Re: [WAMUG] Mail V 12.4

[FW via WAMUG]

Thank you Rod

> On 24 Jun 2024, at 07:20 , Rod Blitvich via WAMUG  
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>   Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
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>   On 23 Jun 2024, at 6:11 PM, FW via WAMUG 
>   wrote:
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>   Good Evening all,
>   I have lost the mailbox “All mailboxes” which is normally on top.
>   I now need to check mailbox iCloud and iiNet separately.
>   It has slipped down to the bottom.
>   How can I move it back to the top ?
>   Have tried to move it but it slippes back to the bottom.
>   Thank you for any suggestions.
>   Cheers
>   Walter
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Re: [WAMUG] Mail V 12.4

[Rod Blitvich via WAMUG]

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254986503?sortBy=best



Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
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> On 23 Jun 2024, at 6:11 PM, FW via WAMUG  wrote:
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> Good Evening all,
> 
> I have lost the mailbox “All mailboxes” which is normally on top.
> I now need to check mailbox iCloud and iiNet separately.
> 
> It has slipped down to the bottom.
> How can I move it back to the top ?
> 
> Have tried to move it but it slippes back to the bottom.
> 
> Thank you for any suggestions.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Walter
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Re: [WAMUG] WWDC 2024 breakdown

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

All sounds very interesting.  

I’m in Singapore at the moment so will expect bleary eyed people here too. 

Thanks for your summary. 

Tim Law

> On 11 Jun 2024, at 3:26 AM, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
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> (If links don’t work, they do on the News page on my website) - 
> https://macwizardry.com.au/news.html
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> 
> WWDC (World Wide Developers Conference) Summary
> 
> Apple just had the WWDC 2024 and below I’ve summarised some of the 
> interesting information for updates to the software, with links to more info 
> if available. Definitely plenty to read and look into, so will be interesting 
> to follow it all over the next few months before it’s available.
> 
> visionOS 2
> update to version 2, after just 4 months of release. Lots of new Apps and 
> features all coming. Larger “screens” coming to Vision Pro.
> You can read more about visionOS here.
> Apple Vision Pro available July 12th in Australia.
> 
> iOS 18
> More Home Screen customisation, and layouts. More Control Centre 
> customisation.. Higher level of privacy and security. Lock/Hide Apps. 
> Categories for Mail. Updates to Maps, Wallet, Journal, Photos (biggest 
> redesign ever), Game Mode for iPhone. RCS Messages support (for sending 
> better messaeges to non-iPhones).
> More information here.
> 
> Updates to AirPod Pro’s. Nod or Shake head to take or decline a phone call.
> 
> tvOS 18
> Insight (look up info when watching), updates to sound and subtitles. Updates 
> to screensaver (including Snoopy and Woodstock!).
> More information here.
> 
> watchOS 11
> new “active” updates. New health app - Vitals App (with alerts). New 
> Translation App. Updates to Smart Stack. Redesigned Photos face, …and more.
> 
> iPadOS 18
> All the changes on iOS18 plus more. Floating tab bar - can morph into side 
> bar (for more options).  Screen share (and control) via SharePlay/Freeform. 
> Calculator to iPad (finally) and “Math Notes feature. Also into Notes as 
> well. Handwriting - “Smart Script” updates. (Tidies up your writing as you 
> go), “scratch out” to remove handwritten text.
> More information here.
> 
> macOS 15
> Code named “Sequoia”. Updates to messages, Math Notes in Notes. Continuity 
> updates. (iPhone mirroring - control your iPhone even when it’s in the other 
> room - mirrored in an App). Background replacement in video calls. Building 
> on Keychain Access, new Passwords App to make it all easier. Passwords App on 
> all devices (and syncs) with iCloud. Updates to Safari (including 
> “Highlights” to help webpages display information better. Viewer for better 
> video handling). Photos update, Gaming updates. And more…
> You can read more information about it here.
> 
> Apple intelligence (AI)
> Personal intelligence that understands “you”. Protects privacy, integrated 
> with Apps.
> Capabilities - language, Images, Action, Personal Context. - makes day to day 
> tasks easier. New writing tools to help what you write.
> Images - create images from your photos / contacts. Sketch, illustration and 
> Animation. System wide.
> Action - operate things a lot more with a lot more ease.
> Personal Context. - retrieve and analyse a lot more of the personal data into 
> more useful information.
> 
> With Apple Intelligence built with a lot more privacy at the core. On device 
> processing (instead of going to the cloud). Aware of your data without 
> “collecting” your data. All the power needed with the A17 Pro, M1 through to 
> M4 chips makes it all possible.
> If needs to use the cloud, it uses Private Cloud Compute (for larger server 
> work needed, but still keeps your data private. And you’re in control of the 
> privacy. Data never stored or made accessible to Apple. Used only for your 
> request. Verifiable privacy promise. A brand new standard for AI from Apple.
> Will expand your experiences across all devices. Increase in how Siri works 
> and helps. (1.5 billion Siri requests are made per day). Siri more natural, 
> more relevant and more personal to you. Can now type to Siri (if don’t want 
> to talk - can switch between talk or type).
> On-screen awareness. In-App Actions. More features rolling out all the time.
> Will be able to do a lot more with Siri and Apple intelligence without 
> affecting your privacy. Apps and “tasks” all working together without having 
> to to change from one App to another. All on devices and Mac. Rewrite, 
> proofread and summarise for things you write - across all Apps.
> Can’t find the right emoji - can now use “Genmoji” to create your own. Just 
> tell it what you’re wanting and it “makes” it for you. And can tie in with 
> “image Playground” to take images even further. A new Image Playground App to 
> make it easier to play around with it as well.
> Image Wand - circle and image and it helps create a “better image”. New Clean 
> Up tool to fix up photos easily. Very easy to “Create a memory movie”.
> Recordings can be transcribed. All still with privacy at the forefront. Can 
> also tap 

Re: [WAMUG] Has anyone else noticed?

[Peter Hinchliffe via WAMUG]

   You’ll need to check that out. I can’t remember the last time I even
   looked at Google Earth. I think all of these mapping programs use the
   same fundamental resources, so it’s highly likely that the changes are
   there as well.

   On 5 Jun 2024, at 9:12 am, FW via WAMUG 
   wrote:

   Is this in Google Earth ?

 On 5 Jun 2024, at 09:03 , Peter Hinchliffe via WAMUG
  wrote:
  It seems the Satellite view over Perth has been updated very
 recently:
  with in the past week at some stage it seems. Optus Arena is no
 longer
  a barren building site, and Elizabeth Quay has most of it’s
 buildings
  in place. The 3D view is finally interesting again. I haven't had
 time
  do do much more exploring, but there’s no reason to believe that
 the
  rest of the map has not been updated accordingly. It might actually
 now
  be possible to start making sense of some of the spaghetti-like
 road
  intersections springing up around the place. The changes are not
 recent
  enough to show the work being sone on the Perth-Armadale train
 line,
  but at least the maps are no longer over 5 years old.
  Kind regards,
  Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
  Claris FileMaker Pro Associate Solutions Developer
  Perth, Western Australia
  Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
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Re: [WAMUG] Has anyone else noticed?

[FW via WAMUG]

Is this in Google Earth ?

> On 5 Jun 2024, at 09:03 , Peter Hinchliffe via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
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>   It seems the Satellite view over Perth has been updated very recently:
>   with in the past week at some stage it seems. Optus Arena is no longer
>   a barren building site, and Elizabeth Quay has most of it’s buildings
>   in place. The 3D view is finally interesting again. I haven't had time
>   do do much more exploring, but there’s no reason to believe that the
>   rest of the map has not been updated accordingly. It might actually now
>   be possible to start making sense of some of the spaghetti-like road
>   intersections springing up around the place. The changes are not recent
>   enough to show the work being sone on the Perth-Armadale train line,
>   but at least the maps are no longer over 5 years old.
> 
>   Kind regards,
>   Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>   Claris FileMaker Pro Associate Solutions Developer
>   Perth, Western Australia
>   Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>   
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Re: [WAMUG] Apple TV Remote

[Marcus Harris via WAMUG]

Thanks very much Daniel. 
Yes it’s strange that it’s not an App.
I found it as you instructed 
Thanks again 
Marcus 
Marcus Harris
Mobile +61417965618

 

> On 23 May 2024, at 10:01 PM, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
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> Hi Marcus
> 
> If you tap in the top right corner (which normally is where the battery 
> indicator is) and then drag down, this will activate control centre.
> You’ll see a lot of various icons. Normally the Remote one will then be in 
> the bottom left corner. (And looks like a Siri Remote from the AppleTV).
> Once tapped on to that, it should then activate the Remote window.
> 
> There is no longer the Apple Remote App. It used to be on the App Store, but 
> they (Apple) pulled it when they added it to the Control Centre. If people 
> had downloaded it before, they still have access to it - but it just 
> duplicated what the Control Centre window does.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
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>> On 23 May 2024, at 9:14 PM, Marcus Harris via WAMUG 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi members,
>> I would like to use my iPhone 15 iOS 17.4.1
>> as an Apple TV remote.
>> The online instruction is
>> Settings
>> Control Centre
>> View Apple TV Remote
>> Tap on the icon to reveal the remote screen.
>> I must have misread or misinterpreted that because tapping on the icon does 
>> nothing.
>> I then looked for an Apple TV remote app.. can’t see that either.
>> Can anyone provide a work around to reveal the remote screen. Please
>> Marcus
>> Marcus Harris
>> Mobile +61417965618
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Re: [WAMUG] Apple TV Remote

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Marcus

If you tap in the top right corner (which normally is where the battery 
indicator is) and then drag down, this will activate control centre.
You’ll see a lot of various icons. Normally the Remote one will then be in the 
bottom left corner. (And looks like a Siri Remote from the AppleTV).
Once tapped on to that, it should then activate the Remote window.

There is no longer the Apple Remote App. It used to be on the App Store, but 
they (Apple) pulled it when they added it to the Control Centre. If people had 
downloaded it before, they still have access to it - but it just duplicated 
what the Control Centre window does.

Kind regards
Daniel

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requested. 

> On 23 May 2024, at 9:14 PM, Marcus Harris via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi members,
> I would like to use my iPhone 15 iOS 17.4.1
> as an Apple TV remote. 
> The online instruction is 
> Settings 
> Control Centre 
> View Apple TV Remote
> Tap on the icon to reveal the remote screen.
> I must have misread or misinterpreted that because tapping on the icon does 
> nothing.
> I then looked for an Apple TV remote app.. can’t see that either.
> Can anyone provide a work around to reveal the remote screen. Please
> Marcus 
> Marcus Harris
> Mobile +61417965618
> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Problem linking one iMac to another iMac

[Matt Falvey via WAMUG]

   Hi Neil, thanks very much for the very welcome reply.

   I just tried your suggested method of linking the two iMacs together.
   (Which is my normal go to method and the one I use first, I use the
   smb-gateway when this this doesn’t work. I had tried it multiply times
   the other day without any success.)

   Anyway for some unknown reason it worked!! And to make things even
   better the files that didn’t populate previously are all now showing
   all of their contents!

   So problem solved, how I don’t know, but thanks very much for taking
   the time to reply. If you hadn’t I wouldn’t have tried it again and I
   would still be sending emails from one iMac to the other to transfer
   and store documents.

   Take care.
   Matt

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   From: Neil Houghton 
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   Subject: Re: [WAMUG] Problem linking one iMac to another iMac
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   Hi Matt,
   I don't have much idea about the smb-gateway stuff - not a method I use
   - and I have rarely used the ?Server Address in the Connect to Server
   method (and that was a long time ago).
   So I'm just throwing up a couple of ideas here - and apologies if it is
   not really relevant to your situation:
   I also have? different machines, running different OSX versions, on my
   network and nowadays I always just use the finder to access folders on
   another machine.
   First off go to your finder settings and make sure that, in the sidebar
   tab - under locations, you have the box for your computer (eg your
   MattiMac2015) ticked.
   Then, in a finder window, in the sidebar,go to locations and select
   your computer and typically you would see two items: your HD and
   network.
   Select network and you should see any other computers also on your
   network. Select the computer you want to connect to and take it from
   there.
   This may just give you the same result as you are getting with your
   remote volumes access.
   With regard to your Desktop & Documents Folders, it strikes me that
   these are the folders that you can synch with iCloud drive ? ie
   The Desktop & Documents Folders feature of iCloud Drive lets you decide
   whether those two folders are stored only on your local Mac's hard
   drive, or as part of iCloud Drive and available across all of your
   Apple devices.
   So maybe check how you have this set-up across both machines ? I would
   have thought that if you have enabled this feature on both machines you
   would have no need to go to your other computer since both computers
   would keep these folders synched with the folders on iCloud drive?
   Anyway, just some thoughts off the top of my head.
   HTH
   Cheers
   Neil
   ?On 18/5/2024, 16:56, "WAMUG on behalf of Matt Falvey via WAMUG"
   mailto:wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au> on behalf of
   wa...@lists.wamug.org.au <mailto:wa...@lists.wamug.org.au>> wrote:
   Hi, I have just bought an iMac that is running Monterey 12.7.4 and I am
   having problems with file sharing it to another iMac running High
   Sierra 10.13.6.
   I have file sharing on on both in System Preferences.
   On the Monterey iMac on it says it can be reached and and gives me the
   smb - gateway address. When I go to Finder>go>Connect to Server on the
   High Sierra iMac, the Monterey iMac smb - gateway address doesn?t show.
   (My other ones do.)
   I click Browse and instead of it finding and displaying the smb -
   gateway in the Connect to Server window, Server Address, it opens a new
   Network window with :
   Remote Volumes> Network>Mac>MattiMac2015 (theMontereyiMac) and and
   arrow allowing me to open more files, which if I click on it show me
   the HD name and my User Name
   But also listed under Remote Volumes is My User name ?Matt?, when I
   click on that it lists all the main folders, Applications, Calibre
   Library, Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Incomplete, Library, Media,
   Movies, Music, Pictures, Sites, To be Worked on.
   All of them open and show the various sub folders and files EXCEPT:
   Desktop, Documents & Download

Re: [WAMUG] Problem linking one iMac to another iMac

[Neil Houghton via WAMUG]

   Hi Matt,


   I don't have much idea about the smb-gateway stuff - not a method I use
   - and I have rarely used the  Server Address in the Connect to Server
   method (and that was a long time ago).


   So I'm just throwing up a couple of ideas here - and apologies if it is
   not really relevant to your situation:


   I also have  different machines, running different OSX versions, on my
   network and nowadays I always just use the finder to access folders on
   another machine.
 * First off go to your finder settings and make sure that, in the
   sidebar tab - under locations, you have the box for your computer
   (eg your MattiMac2015) ticked.
 * Then, in a finder window, in the sidebar,go to locations and select
   your computer and typically you would see two items: your HD and
   network.
 * Select network and you should see any other computers also on your
   network. Select the computer you want to connect to and take it
   from there.
 * This may just give you the same result as you are getting with your
   remote volumes access.


   With regard to your Desktop & Documents Folders, it strikes me that
   these are the folders that you can synch with iCloud drive – ie
 * The Desktop & Documents Folders feature of iCloud Drive lets you
   decide whether those two folders are stored only on your local
   Mac's hard drive, or as part of iCloud Drive and available across
   all of your Apple devices.

   So maybe check how you have this set-up across both machines – I would
   have thought that if you have enabled this feature on both machines you
   would have no need to go to your other computer since both computers
   would keep these folders synched with the folders on iCloud drive?


   Anyway, just some thoughts off the top of my head.


   HTH



   Cheers



   Neil




   On 18/5/2024, 16:56, "WAMUG on behalf of Matt Falvey via WAMUG"
   mailto:wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au> on behalf of
   wa...@lists.wamug.org.au > wrote:



   Hi, I have just bought an iMac that is running Monterey 12.7.4 and I am

   having problems with file sharing it to another iMac running High

   Sierra 10.13.6.



   I have file sharing on on both in System Preferences.



   On the Monterey iMac on it says it can be reached and and gives me the

   smb - gateway address. When I go to Finder>go>Connect to Server on the

   High Sierra iMac, the Monterey iMac smb - gateway address doesn’t show.

   (My other ones do.)



   I click Browse and instead of it finding and displaying the smb -

   gateway in the Connect to Server window, Server Address, it opens a new

   Network window with :



   Remote Volumes> Network>Mac>MattiMac2015 (theMontereyiMac) and and

   arrow allowing me to open more files, which if I click on it show me

   the HD name and my User Name



   But also listed under Remote Volumes is My User name “Matt”, when I

   click on that it lists all the main folders, Applications, Calibre

   Library, Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Incomplete, Library, Media,

   Movies, Music, Pictures, Sites, To be Worked on.



   All of them open and show the various sub folders and files EXCEPT:

   Desktop, Documents & Downloads.



   Desktop & Documents folders have a small triangle next to their names

   but nothing opens when clicking on it, the Downloads folder does not

   have the triangle instead it has an arrow in the bottom right hand

   corner.



   If anyone is able to let me know how to find the smb - gateway address

   via the Server Address in the Connect to Server window that would be

   great.



   And if anyone can let me know how to make the Desktop, Documents and

   Downloads folder show their contents, (Documents being the priority in

   sharing), just as the other are, well at least that would be a

   secondary way of connecting the two iMacs if I can’t do it via smb -

   gateway.



   Take care.

   Matt

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Re: [WAMUG] E-mail.

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Hi Tony.

   I am guessing you mean email (not r-mail) … the r and e keys are next
   to each other.

   This is a guess … but perhaps give your provider a call.

   It could be their issue.

   On 10 May 2024, at 11:11 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG
wrote:

   Good Morning fellow Wamuggers,
   I am having a problem with my r-mail. I can receive mail but I can’t
   send mail, I have tried to follow the instructions on the computer and
   on line but still no success. Any ideas please?
   Kind regards
   Tony
   Boddington
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Re: [WAMUG] Re; Beeping iMac and a question mark

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   And a bit of an adventure getting to look inside the Mac too 浪

   On 17 Apr 2024, at 12:25 pm, Matt Falvey 
   wrote:

   Thanks, Stephen that is a very good idea, removes any doubt.
   Take care.
   Matt

   Regards
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[WAMUG] Re; Beeping iMac and a question mark

[Matt Falvey via WAMUG]

   Thanks, Stephen that is a very good idea, removes any doubt.

   Take care.
   Matt
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Re: [WAMUG] Beeping iMac and a question mark

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Hi Matt.

   If it were me, I would open the Mac, pull out the HD and break it up.

   On 17 Apr 2024, at 11:20 am, Matt Falvey via WAMUG
wrote:

 Hi Daniel, thanks for the reply.
 I have a recent Super Duper Back up and I hardly used the iMac so I
 don’t think there will be too much missed.
 Just concerned now about how to erase the HD on the iMac before
   getting
 rid of it.
 I will be contacting off list in a while re a replacement.
 Take care.
 Matt
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 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 14:51:44 +0800
 From: Matt Falvey 
 To: Wamug List 
 Subject: [WAMUG] Beeping iMac and a question mark
 Message-ID: <52eb9192-3eac-4b22-bd6b-cec2847d8...@bigpond.net.au>
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 Hi, I have an iMac 27? 2.8Ghz Corei7, (Late 2009).
 This morning when I woke it from sleep it started emitting a
   continuous
 beep sound, it was still showing screen pages and images, but with a
 black background.
 I was unable to control anything. so I pressed the button to shut it
 down and restarted it. When I restarted it all I had was a white
   screen
 and a continuous beeping sound.
 I again turned it off and did an SMC reset, unplugging the power cord
 and all the peripherals, turned it back on white screen and beeping.
 I did a PRAM reset, turned it back on and had the same result. (There
 was no grey screen and no start up sound).
 As I was searching the internet to see what more I could possibly do,
   I
 let it continue to beep in the background, after about 5 minutes, the
 beeping stopped and now I have a flashing grey folder with a white
 question mark inside it.
 Does anyone have any idea as to what else I may be able to do to fix
 the problem?
 Take care.
 Matt
 -- next part --
   Hi, I have an iMac 27? 2.8Ghz Corei7, (Late 2009).
   This morning when I woke it from sleep it started emitting a
 continuous
   beep sound, it was still showing screen pages and images, but with
   a
   black background.
   I was unable to control anything. so I pressed the button to shut
   it
   down and restarted it. When I restarted it all I had was a white
 screen
   and a continuous beeping sound.
   I again turned it off and did an SMC reset, unplugging the power
   cord
   and all the peripherals, turned it back on white screen and
   beeping.
   I did a PRAM reset, turned it back on and had the same result.
   (There
   was no grey screen and no start up sound).
   As I was searching the internet to see what more I could possibly
   do,
 I
   let it continue to beep in the background, after about 5 minutes,
   the
   beeping stopped and now I have a flashing grey folder with a white
   question mark inside it.
   Does anyone have any idea as to what else I may be able to do to
   fix
   the problem?
   Take care.
   Matt
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 Message: 2
 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 18:40:12 +0800
 From: Daniel Kerr 
 To: WAMUG 
 Subject: Re: [WAMUG] Beeping iMac and a question mark
 Message-ID: 
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
 Hi Matt
 If it?s doing 3 beeps, then a pause, then 3 more beeps that?s an
   issue
 with the RAM.
 But if it?s doing one long continuous beep than unfortunately that?s
   a
 bit more servere - it generally means there is an issue with graphics
 card, firmware issue or logic board/motherboard. And given it?s not
 booting off a drive (which is what the folder icon means with a
 flashing question mark - it can?t find the boot drive), then I?d say
 unfortunately that iMac has most likely ?died?.
 Given the age of it, you?d be hard pressed to get any parts or get it
 fixed unfortunately. So only thing you could really do is take the
   hard
 drive out (and hopefully it?s still ok with data on it), then either
 transfer that to another iMac or put it into an external case to
   access
 the data.
 But generally if an S

Re: [WAMUG] Beeping iMac and a question mark

[Matt Falvey via WAMUG]

   Hi Daniel, thanks for the reply.

   I have a recent Super Duper Back up and I hardly used the iMac so I
   don’t think there will be too much missed.

   Just concerned now about how to erase the HD on the iMac before getting
   rid of it.

   I will be contacting off list in a while re a replacement.

   Take care.
   Matt

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   Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 14:51:44 +0800
   From: Matt Falvey 
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   Subject: [WAMUG] Beeping iMac and a question mark
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   Hi, I have an iMac 27? 2.8Ghz Corei7, (Late 2009).
   This morning when I woke it from sleep it started emitting a continuous
   beep sound, it was still showing screen pages and images, but with a
   black background.
   I was unable to control anything. so I pressed the button to shut it
   down and restarted it. When I restarted it all I had was a white screen
   and a continuous beeping sound.
   I again turned it off and did an SMC reset, unplugging the power cord
   and all the peripherals, turned it back on white screen and beeping.
   I did a PRAM reset, turned it back on and had the same result. (There
   was no grey screen and no start up sound).
   As I was searching the internet to see what more I could possibly do, I
   let it continue to beep in the background, after about 5 minutes, the
   beeping stopped and now I have a flashing grey folder with a white
   question mark inside it.
   Does anyone have any idea as to what else I may be able to do to fix
   the problem?
   Take care.
   Matt
   -- next part --
 Hi, I have an iMac 27? 2.8Ghz Corei7, (Late 2009).
 This morning when I woke it from sleep it started emitting a
   continuous
 beep sound, it was still showing screen pages and images, but with a
 black background.
 I was unable to control anything. so I pressed the button to shut it
 down and restarted it. When I restarted it all I had was a white
   screen
 and a continuous beeping sound.
 I again turned it off and did an SMC reset, unplugging the power cord
 and all the peripherals, turned it back on white screen and beeping.
 I did a PRAM reset, turned it back on and had the same result. (There
 was no grey screen and no start up sound).
 As I was searching the internet to see what more I could possibly do,
   I
 let it continue to beep in the background, after about 5 minutes, the
 beeping stopped and now I have a flashing grey folder with a white
 question mark inside it.
 Does anyone have any idea as to what else I may be able to do to fix
 the problem?
 Take care.
 Matt
   --
   Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 18:40:12 +0800
   From: Daniel Kerr 
   To: WAMUG 
   Subject: Re: [WAMUG] Beeping iMac and a question mark
   Message-ID: 
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
   Hi Matt
   If it?s doing 3 beeps, then a pause, then 3 more beeps that?s an issue
   with the RAM.
   But if it?s doing one long continuous beep than unfortunately that?s a
   bit more servere - it generally means there is an issue with graphics
   card, firmware issue or logic board/motherboard. And given it?s not
   booting off a drive (which is what the folder icon means with a
   flashing question mark - it can?t find the boot drive), then I?d say
   unfortunately that iMac has most likely ?died?.
   Given the age of it, you?d be hard pressed to get any parts or get it
   fixed unfortunately. So only thing you could really do is take the hard
   drive out (and hopefully it?s still ok with data on it), then either
   transfer that to another iMac or put it into an external case to access
   the data.
   But generally if an SMC, PRAM reset won?t start it, it?s not a great
   sign.
   You can sometimes a) boot off an external boot drive with a system on
   it or b) try starting it in Target Mode into another computer to see if
   can access the drive still. But if it doesn?t work in either then I?d
   say it?s gone I?m afraid.
   Kind regards
   Daniel
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Re: [WAMUG] Beeping iMac and a question mark

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Matt

If it’s doing 3 beeps, then a pause, then 3 more beeps that’s an issue with the 
RAM.
But if it’s doing one long continuous beep than unfortunately that’s a bit more 
servere - it generally means there is an issue with graphics card, firmware 
issue or logic board/motherboard. And given it’s not booting off a drive (which 
is what the folder icon means with a flashing question mark - it can’t find the 
boot drive), then I’d say unfortunately that iMac has most likely “died”.
Given the age of it, you’d be hard pressed to get any parts or get it fixed 
unfortunately. So only thing you could really do is take the hard drive out 
(and hopefully it’s still ok with data on it), then either transfer that to 
another iMac or put it into an external case to access the data.

But generally if an SMC, PRAM reset won’t start it, it’s not a great sign.
You can sometimes a) boot off an external boot drive with a system on it or b) 
try starting it in Target Mode into another computer to see if can access the 
drive still. But if it doesn’t work in either then I’d say it’s gone I’m afraid.

Kind regards
Daniel
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> On 16 Apr 2024, at 2:51 PM, Matt Falvey via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
>   Hi, I have an iMac 27” 2.8Ghz Corei7, (Late 2009).
> 
>   This morning when I woke it from sleep it started emitting a continuous
>   beep sound, it was still showing screen pages and images, but with a
>   black background.
> 
>   I was unable to control anything. so I pressed the button to shut it
>   down and restarted it. When I restarted it all I had was a white screen
>   and a continuous beeping sound.
> 
>   I again turned it off and did an SMC reset, unplugging the power cord
>   and all the peripherals, turned it back on white screen and beeping.
> 
>   I did a PRAM reset, turned it back on and had the same result. (There
>   was no grey screen and no start up sound).
> 
>   As I was searching the internet to see what more I could possibly do, I
>   let it continue to beep in the background, after about 5 minutes, the
>   beeping stopped and now I have a flashing grey folder with a white
>   question mark inside it.
> 
>   Does anyone have any idea as to what else I may be able to do to fix
>   the problem?
> 
>   Take care.
>   Matt
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Re: [WAMUG] Strange issue logging in to iCloud ??

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Thank you very much Daniel.

   I hardly ever log in to [1]iCloud.com like that.

   So I must have forgotten that procedure.

   Anyway your assistance was very welcome.

   PS: I have seen no posts from Ronnie for a long time.

   Do you (or anyone else) know if she is OK?

   On 11 Mar 2024, at 9:14 am, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi Stephen
   Generally if it’s the window you’re describing asking to use the “usual
   AppleID” then the password it actually wants is your computer password.
   (As it most likely has your AppleID password saved into a special
   encrypted token), so it’s then asking you to enter your computer
   password to “authorise” the computer to access that token.
   So when it pops up, you just enter your computer password and it will
   then log in as per normal.
   It’s so you can use your own AppleID on your own computer, but if
   someone else a) tried to access it that can’t - without knowing your
   computer password or b) someone else can log in to their AppleID had
   they want to check something.
   But your normal computer password should then take you to the step
   without having to go the long way you mentioned.
   Kind regards
   Daniel
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 On 10 Mar 2024, at 10:32 AM, Stephen Chape via WAMUG
  wrote:
  Hi folks.
  When I try to log in to iCloud.
  I am asked if I want to use my usual Apple ID "cha...@mac.com"
  If I choose yes to this, my password will not work.
  But if I choose “use a different Apple ID”
  Then type in my usual “cha...@mac.com”
  My password lets me in.
  In the words of Professor Julius Sumner Miller.
  “why is this so?”
  Any words of wisdom regarding this will be thankfully received !!
  Regards
  Stephen Chape
  Mac by choice
  Windows because my employer knew no better
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Re: [WAMUG] Strange issue logging in to iCloud ??

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Stephen

Generally if it’s the window you’re describing asking to use the “usual 
AppleID” then the password it actually wants is your computer password.
(As it most likely has your AppleID password saved into a special encrypted 
token), so it’s then asking you to enter your computer password to “authorise” 
the computer to access that token.
So when it pops up, you just enter your computer password and it will then log 
in as per normal.

It’s so you can use your own AppleID on your own computer, but if someone else 
a) tried to access it that can’t - without knowing your computer password or b) 
someone else can log in to their AppleID had they want to check something.

But your normal computer password should then take you to the step without 
having to go the long way you mentioned.

Kind regards
Daniel

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> On 10 Mar 2024, at 10:32 AM, Stephen Chape via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Hi folks.
> 
>   When I try to log in to iCloud.
> 
>   I am asked if I want to use my usual Apple ID "cha...@mac.com"
> 
>   If I choose yes to this, my password will not work.
> 
>   But if I choose “use a different Apple ID”
> 
>   Then type in my usual “cha...@mac.com”
> 
>   My password lets me in.
> 
>   In the words of Professor Julius Sumner Miller.
> 
>   “why is this so?”
> 
>   Any words of wisdom regarding this will be thankfully received !!
> 
>   Regards
>   Stephen Chape
>   Mac by choice
>   Windows because my employer knew no better
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Re: [WAMUG] Strange issue logging in to iCloud ??

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Thank you Peter … but I do not use safari to log in.

   I do so manually.

   However I looked where you suggested in Safari.

   But it tells me it has no password recorded.

   So back to square one !!

   On 10 Mar 2024, at 1:07 pm, Peter Hinchliffe via WAMUG
wrote:

 My only suggestion is:
 If you’re logging with Safari, go to Safari > Settings > Passwords
   and
 find the entry for your iCloud login. You can’t edit it, so delete it
 using the — symbol at the botton of the passwords list. Close the
 window and try logging in again. This time Keychain will ask again if
 you want to save your login and password. Say OK and move on.
   Hopefully
 this will fix the problem. Please note this will not necessarily work
 for other browsers because they won’t work the same way with
   Keychain.
 On 10 Mar 2024, at 10:32 am, Stephen Chape via WAMUG
  wrote:
   Hi folks.
   When I try to log in to iCloud.
   I am asked if I want to use my usual Apple ID "cha...@mac.com"
   If I choose yes to this, my password will not work.
   But if I choose “use a different Apple ID”
   Then type in my usual “cha...@mac.com”
   My password lets me in.
   In the words of Professor Julius Sumner Miller.
   “why is this so?”
   Any words of wisdom regarding this will be thankfully received !!
   Regards
   Stephen Chape
   Mac by choice
   Windows because my employer knew no better
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Re: [WAMUG] Strange issue logging in to iCloud ??

[Peter Hinchliffe via WAMUG]

   My only suggestion is:

   If you’re logging with Safari, go to Safari > Settings > Passwords and
   find the entry for your iCloud login. You can’t edit it, so delete it
   using the — symbol at the botton of the passwords list. Close the
   window and try logging in again. This time Keychain will ask again if
   you want to save your login and password. Say OK and move on. Hopefully
   this will fix the problem. Please note this will not necessarily work
   for other browsers because they won’t work the same way with Keychain.

   On 10 Mar 2024, at 10:32 am, Stephen Chape via WAMUG
wrote:

 Hi folks.
 When I try to log in to iCloud.
 I am asked if I want to use my usual Apple ID "cha...@mac.com"
 If I choose yes to this, my password will not work.
 But if I choose “use a different Apple ID”
 Then type in my usual “cha...@mac.com”
 My password lets me in.
 In the words of Professor Julius Sumner Miller.
 “why is this so?”
 Any words of wisdom regarding this will be thankfully received !!
 Regards
 Stephen Chape
 Mac by choice
 Windows because my employer knew no better
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   Kind regards,
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   Perth, Western Australia
   Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
   
   Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: [WAMUG] March General Meeting

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   I agree Tim … looked very interesting.

   I decided to log in this time too.

   But fate took hold and other issues arrived at that time.

   DAM !!!

   On 6 Mar 2024, at 8:55 am, Tim Law via WAMUG 
   wrote:

   Good morning,
   I’m disappointed to have missed out on the meeting last night. The
   agenda contained a great variety of topics of interest.
   I hope those who didn’t ignore their meeting reminders ‍, found it
   valuable.
   Tim Law

 On 4 Mar 2024, at 3:17 pm, Maureen Smith via WAMUG
  wrote:
    Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,
  This is a reminder that our March meeting takes place tomorrow,
 Tuesday
  March 5th
  Meeting topics will include
* Pay Pal & security online.
* Password management.
* Cookies not the eating kind.
* The new Shopping list on Reminders
  MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
  Date: Tuesday 5th March
  Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
  Zoom Meeting Link:  [1]https://bit.ly/3InLdLm
  Meeting ID: 874 0246 3328
  Passcode: 983007
  If you have problems with the link or prefer to go 'Old School',
 follow
  these instructions.
   1. Type [1][2]zoom.us into your browser's address bar.
   2. At the login screen, click the Join button. (located on the
 black
  coloured bar, third from the right)
   3. At the Join Meeting screen, type in the meeting ID included in
  thisemail
   4. Finally, click Allow on the dialog box shown in your browser.
 Ifyou
  don't see a dialogue, click the Launch Meeting button
  We will be there waiting and looking forward to seeing you.
  Cheers,
  Maureen
 References
  1. https://bit.ly/3InLdLm
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Re: [WAMUG] March General Meeting

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Good morning,
I’m disappointed to have missed out on the meeting last night. The agenda 
contained a great variety of topics of interest. 

I hope those who didn’t ignore their meeting reminders ‍, found it valuable. 

Tim Law

> On 4 Mar 2024, at 3:17 pm, Maureen Smith via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
>    Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,
> 
>   This is a reminder that our March meeting takes place tomorrow, Tuesday
>   March 5th
> 
>   Meeting topics will include
> 
> * Pay Pal & security online.
> * Password management.
> * Cookies not the eating kind.
> * The new Shopping list on Reminders
> 
>   MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
> 
>   Date: Tuesday 5th March
> 
>   Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
> 
>   Zoom Meeting Link:  [1]https://bit.ly/3InLdLm
> 
>   Meeting ID: 874 0246 3328
> 
>   Passcode: 983007
> 
>   If you have problems with the link or prefer to go 'Old School', follow
>   these instructions.
> 
> 
>1. Type [1][2]zoom.us into your browser's address bar.
>2. At the login screen, click the Join button. (located on the black
>   coloured bar, third from the right)
>3. At the Join Meeting screen, type in the meeting ID included in
>   thisemail
>4. Finally, click Allow on the dialog box shown in your browser. Ifyou
>   don't see a dialogue, click the Launch Meeting button
> 
>   We will be there waiting and looking forward to seeing you.
> 
>   Cheers,
> 
>   Maureen
> 
> References
> 
>   1. https://bit.ly/3InLdLm
>   2. http://zoom.us/
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Re: [WAMUG] Spam.

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Not me either !

   On 6 Mar 2024, at 8:34 am, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi Tony
   Not appearing to the list.
   But I think they are just “pretending” to be wamug.
   If you can forward me the email (including the header information), I
   can have a look at it and advise.
   (Preferably send off list please, or “forward as attachment” if my
   server bounces it - as it may think it’s spam).
   Thanks
   Kind regards
   Daniel
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 On 6 Mar 2024, at 2:56 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Hi Guy’s
 Just like to let you know that I keep getting these e-mails on a
 regular basis, and I’m wondering if anyone else is getting them?
 Kind Regards
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Re: [WAMUG] Spam.

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Tony

Not appearing to the list.
But I think they are just “pretending” to be wamug.
If you can forward me the email (including the header information), I can have 
a look at it and advise.
(Preferably send off list please, or “forward as attachment” if my server 
bounces it - as it may think it’s spam).

Thanks

Kind regards
Daniel

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> On 6 Mar 2024, at 2:56 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG 
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> basis, and I’m wondering if anyone else is getting them?
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> Kind Regards
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[Peter Curtis via WAMUG]

Not me!


> On 6 Mar 2024, at 2:56 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Guy’s
> 
> Just like to let you know that I keep getting these e-mails on a regular 
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Hi Guy’s

Just like to let you know that I keep getting these e-mails on a regular basis, 
and I’m wondering if anyone else is getting them?

Kind Regards

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Re: [WAMUG] It’s MAC’s 40th Birthday today

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   

   On 23 Jan 2024, at 12:32 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
wrote:

  file-20240116-19-t76qy0.jpg
 [1]Mac at 40: User experience was the innovation that launched a
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 [2]theconversation.com
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Re: [WAMUG] (no subject)

[Mike Murray via WAMUG]

Hi Wendy

Not sure if he’s still doing this but Kevin Lock is your man. I’ve copied him 
in this email.

Cheers
Mike


> On 18 Jan 2024, at 12:25 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
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>   Hi All
> 
>   I am about to purchase a new MacBook Air.  I have had my current one
>   since early 2017 and am finding it isn’t accepting updates of some
>   programs.  I am having problems with ‘Photos’ in particular.
> 
>   Apart from the software it is in excellent condition.   Should I trade
>   it in (I think Apple only offers about $140) or I think I’ve read
>   someone on this list works their magic with old/unwanted computers and
>   then passes them on to someone who can’t afford one?  True?   If this
>   the case I would much prefer to go down this path. So if this is you
>   could you reply?
> 
>   Best wishes
> 
>   Wendy
> 
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Re: [WAMUG] WAMUG Digest, Vol 18, Issue 3

[Matt Falvey via WAMUG]

   Hi Peter, thanks for the reply.

   I tried the Terminal option, after creating and placing a copy
   elsewhere, and found it to be very effective and easy. Just what I
   wanted in fact.

   Thanks for taking the time to reply.

   Take care.
   Matt

   On 16 Jan 2024, at 8:41 am, [1]wamug-requ...@lists.wamug.org.au wrote:

   Today's Topics:
 1. Re: Apps to Hide and Password protect a Folder on Mac
(Peter Hinchliffe)
   --
   Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 08:41:05 +0800
   From: Peter Hinchliffe <[2]hinch...@multiline.com.au>
   To: WAMUG <[3]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au>
   Subject: Re: [WAMUG] Apps to Hide and Password protect a Folder on Mac
   Message-ID: <[4]1b0960c3-ba77-4fed-b279-03d39db5e...@multiline.com.au>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   The quickest an cheapest (i.e. free!) way is with the Terminal. Even if
   the idea of using Terminal frightens you to death (as it does with a
   lot of people) the following article makes it easy.
   [5]https://beebom.com/how-hide-file-folder-macos/?
   How to Hide a File or Folder in macOS
   beebom.com

 On 15 Jan 2024, at 1:52 pm, Matt Falvey via WAMUG
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  Hi I am wondering if anyone can suggest any application for an iMac
  that will hide and password protect a folder?
  I need one where I can access the folder regularly to update and
 store
  passwords etc, so using filevault and encryption and creating
 copies is
  to time consuming.
  I previously had Apimac Secret Folder on an old Mac which did the
 trick
  but looking today they want $51.95 for it which seems a bit of a
 rip
  off for such a minor app.
  Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
  Take care.
  Matt
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Re: [WAMUG] Apps to Hide and Password protect a Folder on Mac

[Peter Hinchliffe via WAMUG]

The quickest an cheapest (i.e. free!) way is with the Terminal. Even if the 
idea of using Terminal frightens you to death (as it does with a lot of people) 
the following article makes it easy.

https://beebom.com/how-hide-file-folder-macos/
How to Hide a File or Folder in macOS
beebom.com



> On 15 Jan 2024, at 1:52 pm, Matt Falvey via WAMUG  
> wrote:
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>   Hi I am wondering if anyone can suggest any application for an iMac
>   that will hide and password protect a folder?
> 
>   I need one where I can access the folder regularly to update and store
>   passwords etc, so using filevault and encryption and creating copies is
>   to time consuming.
> 
>   I previously had Apimac Secret Folder on an old Mac which did the trick
>   but looking today they want $51.95 for it which seems a bit of a rip
>   off for such a minor app.
> 
>   Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
> 
>   Take care.
>   Matt
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Re: [WAMUG] "But 3 Get 1 free" Update

[Lorenzo Bordoni via WAMUG]

   Hi Maureen and WAMUGGers.  Happy New Year.


   Maureen would you kindly remind me of the process to pay our
   subscriptions please?   It’s probably the same as last year, but just
   in case there’s been a change.


   Kind regards, Lorenzo.


   From: WAMUG  on behalf of Maureen
   Smith via WAMUG 
   Date: Tuesday, 26 December 2023 at 5:44 pm
   To: wa...@lists.wamug.org.au 
   Cc: Maureen Smith 
   Subject: [WAMUG] "But 3 Get 1 free" Update

   Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,
   I hope you and your loved ones had a happy and relaxing Christmas day
   and have not been injured in the rush to get a Boxing Day bargain.
   You may remember that an email was sent to the list on the 18th of
   December informing you that your Committee had decided that list
   members who had paid their membership fees for the past three years,
   2021-2023, would have free membership access for 2024
   Today, according to our financial records, I emailed each member to
   whom this applied.
   For the rest of the list members, remember, ,you can still read list
   posts and are always welcome to attend the WAMUG General meetings each
   month.
   If anyone has any queries regarding membership fees, I am happy to
   assist where I can
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Re: [WAMUG] "Buy3 and get 1 free"

[Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG]

Good Morning all

Thank you to the Committee, what a lovely gesture and of course a lovely 
Christmas present.

Wishing all of the members a very Merry Christmas and a Happy & prosperous New 
Year.

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Re: [WAMUG] "Buy3 and get 1 free"

[Rosemary Spark via WAMUG]

   Fantastic idea!
   Rosemary Spark
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   On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 at 18:14, Stephen Chape via WAMUG
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What a wonderful gesture … thank you !!
On 18 Dec 2023, at 5:01 pm, Maureen Smith via WAMUG
<[3]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
  Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,
  At the November Committee Meeting, your Committee decided that
 list
  members who have paid their membership fees for the past three
 years,
  2021-2023, will have free membership access for 2024.
  It is the Committee's way of saying thank you for your
 continued
  support. Consider it a “Buy 3 and get 1 free” deal, or perhaps
 an
early
  Christmas present.
  We have a record of the members who have paid fees for the past
 three
  years and they will contacted individually via email within the
 week.
I
  will notify the mailing list when this occurs.
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Re: [WAMUG] "Buy3 and get 1 free"

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   What a wonderful gesture … thank you !!

   On 18 Dec 2023, at 5:01 pm, Maureen Smith via WAMUG
wrote:

 Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,
 At the November Committee Meeting, your Committee decided that list
 members who have paid their membership fees for the past three years,
 2021-2023, will have free membership access for 2024.
 It is the Committee's way of saying thank you for your continued
 support. Consider it a “Buy 3 and get 1 free” deal, or perhaps an
   early
 Christmas present.
 We have a record of the members who have paid fees for the past three
 years and they will contacted individually via email within the week.
   I
 will notify the mailing list when this occurs.
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Re: [WAMUG] "Buy3 and get 1 free"

[Marcus Harris via WAMUG]

Wow- thanks committee.
Marcus 
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> On 18 Dec 2023, at 5:02 pm, Maureen Smith via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
>    Hello Fellow WAMUGgers,
>   At the November Committee Meeting, your Committee decided that list
>   members who have paid their membership fees for the past three years,
>   2021-2023, will have free membership access for 2024.
>   It is the Committee's way of saying thank you for your continued
>   support. Consider it a “Buy 3 and get 1 free” deal, or perhaps an early
>   Christmas present.
>   We have a record of the members who have paid fees for the past three
>   years and they will contacted individually via email within the week. I
>   will notify the mailing list when this occurs.
>   Kind regards,
>   Maureen
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Re: [WAMUG] Unable to send videos or MMS

[Jackson, DJ via WAMUG]

Weird but it started working after a few days.
I did nothing 


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I recently updated my iPhone to 17.1.2
And since the update I can’t seem to send videos via iMessage.
Works in Instagram and other apps BUT constantly fails to send in messenger??
Anyone else experience this


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Re: [WAMUG] iPhone iOS 17.1.2 Handoff

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Great to see it is resolved Walter 

   On 12 Dec 2023, at 8:47 am, FW via WAMUG 
   wrote:

   Hello Robin and Stephen,
   I did what you suggested Robin.
   Last night after de-selecting Handoff it was still happening.
   But this morning the audio is available as soon as I touch the “Audio”
   button.
   So it’s all good now, thank you both for your help.
   Cheers
   Walter
   ***

 On 11 Dec 2023, at 19:01 , Robin Belford via WAMUG
  wrote:
  Hi Walter,
  All you need to do is this.
  iPhone: Go to Settings > General > AirPlay & Handoff, then turn
  off Handoff.
  cheers,
  robin
  On 11 Dec 2023, at 6:19 pm, FW via WAMUG 
  wrote:
  Good Evening,
  When I receive and accept a call,  I normally - where possible -
 touch
  the Audio button to hear the caller while I carry on
  with whatever I am doing.
  Then a new screen comes up which asks me to make a selection from
 the
  list:
  iMac Intel
  iPad
  Speaker
  iPhone
  When I touch Speaker,  the caller can be heard.
  Is it possible to adjust some setting so that “Speaker" is the
 default
  ? ?
  Without having to see the other options ?
  Thanks,
  Cheers
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[FW via WAMUG]

Hello Robin and Stephen,

I did what you suggested Robin.
Last night after de-selecting Handoff it was still happening.
But this morning the audio is available as soon as I touch the “Audio” button.

So it’s all good now, thank you both for your help.

Cheers
Walter

***



> On 11 Dec 2023, at 19:01 , Robin Belford via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
>   Hi Walter,
>   All you need to do is this.
>   iPhone: Go to Settings > General > AirPlay & Handoff, then turn
>   off Handoff.
>   cheers,
>   robin
> 
>   On 11 Dec 2023, at 6:19 pm, FW via WAMUG 
>   wrote:
> 
>   Good Evening,
>   When I receive and accept a call,  I normally - where possible - touch
>   the Audio button to hear the caller while I carry on
>   with whatever I am doing.
>   Then a new screen comes up which asks me to make a selection from the
>   list:
>   iMac Intel
>   iPad
>   Speaker
>   iPhone
>   When I touch Speaker,  the caller can be heard.
>   Is it possible to adjust some setting so that “Speaker" is the default
>   ? ?
>   Without having to see the other options ?
>   Thanks,
>   Cheers
>   Walter
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[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Not sure if this helps but,

   Try Settings/Accessibilty.

   Could be a setting there that might help.

   On 11 Dec 2023, at 7:01 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG
wrote:

 Hi Walter,
 All you need to do is this.
 iPhone: Go to Settings > General > AirPlay & Handoff, then turn
 off Handoff.
 cheers,
 robin
 On 11 Dec 2023, at 6:19 pm, FW via WAMUG 
 wrote:
 Good Evening,
 When I receive and accept a call,  I normally - where possible -
   touch
 the Audio button to hear the caller while I carry on
 with whatever I am doing.
 Then a new screen comes up which asks me to make a selection from the
 list:
 iMac Intel
 iPad
 Speaker
 iPhone
 When I touch Speaker,  the caller can be heard.
 Is it possible to adjust some setting so that “Speaker" is the
   default
 ? ?
 Without having to see the other options ?
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 Cheers
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Re: [WAMUG] iPhone iOS 17.1.2

[Robin Belford via WAMUG]

   Hi Walter,
   All you need to do is this.
   iPhone: Go to Settings > General > AirPlay & Handoff, then turn
   off Handoff.
   cheers,
   robin

   On 11 Dec 2023, at 6:19 pm, FW via WAMUG 
   wrote:

   Good Evening,
   When I receive and accept a call,  I normally - where possible - touch
   the Audio button to hear the caller while I carry on
   with whatever I am doing.
   Then a new screen comes up which asks me to make a selection from the
   list:
   iMac Intel
   iPad
   Speaker
   iPhone
   When I touch Speaker,  the caller can be heard.
   Is it possible to adjust some setting so that “Speaker" is the default
   ? ?
   Without having to see the other options ?
   Thanks,
   Cheers
   Walter
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Re: [WAMUG] Unable to send videos or MMS

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Oh…. and also.

   Go to Settings/Messages and see if MMS Messaging is turned on.

   On 11 Dec 2023, at 1:54 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:

   Hi DJ
   I have an iPhone 12 Mini with 17.1.2
   I just used iMessage to text a video clip to another iPhone.
   No problem … sent and received.
   Perhaps during the last update something in Message settings changed.
   I have had that happen with other updates in the past.
   Sometimes a setting will return to DEFAULT without you changing it.

   On 11 Dec 2023, at 1:43 pm, Jackson, DJ via WAMUG
wrote:

 I recently updated my iPhone to 17.1.2
 And since the update I can’t seem to send videos via iMessage.
 Works in Instagram and other apps BUT constantly fails to send in
 messenger??
 Anyone else experience this
 DJ Jackson
 Desktop Support Officer
  |
 Business Information Systems
  |
 Department of Transport
 GPO Box R1290, Perth WA 6844
 Tel: (08) [1]9435 7705
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 Mob: [2]0417185663
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Re: [WAMUG] Unable to send videos or MMS

[Peter Crisp via WAMUG]

   Does a regular text message deliver with "Blue" text box and Delivery
   confirmation to the same recipient? Is the video file larger than 5MB -
   this is the limit for an iMessage video file where some of the other
   apps have larger file size limits. Try sending a small video (5 second
   clip say) or try sending to a family member in the same room as you.

   Perhaps you could cycle to OFF the Settings>Messages>iMessage button,
   wait a moment and then cycle back ON and retry.
   Kind Regards
   Peter Crisp

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   To:

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   Cc:

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   Sent:

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   Subject:

 Re: [WAMUG] Unable to send videos or MMS
 Hi DJ
 I have an iPhone 12 Mini with 17.1.2
 I just used iMessage to text a video clip to another iPhone.
 No problem … sent and received.
 Perhaps during the last update something in Message settings
 changed.
 I have had that happen with other updates in the past.
 Sometimes a setting will return to DEFAULT without you changing it.
 > On 11 Dec 2023, at 1:43 pm, Jackson, DJ via WAMUG
  wrote:
 >
 > I recently updated my iPhone to 17.1.2
 >
 > And since the update I can’t seem to send videos via iMessage.
 >
 > Works in Instagram and other apps BUT constantly fails to send in
 > messenger??
 >
 > Anyone else experience this
 >
 >
 >
 > DJ Jackson
 >
 > Desktop Support Officer
 >
 > |
 >
 > Business Information Systems
 >
 > |
 >
 > Department of Transport
 >
 > GPO Box R1290, Perth WA 6844
 >
 > Tel: (08) [1]9435 7705
 >
 > |
 >
 > Mob: [2]0417185663
 >
 > ​Email: [3]dj.jack...@transport.wa.gov.au
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Re: [WAMUG] Unable to send videos or MMS

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Hi DJ

   I have an iPhone 12 Mini with 17.1.2

   I just used iMessage to text a video clip to another iPhone.

   No problem … sent and received.

   Perhaps during the last update something in Message settings changed.

   I have had that happen with other updates in the past.

   Sometimes a setting will return to DEFAULT without you changing it.

   On 11 Dec 2023, at 1:43 pm, Jackson, DJ via WAMUG
wrote:

 I recently updated my iPhone to 17.1.2
 And since the update I can’t seem to send videos via iMessage.
 Works in Instagram and other apps BUT constantly fails to send in
 messenger??
 Anyone else experience this
 DJ Jackson
 Desktop Support Officer
  |
 Business Information Systems
  |
 Department of Transport
 GPO Box R1290, Perth WA 6844
 Tel: (08) [1]9435 7705
  |
 Mob: [2]0417185663
 ​Email: [3]dj.jack...@transport.wa.gov.au
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 [5]Department of Transport, Western Australia.
 We acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of this land and pay
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Re: [WAMUG] Finder - Recents.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG]

Hello Fellow WAMUGGERS,
All good, reset the MacBook Pro to Factory Settings  today.
Enjoy your weekend.
Kind Regards
Tony Francis
BODDINGTON
W.A.

> On 8 Dec 2023, at 5:02 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Guy’s
> I have a 2008 Mac Book Pro that I want to return to factory settings, as I am 
> giving it away as a gift.
> The MacBook Pro is operating Yosemite 10.10.5.
> I have tried researching on line but the more you read the more confusing it 
> becomes, so I return to WAMUG for the security and sound advice.
> Thanks guy’s
> Tony Francis
> Boddington
> WA.
> 
>> On 14 Oct 2023, at 1:52 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you to the members that replied. I saved myself some grief.
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Tony Francis
>> 
>> BODDINGTON
>> 
>> W. A.
>> 
 On 12 Oct 2023, at 20:58, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tony
>>> 
>>> Yes, as Tim mentioned, you don’t want to delete those, or you will lose it.
>>> Recents is just a “ghost image” of where all your files are stored 
>>> currently in other places on the computers. So if you delete them, you’re 
>>> technically deleting the originals.
>>> Easiest way to not see them, is to change what you see when you click on 
>>> Finder.
>>> 
>>> To do that, go to Finder.
>>> Then go to the Finder menu and click on Preferences. (Or Settings in 
>>> Ventura and above).
>>> Then click on General.
>>> Under “New Finder windows show” - you can then change “Recent” to say 
>>> “Documents” or your user directory (eg “Tony" or whatever your user account 
>>> is called).
>>> Then close that window.
>>> 
>>> Now, when you click on Finder (“the little smiley person on the left of the 
>>> Dock”), you’ll get taken to the folder you selected above.
>>> I tend to have mine just open to my User directory, as then I can go to all 
>>> my main folders from there - Desktop, Documents, etc.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> p : 0414 795 960
>>> e : 
>>> w : 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Apple**
>>> 
>>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
>>> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of 
>>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of 
>>> warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any 
>>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, 
>>> that permission by the author be requested.
>>> 
> On 12 Oct 2023, at 5:06 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
 
 Hi Guy’s
 Just a question, when opening the FINDER it opens with RECENT, can I just 
 delete all of the recent activity? Or will I lose the original files?
 
 I know that I should know the answer but I’m just making sure.
 
 Thanks all
 
 Kind Regards
 
 Tony Francis
 
 BODDINGTON
 
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Re: [WAMUG] Finder - Recents.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG]

Hi Guy’s 
I have a 2008 Mac Book Pro that I want to return to factory settings, as I am 
giving it away as a gift. 
The MacBook Pro is operating Yosemite 10.10.5.
I have tried researching on line but the more you read the more confusing it 
becomes, so I return to WAMUG for the security and sound advice.
Thanks guy’s 
Tony Francis
Boddington
WA.

> On 14 Oct 2023, at 1:52 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis  wrote:
> 
> Thank you to the members that replied. I saved myself some grief.
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony Francis
> 
> BODDINGTON
> 
> W. A.
> 
>> On 12 Oct 2023, at 20:58, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tony
>> 
>> Yes, as Tim mentioned, you don’t want to delete those, or you will lose it.
>> Recents is just a “ghost image” of where all your files are stored currently 
>> in other places on the computers. So if you delete them, you’re technically 
>> deleting the originals.
>> Easiest way to not see them, is to change what you see when you click on 
>> Finder.
>> 
>> To do that, go to Finder.
>> Then go to the Finder menu and click on Preferences. (Or Settings in Ventura 
>> and above).
>> Then click on General.
>> Under “New Finder windows show” - you can then change “Recent” to say 
>> “Documents” or your user directory (eg “Tony" or whatever your user account 
>> is called).
>> Then close that window.
>> 
>> Now, when you click on Finder (“the little smiley person on the left of the 
>> Dock”), you’ll get taken to the folder you selected above.
>> I tend to have mine just open to my User directory, as then I can go to all 
>> my main folders from there - Desktop, Documents, etc.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> p : 0414 795 960
>> e : 
>> w : 
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
>> as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of 
>> MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of 
>> warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any 
>> information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that 
>> permission by the author be requested.
>> 
 On 12 Oct 2023, at 5:06 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Guy’s
>>> Just a question, when opening the FINDER it opens with RECENT, can I just 
>>> delete all of the recent activity? Or will I lose the original files?
>>> 
>>> I know that I should know the answer but I’m just making sure.
>>> 
>>> Thanks all
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards
>>> 
>>> Tony Francis
>>> 
>>> BODDINGTON
>>> 
>>> W.A.
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Re: [WAMUG] NBN fibre questions

[Rosemary Spark via WAMUG]

   Thanks to Bernard for suggesting TechTV [1]https://techtvcabling.com.au
   who came and did our cabling, very efficiently. Very good to get it
   done before Christmas! We now have fibre..fantastic!!
   Rosemary Spark
   Email: [2]arkaysp...@gmail.com

   On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 15:40, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
   <[3]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:

Yes Neil and Rosemary, I believe you're correct there Neil.
 Depending
how handy you are, you could buy yourself a long length of Cat 6
 cable
to run from your NBN box to a wall point (new or old) for a
 dedicated
connection between router and NBN box. I did this for my sons
 room at
the back of my house - 30m Cat 6 for direct connection to an
 Apple
Airport Express for local Wifi signal strength in his room.
If not so handy, then use one of these guys. I did a Google
 search
"domestic internet cabling perth" which gave lots of hits. Here's
 one.

 [4]https://www.perthservices.com.au/phones-data-cabling/?gad_source=
 1

 d=CjwKCAiAvJarBhA1EiwAGgZl0IN9YUVwtwDKMY5VPy7200vPOBSvhcAqJyYYyGTf8H
 zzq
Pnu6U39nBoCaJcQAvD_BwE
Hopefully this helps.
Kind Regards
Peter Crisp
  - Original Message -
From:
"WAMUG" <[5]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au>
To:
  "WAMUG" <[6]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au>
Cc:
  "Neil Houghton" <[7]n...@possumology.com>
Sent:
      Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:20:23 +0800
Subject:
  Re: [WAMUG] NBN fibre questions
  Hi Rosemary,
  I'm no expert here but my reasoning is:
  The fact that you get the speed you are expecting when the
 modem is
  plugged direct to the NBN box would suggest that the problem is
 not
  with your modem but with the cabling/network between the NBN
 box and
  the wall socket.
  You say that there is cabling from the garage to "other places"
 in
  the house – from your description, these are phone outlets
 rather
  than ethernet outlets and you then connect from this wall
 socket to
  the DSL port on the modem?
  More than one phone outlet means that there would be at least
 one
  splitter somewhere to split the signal to the various phone
 outlets.
  The splitter(s) could be in the garage or in the ceiling and
 could
  well be the problem –  you really need the modem connection to
 the
  NBN box to be as direct as possible.
  I suspect the simplest/easiest solution is to have the router
  plugged directly into the NBN box in the garage and then setup
 the
  wireless network of the router so everything connects to that –
 you
  would need to check that you get good wireless coverage from
 the
  garage to wherever you need it in the house (depending on the
 house
  size/construction you might need a wireless extender or a modem
 with
  better wireless performance.
  If you need to have the modem elsewhere (eg in the study) make
 sure
  you have a single good connection between there and the NBN box
 –
  how easy this is to achieve really will depend on the actual
  physical configuration and accessibility of your existing
  network/cabling.
  Just some thoughts HTH.
  Cheers
  Neil
  --
  Neil Houghton
  Albany
  Western Australia
  -Original Message-
  From: WAMUG <[8]wamug-boun...@lists.wamug.org.au> on behalf of
 Rosemary
  Spark via WAMUG <[9]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au>
  Reply-To: WAMUG <[10]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au>
  Date: Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 20:40
  To: WAMUG <[11]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au>
  Cc: Rosemary Spark <[12]arkaysp...@gmail.com>
  Subject: [WAMUG] NBN fibre questions
 Hi all,
 We have just upgraded to NBN Fibre to the Premises. The
 speed
  we get
 with the modem attached straight to the NBN box is about
 10
  times
 faster than when it is connected to the wall socket in
 the
  study.  Our
 house is 61/2 years old and was cabled from the garage
 to
  other places
 in the house when we bought it. The westnet/ iiNet guy
 said
  the cabling
 might be too old to carry fibre speeds.
  The present wall socket in the study just looks like a
 phone
  socket
 but it does carry the signal to the modem albeit slowly.
 The
  distance
 is not great …it goes

Re: [WAMUG] WAMUG General Meeting

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Hi Maureen,

   Are these zoom meetings recorded & available for viewing if unable to
   attend?

   Cheers,  Alex

   On 5 Dec 2023, at 9:07 am, Maureen Smith via WAMUG
wrote:

 Hello FellowWAMUGgers,
 Some may say this meeting alert is late. I say time is a mathematical
 invention to explain the passage of the sun through the sky, and I am
 unencumbered by such mortal irrelevancies. (Hee Hee).
 The details of our final General Meeting for 2023, whether early,
   late,
 or just in time, are below.
 MEETING TOPICS
 1 Start with a Q & A session. Share your questions, and we will see
   if
 we can assist you
 2 PDFGear - free downloadable software.
 Apple’s Preview does 80% of the functions included in PDF Gear, but a
 few extras make PDF Gear a valuable piece of software.
 3 The Way Back Machine
 We have previously looked at this archive of internet sites. But this
 time, we will be focusing on some interesting downloads.
 MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
 Date: Tuesday 5th December
 Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
 Zoom Meeting Link: https://bit.ly/3FJdqKW
 Meeting ID: 898 6524 9743
 Passcode: 156564
 If you have problems with the link or prefer to go 'Old School,'
   follow
 these instructions.
   * Type [1]zoom.us into your browser's address bar.
   * At the login screen, click the Join button. (located under the
 black coloured bar)
   * (You may be asked “Do you want to allow this page to open
 “zoom.us.app”? If this happens download the app and open it.)
   * At the Join Meeting screen, type in the meeting ID included in
   this
 email
   * Finally, click Allow on the dialog box shown in your browser. If
 you don't see a dialogue, click the Launch Meeting button.
   We will be there waiting and look forward to seeing you.
 Cheers,
 Maureen
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Re: [WAMUG] WAMUG General Meeting

[Pete Smith via WAMUG]

   G’day rosemary.

   It says so on mine too. I have texted the host. We shal wait and see.

   Peter Smith
   Regards,
   Pete Smith

   On 5 Dec 2023, at 7:14 pm, Rosemary Spark via WAMUG
wrote:

   Says host has another meeting in progress
   Rosemary Spark
   PO Box 781 South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
   0414268043
   [1][1]arkaysp...@gmail.com
   On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 09:07, Maureen Smith via WAMUG
   <[2][2]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
Hello FellowWAMUGgers,
Some may say this meeting alert is late. I say time is a
 mathematical
invention to explain the passage of the sun through the sky,
 and
 I am
unencumbered by such mortal irrelevancies. (Hee Hee).
The details of our final General Meeting for 2023, whether
 early,
 late,
or just in time, are below.
MEETING TOPICS
1 Start with a Q & A session. Share your questions, and we
 will
 see if
we can assist you
2 PDFGear - free downloadable software.
Apple’s Preview does 80% of the functions included in PDF
 Gear,
 but a
few extras make PDF Gear a valuable piece of software.
3 The Way Back Machine
We have previously looked at this archive of internet sites.
 But
 this
time, we will be focusing on some interesting downloads.
MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
Date: Tuesday 5th December
Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
Zoom Meeting Link: [3][3]https://bit.ly/3FJdqKW
Meeting ID: 898 6524 9743
Passcode: 156564
If you have problems with the link or prefer to go 'Old
 School,'
 follow
these instructions.
  * Type [1][4][4]zoom.us into your browser's address bar.
  * At the login screen, click the Join button. (located
 under
 the
black coloured bar)
  * (You may be asked “Do you want to allow this page to open
“[5]zoom.us.app”? If this happens download the app and open
 it.)
  * At the Join Meeting screen, type in the meeting ID
 included
 in this
email
  * Finally, click Allow on the dialog box shown in your
 browser.
 If
you don't see a dialogue, click the Launch Meeting button.
  We will be there waiting and look forward to seeing you.
Cheers,
Maureen
 References
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   3. [11]https://bit.ly/3FJdqKW
   4. [12]http://zoom.us/
   5. [13]http://zoom.us.app/
   6. [14]http://zoom.us/
   7. [15]https://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/
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   3. https://bit.ly/3FJdqKW
   4. http://zoom.us/
   5. http://zoom.us/
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Re: [WAMUG] WAMUG General Meeting

[Rosemary Spark via WAMUG]

   Says host has another meeting in progress
   Rosemary Spark
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   On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 at 09:07, Maureen Smith via WAMUG
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Hello FellowWAMUGgers,
Some may say this meeting alert is late. I say time is a
 mathematical
invention to explain the passage of the sun through the sky, and
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unencumbered by such mortal irrelevancies. (Hee Hee).
The details of our final General Meeting for 2023, whether early,
 late,
or just in time, are below.
MEETING TOPICS
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we can assist you
2 PDFGear - free downloadable software.
Apple’s Preview does 80% of the functions included in PDF Gear,
 but a
few extras make PDF Gear a valuable piece of software.
3 The Way Back Machine
We have previously looked at this archive of internet sites. But
 this
time, we will be focusing on some interesting downloads.
MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
Date: Tuesday 5th December
Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
Zoom Meeting Link: [3]https://bit.ly/3FJdqKW
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Re: [WAMUG] Any fix for a faulty Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad?

[Lorenzo Bordoni via WAMUG]

   Goodonyou Brian.  It will be worth the wait.  



   From: WAMUG  on behalf of Brian W
   Scott via WAMUG 
   Date: Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 2:03 pm
   To: WAMUG 
   Cc: Brian W Scott 
   Subject: Re: [WAMUG] Any fix for a faulty Magic Keyboard with Numeric
   Keypad?

   Hi Loz,
   The first thing I did when I found it was not working was try other USB
   ports and then another computer.
   I liked your idea of dropping it and did a few times but it has made no
   difference.
   The port in the 7 port USB hub it was plugged into has also failed the
   port above and below it are still ok.
   Something electronic has shorted somewhere I suspect.
   I have found another for $60 on eBay, someone has obtained a lot of
   them and is selling them off.
   Coming on a PO camel from Queensland I will have to be patient.
   My 27-inch iMac is a late 2015 model running OS 10.15.7
   Cheers
   Brian
   > On 30 Nov 2023, at 9:50 am, Lorenzo Bordoni via WAMUG
wrote:
   >
   >   Hi Brian,
   >
   >
   >   I know the Apple USB Keyboard and they are such a favourite.  I use
   the
   >   same and love this model.
   >
   >
   >   Sounds like there is nothing wrong with the USB socket on your iMac
   if
   >   it’s servicing the KB without the Numeric Keypad so I like Peter’s
   idea
   >   of giving the suspect KB a try on another device.
   >
   >
   >   What bothers me is the co-incidence of it not working after the
   >   disconnect and I too wonder what may have gone wrong.
   >
   >
   >   I appreciate the built-in hub is still functional which suggests
   the
   >   fault with the actual keyboard is internal.  I wonder if and only
   as a
   >   last-resort, a gentle drop onto one of the KB’s edges will re-seat
   an
   >   internal connector and let the KB live again?
   >
   >   Most on-line threads suggest this model keyboard is not repairable,
   >   at-least not economically but let’s see what the Group can suggest.
   >
   >
   >   BTW, would your iMac be an Intel model or one with M1/M2?  Probably
   the
   >   Intel if it’s “way out of warranty”.
   >
   >   I ask only because my same model KB does play up with my M2 Mac
   Mini
   >   requiring an unplugging and re-plug after the Mac goes to sleep.
   >   Happens with other USB KB’s so I’m hoping an OS update with fix
   this
   >   annoying problem before I wear out my USB socket. 
   >
   >
   >   Good luck with it but it does sound like it’s time for another KB.
   >
   >   Cheers, Loz.
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >   From: WAMUG  on behalf of Brian W
   >   Scott via WAMUG 
   >   Date: Monday, 27 November 2023 at 12:48 pm
   >   To: wamug@wamug.org.au 
   >   Cc: Brian W Scott 
   >   Subject: [WAMUG] Any fix for a faulty Magic Keyboard with Numeric
   >   Keypad?
   >
   >   Hi,
   >   I disconnected my iMac from the mains last night when I saw the
   >   lightening heading our way.
   >   When I reconnect this morning the Magic Keyboard with Numeric
   Keypad is
   >   no longer responding.
   >   It is a USB wired keyboard not bluetooth.
   >   The built in hub still works. The caps lock light does not come on.
   >   The cost of getting it repaired (it is way out of warranty) would I
   >   imagine be similar to the cost of a new one.
   >   I can’t see any easy way into it but was wondering if there was any
   >   hope of getting it working again. Perhaps a combination key press
   or
   >   some such thing.
   >   I have another Magic Keyboard without the Numeric Keypad that I am
   >   currently using. I am used to having the keypad and would like it
   back
   >   again.
   >   Thanks
   >   Brian Scott
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Re: [WAMUG] Any fix for a faulty Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad?

[Brian W Scott via WAMUG]

Hi Loz,

The first thing I did when I found it was not working was try other USB ports 
and then another computer.

I liked your idea of dropping it and did a few times but it has made no 
difference.

The port in the 7 port USB hub it was plugged into has also failed the port 
above and below it are still ok.

Something electronic has shorted somewhere I suspect.

I have found another for $60 on eBay, someone has obtained a lot of them and is 
selling them off.
Coming on a PO camel from Queensland I will have to be patient.

My 27-inch iMac is a late 2015 model running OS 10.15.7

Cheers
Brian



> On 30 Nov 2023, at 9:50 am, Lorenzo Bordoni via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Hi Brian,
> 
> 
>   I know the Apple USB Keyboard and they are such a favourite.  I use the
>   same and love this model.
> 
> 
>   Sounds like there is nothing wrong with the USB socket on your iMac if
>   it’s servicing the KB without the Numeric Keypad so I like Peter’s idea
>   of giving the suspect KB a try on another device.
> 
> 
>   What bothers me is the co-incidence of it not working after the
>   disconnect and I too wonder what may have gone wrong.
> 
> 
>   I appreciate the built-in hub is still functional which suggests the
>   fault with the actual keyboard is internal.  I wonder if and only as a
>   last-resort, a gentle drop onto one of the KB’s edges will re-seat an
>   internal connector and let the KB live again?
> 
>   Most on-line threads suggest this model keyboard is not repairable,
>   at-least not economically but let’s see what the Group can suggest.
> 
> 
>   BTW, would your iMac be an Intel model or one with M1/M2?  Probably the
>   Intel if it’s “way out of warranty”.
> 
>   I ask only because my same model KB does play up with my M2 Mac Mini
>   requiring an unplugging and re-plug after the Mac goes to sleep.
>   Happens with other USB KB’s so I’m hoping an OS update with fix this
>   annoying problem before I wear out my USB socket. 
> 
> 
>   Good luck with it but it does sound like it’s time for another KB.
> 
>   Cheers, Loz.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   From: WAMUG  on behalf of Brian W
>   Scott via WAMUG 
>   Date: Monday, 27 November 2023 at 12:48 pm
>   To: wamug@wamug.org.au 
>   Cc: Brian W Scott 
>   Subject: [WAMUG] Any fix for a faulty Magic Keyboard with Numeric
>   Keypad?
> 
>   Hi,
>   I disconnected my iMac from the mains last night when I saw the
>   lightening heading our way.
>   When I reconnect this morning the Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad is
>   no longer responding.
>   It is a USB wired keyboard not bluetooth.
>   The built in hub still works. The caps lock light does not come on.
>   The cost of getting it repaired (it is way out of warranty) would I
>   imagine be similar to the cost of a new one.
>   I can’t see any easy way into it but was wondering if there was any
>   hope of getting it working again. Perhaps a combination key press or
>   some such thing.
>   I have another Magic Keyboard without the Numeric Keypad that I am
>   currently using. I am used to having the keypad and would like it back
>   again.
>   Thanks
>   Brian Scott
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Re: [WAMUG] Any fix for a faulty Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad?

[Lorenzo Bordoni via WAMUG]

   Hi Brian,


   I know the Apple USB Keyboard and they are such a favourite.  I use the
   same and love this model.


   Sounds like there is nothing wrong with the USB socket on your iMac if
   it’s servicing the KB without the Numeric Keypad so I like Peter’s idea
   of giving the suspect KB a try on another device.


   What bothers me is the co-incidence of it not working after the
   disconnect and I too wonder what may have gone wrong.


   I appreciate the built-in hub is still functional which suggests the
   fault with the actual keyboard is internal.  I wonder if and only as a
   last-resort, a gentle drop onto one of the KB’s edges will re-seat an
   internal connector and let the KB live again?

   Most on-line threads suggest this model keyboard is not repairable,
   at-least not economically but let’s see what the Group can suggest.


   BTW, would your iMac be an Intel model or one with M1/M2?  Probably the
   Intel if it’s “way out of warranty”.

   I ask only because my same model KB does play up with my M2 Mac Mini
   requiring an unplugging and re-plug after the Mac goes to sleep.
   Happens with other USB KB’s so I’m hoping an OS update with fix this
   annoying problem before I wear out my USB socket. 


   Good luck with it but it does sound like it’s time for another KB.

   Cheers, Loz.




   From: WAMUG  on behalf of Brian W
   Scott via WAMUG 
   Date: Monday, 27 November 2023 at 12:48 pm
   To: wamug@wamug.org.au 
   Cc: Brian W Scott 
   Subject: [WAMUG] Any fix for a faulty Magic Keyboard with Numeric
   Keypad?

   Hi,
   I disconnected my iMac from the mains last night when I saw the
   lightening heading our way.
   When I reconnect this morning the Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad is
   no longer responding.
   It is a USB wired keyboard not bluetooth.
   The built in hub still works. The caps lock light does not come on.
   The cost of getting it repaired (it is way out of warranty) would I
   imagine be similar to the cost of a new one.
   I can’t see any easy way into it but was wondering if there was any
   hope of getting it working again. Perhaps a combination key press or
   some such thing.
   I have another Magic Keyboard without the Numeric Keypad that I am
   currently using. I am used to having the keypad and would like it back
   again.
   Thanks
   Brian Scott
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Re: [WAMUG] NBN fibre questions

[Peter Crisp via WAMUG]

   Yes Neil and Rosemary, I believe you're correct there Neil. Depending
   how handy you are, you could buy yourself a long length of Cat 6 cable
   to run from your NBN box to a wall point (new or old) for a dedicated
   connection between router and NBN box. I did this for my sons room at
   the back of my house - 30m Cat 6 for direct connection to an Apple
   Airport Express for local Wifi signal strength in his room.

   If not so handy, then use one of these guys. I did a Google search
   "domestic internet cabling perth" which gave lots of hits. Here's one.
   https://www.perthservices.com.au/phones-data-cabling/?gad_source=1
   d=CjwKCAiAvJarBhA1EiwAGgZl0IN9YUVwtwDKMY5VPy7200vPOBSvhcAqJyYYyGTf8Hzzq
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   Hopefully this helps.
   Kind Regards
   Peter Crisp

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   To:

 "WAMUG" 

   Cc:

 "Neil Houghton" 

   Sent:

 Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:20:23 +0800

   Subject:

 Re: [WAMUG] NBN fibre questions
 Hi Rosemary,
 I'm no expert here but my reasoning is:
 The fact that you get the speed you are expecting when the modem is
 plugged direct to the NBN box would suggest that the problem is not
 with your modem but with the cabling/network between the NBN box and
 the wall socket.
 You say that there is cabling from the garage to "other places" in
 the house – from your description, these are phone outlets rather
 than ethernet outlets and you then connect from this wall socket to
 the DSL port on the modem?
 More than one phone outlet means that there would be at least one
 splitter somewhere to split the signal to the various phone outlets.
 The splitter(s) could be in the garage or in the ceiling and could
 well be the problem –  you really need the modem connection to the
 NBN box to be as direct as possible.
 I suspect the simplest/easiest solution is to have the router
 plugged directly into the NBN box in the garage and then setup the
 wireless network of the router so everything connects to that – you
 would need to check that you get good wireless coverage from the
 garage to wherever you need it in the house (depending on the house
 size/construction you might need a wireless extender or a modem with
 better wireless performance.
 If you need to have the modem elsewhere (eg in the study) make sure
 you have a single good connection between there and the NBN box –
 how easy this is to achieve really will depend on the actual
 physical configuration and accessibility of your existing
 network/cabling.
 Just some thoughts HTH.
 Cheers
 Neil
 --
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 Albany
 Western Australia
 -Original Message-
 From: WAMUG  on behalf of Rosemary
 Spark via WAMUG 
 Reply-To: WAMUG 
 Date: Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 20:40
 To: WAMUG 
 Cc: Rosemary Spark 
 Subject: [WAMUG] NBN fibre questions
Hi all,

We have just upgraded to NBN Fibre to the Premises. The speed
 we get
with the modem attached straight to the NBN box is about 10
 times
faster than when it is connected to the wall socket in the
 study.  Our
house is 61/2 years old and was cabled from the garage to
 other places
in the house when we bought it. The westnet/ iiNet guy said
 the cabling
might be too old to carry fibre speeds.

 The present wall socket in the study just looks like a phone
 socket
but it does carry the signal to the modem albeit slowly. The
 distance
is not great …it goes up from the NBN box in the garage in
 conduit to
the ceiling, presumably in the ceiling and down the wall in
 the study
next door.

    What sort of professional would be able to re-cable so the
 speed was
maintained to the study?

Would a more uptodate modem also help maintain better speeds?
 The
present one is an iiNet black TG model.

Cheers

Rosemary Spark
PO Box 781 South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
0414268043
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Re: [WAMUG] NBN fibre questions

[Neil Houghton via WAMUG]

   Hi Rosemary,


   I'm no expert here but my reasoning is:


 * The fact that you get the speed you are expecting when the modem is
   plugged direct to the NBN box would suggest that the problem is not
   with your modem but with the cabling/network between the NBN box
   and the wall socket.
 * You say that there is cabling from the garage to "other places" in
   the house – from your description, these are phone outlets rather
   than ethernet outlets and you then connect from this wall socket to
   the DSL port on the modem?
 * More than one phone outlet means that there would be at least one
   splitter somewhere to split the signal to the various phone
   outlets. The splitter(s) could be in the garage or in the ceiling
   and could well be the problem –  you really need the modem
   connection to the NBN box to be as direct as possible.
 * I suspect the simplest/easiest solution is to have the router
   plugged directly into the NBN box in the garage and then setup the
   wireless network of the router so everything connects to that – you
   would need to check that you get good wireless coverage from the
   garage to wherever you need it in the house (depending on the house
   size/construction you might need a wireless extender or a modem
   with better wireless performance.
 * If you need to have the modem elsewhere (eg in the study) make sure
   you have a single good connection between there and the NBN box –
   how easy this is to achieve really will depend on the actual
   physical configuration and accessibility of your existing
   network/cabling.



   Just some thoughts HTH.



   Cheers



   Neil

   --

   Neil Houghton

   Albany

   Western Australia



   -Original Message-

   From: WAMUG  on behalf of Rosemary
   Spark via WAMUG 

   Reply-To: WAMUG 

   Date: Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 20:40

   To: WAMUG 

   Cc: Rosemary Spark 

   Subject: [WAMUG] NBN fibre questions


  Hi all,


  We have just upgraded to NBN Fibre to the Premises. The speed we
   get

  with the modem attached straight to the NBN box is about 10
   times

  faster than when it is connected to the wall socket in the
   study.  Our

  house is 61/2 years old and was cabled from the garage to other
   places

  in the house when we bought it. The westnet/ iiNet guy said the
   cabling

  might be too old to carry fibre speeds.


   The present wall socket in the study just looks like a phone
   socket

  but it does carry the signal to the modem albeit slowly. The
   distance

  is not great …it goes up from the NBN box in the garage in
   conduit to

  the ceiling, presumably in the ceiling and down the wall in the
   study

  next door.


  What sort of professional would be able to re-cable so the speed
   was

  maintained to the study?


  Would a more uptodate modem also help maintain better speeds?
   The

  present one is an iiNet black TG model.


  Cheers


  Rosemary Spark

  PO Box 781 South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia

  0414268043

  [1]arkaysp...@gmail.com


   References


  1. mailto:arkaysp...@gmail.com

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Re: [WAMUG] Any fix for a faulty Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad?

[Peter Crisp via WAMUG]

   Hi Brian, It is worth plugging the keyboard into another computer with
   a USB port to test it. Even a Windows computer or a Macbook if you or
   someone you know has one. That would test the working function of the
   keyboard. Is it possible by coincidence the batteries in the keyboard
   need replacing - if it has batteries even though USB connected.

   I'm not sure how to disassociate the device from your iMac to restart
   the association again as though it were a new keyboard. Hopefully
   someone else here knows how to do that.
   Kind Regards
   Peter Crisp

 - Original Message -

   From:
   "WAMUG" 

   To:

 

   Cc:

 "Brian W Scott" 

   Sent:

 Mon, 27 Nov 2023 12:48:04 +0800

   Subject:

 [WAMUG] Any fix for a faulty Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad?
 Hi,
 I disconnected my iMac from the mains last night when I saw the
 lightening heading our way.
 When I reconnect this morning the Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad
 is no longer responding.
 It is a USB wired keyboard not bluetooth.
 The built in hub still works. The caps lock light does not come on.
 The cost of getting it repaired (it is way out of warranty) would I
 imagine be similar to the cost of a new one.
 I can’t see any easy way into it but was wondering if there was any
 hope of getting it working again. Perhaps a combination key press or
 some such thing.
 I have another Magic Keyboard without the Numeric Keypad that I am
 currently using. I am used to having the keypad and would like it
 back again.
 Thanks
 Brian Scott
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Alex via WAMUG]

  address.
  Confused? Hehe.
  I originally got 3 @Mac.com addresses when it first was announced,
 so I
  now have all three of those as @Mac.com, @me.com and @iCloud.com
 with
  the same thing at the start of all three.
  And it’s funny, as sometime when I talk to Apple support and give
 them
  my @Mac.com address they ask “oh,..how did you get that”. So I have
 to
  explain the above to them about how it all started and is now their
  iCloud.
  I think the “worst” comeback I got was,..wow,..you must be old to
 be
  around that long!
  H,..thanks! lol.
  But yes all three of the above are Apple’s equivalent to a free
  @gmail.com or @hotmail.com or @outlook.com free email addresses.
  RE Apple Mail.
  Apple Mail will handle POP, IMAP, Exchange accounts. So it can be
 set
  up for all three.
  Generally speaking most ISP’s or email addresses these days use
 IMAP as
  default. But you can still set it back to POP3. But most prefer
 IMAP.
  Exchange set up in Apple Mail is used to connect a Microsoft
 Exchange
  account into Apple mail.
  And Apple Mail can also be set up to connect to a free @gmail.com
  account as well.
  So you can in effect have as many type of emails as you want.
  My Apple Mail currently checks 10 different email addresses for the
  various things I run. With a mixture of mostly IMAP accounts, 2
 Gmail
  accounts (which I only use for support and checking things) and 1
  Microsoft Exchange account also used to support Exchange for
 people.
  But primarily I use IMAP for everything. As it works very well.
  This is an old article, but also helps explain the differences
 quite
  well -
  https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/pop-vs-imap/
  Hope that helps make a bit more sense of it all. :)
  Kind regards
  Daniel
  ---
  Daniel Kerr
  MacWizardry
  p : 0414 795 960
  e : 
  w : <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
  **For everything Apple**
  NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal
 opinion
  and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views
 of
  MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any
  form of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that
 if
  any information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or
  copied, that permission by the author be requested.
On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:28 pm, Alex via WAMUG
 
wrote:
 Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes
(forgotten
 what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a
 POP
 programme?
 Cheers,  Alex
 On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
  wrote:
   Thank you everyone.
   I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following
Daniel
 K’s
   instructions).
   I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
   [1]bli...@mac.com
   I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC
 decide
to
   start charging.
   I guess I have a year to change email address for various
   accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
   Cheers
   Blitto
   Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
   On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
wrote:
   As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the
 internet
   service providers and that won’t change.
   One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
   I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy
with
 all
   the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
   Cheers
   Marcus
   Marcus Harris
   Mobile +61417965618
 On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
  wrote:
    Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet
 I
 understand.
  Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
 outsourcing
 the
  email management. This was received with big groans.
 However,
 Westnet
  (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
Messaging
  Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in
 which
 case
  they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or
 iinet)
 Mail
  accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will
keep
  exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in
 as
 making a
  change to a different email address wo

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

I talk to Apple support and give them
>   my @Mac.com address they ask “oh,..how did you get that”. So I have to
>   explain the above to them about how it all started and is now their
>   iCloud.
>   I think the “worst” comeback I got was,..wow,..you must be old to be
>   around that long!
>   H,..thanks! lol.
>   But yes all three of the above are Apple’s equivalent to a free
>   @gmail.com or @hotmail.com or @outlook.com free email addresses.
>   RE Apple Mail.
>   Apple Mail will handle POP, IMAP, Exchange accounts. So it can be set
>   up for all three.
>   Generally speaking most ISP’s or email addresses these days use IMAP as
>   default. But you can still set it back to POP3. But most prefer IMAP.
>   Exchange set up in Apple Mail is used to connect a Microsoft Exchange
>   account into Apple mail.
>   And Apple Mail can also be set up to connect to a free @gmail.com
>   account as well.
>   So you can in effect have as many type of emails as you want.
>   My Apple Mail currently checks 10 different email addresses for the
>   various things I run. With a mixture of mostly IMAP accounts, 2 Gmail
>   accounts (which I only use for support and checking things) and 1
>   Microsoft Exchange account also used to support Exchange for people.
>   But primarily I use IMAP for everything. As it works very well.
>   This is an old article, but also helps explain the differences quite
>   well -
>   https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/pop-vs-imap/
>   Hope that helps make a bit more sense of it all. :)
>   Kind regards
>   Daniel
>   ---
>   Daniel Kerr
>   MacWizardry
>   p : 0414 795 960
>   e : 
>   w : <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
>   **For everything Apple**
>   NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion
>   and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of
>   MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any
>   form of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if
>   any information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or
>   copied, that permission by the author be requested.
> 
> On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:28 pm, Alex via WAMUG 
> wrote:
>  Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes
> (forgotten
>  what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a POP
>  programme?
>  Cheers,  Alex
>  On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
>   wrote:
>Thank you everyone.
>I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following
> Daniel
>  K’s
>instructions).
>I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
>[1]bli...@mac.com
>I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide
> to
>start charging.
>I guess I have a year to change email address for various
>accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
>Cheers
>Blitto
>Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
> wrote:
>As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
>service providers and that won’t change.
>One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
>I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy
> with
>  all
>the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
>Cheers
>Marcus
>Marcus Harris
>Mobile +61417965618
>  On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
>   wrote:
>     Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
>  understand.
>   Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
>  outsourcing
>  the
>   email management. This was received with big groans. However,
>  Westnet
>   (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
> Messaging
>   Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
>  case
>   they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
>  Mail
>   accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will
> keep
>   exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
>  making a
>   change to a different email address would be a huge
> undertaking
>  with
>   all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers
> etc
>  my
>   email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other
> family
>   members in my family. I

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Wow! thanks for that Daniel - very extensive explanation.  I guess I’m
   still bit confused?

   I take it that with IMAP/POP email accounts you need an ISP to “manage”
   its function, whereas all the others, inc Apple’s trio, operate in a
   browser?

   My issue is that I am still using MYOB’s Accountedge even though it is
   not supported anymore, as I like it & don’t particularly want to
   migrate to their cloud version,  However, I may need to change sometime
   in the future anyway, so just trying to understand the situation.

   Thanks, Alex

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:03 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi Alex
   Mac.com started way back when (2001) when Apple introduced it as part
   of iTools (which is what it used to be called).
   They then changed it to @me.com which was part of MobileMe in 2008. It
   then went on to become @iCloud.com in 2011 which is the current iCloud
   we’re used to now.
   People who have a @Mac.com also automatically got a @me.com which also
   got them @iCloud.com.
   But someone who “started” at either points can’t go back.
   Eg. If someone had wa...@mac.com, they got wa...@me.com and also
   wa...@icloud.com.
   But someone who got @me.com can’t have a @Mac.com address.
   And someone who got @iCloud.com can’t have a @Mac.com or @me.com
   address.
   Confused? Hehe.
   I originally got 3 @Mac.com addresses when it first was announced, so I
   now have all three of those as @Mac.com, @me.com and @iCloud.com with
   the same thing at the start of all three.
   And it’s funny, as sometime when I talk to Apple support and give them
   my @Mac.com address they ask “oh,..how did you get that”. So I have to
   explain the above to them about how it all started and is now their
   iCloud.
   I think the “worst” comeback I got was,..wow,..you must be old to be
   around that long!
   H,..thanks! lol.
   But yes all three of the above are Apple’s equivalent to a free
   @gmail.com or @hotmail.com or @outlook.com free email addresses.
   RE Apple Mail.
   Apple Mail will handle POP, IMAP, Exchange accounts. So it can be set
   up for all three.
   Generally speaking most ISP’s or email addresses these days use IMAP as
   default. But you can still set it back to POP3. But most prefer IMAP.
   Exchange set up in Apple Mail is used to connect a Microsoft Exchange
   account into Apple mail.
   And Apple Mail can also be set up to connect to a free @gmail.com
   account as well.
   So you can in effect have as many type of emails as you want.
   My Apple Mail currently checks 10 different email addresses for the
   various things I run. With a mixture of mostly IMAP accounts, 2 Gmail
   accounts (which I only use for support and checking things) and 1
   Microsoft Exchange account also used to support Exchange for people.
   But primarily I use IMAP for everything. As it works very well.
   This is an old article, but also helps explain the differences quite
   well -
   https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/pop-vs-imap/
   Hope that helps make a bit more sense of it all. :)
   Kind regards
   Daniel
   ---
   Daniel Kerr
   MacWizardry
   p : 0414 795 960
   e : 
   w : <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
   **For everything Apple**
   NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion
   and as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of
   MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any
   form of warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if
   any information in this email is to be disseminated, distributed or
   copied, that permission by the author be requested.

 On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:28 pm, Alex via WAMUG 
 wrote:
  Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes
 (forgotten
  what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a POP
  programme?
  Cheers,  Alex
  On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
   wrote:
Thank you everyone.
I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following
 Daniel
  K’s
instructions).
I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
[1]bli...@mac.com
I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide
 to
start charging.
I guess I have a year to change email address for various
accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
Cheers
Blitto
Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
 wrote:
As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
service providers and that won’t change.
One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy
 with
  all
the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
Cheers
  

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Alex

Mac.com started way back when (2001) when Apple introduced it as part of iTools 
(which is what it used to be called).
They then changed it to @me.com which was part of MobileMe in 2008. It then 
went on to become @iCloud.com in 2011 which is the current iCloud we’re used to 
now.
People who have a @Mac.com also automatically got a @me.com which also got them 
@iCloud.com. 
But someone who “started” at either points can’t go back.

Eg. If someone had wa...@mac.com, they got wa...@me.com and also 
wa...@icloud.com.
But someone who got @me.com can’t have a @Mac.com address. 
And someone who got @iCloud.com can’t have a @Mac.com or @me.com address.

Confused? Hehe. 
I originally got 3 @Mac.com addresses when it first was announced, so I now 
have all three of those as @Mac.com, @me.com and @iCloud.com with the same 
thing at the start of all three.
And it’s funny, as sometime when I talk to Apple support and give them my 
@Mac.com address they ask “oh,..how did you get that”. So I have to explain the 
above to them about how it all started and is now their iCloud.
I think the “worst” comeback I got was,..wow,..you must be old to be around 
that long! 
H,..thanks! lol.

But yes all three of the above are Apple’s equivalent to a free @gmail.com or 
@hotmail.com or @outlook.com free email addresses.

RE Apple Mail.
Apple Mail will handle POP, IMAP, Exchange accounts. So it can be set up for 
all three.
Generally speaking most ISP’s or email addresses these days use IMAP as 
default. But you can still set it back to POP3. But most prefer IMAP.
Exchange set up in Apple Mail is used to connect a Microsoft Exchange account 
into Apple mail.
And Apple Mail can also be set up to connect to a free @gmail.com account as 
well.

So you can in effect have as many type of emails as you want.
My Apple Mail currently checks 10 different email addresses for the various 
things I run. With a mixture of mostly IMAP accounts, 2 Gmail accounts (which I 
only use for support and checking things) and 1 Microsoft Exchange account also 
used to support Exchange for people.
But primarily I use IMAP for everything. As it works very well.

This is an old article, but also helps explain the differences quite well -
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/pop-vs-imap/

Hope that helps make a bit more sense of it all. :)

Kind regards
Daniel

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

p : 0414 795 960
e : 
w : <http://www.macwizardry.com.au>


**For everything Apple**

NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as 
such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any 
information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept 
liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to 
be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested. 

> On 9 Nov 2023, at 9:28 pm, Alex via WAMUG  wrote:
> 
>   Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes (forgotten
>   what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a POP
>   programme?
> 
>   Cheers,  Alex
> 
>   On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
>wrote:
> 
> Thank you everyone.
> I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel
>   K’s
> instructions).
> I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
> [1]bli...@mac.com
> I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
> start charging.
> I guess I have a year to change email address for various
> accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
> Cheers
> Blitto
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
>  wrote:
> As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
> service providers and that won’t change.
> One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
> I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with
>   all
> the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
> Cheers
> Marcus
> Marcus Harris
> Mobile +61417965618
>   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
>wrote:
>      Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
>   understand.
>Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
>   outsourcing
>   the
>email management. This was received with big groans. However,
>   Westnet
>(and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
>Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
>   case
>they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
>   Mail
>accounts to The Messaging Company, but

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Are [1]mac.com & [2]me.com the same type of email programmes (forgotten
   what they are called) as gmail/hot mail etc?  Is Apple Mail a POP
   programme?

   Cheers,  Alex

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
wrote:

 Thank you everyone.
 I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel
   K’s
 instructions).
 I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
 [1]bli...@mac.com
 I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
 start charging.
 I guess I have a year to change email address for various
 accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
 Cheers
 Blitto
 Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
  wrote:
 As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
 service providers and that won’t change.
 One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
 I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with
   all
 the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
 Cheers
 Marcus
 Marcus Harris
 Mobile +61417965618
   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
wrote:
      Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
   understand.
Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
   outsourcing
   the
email management. This was received with big groans. However,
   Westnet
(and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
   case
they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
   Mail
accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
   making a
change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking
   with
all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc
   my
email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of
   email
management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year
   2,
they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form
   day
1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions
   or
there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
Kind Regards
Peter Crisp
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From:
"WAMUG" 
To:
  "WAMUG" 
Cc:
  "Rod Blitvich" 
Sent:
  Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
Subject:
  [WAMUG] Which Email address?
  Hi Folks
  So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
  Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as
   my
  primary address?
  I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
  I have the following email addresses:
  rb...@iinet.net.au
  bli...@mac.com
  bli...@icloud.com
  I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
  Thank you
  Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Big slow job.

   Took me several months gradually Robin.

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:56 am, Robin Belford via WAMUG
wrote:

   Yes, my plan in the long term is similar.
   The process will be slow though as of the 705 entries, for various web
   sites/organisations etc, in my password manager almost all of them have
   an email address for the username and they do not have a separate field
   in the account profile for a separate contact email address.
   Thus it is problematic if an old username/email address is abandoned
   then the password recovery or even continued usage of that account
   could become very difficult.
   ymmv
   cheers,
   Robin

 On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:31 am, Stephen Chape via WAMUG
  wrote:
  Good idea Rod.
  Exactly what I advised my kids and grandkids.
  On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
   wrote:
Thank you everyone.
I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following
 Daniel
  K’s
instructions).
I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
[1]bli...@mac.com
I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide
 to
start charging.
I guess I have a year to change email address for various
accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
Cheers
Blitto
Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
 wrote:
As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
service providers and that won’t change.
One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy
 with
  all
the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
Cheers
Marcus
Marcus Harris
Mobile +61417965618
  On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
   wrote:
     Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
  understand.
   Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
  outsourcing
  the
   email management. This was received with big groans. However,
  Westnet
   (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
 Messaging
   Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
  case
   they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
  Mail
   accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will
 keep
   exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
  making a
   change to a different email address would be a huge
 undertaking
  with
   all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers
 etc
  my
   email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other
 family
   members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year
 of
  email
   management is free with The Messaging Company and then from
 year
  2,
   they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at
 my
   Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear
 form
  day
   1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much
 The
   Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
   You can ring the helpline for further details if other
 questions
  or
   there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
   Kind Regards
   Peter Crisp
 - Original Message -
   From:
   "WAMUG" 
   To:
 "WAMUG" 
   Cc:
 "Rod Blitvich" 
   Sent:
 Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
   Subject:
 [WAMUG] Which Email address?
 Hi Folks
 So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
 Please can you suggest which email address should now I use
 as
  my
 primary address?
 I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
 I have the following email addresses:
 rb...@iinet.net.au
 bli...@mac.com
 bli...@icloud.com
 I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
 Thank you
 Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Robin Belford via WAMUG]

Yes, my plan in the long term is similar.

The process will be slow though as of the 705 entries, for various web 
sites/organisations etc, in my password manager almost all of them have an 
email address for the username and they do not have a separate field in the 
account profile for a separate contact email address.
Thus it is problematic if an old username/email address is abandoned then the 
password recovery or even continued usage of that account could become very 
difficult.

ymmv

cheers,

Robin

> On 9 Nov 2023, at 10:31 am, Stephen Chape via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Good idea Rod.
> 
>   Exactly what I advised my kids and grandkids.
> 
>   On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
>wrote:
> 
> Thank you everyone.
> I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel
>   K’s
> instructions).
> I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
> [1]bli...@mac.com
> I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
> start charging.
> I guess I have a year to change email address for various
> accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
> Cheers
> Blitto
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
>  wrote:
> As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
> service providers and that won’t change.
> One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
> I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with
>   all
> the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
> Cheers
> Marcus
> Marcus Harris
> Mobile +61417965618
>   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
>wrote:
>      Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
>   understand.
>Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
>   outsourcing
>   the
>email management. This was received with big groans. However,
>   Westnet
>(and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
>Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
>   case
>they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
>   Mail
>accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
>exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
>   making a
>change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking
>   with
>all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc
>   my
>email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
>members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of
>   email
>management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year
>   2,
>they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
>Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form
>   day
>1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
>Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
>You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions
>   or
>there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
>Kind Regards
>Peter Crisp
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>From:
>"WAMUG" 
>To:
>  "WAMUG" 
>Cc:
>  "Rod Blitvich" 
>Sent:
>  Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
>Subject:
>  [WAMUG] Which Email address?
>  Hi Folks
>  So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
>  Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as
>   my
>  primary address?
>  I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
>  I have the following email addresses:
>  rb...@iinet.net.au
>  bli...@mac.com
>  bli...@icloud.com
>  I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
>  Thank you
>  Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Good idea Rod.

   Exactly what I advised my kids and grandkids.

   On 9 Nov 2023, at 8:06 am, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
wrote:

 Thank you everyone.
 I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel
   K’s
 instructions).
 I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
 [1]bli...@mac.com
 I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
 start charging.
 I guess I have a year to change email address for various
 accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.
 Cheers
 Blitto
 Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
 On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
  wrote:
 As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
 service providers and that won’t change.
 One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
 I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with
   all
 the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
 Cheers
 Marcus
 Marcus Harris
 Mobile +61417965618
   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
wrote:
      Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
   understand.
Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
   outsourcing
   the
email management. This was received with big groans. However,
   Westnet
(and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which
   case
they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet)
   Mail
accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
   making a
change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking
   with
all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc
   my
email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of
   email
management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year
   2,
they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form
   day
1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions
   or
there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
Kind Regards
Peter Crisp
  - Original Message -
From:
"WAMUG" 
To:
  "WAMUG" 
Cc:
  "Rod Blitvich" 
Sent:
  Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
Subject:
  [WAMUG] Which Email address?
  Hi Folks
  So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
  Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as
   my
  primary address?
  I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
  I have the following email addresses:
  rb...@iinet.net.au
  bli...@mac.com
  bli...@icloud.com
  I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
  Thank you
  Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Rod Blitvich via WAMUG]

   Thank you everyone.

   I have opted in to The Messaging Company (I think following Daniel K’s
   instructions).

   I have changed my “send new mail address" in Apple Mail to
   [1]bli...@mac.com

   I will also keep my iinet address and review this when TMC decide to
   start charging.

   I guess I have a year to change email address for various
   accounts/logins from my iinet one to my mac.com one.

   Cheers

   Blitto
   Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

   On 2 Nov 2023, at 6:05 pm, Marcus Harris via WAMUG
wrote:

   As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet
   service providers and that won’t change.
   One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
   I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with all
   the apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
   Cheers
   Marcus
   Marcus Harris
   Mobile +61417965618

 On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG
  wrote:
    Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
 understand.
  Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing
 the
  email management. This was received with big groans. However,
 Westnet
  (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
  Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which case
  they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet) Mail
  accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
  exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as
 making a
  change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking
 with
  all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc my
  email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
  members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of
 email
  management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year 2,
  they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
  Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form
 day
  1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
  Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
  You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or
  there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
  Kind Regards
  Peter Crisp
- Original Message -
  From:
  "WAMUG" 
  To:
"WAMUG" 
  Cc:
"Rod Blitvich" 
  Sent:
Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
  Subject:
[WAMUG] Which Email address?
Hi Folks
So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
primary address?
I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
I have the following email addresses:
rb...@iinet.net.au
bli...@mac.com
bli...@icloud.com
I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
Thank you
Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Peter Crisp via WAMUG]

   Hi Wendy, perhaps iinet domain emailers have had some differing
   treatment to westent.com.au domain emailers and it's in a transition
   phase where we ill all potentially migrate to.  I've not had the
   problem you indicated yet but I suggest talking to iinet support and
   they may push you on to speak with TMC support people. I think explain
   the problem you're having and ask them what the solution is.

   Kind Regards

   Pete

 - Original Message -

   From:
   "WAMUG" 

   To:

 "WAMUG" 

   Cc:

 

   Sent:

 Tue, 07 Nov 2023 15:23:36 +0800

   Subject:

 Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
 Hi Pete, Robin and Stephen
 I am accessing Webmail through my browser Firefox.  This goes back
 to
 the early days when we travelled and I wanted to check my emails.  I
 didn't want my emails downloaded to an internet cafe and then not
 visible at our next destination.
 When I ask for webmail using the old method I used for iinet I now
 get
 a TMC logon screen.  I log on to this using my internet name and
 password and this takes me to the old webmail sign-on screen.I log
 on
 again and it works well.
 I have tired to use Apple 'Mail' and it is pretty good but old
 habits
 are hard to change  I am used to the 'layout' of webmail.  Much to
 the frustration of my daughter!
 Re those companies sending stuff by letter mail telling me that
 they've been unable to send an email;   has anyone else had this
 problem?
 Many thanksWendy
 _Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located
 on
 the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people. _

 - Original Message -
 From: "WAMUG"
 To:"WAMUG"
 Cc:"Stephen Chape"
 Sent:Sat, 4 Nov 2023 22:15:16 +0800
 Subject:Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
 Hi Wendy … you have me intrigued.
 Why do you now log in to The Messaging Co ?
 My daughter is with Westnet.
 She simply she followed the steps suggested by Westnet to retain her
 email address
 by the due date and nothing has changed.
 > On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:51 pm, Pete via WAMUG wrote:
 >
 > Thanks and agreed Robin. Completely frictionless as you say.
 >
 > Regards
 >
 > Pete
 >
 >> On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:12 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG wrote:
 >>
 >> Hi Wendy,
 >>
 >> I’m not sure you have fully understood the minimal effect on the
 user that the transfer of the email hosting of iinet, westnet et.
 al.
 email services actually entails.
 >> Now perhaps because you appear to be accessing your email via a
 web browser you are experiencing the dual login dance (it sounds
 absurd to me).
 >>
 >> You could consider using an email client, such as Mail, which
 comes installed on every macintosh and iPhone.
 >> Using these services I, my wife, and my children have experienced
 a frictionless transition.
 >> Infact they don’t really know, or care, who is managing their
 email hosting
 >> All they care about is continuity of service, which they have
 experienced.
 >>
 >> As for your assertion that third party companies, such as
 Medibank
 etc. expect you to change your email address is a complete nonsense.
 >> If that is what you have been told you, have been badly advised.
 >>
 >> You just keep using your westnet/iinet/ address as if nothing has
 happened.
 >>
 >> Regards,
 >>
 >> Robin
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>> On 4 Nov 2023, at 5:40 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.
 >>>
 >>> I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers
 in
 fact)
 >>> and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out
 source the
 >>> management of their iinet email customers.
 >>>
 >>> I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company
 first;
 >>> this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I
 log in
 >>> again.
 >>>
 >>> All is OK; except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL
 iinet
 >>> customers MUST change their address. Our postman (the one that
 goes
 >>> around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the
 numbers of
 >>> letters this household has received requesting us to let the
 company
 >>> know of our new email address. (I exaggerate a bit there!) What
 I
 >>> haven't worked out is are these companies

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG]

   Hi Pete, Robin and Stephen

   I am accessing Webmail through my browser Firefox.  This goes back to
   the early days when we travelled and I wanted to check my emails.  I
   didn't want my emails downloaded to an internet cafe and then not
   visible at our next destination.

   When I ask for webmail using the old method I used for iinet I now get
   a TMC logon screen.  I log on to this using my internet name and
   password and this takes me to the old webmail sign-on screen.

   I log on again and it works well.

   I have tired to use Apple 'Mail' and it is pretty good but old habits
   are hard to change.  I am used to the 'layout' of webmail.  Much to the
   frustration of my daughter!

   Re those companies sending stuff by letter mail telling me that they've
   been unable to send an email;   has anyone else had this problem?

   Many thanks

   Wendy

   Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located on
   the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people.


 - Original Message -

   From:
   "WAMUG" 

   To:

 "WAMUG" 

   Cc:

 "Stephen Chape" 

   Sent:

 Sat, 4 Nov 2023 22:15:16 +0800

   Subject:

 Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
 Hi Wendy … you have me intrigued.
 Why do you now log in to The Messaging Co ?
 My daughter is with Westnet.
 She simply she followed the steps suggested by Westnet to retain her
 email address
 by the due date and nothing has changed.
 > On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:51 pm, Pete via WAMUG
  wrote:
 >
 > Thanks and agreed Robin. Completely frictionless as you say.
 >
 > Regards
 >
 > Pete
 >
 >> On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:12 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG
  wrote:
 >>
 >> Hi Wendy,
 >>
 >> I’m not sure you have fully understood the minimal effect on the
 user that the transfer of the email hosting of iinet, westnet et.
 al. email services actually entails.
 >> Now perhaps because you appear to be accessing your email via a
 web browser you are experiencing the dual login dance (it sounds
 absurd to me).
 >>
 >> You could consider using an email client, such as Mail, which
 comes installed on every macintosh and iPhone.
 >> Using these services I, my wife, and my children have experienced
 a frictionless transition.
 >> Infact they don’t really know, or care, who is managing their
 email hosting.
 >> All they care about is continuity of service, which they have
 experienced
 >>
 >> As for your assertion that third party companies, such as
 Medibank etc. expect you to change your email address is a complete
 nonsense.
 >> If that is what you have been told you, have been badly advised.
 >>
 >> You just keep using your westnet/iinet/ address as if nothing has
 happened.
 >>
 >> Regards,
 >>
 >> Robin
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>> On 4 Nov 2023, at 5:40 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG
  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.
 >>>
 >>> I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers
 in fact)
 >>> and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out
 source the
 >>> management of their iinet email customers.
 >>>
 >>> I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company
 first;
 >>> this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I
 log in
 >>> again.
 >>>
 >>> All is OK; except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL
 iinet
 >>> customers MUST change their address. Our postman (the one that
 goes
 >>> around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the
 numbers of
 >>> letters this household has received requesting us to let the
 company
 >>> know of our new email address. (I exaggerate a bit there!) What
 I
 >>> haven't worked out is are these companies responding to some
 emails
 >>> that bounced? or are they just assuming that all iinet customers
 need
 >>> to change their address.
 >>>
 >>> It is becoming a real problem; and very time consuming in trying
 to
 >>> contact each company to tell them my address is valid.
 >>>
 >>> Whether or not the Messaging Company will be happy to have all
 these
 >>> iinet customers after the first year we will just have to wait
 and
 >>> see.. Along with how much they charge us.
 >>>
 >>> Best wishes all
 &g

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Peter Crisp via WAMUG]

   HI Stephen, yes by simply “Opting In” to have Westnet migrate your
   email service to TMC, you’re merely saying to Westnet - at the deadline
   date, transition my email service to TMC. I don’t believe the
   transition has happened yet. The greeting email we received upon
   “Opting In” said to wait for further instructions which will be
   delivered later. In the meantime time continue to use the Westnet
   webmail page if that is what you use, as I do sometimes (when on my
   work Windows laptop).

   Regards
   Pete

 On 4 Nov 2023, at 10:15 pm, Stephen Chape 
 wrote:

   

 Hi Wendy … you have me intrigued.

   Why do you now log in to The Messaging Co ?

   My daughter is with Westnet.

   She simply she followed the steps suggested by Westnet to retain her
   email address

   by the due date and nothing has changed.

   On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:51 pm, Pete via WAMUG 
   wrote:

   Thanks and agreed Robin. Completely frictionless as you say.
   Regards
   Pete

 On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:12 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Hi Wendy,
 I’m not sure you have fully understood the minimal effect on the
 user that the transfer of the email hosting of iinet, westnet et.
 al. email services actually entails.
 Now perhaps because you appear to be accessing your email via a web
 browser you are experiencing the dual login dance (it sounds absurd
 to me).
 You could consider using an email client, such as Mail, which comes
 installed on every macintosh and iPhone.
 Using these services I, my wife, and my children have experienced a
 frictionless transition.
 Infact they don’t really know, or care, who is managing their email
 hosting.
 All they care about is continuity of service, which they have
 experienced.
 As for your assertion that third party companies, such as Medibank
 etc. expect you to change your email address is a complete nonsense.
 If that is what you have been told you, have been badly advised.
 You just keep using your westnet/iinet/ address as if nothing has
 happened.
 Regards,
 Robin

 On 4 Nov 2023, at 5:40 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.
 I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers in
 fact)
 and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out source
 the
 management of their iinet email customers.
 I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company
 first;
 this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I log
 in
 again.
 All is OK;  except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL iinet
 customers MUST change their address.  Our postman (the one that goes
 around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the numbers
 of
 letters this household has received requesting us to let the company
 know of our new email address.  (I exaggerate a bit there!)  What I
 haven't worked out is are these companies responding to some emails
 that bounced? or are they just assuming that all iinet customers
 need
 to change their address.
 It is becoming a real problem;  and very time consuming in trying to
 contact each company to tell them my address is valid.
 Whether or not the Messaging Company will be happy to have all these
 iinet customers after the first year we will just have to wait and
 see..  Along with how much they charge us.
 Best wishes all
 Wendy
 Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located on
 the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people.
   - Original Message -
 From:
 "WAMUG" 
 To:
   "WAMUG" 
 Cc:
   "Peter Crisp" 
 Sent:
   Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:55:29 +0800
 Subject:
   Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
   Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
   understand.
   Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
 outsourcing
   the email management. This was received with big groans. However,
   Westnet (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
   Messaging Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in
   which case they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or
   iinet) Mail accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you
   will keep exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted
 in
   as making a change to a different email address would be a huge
   undertaking with all the tangles with multiple other
 subscriptions,
   providers etc my email address is associated with. Same to for the
 4
   other family members in my family. I dug further into this - the
   first
   year of email management is free with The Messaging Company and
 then
   from year 2, they will charge a fee 

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Hi Wendy … you have me intrigued.

   Why do you now log in to The Messaging Co ?

   My daughter is with Westnet.

   She simply she followed the steps suggested by Westnet to retain her
   email address

   by the due date and nothing has changed.

   On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:51 pm, Pete via WAMUG 
   wrote:

   Thanks and agreed Robin. Completely frictionless as you say.
   Regards
   Pete

 On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:12 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Hi Wendy,
 I’m not sure you have fully understood the minimal effect on the
 user that the transfer of the email hosting of iinet, westnet et.
 al. email services actually entails.
 Now perhaps because you appear to be accessing your email via a web
 browser you are experiencing the dual login dance (it sounds absurd
 to me).
 You could consider using an email client, such as Mail, which comes
 installed on every macintosh and iPhone.
 Using these services I, my wife, and my children have experienced a
 frictionless transition.
 Infact they don’t really know, or care, who is managing their email
 hosting.
 All they care about is continuity of service, which they have
 experienced.
 As for your assertion that third party companies, such as Medibank
 etc. expect you to change your email address is a complete nonsense.
 If that is what you have been told you, have been badly advised.
 You just keep using your westnet/iinet/ address as if nothing has
 happened.
 Regards,
 Robin

 On 4 Nov 2023, at 5:40 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.
 I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers in
 fact)
 and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out source
 the
 management of their iinet email customers.
 I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company
 first;
 this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I log
 in
 again.
 All is OK;  except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL iinet
 customers MUST change their address.  Our postman (the one that goes
 around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the numbers
 of
 letters this household has received requesting us to let the company
 know of our new email address.  (I exaggerate a bit there!)  What I
 haven't worked out is are these companies responding to some emails
 that bounced? or are they just assuming that all iinet customers
 need
 to change their address.
 It is becoming a real problem;  and very time consuming in trying to
 contact each company to tell them my address is valid.
 Whether or not the Messaging Company will be happy to have all these
 iinet customers after the first year we will just have to wait and
 see..  Along with how much they charge us.
 Best wishes all
 Wendy
 Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located on
 the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people.
   - Original Message -
 From:
 "WAMUG" 
 To:
   "WAMUG" 
 Cc:
   "Peter Crisp" 
 Sent:
   Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:55:29 +0800
 Subject:
   Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
   Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
   understand.
   Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are
 outsourcing
   the email management. This was received with big groans. However,
   Westnet (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
   Messaging Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in
   which case they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or
   iinet) Mail accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you
   will keep exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted
 in
   as making a change to a different email address would be a huge
   undertaking with all the tangles with multiple other
 subscriptions,
   providers etc my email address is associated with. Same to for the
 4
   other family members in my family. I dug further into this - the
   first
   year of email management is free with The Messaging Company and
 then
   from year 2, they will charge a fee for the email management. If I
   look at my Westnet plan, the current email management fee will
   disappear form day 1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know
   yet
   how much The Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
   You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions
 or
   there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
   Kind Regards
   Peter Crisp
   - Original Message -
   From: "WAMUG"
   To:"WAMUG"
   Cc:"Rod Blitvich"
   Sent:Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Pete via WAMUG]

Thanks and agreed Robin. Completely frictionless as you say.

Regards

Pete

> On 4 Nov 2023, at 6:12 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Wendy,
> 
> I’m not sure you have fully understood the minimal effect on the user that 
> the transfer of the email hosting of iinet, westnet et. al. email services 
> actually entails.
> Now perhaps because you appear to be accessing your email via a web browser 
> you are experiencing the dual login dance (it sounds absurd to me).
> 
> You could consider using an email client, such as Mail, which comes 
> installed on every macintosh and iPhone.
> Using these services I, my wife, and my children have experienced a 
> frictionless transition.
> Infact they don’t really know, or care, who is managing their email hosting.
> All they care about is continuity of service, which they have experienced.
> 
> As for your assertion that third party companies, such as Medibank etc. 
> expect you to change your email address is a complete nonsense.
> If that is what you have been told you, have been badly advised.
> 
> You just keep using your westnet/iinet/ address as if nothing has happened.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Robin
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Nov 2023, at 5:40 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.
>> 
>>  I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers in fact)
>>  and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out source the
>>  management of their iinet email customers.
>> 
>>  I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company first;
>>  this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I log in
>>  again.
>> 
>>  All is OK;  except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL iinet
>>  customers MUST change their address.  Our postman (the one that goes
>>  around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the numbers of
>>  letters this household has received requesting us to let the company
>>  know of our new email address.  (I exaggerate a bit there!)  What I
>>  haven't worked out is are these companies responding to some emails
>>  that bounced? or are they just assuming that all iinet customers need
>>  to change their address.
>> 
>>  It is becoming a real problem;  and very time consuming in trying to
>>  contact each company to tell them my address is valid.
>> 
>>  Whether or not the Messaging Company will be happy to have all these
>>  iinet customers after the first year we will just have to wait and
>>  see..  Along with how much they charge us.
>> 
>>  Best wishes all
>> 
>>  Wendy
>> 
>>  Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located on
>>  the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people.
>> 
>> 
>>- Original Message -
>> 
>>  From:
>>  "WAMUG" 
>> 
>>  To:
>> 
>>"WAMUG" 
>> 
>>  Cc:
>> 
>>"Peter Crisp" 
>> 
>>  Sent:
>> 
>>Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:55:29 +0800
>> 
>>  Subject:
>> 
>>Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
>>Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
>>understand.
>>Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing
>>the email management. This was received with big groans. However,
>>Westnet (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
>>Messaging Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in
>>which case they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or
>>iinet) Mail accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you
>>will keep exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in
>>as making a change to a different email address would be a huge
>>undertaking with all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions,
>>providers etc my email address is associated with. Same to for the 4
>>other family members in my family. I dug further into this - the
>>first
>>year of email management is free with The Messaging Company and then
>>from year 2, they will charge a fee for the email management. If I
>>look at my Westnet plan, the current email management fee will
>>disappear form day 1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know
>>yet
>>how much The Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
>>You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or
>>there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
>>Kind Regards
>>Pete

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Robin Belford via WAMUG]

Hi Wendy,

I’m not sure you have fully understood the minimal effect on the user that the 
transfer of the email hosting of iinet, westnet et. al. email services actually 
entails.
Now perhaps because you appear to be accessing your email via a web browser you 
are experiencing the dual login dance (it sounds absurd to me).

You could consider using an email client, such as Mail, which comes installed 
on every macintosh and iPhone.
Using these services I, my wife, and my children have experienced a 
frictionless transition. 
Infact they don’t really know, or care, who is managing their email hosting.
All they care about is continuity of service, which they have experienced.

As for your assertion that third party companies, such as Medibank etc. expect 
you to change your email address is a complete nonsense. 
If that is what you have been told you, have been badly advised.

You just keep using your westnet/iinet/ address as if nothing has happened.

Regards,

Robin




> On 4 Nov 2023, at 5:40 pm, wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.
> 
>   I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers in fact)
>   and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out source the
>   management of their iinet email customers.
> 
>   I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company first;
>   this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I log in
>   again.
> 
>   All is OK;  except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL iinet
>   customers MUST change their address.  Our postman (the one that goes
>   around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the numbers of
>   letters this household has received requesting us to let the company
>   know of our new email address.  (I exaggerate a bit there!)  What I
>   haven't worked out is are these companies responding to some emails
>   that bounced? or are they just assuming that all iinet customers need
>   to change their address.
> 
>   It is becoming a real problem;  and very time consuming in trying to
>   contact each company to tell them my address is valid.
> 
>   Whether or not the Messaging Company will be happy to have all these
>   iinet customers after the first year we will just have to wait and
>   see..  Along with how much they charge us.
> 
>   Best wishes all
> 
>   Wendy
> 
>   Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located on
>   the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
>   From:
>   "WAMUG" 
> 
>   To:
> 
> "WAMUG" 
> 
>   Cc:
> 
> "Peter Crisp" 
> 
>   Sent:
> 
> Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:55:29 +0800
> 
>   Subject:
> 
> Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
> Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
> understand.
> Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing
> the email management. This was received with big groans. However,
> Westnet (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
> Messaging Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in
> which case they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or
> iinet) Mail accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you
> will keep exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in
> as making a change to a different email address would be a huge
> undertaking with all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions,
> providers etc my email address is associated with. Same to for the 4
> other family members in my family. I dug further into this - the
> first
> year of email management is free with The Messaging Company and then
> from year 2, they will charge a fee for the email management. If I
> look at my Westnet plan, the current email management fee will
> disappear form day 1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know
> yet
> how much The Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
> You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or
> there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
> Kind Regards
> Peter Crisp
> - Original Message -
> From: "WAMUG"
> To:"WAMUG"
> Cc:"Rod Blitvich"
> Sent:Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
> Subject:[WAMUG] Which Email address?
> Hi Folks
> So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
> Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
> primary address?
> I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
> I have the following email addresses:
> rb...@iinet.net.au
> bli...@mac.com

Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[wendy.corrick--- via WAMUG]

   Yep Peter I agree with your good summary.

   I too have an iinet address (one of their very early customers in fact)
   and I did more than groan when I heard they intended to out source the
   management of their iinet email customers.

   I did it by the due date and now log in to The Messaging Company first;
   this takes me automatically to the familiar iinet screen where I log in
   again.

   All is OK;  except many companies eg Medibank assume that ALL iinet
   customers MUST change their address.  Our postman (the one that goes
   around the streets delivering mail) is weighed down by the numbers of
   letters this household has received requesting us to let the company
   know of our new email address.  (I exaggerate a bit there!)  What I
   haven't worked out is are these companies responding to some emails
   that bounced? or are they just assuming that all iinet customers need
   to change their address.

   It is becoming a real problem;  and very time consuming in trying to
   contact each company to tell them my address is valid.

   Whether or not the Messaging Company will be happy to have all these
   iinet customers after the first year we will just have to wait and
   see..  Along with how much they charge us.

   Best wishes all

   Wendy

   Friends of Gabbiljee respectfully acknowledges that it is located on
   the land of the Whadjuk Noongar people.


 - Original Message -

   From:
   "WAMUG" 

   To:

 "WAMUG" 

   Cc:

 "Peter Crisp" 

   Sent:

 Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:55:29 +0800

   Subject:

 Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?
 Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I
 understand.
 Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing
 the email management. This was received with big groans. However,
 Westnet (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The
 Messaging Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in
 which case they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or
 iinet) Mail accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you
 will keep exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in
 as making a change to a different email address would be a huge
 undertaking with all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions,
 providers etc my email address is associated with. Same to for the 4
 other family members in my family. I dug further into this - the
 first
 year of email management is free with The Messaging Company and then
 from year 2, they will charge a fee for the email management. If I
 look at my Westnet plan, the current email management fee will
 disappear form day 1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know
 yet
 how much The Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
 You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or
 there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
 Kind Regards
 Peter Crisp
 - Original Message -
 From: "WAMUG"
 To:"WAMUG"
 Cc:"Rod Blitvich"
 Sent:Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
 Subject:[WAMUG] Which Email address?
 Hi Folks
 So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
 Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
 primary address?
 I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
 I have the following email addresses:
 rb...@iinet.net.au
 bli...@mac.com
 bli...@icloud.com
 I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
 Thank you
 Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Marcus Harris via WAMUG]

As I understand the situation, IINET or WESTNET are the internet service 
providers and that won’t change. 
One isn’t obliged to use @ iinet or @ westnet.
I haven’t used those addresses for several years and I’m happy with all the 
apple addresses @me @ Mac @ iCloud.
Cheers 
Marcus 
Marcus Harris
Mobile +61417965618

 

> On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:56 pm, Peter Crisp via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
>    Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I understand.
>   Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing the
>   email management. This was received with big groans. However, Westnet
>   (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
>   Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which case
>   they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet) Mail
>   accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
>   exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as making a
>   change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking with
>   all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc my
>   email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
>   members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of email
>   management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year 2,
>   they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
>   Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form day
>   1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
>   Messaging Company will charge from year 2.
> 
>   You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or
>   there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
>   Kind Regards
>   Peter Crisp
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
>   From:
>   "WAMUG" 
> 
>   To:
> 
> "WAMUG" 
> 
>   Cc:
> 
> "Rod Blitvich" 
> 
>   Sent:
> 
> Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800
> 
>   Subject:
> 
> [WAMUG] Which Email address?
> Hi Folks
> So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
> Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
> primary address?
> I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
> I have the following email addresses:
> rb...@iinet.net.au
> bli...@mac.com
> bli...@icloud.com
> I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
> Thank you
> Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Peter Crisp via WAMUG]

   Hi Rod, I am with Westnet as my ISP - same org as iinet I understand.
   Westnet advised me a couple of months back too they are outsourcing the
   email management. This was received with big groans. However, Westnet
   (and iinet) are outsourcing the email management to The Messaging
   Company. You have the choice to Opt In to their plan, in which case
   they will manage the full migration of your Westnet (or iinet) Mail
   accounts to The Messaging Company, but importantly you will keep
   exactly the same email address afterwards. I have opted in as making a
   change to a different email address would be a huge undertaking with
   all the tangles with multiple other subscriptions, providers etc my
   email address is associated with. Same to for the 4 other family
   members in my family. I dug further into this - the first year of email
   management is free with The Messaging Company and then from year 2,
   they will charge a fee for the email management. If I look at my
   Westnet plan, the current email management fee will disappear form day
   1 after migration and thereafter. I don't know yet how much The
   Messaging Company will charge from year 2.

   You can ring the helpline for further details if other questions or
   there is an FAQ page for the commonly asked questions.
   Kind Regards
   Peter Crisp

 - Original Message -

   From:
   "WAMUG" 

   To:

 "WAMUG" 

   Cc:

 "Rod Blitvich" 

   Sent:

 Thu, 2 Nov 2023 14:13:05 +0800

   Subject:

 [WAMUG] Which Email address?
 Hi Folks
 So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
 Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
 primary address?
 I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
 I have the following email addresses:
 rb...@iinet.net.au
 bli...@mac.com
 bli...@icloud.com
 I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
 Thank you
 Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Which Email address?

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Hi Rod.

   I switched to my Apple address about 18 months ago.

   So if I change providers and don’t have a lot of senders to notify.

   You could use either @mac.com or @icloud.com

   That is the same solution I have suggested to my family.

   On 2 Nov 2023, at 2:13 pm, Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
wrote:

 Hi Folks
 So iinet email is shifting to another provider.
 Please can you suggest which email address should now I use as my
 primary address?
 I currently use rb...@iinet.net.au
 I have the following email addresses:
   * rb...@iinet.net.au
   * bli...@mac.com
   * bli...@icloud.com
 I am thinking of making bli...@mac.com as my primary address
 Thank you
 Rod Blitvich
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Re: [WAMUG] Searching emails

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Hi All,

   I think I have cracked it, just too obvious for me!!

   When I get results of a search, I have to open the email & it tells me
   up the top right where it is residing.

   What I was looking for was a spreadsheet type result with date etc &
   where it is residing on that one line without having to open the email
   to find out.

   Cheers & thanks, Alex

   On 14 Oct 2023, at 10:35 pm, Alex via WAMUG 
   wrote:

 Thank you for your reply & advice, Robin.
 However, I must be obtuse or blind as I can’t see any circle with a
 chevron inside it?
 Cheers,  Alex
 On 14 Oct 2023, at 3:06 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Hi Alex,
 I believe you are looking for something like this.
 
 But you won’t see it if your mail is threaded like this
 
 until you click on the chevron inside the circle and get this
 
 now select the individual message and you will have the mailbox
   shown.
 Hope this helps
 Robin
   On 12 Oct 2023, at 10:44 pm, Alex via WAMUG
wrote:
Hello Wamuggians,
I’m wondering if the search functionality in Mail has changed
   somewhat?
 When I search for an email that I know I have seen recently but
   it’s
not in my In Box, the results do not show where it is now
   residing.
Is
there a preference/setting that I am not aware of?
Using a new MacBook Air with Ventura.
Cheers,  Alex
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Re: [WAMUG] Searching emails

[Alex via WAMUG]

   Thank you for your reply & advice, Robin.

   However, I must be obtuse or blind as I can’t see any circle with a
   chevron inside it?

   Cheers,  Alex

   On 14 Oct 2023, at 3:06 pm, Robin Belford via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi Alex,
   I believe you are looking for something like this.
   
   But you won’t see it if your mail is threaded like this
   
   until you click on the chevron inside the circle and get this
   
   now select the individual message and you will have the mailbox shown.
   Hope this helps
   Robin

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  Hello Wamuggians,
  I’m wondering if the search functionality in Mail has changed
 somewhat?
   When I search for an email that I know I have seen recently but
 it’s
  not in my In Box, the results do not show where it is now residing.
  Is
  there a preference/setting that I am not aware of?
  Using a new MacBook Air with Ventura.
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Re: [WAMUG] Finder - Recents.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG]

Thank you to the members that replied. I saved myself some grief.

Kind Regards

Tony Francis

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> On 12 Oct 2023, at 20:58, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony
> 
> Yes, as Tim mentioned, you don’t want to delete those, or you will lose it.
> Recents is just a “ghost image” of where all your files are stored currently 
> in other places on the computers. So if you delete them, you’re technically 
> deleting the originals.
> Easiest way to not see them, is to change what you see when you click on 
> Finder.
> 
> To do that, go to Finder.
> Then go to the Finder menu and click on Preferences. (Or Settings in Ventura 
> and above).
> Then click on General.
> Under “New Finder windows show” - you can then change “Recent” to say 
> “Documents” or your user directory (eg “Tony" or whatever your user account 
> is called).
> Then close that window.
> 
> Now, when you click on Finder (“the little smiley person on the left of the 
> Dock”), you’ll get taken to the folder you selected above. 
> I tend to have mine just open to my User directory, as then I can go to all 
> my main folders from there - Desktop, Documents, etc.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
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>> On 12 Oct 2023, at 5:06 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Guy’s 
>> Just a question, when opening the FINDER it opens with RECENT, can I just 
>> delete all of the recent activity? Or will I lose the original files?
>> 
>> I know that I should know the answer but I’m just making sure.
>> 
>> Thanks all
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Tony Francis
>> 
>> BODDINGTON
>> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Finder - Recents.

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Tony

Yes, as Tim mentioned, you don’t want to delete those, or you will lose it.
Recents is just a “ghost image” of where all your files are stored currently in 
other places on the computers. So if you delete them, you’re technically 
deleting the originals.
Easiest way to not see them, is to change what you see when you click on Finder.

To do that, go to Finder.
Then go to the Finder menu and click on Preferences. (Or Settings in Ventura 
and above).
Then click on General.
Under “New Finder windows show” - you can then change “Recent” to say 
“Documents” or your user directory (eg “Tony" or whatever your user account is 
called).
Then close that window.

Now, when you click on Finder (“the little smiley person on the left of the 
Dock”), you’ll get taken to the folder you selected above. 
I tend to have mine just open to my User directory, as then I can go to all my 
main folders from there - Desktop, Documents, etc.

Hope that helps.

Kind regards
Daniel

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> On 12 Oct 2023, at 5:06 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Guy’s 
> Just a question, when opening the FINDER it opens with RECENT, can I just 
> delete all of the recent activity? Or will I lose the original files?
> 
> I know that I should know the answer but I’m just making sure.
> 
> Thanks all
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony Francis
> 
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> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Finder - Recents.

[Tim Law via WAMUG]

Hi Tony,

I think you lose the file. 

Regards

Tim

> On 12 Oct 2023, at 5:06 pm, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Guy’s 
> Just a question, when opening the FINDER it opens with RECENT, can I just 
> delete all of the recent activity? Or will I lose the original files?
> 
> I know that I should know the answer but I’m just making sure.
> 
> Thanks all
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony Francis
> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Finder - Recents.

[Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG]

Hi Guy’s 
Just a question, when opening the FINDER it opens with RECENT, can I just 
delete all of the recent activity? Or will I lose the original files?

I know that I should know the answer but I’m just making sure.

Thanks all

Kind Regards

Tony Francis

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Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[FW via WAMUG]

Hi Daniel,

Yes, that clarifies the situation and I know what I should do.

Thank you for your advice.

Cheers

Walter

> On 9 Oct 2023, at 18:23 , Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Walter
> 
> Yes, you have to repeat the transfer process for each email address.  Each 
> one will get sent a seperate code to verify it, then complete the Transfer.
> So for each different email address, you have to complete it.
> This is where it can add up - as for each person it will mostly likely be per 
> mailbox/per month. So can add up. 
> At this stage TMC still don’t have pricing on what this will cost. Reading 
> forums and things, it’s likely to be $3-$5 per month per email address. There 
> was also rumours they may do a “free tier” but that it will come ads in your 
> email. This is all rumours and speculation, so all this could change. At the 
> moment they (TMC) say they’ll advice pricing a few months before it’s renewed 
> (Sept 2024 which is when iinet etc have paid it up to).
> 
> I have more info about it on my previous newspage here - 
> https://macwizardry.com.au/news-2023-09.html
> And also on my last newsletter here - 
> https://mailchi.mp/2aa3a487e7ed/macwizardry-news-apr2023-6095435
> 
> These transfers have to be put in place before some time this month I think 
> it is. (or it may have been increased to Nov - but I’d probably get the 
> transfer in place as soon as possible so to not risk losing the email 
> addresses.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
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> 
>> On 8 Oct 2023, at 5:32 pm, FW via WAMUG  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hello Daniel,
>> 
>>  I did the transfer to Messaging Co. and received a confirmation from
>>  them.
>> 
>>  Do I need to do the same with my wife’s email address which is included
>>  in my iiNet account ?
>> 
>>  Thanks,
>> 
>>  Cheers
>> 
>>  Walter
>> 
>>On 13 Aug 2023, at 14:32 , Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
>><[1]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
>>  Thanks Daniel
>>  Yep - I didn’t get an email from them either.
>>  I guess we might have to look for a new ISP before September 2024
>>  Cheers
>>  Rod ([1][2]atiinet.net.au)
>>  image.gif
>>  Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>>  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>>[2][3]rb...@iinet.net.au
>>  On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
>>  <[4]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
>>  Hi All
>>  An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to
>>be
>>  honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email
>>from
>>  iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come later
>>on
>>  perhaps?)
>>  Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode
>>etc)
>>  have decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s
>>emails.
>>  (And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email
>>address).
>>  They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP)
>>are
>>  apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I
>>can
>>  gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using your
>>@isp
>>  email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen
>>any
>>  plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from $3.99
>>per
>>  email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the quota
>>would
>>  be.
>>  Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the
>>email
>>  address.
>>  The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the
>>main
>>  iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all
>>have a
>>  link to information about it.
>>  [5]https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
>>  Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company),
>>website's
>>  is fairly sparse on information.
>>  Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people.
>>Who
>>  may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to
>>keep
>>  it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see
>>a
>>  price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email
>>  addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
>>  (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that
>>I’ve
>>  

Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Walter

Yes, you have to repeat the transfer process for each email address.  Each one 
will get sent a seperate code to verify it, then complete the Transfer.
So for each different email address, you have to complete it.
This is where it can add up - as for each person it will mostly likely be per 
mailbox/per month. So can add up. 
At this stage TMC still don’t have pricing on what this will cost. Reading 
forums and things, it’s likely to be $3-$5 per month per email address. There 
was also rumours they may do a “free tier” but that it will come ads in your 
email. This is all rumours and speculation, so all this could change. At the 
moment they (TMC) say they’ll advice pricing a few months before it’s renewed 
(Sept 2024 which is when iinet etc have paid it up to).

I have more info about it on my previous newspage here - 
https://macwizardry.com.au/news-2023-09.html
And also on my last newsletter here - 
https://mailchi.mp/2aa3a487e7ed/macwizardry-news-apr2023-6095435

These transfers have to be put in place before some time this month I think it 
is. (or it may have been increased to Nov - but I’d probably get the transfer 
in place as soon as possible so to not risk losing the email addresses.

Hope that helps.
Kind regards
Daniel

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> On 8 Oct 2023, at 5:32 pm, FW via WAMUG  wrote:
> 
>   Hello Daniel,
> 
>   I did the transfer to Messaging Co. and received a confirmation from
>   them.
> 
>   Do I need to do the same with my wife’s email address which is included
>   in my iiNet account ?
> 
>   Thanks,
> 
>   Cheers
> 
>   Walter
> 
> On 13 Aug 2023, at 14:32 , Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
> <[1]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
>   Thanks Daniel
>   Yep - I didn’t get an email from them either.
>   I guess we might have to look for a new ISP before September 2024
>   Cheers
>   Rod ([1][2]atiinet.net.au)
>   image.gif
>   Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> [2][3]rb...@iinet.net.au
>   On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
>   <[4]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
>   Hi All
>   An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to
> be
>   honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email
> from
>   iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come later
> on
>   perhaps?)
>   Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode
> etc)
>   have decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s
> emails.
>   (And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email
> address).
>   They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP)
> are
>   apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I
> can
>   gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using your
> @isp
>   email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen
> any
>   plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from $3.99
> per
>   email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the quota
> would
>   be.
>   Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the
> email
>   address.
>   The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the
> main
>   iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all
> have a
>   link to information about it.
>   [5]https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
>   Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company),
> website's
>   is fairly sparse on information.
>   Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people.
> Who
>   may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to
> keep
>   it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see
> a
>   price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email
>   addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
>   (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that
> I’ve
>   been with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s there).
>   I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp address,
> so
>   definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
>   Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a “free”
> 

Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Rosemary Spark via WAMUG]

   Yes. I’m with Westnet…20 years. They sent an email in June about it. I
   also contacted the Messaging Company, but apart from an acknowledgment
   that’s all for now.

I’m trying to decouple all the people I use that address for. I’m
   hoping the year’s grace will allow me to track everything that is
   connected to my westnet address…not always easy because some firms
   require a recovery email different from your login one.

   Cheers

   Rosemary Spark
   PO Box 781 South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
   0414268043
   [1]arkaysp...@gmail.com

   On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 at 17:32, FW via WAMUG <[2]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au>
   wrote:

Hello Daniel,
I did the transfer to Messaging Co. and received a confirmation
 from
them.
Do I need to do the same with my wife’s email address which is
 included
in my iiNet account ?
Thanks,
Cheers
Walter
  On 13 Aug 2023, at 14:32 , Rod Blitvich via WAMUG
  <[1][3]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
Thanks Daniel
Yep - I didn’t get an email from them either.
I guess we might have to look for a new ISP before September
 2024
Cheers
Rod ([1][2][4]atiinet.net.au)
image.gif
Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
  [2][3][5]rb...@iinet.net.au
On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
<[4][6]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
Hi All
An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and
 to
  be
honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an
 email
  from
iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come
 later
  on
perhaps?)
Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet,
 Internode
  etc)
have decided they are no longer going to host their
 customer’s
  emails.
(And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email
  address).
They are moving it over to another business where they (the
 ISP)
  are
apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from
 what I
  can
gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using
 your
  @isp
email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t
 seen
  any
plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from
 $3.99
  per
email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the
 quota
  would
be.
Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep
 the
  email
address.
The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on
 the
  main
iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc),
 all
  have a
link to information about it.
[5][7]https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company),
  website's
is fairly sparse on information.
Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of
 people.
  Who
may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they
 want to
  keep
it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans
 won’t see
  a
price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting
 email
addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
(I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years
 that
  I’ve
been with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s
 there).
I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp
 address,
  so
definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a
 “free”
  email
address like @iCloud.com, @[8]gmail.com etc- then you can
 change ISPs
without having to tell everyone your email address has
 changed.
(As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at
 some of
  the
“email only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan
 is
  $60 a
year per mailbox)
Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens
 with
  it.
Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have
 seen
  or
been aware of this. :)
Kind regards
Daniel
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Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[FW via WAMUG]

Hello Daniel,

I did the transfer to Messaging Co. and received a confirmation from them.
Do I need to do the same with my wife’s email address which is included in my 
iiNet account ?

Thanks, 
Cheers

Walter

> On 13 Aug 2023, at 14:32 , Rod Blitvich via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
>   Thanks Daniel
> 
>   Yep - I didn’t get an email from them either.
> 
>   I guess we might have to look for a new ISP before September 2024
> 
>   Cheers
> 
>   Rod ([1]atiinet.net.au)
>   image.gif
>   Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> [2]rb...@iinet.net.au
> 
>   On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
>wrote:
> 
>   Hi All
>   An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to be
>   honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email from
>   iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come later on
>   perhaps?)
>   Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode etc)
>   have decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s emails.
>   (And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email address).
>   They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP) are
>   apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I can
>   gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using your @isp
>   email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen any
>   plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from $3.99 per
>   email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the quota would
>   be.
>   Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the email
>   address.
>   The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the main
>   iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all have a
>   link to information about it.
>   https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
>   Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company), website's
>   is fairly sparse on information.
>   Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people. Who
>   may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to keep
>   it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see a
>   price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email
>   addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
>   (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that I’ve
>   been with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s there).
>   I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp address, so
>   definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
>   Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a “free” email
>   address like @iCloud.com, @gmail.com etc- then you can change ISPs
>   without having to tell everyone your email address has changed.
>   (As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at some of the
>   “email only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan is $60 a
>   year per mailbox)
>   Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens with it.
>   Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have seen or
>   been aware of this. :)
>   Kind regards
>   Daniel
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Re: [WAMUG] Tuesday's meeting

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

No worries Tony, glad that helped.

It’s actually quite clever,..(in a bad way). As 1) it uses an “icon” to make it 
look like it’s a System Preference to trick you into thinking it’s coming from 
the System itself and so you don’t look at it in Safari and 2) because it’s in 
Safari it uses your browsing history to “tailor” the pops to each person. So 
say you went to your bank (Westpac), and then Dymocks to look at a book, it 
will tailor the pop up notification to say “your Westpac account has been 
compromised” or “Dymocks link you visited was infected, so now your computer is 
infected. And so on. So each notification/pop up is different for each person.

And because it’s a Safari Notification item, most Malware/Virus scanners won’t 
see it when you run a scan. 

If only all these people that wrote bad things actually put their work to 
good,..the world would be a better place! :)

Enjoy your day. (Pop up free,..hehe).

Kind regards
Daniel

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> On 4 Oct 2023, at 10:03 am, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony
> 
> It’s actually not a virus or Malware. So scans won’t pick it up. 
> It’s a weird notification and you can remove it as follows. 
> 
> Open Safari. 
> Go to preferences. / Settings
> Go to Websites
> On the left hand side Go right to the bottom to Notifications. Click on this. 
> On the right hand side you’ll see a list of things. At the very top of this 
> will be one that just has a small icon but no text beside it. Click on it 
> once. 
> Then click remove down the bottom. 
> 
> It will then remove it and you shouldn’t get the notifications anymore 
> (You may need to Quit and re-open Safari again. )
> 
> But that should remove it and resolve it. 
> Kind regards 
> Daniel
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro 
> 
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>> On 4 Oct 2023, at 9:36 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good Morning fellow wamuggers
>> 
>> It’s been a while and sorry I missed the meeting yesterday, I would have 
>> liked to learn a little more about AIRDROP.
>> 
>> My reason for contacting the list today is because I am being bombarded with 
>> a message that keeps repeating every 5 or so minutes, it shows in the top 
>> right hand corner of my desktop under the safari logo telling me that I have 
>> 5 viruses in my system and the name used is VINEGARD ?? I have tried to find 
>> the source as to how this message is activated but I can’t find it, the 
>> message appears even with the wireless turned off, so it’s within my system 
>> somewhere.
>> Any thoughts guy’s?
>> 
>> Thanks all, have a great day
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Tony Francis
>> 
>> BODDINGTON
>> 
>> W.A.
>> 
>>> On 2 Oct 2023, at 15:45, Maureen Smith via WAMUG  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Fellow WAMUGers,
>>> 
>>> I learn a lot in meetings.  For instance, did you know that by bending
>>> a paper clip once, you can make a pretty cool ‘S’?
>>> 
>>> However, I didn’t learn that in a WAMUG general monthly meeting, but I
>>> have learnt other things.
>>> 
>>> Our October general meeting is this Tuesday, 3rd October at 7:30pm.
>>> Here are the details
>>> 
>>> MEETING TOPICS
>>> 
>>> 1 Available or coming in macOS Sonoma
>>> 
>>> 2 Airdropping over the internet
>>> 
>>> 3 Creating a collaborative playlist
>>> 
>>> 4 A look at a Journal App
>>> 
>>> 5 iWork apps have added support for USDZ format, which Apple says
>>> brings "new dimension" to users' documents and presentations "with 3D
>>> objects. (Needs Ventura at minimum to work.)
>>> 
>>> MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
>>> 
>>> Date: Tuesday 3RD October
>>> 
>>> Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
>>> 
>>> Zoom Meeting Link: [1]https://bit.ly/3rAsIhQ
>>> 
>>> Meeting ID: 875 1825 8878
>>> 
>>> Passcode

Re: [WAMUG] Tuesday's meeting

[Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG]

Hi Daniel

All done thank you. It was getting annoying, popping up every few minutes.

Take care

Tony

> On 4 Oct 2023, at 10:03, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony
> 
> It’s actually not a virus or Malware. So scans won’t pick it up. 
> It’s a weird notification and you can remove it as follows. 
> 
> Open Safari. 
> Go to preferences. / Settings
> Go to Websites
> On the left hand side Go right to the bottom to Notifications. Click on this. 
> On the right hand side you’ll see a list of things. At the very top of this 
> will be one that just has a small icon but no text beside it. Click on it 
> once. 
> Then click remove down the bottom. 
> 
> It will then remove it and you shouldn’t get the notifications anymore 
> (You may need to Quit and re-open Safari again. )
> 
> But that should remove it and resolve it. 
> Kind regards 
> Daniel
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro 
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>> On 4 Oct 2023, at 9:36 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good Morning fellow wamuggers
>> 
>> It’s been a while and sorry I missed the meeting yesterday, I would have 
>> liked to learn a little more about AIRDROP.
>> 
>> My reason for contacting the list today is because I am being bombarded with 
>> a message that keeps repeating every 5 or so minutes, it shows in the top 
>> right hand corner of my desktop under the safari logo telling me that I have 
>> 5 viruses in my system and the name used is VINEGARD ?? I have tried to find 
>> the source as to how this message is activated but I can’t find it, the 
>> message appears even with the wireless turned off, so it’s within my system 
>> somewhere.
>> Any thoughts guy’s?
>> 
>> Thanks all, have a great day
>> 
>> Kind Regards
>> 
>> Tony Francis
>> 
>> BODDINGTON
>> 
>> W.A.
>> 
>>> On 2 Oct 2023, at 15:45, Maureen Smith via WAMUG  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Fellow WAMUGers,
>>> 
>>> I learn a lot in meetings.  For instance, did you know that by bending
>>> a paper clip once, you can make a pretty cool ‘S’?
>>> 
>>> However, I didn’t learn that in a WAMUG general monthly meeting, but I
>>> have learnt other things.
>>> 
>>> Our October general meeting is this Tuesday, 3rd October at 7:30pm.
>>> Here are the details
>>> 
>>> MEETING TOPICS
>>> 
>>> 1 Available or coming in macOS Sonoma
>>> 
>>> 2 Airdropping over the internet
>>> 
>>> 3 Creating a collaborative playlist
>>> 
>>> 4 A look at a Journal App
>>> 
>>> 5 iWork apps have added support for USDZ format, which Apple says
>>> brings "new dimension" to users' documents and presentations "with 3D
>>> objects. (Needs Ventura at minimum to work.)
>>> 
>>> MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
>>> 
>>> Date: Tuesday 3RD October
>>> 
>>> Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
>>> 
>>> Zoom Meeting Link: [1]https://bit.ly/3rAsIhQ
>>> 
>>> Meeting ID: 875 1825 8878
>>> 
>>> Passcode:  917609
>>> 
>>> If you have problems with the link or prefer to go 'Old School,' follow
>>> these instructions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   * Type [2]zoom.us into your browser's address bar.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   * At the login screen, click the Join button. (located on the black
>>> coloured bar, third from the right)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   * At the Join Meeting screen, type in the meeting ID included in this
>>> email
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   * Finally, click Allow on the dialog box shown in your browser. If
>>> you don't see a dialogue, click the Launch Meeting button.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   We will be there waiting and looking forward to seeing you.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Maureen
>>> 
>>> References
>>> 
>>> 1. https://bit.ly/3rAsIhQ
>>> 2. http://zoom.us/
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Re: [WAMUG] Tuesday's meeting

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Tony

It’s actually not a virus or Malware. So scans won’t pick it up. 
It’s a weird notification and you can remove it as follows. 

Open Safari. 
Go to preferences. / Settings
Go to Websites
On the left hand side Go right to the bottom to Notifications. Click on this. 
On the right hand side you’ll see a list of things. At the very top of this 
will be one that just has a small icon but no text beside it. Click on it once. 
Then click remove down the bottom. 

It will then remove it and you shouldn’t get the notifications anymore 
(You may need to Quit and re-open Safari again. )

But that should remove it and resolve it. 
Kind regards 
Daniel

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> On 4 Oct 2023, at 9:36 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good Morning fellow wamuggers
> 
> It’s been a while and sorry I missed the meeting yesterday, I would have 
> liked to learn a little more about AIRDROP.
> 
> My reason for contacting the list today is because I am being bombarded with 
> a message that keeps repeating every 5 or so minutes, it shows in the top 
> right hand corner of my desktop under the safari logo telling me that I have 
> 5 viruses in my system and the name used is VINEGARD ?? I have tried to find 
> the source as to how this message is activated but I can’t find it, the 
> message appears even with the wireless turned off, so it’s within my system 
> somewhere.
> Any thoughts guy’s?
> 
> Thanks all, have a great day
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Tony Francis
> 
> BODDINGTON
> 
> W.A.
> 
>> On 2 Oct 2023, at 15:45, Maureen Smith via WAMUG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Hello Fellow WAMUGers,
>> 
>>  I learn a lot in meetings.  For instance, did you know that by bending
>>  a paper clip once, you can make a pretty cool ‘S’?
>> 
>>  However, I didn’t learn that in a WAMUG general monthly meeting, but I
>>  have learnt other things.
>> 
>>  Our October general meeting is this Tuesday, 3rd October at 7:30pm.
>>  Here are the details
>> 
>>  MEETING TOPICS
>> 
>>  1 Available or coming in macOS Sonoma
>> 
>>  2 Airdropping over the internet
>> 
>>  3 Creating a collaborative playlist
>> 
>>  4 A look at a Journal App
>> 
>>  5 iWork apps have added support for USDZ format, which Apple says
>>  brings "new dimension" to users' documents and presentations "with 3D
>>  objects. (Needs Ventura at minimum to work.)
>> 
>>  MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
>> 
>>  Date: Tuesday 3RD October
>> 
>>  Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
>> 
>>  Zoom Meeting Link: [1]https://bit.ly/3rAsIhQ
>> 
>>  Meeting ID: 875 1825 8878
>> 
>>  Passcode:  917609
>> 
>>  If you have problems with the link or prefer to go 'Old School,' follow
>>  these instructions.
>> 
>> 
>>* Type [2]zoom.us into your browser's address bar.
>> 
>> 
>>* At the login screen, click the Join button. (located on the black
>>  coloured bar, third from the right)
>> 
>> 
>>* At the Join Meeting screen, type in the meeting ID included in this
>>  email
>> 
>> 
>>* Finally, click Allow on the dialog box shown in your browser. If
>>  you don't see a dialogue, click the Launch Meeting button.
>> 
>> 
>>We will be there waiting and looking forward to seeing you.
>> 
>>  Cheers,
>> 
>>  Maureen
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>  1. https://bit.ly/3rAsIhQ
>>  2. http://zoom.us/
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Re: [WAMUG] Tuesday's meeting

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Hi Tony.

   I assume you have a virus & internet protector in place ?

   If so I suggest you run a full scan.

   It could be your virus protector giving the message.

   If not may I suggest your buy and install BitDefender.

   Then ask it to run a full scan.

   I have been using this for a few years and it has won the BEST award 3
   years running.

   Macs are good at protecting themselves, but NOT foolproof.

   BitDefender has told me a few times that it has detected and removed a
   virus.

   It has also blocked unwelcome entities.

   On 4 Oct 2023, at 9:36 am, Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG
wrote:

   Good Morning fellow wamuggers
   It’s been a while and sorry I missed the meeting yesterday, I would
   have liked to learn a little more about AIRDROP.
   My reason for contacting the list today is because I am being bombarded
   with a message that keeps repeating every 5 or so minutes, it shows in
   the top right hand corner of my desktop under the safari logo telling
   me that I have 5 viruses in my system and the name used is VINEGARD ??
   I have tried to find the source as to how this message is activated but
   I can’t find it, the message appears even with the wireless turned off,
   so it’s within my system somewhere.
   Any thoughts guy’s?
   Thanks all, have a great day
   Kind Regards
   Tony Francis
   BODDINGTON
   W.A.

 On 2 Oct 2023, at 15:45, Maureen Smith via WAMUG
  wrote:
  Hello Fellow WAMUGers,
  I learn a lot in meetings.  For instance, did you know that by
 bending
  a paper clip once, you can make a pretty cool ‘S’?
  However, I didn’t learn that in a WAMUG general monthly meeting,
 but I
  have learnt other things.
  Our October general meeting is this Tuesday, 3rd October at 7:30pm.
  Here are the details
  MEETING TOPICS
  1 Available or coming in macOS Sonoma
  2 Airdropping over the internet
  3 Creating a collaborative playlist
  4 A look at a Journal App
  5 iWork apps have added support for USDZ format, which Apple says
  brings "new dimension" to users' documents and presentations "with
 3D
  objects. (Needs Ventura at minimum to work.)
  MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
  Date: Tuesday 3RD October
  Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
  Zoom Meeting Link: [1]https://bit.ly/3rAsIhQ
  Meeting ID: 875 1825 8878
  Passcode:  917609
  If you have problems with the link or prefer to go 'Old School,'
 follow
  these instructions.
* Type [2]zoom.us into your browser's address bar.
* At the login screen, click the Join button. (located on the
 black
  coloured bar, third from the right)
* At the Join Meeting screen, type in the meeting ID included in
 this
  email
* Finally, click Allow on the dialog box shown in your browser.
 If
  you don't see a dialogue, click the Launch Meeting button.
We will be there waiting and looking forward to seeing you.
  Cheers,
  Maureen
 References
  1. https://bit.ly/3rAsIhQ
  2. http://zoom.us/
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Re: [WAMUG] Tuesday's meeting

[Anthony (Tony) Francis via WAMUG]

Good Morning fellow wamuggers

It’s been a while and sorry I missed the meeting yesterday, I would have liked 
to learn a little more about AIRDROP.

My reason for contacting the list today is because I am being bombarded with a 
message that keeps repeating every 5 or so minutes, it shows in the top right 
hand corner of my desktop under the safari logo telling me that I have 5 
viruses in my system and the name used is VINEGARD ?? I have tried to find the 
source as to how this message is activated but I can’t find it, the message 
appears even with the wireless turned off, so it’s within my system somewhere.
Any thoughts guy’s?

Thanks all, have a great day

Kind Regards

Tony Francis

BODDINGTON

W.A.

> On 2 Oct 2023, at 15:45, Maureen Smith via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
>   Hello Fellow WAMUGers,
> 
>   I learn a lot in meetings.  For instance, did you know that by bending
>   a paper clip once, you can make a pretty cool ‘S’?
> 
>   However, I didn’t learn that in a WAMUG general monthly meeting, but I
>   have learnt other things.
> 
>   Our October general meeting is this Tuesday, 3rd October at 7:30pm.
>   Here are the details
> 
>   MEETING TOPICS
> 
>   1 Available or coming in macOS Sonoma
> 
>   2 Airdropping over the internet
> 
>   3 Creating a collaborative playlist
> 
>   4 A look at a Journal App
> 
>   5 iWork apps have added support for USDZ format, which Apple says
>   brings "new dimension" to users' documents and presentations "with 3D
>   objects. (Needs Ventura at minimum to work.)
> 
>   MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
> 
>   Date: Tuesday 3RD October
> 
>   Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
> 
>   Zoom Meeting Link: [1]https://bit.ly/3rAsIhQ
> 
>   Meeting ID: 875 1825 8878
> 
>   Passcode:  917609
> 
>   If you have problems with the link or prefer to go 'Old School,' follow
>   these instructions.
> 
> 
> * Type [2]zoom.us into your browser's address bar.
> 
> 
> * At the login screen, click the Join button. (located on the black
>   coloured bar, third from the right)
> 
> 
> * At the Join Meeting screen, type in the meeting ID included in this
>   email
> 
> 
> * Finally, click Allow on the dialog box shown in your browser. If
>   you don't see a dialogue, click the Launch Meeting button.
> 
> 
> We will be there waiting and looking forward to seeing you.
> 
>   Cheers,
> 
>   Maureen
> 
> References
> 
>   1. https://bit.ly/3rAsIhQ
>   2. http://zoom.us/
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Re: [WAMUG] WAMUG General Meeting

[Marcus Harris via WAMUG]

Thanks Maureen.
I’m interested to know if any member or member’s associate comes to households 
or communicates online to do maintenance. 
For example I have 25000 iPhotos and a bewildering number of old emails.
Kind regards

Marcus 
Marcus Harris
Mobile +61417965618

 

> On 4 Sep 2023, at 11:42 am, Maureen Smith via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
>    Hello Fellow WAMUGers,
> 
>   I was in  Big W last week and saw shelves being stocked with Christmas
>   gifts!  Big business sure knows how to market the main events.
> 
>   Sadly, I don’t. Hence another late reminder that our monthly general
>   meeting is on Tuesday 5th September. Here are the details
> 
>   MEETING TOPICS
> 
>   1 Deleting ends from iMovie on an iPhone
> 
>   2 How to delete a back ground from your iPhone or iPad
> 
>   3 Tips for using reading list in Safari & how it differs from bookmarks
> 
>   4 Using your iPhone wallet
> 
>   MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
> 
>   Date: Tuesday 5th September
> 
>   Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
> 
>   Zoom Meeting Link:  https://bit.ly/3EqdD58
> 
>   Meeting ID: 896 8970 1015
> 
>   Passcode: 499062
> 
>   If you have problems with the link or prefer to go 'Old School,' follow
>   these instructions.
> 
> 
> * Type [1]zoom.us into your browser's address bar.
> 
> 
> * At the login screen, click the Join button. (located on the black
>   coloured bar, third from the right)
> 
> 
> * At the Join Meeting screen, type in the meeting ID included in this
>   email
> 
> 
> * Finally, click Allow on the dialog box shown in your browser. If
>   you don't see a dialogue, click the Launch Meeting button.
> 
> 
> We will be there waiting and looking forward to seeing you.
> 
>   Cheers,
> 
>   Maureen
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://zoom.us/
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Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Rod Blitvich via WAMUG]

Thanks Daniel
Yep - I didn’t get an email from them either.
I guess we might have to look for a new ISP before September 2024
Cheers
Rod (atiinet.net.au )




Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
  rb...@iinet.net.au  



> On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to be honest I 
> hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email from iinet advising me 
> of the change. Possibly an email will come later on perhaps?)
> 
> Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode etc) have 
> decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s emails. (And new 
> customers signing up are not given an @ISP email address).
> 
> They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP) are 
> apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I can gather), 
> then after that if you then want to still keep using your @isp email address, 
> then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen any plans as yet, but a few 
> things I read said it could be “from $3.99 per email address per month). - 
> though doesn’t show what the quota would be. 
> Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the email 
> address.
> 
> The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the main iinet 
> home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all have a link to 
> information about it.
> https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
> 
> Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company), website's is 
> fairly sparse on information.
> 
> Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people. Who may 
> have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to keep it they 
> now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see a price decrease 
> for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email addresses. Hey, I could be 
> wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
> (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that I’ve been 
> with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s there).
> 
> I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp address, so 
> definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
> Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a “free” email address 
> like @iCloud.com, @gmail.com etc- then you can change ISPs without having to 
> tell everyone your email address has changed.
> (As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at some of the “email 
> only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan is $60 a year per 
> mailbox)
> 
> Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens with it.
> 
> Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have seen or been 
> aware of this. :)
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
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> 
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Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Robin Belford via WAMUG]

   Every one is probably getting these today

   [1]https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company

   [2]https://help.iinet.net.au/domain-name-registry-transfer

   On 1 Aug 2023, at 10:39 pm, Stephen Chape via WAMUG
wrote:

 Thank you Daniel.
 My daughter is with Westnet, so I will chat to her about this.
 On 1 Aug 2023, at 8:40 pm, Pete Smith via WAMUG
  wrote:
   G’day Daniel.
   I saw on Internode’s site today that they have not been hosting new
   email addresses since 20 June or thereabouts but I didn’t see
 anything
   about current ones. Mind you, I wasn’t looking because I was trying
 to
   access my webmail because Mail was stuffing me around yet again.
   Interestingly, I couldn’t access that at the time as well.
   I might ring them tomorrow to check if my problems are in anyway
   concerned with their new system, although my mail works fine from
   the
   iPhone.
   I’m off hunting now.
   Regards,
   Pete Smith
   On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:
   Hi All
   An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to be
   honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email from
   iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come later
   on
   perhaps?)
   Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode
 etc)
   have decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s
 emails.
   (And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email address).
   They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP)
   are
   apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I
   can
   gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using your
 @isp
   email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen any
   plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from $3.99
 per
   email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the quota
   would
   be.
   Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the
 email
   address.
   The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the main
   iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all
   have
 a
   link to information about it.
   https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
   Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company),
   website's
   is fairly sparse on information.
   Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people.
   Who
   may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to
 keep
   it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see
   a
   price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email
   addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
   (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that
   I’ve
   been with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s there).
   I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp address,
   so
   definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
   Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a “free”
   email
   address like @iCloud.com, @gmail.com etc- then you can change ISPs
   without having to tell everyone your email address has changed.
   (As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at some of
 the
   “email only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan is
   $60
 a
   year per mailbox)
   Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens with it.
   Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have seen
   or
   been aware of this. :)
   Kind regards
   Daniel
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   MacWizardry
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Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Thank you Daniel.

   My daughter is with Westnet, so I will chat to her about this.

   On 1 Aug 2023, at 8:40 pm, Pete Smith via WAMUG
wrote:

 G’day Daniel.
 I saw on Internode’s site today that they have not been hosting new
 email addresses since 20 June or thereabouts but I didn’t see
   anything
 about current ones. Mind you, I wasn’t looking because I was trying
   to
 access my webmail because Mail was stuffing me around yet again.
 Interestingly, I couldn’t access that at the time as well.
 I might ring them tomorrow to check if my problems are in anyway
 concerned with their new system, although my mail works fine from the
 iPhone.
 I’m off hunting now.
 Regards,
 Pete Smith
 On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
  wrote:
 Hi All
 An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to be
 honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email from
 iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come later on
 perhaps?)
 Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode
   etc)
 have decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s
   emails.
 (And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email address).
 They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP) are
 apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I can
 gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using your
   @isp
 email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen any
 plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from $3.99
   per
 email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the quota would
 be.
 Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the
   email
 address.
 The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the main
 iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all have
   a
 link to information about it.
 https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
 Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company), website's
 is fairly sparse on information.
 Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people. Who
 may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to
   keep
 it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see a
 price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email
 addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
 (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that I’ve
 been with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s there).
 I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp address, so
 definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
 Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a “free” email
 address like @iCloud.com, @gmail.com etc- then you can change ISPs
 without having to tell everyone your email address has changed.
 (As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at some of
   the
 “email only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan is $60
   a
 year per mailbox)
 Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens with it.
 Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have seen or
 been aware of this. :)
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
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Re: [WAMUG] Iinet/Westnet/TPG/internode etc stopping email address hosting

[Pete Smith via WAMUG]

   G’day Daniel.

   I saw on Internode’s site today that they have not been hosting new
   email addresses since 20 June or thereabouts but I didn’t see anything
   about current ones. Mind you, I wasn’t looking because I was trying to
   access my webmail because Mail was stuffing me around yet again.
   Interestingly, I couldn’t access that at the time as well.

   I might ring them tomorrow to check if my problems are in anyway
   concerned with their new system, although my mail works fine from the
   iPhone.

   I’m off hunting now.
   Regards,
   Pete Smith

   On 1 Aug 2023, at 6:36 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi All
   An interesting piece of info was brought to my attention, and to be
   honest I hadn’t seen it previously. - (definitely not an email from
   iinet advising me of the change. Possibly an email will come later on
   perhaps?)
   Apparently iinet/TPG and all it’s subsidiaries (Westnet, Internode etc)
   have decided they are no longer going to host their customer’s emails.
   (And new customers signing up are not given an @ISP email address).
   They are moving it over to another business where they (the ISP) are
   apparently paying for it for a year (up to Sept 2024 from what I can
   gather), then after that if you then want to still keep using your @isp
   email address, then you will have to pay for it. I haven’t seen any
   plans as yet, but a few things I read said it could be “from $3.99 per
   email address per month). - though doesn’t show what the quota would
   be.
   Some other people had said to budget about $60 a year to keep the email
   address.
   The “notice” is on all the ISP websites, so for example on the main
   iinet home page (and same for Westnet, TPG, Internode etc), all have a
   link to information about it.
   https://help.iinet.net.au/iinet-email-messaging-company
   Even the “new” company taking over (The Messaging Company), website's
   is fairly sparse on information.
   Definitely going to be a bit of wake up call for a lot of people. Who
   may have an @isp address for 20+ years, then find if they want to keep
   it they now have to pay. And I’m sure the internet plans won’t see a
   price decrease for the money saved on not supplying/hosting email
   addresses. Hey, I could be wrong,…but, well….time will tell.
   (I have an @iinet address that I’ve had for about 22+ years that I’ve
   been with them - not that I use it very much….but it’s there).
   I know I have quite a lot of clients that use their @isp address, so
   definitely going to be a change for a lot of people.
   Another good reason to have a domain name I guess, or a “free” email
   address like @iCloud.com, @gmail.com etc- then you can change ISPs
   without having to tell everyone your email address has changed.
   (As an aside, the price is about “normal” - as I looked at some of the
   “email only” hosting plans I have for clients and a 10GB plan is $60 a
   year per mailbox)
   Definitely will be something to watch and see what happens with it.
   Thought I’d post to the list as possibly others may not have seen or
   been aware of this. :)
   Kind regards
   Daniel
   ---
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   MacWizardry
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   e : 
   w : 
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   MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any
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Re: [WAMUG] WAMUG General Meeting

[Rosemary Spark via WAMUG]

   Hi

   says host has another meeting in progress.

   Cheers

   Rosemary Spark

   On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 at 20:44, Maureen Smith via WAMUG
   <[1]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:

Hello fellow WAMUGgers
They say ‘Better Late Than Never” though who ‘they’ has never
 been
explained.  This is a late reminder of our upcoming General
 Meeting
this Tuesday 1st August.
MEETING TOPICS
1 Start with a Q & A session. Share your questions, and we will
 see if
we can assist you
2 Columbusing with Messages. If you have never heard of the term
‘Columbusing,’ it is the art of discovering something that is not
 new.
3 A reflection on updating to a new iPhone.
MEETING AND LOGIN DETAILS
Date: 1st August 2023
Time: 07:30 PM (Usually lasts an hour)
Zoom Meeting Link:   [1][2]https://bit.ly/3OAB7ul
Meeting ID:  868 4972 6478
Passcode:  924634
If you have problems with the link or prefer to go 'Old School,'
 follow
these instructions.
  * Type [2][3]zoom.us into your browser's address bar.
  * At the login screen, click the Join button. (located on the
 black
coloured bar, third from the right)
  * At the Join Meeting screen, type in the meeting ID included
 in this
email
  * Finally, click Allow on the dialog box shown in your browser.
 If
you don't see a dialogue, click the Launch Meeting button.
  We will be there waiting and looking forward to seeing you.
Cheers,
Maureen
 References
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Re: [WAMUG] FTTP and ISPs…not Apple

[Neil Houghton via WAMUG]

Hi Stephen,

As an ABB shareholder, I would encourage everyone to change to ABB  ;o)

Though, I have to admit, I am still loyal to Internode - I switched to them 
from Telstra when we moved from dial-up to ADSL and have always found their 
customer support to be very good (even since the iiNet/TPG buyouts).

I too have frequently had service problems with Telstra in the past - both 
technical on the old dial-up and, more recently, with double billing of 
auto-recharge on pre-paid mobile plans - however, I have found their online 
chat service to have improved a lot (this was for the double billing issues).

One bonus I have had from Telstra: when I switched to internode, I continued to 
pay Telstra around $25 pa to keep my bigpond email address (like Daniel this 
wasn't my main email but I didn't want to lose it) so I was very surprised, 
back in 2015, when Telstra told me they were retiring Bigpond but they would 
continue to provide my Bigpond email FREE OR CHARGE!   -   a year or so later 
it was migrated to Telstra meil and, to date, it still all works - even though 
it is around 8 years since I paid for the email service!

Disclaimer - I am also a Telstra shareholder!!

Cheers


Neil

-Original Message-
From: WAMUG  on behalf of Stephen Chape via 
WAMUG 
Reply-To: WAMUG 
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2023 at 09:50
To: WAMUG 
Cc: Stephen Chape 
Subject: Re: [WAMUG] FTTP and ISPs…not Apple

   Hi Rosemary.

   I have had ongoing issues with Telstra for the past 4 months.

   Promise to fix issues but then fail to do so over and over again.

   I am now on the verge of going to Aussie Broadband.

   They get amazing reviews from customers.

   One review site recently ranked them number 1 in Australia.

   And 2 of my friends are with them and reckon they are the best.

   Their price for my plan is the same as Telstra, so no cost advantage
   there.

   But if I also take both our mobiles to them as well, that is way better
   priced.

   Anyway just thought I would give some more feedback 

   On 12 Jul 2023, at 7:06 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi Rosemary
   Without know exact details, but if it’s similar to mine situation
   (which it sounds like it), technically neither side are actually
   “telling lies”.
   When NBNCo have been going through certain areas and doing the FTTP
   upgrades, they only have “some” ISP’s that seem to have early access to
   this “faster NBN”. Whereas iinet/Westnet dont seem to be one of the
   ISP’s with access to these upgrades. So when they look it up, in the
   iinet/Westnet/TPG system, your area probably isn’t available to go
   faster on their network.
   And NBNCo who do say the upgrade is available, in the “small print” -
   it’s only with some ISPs.
   This is the same sort of thing I’ve found. Because I’m signed up to
   NBNCo newsletter and info for my area, I got an email from saying
   “faster internet is available” But iinet tell me,..no I can’t get
   faster internet. So they’re both actually correct. As far as iinet are
   concerned for their “access”,..they can’t offer anything faster. But if
   I go with a different ISP,…then I can actually get faster.
   I just found the email from them,..which says,..
   "Hi Daniel,
   As you have registered for updates, we’d like to let you know that your
   location may be able to upgrade to nbn® Fibre to the Premises (FTTP) if
   you order an nbn powered plan based on nbnHome Fast or higher◊."
   Then a button I click that says “Check out the list of participating
   providers” - which loads this page
   https://www.nbnco.com.au/residential/upgrades/more-fibre/find-a-partici
   pating-provider
   And Westnet and iinet (for whatever reason) aren’t listed as a
   participating provider.
   For the time being I’ve stuck with iinet and use their NBN100 plan,….as
   I’ve always felt a bit loyal to them to stay.
   But with some of the newer ISP’s nothing offering better plans (and
   sometimes better pricing), I’ve been weighing it up to change as well.
   I was looking at the Aussie Broadband plans, as they tend to get good
   reviews and always seem to be ranked quite high for reliability, cost,
   service etc.
   (I wouldn’t touch dodo with a barge pole for another example,…lol. Had
   some many customers been with them that had issues and left).
   The one downside to moving obviously is losing your email address. But
   I believe iinet and Westnet still offer an “email only” service. (I
   know they previously had this service,..so I assume they still do.
   Haven’t checked for a while). You used to be able to pay $25 a year to
   keep your email address. So you then don’t have to go round and tell
   everyone your n

Re: [WAMUG] FTTP and ISPs…not Apple

[Stephen Chape via WAMUG]

   Hi Rosemary.

   I have had ongoing issues with Telstra for the past 4 months.

   Promise to fix issues but then fail to do so over and over again.

   I am now on the verge of going to Aussie Broadband.

   They get amazing reviews from customers.

   One review site recently ranked them number 1 in Australia.

   And 2 of my friends are with them and reckon they are the best.

   Their price for my plan is the same as Telstra, so no cost advantage
   there.

   But if I also take both our mobiles to them as well, that is way better
   priced.

   Anyway just thought I would give some more feedback 

   On 12 Jul 2023, at 7:06 pm, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
wrote:

   Hi Rosemary
   Without know exact details, but if it’s similar to mine situation
   (which it sounds like it), technically neither side are actually
   “telling lies”.
   When NBNCo have been going through certain areas and doing the FTTP
   upgrades, they only have “some” ISP’s that seem to have early access to
   this “faster NBN”. Whereas iinet/Westnet dont seem to be one of the
   ISP’s with access to these upgrades. So when they look it up, in the
   iinet/Westnet/TPG system, your area probably isn’t available to go
   faster on their network.
   And NBNCo who do say the upgrade is available, in the “small print” -
   it’s only with some ISPs.
   This is the same sort of thing I’ve found. Because I’m signed up to
   NBNCo newsletter and info for my area, I got an email from saying
   “faster internet is available” But iinet tell me,..no I can’t get
   faster internet. So they’re both actually correct. As far as iinet are
   concerned for their “access”,..they can’t offer anything faster. But if
   I go with a different ISP,…then I can actually get faster.
   I just found the email from them,..which says,..
   "Hi Daniel,
   As you have registered for updates, we’d like to let you know that your
   location may be able to upgrade to nbn® Fibre to the Premises (FTTP) if
   you order an nbn powered plan based on nbnHome Fast or higher◊."
   Then a button I click that says “Check out the list of participating
   providers” - which loads this page
   https://www.nbnco.com.au/residential/upgrades/more-fibre/find-a-partici
   pating-provider
   And Westnet and iinet (for whatever reason) aren’t listed as a
   participating provider.
   For the time being I’ve stuck with iinet and use their NBN100 plan,….as
   I’ve always felt a bit loyal to them to stay.
   But with some of the newer ISP’s nothing offering better plans (and
   sometimes better pricing), I’ve been weighing it up to change as well.
   I was looking at the Aussie Broadband plans, as they tend to get good
   reviews and always seem to be ranked quite high for reliability, cost,
   service etc.
   (I wouldn’t touch dodo with a barge pole for another example,…lol. Had
   some many customers been with them that had issues and left).
   The one downside to moving obviously is losing your email address. But
   I believe iinet and Westnet still offer an “email only” service. (I
   know they previously had this service,..so I assume they still do.
   Haven’t checked for a while). You used to be able to pay $25 a year to
   keep your email address. So you then don’t have to go round and tell
   everyone your new address and lose access to your email address.
   (I don’t actually really use my @iinet address a lot, but I’d still
   like to keep it if I did change.
   I had considered going to the Aussie Broadband NBN1000 plan,. But it’s
   another $50 a month. So I didn’t really go much further then look and
   dream. lol.
   So as mentioned without knowing “exact” details, that would be my take
   on it anyway.
   The best place I find to see what you’re able to get is the actual
   NBNCo website. As they’re the ones who do or change the infrastructure.
   So normally their information is most up to date.
   If you go to https://www.nbnco.com.au - then put in your address to
   check. It will advise you what you can get on your premises.
   I also think some of the companies are wearing the cost of the “$0
   upgrade cost to upgrade to fibre” - in the hope of perhaps getting new
   customers and building their customer base. And perhaps iinet/Westnet
   didn’t want to wear the extra cost of it. But I’m only guessing there -
   I could be completely wrong.
   Hope something there helps.
   Kind regards
   Daneil
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 On 12 Jul 2023, at 6:33 pm, 

Re: [WAMUG] FTTP and ISPs…not Apple

[Rosemary Spark via WAMUG]

   Hi Daniel,

   Thanks for jour very full answer.

   Cheers

   Rosemary Spark

   On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 at 19:06, Daniel Kerr via WAMUG
   <[1]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:

 Hi Rosemary
 Without know exact details, but if it’s similar to mine situation
 (which it sounds like it), technically neither side are actually
 “telling lies”.
 When NBNCo have been going through certain areas and doing the FTTP
 upgrades, they only have “some” ISP’s that seem to have early access
 to this “faster NBN”. Whereas iinet/Westnet dont seem to be one of
 the ISP’s with access to these upgrades. So when they look it up, in
 the iinet/Westnet/TPG system, your area probably isn’t available to
 go faster on their network.
 And NBNCo who do say the upgrade is available, in the “small print”
 - it’s only with some ISPs.
 This is the same sort of thing I’ve found. Because I’m signed up to
 NBNCo newsletter and info for my area, I got an email from saying
 “faster internet is available” But iinet tell me,..no I can’t get
 faster internet. So they’re both actually correct. As far as iinet
 are concerned for their “access”,..they can’t offer anything faster.
 But if I go with a different ISP,…then I can actually get faster.
 I just found the email from them,..which says,..
 "Hi Daniel,
 As you have registered for updates, we’d like to let you know that
 your location may be able to upgrade to nbn® Fibre to the Premises
 (FTTP) if you order an nbn powered plan based on nbnHome Fast or
 higher◊."
 Then a button I click that says “Check out the list of participating
 providers” - which loads this page
 [2]https://www.nbnco.com.au/residential/upgrades/more-fibre/find-a-p
 articipating-provider
 And Westnet and iinet (for whatever reason) aren’t listed as a
 participating provider.
 For the time being I’ve stuck with iinet and use their NBN100
 plan,….as I’ve always felt a bit loyal to them to stay.
 But with some of the newer ISP’s nothing offering better plans (and
 sometimes better pricing), I’ve been weighing it up to change as
 well.
 I was looking at the Aussie Broadband plans, as they tend to get
 good reviews and always seem to be ranked quite high for
 reliability, cost, service etc.
 (I wouldn’t touch dodo with a barge pole for another example,…lol.
 Had some many customers been with them that had issues and left).
 The one downside to moving obviously is losing your email address.
 But I believe iinet and Westnet still offer an “email only” service.
 (I know they previously had this service,..so I assume they still
 do. Haven’t checked for a while). You used to be able to pay $25 a
 year to keep your email address. So you then don’t have to go round
 and tell everyone your new address and lose access to your email
 address.
 (I don’t actually really use my @iinet address a lot, but I’d still
 like to keep it if I did change.
 I had considered going to the Aussie Broadband NBN1000 plan,. But
 it’s another $50 a month. So I didn’t really go much further then
 look and dream. lol.
 So as mentioned without knowing “exact” details, that would be my
 take on it anyway.
 The best place I find to see what you’re able to get is the actual
 NBNCo website. As they’re the ones who do or change the
 infrastructure. So normally their information is most up to date.
 If you go to [3]https://www.nbnco.com.au - then put in your address
 to check. It will advise you what you can get on your premises.
 I also think some of the companies are wearing the cost of the “$0
 upgrade cost to upgrade to fibre” - in the hope of perhaps getting
 new customers and building their customer base. And perhaps
 iinet/Westnet didn’t want to wear the extra cost of it. But I’m only
 guessing there - I could be completely wrong.
 Hope something there helps.
 Kind regards
 Daneil
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 p : 0414 795 960
 e : 
 w : <[5]http://www.macwizardry.com.au>
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 NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal
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 warrant any form of warranty or accept liability. It would be
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 > On 12 Jul 2023, at 6:33 pm, Rosemary Spark via WAMUG
 <[6]wa...@lists.wamug.org.au> wrote:
 >
 >   Hi there,
 >
 >   I received a glossy flyer in the mail saying that FTTP fibre to
 >   premises is available in my area, listing various isp to contact
 about
 >   the upgrade. I checked on the nbnco website and 

Re: [WAMUG] FTTP and ISPs…not Apple

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Rosemary

Without know exact details, but if it’s similar to mine situation (which it 
sounds like it), technically neither side are actually “telling lies”.
When NBNCo have been going through certain areas and doing the FTTP upgrades, 
they only have “some” ISP’s that seem to have early access to this “faster 
NBN”. Whereas iinet/Westnet dont seem to be one of the ISP’s with access to 
these upgrades. So when they look it up, in the iinet/Westnet/TPG system, your 
area probably isn’t available to go faster on their network.
And NBNCo who do say the upgrade is available, in the “small print” - it’s only 
with some ISPs.

This is the same sort of thing I’ve found. Because I’m signed up to NBNCo 
newsletter and info for my area, I got an email from saying “faster internet is 
available” But iinet tell me,..no I can’t get faster internet. So they’re both 
actually correct. As far as iinet are concerned for their “access”,..they can’t 
offer anything faster. But if I go with a different ISP,…then I can actually 
get faster.

I just found the email from them,..which says,..
"Hi Daniel, 
As you have registered for updates, we’d like to let you know that your 
location may be able to upgrade to nbn® Fibre to the Premises (FTTP) if you 
order an nbn powered plan based on nbnHome Fast or higher◊."

Then a button I click that says “Check out the list of participating providers” 
- which loads this page
https://www.nbnco.com.au/residential/upgrades/more-fibre/find-a-participating-provider

And Westnet and iinet (for whatever reason) aren’t listed as a participating 
provider.

For the time being I’ve stuck with iinet and use their NBN100 plan,….as I’ve 
always felt a bit loyal to them to stay.
But with some of the newer ISP’s nothing offering better plans (and sometimes 
better pricing), I’ve been weighing it up to change as well.

I was looking at the Aussie Broadband plans, as they tend to get good reviews 
and always seem to be ranked quite high for reliability, cost, service etc.
(I wouldn’t touch dodo with a barge pole for another example,…lol. Had some 
many customers been with them that had issues and left).

The one downside to moving obviously is losing your email address. But I 
believe iinet and Westnet still offer an “email only” service. (I know they 
previously had this service,..so I assume they still do. Haven’t checked for a 
while). You used to be able to pay $25 a year to keep your email address. So 
you then don’t have to go round and tell everyone your new address and lose 
access to your email address.
(I don’t actually really use my @iinet address a lot, but I’d still like to 
keep it if I did change.

I had considered going to the Aussie Broadband NBN1000 plan,. But it’s another 
$50 a month. So I didn’t really go much further then look and dream. lol. 

So as mentioned without knowing “exact” details, that would be my take on it 
anyway.
The best place I find to see what you’re able to get is the actual NBNCo 
website. As they’re the ones who do or change the infrastructure. So normally 
their information is most up to date.
If you go to https://www.nbnco.com.au - then put in your address to check. It 
will advise you what you can get on your premises.

I also think some of the companies are wearing the cost of the “$0 upgrade cost 
to upgrade to fibre” - in the hope of perhaps getting new customers and 
building their customer base. And perhaps iinet/Westnet didn’t want to wear the 
extra cost of it. But I’m only guessing there - I could be completely wrong.

Hope something there helps. 

Kind regards
Daneil

---
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MacWizardry

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w : 


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> On 12 Jul 2023, at 6:33 pm, Rosemary Spark via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Hi there,
> 
>  I received a glossy flyer in the mail saying that FTTP fibre to
>  premises is available in my area, listing various isp to contact about
>  the upgrade. I checked on the nbnco website and it indicated my address
>  was able to be upgraded.
> 
>  We’re with Westnet (taken over by iiNet, taken over by TPG) and have
>  been for many (20) years. Home page for accounts and email is still
>  Westnet. Anyway no indication that TPG was included in the upgrade.
> 
>  I rang Westnet ( got a woman obviously based somewhere else) saying
>  FTTP was not available at my address, after keeping me on hold for
>  several minutes. I checked the only upgrade available on the website is
>  for 5G…not the best fit.
> 
>  So who is telling lies?  Do I go with another ISP?
> 
>  What is other people’s 

Re: [WAMUG] Fttp and isps …not an Apple question

[Pete Smith via WAMUG]

   Hi Rosemary.

   I got a similar flyer a while ago too. I’m with Internode - who got
   taken over by iiNet and then TPG too; although they are still
   maintaining a separate existence. Anyway, when I rang them all excited,
   they said they were not yet able to provide it at my address but hoped
   they would in the future. Apparently, whilst NBN can provide the
   infrastructure, it is the service provider who actually ‘provides’ the
   service.

   My understanding is that when Internode, and presumably Westnet, get
   around to providing the service, NBN will lay the fibre to the house
   part and then Internode will provide all the rest.

   That’s my take on it. I am very well satisfied with Internode so I’m
   just waiting for them to do their bit. Presumably, it must some
   infrastructure thing at their exchanges or somewhere.

   Now that I’ve written this, I’m going online to see if they have
   changed anything.
   Regards,
   Pete Smith

   On 12 Jul 2023, at 4:08 pm, Rosemary Spark via WAMUG
wrote:

 Hi there,
 I received a glossy flyer in the mail saying that FTTP fibre to
 premises is available in my area, listing various isp to contact
   about
 the upgrade. I checked on the nbnco website and it indicated my
   address
 was able to be upgraded.
 We’re with Westnet (taken over by iiNet, taken over by TPG) and have
 been for many (20) years. Home page for accounts and email is still
 Westnet. Anyway no indication that TPG was included in the upgrade.
 I rang Westnet ( got a woman obviously based somewhere else) saying
 FTTP was not available at my address, after keeping me on hold for
 several minutes. I checked the only upgrade available on the website
   is
 for 5G…not the best fit.
 So who is telling lies?  Do I go with another ISP?
 What is other people’s experience?
 Cheers
 Rosemary Spark
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Re: [WAMUG] FTTP and ISPs…not Apple

[Daniel Kerr via WAMUG]

Hi Rosemary

Without know exact details, but if it’s similar to mine situation (which it 
sounds like it), technically neither side are actually “telling lies”.
When NBNCo have been going through certain areas and doing the FTTP upgrades, 
they only have “some” ISP’s that seem to have early access to this “faster 
NBN”. Whereas iinet/Westnet dont seem to be one of the ISP’s with access to 
these upgrades. So when they look it up, in the iinet/Westnet/TPG system, your 
area probably isn’t available to go faster on their network.
And NBNCo who do say the upgrade is available, in the “small print” - it’s only 
with some ISPs.

This is the same sort of thing I’ve found. Because I’m signed up to NBNCo 
newsletter and info for my area, I got an email from saying “faster internet is 
available” But iinet tell me,..no I can’t get faster internet. So they’re both 
actually correct. As far as iinet are concerned for their “access”,..they can’t 
offer anything faster. But if I go with a different ISP,…then I can actually 
get faster.

I just found the email from them,..which says,..
"Hi Daniel, 
As you have registered for updates, we’d like to let you know that your 
location may be able to upgrade to nbn® Fibre to the Premises (FTTP) if you 
order an nbn powered plan based on nbnHome Fast or higher◊."

Then a button I click that says “Check out the list of participating providers” 
- which loads this page
https://www.nbnco.com.au/residential/upgrades/more-fibre/find-a-participating-provider

And Westnet and iinet (for whatever reason) aren’t listed as a participating 
provider.

For the time being I’ve stuck with iinet and use their NBN100 plan,….as I’ve 
always felt a bit loyal to them to stay.
But with some of the newer ISP’s nothing offering better plans (and sometimes 
better pricing), I’ve been weighing it up to change as well.

I was looking at the Aussie Broadband plans, as they tend to get good reviews 
and always seem to be ranked quite high for reliability, cost, service etc.
(I wouldn’t touch dodo with a barge pole for another example,…lol. Had some 
many customers been with them that had issues and left).

The one downside to moving obviously is losing your email address. But I 
believe iinet and Westnet still offer an “email only” service. (I know they 
previously had this service,..so I assume they still do. Haven’t checked for a 
while). You used to be able to pay $25 a year to keep your email address. So 
you then don’t have to go round and tell everyone your new address and lose 
access to your email address.
(I don’t actually really use my @iinet address a lot, but I’d still like to 
keep it if I did change.

I had considered going to the Aussie Broadband NBN1000 plan,. But it’s another 
$50 a month. So I didn’t really go much further then look and dream. lol. 

So as mentioned without knowing “exact” details, that would be my take on it 
anyway.
The best place I find to see what you’re able to get is the actual NBNCo 
website. As they’re the ones who do or change the infrastructure. So normally 
their information is most up to date.
If you go to https://www.nbnco.com.au - then put in your address to check. It 
will advise you what you can get on your premises.

I also think some of the companies are wearing the cost of the “$0 upgrade cost 
to upgrade to fibre” - in the hope of perhaps getting new customers and 
building their customer base. And perhaps iinet/Westnet didn’t want to wear the 
extra cost of it. But I’m only guessing there - I could be completely wrong.

Hope something there helps. 

Kind regards
Daneil

---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

p : 0414 795 960
e : 
w : 


**For everything Apple**

NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as 
such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any 
information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept 
liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to 
be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested. 

> On 12 Jul 2023, at 6:33 pm, Rosemary Spark via WAMUG 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Hi there,
> 
>   I received a glossy flyer in the mail saying that FTTP fibre to
>   premises is available in my area, listing various isp to contact about
>   the upgrade. I checked on the nbnco website and it indicated my address
>   was able to be upgraded.
> 
>   We’re with Westnet (taken over by iiNet, taken over by TPG) and have
>   been for many (20) years. Home page for accounts and email is still
>   Westnet. Anyway no indication that TPG was included in the upgrade.
> 
>   I rang Westnet ( got a woman obviously based somewhere else) saying
>   FTTP was not available at my address, after keeping me on hold for
>   several minutes. I checked the only upgrade available on the website is
>   for 5G…not the best fit.
> 
>   So who is telling lies?  Do I go with another ISP?
> 
>   What is other