>> I have supplied plenty of predictions as to location and detection for
>>> you/others to prove me wrong. I have also supplied plenty of observations
>>> that fit.  I suggest you camp out near an actively growing sinkhole and
>>> cook your hamburgers on your beta decay grill.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, James Bowery wrote:
>>>
>>> iYes, of course!  The weak interaction, which essentially disappears at
>>> a distance of around 10^-17m, provides many orders of magnitude greater
>>> force than does gravitation at scales of 10^3m.  This is why a gremlin
>>> travelling at speeds orders of magnitude above escape
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[ChemE Stewart]

Jim,

Just trying to get my grade up at the unaccredited Bowery U, I have placed
an explanation on my blog on how a massive collapsed matter particle from a
CME can achieve and maintain orbit through and around the Earth.  If you
have 5 minutes it is on my blog

Stewart
darkmattersalot.com





On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> The other thing to note is the particle is in a decaying Earth orbit, not
> your silly ass Wolfram 1st grade example.
>
>
> On Monday, November 19, 2012, James Bowery wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry, that answer is only a little better than "Its in the library
>> somewhere."
>>
>> You get an F.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:53 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>
>> Read my blog
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 19, 2012, James Bowery wrote:
>>
>> Pop quiz!
>>
>> Kepler is famous for having solved calculus derivation of minima and
>> maxima of a curve when presented with the challenge of finding the optimum
>> shape for a barrel of dill pickles to go with the tasty char broiled
>> hamburgers that history now recognizes as the inspiration for flavour in
>> physics.
>>
>> Kepler is also famous for having found the closed form solution to the
>> two body orbital problem where the mass and velocities of two co-orbiting
>> bodies is known.
>>
>> Given the mass of the earth and the purported orbital speed of the
>> gremlin of thousands of kilometers per second, what is the minimum mass of
>> a gremlin that can result in a maximal orbital velocity of just 1000
>> kilometers per second?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>
>> Notice Woflram does not show you the particle mass.  Orbits depend on
>> more than just velocity.  Also notice that the research does not place a
>> lower limit on mass:
>>
>> "If the WIMP is heavy even with optimistic assumptions and large exposures
>> it will only be possible to place a lower limit on its mass"
>>
>> Also notice that two body Kepler orbits do not necessarily orbit around
>> the center of mass of either object they orbit a barycenter, which may
>> place their orbit above and below the surface of matter that they weakly
>> interact with.
>>
>> Also notice that if a good portion of your orbit is through a mass that
>> you interact gravitationally with it will attempt to lock you in as opposed
>> to an orbiting satellite in space.  Just like the moving ocean mass will
>> attempt to steer you gravitationally.
>>
>> Also notice that your hamburger just disappeared thru beta decay while
>> you were not watching and listening to me.
>>
>> Stewart
>> darkmattersalot.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>>
>> My, Goodness!
>>
>> You'd better get over there to Wolfram's model of WIMP Orbiting Inside
>> Earth
>>
>> http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/WIMPOrbitingInsideEarth/
>>
>> And tell them to fix their units labeling.  If one were a hamburger
>> helper physicist, one might be led to believe that the speed unit was m/s
>> rather than km/s!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>
>> Stick to cooking hamburgers.  You make much more sense in your field of
>> knowledge
>>
>> local WIMP speed distribution is known (Maxwellian with vc=220 km/s)
>> http://conferences.fnal.gov/dmwksp/Talks/AGreen.pdf
>>
>> fits great with my orbital model speed and mass of a massive collapsed
>> particle
>>
>> I have supplied plenty of predictions as to location and detection for
>> you/others to prove me wrong. I have also supplied plenty of observations
>> that fit.  I suggest you camp out near an actively growing sinkhole and
>> cook your hamburgers on your beta decay grill.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, James Bowery wrote:
>>
>> iYes, of course!  The weak interaction, which essentially disappears at a
>> distance of around 10^-17m, provides many orders of magnitude greater force
>> than does gravitation at scales of 10^3m.  This is why a gremlin travelling
>> at speeds orders of magnitude above escape
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[ChemE Stewart]

The other thing to note is the particle is in a decaying Earth orbit, not
your silly ass Wolfram 1st grade example.


On Monday, November 19, 2012, James Bowery wrote:

> I'm sorry, that answer is only a little better than "Its in the library
> somewhere."
>
> You get an F.
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:53 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
> Read my blog
>
>
> On Monday, November 19, 2012, James Bowery wrote:
>
> Pop quiz!
>
> Kepler is famous for having solved calculus derivation of minima and
> maxima of a curve when presented with the challenge of finding the optimum
> shape for a barrel of dill pickles to go with the tasty char broiled
> hamburgers that history now recognizes as the inspiration for flavour in
> physics.
>
> Kepler is also famous for having found the closed form solution to the two
> body orbital problem where the mass and velocities of two co-orbiting
> bodies is known.
>
> Given the mass of the earth and the purported orbital speed of the gremlin
> of thousands of kilometers per second, what is the minimum mass of a
> gremlin that can result in a maximal orbital velocity of just 1000
> kilometers per second?
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>
> Notice Woflram does not show you the particle mass.  Orbits depend on more
> than just velocity.  Also notice that the research does not place a lower
> limit on mass:
>
> "If the WIMP is heavy even with optimistic assumptions and large exposures
> it will only be possible to place a lower limit on its mass"
>
> Also notice that two body Kepler orbits do not necessarily orbit around
> the center of mass of either object they orbit a barycenter, which may
> place their orbit above and below the surface of matter that they weakly
> interact with.
>
> Also notice that if a good portion of your orbit is through a mass that
> you interact gravitationally with it will attempt to lock you in as opposed
> to an orbiting satellite in space.  Just like the moving ocean mass will
> attempt to steer you gravitationally.
>
> Also notice that your hamburger just disappeared thru beta decay while you
> were not watching and listening to me.
>
> Stewart
> darkmattersalot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
> My, Goodness!
>
> You'd better get over there to Wolfram's model of WIMP Orbiting Inside
> Earth
>
> http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/WIMPOrbitingInsideEarth/
>
> And tell them to fix their units labeling.  If one were a hamburger helper
> physicist, one might be led to believe that the speed unit was m/s rather
> than km/s!
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>
> Stick to cooking hamburgers.  You make much more sense in your field of
> knowledge
>
> local WIMP speed distribution is known (Maxwellian with vc=220 km/s)
> http://conferences.fnal.gov/dmwksp/Talks/AGreen.pdf
>
> fits great with my orbital model speed and mass of a massive collapsed
> particle
>
> I have supplied plenty of predictions as to location and detection for
> you/others to prove me wrong. I have also supplied plenty of observations
> that fit.  I suggest you camp out near an actively growing sinkhole and
> cook your hamburgers on your beta decay grill.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
> iYes, of course!  The weak interaction, which essentially disappears at a
> distance of around 10^-17m, provides many orders of magnitude greater force
> than does gravitation at scales of 10^3m.  This is why a gremlin travelling
> at speeds orders of magnitude above escape
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[James Bowery]

I'm sorry, that answer is only a little better than "Its in the library
somewhere."

You get an F.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:53 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> Read my blog
>
>
> On Monday, November 19, 2012, James Bowery wrote:
>
>> Pop quiz!
>>
>> Kepler is famous for having solved calculus derivation of minima and
>> maxima of a curve when presented with the challenge of finding the optimum
>> shape for a barrel of dill pickles to go with the tasty char broiled
>> hamburgers that history now recognizes as the inspiration for flavour in
>> physics.
>>
>> Kepler is also famous for having found the closed form solution to the
>> two body orbital problem where the mass and velocities of two co-orbiting
>> bodies is known.
>>
>> Given the mass of the earth and the purported orbital speed of the
>> gremlin of thousands of kilometers per second, what is the minimum mass of
>> a gremlin that can result in a maximal orbital velocity of just 1000
>> kilometers per second?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>
>> Notice Woflram does not show you the particle mass.  Orbits depend on
>> more than just velocity.  Also notice that the research does not place a
>> lower limit on mass:
>>
>> "If the WIMP is heavy even with optimistic assumptions and large exposures
>> it will only be possible to place a lower limit on its mass"
>>
>> Also notice that two body Kepler orbits do not necessarily orbit around
>> the center of mass of either object they orbit a barycenter, which may
>> place their orbit above and below the surface of matter that they weakly
>> interact with.
>>
>> Also notice that if a good portion of your orbit is through a mass that
>> you interact gravitationally with it will attempt to lock you in as opposed
>> to an orbiting satellite in space.  Just like the moving ocean mass will
>> attempt to steer you gravitationally.
>>
>> Also notice that your hamburger just disappeared thru beta decay while
>> you were not watching and listening to me.
>>
>> Stewart
>> darkmattersalot.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>>
>> My, Goodness!
>>
>> You'd better get over there to Wolfram's model of WIMP Orbiting Inside
>> Earth
>>
>> http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/WIMPOrbitingInsideEarth/
>>
>> And tell them to fix their units labeling.  If one were a hamburger
>> helper physicist, one might be led to believe that the speed unit was m/s
>> rather than km/s!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>
>> Stick to cooking hamburgers.  You make much more sense in your field of
>> knowledge
>>
>> local WIMP speed distribution is known (Maxwellian with vc=220 km/s)
>> http://conferences.fnal.gov/dmwksp/Talks/AGreen.pdf
>>
>> fits great with my orbital model speed and mass of a massive collapsed
>> particle
>>
>> I have supplied plenty of predictions as to location and detection for
>> you/others to prove me wrong. I have also supplied plenty of observations
>> that fit.  I suggest you camp out near an actively growing sinkhole and
>> cook your hamburgers on your beta decay grill.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, James Bowery wrote:
>>
>> iYes, of course!  The weak interaction, which essentially disappears at a
>> distance of around 10^-17m, provides many orders of magnitude greater force
>> than does gravitation at scales of 10^3m.  This is why a gremlin travelling
>> at speeds orders of magnitude above escape velocity, is able to avoid
>> escape from the earth as it orbits through the earth.  It also explains why
>> this "Kepler orbit" of the gremlin is locked to the rotation of the earth
>> so as to keep the geographic intersection points to the surface of the
>> earth effects more or less constant.  No other orbital system but
>> geostationary orbit is so locked to the rotation of the earth because those
>> orbits are more than 10^-17m from earth and therefore cannot enjoy the
>> sizzling juicy smoked flavor, dare I say "charm" of hamburger that has
>> benefitted from helpers such fermionic fiesta cheese sauce.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:46 PM, ChemE Stewart <
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[ChemE Stewart]

Read my blog

On Monday, November 19, 2012, James Bowery wrote:

> Pop quiz!
>
> Kepler is famous for having solved calculus derivation of minima and
> maxima of a curve when presented with the challenge of finding the optimum
> shape for a barrel of dill pickles to go with the tasty char broiled
> hamburgers that history now recognizes as the inspiration for flavour in
> physics.
>
> Kepler is also famous for having found the closed form solution to the two
> body orbital problem where the mass and velocities of two co-orbiting
> bodies is known.
>
> Given the mass of the earth and the purported orbital speed of the gremlin
> of thousands of kilometers per second, what is the minimum mass of a
> gremlin that can result in a maximal orbital velocity of just 1000
> kilometers per second?
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>
> Notice Woflram does not show you the particle mass.  Orbits depend on more
> than just velocity.  Also notice that the research does not place a lower
> limit on mass:
>
> "If the WIMP is heavy even with optimistic assumptions and large exposures
> it will only be possible to place a lower limit on its mass"
>
> Also notice that two body Kepler orbits do not necessarily orbit around
> the center of mass of either object they orbit a barycenter, which may
> place their orbit above and below the surface of matter that they weakly
> interact with.
>
> Also notice that if a good portion of your orbit is through a mass that
> you interact gravitationally with it will attempt to lock you in as opposed
> to an orbiting satellite in space.  Just like the moving ocean mass will
> attempt to steer you gravitationally.
>
> Also notice that your hamburger just disappeared thru beta decay while you
> were not watching and listening to me.
>
> Stewart
> darkmattersalot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
> My, Goodness!
>
> You'd better get over there to Wolfram's model of WIMP Orbiting Inside
> Earth
>
> http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/WIMPOrbitingInsideEarth/
>
> And tell them to fix their units labeling.  If one were a hamburger helper
> physicist, one might be led to believe that the speed unit was m/s rather
> than km/s!
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>
> Stick to cooking hamburgers.  You make much more sense in your field of
> knowledge
>
> local WIMP speed distribution is known (Maxwellian with vc=220 km/s)
> http://conferences.fnal.gov/dmwksp/Talks/AGreen.pdf
>
> fits great with my orbital model speed and mass of a massive collapsed
> particle
>
> I have supplied plenty of predictions as to location and detection for
> you/others to prove me wrong. I have also supplied plenty of observations
> that fit.  I suggest you camp out near an actively growing sinkhole and
> cook your hamburgers on your beta decay grill.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
> iYes, of course!  The weak interaction, which essentially disappears at a
> distance of around 10^-17m, provides many orders of magnitude greater force
> than does gravitation at scales of 10^3m.  This is why a gremlin travelling
> at speeds orders of magnitude above escape velocity, is able to avoid
> escape from the earth as it orbits through the earth.  It also explains why
> this "Kepler orbit" of the gremlin is locked to the rotation of the earth
> so as to keep the geographic intersection points to the surface of the
> earth effects more or less constant.  No other orbital system but
> geostationary orbit is so locked to the rotation of the earth because those
> orbits are more than 10^-17m from earth and therefore cannot enjoy the
> sizzling juicy smoked flavor, dare I say "charm" of hamburger that has
> benefitted from helpers such fermionic fiesta cheese sauce.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:46 PM, ChemE Stewart <
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[James Bowery]

Pop quiz!

Kepler is famous for having solved calculus derivation of minima and maxima
of a curve when presented with the challenge of finding the optimum shape
for a barrel of dill pickles to go with the tasty char broiled hamburgers
that history now recognizes as the inspiration for flavour in physics.

Kepler is also famous for having found the closed form solution to the two
body orbital problem where the mass and velocities of two co-orbiting
bodies is known.

Given the mass of the earth and the purported orbital speed of the gremlin
of thousands of kilometers per second, what is the minimum mass of a
gremlin that can result in a maximal orbital velocity of just 1000
kilometers per second?

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> Notice Woflram does not show you the particle mass.  Orbits depend on more
> than just velocity.  Also notice that the research does not place a lower
> limit on mass:
>
> "If the WIMP is heavy even with optimistic assumptions and large exposures
> it will only be possible to place a lower limit on its mass"
>
> Also notice that two body Kepler orbits do not necessarily orbit around
> the center of mass of either object they orbit a barycenter, which may
> place their orbit above and below the surface of matter that they weakly
> interact with.
>
> Also notice that if a good portion of your orbit is through a mass that
> you interact gravitationally with it will attempt to lock you in as opposed
> to an orbiting satellite in space.  Just like the moving ocean mass will
> attempt to steer you gravitationally.
>
> Also notice that your hamburger just disappeared thru beta decay while you
> were not watching and listening to me.
>
> Stewart
> darkmattersalot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> My, Goodness!
>>
>> You'd better get over there to Wolfram's model of WIMP Orbiting Inside
>> Earth
>>
>> http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/WIMPOrbitingInsideEarth/
>>
>> And tell them to fix their units labeling.  If one were a hamburger
>> helper physicist, one might be led to believe that the speed unit was m/s
>> rather than km/s!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>
>>> Stick to cooking hamburgers.  You make much more sense in your field of
>>> knowledge
>>>
>>> local WIMP speed distribution is known (Maxwellian with vc=220 km/s)
>>> http://conferences.fnal.gov/dmwksp/Talks/AGreen.pdf
>>>
>>> fits great with my orbital model speed and mass of a massive collapsed
>>> particle
>>>
>>> I have supplied plenty of predictions as to location and detection for
>>> you/others to prove me wrong. I have also supplied plenty of observations
>>> that fit.  I suggest you camp out near an actively growing sinkhole and
>>> cook your hamburgers on your beta decay grill.
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, James Bowery wrote:
>>>
 iYes, of course!  The weak interaction, which essentially disappears at
 a distance of around 10^-17m, provides many orders of magnitude greater
 force than does gravitation at scales of 10^3m.  This is why a gremlin
 travelling at speeds orders of magnitude above escape velocity, is able to
 avoid escape from the earth as it orbits through the earth.  It also
 explains why this "Kepler orbit" of the gremlin is locked to the rotation
 of the earth so as to keep the geographic intersection points to the
 surface of the earth effects more or less constant.  No other orbital
 system but geostationary orbit is so locked to the rotation of the earth
 because those orbits are more than 10^-17m from earth and therefore cannot
 enjoy the sizzling juicy smoked flavor, dare I say "charm" of hamburger
 that has benefitted from helpers such fermionic fiesta cheese sauce.


 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:46 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:

> Weak interactions are most noticeable when particles undergo beta
> decay , and in the
> production of deuterium and then helium from hydrogen that powers the 
> sun's
> thermonuclear process.  At the center of every Sun and planet is dark
> matter.  The only difference between a Sun and a planet is the size and
> gravitational pull of the dark matter nucleus.  A sun's pull is great
> enough to initiate Nuclear Fusion on a grand scale.  The gas giants in our
> solar system all have a dark matter nucleus/LENR reactor at their center
> creating Hydrogen, Helium and Deuterium, etc.  Mercury, Venus, Earth and
> Mars' reactor is tuckered out from ages of dark matter annihilation from
> being closer to the sun and getting pelted.
>
> Stewart
> darkmattersalot.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:28 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>
>> *weakly interacting massive particles* or *WIMPs*, are particles
>> serving as one possible solution to the dark 
>> matter<

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[ChemE Stewart]

Notice Woflram does not show you the particle mass.  Orbits depend on more
than just velocity.  Also notice that the research does not place a lower
limit on mass:

"If the WIMP is heavy even with optimistic assumptions and large exposures
it will only be possible to place a lower limit on its mass"

Also notice that two body Kepler orbits do not necessarily orbit around the
center of mass of either object they orbit a barycenter, which may place
their orbit above and below the surface of matter that they weakly interact
with.

Also notice that if a good portion of your orbit is through a mass that you
interact gravitationally with it will attempt to lock you in as opposed to
an orbiting satellite in space.  Just like the moving ocean mass will
attempt to steer you gravitationally.

Also notice that your hamburger just disappeared thru beta decay while you
were not watching and listening to me.

Stewart
darkmattersalot.com








On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> My, Goodness!
>
> You'd better get over there to Wolfram's model of WIMP Orbiting Inside
> Earth
>
> http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/WIMPOrbitingInsideEarth/
>
> And tell them to fix their units labeling.  If one were a hamburger helper
> physicist, one might be led to believe that the speed unit was m/s rather
> than km/s!
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>
>> Stick to cooking hamburgers.  You make much more sense in your field of
>> knowledge
>>
>> local WIMP speed distribution is known (Maxwellian with vc=220 km/s)
>> http://conferences.fnal.gov/dmwksp/Talks/AGreen.pdf
>>
>> fits great with my orbital model speed and mass of a massive collapsed
>> particle
>>
>> I have supplied plenty of predictions as to location and detection for
>> you/others to prove me wrong. I have also supplied plenty of observations
>> that fit.  I suggest you camp out near an actively growing sinkhole and
>> cook your hamburgers on your beta decay grill.
>>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, James Bowery wrote:
>>
>>> iYes, of course!  The weak interaction, which essentially disappears at
>>> a distance of around 10^-17m, provides many orders of magnitude greater
>>> force than does gravitation at scales of 10^3m.  This is why a gremlin
>>> travelling at speeds orders of magnitude above escape velocity, is able to
>>> avoid escape from the earth as it orbits through the earth.  It also
>>> explains why this "Kepler orbit" of the gremlin is locked to the rotation
>>> of the earth so as to keep the geographic intersection points to the
>>> surface of the earth effects more or less constant.  No other orbital
>>> system but geostationary orbit is so locked to the rotation of the earth
>>> because those orbits are more than 10^-17m from earth and therefore cannot
>>> enjoy the sizzling juicy smoked flavor, dare I say "charm" of hamburger
>>> that has benefitted from helpers such fermionic fiesta cheese sauce.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:46 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>>
 Weak interactions are most noticeable when particles undergo beta 
 decay,
 and in the production of deuterium and then helium from hydrogen that
 powers the sun's thermonuclear process.  At the center of every Sun and
 planet is dark matter.  The only difference between a Sun and a planet is
 the size and gravitational pull of the dark matter nucleus.  A sun's pull
 is great enough to initiate Nuclear Fusion on a grand scale.  The gas
 giants in our solar system all have a dark matter nucleus/LENR reactor at
 their center creating Hydrogen, Helium and Deuterium, etc.  Mercury, Venus,
 Earth and Mars' reactor is tuckered out from ages of dark matter
 annihilation from being closer to the sun and getting pelted.

 Stewart
 darkmattersalot.com



 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:28 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:

> *weakly interacting massive particles* or *WIMPs*, are particles
> serving as one possible solution to the dark 
> matter problem.
> These particles interact through the weak 
> force
>  and gravity , and possibly
> through other interactions no stronger than the weak force. Because they 
> do
> not interact with electromagnetism they cannot be seen directly, and
> because they do not interact with the strong nuclear 
> force they
> do not react strongly with atomic nuclei.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>
>> They weakly react via gravity, that is all they need.  You can keep
>> the hamburgers.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM, James Bowery wrote:
>>
>>> I still think you're barking up the wrong tree with th

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[James Bowery]

My, Goodness!

You'd better get over there to Wolfram's model of WIMP Orbiting Inside Earth

http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/WIMPOrbitingInsideEarth/

And tell them to fix their units labeling.  If one were a hamburger helper
physicist, one might be led to believe that the speed unit was m/s rather
than km/s!


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:09 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> Stick to cooking hamburgers.  You make much more sense in your field of
> knowledge
>
> local WIMP speed distribution is known (Maxwellian with vc=220 km/s)
> http://conferences.fnal.gov/dmwksp/Talks/AGreen.pdf
>
> fits great with my orbital model speed and mass of a massive collapsed
> particle
>
> I have supplied plenty of predictions as to location and detection for
> you/others to prove me wrong. I have also supplied plenty of observations
> that fit.  I suggest you camp out near an actively growing sinkhole and
> cook your hamburgers on your beta decay grill.
>


>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> iYes, of course!  The weak interaction, which essentially disappears at a
>> distance of around 10^-17m, provides many orders of magnitude greater force
>> than does gravitation at scales of 10^3m.  This is why a gremlin travelling
>> at speeds orders of magnitude above escape velocity, is able to avoid
>> escape from the earth as it orbits through the earth.  It also explains why
>> this "Kepler orbit" of the gremlin is locked to the rotation of the earth
>> so as to keep the geographic intersection points to the surface of the
>> earth effects more or less constant.  No other orbital system but
>> geostationary orbit is so locked to the rotation of the earth because those
>> orbits are more than 10^-17m from earth and therefore cannot enjoy the
>> sizzling juicy smoked flavor, dare I say "charm" of hamburger that has
>> benefitted from helpers such fermionic fiesta cheese sauce.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:46 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>
>>> Weak interactions are most noticeable when particles undergo beta 
>>> decay,
>>> and in the production of deuterium and then helium from hydrogen that
>>> powers the sun's thermonuclear process.  At the center of every Sun and
>>> planet is dark matter.  The only difference between a Sun and a planet is
>>> the size and gravitational pull of the dark matter nucleus.  A sun's pull
>>> is great enough to initiate Nuclear Fusion on a grand scale.  The gas
>>> giants in our solar system all have a dark matter nucleus/LENR reactor at
>>> their center creating Hydrogen, Helium and Deuterium, etc.  Mercury, Venus,
>>> Earth and Mars' reactor is tuckered out from ages of dark matter
>>> annihilation from being closer to the sun and getting pelted.
>>>
>>> Stewart
>>> darkmattersalot.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:28 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>>
 *weakly interacting massive particles* or *WIMPs*, are particles
 serving as one possible solution to the dark 
 matter problem.
 These particles interact through the weak 
 force
  and gravity , and possibly
 through other interactions no stronger than the weak force. Because they do
 not interact with electromagnetism they cannot be seen directly, and
 because they do not interact with the strong nuclear 
 force they
 do not react strongly with atomic nuclei.



 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:

> They weakly react via gravity, that is all they need.  You can keep
> the hamburgers.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM, James Bowery wrote:
>
>> I still think you're barking up the wrong tree with this dark matter
>> stuff.  Clearly, the only substance that can orbit the earth at a 
>> velocity
>> orders of magnitude above escape velocity, as you posit it must, is
>> hamburger.  Why do I say this?  Because in order to overcome the tendency
>> to take off on a hyperbolic trajectory, the substance must have a helper.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:08 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>
>>> Axil,
>>>
>>> One thing I have noticed in my dark matter model for a particle is
>>> that when a dark matter nucleus is subject to more dense matter on one 
>>> side
>>> of it (i.e. water), it converts the matter to energy and shoots it out 
>>> the
>>> opposite side in order to have equilibrium on both sides, like a...comet
>>> nucleus does with it's ion tail.  That bow/shock wave is also what I
>>> believe is leading to many massive fish/mammal kills underwater by these
>>> particles when they are orbiting around us and into the Earth.
>>>
>>> Lastly, there is a crazy guy on his blog saying that he solved the
>>> B

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[ChemE Stewart]

Stick to cooking hamburgers.  You make much more sense in your field of
knowledge

local WIMP speed distribution is known (Maxwellian with vc=220 km/s)
http://conferences.fnal.gov/dmwksp/Talks/AGreen.pdf

fits great with my orbital model speed and mass of a massive collapsed
particle

I have supplied plenty of predictions as to location and detection for
you/others to prove me wrong. I have also supplied plenty of observations
that fit.  I suggest you camp out near an actively growing sinkhole and
cook your hamburgers on your beta decay grill.





On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> iYes, of course!  The weak interaction, which essentially disappears at a
> distance of around 10^-17m, provides many orders of magnitude greater force
> than does gravitation at scales of 10^3m.  This is why a gremlin travelling
> at speeds orders of magnitude above escape velocity, is able to avoid
> escape from the earth as it orbits through the earth.  It also explains why
> this "Kepler orbit" of the gremlin is locked to the rotation of the earth
> so as to keep the geographic intersection points to the surface of the
> earth effects more or less constant.  No other orbital system but
> geostationary orbit is so locked to the rotation of the earth because those
> orbits are more than 10^-17m from earth and therefore cannot enjoy the
> sizzling juicy smoked flavor, dare I say "charm" of hamburger that has
> benefitted from helpers such fermionic fiesta cheese sauce.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:46 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
>> Weak interactions are most noticeable when particles undergo beta 
>> decay,
>> and in the production of deuterium and then helium from hydrogen that
>> powers the sun's thermonuclear process.  At the center of every Sun and
>> planet is dark matter.  The only difference between a Sun and a planet is
>> the size and gravitational pull of the dark matter nucleus.  A sun's pull
>> is great enough to initiate Nuclear Fusion on a grand scale.  The gas
>> giants in our solar system all have a dark matter nucleus/LENR reactor at
>> their center creating Hydrogen, Helium and Deuterium, etc.  Mercury, Venus,
>> Earth and Mars' reactor is tuckered out from ages of dark matter
>> annihilation from being closer to the sun and getting pelted.
>>
>> Stewart
>> darkmattersalot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:28 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>
>>> *weakly interacting massive particles* or *WIMPs*, are particles
>>> serving as one possible solution to the dark 
>>> matter problem.
>>> These particles interact through the weak 
>>> force
>>>  and gravity , and possibly
>>> through other interactions no stronger than the weak force. Because they do
>>> not interact with electromagnetism they cannot be seen directly, and
>>> because they do not interact with the strong nuclear 
>>> force they
>>> do not react strongly with atomic nuclei.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>>
 They weakly react via gravity, that is all they need.  You can keep the
 hamburgers.


 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM, James Bowery wrote:

> I still think you're barking up the wrong tree with this dark matter
> stuff.  Clearly, the only substance that can orbit the earth at a velocity
> orders of magnitude above escape velocity, as you posit it must, is
> hamburger.  Why do I say this?  Because in order to overcome the tendency
> to take off on a hyperbolic trajectory, the substance must have a helper.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:08 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>
>> Axil,
>>
>> One thing I have noticed in my dark matter model for a particle is
>> that when a dark matter nucleus is subject to more dense matter on one 
>> side
>> of it (i.e. water), it converts the matter to energy and shoots it out 
>> the
>> opposite side in order to have equilibrium on both sides, like a...comet
>> nucleus does with it's ion tail.  That bow/shock wave is also what I
>> believe is leading to many massive fish/mammal kills underwater by these
>> particles when they are orbiting around us and into the Earth.
>>
>> Lastly, there is a crazy guy on his blog saying that he solved the
>> Bermuda Triangle mystery, something about orbiting weakly interacting
>> massive particles, contrails and sucking in airplanes.
>>
>> http://darkmattersalot.com
>>
>> Stewart
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
>>
>>> “In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
>>> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining 
>>> effect,
>>> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forc

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[James Bowery]

iYes, of course!  The weak interaction, which essentially disappears at a
distance of around 10^-17m, provides many orders of magnitude greater force
than does gravitation at scales of 10^3m.  This is why a gremlin travelling
at speeds orders of magnitude above escape velocity, is able to avoid
escape from the earth as it orbits through the earth.  It also explains why
this "Kepler orbit" of the gremlin is locked to the rotation of the earth
so as to keep the geographic intersection points to the surface of the
earth effects more or less constant.  No other orbital system but
geostationary orbit is so locked to the rotation of the earth because those
orbits are more than 10^-17m from earth and therefore cannot enjoy the
sizzling juicy smoked flavor, dare I say "charm" of hamburger that has
benefitted from helpers such fermionic fiesta cheese sauce.

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:46 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> Weak interactions are most noticeable when particles undergo beta 
> decay,
> and in the production of deuterium and then helium from hydrogen that
> powers the sun's thermonuclear process.  At the center of every Sun and
> planet is dark matter.  The only difference between a Sun and a planet is
> the size and gravitational pull of the dark matter nucleus.  A sun's pull
> is great enough to initiate Nuclear Fusion on a grand scale.  The gas
> giants in our solar system all have a dark matter nucleus/LENR reactor at
> their center creating Hydrogen, Helium and Deuterium, etc.  Mercury, Venus,
> Earth and Mars' reactor is tuckered out from ages of dark matter
> annihilation from being closer to the sun and getting pelted.
>
> Stewart
> darkmattersalot.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:28 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
>> *weakly interacting massive particles* or *WIMPs*, are particles serving
>> as one possible solution to the dark 
>> matter problem.
>> These particles interact through the weak 
>> force
>>  and gravity , and possibly
>> through other interactions no stronger than the weak force. Because they do
>> not interact with electromagnetism they cannot be seen directly, and
>> because they do not interact with the strong nuclear 
>> force they
>> do not react strongly with atomic nuclei.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>
>>> They weakly react via gravity, that is all they need.  You can keep the
>>> hamburgers.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM, James Bowery wrote:
>>>
 I still think you're barking up the wrong tree with this dark matter
 stuff.  Clearly, the only substance that can orbit the earth at a velocity
 orders of magnitude above escape velocity, as you posit it must, is
 hamburger.  Why do I say this?  Because in order to overcome the tendency
 to take off on a hyperbolic trajectory, the substance must have a helper.


 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:08 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:

> Axil,
>
> One thing I have noticed in my dark matter model for a particle is
> that when a dark matter nucleus is subject to more dense matter on one 
> side
> of it (i.e. water), it converts the matter to energy and shoots it out the
> opposite side in order to have equilibrium on both sides, like a...comet
> nucleus does with it's ion tail.  That bow/shock wave is also what I
> believe is leading to many massive fish/mammal kills underwater by these
> particles when they are orbiting around us and into the Earth.
>
> Lastly, there is a crazy guy on his blog saying that he solved the
> Bermuda Triangle mystery, something about orbiting weakly interacting
> massive particles, contrails and sucking in airplanes.
>
> http://darkmattersalot.com
>
> Stewart
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> “In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
>> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining 
>> effect,
>> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
>> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>>
>> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface
>> is important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears 
>> that
>> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
>> the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here
>> somewhere”
>>
>> The self-sustaining structure that preserves the positive water ionic
>> crystal is a plasmoid.
>>
>> A plasmoid is a coil of negative and positive electric currents that
>> form a ball with the positive ions on the inside and the negative 
>> elect

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[ChemE Stewart]

Weak interactions are most noticeable when particles undergo beta
decay,
and in the production of deuterium and then helium from hydrogen that
powers the sun's thermonuclear process.  At the center of every Sun and
planet is dark matter.  The only difference between a Sun and a planet is
the size and gravitational pull of the dark matter nucleus.  A sun's pull
is great enough to initiate Nuclear Fusion on a grand scale.  The gas
giants in our solar system all have a dark matter nucleus/LENR reactor at
their center creating Hydrogen, Helium and Deuterium, etc.  Mercury, Venus,
Earth and Mars' reactor is tuckered out from ages of dark matter
annihilation from being closer to the sun and getting pelted.

Stewart
darkmattersalot.com



On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:28 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> *weakly interacting massive particles* or *WIMPs*, are particles serving
> as one possible solution to the dark 
> matter problem.
> These particles interact through the weak 
> force
>  and gravity , and possibly through
> other interactions no stronger than the weak force. Because they do not
> interact with electromagnetism they cannot be seen directly, and because
> they do not interact with the strong nuclear 
> force they
> do not react strongly with atomic nuclei.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
>> They weakly react via gravity, that is all they need.  You can keep the
>> hamburgers.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>>
>>> I still think you're barking up the wrong tree with this dark matter
>>> stuff.  Clearly, the only substance that can orbit the earth at a velocity
>>> orders of magnitude above escape velocity, as you posit it must, is
>>> hamburger.  Why do I say this?  Because in order to overcome the tendency
>>> to take off on a hyperbolic trajectory, the substance must have a helper.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:08 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>>
 Axil,

 One thing I have noticed in my dark matter model for a particle is that
 when a dark matter nucleus is subject to more dense matter on one side of
 it (i.e. water), it converts the matter to energy and shoots it out the
 opposite side in order to have equilibrium on both sides, like a...comet
 nucleus does with it's ion tail.  That bow/shock wave is also what I
 believe is leading to many massive fish/mammal kills underwater by these
 particles when they are orbiting around us and into the Earth.

 Lastly, there is a crazy guy on his blog saying that he solved the
 Bermuda Triangle mystery, something about orbiting weakly interacting
 massive particles, contrails and sucking in airplanes.

 http://darkmattersalot.com

 Stewart


 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> “In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>
> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface
> is important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that
> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
> the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here
> somewhere”
>
> The self-sustaining structure that preserves the positive water ionic
> crystal is a plasmoid.
>
> A plasmoid is a coil of negative and positive electric currents that
> form a ball with the positive ions on the inside and the negative 
> electrons
> on the outside.
>
> The plasmoid is self-sustaining as it converts LENR reaction energy
> into electromagnetic current flow.
>
>
> The tendency of electrons to flow along the surface of a metal would
> keep the plasmoid from penetrating the surface of the metal substrate.
>
>
> Cheers:   Axil
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote:
>
>> Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up
>> coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects 
>> that
>> we may need to consider.
>>
>> First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation
>> bubble that starts the process off.  In situations where cavitation 
>> causes
>> damage to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town.
>>
>> In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
>> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining 
>> effect,
>> possib

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[ChemE Stewart]

*weakly interacting massive particles* or *WIMPs*, are particles serving as
one possible solution to the dark
matter problem.
These particles interact through the weak
force
 and gravity , and possibly through
other interactions no stronger than the weak force. Because they do not
interact with electromagnetism they cannot be seen directly, and because
they do not interact with the strong nuclear
force they
do not react strongly with atomic nuclei.


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:24 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> They weakly react via gravity, that is all they need.  You can keep the
> hamburgers.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> I still think you're barking up the wrong tree with this dark matter
>> stuff.  Clearly, the only substance that can orbit the earth at a velocity
>> orders of magnitude above escape velocity, as you posit it must, is
>> hamburger.  Why do I say this?  Because in order to overcome the tendency
>> to take off on a hyperbolic trajectory, the substance must have a helper.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:08 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
>>
>>> Axil,
>>>
>>> One thing I have noticed in my dark matter model for a particle is that
>>> when a dark matter nucleus is subject to more dense matter on one side of
>>> it (i.e. water), it converts the matter to energy and shoots it out the
>>> opposite side in order to have equilibrium on both sides, like a...comet
>>> nucleus does with it's ion tail.  That bow/shock wave is also what I
>>> believe is leading to many massive fish/mammal kills underwater by these
>>> particles when they are orbiting around us and into the Earth.
>>>
>>> Lastly, there is a crazy guy on his blog saying that he solved the
>>> Bermuda Triangle mystery, something about orbiting weakly interacting
>>> massive particles, contrails and sucking in airplanes.
>>>
>>> http://darkmattersalot.com
>>>
>>> Stewart
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>>
 “In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
 surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
 possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
 totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.

 Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface
 is important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that
 there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
 the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here
 somewhere”

 The self-sustaining structure that preserves the positive water ionic
 crystal is a plasmoid.

 A plasmoid is a coil of negative and positive electric currents that
 form a ball with the positive ions on the inside and the negative electrons
 on the outside.

 The plasmoid is self-sustaining as it converts LENR reaction energy
 into electromagnetic current flow.


 The tendency of electrons to flow along the surface of a metal would
 keep the plasmoid from penetrating the surface of the metal substrate.


 Cheers:   Axil

 On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote:

> Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up
> coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects that
> we may need to consider.
>
> First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation
> bubble that starts the process off.  In situations where cavitation causes
> damage to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town.
>
> In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>
> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface
> is important for this second effect to be self sustaining.   It appears
> that there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing
> into the metal or leaving the metal surface.   I feel there is a clue here
> somewhere
>
> Nigel
>
>
> On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote:
>
>> I am interested in the possible association of
>> zero-point-energy/**electrostatic based supersonic shockwave
>> acceleration
>> processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation
>> during
>> cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in
>> the
>> Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in
>> heavy
>> noble gases.
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[ChemE Stewart]

They weakly react via gravity, that is all they need.  You can keep the
hamburgers.


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> I still think you're barking up the wrong tree with this dark matter
> stuff.  Clearly, the only substance that can orbit the earth at a velocity
> orders of magnitude above escape velocity, as you posit it must, is
> hamburger.  Why do I say this?  Because in order to overcome the tendency
> to take off on a hyperbolic trajectory, the substance must have a helper.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:08 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:
>
>> Axil,
>>
>> One thing I have noticed in my dark matter model for a particle is that
>> when a dark matter nucleus is subject to more dense matter on one side of
>> it (i.e. water), it converts the matter to energy and shoots it out the
>> opposite side in order to have equilibrium on both sides, like a...comet
>> nucleus does with it's ion tail.  That bow/shock wave is also what I
>> believe is leading to many massive fish/mammal kills underwater by these
>> particles when they are orbiting around us and into the Earth.
>>
>> Lastly, there is a crazy guy on his blog saying that he solved the
>> Bermuda Triangle mystery, something about orbiting weakly interacting
>> massive particles, contrails and sucking in airplanes.
>>
>> http://darkmattersalot.com
>>
>> Stewart
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>> “In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
>>> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
>>> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
>>> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>>>
>>> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
>>> important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that
>>> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
>>> the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here
>>> somewhere”
>>>
>>> The self-sustaining structure that preserves the positive water ionic
>>> crystal is a plasmoid.
>>>
>>> A plasmoid is a coil of negative and positive electric currents that
>>> form a ball with the positive ions on the inside and the negative electrons
>>> on the outside.
>>>
>>> The plasmoid is self-sustaining as it converts LENR reaction energy into
>>> electromagnetic current flow.
>>>
>>>
>>> The tendency of electrons to flow along the surface of a metal would
>>> keep the plasmoid from penetrating the surface of the metal substrate.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers:   Axil
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote:
>>>
 Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up
 coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects that
 we may need to consider.

 First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation bubble
 that starts the process off.  In situations where cavitation causes damage
 to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town.

 In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
 surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
 possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
 totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.

 Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface
 is important for this second effect to be self sustaining.   It appears
 that there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing
 into the metal or leaving the metal surface.   I feel there is a clue here
 somewhere

 Nigel


 On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote:

> I am interested in the possible association of
> zero-point-energy/**electrostatic based supersonic shockwave
> acceleration
> processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
> cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in
> the
> Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in
> heavy
> noble gases.
>
>
> The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix
> might
> be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large
> cavatation
> bubble.
>
>
> The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation
> of a
> single large collapsing cavitation bubble.
>
>
> In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic
> crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high
> pressure
> plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in
> ionic
> positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp
> reaction.
>
>
> I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also
> occurs
> in 

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[James Bowery]

I still think you're barking up the wrong tree with this dark matter stuff.
 Clearly, the only substance that can orbit the earth at a velocity orders
of magnitude above escape velocity, as you posit it must, is hamburger.
 Why do I say this?  Because in order to overcome the tendency to take off
on a hyperbolic trajectory, the substance must have a helper.

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:08 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> Axil,
>
> One thing I have noticed in my dark matter model for a particle is that
> when a dark matter nucleus is subject to more dense matter on one side of
> it (i.e. water), it converts the matter to energy and shoots it out the
> opposite side in order to have equilibrium on both sides, like a...comet
> nucleus does with it's ion tail.  That bow/shock wave is also what I
> believe is leading to many massive fish/mammal kills underwater by these
> particles when they are orbiting around us and into the Earth.
>
> Lastly, there is a crazy guy on his blog saying that he solved the Bermuda
> Triangle mystery, something about orbiting weakly interacting massive
> particles, contrails and sucking in airplanes.
>
> http://darkmattersalot.com
>
> Stewart
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> “In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
>> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
>> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
>> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>>
>> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
>> important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that
>> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
>> the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here
>> somewhere”
>>
>> The self-sustaining structure that preserves the positive water ionic
>> crystal is a plasmoid.
>>
>> A plasmoid is a coil of negative and positive electric currents that form
>> a ball with the positive ions on the inside and the negative electrons on
>> the outside.
>>
>> The plasmoid is self-sustaining as it converts LENR reaction energy into
>> electromagnetic current flow.
>>
>>
>> The tendency of electrons to flow along the surface of a metal would keep
>> the plasmoid from penetrating the surface of the metal substrate.
>>
>>
>> Cheers:   Axil
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:
>>
>>> Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up
>>> coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects that
>>> we may need to consider.
>>>
>>> First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation bubble
>>> that starts the process off.  In situations where cavitation causes damage
>>> to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town.
>>>
>>> In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
>>> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
>>> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
>>> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>>>
>>> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
>>> important for this second effect to be self sustaining.   It appears that
>>> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
>>> the metal or leaving the metal surface.   I feel there is a clue here
>>> somewhere
>>>
>>> Nigel
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote:
>>>
 I am interested in the possible association of
 zero-point-energy/**electrostatic based supersonic shockwave
 acceleration
 processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
 cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in
 the
 Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy
 noble gases.


 The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix
 might
 be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large
 cavatation
 bubble.


 The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation
 of a
 single large collapsing cavitation bubble.


 In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic
 crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high
 pressure
 plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in
 ionic
 positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp
 reaction.


 I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also
 occurs
 in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times more
 intense as is happening in water.


 Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of
 ionic
 elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.
>>>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[ChemE Stewart]

Axil,

One thing I have noticed in my dark matter model for a particle is that
when a dark matter nucleus is subject to more dense matter on one side of
it (i.e. water), it converts the matter to energy and shoots it out the
opposite side in order to have equilibrium on both sides, like a...comet
nucleus does with it's ion tail.  That bow/shock wave is also what I
believe is leading to many massive fish/mammal kills underwater by these
particles when they are orbiting around us and into the Earth.

Lastly, there is a crazy guy on his blog saying that he solved the Bermuda
Triangle mystery, something about orbiting weakly interacting massive
particles, contrails and sucking in airplanes.

http://darkmattersalot.com

Stewart


On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> “In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>
> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
> important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that
> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
> the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here
> somewhere”
>
> The self-sustaining structure that preserves the positive water ionic
> crystal is a plasmoid.
>
> A plasmoid is a coil of negative and positive electric currents that form
> a ball with the positive ions on the inside and the negative electrons on
> the outside.
>
> The plasmoid is self-sustaining as it converts LENR reaction energy into
> electromagnetic current flow.
>
>
> The tendency of electrons to flow along the surface of a metal would keep
> the plasmoid from penetrating the surface of the metal substrate.
>
>
> Cheers:   Axil
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:
>
>> Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up
>> coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects that
>> we may need to consider.
>>
>> First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation bubble
>> that starts the process off.  In situations where cavitation causes damage
>> to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town.
>>
>> In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
>> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
>> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
>> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>>
>> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
>> important for this second effect to be self sustaining.   It appears that
>> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
>> the metal or leaving the metal surface.   I feel there is a clue here
>> somewhere
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote:
>>
>>> I am interested in the possible association of
>>> zero-point-energy/**electrostatic based supersonic shockwave
>>> acceleration
>>> processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
>>> cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in the
>>> Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy
>>> noble gases.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix
>>> might
>>> be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large cavatation
>>> bubble.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation
>>> of a
>>> single large collapsing cavitation bubble.
>>>
>>>
>>> In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic
>>> crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure
>>> plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in
>>> ionic
>>> positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp
>>> reaction.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also
>>> occurs
>>> in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times more
>>> intense as is happening in water.
>>>
>>>
>>> Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of
>>> ionic
>>> elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.
>>>
>>> Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark
>>> LeClair.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=a7Gqd34R5OQ
>>>
>>>
>>> In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation.
>>> But  a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking.  LENR
>>> actually is based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic
>>> crystals.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Axil Axil]

See

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1202.2663v1

COLLISIONLESS MAGNETIC RECONNECTION IN A PLASMOID CHAIN



On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> “In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>
> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
> important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that
> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
> the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here
> somewhere”
>
> The self-sustaining structure that preserves the positive water ionic
> crystal is a plasmoid.
>
> A plasmoid is a coil of negative and positive electric currents that form
> a ball with the positive ions on the inside and the negative electrons on
> the outside.
>
> The plasmoid is self-sustaining as it converts LENR reaction energy into
> electromagnetic current flow.
>
>
> The tendency of electrons to flow along the surface of a metal would keep
> the plasmoid from penetrating the surface of the metal substrate.
>
>
> Cheers:   Axil
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:
>
>> Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up
>> coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects that
>> we may need to consider.
>>
>> First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation bubble
>> that starts the process off.  In situations where cavitation causes damage
>> to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town.
>>
>> In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
>> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
>> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
>> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>>
>> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
>> important for this second effect to be self sustaining.   It appears that
>> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
>> the metal or leaving the metal surface.   I feel there is a clue here
>> somewhere
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote:
>>
>>> I am interested in the possible association of
>>> zero-point-energy/**electrostatic based supersonic shockwave
>>> acceleration
>>> processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
>>> cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in the
>>> Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy
>>> noble gases.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix
>>> might
>>> be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large cavatation
>>> bubble.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation
>>> of a
>>> single large collapsing cavitation bubble.
>>>
>>>
>>> In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic
>>> crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure
>>> plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in
>>> ionic
>>> positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp
>>> reaction.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also
>>> occurs
>>> in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times more
>>> intense as is happening in water.
>>>
>>>
>>> Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of
>>> ionic
>>> elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.
>>>
>>> Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark
>>> LeClair.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=a7Gqd34R5OQ
>>>
>>>
>>> In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation.
>>> But  a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking.  LENR
>>> actually is based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic
>>> crystals.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Axil Axil]

“In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.

Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that
there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here
somewhere”

The self-sustaining structure that preserves the positive water ionic
crystal is a plasmoid.

A plasmoid is a coil of negative and positive electric currents that form a
ball with the positive ions on the inside and the negative electrons on the
outside.

The plasmoid is self-sustaining as it converts LENR reaction energy into
electromagnetic current flow.


The tendency of electrons to flow along the surface of a metal would keep
the plasmoid from penetrating the surface of the metal substrate.


Cheers:   Axil

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:

> Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up
> coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects that
> we may need to consider.
>
> First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation bubble
> that starts the process off.  In situations where cavitation causes damage
> to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town.
>
> In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>
> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
> important for this second effect to be self sustaining.   It appears that
> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
> the metal or leaving the metal surface.   I feel there is a clue here
> somewhere
>
> Nigel
>
>
> On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote:
>
>> I am interested in the possible association of
>> zero-point-energy/**electrostatic based supersonic shockwave acceleration
>> processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
>> cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in the
>> Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy
>> noble gases.
>>
>>
>> The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix
>> might
>> be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large cavatation
>> bubble.
>>
>>
>> The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation of
>> a
>> single large collapsing cavitation bubble.
>>
>>
>> In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic
>> crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure
>> plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in
>> ionic
>> positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp
>> reaction.
>>
>>
>> I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also
>> occurs
>> in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times more
>> intense as is happening in water.
>>
>>
>> Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of ionic
>> elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.
>>
>> Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark
>> LeClair.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=a7Gqd34R5OQ
>>
>>
>> In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation.
>> But  a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking.  LENR
>> actually is based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic
>> crystals.
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Axil Axil]

Seeing your negative reaction to this factoid, I wanted to make sure that
this information came from LeClair himself since it may be prejudicial to
his credibility.

To the best of my present knowledge after a bit of research, the original
source of this tree and wall story came from Steven B. Krivit, from his old
not for profit website.

Since Krivit has shown occasional subjectivity and personal preference in
his reporting, I will hold off judgment on this account until I see a
firsthand reference to this story from the lips of LeClair himself.

If you can verify that LeClair personally related this story to Krivit,
please post to verify it.


Cheers:Axil

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> David Roberson  wrote:
>
> I can not imagine how LeClair and his friends escaped injury from these
>> crystals if they were dense enough in numbers to damage trees outside the
>> lab.
>
>
> Yes. This is preposterous. The fragments were supposedly tiny, but they
> still would have been blinded, bleeding and seriously hurt, if not killed.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Jed Rothwell]

David Roberson  wrote:

I can not imagine how LeClair and his friends escaped injury from these
> crystals if they were dense enough in numbers to damage trees outside the
> lab.


Yes. This is preposterous. The fragments were supposedly tiny, but they
still would have been blinded, bleeding and seriously hurt, if not killed.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[David Roberson]

I can not imagine how LeClair and his friends escaped injury from these 
crystals if they were dense enough in numbers to damage trees outside the lab.  
You have to wonder how the damage was discovered since each of the paths 
appears to be microscopic.


Dave



-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes


“Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is 
important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that there 
is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into the metal or 
leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here somewhere”
Standard scientific doctrinaire says that the positive highly charged ionic 
crystal will immediately gain electrons and become neutral in charge when the 
crystal hits the substrate.
If this charge neutralization process does not happen, the positive ionic 
charge is maintained almost indefinitely.
More interesting, LeClair says he has seen damage from these crystals in his 
walls and in trees outside his windows.
Something is keeping these crystals charged.
If these crystals can be produced on demand and in mass in a handy handheld 
system they would make for a formidable weapon; a disruptor beam.
We have until the 24th century to figure this thing out so that we can keep to 
the “STAR TRAC” technology development timeline.
 
 
Cheers:   Axil


 
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:

Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up coming to 
the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects that we may need to 
consider.

First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation bubble that 
starts the process off.  In situations where cavitation causes damage to nearby 
surfaces this is probably the only effect in town.

In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the surface of 
metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect, possibly 
involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left totally 
convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.

Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is 
important for this second effect to be self sustaining.   It appears that there 
is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into the metal or 
leaving the metal surface.   I feel there is a clue here somewhere

Nigel


On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote:

I am interested in the possible association of
zero-point-energy/electrostatic based supersonic shockwave acceleration
processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in the
Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy
noble gases.


The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix might
be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large cavatation
bubble.


The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation of a
single large collapsing cavitation bubble.


In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic
crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure
plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in ionic
positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp reaction.


I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also occurs
in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times more
intense as is happening in water.


Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of ionic
elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.

Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark
LeClair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Gqd34R5OQ


In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation.
But  a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking.  LENR
actually is based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic
crystals.







 

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[David Roberson]

Axil says:


Also, a confining coil that constraints the shockwave to the center of the 
cylinder increases the speed of the shockwave by 20%.
It would be interesting to vary the intensity of this axially confining force 
to see how the acceleration of the shockwave and the associated power delivered 
to the surface of the piston by the plasmoid varies with confining coil field 
strength. Here again, the accelerometer is an important tool that can provide 
important insights into this dynamic process.



-
I also would like to see the effect of the confining coil upon device 
operation.  It seems likely to me that the coil axial field will make the 
plasma ions rotate as they approach the outer wall of the cylinder.  The 
electric field will tend to accelerate the ions and electrons and the magnetic 
field should make them rotate.


If the piston force is due to induced currents, an axial magnetic field will 
enhance the effect.  Without the axial field the current induced within the 
metallic piston will tend to balance out due to symmetry.


I suspect that the magnetic field will need to be fairly strong if a large 
reaction force is to be generated.  This should be true since the ion and 
electron currents will tend to overwhelm the magnetic field due to the coil 
current.


Dave

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Jeff Berkowitz]

Kidding aside, I'm going to channel Mary Yugo here for a minute.

Back in Februrary, NanoSpire "...announced that its investigative study on
fusion created by cavitation in water has come to an end."
http://www.nanotech-now.com/news.cgi?story_id=44551 (Dr. Storms is
mentioned.)

These experiments apparently go back to 2007. If I understood the video
correctly the one in which the principals of the company were injured by
radiation was done in 2009. They say the produced a huge range of elements
up through transuranics. Years ago.

So I must be missing something here. Put up some shielding. Put some
detectors and live plants behind the shielding and run the device. Invite
people to come watch them fry. Put up a webcam. Whatever. It's not that
hard. The HUG guys in Minnesota are doing it. Or for that matter, scrape up
the remains and sell them. Lots of the elements in that wide range are
valuable. Transuranics are fantastically valuable.

Something. Note that none of these ideas compromise their IP in the
slightest. The HUG replication is not compromising Celani's IP related to
fabrication of the wire. So don't even start about how they're preserving
their valuable IP.

But no, nothing along these lines - just earth-shattering news of a
breakthrough in physics, with no reproduction instructions, no apparent
demonstration, and no attempt (that I can see) to extract economic value
from the consequences.  "Sorry, no. Not interested in a Nobel or in
boundless wealth. Happy to be a small IP holding company and keep chugging
along."

Help me out here. What am I missing.

Jeff



On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:

> Sorry, I cannot resist, though I'm sure it's appeared here before.
>
> *Buzz *: I need to repair my turbo
> boosters. Are you still using fossil fuels, or have you discovered
> crystallic fusion?
> *Woody *: Well, let's see, we got
> double-A's.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114709/quotes
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> “Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
>> important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that
>> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
>> the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here
>> somewhere”
>>
>> Standard scientific doctrinaire says that the positive highly charged
>> ionic crystal will immediately gain electrons and become neutral in charge
>> when the crystal hits the substrate.
>>
>> If this charge neutralization process does not happen, the positive ionic
>> charge is maintained almost indefinitely.
>>
>> More interesting, LeClair says he has seen damage from these crystals in
>> his walls and in trees outside his windows.
>>
>> Something is keeping these crystals charged.
>>
>> If these crystals can be produced on demand and in mass in a handy
>> handheld system they would make for a formidable weapon; a disruptor beam.
>> We have until the 24th century to figure this thing out so that we can
>> keep to the “STAR TRAC” technology development timeline.
>>
>>
>> Cheers:   Axil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:
>>
>>> Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up
>>> coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects that
>>> we may need to consider.
>>>
>>> First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation bubble
>>> that starts the process off.  In situations where cavitation causes damage
>>> to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town.
>>>
>>> In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
>>> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
>>> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
>>> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>>>
>>> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
>>> important for this second effect to be self sustaining.   It appears that
>>> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
>>> the metal or leaving the metal surface.   I feel there is a clue here
>>> somewhere
>>>
>>> Nigel
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote:
>>>
 I am interested in the possible association of
 zero-point-energy/**electrostatic based supersonic shockwave
 acceleration
 processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
 cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in
 the
 Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy
 noble gases.


 The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix
 might
 be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large
 cavatation
 bubble.


 The Plasmoid both ac

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Jeff Berkowitz]

Sorry, I cannot resist, though I'm sure it's appeared here before.

*Buzz *: I need to repair my turbo
boosters. Are you still using fossil fuels, or have you discovered
crystallic fusion?
*Woody *: Well, let's see, we got
double-A's.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114709/quotes

Jeff


On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> “Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
> important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that
> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
> the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here
> somewhere”
>
> Standard scientific doctrinaire says that the positive highly charged
> ionic crystal will immediately gain electrons and become neutral in charge
> when the crystal hits the substrate.
>
> If this charge neutralization process does not happen, the positive ionic
> charge is maintained almost indefinitely.
>
> More interesting, LeClair says he has seen damage from these crystals in
> his walls and in trees outside his windows.
>
> Something is keeping these crystals charged.
>
> If these crystals can be produced on demand and in mass in a handy
> handheld system they would make for a formidable weapon; a disruptor beam.
> We have until the 24th century to figure this thing out so that we can
> keep to the “STAR TRAC” technology development timeline.
>
>
> Cheers:   Axil
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:
>
>> Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up
>> coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects that
>> we may need to consider.
>>
>> First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation bubble
>> that starts the process off.  In situations where cavitation causes damage
>> to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town.
>>
>> In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
>> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
>> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
>> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>>
>> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
>> important for this second effect to be self sustaining.   It appears that
>> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
>> the metal or leaving the metal surface.   I feel there is a clue here
>> somewhere
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote:
>>
>>> I am interested in the possible association of
>>> zero-point-energy/**electrostatic based supersonic shockwave
>>> acceleration
>>> processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
>>> cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in the
>>> Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy
>>> noble gases.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix
>>> might
>>> be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large cavatation
>>> bubble.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation
>>> of a
>>> single large collapsing cavitation bubble.
>>>
>>>
>>> In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic
>>> crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure
>>> plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in
>>> ionic
>>> positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp
>>> reaction.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also
>>> occurs
>>> in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times more
>>> intense as is happening in water.
>>>
>>>
>>> Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of
>>> ionic
>>> elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.
>>>
>>> Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark
>>> LeClair.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=a7Gqd34R5OQ
>>>
>>>
>>> In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation.
>>> But  a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking.  LENR
>>> actually is based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic
>>> crystals.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Axil Axil]

“Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
important for this second effect to be self sustaining. It appears that
there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
the metal or leaving the metal surface. I feel there is a clue here
somewhere”

Standard scientific doctrinaire says that the positive highly charged ionic
crystal will immediately gain electrons and become neutral in charge when
the crystal hits the substrate.

If this charge neutralization process does not happen, the positive ionic
charge is maintained almost indefinitely.

More interesting, LeClair says he has seen damage from these crystals in
his walls and in trees outside his windows.

Something is keeping these crystals charged.

If these crystals can be produced on demand and in mass in a handy handheld
system they would make for a formidable weapon; a disruptor beam.
We have until the 24th century to figure this thing out so that we can keep
to the “STAR TRAC” technology development timeline.


Cheers:   Axil




On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:

> Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up
> coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects that
> we may need to consider.
>
> First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation bubble
> that starts the process off.  In situations where cavitation causes damage
> to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town.
>
> In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the
> surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining effect,
> possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was not left
> totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.
>
> Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is
> important for this second effect to be self sustaining.   It appears that
> there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing into
> the metal or leaving the metal surface.   I feel there is a clue here
> somewhere
>
> Nigel
>
>
> On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote:
>
>> I am interested in the possible association of
>> zero-point-energy/**electrostatic based supersonic shockwave acceleration
>> processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
>> cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in the
>> Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy
>> noble gases.
>>
>>
>> The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix
>> might
>> be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large cavatation
>> bubble.
>>
>>
>> The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation of
>> a
>> single large collapsing cavitation bubble.
>>
>>
>> In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic
>> crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure
>> plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in
>> ionic
>> positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp
>> reaction.
>>
>>
>> I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also
>> occurs
>> in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times more
>> intense as is happening in water.
>>
>>
>> Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of ionic
>> elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.
>>
>> Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark
>> LeClair.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=a7Gqd34R5OQ
>>
>>
>> In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation.
>> But  a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking.  LENR
>> actually is based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic
>> crystals.
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Axil Axil]

Concerning Reference:

http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=2569

Plasma Flow in an Electromagnetic Shock Tube and in a Compression shock Tube


The distant that the shockwave can travel in a shock tube can be very great
compared to the distance of travel in a Papp cylinder because the piston in
the cylinder is initially positioned very close to the spark.

Because the plasmoid is highly charged, this vortex will be attracted to
the closest neutrally charged surface.


In a Papp engine that neutrally charged surface must be the surface of the
piston.


This neutral surface will initially induce the shockwave acceleration
process toward the neutrally charged surface. But once the shockwave starts
in the direction of the piston, the acceleration process will be
self-sustaining in that direction.


In a shock tube which can be very long, the shockwave leaves the spark at
high Mach numbers but it decelerates as it travels down the tube until it
dissipates and breaks up.


There must be some optimum distance to place a neutral surface to optimize
the maximum velocity of the shockwave when it hits the surface of the
piston.


If the neutral surface (piston) is placed too close to the spark, the
vortex may not fully develop. If the piston is placed too far from the
spark, the vortex does not feel sufficient electrostatic attraction to
begin its movement toward the piston. In this case, the plasmoid will
expand and contrast in a spherical bubble centered on the spark discharge.



This is why an accelerometer placed on the stem of the piston is an
important experimental tool.


The initial position of the piston could be gradually increased away from
the spark to characterize how the plasmoid accelerates toward the piston
using a time of flight calculation.


The accelerometer will also characterize the force imparted by the plasmoid
as the initial position of the piston is adjusted away from the spark.

Furthermore, the speed of the shockwave goes down as the gas pressure goes
up.

The shockwave moves the fastest when the gas pressure is low. As the gas
pressure increases, the initial speed of the shockwave is decreased.


But the amount of mass that the shockwave carries is increased with
increasing gas pressure.

There is a complex relationship between time of flight and gas pressure
which is hard to predict.


Also, a confining coil that constraints the shockwave to the center of the
cylinder increases the speed of the shockwave by 20%.

It would be interesting to vary the intensity of this axially confining
force to see how the acceleration of the shockwave and the associated power
delivered to the surface of the piston by the plasmoid varies with
confining coil field strength. Here again, the accelerometer is an
important tool that can provide important insights into this dynamic
process.


Cheers:Axil

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> I am interested in the possible association of
> zero-point-energy/electrostatic based supersonic shockwave acceleration
> processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
> cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in the
> Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy
> noble gases.
>
>
> The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix
> might be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large
> cavatation bubble.
>
>
> The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation of
> a single large collapsing cavitation bubble.
>
>
> In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic
> crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure
> plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in ionic
> positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp reaction.
>
>
> I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also
> occurs in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times
> more intense as is happening in water.
>
>
> Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of ionic
> elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.
>
> Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark
> LeClair.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Gqd34R5OQ
>
>
> In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation.
> But  a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking.  LENR
> actually is based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic
> crystals.
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Nigel Dyer]

Having discussed what he appears to have seen with Mark L, I ended up 
coming to the conclusion that there are possibly two separate effects 
that we may need to consider.


First there is whatever it is that happens within the cavitation bubble 
that starts the process off.  In situations where cavitation causes 
damage to nearby surfaces this is probably the only effect in town.


In LeClairs later experiment where there are score lines across the 
surface of metal, I suspect that there is a second self sustaining 
effect, possibly involving bow waves and casimir forces, although I was 
not left totally convinced by LeClair's casimir force explanation.


Whatever it is, it seems that the presence of the metal/water surface is 
important for this second effect to be self sustaining.   It appears 
that there is feedback which results in the projectile neither burrowing 
into the metal or leaving the metal surface.   I feel there is a clue 
here somewhere


Nigel

On 11/11/2012 03:39, Axil Axil wrote:

I am interested in the possible association of
zero-point-energy/electrostatic based supersonic shockwave acceleration
processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in the
Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy
noble gases.


The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix might
be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large cavatation
bubble.


The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation of a
single large collapsing cavitation bubble.


In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic
crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure
plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in ionic
positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp reaction.


I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also occurs
in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times more
intense as is happening in water.


Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of ionic
elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.

Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark
LeClair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Gqd34R5OQ


In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation.
But  a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking.  LENR
actually is based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic
crystals.

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Axil Axil]

The bow shock does not respond with an equal and opposite force because of
a proposed conflict between Newton’s classical First Law of Motion with the
quantum theory based Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal.
The Heisenberg Principal states that highly fixed objects must exhibit a
proportionally highly degree of random momentum. The high degree of bow
shock electron fixedness results in a high degree of random response of
those same electrons to all forces, including both body and surface forces.

A fixed electron on the bow shock pulled towards the crystal by the Casimir
Force responds randomly in momentum magnitude, instead of with a momentum
proportional to the attractive Casimir force. The randomized momentum of
the bow shock electrons collectively form a randomized momentum Heisenberg
Uncertainty Surface (HUS) that wraps around the crystal to form a
randomized momentum Heisenberg Uncertainty Volume (HUV).

Randomized forces exerted on the bow shock electrons of the HUS and the HUV
constrained by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal cannot respond in kind
as an equal and opposite force and so conflict directly with Newton’s laws
of motion. No new science is required, only the realization that Newton’s
Laws are the special case, not the general, as they are with relativity.


Cheers:   Axil



On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:43 AM, David Roberson  wrote:

> The process appears very interesting but I still do not understand what
> material is forced to move in opposition to the high energy forward
> accelerating crystal.  If the electrons are the source of the energy, then
> they would slow down quickly as the energy is fed to the ions I would
> suspect.  I am seeking an understanding of the equivalent to the rocket
> exhaust which carries away the same quantity of momentum as the forward
> accelerating rocket.
>
>  If the Casimir Force can be modulated to be one sided as this seems to
> suggest, then it would appear like a reaction less engine which would be a
> fine discovery.  Another way to consider this question is to ask whether or
> not the center of mass changes during the event.  This does not normally
> happen within a closed system in physics.  Perhaps my question is rather
> vague.
>
>  It would be easier for me to believe that all of the momentum occurs due
> to the collapse of the bubble and the resulting reactionary motion of the
> water.  This would imply that there would be no extra Casimir energy
> required.  Has the energy released by the laser burst been compared to that
> of the water crystal jet?  If less energy is imparted to the work surface
> then there may be no need for extra zero point energy.
>
>  Forgive me if I seem to have a hang up regarding zero point energy as I
> believe that standard CoE is capable of handling this process.  I guess
> that the free lunch has always been just out of my reach!
>
>  Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Axil Axil 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:11 am
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes
>
>  The crystal, moving at supersonic and greater speeds, is surrounding by
> a bow shock like a fighter plane. This supersonic speed is determined by
> the speed of sound of the material that carries the shockwave. The
> positively charged crystal is attracted to its own negatively charged bow
> shock by the Casimir Force and coherently extracts zero point energy on a
> large scale.
> Because electrons are 1800 times lighter than ions at a minimum but up to
> 1,000,000 times lighter than a complex crystal, the electron shockwave
> precedes the ion wave. In the Papp reaction, the electron shock wave
> precedes  the ion shockwave and pulls the ions along with it but does not
> touch it.
> The crystal then accelerates to what appears to be relativistic speeds in
> very short distances. We can get an idea about what this distance is from
> our study of cavatation.
> From cavatation, the plasmoid imparts maximum force when the plasmoid is
> offset by six plasmoid diameters of the substrate wall. This bubble
> standoff distance results in the maximum shockwave impact damage.
>
> Cheers:Axil
>
>  On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:43 PM, David Roberson wrote:
>
>> A thought just occurred to me.  If the ionic crystals are riding upon a
>> force generated by the Casimir effect, does this represent some form of
>> reactionless force?  What is pushed in the opposite direction to compensate
>> for the momentum of the LeClair crystals?  It appears that they exhibit
>> enormous momentum and energy that cuts long grooves into the nearby metals.
>>
>>  Has anyone explored this issue?
>>
>>  Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Axil Axil 
>> To: vortex-l 
>&

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Axil Axil]

The following paper has a video at it bottom that shows what a vortex
shaped plasmoid looks like when it hits the substrate (piston)

http://arxiv.org/pdf/0910.3175


On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> The crystal, moving at supersonic and greater speeds, is surrounding by a
> bow shock like a fighter plane. This supersonic speed is determined by the
> speed of sound of the material that carries the shockwave. The positively
> charged crystal is attracted to its own negatively charged bow shock by the
> Casimir Force and coherently extracts zero point energy on a large scale.
>
> Because electrons are 1800 times lighter than ions at a minimum but up to
> 1,000,000 times lighter than a complex crystal, the electron shockwave
> precedes the ion wave. In the Papp reaction, the electron shock wave
> precedes  the ion shockwave and pulls the ions along with it but does not
> touch it.
>
> The crystal then accelerates to what appears to be relativistic speeds in
> very short distances. We can get an idea about what this distance is from
> our study of cavatation.
>
> From cavatation, the plasmoid imparts maximum force when the plasmoid is
> offset by six plasmoid diameters of the substrate wall. This bubble
> standoff distance results in the maximum shockwave impact damage.
>
>
> Cheers:Axil
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:43 PM, David Roberson wrote:
>
>> A thought just occurred to me.  If the ionic crystals are riding upon a
>> force generated by the Casimir effect, does this represent some form of
>> reactionless force?  What is pushed in the opposite direction to compensate
>> for the momentum of the LeClair crystals?  It appears that they exhibit
>> enormous momentum and energy that cuts long grooves into the nearby metals.
>>
>>  Has anyone explored this issue?
>>
>>  Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Axil Axil 
>> To: vortex-l 
>> Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:39 pm
>> Subject: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes
>>
>>  I am interested in the possible association of
>> zero-point-energy/electrostatic based supersonic shockwave acceleration
>> processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
>> cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in the
>> Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy
>> noble gases.
>>
>> The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix
>> might be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large
>> cavatation bubble.
>>
>> The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation of
>> a single large collapsing cavitation bubble.
>>
>> In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic
>> crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure
>> plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in ionic
>> positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp reaction.
>>
>> I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also
>> occurs in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times
>> more intense as is happening in water.
>>
>> Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of
>> ionic elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.
>> Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark
>> LeClair.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Gqd34R5OQ
>>
>> In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation.
>> But  a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking.  LENR
>> actually is based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic
>> crystals.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[David Roberson]

The process appears very interesting but I still do not understand what 
material is forced to move in opposition to the high energy forward 
accelerating crystal.  If the electrons are the source of the energy, then they 
would slow down quickly as the energy is fed to the ions I would suspect.  I am 
seeking an understanding of the equivalent to the rocket exhaust which carries 
away the same quantity of momentum as the forward accelerating rocket.


If the Casimir Force can be modulated to be one sided as this seems to suggest, 
then it would appear like a reaction less engine which would be a fine 
discovery.  Another way to consider this question is to ask whether or not the 
center of mass changes during the event.  This does not normally happen within 
a closed system in physics.  Perhaps my question is rather vague.


It would be easier for me to believe that all of the momentum occurs due to the 
collapse of the bubble and the resulting reactionary motion of the water.  This 
would imply that there would be no extra Casimir energy required.  Has the 
energy released by the laser burst been compared to that of the water crystal 
jet?  If less energy is imparted to the work surface then there may be no need 
for extra zero point energy.


Forgive me if I seem to have a hang up regarding zero point energy as I believe 
that standard CoE is capable of handling this process.  I guess that the free 
lunch has always been just out of my reach!   


Dave  



-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:11 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes


The crystal, moving at supersonic and greater speeds, is surrounding by a bow 
shock like a fighter plane. This supersonic speed is determined by the speed of 
sound of the material that carries the shockwave. The positively charged 
crystal is attracted to its own negatively charged bow shock by the Casimir 
Force and coherently extracts zero point energy on a large scale. 
Because electrons are 1800 times lighter than ions at a minimum but up to 
1,000,000 times lighter than a complex crystal, the electron shockwave precedes 
the ion wave. In the Papp reaction, the electron shock wave precedes  the ion 
shockwave and pulls the ions along with it but does not touch it.
The crystal then accelerates to what appears to be relativistic speeds in very 
short distances. We can get an idea about what this distance is from our study 
of cavatation.
>From cavatation, the plasmoid imparts maximum force when the plasmoid is 
>offset by six plasmoid diameters of the substrate wall. This bubble standoff 
>distance results in the maximum shockwave impact damage. 

Cheers:Axil


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:43 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

A thought just occurred to me.  If the ionic crystals are riding upon a force 
generated by the Casimir effect, does this represent some form of reactionless 
force?  What is pushed in the opposite direction to compensate for the momentum 
of the LeClair crystals?  It appears that they exhibit enormous momentum and 
energy that cuts long grooves into the nearby metals.


Has anyone explored this issue?


Dave




-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:39 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes


I am interested in the possible association of zero-point-energy/electrostatic 
based supersonic shockwave acceleration processes that occur as a consequence 
of ionic crystal formation during cavatation bubble collapse and the closely 
related plasma reaction in the Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid 
formation process in heavy noble gases.

The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix might be 
analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large cavatation bubble.

The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation of a 
single large collapsing cavitation bubble.

In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic 
crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure 
plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in ionic 
positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp reaction.

I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also occurs in 
liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times more intense 
as is happening in water.

Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of ionic 
elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.
Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark LeClair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Gqd34R5OQ

In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation. But  
a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking.  LENR actually is 
based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic crystals.

 
 




 

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Axil Axil]

The crystal, moving at supersonic and greater speeds, is surrounding by a
bow shock like a fighter plane. This supersonic speed is determined by the
speed of sound of the material that carries the shockwave. The positively
charged crystal is attracted to its own negatively charged bow shock by the
Casimir Force and coherently extracts zero point energy on a large scale.

Because electrons are 1800 times lighter than ions at a minimum but up to
1,000,000 times lighter than a complex crystal, the electron shockwave
precedes the ion wave. In the Papp reaction, the electron shock wave
precedes  the ion shockwave and pulls the ions along with it but does not
touch it.

The crystal then accelerates to what appears to be relativistic speeds in
very short distances. We can get an idea about what this distance is from
our study of cavatation.

>From cavatation, the plasmoid imparts maximum force when the plasmoid is
offset by six plasmoid diameters of the substrate wall. This bubble
standoff distance results in the maximum shockwave impact damage.


Cheers:Axil

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:43 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> A thought just occurred to me.  If the ionic crystals are riding upon a
> force generated by the Casimir effect, does this represent some form of
> reactionless force?  What is pushed in the opposite direction to compensate
> for the momentum of the LeClair crystals?  It appears that they exhibit
> enormous momentum and energy that cuts long grooves into the nearby metals.
>
>  Has anyone explored this issue?
>
>  Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Axil Axil 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:39 pm
> Subject: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes
>
>  I am interested in the possible association of
> zero-point-energy/electrostatic based supersonic shockwave acceleration
> processes that occur as a consequence of ionic crystal formation during
> cavatation bubble collapse and the closely related plasma reaction in the
> Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid formation process in heavy
> noble gases.
>
> The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix
> might be analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large
> cavatation bubble.
>
> The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation of
> a single large collapsing cavitation bubble.
>
> In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic
> crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure
> plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in ionic
> positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp reaction.
>
> I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also
> occurs in liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times
> more intense as is happening in water.
>
> Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of ionic
> elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.
> Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark
> LeClair.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Gqd34R5OQ
>
> In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation.
> But  a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking.  LENR
> actually is based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic
> crystals.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[David Roberson]

A thought just occurred to me.  If the ionic crystals are riding upon a force 
generated by the Casimir effect, does this represent some form of reactionless 
force?  What is pushed in the opposite direction to compensate for the momentum 
of the LeClair crystals?  It appears that they exhibit enormous momentum and 
energy that cuts long grooves into the nearby metals.


Has anyone explored this issue?


Dave



-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:39 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes


I am interested in the possible association of zero-point-energy/electrostatic 
based supersonic shockwave acceleration processes that occur as a consequence 
of ionic crystal formation during cavatation bubble collapse and the closely 
related plasma reaction in the Papp engine which might occur in the plasmoid 
formation process in heavy noble gases.

The Plasmoid that is formed by the spark discharge in a noble gas mix might be 
analogous to what happens in the collapse of a single large cavatation bubble.

The Plasmoid both acts like and might be thought of as a manifestation of a 
single large collapsing cavitation bubble.

In more detail, what Mark LeClair has observed as positive ionic 
crystallization formation in water that is catalyzed in the high pressure 
plasma generation during cavatation in water may also be happening in ionic 
positively charge  krypton and xenon crystal formation in the Papp reaction.

I believe that this idea is justifiable since cavatation damage also occurs in 
liquid sodium and molten salt pumps at levels of up to ten times more intense 
as is happening in water.

Positive ionic crystallization formation can happen in many types of ionic 
elements and chemical compounds in both liquids and gases.
Here is a recent YouTube based interview covering cavitation with Mark LeClair.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Gqd34R5OQ

In this interview, Mark LeClair believes that LENR happens in cavatation. But  
a deeper level of abstraction is needed in his thinking.  LENR actually is 
based on the action of positively charged ionic super-atomic crystals.

 
 

Re: [Vo]:Supersonic shockwave acceleration processes

[Terry Blanton]

Geeze, cavitation and Papp association.  I really must welcome all the
folks who have joined us in the past couple of years!