Re: Keyboard

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Michael,

Does it happen in TextEdit as well or only in the Pages application?

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 11 Jan 2018, at 8:11 am, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> Hello Michael 
> 
> I don’t know how the keys come off the laptop keypads, but I suspect that 
> something in the switching behind the keys has gone awry. Whether the cats 
> biscuits have worked their way there, or a hair for example is triggering a 
> false signal, is unknown until it’s pulled apart. 
> 
> I understand keys are aligned in groups, so edc and ik, are together. If they 
> play up too then you have real keyboard problem
> 
> That is of course that you still have the correct keyboard selected in 
> preferences and there is no fleshware issue related to phat fingers or the 
> shakes from no coffee. 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tim
> 
> Sent from Tim's iPhone
> 
>> On 11 Jan 2018, at 5:36 am, Michael Hawkins 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a MacBook Pro (17-inch, Late 2011) running High Sierra version 
>> 10.13.2.
>> 
>> From time to time this morning the letter e appears on the screen instead of 
>> the letter i, when typing in Pages.
>> 
>> Could this indicate a need to clean the keys?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Michael.
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 7:07 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am very tempted to try this.  I spilt a cup of tea on my keyboard, after 
>>> it dried out, it does still function, but not so promptly sometimes.
>>> I have a back up keyboard, so it wouldn’t be a great loss if it did go 
>>> caput. Just checking that you were serious in giving these instructions 
>>> robin.
>>> It would be just plain water then?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> jewels
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 5:27 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
 
 Great stuff but not for my iMac Wireless keyboard!
 Severin
 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 16:54, Robin Belford  wrote:
> 
> Back in the day it wasn’t uncommon to put them in the dishwasher. The 
> “Day” was when the keyboard was the Apple Extended Keyboard II (ADB).
> SO, if you’re game here are some basic instructions.
> 
> Make sure you've got a spare keyboard. You must wait at least a week (7 
> days) before the keyboard can be used again after it's been washed, 
> therefore unless you do not plan on using your computer for a week you'll 
> need a spare.
> Do not use any dish soap.
> If your dishwasher has multiple settings, make sure it's a rinse only. Do 
> not use a heavy wash, pots, and pan setting, or any heated drying 
> settings. Any extensive heat will destroy the keyboard.
> Wash the keyboard on the top rack only.
> Do not put anything else in the dishwasher except the keyboard.
> Only try this if your computer keyboard is plastic.
> If you want a more extensive clean under the keys remove each of the keys 
> and wash just the keyboard.
> After the keyboard has been washed, shake it to allow excessive water to 
> drain out. Then tip the keyboard upside down so it is laying on the keys, 
> and let the keyboard dry for seven days.
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 2:12 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim... disconnect the keyboard from the iMac first ;-)
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 12:54 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve just gone through this interesting exercise with a wired Apple 
>>> keyboard
>>> 
>>> First, take a picture of the keyboard so you can refer to it when 
>>> you’re replacing the keys. And also so you can proudly reflect on your 
>>> cleaning prowess. 
>>> 
>>> The safest thing is to not wipe the keys just yet, simply flick them 
>>> out one by one. Once the first comes out you’ll figure out the right 
>>> force and angle, but a small finger placed under the edge of an exposed 
>>> key and flicked up to release the clip is the best action I can 
>>> describe. You may need a spodger to get the first one, a plastic stick. 
>>> 
>>> Once all the keys are off, they can be washed in a bowl of cleaning 
>>> liquid and water, rinsed and dried
>>> 
>>> The exposed base can be wiped clean and the various biscuits you’ll 
>>> deny ever eating, must have been the cat, can be cleaned up. 
>>> 
>>> Then it’s a matter of clicking the clean dry keys back in place, using 
>>> the photo as a guide. 
>>> 
>>> I used an overly damp wipe to start with and found excess liquid has 
>>> seeped into the electronic components so the keyboard failed. 
>>> 
>>> This led me to dismantling it entirely and drying the three layers of 
>>> printed circuit that perform the switching function of the keyboard. 
>>> There are little soft plastic cones that give the soft touch we 

Re: Keyboard

[Tim Law]

Hello Michael 

I don’t know how the keys come off the laptop keypads, but I suspect that 
something in the switching behind the keys has gone awry. Whether the cats 
biscuits have worked their way there, or a hair for example is triggering a 
false signal, is unknown until it’s pulled apart. 

I understand keys are aligned in groups, so edc and ik, are together. If they 
play up too then you have real keyboard problem

That is of course that you still have the correct keyboard selected in 
preferences and there is no fleshware issue related to phat fingers or the 
shakes from no coffee. 

Regards

Tim

Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 11 Jan 2018, at 5:36 am, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a MacBook Pro (17-inch, Late 2011) running High Sierra version 10.13.2.
> 
> From time to time this morning the letter e appears on the screen instead of 
> the letter i, when typing in Pages.
> 
> Could this indicate a need to clean the keys?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael.
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 7:07 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
>> 
>> I am very tempted to try this.  I spilt a cup of tea on my keyboard, after 
>> it dried out, it does still function, but not so promptly sometimes.
>> I have a back up keyboard, so it wouldn’t be a great loss if it did go 
>> caput. Just checking that you were serious in giving these instructions 
>> robin.
>> It would be just plain water then?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> jewels
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 5:27 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Great stuff but not for my iMac Wireless keyboard!
>>> Severin
>>> 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 16:54, Robin Belford  wrote:
 
 Back in the day it wasn’t uncommon to put them in the dishwasher. The 
 “Day” was when the keyboard was the Apple Extended Keyboard II (ADB).
 SO, if you’re game here are some basic instructions.
 
 Make sure you've got a spare keyboard. You must wait at least a week (7 
 days) before the keyboard can be used again after it's been washed, 
 therefore unless you do not plan on using your computer for a week you'll 
 need a spare.
 Do not use any dish soap.
 If your dishwasher has multiple settings, make sure it's a rinse only. Do 
 not use a heavy wash, pots, and pan setting, or any heated drying 
 settings. Any extensive heat will destroy the keyboard.
 Wash the keyboard on the top rack only.
 Do not put anything else in the dishwasher except the keyboard.
 Only try this if your computer keyboard is plastic.
 If you want a more extensive clean under the keys remove each of the keys 
 and wash just the keyboard.
 After the keyboard has been washed, shake it to allow excessive water to 
 drain out. Then tip the keyboard upside down so it is laying on the keys, 
 and let the keyboard dry for seven days.
 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 2:12 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim... disconnect the keyboard from the iMac first ;-)
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 12:54 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve just gone through this interesting exercise with a wired Apple 
>> keyboard
>> 
>> First, take a picture of the keyboard so you can refer to it when you’re 
>> replacing the keys. And also so you can proudly reflect on your cleaning 
>> prowess. 
>> 
>> The safest thing is to not wipe the keys just yet, simply flick them out 
>> one by one. Once the first comes out you’ll figure out the right force 
>> and angle, but a small finger placed under the edge of an exposed key 
>> and flicked up to release the clip is the best action I can describe. 
>> You may need a spodger to get the first one, a plastic stick. 
>> 
>> Once all the keys are off, they can be washed in a bowl of cleaning 
>> liquid and water, rinsed and dried
>> 
>> The exposed base can be wiped clean and the various biscuits you’ll deny 
>> ever eating, must have been the cat, can be cleaned up. 
>> 
>> Then it’s a matter of clicking the clean dry keys back in place, using 
>> the photo as a guide. 
>> 
>> I used an overly damp wipe to start with and found excess liquid has 
>> seeped into the electronic components so the keyboard failed. 
>> 
>> This led me to dismantling it entirely and drying the three layers of 
>> printed circuit that perform the switching function of the keyboard. 
>> There are little soft plastic cones that give the soft touch we enjoy. 
>> They fall onto the floor and hide behind chair legs, so some agility may 
>> be required to rescue them. Rest assured They don’t fall out unless you 
>> dismantle the electronics. Once resembled twice, I first put the cones 
>> in the wrong way, my keyboard is clean and functional and has passed the 
>> 

Re: Keyboard

[Michael Hawkins]

I have a MacBook Pro (17-inch, Late 2011) running High Sierra version 10.13.2.

From time to time this morning the letter e appears on the screen instead of 
the letter i, when typing in Pages.

Could this indicate a need to clean the keys?

Cheers,

Michael.

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 7:07 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
> 
> I am very tempted to try this.  I spilt a cup of tea on my keyboard, after it 
> dried out, it does still function, but not so promptly sometimes.
> I have a back up keyboard, so it wouldn’t be a great loss if it did go caput. 
> Just checking that you were serious in giving these instructions robin.
> It would be just plain water then?
> 
> Thanks
> jewels
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 5:27 PM, Severin Crisp > > wrote:
>> 
>> Great stuff but not for my iMac Wireless keyboard!
>> Severin
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 16:54, Robin Belford >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Back in the day it wasn’t uncommon to put them in the dishwasher. The “Day” 
>>> was when the keyboard was the Apple Extended Keyboard II (ADB).
>>> SO, if you’re game here are some basic instructions.
>>> 
>>> Make sure you've got a spare keyboard. You must wait at least a week (7 
>>> days) before the keyboard can be used again after it's been washed, 
>>> therefore unless you do not plan on using your computer for a week you'll 
>>> need a spare.
>>> Do not use any dish soap.
>>> If your dishwasher has multiple settings, make sure it's a rinse only. Do 
>>> not use a heavy wash, pots, and pan setting, or any heated drying settings. 
>>> Any extensive heat will destroy the keyboard.
>>> Wash the keyboard on the top rack only.
>>> Do not put anything else in the dishwasher except the keyboard.
>>> Only try this if your computer keyboard is plastic.
>>> If you want a more extensive clean under the keys remove each of the keys 
>>> and wash just the keyboard.
>>> After the keyboard has been washed, shake it to allow excessive water to 
>>> drain out. Then tip the keyboard upside down so it is laying on the keys, 
>>> and let the keyboard dry for seven days.
>>> 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 2:12 pm, Ronda Brown > wrote:
 
 Hi Tim... disconnect the keyboard from the iMac first ;-)
 
  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
 
 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 12:54 pm, Tim Law > wrote:
 
> I’ve just gone through this interesting exercise with a wired Apple 
> keyboard
> 
> First, take a picture of the keyboard so you can refer to it when you’re 
> replacing the keys. And also so you can proudly reflect on your cleaning 
> prowess. 
> 
> The safest thing is to not wipe the keys just yet, simply flick them out 
> one by one. Once the first comes out you’ll figure out the right force 
> and angle, but a small finger placed under the edge of an exposed key and 
> flicked up to release the clip is the best action I can describe. You may 
> need a spodger to get the first one, a plastic stick. 
> 
> Once all the keys are off, they can be washed in a bowl of cleaning 
> liquid and water, rinsed and dried
> 
> The exposed base can be wiped clean and the various biscuits you’ll deny 
> ever eating, must have been the cat, can be cleaned up. 
> 
> Then it’s a matter of clicking the clean dry keys back in place, using 
> the photo as a guide. 
> 
> I used an overly damp wipe to start with and found excess liquid has 
> seeped into the electronic components so the keyboard failed. 
> 
> This led me to dismantling it entirely and drying the three layers of 
> printed circuit that perform the switching function of the keyboard. 
> There are little soft plastic cones that give the soft touch we enjoy. 
> They fall onto the floor and hide behind chair legs, so some agility may 
> be required to rescue them. Rest assured They don’t fall out unless you 
> dismantle the electronics. Once resembled twice, I first put the cones in 
> the wrong way, my keyboard is clean and functional and has passed the 
> most stringent assessment of my wife. 
> 
> I hope this helps
> 
> Tim
> 
> Sent from Tim's iPhone
> 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 11:46 am, Severin Crisp  > wrote:
> 
>> My iMac keyboard is disgracefully dirty and I find it very difficult to 
>> keep it clean.  I am meticulous about no cups of coffee or the like 
>> within range.  
>> Advice appreciated on  1) getting it respectable again   and 2) keeping 
>> it that way
>> Many thanks
>> Severin Crisp
>> 
>> 
>>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, 

Re: Keyboard

[Julie Bedford]

I am very tempted to try this.  I spilt a cup of tea on my keyboard, after it 
dried out, it does still function, but not so promptly sometimes.
I have a back up keyboard, so it wouldn’t be a great loss if it did go caput. 
Just checking that you were serious in giving these instructions robin.
It would be just plain water then?

Thanks
jewels
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 5:27 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Great stuff but not for my iMac Wireless keyboard!
> Severin
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 16:54, Robin Belford > > wrote:
>> 
>> Back in the day it wasn’t uncommon to put them in the dishwasher. The “Day” 
>> was when the keyboard was the Apple Extended Keyboard II (ADB).
>> SO, if you’re game here are some basic instructions.
>> 
>> Make sure you've got a spare keyboard. You must wait at least a week (7 
>> days) before the keyboard can be used again after it's been washed, 
>> therefore unless you do not plan on using your computer for a week you'll 
>> need a spare.
>> Do not use any dish soap.
>> If your dishwasher has multiple settings, make sure it's a rinse only. Do 
>> not use a heavy wash, pots, and pan setting, or any heated drying settings. 
>> Any extensive heat will destroy the keyboard.
>> Wash the keyboard on the top rack only.
>> Do not put anything else in the dishwasher except the keyboard.
>> Only try this if your computer keyboard is plastic.
>> If you want a more extensive clean under the keys remove each of the keys 
>> and wash just the keyboard.
>> After the keyboard has been washed, shake it to allow excessive water to 
>> drain out. Then tip the keyboard upside down so it is laying on the keys, 
>> and let the keyboard dry for seven days.
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 2:12 pm, Ronda Brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim... disconnect the keyboard from the iMac first ;-)
>>> 
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 12:54 pm, Tim Law >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I’ve just gone through this interesting exercise with a wired Apple 
 keyboard
 
 First, take a picture of the keyboard so you can refer to it when you’re 
 replacing the keys. And also so you can proudly reflect on your cleaning 
 prowess. 
 
 The safest thing is to not wipe the keys just yet, simply flick them out 
 one by one. Once the first comes out you’ll figure out the right force and 
 angle, but a small finger placed under the edge of an exposed key and 
 flicked up to release the clip is the best action I can describe. You may 
 need a spodger to get the first one, a plastic stick. 
 
 Once all the keys are off, they can be washed in a bowl of cleaning liquid 
 and water, rinsed and dried
 
 The exposed base can be wiped clean and the various biscuits you’ll deny 
 ever eating, must have been the cat, can be cleaned up. 
 
 Then it’s a matter of clicking the clean dry keys back in place, using the 
 photo as a guide. 
 
 I used an overly damp wipe to start with and found excess liquid has 
 seeped into the electronic components so the keyboard failed. 
 
 This led me to dismantling it entirely and drying the three layers of 
 printed circuit that perform the switching function of the keyboard. There 
 are little soft plastic cones that give the soft touch we enjoy. They fall 
 onto the floor and hide behind chair legs, so some agility may be required 
 to rescue them. Rest assured They don’t fall out unless you dismantle the 
 electronics. Once resembled twice, I first put the cones in the wrong way, 
 my keyboard is clean and functional and has passed the most stringent 
 assessment of my wife. 
 
 I hope this helps
 
 Tim
 
 Sent from Tim's iPhone
 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 11:46 am, Severin Crisp > wrote:
 
> My iMac keyboard is disgracefully dirty and I find it very difficult to 
> keep it clean.  I am meticulous about no cups of coffee or the like 
> within range.  
> Advice appreciated on  1) getting it respectable again   and 2) keeping 
> it that way
> Many thanks
> Severin Crisp
> 
> 
>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
> Mob  0484 624 741mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au 
> 
>   _
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Keyboard

[Severin Crisp]

Great stuff but not for my iMac Wireless keyboard!
Severin

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 16:54, Robin Belford  wrote:
> 
> Back in the day it wasn’t uncommon to put them in the dishwasher. The “Day” 
> was when the keyboard was the Apple Extended Keyboard II (ADB).
> SO, if you’re game here are some basic instructions.
> 
> Make sure you've got a spare keyboard. You must wait at least a week (7 days) 
> before the keyboard can be used again after it's been washed, therefore 
> unless you do not plan on using your computer for a week you'll need a spare.
> Do not use any dish soap.
> If your dishwasher has multiple settings, make sure it's a rinse only. Do not 
> use a heavy wash, pots, and pan setting, or any heated drying settings. Any 
> extensive heat will destroy the keyboard.
> Wash the keyboard on the top rack only.
> Do not put anything else in the dishwasher except the keyboard.
> Only try this if your computer keyboard is plastic.
> If you want a more extensive clean under the keys remove each of the keys and 
> wash just the keyboard.
> After the keyboard has been washed, shake it to allow excessive water to 
> drain out. Then tip the keyboard upside down so it is laying on the keys, and 
> let the keyboard dry for seven days.
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 2:12 pm, Ronda Brown > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim... disconnect the keyboard from the iMac first ;-)
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 12:54 pm, Tim Law > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I’ve just gone through this interesting exercise with a wired Apple keyboard
>>> 
>>> First, take a picture of the keyboard so you can refer to it when you’re 
>>> replacing the keys. And also so you can proudly reflect on your cleaning 
>>> prowess. 
>>> 
>>> The safest thing is to not wipe the keys just yet, simply flick them out 
>>> one by one. Once the first comes out you’ll figure out the right force and 
>>> angle, but a small finger placed under the edge of an exposed key and 
>>> flicked up to release the clip is the best action I can describe. You may 
>>> need a spodger to get the first one, a plastic stick. 
>>> 
>>> Once all the keys are off, they can be washed in a bowl of cleaning liquid 
>>> and water, rinsed and dried
>>> 
>>> The exposed base can be wiped clean and the various biscuits you’ll deny 
>>> ever eating, must have been the cat, can be cleaned up. 
>>> 
>>> Then it’s a matter of clicking the clean dry keys back in place, using the 
>>> photo as a guide. 
>>> 
>>> I used an overly damp wipe to start with and found excess liquid has seeped 
>>> into the electronic components so the keyboard failed. 
>>> 
>>> This led me to dismantling it entirely and drying the three layers of 
>>> printed circuit that perform the switching function of the keyboard. There 
>>> are little soft plastic cones that give the soft touch we enjoy. They fall 
>>> onto the floor and hide behind chair legs, so some agility may be required 
>>> to rescue them. Rest assured They don’t fall out unless you dismantle the 
>>> electronics. Once resembled twice, I first put the cones in the wrong way, 
>>> my keyboard is clean and functional and has passed the most stringent 
>>> assessment of my wife. 
>>> 
>>> I hope this helps
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> Sent from Tim's iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 11:46 am, Severin Crisp >> > wrote:
>>> 
 My iMac keyboard is disgracefully dirty and I find it very difficult to 
 keep it clean.  I am meticulous about no cups of coffee or the like within 
 range.  
 Advice appreciated on  1) getting it respectable again   and 2) keeping it 
 that way
 Many thanks
 Severin Crisp
 
 
  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
 Mob  0484 624 741mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au 
 
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Re: Keyboard

[Robin Belford]

Back in the day it wasn’t uncommon to put them in the dishwasher. The “Day” was 
when the keyboard was the Apple Extended Keyboard II (ADB).
SO, if you’re game here are some basic instructions.

Make sure you've got a spare keyboard. You must wait at least a week (7 days) 
before the keyboard can be used again after it's been washed, therefore unless 
you do not plan on using your computer for a week you'll need a spare.
Do not use any dish soap.
If your dishwasher has multiple settings, make sure it's a rinse only. Do not 
use a heavy wash, pots, and pan setting, or any heated drying settings. Any 
extensive heat will destroy the keyboard.
Wash the keyboard on the top rack only.
Do not put anything else in the dishwasher except the keyboard.
Only try this if your computer keyboard is plastic.
If you want a more extensive clean under the keys remove each of the keys and 
wash just the keyboard.
After the keyboard has been washed, shake it to allow excessive water to drain 
out. Then tip the keyboard upside down so it is laying on the keys, and let the 
keyboard dry for seven days.

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 2:12 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim... disconnect the keyboard from the iMac first ;-)
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 12:54 pm, Tim Law  > wrote:
> 
>> I’ve just gone through this interesting exercise with a wired Apple keyboard
>> 
>> First, take a picture of the keyboard so you can refer to it when you’re 
>> replacing the keys. And also so you can proudly reflect on your cleaning 
>> prowess. 
>> 
>> The safest thing is to not wipe the keys just yet, simply flick them out one 
>> by one. Once the first comes out you’ll figure out the right force and 
>> angle, but a small finger placed under the edge of an exposed key and 
>> flicked up to release the clip is the best action I can describe. You may 
>> need a spodger to get the first one, a plastic stick. 
>> 
>> Once all the keys are off, they can be washed in a bowl of cleaning liquid 
>> and water, rinsed and dried
>> 
>> The exposed base can be wiped clean and the various biscuits you’ll deny 
>> ever eating, must have been the cat, can be cleaned up. 
>> 
>> Then it’s a matter of clicking the clean dry keys back in place, using the 
>> photo as a guide. 
>> 
>> I used an overly damp wipe to start with and found excess liquid has seeped 
>> into the electronic components so the keyboard failed. 
>> 
>> This led me to dismantling it entirely and drying the three layers of 
>> printed circuit that perform the switching function of the keyboard. There 
>> are little soft plastic cones that give the soft touch we enjoy. They fall 
>> onto the floor and hide behind chair legs, so some agility may be required 
>> to rescue them. Rest assured They don’t fall out unless you dismantle the 
>> electronics. Once resembled twice, I first put the cones in the wrong way, 
>> my keyboard is clean and functional and has passed the most stringent 
>> assessment of my wife. 
>> 
>> I hope this helps
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> Sent from Tim's iPhone
>> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 11:46 am, Severin Crisp > > wrote:
>> 
>>> My iMac keyboard is disgracefully dirty and I find it very difficult to 
>>> keep it clean.  I am meticulous about no cups of coffee or the like within 
>>> range.  
>>> Advice appreciated on  1) getting it respectable again   and 2) keeping it 
>>> that way
>>> Many thanks
>>> Severin Crisp
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
>>> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>>>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>>> Mob  0484 624 741mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au 
>>> 
>>>   _
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Keyboard

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Tim... disconnect the keyboard from the iMac first ;-)

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 10 Jan 2018, at 12:54 pm, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> I’ve just gone through this interesting exercise with a wired Apple keyboard
> 
> First, take a picture of the keyboard so you can refer to it when you’re 
> replacing the keys. And also so you can proudly reflect on your cleaning 
> prowess. 
> 
> The safest thing is to not wipe the keys just yet, simply flick them out one 
> by one. Once the first comes out you’ll figure out the right force and angle, 
> but a small finger placed under the edge of an exposed key and flicked up to 
> release the clip is the best action I can describe. You may need a spodger to 
> get the first one, a plastic stick. 
> 
> Once all the keys are off, they can be washed in a bowl of cleaning liquid 
> and water, rinsed and dried
> 
> The exposed base can be wiped clean and the various biscuits you’ll deny ever 
> eating, must have been the cat, can be cleaned up. 
> 
> Then it’s a matter of clicking the clean dry keys back in place, using the 
> photo as a guide. 
> 
> I used an overly damp wipe to start with and found excess liquid has seeped 
> into the electronic components so the keyboard failed. 
> 
> This led me to dismantling it entirely and drying the three layers of printed 
> circuit that perform the switching function of the keyboard. There are little 
> soft plastic cones that give the soft touch we enjoy. They fall onto the 
> floor and hide behind chair legs, so some agility may be required to rescue 
> them. Rest assured They don’t fall out unless you dismantle the electronics. 
> Once resembled twice, I first put the cones in the wrong way, my keyboard is 
> clean and functional and has passed the most stringent assessment of my wife. 
> 
> I hope this helps
> 
> Tim
> 
> Sent from Tim's iPhone
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 11:46 am, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> My iMac keyboard is disgracefully dirty and I find it very difficult to keep 
>> it clean.  I am meticulous about no cups of coffee or the like within range. 
>>  
>> Advice appreciated on  1) getting it respectable again   and 2) keeping it 
>> that way
>> Many thanks
>> Severin Crisp
>> 
>> 
>>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
>> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>> Mob  0484 624 741mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au
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Re: Keyboard

[Barry Sexstone]

and don’t let the cat eat biscuits on it.

Barry

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 1:33 pm, Neil Houghton  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sev,
> 
> 
>   and to keep it pristine – maybe a surgical mask and gloves? ;o)
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> Neil
> -- 
> Neil R. Houghton
> Albany, Western Australia
> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
> Email: n...@possumology.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> on 10/1/18 13:14, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
> 
>> Congratulations Tim 
>> Wife’s commendations would be great but bringing it up to my standards will 
>> be more than adequate 
>> Severin 
>> 
>> Sent from Sev's iPhone
>> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 12:54, Tim Law  wrote:
>> 
>>> I’ve just gone through this interesting exercise with a wired Apple keyboard
>>> 
>>> First, take a picture of the keyboard so you can refer to it when you’re 
>>> replacing the keys. And also so you can proudly reflect on your cleaning 
>>> prowess. 
>>> 
>>> The safest thing is to not wipe the keys just yet, simply flick them out 
>>> one by one. Once the first comes out you’ll figure out the right force and 
>>> angle, but a small finger placed under the edge of an exposed key and 
>>> flicked up to release the clip is the best action I can describe. You may 
>>> need a spodger to get the first one, a plastic stick. 
>>> 
>>> Once all the keys are off, they can be washed in a bowl of cleaning liquid 
>>> and water, rinsed and dried
>>> 
>>> The exposed base can be wiped clean and the various biscuits you’ll deny 
>>> ever eating, must have been the cat, can be cleaned up. 
>>> 
>>> Then it’s a matter of clicking the clean dry keys back in place, using the 
>>> photo as a guide. 
>>> 
>>> I used an overly damp wipe to start with and found excess liquid has seeped 
>>> into the electronic components so the keyboard failed. 
>>> 
>>> This led me to dismantling it entirely and drying the three layers of 
>>> printed circuit that perform the switching function of the keyboard. There 
>>> are little soft plastic cones that give the soft touch we enjoy. They fall 
>>> onto the floor and hide behind chair legs, so some agility may be required 
>>> to rescue them. Rest assured They don’t fall out unless you dismantle the 
>>> electronics. Once resembled twice, I first put the cones in the wrong way, 
>>> my keyboard is clean and functional and has passed the most stringent 
>>> assessment of my wife. 
>>> 
>>> I hope this helps
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> Sent from Tim's iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 11:46 am, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
 My iMac keyboard is disgracefully dirty and I find it very difficult to 
 keep it clean.  I am meticulous about no cups of coffee or the like within 
 range.  
 Advice appreciated on  1) getting it respectable again   and 2) keeping it 
 that way
 Many thanks
 Severin Crisp
 
 
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Re: Keyboard

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Sev,


  and to keep it pristine ­ maybe a surgical mask and gloves? ;o)


Cheers



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on 10/1/18 13:14, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

> Congratulations Tim
> Wife¹s commendations would be great but bringing it up to my standards will be
> more than adequate
> Severin 
> 
> Sent from Sev's iPhone
> 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 12:54, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
>> I¹ve just gone through this interesting exercise with a wired Apple keyboard
>> 
>> First, take a picture of the keyboard so you can refer to it when you¹re
>> replacing the keys. And also so you can proudly reflect on your cleaning
>> prowess. 
>> 
>> The safest thing is to not wipe the keys just yet, simply flick them out one
>> by one. Once the first comes out you¹ll figure out the right force and angle,
>> but a small finger placed under the edge of an exposed key and flicked up to
>> release the clip is the best action I can describe. You may need a spodger to
>> get the first one, a plastic stick.
>> 
>> Once all the keys are off, they can be washed in a bowl of cleaning liquid
>> and water, rinsed and dried
>> 
>> The exposed base can be wiped clean and the various biscuits you¹ll deny ever
>> eating, must have been the cat, can be cleaned up.
>> 
>> Then it¹s a matter of clicking the clean dry keys back in place, using the
>> photo as a guide.
>> 
>> I used an overly damp wipe to start with and found excess liquid has seeped
>> into the electronic components so the keyboard failed.
>> 
>> This led me to dismantling it entirely and drying the three layers of printed
>> circuit that perform the switching function of the keyboard. There are little
>> soft plastic cones that give the soft touch we enjoy. They fall onto the
>> floor and hide behind chair legs, so some agility may be required to rescue
>> them. Rest assured They don¹t fall out unless you dismantle the electronics.
>> Once resembled twice, I first put the cones in the wrong way, my keyboard is
>> clean and functional and has passed the most stringent assessment of my wife.
>> 
>> I hope this helps
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> Sent from Tim's iPhone
>> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 11:46 am, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> My iMac keyboard is disgracefully dirty and I find it very difficult to keep
>>> it clean.  I am meticulous about no cups of coffee or the like within range.
>>> Advice appreciated on  1) getting it respectable again   and 2) keeping it
>>> that way
>>> Many thanks
>>> Severin Crisp
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
>>> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>>>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>>> Mob  0484 624 741mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au
>>>   _
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Re: Keyboard

[Severin Crisp]

Congratulations Tim 
Wife’s commendations would be great but bringing it up to my standards will be 
more than adequate 
Severin 

Sent from Sev's iPhone

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 12:54, Tim Law  wrote:
> 
> I’ve just gone through this interesting exercise with a wired Apple keyboard
> 
> First, take a picture of the keyboard so you can refer to it when you’re 
> replacing the keys. And also so you can proudly reflect on your cleaning 
> prowess. 
> 
> The safest thing is to not wipe the keys just yet, simply flick them out one 
> by one. Once the first comes out you’ll figure out the right force and angle, 
> but a small finger placed under the edge of an exposed key and flicked up to 
> release the clip is the best action I can describe. You may need a spodger to 
> get the first one, a plastic stick. 
> 
> Once all the keys are off, they can be washed in a bowl of cleaning liquid 
> and water, rinsed and dried
> 
> The exposed base can be wiped clean and the various biscuits you’ll deny ever 
> eating, must have been the cat, can be cleaned up. 
> 
> Then it’s a matter of clicking the clean dry keys back in place, using the 
> photo as a guide. 
> 
> I used an overly damp wipe to start with and found excess liquid has seeped 
> into the electronic components so the keyboard failed. 
> 
> This led me to dismantling it entirely and drying the three layers of printed 
> circuit that perform the switching function of the keyboard. There are little 
> soft plastic cones that give the soft touch we enjoy. They fall onto the 
> floor and hide behind chair legs, so some agility may be required to rescue 
> them. Rest assured They don’t fall out unless you dismantle the electronics. 
> Once resembled twice, I first put the cones in the wrong way, my keyboard is 
> clean and functional and has passed the most stringent assessment of my wife. 
> 
> I hope this helps
> 
> Tim
> 
> Sent from Tim's iPhone
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 11:46 am, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> My iMac keyboard is disgracefully dirty and I find it very difficult to keep 
>> it clean.  I am meticulous about no cups of coffee or the like within range. 
>>  
>> Advice appreciated on  1) getting it respectable again   and 2) keeping it 
>> that way
>> Many thanks
>> Severin Crisp
>> 
>> 
>>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
>> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>> Mob  0484 624 741mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au
>>   _
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Keyboard

[Tim Law]

I’ve just gone through this interesting exercise with a wired Apple keyboard

First, take a picture of the keyboard so you can refer to it when you’re 
replacing the keys. And also so you can proudly reflect on your cleaning 
prowess. 

The safest thing is to not wipe the keys just yet, simply flick them out one by 
one. Once the first comes out you’ll figure out the right force and angle, but 
a small finger placed under the edge of an exposed key and flicked up to 
release the clip is the best action I can describe. You may need a spodger to 
get the first one, a plastic stick. 

Once all the keys are off, they can be washed in a bowl of cleaning liquid and 
water, rinsed and dried

The exposed base can be wiped clean and the various biscuits you’ll deny ever 
eating, must have been the cat, can be cleaned up. 

Then it’s a matter of clicking the clean dry keys back in place, using the 
photo as a guide. 

I used an overly damp wipe to start with and found excess liquid has seeped 
into the electronic components so the keyboard failed. 

This led me to dismantling it entirely and drying the three layers of printed 
circuit that perform the switching function of the keyboard. There are little 
soft plastic cones that give the soft touch we enjoy. They fall onto the floor 
and hide behind chair legs, so some agility may be required to rescue them. 
Rest assured They don’t fall out unless you dismantle the electronics. Once 
resembled twice, I first put the cones in the wrong way, my keyboard is clean 
and functional and has passed the most stringent assessment of my wife. 

I hope this helps

Tim

Sent from Tim's iPhone

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 11:46 am, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> My iMac keyboard is disgracefully dirty and I find it very difficult to keep 
> it clean.  I am meticulous about no cups of coffee or the like within range.  
> Advice appreciated on  1) getting it respectable again   and 2) keeping it 
> that way
> Many thanks
> Severin Crisp
> 
> 
>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
> Mob  0484 624 741mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au
>   _
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: keyboard

[tom samson]

Thank you for all the help. I took the iMac into Xite Logic and the USB -part 
of the Mother board was the problem. Too costly to fix. So I will have to wait 
until I can afford a new iMac.
Well done for the support

tom samson
On 10/06/2012, at 9:42 AM, tom samson wrote:

 yes. maybe it time to find a tech to fix it . but first i ma looking for a 
 file i can trash that may be corrupted. or go to terminal [a first]. any 
 ideas [sorry cannot get question mark.
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Re: keyboard

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Tom,

Is this the same iMac you have been having problems with no USB Ports working, 
as in WAMUG Subject Big Problems with iMac?
 
The keyboard won't be recognised if the USB ports are not working.

Cheers,
Ronni
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Re: keyboard

[tom samson]

yes. maybe it time to find a tech to fix it . but first i ma looking for a file 
i can trash that may be corrupted. or go to terminal [a first]. any ideas 
[sorry cannot get question mark.
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Re: Keyboard cleaning

[Pete Smith]

G'day Severin.

Just to add my two cents worth. A couple of years ago; before I became a 
convert; I was trying to find out how to remove the keys from my keyboard 
attached to my old PC. I was surprised how many people on the net had actually 
put their keyboards in the dishwasher. It was pretty much agreed that because 
they were basically solid state with no wires it was safe as long as they 
were dried properly. Most people, like Peter left their keyboards for about 
three days to really dry.

From memory, the other point was not to use hot water.

I'm my own dishwasher so I didn't try it. Also didn't want to be without a 
keyboard for 3 days so just removed each key and cleaned everything bit by bit 
with rubbing alcohol - it was all plastic.

My only problem with the Apple keyboard (perhaps Peter or someone else can 
comment on this) is that it has the usb cable permanently attached and I don't 
know how that would go in a dishwasher. I would imagine the wireless ones would 
be fine.

The other thing about this post is that now I have taken a closer look at my 
own keyboard - it's starting to look a little grubby. Rats! Better turn the 
lighting down a notch!!

Regards,

Pete Smith






On 08/04/2010, at 13:18 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:

 
 That is really interesting, Peter.  How did you pluck up courage to try it 
 the first time?!!!
 Severin
 
 On 08/04/2010, at 8:42 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:
 
 
 
 On 07/04/2010, at 11:57 AM, Severin Crisp wrote:
 
 
 Can anyone recommend a method/product for cleaning keyboards of that grime 
 that just accumulates on and down between the keys.  I realise that a 
 scrubbing brush and soapy water is not a viable way to go!
 Severin Crisp
 
 It sounds a bit drastic but one method that works very well (I've tried it 
 myself) is to put the keyboard in the dishwasher! You must avoid soap, and 
 preferably have nothing else in the dishwasher at the time. You must also 
 ensure that the keyboard is completely dry before using it (I hung mine on 
 the clothesline for three days). As with all things, proceed at your own 
 risk.
 
 I find that with the new aluminium keyboards a simply wipe down with a damp 
 cloth is all it takes.
 
 
 
 Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
 FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
 Perth, Western Australia
 Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948
 
 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
 
 
 
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Re: Keyboard cleaning

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi all

I always like this Keyboard cleaning thread when it comes up.
As an other option (once the keyboard is clean,...) look at getting
something like the iSkin range of Keyboard covers.

I use them on all the keyboards I have here (and laptops too). Although they
take a little to get used to them, I love them now. They are a sort of
plastic/rubber cover that goes over the keyboard. It protects it from dirt
and dust (and even the odd water spill), and the new ones have a microban
feature. And they are washable.
So it means once it's on the keyboard, you never have to worry about the
Keyboard ever again! (And I've got some keyboards going on 5+ years old that
look as new as they day they came out of the packet (well pretty close to
it)). When the cover gets dirty, you just take it off, wash it and then put
it back on again.

(They also do covers for iPhones and iPods as well as laptops, and including
the Apple Wireless Keyboard).

You can see the whole range here:-
http://www.tryandbyte.com.au/cgi-bin/page.pl?page=432title=iSkin

For the Aluminium Wireless keyboard:-
http://tinyurl.com/ygj3yxf

Apple Aluminium Keyboard:-
http://tinyurl.com/yjedw8x

Previous white Apple Keyboard (And wireless keyboard)
http://tinyurl.com/yhr4woe

For MacBook, MacBookPro and MacBook Air
http://tinyurl.com/y8a45wr

Generally retail for about $45-$55, so not overly cheap, but if you
consider you can wash them and replacement cost of a keyboard, they work out
quite a good cost. (Plus factor in time taken to have to clean the
keyboard!!)

If anyone is interested, or wants more info, feel free to contact me off
list. If enough people want them, I can see if I can get a bulk discount
for a WAMUG purchase.

Just something else to consider as well.

Kind Regards
Daniel


On 8/4/10 3:08 PM, Pete Smith smudd...@internode.on.net wrote:

 
 G'day Severin.
 
 Just to add my two cents worth. A couple of years ago; before I became a
 convert; I was trying to find out how to remove the keys from my keyboard
 attached to my old PC. I was surprised how many people on the net had actually
 put their keyboards in the dishwasher. It was pretty much agreed that because
 they were basically solid state with no wires it was safe as long as they
 were dried properly. Most people, like Peter left their keyboards for about
 three days to really dry.
 
 From memory, the other point was not to use hot water.
 
 I'm my own dishwasher so I didn't try it. Also didn't want to be without a
 keyboard for 3 days so just removed each key and cleaned everything bit by bit
 with rubbing alcohol - it was all plastic.
 
 My only problem with the Apple keyboard (perhaps Peter or someone else can
 comment on this) is that it has the usb cable permanently attached and I don't
 know how that would go in a dishwasher. I would imagine the wireless ones
 would be fine.
 
 The other thing about this post is that now I have taken a closer look at my
 own keyboard - it's starting to look a little grubby. Rats! Better turn the
 lighting down a notch!!
 
 Regards,
 
 Pete Smith
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 08/04/2010, at 13:18 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:
 
 
 That is really interesting, Peter.  How did you pluck up courage to try it
 the first time?!!!
 Severin
 
 On 08/04/2010, at 8:42 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:
 
 
 
 On 07/04/2010, at 11:57 AM, Severin Crisp wrote:
 
 
 Can anyone recommend a method/product for cleaning keyboards of that grime
 that just accumulates on and down between the keys.  I realise that a
 scrubbing brush and soapy water is not a viable way to go!
 Severin Crisp
 
 It sounds a bit drastic but one method that works very well (I've tried it
 myself) is to put the keyboard in the dishwasher! You must avoid soap, and
 preferably have nothing else in the dishwasher at the time. You must also
 ensure that the keyboard is completely dry before using it (I hung mine on
 the clothesline for three days). As with all things, proceed at your own
 risk.
 
 I find that with the new aluminium keyboards a simply wipe down with a damp
 cloth is all it takes.
 
 
 
 Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
 FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
 Perth, Western Australia
 Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948
 
 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
 
 
 
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email  mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Keyboard cleaning

[Reg Whitely]

Haha

OT perhaps but putting your keyboard into the dishwasher sounds Ok,  
considering my German email friend's Mum who did the washing in her  
front loader, only to find she'd also pre-rinsed, reverse-cycle  
washed, rinsed, low and high speed spun, the favourite family cat.


Lucky it wasn't one of those washer-dryer models. She could have had  
baked dinner. Lazarus did not rise.


Reg

On 08/04/2010, at 5:50 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:



Hi all

I always like this Keyboard cleaning thread when it comes up.
As an other option (once the keyboard is clean,...) look at getting
something like the iSkin range of Keyboard covers.

I use them on all the keyboards I have here (and laptops too).  
Although they

take a little to get used to them, I love them now. They are a sort of
plastic/rubber cover that goes over the keyboard. It protects it  
from dirt
and dust (and even the odd water spill), and the new ones have a  
microban

feature. And they are washable.
So it means once it's on the keyboard, you never have to worry about  
the
Keyboard ever again! (And I've got some keyboards going on 5+ years  
old that
look as new as they day they came out of the packet (well pretty  
close to
it)). When the cover gets dirty, you just take it off, wash it and  
then put

it back on again.

(They also do covers for iPhones and iPods as well as laptops, and  
including

the Apple Wireless Keyboard).

You can see the whole range here:-
http://www.tryandbyte.com.au/cgi-bin/page.pl?page=432title=iSkin

For the Aluminium Wireless keyboard:-
http://tinyurl.com/ygj3yxf

Apple Aluminium Keyboard:-
http://tinyurl.com/yjedw8x

Previous white Apple Keyboard (And wireless keyboard)
http://tinyurl.com/yhr4woe

For MacBook, MacBookPro and MacBook Air
http://tinyurl.com/y8a45wr

Generally retail for about $45-$55, so not overly cheap, but if you
consider you can wash them and replacement cost of a keyboard, they  
work out

quite a good cost. (Plus factor in time taken to have to clean the
keyboard!!)

If anyone is interested, or wants more info, feel free to contact me  
off
list. If enough people want them, I can see if I can get a bulk  
discount

for a WAMUG purchase.

Just something else to consider as well.

Kind Regards
Daniel


On 8/4/10 3:08 PM, Pete Smith smudd...@internode.on.net wrote:



G'day Severin.

Just to add my two cents worth. A couple of years ago; before I  
became a
convert; I was trying to find out how to remove the keys from my  
keyboard
attached to my old PC. I was surprised how many people on the net  
had actually
put their keyboards in the dishwasher. It was pretty much agreed  
that because
they were basically solid state with no wires it was safe as long  
as they
were dried properly. Most people, like Peter left their keyboards  
for about

three days to really dry.

From memory, the other point was not to use hot water.

I'm my own dishwasher so I didn't try it. Also didn't want to be  
without a
keyboard for 3 days so just removed each key and cleaned everything  
bit by bit

with rubbing alcohol - it was all plastic.

My only problem with the Apple keyboard (perhaps Peter or someone  
else can
comment on this) is that it has the usb cable permanently attached  
and I don't
know how that would go in a dishwasher. I would imagine the  
wireless ones

would be fine.

The other thing about this post is that now I have taken a closer  
look at my
own keyboard - it's starting to look a little grubby. Rats! Better  
turn the

lighting down a notch!!

Regards,

Pete Smith






On 08/04/2010, at 13:18 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:



That is really interesting, Peter.  How did you pluck up courage  
to try it

the first time?!!!
Severin

On 08/04/2010, at 8:42 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:




On 07/04/2010, at 11:57 AM, Severin Crisp wrote:



Can anyone recommend a method/product for cleaning keyboards of  
that grime
that just accumulates on and down between the keys.  I realise  
that a

scrubbing brush and soapy water is not a viable way to go!
Severin Crisp


It sounds a bit drastic but one method that works very well (I've  
tried it
myself) is to put the keyboard in the dishwasher! You must avoid  
soap, and
preferably have nothing else in the dishwasher at the time. You  
must also
ensure that the keyboard is completely dry before using it (I  
hung mine on
the clothesline for three days). As with all things, proceed at  
your own

risk.

I find that with the new aluminium keyboards a simply wipe down  
with a damp

cloth is all it takes.



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FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948

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Re: Keyboard cleaning

[Barb Zahari]

That's awful!!

BarbZ


On 8 Apr 2010, at 7:46 PM, Reg Whitely wrote:

Haha

OT perhaps but putting your keyboard into the dishwasher sounds Ok,  
considering my German email friend's Mum who did the washing in her  
front loader, only to find she'd also pre-rinsed, reverse-cycle  
washed, rinsed, low and high speed spun, the favourite family cat.


Lucky it wasn't one of those washer-dryer models. She could have had  
baked dinner. Lazarus did not rise.


Reg

On 08/04/2010, at 5:50 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:



Hi all

I always like this Keyboard cleaning thread when it comes up.
As an other option (once the keyboard is clean,...) look at getting
something like the iSkin range of Keyboard covers.

I use them on all the keyboards I have here (and laptops too).  
Although they

take a little to get used to them, I love them now. They are a sort of
plastic/rubber cover that goes over the keyboard. It protects it from  
dirt
and dust (and even the odd water spill), and the new ones have a  
microban

feature. And they are washable.
So it means once it's on the keyboard, you never have to worry about  
the
Keyboard ever again! (And I've got some keyboards going on 5+ years  
old that
look as new as they day they came out of the packet (well pretty  
close to
it)). When the cover gets dirty, you just take it off, wash it and  
then put

it back on again.

(They also do covers for iPhones and iPods as well as laptops, and  
including

the Apple Wireless Keyboard).

You can see the whole range here:-
http://www.tryandbyte.com.au/cgi-bin/page.pl?page=432title=iSkin

For the Aluminium Wireless keyboard:-
http://tinyurl.com/ygj3yxf

Apple Aluminium Keyboard:-
http://tinyurl.com/yjedw8x

Previous white Apple Keyboard (And wireless keyboard)
http://tinyurl.com/yhr4woe

For MacBook, MacBookPro and MacBook Air
http://tinyurl.com/y8a45wr

Generally retail for about $45-$55, so not overly cheap, but if you
consider you can wash them and replacement cost of a keyboard, they  
work out

quite a good cost. (Plus factor in time taken to have to clean the
keyboard!!)

If anyone is interested, or wants more info, feel free to contact me  
off
list. If enough people want them, I can see if I can get a bulk  
discount

for a WAMUG purchase.

Just something else to consider as well.

Kind Regards
Daniel


On 8/4/10 3:08 PM, Pete Smith smudd...@internode.on.net wrote:



G'day Severin.

Just to add my two cents worth. A couple of years ago; before I  
became a
convert; I was trying to find out how to remove the keys from my  
keyboard
attached to my old PC. I was surprised how many people on the net  
had actually
put their keyboards in the dishwasher. It was pretty much agreed  
that because
they were basically solid state with no wires it was safe as long  
as they
were dried properly. Most people, like Peter left their keyboards  
for about

three days to really dry.

From memory, the other point was not to use hot water.

I'm my own dishwasher so I didn't try it. Also didn't want to be  
without a
keyboard for 3 days so just removed each key and cleaned everything  
bit by bit

with rubbing alcohol - it was all plastic.

My only problem with the Apple keyboard (perhaps Peter or someone  
else can
comment on this) is that it has the usb cable permanently attached  
and I don't
know how that would go in a dishwasher. I would imagine the wireless  
ones

would be fine.

The other thing about this post is that now I have taken a closer  
look at my
own keyboard - it's starting to look a little grubby. Rats! Better  
turn the

lighting down a notch!!

Regards,

Pete Smith






On 08/04/2010, at 13:18 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:



That is really interesting, Peter.  How did you pluck up courage to  
try it

the first time?!!!
Severin

On 08/04/2010, at 8:42 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:




On 07/04/2010, at 11:57 AM, Severin Crisp wrote:



Can anyone recommend a method/product for cleaning keyboards of  
that grime
that just accumulates on and down between the keys.  I realise  
that a

scrubbing brush and soapy water is not a viable way to go!
Severin Crisp


It sounds a bit drastic but one method that works very well (I've  
tried it
myself) is to put the keyboard in the dishwasher! You must avoid  
soap, and
preferably have nothing else in the dishwasher at the time. You  
must also
ensure that the keyboard is completely dry before using it (I hung  
mine on
the clothesline for three days). As with all things, proceed at  
your own

risk.

I find that with the new aluminium keyboards a simply wipe down  
with a damp

cloth is all it takes.



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FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948
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Re: Keyboard cleaning

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 08/04/2010, at 1:18 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:

 That is really interesting, Peter.  How did you pluck up courage to try it 
 the first time?!!!
 Severin
 


Sheer necessity at the time. The keyboard was losing functionality: coffee 
spills, inactive keys, an unsightly mess. It was a case of If this works, 
fine. We're up for a new keyboard anyway. 

It worked.


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Re: Keyboard cleaning

[Andrew]

I've use compressed air in a can before. Good for getting unsightly,  
stubborn food particles out. Much easier now with aluminium keyboard.

Andrew

On 07/04/2010, at 1:01 PM, Mark Secker m...@biz.uwa.edu.au wrote:



While there are probably chemical products to do this I generally  
just give
I a good shake and some taps while it's been held upside down then  
use a
microfiber cloth to remove grunge... Some times I'll slightly dampen  
the
cloth with water but wring it out until it stops  dripping water  
when you

squeeze it


On 7/04/10 11:57 AM, Severin Crisp sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote:



Can anyone recommend a method/product for cleaning keyboards of that
grime that just accumulates on and down between the keys.  I realise
that a scrubbing brush and soapy water is not a viable way to go!
Severin Crisp

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Re: Keyboard cleaning

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 07/04/2010, at 11:57 AM, Severin Crisp wrote:

 
 Can anyone recommend a method/product for cleaning keyboards of that grime 
 that just accumulates on and down between the keys.  I realise that a 
 scrubbing brush and soapy water is not a viable way to go!
 Severin Crisp

It sounds a bit drastic but one method that works very well (I've tried it 
myself) is to put the keyboard in the dishwasher! You must avoid soap, and 
preferably have nothing else in the dishwasher at the time. You must also 
ensure that the keyboard is completely dry before using it (I hung mine on the 
clothesline for three days). As with all things, proceed at your own risk.

I find that with the new aluminium keyboards a simply wipe down with a damp 
cloth is all it takes.



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Perth, Western Australia
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Re: Keyboard cleaning

[Severin Crisp]

That is really interesting, Peter.  How did you pluck up courage to  
try it the first time?!!!

Severin

On 08/04/2010, at 8:42 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:




On 07/04/2010, at 11:57 AM, Severin Crisp wrote:



Can anyone recommend a method/product for cleaning keyboards of  
that grime that just accumulates on and down between the keys.  I  
realise that a scrubbing brush and soapy water is not a viable way  
to go!

Severin Crisp


It sounds a bit drastic but one method that works very well (I've  
tried it myself) is to put the keyboard in the dishwasher! You must  
avoid soap, and preferably have nothing else in the dishwasher at  
the time. You must also ensure that the keyboard is completely dry  
before using it (I hung mine on the clothesline for three days). As  
with all things, proceed at your own risk.


I find that with the new aluminium keyboards a simply wipe down with  
a damp cloth is all it takes.




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Re: Keyboard cleaning

[KEVIN Lock]

Severin,

At last, something I can claim to be an expert in!Just yesterday 
I cleaned 5 eMac white keyboards.


I remove the keys and wash them all (except the ones with the metal 
bits) and brush the base with a stiff brush and use compressed air to 
get all the fur and biscuit out.


The earlier extended keyboards collect lots of junk in the clear 
base.  Lots of compressed air gets most of that out.


The latest iMac boards don't look like they easily come apart and I 
clean them with a soft cloth and Meths.  Works for me!


regards

Kevin






Can anyone recommend a method/product for cleaning keyboards of that 
grime that just accumulates on and down between the keys.  I realise 
that a scrubbing brush and soapy water is not a viable way to go!

Severin Crisp

   Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP
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Re: Keyboard cleaning

[Mark Secker]

While there are probably chemical products to do this I generally just give
I a good shake and some taps while it's been held upside down then use a
microfiber cloth to remove grunge... Some times I'll slightly dampen the
cloth with water but wring it out until it stops  dripping water when you
squeeze it 


On 7/04/10 11:57 AM, Severin Crisp sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 
 Can anyone recommend a method/product for cleaning keyboards of that
 grime that just accumulates on and down between the keys.  I realise
 that a scrubbing brush and soapy water is not a viable way to go!
 Severin Crisp
 
 Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP
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Re: keyboard

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Graeme,

On Apple Keyboards the NUM LOCK is click fn and F6 (num lock).

See if that gives you extended numeric pad function.


Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo
2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB
OS X 10.6.2 Snow Leopard
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)

On 30/12/2009, at 10:55 AM, Graeme Winters wrote:

 
 When I took delivery of my 27 IMAC in December  I asked for the Parallels 
 package to be installed as I had MYOB for Windows software and as Treasurer 
 for a small NFP organisation I wanted to continue providing this service
 
 Because MYOB involves a good deal of data entry I asked for the extended 
 keyboard and the supplier threw this in for me at no extra cost.
 
 MYOB works fine except that when I come to enter numbers using the extended 
 numeric pad this key pad does  not function. I find I must use the row of 
 numbers across the top of the keyboard
 
 The extended part of the keyboard operates fine at all other times.
 
 In windows you have NUM LOCK key but not in Apple
 
 This implies that the problem is one related to MYOB but not sure
 Can anyone guide me?
 
 Apart from that I have a wireless keyboard surplus to requirements. Can 
 anyone use this?
 
 Graeme





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Re: keyboard

[Rob Findlay]

The clear key generally does it.

On 30/12/2009, at 2:11 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 
 Hi Graeme,
 
 On Apple Keyboards the NUM LOCK is click fn and F6 (num lock).
 
 See if that gives you extended numeric pad function.
 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo
 2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB
 OS X 10.6.2 Snow Leopard
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 On 30/12/2009, at 10:55 AM, Graeme Winters wrote:
 
 
 When I took delivery of my 27 IMAC in December  I asked for the Parallels 
 package to be installed as I had MYOB for Windows software and as Treasurer 
 for a small NFP organisation I wanted to continue providing this service
 
 Because MYOB involves a good deal of data entry I asked for the extended 
 keyboard and the supplier threw this in for me at no extra cost.
 
 MYOB works fine except that when I come to enter numbers using the extended 
 numeric pad this key pad does  not function. I find I must use the row of 
 numbers across the top of the keyboard
 
 The extended part of the keyboard operates fine at all other times.
 
 In windows you have NUM LOCK key but not in Apple
 
 This implies that the problem is one related to MYOB but not sure
 Can anyone guide me?
 
 Apart from that I have a wireless keyboard surplus to requirements. Can 
 anyone use this?
 
 Graeme
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: keyboard

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Graeme,

I just had a look at the Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad.  You can use the 
'clear' key. 

Cheers,
Ronni

On 30/12/2009, at 2:11 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 
 Hi Graeme,
 
 On Apple Keyboards the NUM LOCK is click fn and F6 (num lock).
 
 See if that gives you extended numeric pad function.
 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo
 2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB
 OS X 10.6.2 Snow Leopard
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 On 30/12/2009, at 10:55 AM, Graeme Winters wrote:
 
 
 When I took delivery of my 27 IMAC in December  I asked for the Parallels 
 package to be installed as I had MYOB for Windows software and as Treasurer 
 for a small NFP organisation I wanted to continue providing this service
 
 Because MYOB involves a good deal of data entry I asked for the extended 
 keyboard and the supplier threw this in for me at no extra cost.
 
 MYOB works fine except that when I come to enter numbers using the extended 
 numeric pad this key pad does  not function. I find I must use the row of 
 numbers across the top of the keyboard
 
 The extended part of the keyboard operates fine at all other times.
 
 In windows you have NUM LOCK key but not in Apple
 
 This implies that the problem is one related to MYOB but not sure
 Can anyone guide me?
 
 Apart from that I have a wireless keyboard surplus to requirements. Can 
 anyone use this?
 
 Graeme
 



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Re: keyboard

[Graeme Winters]

Many thanks once again to all

Graeme
On 30/12/2009, at 5:30 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 
 Hi Graeme,
 
 I just had a look at the Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad.  You can use the 
 'clear' key. 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 30/12/2009, at 2:11 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 
 Hi Graeme,
 
 On Apple Keyboards the NUM LOCK is click fn and F6 (num lock).
 
 See if that gives you extended numeric pad function.
 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo
 2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB
 OS X 10.6.2 Snow Leopard
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 On 30/12/2009, at 10:55 AM, Graeme Winters wrote:
 
 
 When I took delivery of my 27 IMAC in December  I asked for the Parallels 
 package to be installed as I had MYOB for Windows software and as Treasurer 
 for a small NFP organisation I wanted to continue providing this service
 
 Because MYOB involves a good deal of data entry I asked for the extended 
 keyboard and the supplier threw this in for me at no extra cost.
 
 MYOB works fine except that when I come to enter numbers using the extended 
 numeric pad this key pad does  not function. I find I must use the row of 
 numbers across the top of the keyboard
 
 The extended part of the keyboard operates fine at all other times.
 
 In windows you have NUM LOCK key but not in Apple
 
 This implies that the problem is one related to MYOB but not sure
 Can anyone guide me?
 
 Apart from that I have a wireless keyboard surplus to requirements. Can 
 anyone use this?
 
 Graeme
 
 
 
 
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

[Stuart Breden]

Is that where they hide.  I've put an alias into my Common Items stack.

Thank you Ronni!

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On 15/06/2009, at 2:03 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:



On 15/06/2009, at 1:16 PM, Laura Webb wrote:

Thanks Bob. I am aware of that but what I want is how to actually  
type both the symbols on the Apple (Command) key. So far I've only  
managed the Apple!



Hi Laura,

Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

Cheers,
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

[Ronda Brown]

On 15/06/2009, at 1:16 PM, Laura Webb wrote:

Thanks Bob. I am aware of that but what I want is how to actually  
type both the symbols on the Apple (Command) key. So far I've only  
managed the Apple!



Hi Laura,

Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

Cheers,
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts

[Robert Howells]

On 15/06/2009, at 2:03 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:



On 15/06/2009, at 1:16 PM, Laura Webb wrote:

Thanks Bob. I am aware of that but what I want is how to actually  
type both the symbols on the Apple (Command) key. So far I've only  
managed the Apple!



Hi Laura,

Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

Cheers,
Ronni



And you could try out Keycue

http://www.ergonis.com/products/keycue/

Trial version available

Bob

Press and hold command/apple key and all shortcuts for that function  
are shown on screen


Bob




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Re: Keyboard

[Robert Howells]

On 27/05/2009, at 7:58 AM, Justin Davies wrote:

Hi James, Ronnie, thanks very much for your responses. The keyboard  
could be power hungry as I have a mouse plugged in to the left usb  
socket in the keyboard and a printer plugged into the right. I only  
connect the keyboard when I have the laptop connected to mains power.


Justin ,

you might try reconnecting the keyboard ... without  the printer  
connected to it

as a trouble shooting trial

then what happens when the printer is connected  ... do you get a  
message that says

there is low current for that device ?


Bob







I had no trouble with the Dell keyboard on currently os.

As to why I use an external keyboard, it is a question of  
ergonomics. Any ergonomist will tell you that typing directly onto a  
laptop keyboard for extended periods of time eg all day, and  
particularly looking down at the laptop screen will eventually lead  
to posture problems, loads of back and neck pain,  and forearm  
soreness as well. You don't see laptop only setups often in  
corporates any more as a result. For the small amount that they  
cost, you should get one too. Definitely better to type on IMHO.


Thanks for input thus far...

Justin


maybe the keyboard is power hungry thus it appears unreliable, i have
seen that sort of problems on windows machines where on the front
only certain memory stick worked, some othere got slow  after
connecting them to the backside socket they worked on full speed
just something: can you borrow a mains powered usb hub  try the
keyboard with that oneJames

On 26/05/2009, at 16:45, Ronda Brown wrote:


Hi Justin,

I'm intrigued ... why are you using an external keyboard on your
PowerBook? I can 'sort of' understand why some people prefer to use
an external mouse instead of the trackpad, but an external keyboard
on a laptop?

Were you using the Dell keyboard in Leopard?

I think USB drivers aren't loaded until the OS starts up. Are you
allowing enough time for the operating system to fully boot up.
I wonder if it's not getting power quick enough to the USB port for
both keyboard and mouse?

Cheers,
Ronni

On 26/05/2009, at 2:14 PM, Justin Davies wrote:


Hi wamuggers, got a small but frustrating problem - each time I
shut down my powerbook or disconnect the external keyboard, I have
to connect the keyboard 3 times before it recognises it and allows
me to type. The mac mouse which is connected to the keyboard works
no problem however.

I have a powerbook g4, latest os and it is a mac keyboard.
Interestingly I never had this problem with a dell keyboard I used
to plug in into the powerbook. Any suggestions gratefully
appreciated...

Best regards



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Re: Keyboard - powerbook doesn't recognise it straight away

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Justin,

I'm intrigued ... why are you using an external keyboard on your  
PowerBook? I can 'sort of' understand why some people prefer to use an  
external mouse instead of the trackpad, but an external keyboard on a  
laptop?


Were you using the Dell keyboard in Leopard?

I think USB drivers aren't loaded until the OS starts up. Are you  
allowing enough time for the operating system to fully boot up.
I wonder if it's not getting power quick enough to the USB port for  
both keyboard and mouse?


Cheers,
Ronni

On 26/05/2009, at 2:14 PM, Justin Davies wrote:

Hi wamuggers, got a small but frustrating problem - each time I shut  
down my powerbook or disconnect the external keyboard, I have to  
connect the keyboard 3 times before it recognises it and allows me  
to type. The mac mouse which is connected to the keyboard works no  
problem however.


I have a powerbook g4, latest os and it is a mac keyboard.  
Interestingly I never had this problem with a dell keyboard I used  
to plug in into the powerbook. Any suggestions gratefully  
appreciated...


Best regards



Justin Davies
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www.justindavies.com.au
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Re: Keyboard - powerbook doesn't recognise it straight away

[James / Hans Kunz]

maybe the keyboard is power hungry thus it appears unreliable, i have  
seen that sort of problems on windows machines where on the front  
only certain memory stick worked, some othere got slow  after  
connecting them to the backside socket they worked on full speed
just something: can you borrow a mains powered usb hub  try the  
keyboard with that oneJames


On 26/05/2009, at 16:45, Ronda Brown wrote:


Hi Justin,

I'm intrigued ... why are you using an external keyboard on your  
PowerBook? I can 'sort of' understand why some people prefer to use  
an external mouse instead of the trackpad, but an external keyboard  
on a laptop?


Were you using the Dell keyboard in Leopard?

I think USB drivers aren't loaded until the OS starts up. Are you  
allowing enough time for the operating system to fully boot up.
I wonder if it's not getting power quick enough to the USB port for  
both keyboard and mouse?


Cheers,
Ronni

On 26/05/2009, at 2:14 PM, Justin Davies wrote:

Hi wamuggers, got a small but frustrating problem - each time I  
shut down my powerbook or disconnect the external keyboard, I have  
to connect the keyboard 3 times before it recognises it and allows  
me to type. The mac mouse which is connected to the keyboard works  
no problem however.


I have a powerbook g4, latest os and it is a mac keyboard.  
Interestingly I never had this problem with a dell keyboard I used  
to plug in into the powerbook. Any suggestions gratefully  
appreciated...


Best regards



Justin Davies
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www.justindavies.com.au
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Re: Keyboard Viewer

[Ronda Brown]

On 06/09/2007, at 3:18 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:

I have been looking for some fancy symbols and realise that  
Keyboard Viewer does not display some fonts correctly (Webdings,  
Zapf Dingbats) though they come up fine in Font Book.   I have  
repaired permissions and trashed Keyboard Viewer Server preferences  
but no joy.

Any suggestions please?
Severin Crisp


Hi Severin,

Keyboard Viewer does a good job with “real” character fonts, but when  
you move into symbols and dingbats, you can have problems.
Apple’s Character Palette can help in this regard because it will  
show you all those oddball characters and allow you to insert them  
into your text.


To view special characters in Keyboard Viewer, hold down any modifier  
keys (the option key, for example), and the on-screen keyboard will  
show you the special characters available for that particular key (or  
for that combination of modifier keys if you’re holding down more  
than one).
To test other typefaces, click on the Font menu at the bottom of the  
window and select another one.


For example, hold down the Option key and type G and the copyright  
symbol © appears in your text.


Webdings shows ok in my Keyboard Viewer, but Zapf Dingbats doesn't.

Cheers,

Ronni



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Re: Keyboard Viewer

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 06/09/2007, at 3:18 PM, Severin Crisp wrote:

I have been looking for some fancy symbols and realise that  
Keyboard Viewer does not display some fonts correctly (Webdings,  
Zapf Dingbats) though they come up fine in Font Book.   I have  
repaired permissions and trashed Keyboard Viewer Server preferences  
but no joy.

Any suggestions please?
Severin Crisp


This is a known bug in Keyboard Viewer. Hopefully it will be fixed in  
Leopard, but I have read nothing to suggest this might be true.  
Unfortunatley, no amount of repairing permissions or trashing support  
files will help.


Your best alternative (with built-in Mac OS X resources) id the  
Character Palette. If you don't have this turned on, it can be  
accessed from the bottom of the Edit menu in many programs (Special  
Characters...), but not all (notably, of course, Microsoft Office).  
If you don't see Special Characters... in the Edit menu, you'll have  
to activate it by going to System Preferences  International  Input  
Menu Tab and click the chekc box next to Character Palette at the top  
of the list of input methods. You can now access the Character  
Palette from the International Menu (the same way you access Keyboard  
Viewer) and this works in pretty much any program, including Office  
2004.


It doesn't give you the keyboard commands of Keyboard Viewer, but it  
does give you access to thousands of symbols in any font you have  
available.


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Re: Keyboard Mouse

[Rob Findlay]

On 21/11/06 10:08 PM, Chris Watt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So I'm after a wired keyboard and mouse.  Just after a standard white
 pro mouse as I don;t like the Mighty Mice.  Standard keyboard too (not
 that it;s changed lately!!)

I too don't like the mighty mouse so the first thing I do when I change Macs
is plug in a 2 button PC mouse, Logitech, Microsoft intellipoint, they are
all pretty good. Pick em up for $20 at Office Works. Gotta have a right
mouse button and scroll wheel. Stay with the Apple keyboard though.
Rob

Re: Keyboard backlighting

[James Devenish]

Hi

On 13/01/06, Edward Arrowsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Even though I have illuminate keyboard in low light conditions turned
 in in the system preferences my backlighting is not working. It was
 happening prior to updating to 10.4.4

Have you tried any obvious measures yet, like checking the backlight
brightness? Perhaps it is possible that the brightness can be zero
despite the illuminate keybaord option? Perhaps you could induce
low light conditions (e.g., by covering both the left and right
light sensors / speaker grilles with books), then you can use your
keyboard buttons to adjust your backlight brightness and see if that
makes a difference or not?

Re Keyboard Woes Previous Post

[Robert D Miller-Eves]

Problem Solved! Daughter admitted to drink spillage!
I've just spent 3 hrs dismantling and cleaning keyboard (Amazing how 
much crap builds up in them).Got it all back together with one washer 
left over and she works just fine -Looks nice and clean too!

Re: Keyboard Address Book Help Please Help for Help

[Greg Manzie]

Thank you to all for the support and help. This posting is for those  
who are interested in the solution to my previous problems.


To everyone else. Sorry for the long post.

I have had a lot of drama and great deal of hair pulling over the last  
few weeks, but the problems turned out to be similar and operating  
system related.


1. The Keyboard problem;

My first posting.
Good Morning

Can someone help me with this problem please.
Macintosh G4 400 MHz (PCI graphics), 1 Gig RAM, OS10.3.5,
10 Gig  20 Gig internal HD's,120 Gig external HD,
SCSI card, Netgear RP 614 Router,

When OS 10.3.4 first came out I dutifully updated. At about the same  
time I purchased a cordless Logitech mouse.


About the same time I also started having intermittent problems with my  
keyboard entries. It is a standard Apple keyboard, that came with the  
G4.


The e, d, c and enter keys would hang and sometimes not work at all.  
This happens in Finder, Mail, Safari and Appleworks (possibly others)  
but not all of the time.


I waited until O S 10.3.5 came out, then undated again, but with no  
change.


The problem occurs at some stage every day but not every time I use  
those apps. (for instance it is not happening right now thank goodness.  
It can be a real pain when your on line or trying to communicate with  
the bank).


I do regular back ups and maintenance checks and have tried the  
following at various times;


Reboot almost every day
Run Diskwarrior (every month)
Run Yasu (every week)
Repair permissions using disk utility (even though Yasu does that  
anyway)

Re fitted the original Puk mouse
Changed the Logitech mouse batteries
Changed the keyboard settings

Sometimes if I disconnect and re connect the USB mouse port on the  
keyboard the problem disappears for a while.
The only other USB devise is a Sarotech external HD connected to the  
Tower USB port. (this is usually switched off).


The problem only occurs during a particular session. The next time I  
use the app it may be normal. This happens even if I leave the app  
running in the background.


If the problem was mechanical and related to the keyboard itself, the  
pattern of intermittence would be different (I think). When the fault  
occurs, it consistently occurs (if that makes sense).


I recently fitted some second hand, but genuine Apple RAM, but that was  
working perfectly before the problem started.


Thank you for your attention
Regards

Greg Manzie

Selected answers;

I have a user here with a standard corded G4 keyboard - at some stage  
around upgrading to 10.3 he lost the volume up / volume down and eject  
buttons on the keypad. The fault is certainly not mechanical and posts  
to other lists to date have been fruitless...


Cheers, Antony.

Thanks for providing such a complete description of your situation.
However, unless there is something special going on, the first thing
you should suspect is a hardware problem within the keyboard (which is
never going to be resolved by a software upgrade). Depending on the
model of keyboard, and its physical environment, you could suspect
either a mechanical issue or an electrical issue. Sometimes, built-up
grime is enough to jam the mechanical response of keys, and this can be
resolved easily. If it were a software problem, it would normally be
deliberately caused by special input methods (e.g. non-Roman writing
systems or 'accessibility' features), and would have a consistent
trigger pattern, and would not affect such a peculiar assortment of
keys.

If you are in a physically clean environment (e.g. you do not spill
drinks into your keyboard), it is probably a bit hard to explain why so
many keys have failed, but for all I know it might be a consequence of
the arrangement of electrical conductors in the keyboard. Things like
cracks in electrical conductors can cause intermittent problems that
resolve themselves if you physically handle the keyboard. It is also
possible that there's a permanent degradation of a discrete component
or integrated circuit (in the keyboard) that is causing these problems.

If you suspect a software problem, one approach might be to borrow a
second keyboard for a while. Whenever your current keyboard misbehaves,
try pressing the equivalent keys on the second keyboard. If the second
keyboard always works, then replace your current keyboard. You could
also simply try unplugging (and then replugging) your keyboard each time
this happens, to effect a power cycle. If the problem applies to both
keyboards, however...um...

from James.

Actually: note that 'e', 'd' and 'c' all form a column on the keyboard.
Generally, the natural arrangement of buttons in keyboards and keypads
is as a 'matrix'. While I don't know about Apple keyboards, a
traditional construction and operation of matrices is based around a
row/column design. Therefore, failures affecting a column or failures
affecting a row would be a veritable 'calling card' of hardware failure.

again from me;


Thank you 

Re: Keyboard Shortcut

[Peter Sealy]

On 02/10/2004, at 3:06 PM, Nancy McIntyre wrote:

 Howdy Peter,

I tried to duplicate your problem on 10.3.5 - fairly new on emac out 
of the box - and found that the dialog box won't accept any keystroke 
combinations that are already reserved for other actions.
Once I hit on a novel combination, the add button lit up nice and 
blue.


Nancy
Thanks for your response but I still can not get this. No matter what 
wacky combo of keys I enter none of them will be entered. All I get is 
an alert beep for the letter/key. Hence my new post about alert beeps.

.

Peter Sealy
Thurgoona AUSTRALIA

Re: Keyboard Shortcut

[Ronda Brown]

On 04/10/2004, at 9:08 AM, Peter Sealy wrote:



On 02/10/2004, at 3:06 PM, Nancy McIntyre wrote:

 Howdy Peter,

I tried to duplicate your problem on 10.3.5 - fairly new on emac out 
of the box - and found that the dialog box won't accept any keystroke 
combinations that are already reserved for other actions.
Once I hit on a novel combination, the add button lit up nice and 
blue.


Nancy
Thanks for your response but I still can not get this. No matter what 
wacky combo of keys I enter none of them will be entered. All I get is 
an alert beep for the letter/key. Hence my new post about alert beeps.

.

Peter Sealy
Thurgoona AUSTRALIA


Hi Peter,

This from a Macworld  Document I have may help you.
(For WAMUG I had to delete the images I included for Peter).

Customize Keyboard Shortcuts:

Panther lets you define your own keyboard shortcuts for almost any 
command in any application. For example, the Finder's Secure Empty 
Trash feature -- which writes over deleted data so that no one can 
retrieve it -- is very useful, but it isn't accessible via a keyboard 
shortcut. However, a quick trip to the Keyboard Shortcuts area of the 
Keyboard  Mouse preference pane can take care of this oversight.
In Keyboard Shortcuts, click on the plus-sign (+) button to add a new 
shortcut. In the resulting dialog box, select Finder from the 
Application menu and, in the Menu Title field, enter the name of the 
command you want to assign a shortcut to -- in this example, you'd type 
Secure Empty Trash. (You must type the exact name of the command as it 
appears in the Finder.) Then decide what keyboard shortcut you'd like 
to use. The challenge is finding a shortcut that hasn't been assigned 
to something else. In our example, we used shift-control-option-T
Once you've found an available keyboard shortcut, click on the Add 
button. Applications must be restarted before you can use their new 
keyboard shortcuts.
 With a Finder shortcut, you'll have to log out and log back in (or use 
the Activity Monitor utility to restart the Finder).


Cheers,
Ronni

Re: Keyboard Shortcut

[Nancy McIntyre]

Read in the digest 2/10/04 - from Peter Sealy



Has anyone been able to write a Keyboard Shortcut using System
PrefsKeyboard  MouseKeyboard Shortcuts?


 Howdy Peter,

I tried to duplicate your problem on 10.3.5 - fairly new on emac out of 
the box - and found that the dialog box won't accept any keystroke 
combinations that are already reserved for other actions.
Once I hit on a novel combination, the add button lit up nice and 
blue.

Hope this helps,

Nancy M

Re: Keyboard Help Please

[James Devenish]

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:40:05AM +0800, Greg Manzie wrote:
 The e, d, c and enter keys would hang and sometimes not work at all. 
 This happens in Finder, Mail, Safari and Appleworks (possibly others) 
 but not all of the time.

Thanks for providing such a complete description of your situation.
However, unless there is something special going on, the first thing
you should suspect is a hardware problem within the keyboard (which is
never going to be resolved by a software upgrade). Depending on the
model of keyboard, and its physical environment, you could suspect
either a mechanical issue or an electrical issue. Sometimes, built-up
grime is enough to jam the mechanical response of keys, and this can be
resolved easily. If it were a software problem, it would normally be
deliberately caused by special input methods (e.g. non-Roman writing
systems or 'accessibility' features), and would have a consistent
trigger pattern, and would not affect such a peculiar assortment of
keys.

If you are in a physically clean environment (e.g. you do not spill
drinks into your keyboard), it is probably a bit hard to explain why so
many keys have failed, but for all I know it might be a consequence of
the arrangement of electrical conductors in the keyboard. Things like
cracks in electrical conductors can cause intermittent problems that
resolve themselves if you physically handle the keyboard. It is also
possible that there's a permanent degradation of a discrete component
or integrated circuit (in the keyboard) that is causing these problems.

If you suspect a software problem, one approach might be to borrow a
second keyboard for a while. Whenever your current keyboard misbehaves,
try pressing the equivalent keys on the second keyboard. If the second
keyboard always works, then replace your current keyboard. You could
also simply try unplugging (and then replugging) your keyboard each time
this happens, to effect a power cycle. If the problem applies to both
keyboards, however...um...

Re: Keyboard Help Please

[James Devenish]

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:59:49AM +0800, James Devenish wrote:
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 on Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:40:05AM +0800, Greg Manzie wrote:
  The e, d, c and enter keys would hang and sometimes not work at all. 
[...]
 it is probably a bit hard to explain why so many keys have failed

Actually: note that 'e', 'd' and 'c' all form a column on the keyboard.
Generally, the natural arrangement of buttons in keyboards and keypads
is as a 'matrix'. While I don't know about Apple keyboards, a
traditional construction and operation of matrices is based around a
row/column design. Therefore, failures affecting a column or failures
affecting a row would be a veritable 'calling card' of hardware failure.

Re: Keyboard Help Please

[Greg Manzie]

Thank you James, for your excellent input.

I now remember that at one stage the space bar was affected which is 
almost in the same row. I will borrow another keyboard and see if the 
problem recurs. It also seems strange that the enter key is faulty, but 
never the return key.


The environment is clean and stable.

A new keyboard is looking more like the answer.

The next time it happens I will make more observations and post the 
eventual answer to the list.


Regards

Greg Manzie
Director

Glyde Gallery Conservation
Conservators, Consultants and Picture Framers
for Museums, Art Galleries and Collectors

5 Glyde Street
MOSMAN PARK
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Telephone (08) 9383 3929
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On 06 Sep 2004, at 11:10 AM, James Devenish wrote:


In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:59:49AM +0800, James Devenish wrote:

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:40:05AM +0800, Greg Manzie wrote:

The e, d, c and enter keys would hang and sometimes not work at all.

[...]

it is probably a bit hard to explain why so many keys have failed


Actually: note that 'e', 'd' and 'c' all form a column on the keyboard.
Generally, the natural arrangement of buttons in keyboards and keypads
is as a 'matrix'. While I don't know about Apple keyboards, a
traditional construction and operation of matrices is based around a
row/column design. Therefore, failures affecting a column or failures
affecting a row would be a veritable 'calling card' of hardware 
failure.




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Re: Keyboard Help Please

[Mark Secker]

please note that the return and enter key are two different keys that 
do two different functions (though on may applications the effect is 
the same).
I'll suggest that it is your physical keyboard as I have similar 
problem on my Apple Pro keyboard plugged in to my Powerbook - problem 
is only on the external usb keyboard - the built in (laptop) 
keyboard's fine as is using a different keyboard (the usb keyboard 
from my Wintel box).




Thank you James, for your excellent input.

I now remember that at one stage the space bar was affected which is 
almost in the same row. I will borrow another keyboard and see if 
the problem recurs. It also seems strange that the enter key is 
faulty, but never the return key.


The environment is clean and stable.

A new keyboard is looking more like the answer.

The next time it happens I will make more observations and post the 
eventual answer to the list.


Regards

Greg Manzie
Director

Glyde Gallery Conservation
Conservators, Consultants and Picture Framers
for Museums, Art Galleries and Collectors

5 Glyde Street
MOSMAN PARK
Western Australia 6012

Telephone (08) 9383 3929
Mobile 0438 833 144
Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

ABN 89 154 124 265

On 06 Sep 2004, at 11:10 AM, James Devenish wrote:


 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 on Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:59:49AM +0800, James Devenish wrote:

 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 on Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:40:05AM +0800, Greg Manzie wrote:

 The e, d, c and enter keys would hang and sometimes not work at all.

 [...]

 it is probably a bit hard to explain why so many keys have failed


 Actually: note that 'e', 'd' and 'c' all form a column on the keyboard.
 Generally, the natural arrangement of buttons in keyboards and keypads
 is as a 'matrix'. While I don't know about Apple keyboards, a
 traditional construction and operation of matrices is based around a
 row/column design. Therefore, failures affecting a column or failures
 affecting a row would be a veritable 'calling card' of hardware failure.



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Re: Keyboard Help Please

[Antony N. Lord]

About the same time I also started having intermittent problems with 
my keyboard entries. It is a standard Apple keyboard, that came with 
the G4.


I have a user here with a standard corded G4 keyboard - at some stage 
around upgrading to 10.3 he lost the volume up / volume down and 
eject buttons on the keypad. The fault is certainly not mechanical 
and posts to other lists to date have been fruitless...


Cheers, Antony.

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Re: Keyboard Help Please

[Antony N. Lord]

About the same time I also started having intermittent problems with 
my keyboard entries. It is a standard Apple keyboard, that came with 
the G4.


I have a user here with a standard corded G4 keyboard - at some stage 
around upgrading to 10.3 he lost the volume up / volume down and 
eject buttons on the keypad. The fault is certainly not mechanical 
and posts to other lists to date have been fruitless...


Cheers, Antony.

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Re: Keyboard for G4

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 28/07/2004, at 4:05 PM, Martin Hill wrote:

Ken, we have recently bought a Belkin Wireless keyboard and wireless 
optical
mouse from Harvey Norman's for $59 and also the Microsoft Basic 
Wireless
Keyboard and mouse for $85 which both perform very well on the Mac - 
all the

extra multimedia keys work on the MS keyboard under OS X with the MS
software which makes the extra expense worth it.

For these prices you might as well go new and have the added bonus of
wireless and optical wheelie mice into the bargain.  (Begone cursed
one-button mouse!)

-Mart



Just out of interest - what do you do about a Command key on one of 
these things?


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Re: Keyboard for G4

[Chris Griffiths]

The apple wireless mouses have AA batteries and last about 2 months.

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On 28/07/2004, at 5:39 PM, John Taylor wrote:



On 28 Jul 2004, at 4:05 PM, Martin Hill wrote:

Ken, we have recently bought a Belkin Wireless keyboard and wireless 
optical
mouse from Harvey Norman's for $59 and also the Microsoft Basic 
Wireless
Keyboard and mouse for $85 which both perform very well on the Mac - 
all the

extra multimedia keys work on the MS keyboard under OS X with the MS
software which makes the extra expense worth it.


I've wondered about these wireless devices. What sort of batteries do 
they have and how long do they last?


Regards,

John Taylor


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Re: Keyboard for G4

[Martin Hill]

The Belkin and MS keyboards have 2-3 AA or AAA batteries and are supposed to
last a few months.  That's pretty much what we've experienced.  It's very
useful having the keyboard and mouse on the coffee table in the lounge to
control the Entertainment Mac.  The other wireless keyboard works great in
the lectern at our local church to control the Mac driving the video
projector when a speaker wants to change powerpoint slides themselves from
up the front.

In answer to Peter's question about the command (Apple) key - there is
plenty of freeware/shareware software available that maps it to either the
Windows key and or swaps the Windows key with the alt key (or just about any
other combination).  The software that comes with the MS keyboard also
allows you to map the keys wherever you wish and set up the Music key to
launch iTunes, picture key - iPhoto etc.

By default without any extra software both keyboards correctly map the
volume keys and if I recall correctly the next song  previous song keys to
work in iTunes (when iTunes is running).  I haven't been able to get the
extra multimedia buttons on the cheap Belkin keyboard to map to iTunes,
Safari and iPhoto unfortunately, but the MS s/w does it perfectly well on
the MS keyboard.

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 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:39:05 +0800
 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au
 Subject: Re: Keyboard for G4
 
 
 On 28 Jul 2004, at 4:05 PM, Martin Hill wrote:
 
 Ken, we have recently bought a Belkin Wireless keyboard and wireless
 optical
 mouse from Harvey Norman's for $59 and also the Microsoft Basic
 Wireless
 Keyboard and mouse for $85 which both perform very well on the Mac -
 all the
 extra multimedia keys work on the MS keyboard under OS X with the MS
 software which makes the extra expense worth it.
 
 I've wondered about these wireless devices. What sort of batteries do
 they have and how long do they last?
 
 Regards,
 
 John Taylor
 
 
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Re: Keyboard for G4

[Martin Hill]

Ken, we have recently bought a Belkin Wireless keyboard and wireless optical
mouse from Harvey Norman's for $59 and also the Microsoft Basic Wireless
Keyboard and mouse for $85 which both perform very well on the Mac - all the
extra multimedia keys work on the MS keyboard under OS X with the MS
software which makes the extra expense worth it.

For these prices you might as well go new and have the added bonus of
wireless and optical wheelie mice into the bargain.  (Begone cursed
one-button mouse!)

-Mart

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 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:38:30 +0800
 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au
 Subject: Keyboard for G4
 
 
 Hi Wamuggers,
 A friend of mine spilt coffee on the G4 keyboard  it's allergic to caffeine
 it seems!
 Won't perform as one would expect!
 Has anyone a cheap keyboard out there?
 I'll be away until the 9th of August but would greatly appreciate any help.
 Regards,
 
 Ken
 
 
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Re: Keyboard for G3 PowerBook

[Stuart Elvish]

Dear Michael,

I at present use a Logitech elite keyboard which comes with OS X 
drivers so all the shortcut and volume adjustment keys work really 
well. The setup utility also allows you to change the button functions. 
Haven't tested the play and pause buttons yet as I haven't played a CD 
and they don't seem to work in iTunes (maybe a setup issue related to a 
dumb user). It also has an Apple key (two actually which is much better 
than the lap top with one).


I got it from Dynacom (9309 5090 and they deliver) but you can get it 
from Office Works. There is also another model for OS X with less 
features on it (after all some people need a keyboard for only the 
keyboard function) but I don't know how much it was worth or what it 
actually had on it.


Hope this helps.

Stuart

On Monday, Dec 1, 2003, at 11:43 Australia/Perth, Michael Hawkins wrote:


I have a G3 PowerBook 400 with two USB slots and two Firewire slots.

I'm looking for an external keyboard. Does anyone have any 
recommendations

or warnings?


Thank you,

Michael Hawkins.


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Re: Keyboard/Mouse Lockout

[Dark Servant]

I have recently discovered that a friend using a PC is also 
experiencing this same problem.  This person also knows of someone else 
experiencing the same problem using a PC.
So far I have not been able to figure out a way of dealing with this 
problem


Ruben A. Franke

I have recently been experiencing what I thought to be freezes.  
However I noticed that programs continued to function normally and 
discovered that unplugging the keyboard and plugging it back in fixes 
the problem.  This fix only works temporarily and the problem occurs 
again after some time.

Problem occurs in various programs and in Finder.
I recently went through disc first aid and repaired permissions 
although I'm not too sure if this is relevant.


Running 10.2.8 on G4-400

Thanks
Ruben A. Franke


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Re: Keyboard/Mouse Lockout

[Dark Servant]

Did you have to buy a new keyboard to fix the problem?
I hope not.
Ruben A. Franke

I had the same problem, it was a faulty connector on the keyboard 
cable!

Severin Crisp

I have recently discovered that a friend using a PC is also 
experiencing this same problem.  This person also knows of someone 
else experiencing the same problem using a PC.
So far I have not been able to figure out a way of dealing with this 
problem


Ruben A. Franke

I have recently been experiencing what I thought to be freezes. 
However I noticed that programs continued to function normally and 
discovered that unplugging the keyboard and plugging it back in 
fixes the problem.  This fix only works temporarily and the problem 
occurs again after some time.

Problem occurs in various programs and in Finder.
I recently went through disc first aid and repaired permissions 
although I'm not too sure if this is relevant.


Running 10.2.8 on G4-400

Thanks
Ruben A. Franke


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Re: Keyboard/Mouse Lockout - LCD monitor?

[Derek Yeoh-Ellerton]

Hello all.

I was wondering if there was a LCD monitor involved in this set-up at all? I
have seen a few G4's with LCD monitors connected, that appear to freeze when
the USB keyboard is plugged directly into the LCD monitor, rather than into
the USB port on the back of the G4 tower.

Just an idea, incase this is the situation here.

Cheers,
Derek.

On 13/11/03 3:28 am, Dark Servant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have recently discovered that a friend using a PC is also
 experiencing this same problem.  This person also knows of someone else
 experiencing the same problem using a PC.
 So far I have not been able to figure out a way of dealing with this
 problem
 
 Ruben A. Franke
 
 I have recently been experiencing what I thought to be freezes.
 However I noticed that programs continued to function normally and
 discovered that unplugging the keyboard and plugging it back in fixes
 the problem.  This fix only works temporarily and the problem occurs
 again after some time.
 Problem occurs in various programs and in Finder.
 I recently went through disc first aid and repaired permissions
 although I'm not too sure if this is relevant.
 
 Running 10.2.8 on G4-400
 
 Thanks
 Ruben A. Franke

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Re: Keyboard/Mouse Lockout

[Craig Ringer]

I have recently been experiencing what I thought to be freezes.  However 
I noticed that programs continued to function normally and discovered 
that unplugging the keyboard and plugging it back in fixes the problem.  
This fix only works temporarily and the problem occurs again after some 
time.

Problem occurs in various programs and in Finder.
I recently went through disc first aid and repaired permissions although 
I'm not too sure if this is relevant.


I've seen a similar thing on a MAcOS 9.2 machine - thought the issue was 
withthe mouse, it was otherwise the same. Replacing the mouse and 
keyboard did not help, unfortunately. I was very reluctant to erase and 
rebuild the machine (the next step after everything else I'd tried, ie 
PRAM zap, prefs nuking, etc), as it would take me quite some time - 
think Quark, Photoshop, etc etc on a DTP workstation. I eventually 
swapped the hard drive into another machine to see if it was a hardware 
fault.


The result was indeterminate - the problem never resurfaced on the 
original hardware _or_ the replacement with the original hard drive. I'd 
love to know what caused it, but at least it's gone away.


I'm not sure this is really useful to you, but I thought I'd let you 
know that I, too, have seen intermittent USB problems with basic devices 
on Apple hardware. Perhaps you might want to drop in a PCI USB card to 
see if that helps (assuming Macs support them properly - anybody know?).


Craig Ringer

Re: Keyboard Viewer in Panther

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 02/11/2003, at 9:52 AM, Tony Cockbain wrote:

Has anyone had success in seeing the appropriate keyboards for Symbol 
and Zapf Dingbats in Keyboard Viewer under Panther. It seems to  work 
fine for other fonts.





Seems a bit sporadic. Works with some fonts but not with others. Funny 
thing is that Zapf Dingbats breaks, but Monotype Sorts works! Wonder if 
it has something to do with their being enabled or disabled in Font 
Book...


Bears further checking...

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Re: keyboard wanted

[Keith Palmer]

Yes we are adding the Microsoft Office keyboard at $69 to go with the 
MS Optical wheel mouse we sell at $29. Both are Mac plug'n'play and, 
in addition, you can download the MS drivers to provide access to the 
extra features such as the scroll wheel on the mouse.


On Wednesday, September 25, 2002, at 06:08 PM, Antony N. Lord wrote:

A client of mine has an iMac with the small keyboard which he finds 
hard to

use. Does anyone have a larger USB keyboard for sale or swap?


I'm afraid not, but just about any USB keyboard will do.

Plenty of good quality, low cost keyboards can be had at just about
any large retailer (Harvey Norman for example) or one of several
Apple Resellers.

The only downside is the loss of the power key on some PC keyboards.

The Apple Pro Keyboard is great to type on and nowonly $125 from
Apple / an Apple Reseller.


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Re: keyboard wanted

[Mark Secker]

The only downside is the loss of the power key on some PC keyboards.


you mean like the Apple PC keyboard... hmmm not there... not here 
nope can't see a power button on this apple keyboard.


Actually if anybody has a stash of the quicksilver keyboards in stock 
I'd like to grab one myself... the new white ones look a tad uncool

white - the new beige.


The Apple Pro Keyboard is great to type on and nowonly $125 from
Apple / an Apple Reseller.

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Re: keyboard wanted

[Brad Helden]

Mark Secker wrote -

The only downside is the loss of the power key on some PC keyboards.

you mean like the Apple PC keyboard... hmmm not there... not here
nope can't see a power button on this apple keyboard.

Actually if anybody has a stash of the quicksilver keyboards in stock
I'd like to grab one myself... the new white ones look a tad uncool
white - the new beige.

The Apple Pro Keyboard is great to type on and nowonly $125 from
Apple / an Apple Reseller.
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Re: Keyboard Weirdness

[Shay Telfer]

I remember a while back someone had a problem with a keyboard behaving
strangely, as if the keyboard was mapped differently  keys were repeating.
It was conjectured this might be a virus. I notice that there are such
virus's for windows found in .com or.exe files. Does anyone know if there is
one around affecting the Mac. I have a client complaining of this problem.
Unfortunately she is in Warnborough so its not a quick trip down the road to
have a look.

Thanks anyone with info.
Rob Findlay


No such Mac virus (AFAIK). More likely an extension conflict or some 
USB/application weirdness.


Viruses on the Mac are usually way down the list of likely suspects 
for such things.


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Re: Keyboard Weirdness

[Rob Findlay]

Thanks Peter, I had considered some of these but the problem starts as soon
as the computer is turned on apparently so you can't even get in to check
settings. We think we may have isolated it to faulty keyboard so will try a
replacement  hopefully it's as simple as that.

Thanks to others who offered advice too:)
Rob

 Hi Rob
 
 We had some similar problems
 Some knucklehead had changed the keyboard to Italian..the keys were all
 over the place.
 
 As far as repeating keys go possibilities are
 
 1 sticky key gunk etc
 
 2 something resting on the keyboard (not a problem for tidy people!)
 
 3 key repeat rate set fast  holding keys down too long ( unlikely)
 
 4 fault have seen thisusually a restart fixed it but sometimes have
 had to zap the PRAM
 
 Cheers
 pmarty
 Peter Martinson
 Deputy Principal / IT Coordinator
 Eaton Primary School
 
 Rob Findlay wrote:
 
 I remember a while back someone had a problem with a keyboard behaving
 strangely, as if the keyboard was mapped differently  keys were repeating.
 It was conjectured this might be a virus. I notice that there are such
 virus's for windows found in .com or.exe files. Does anyone know if there is
 one around affecting the Mac. I have a client complaining of this problem.
 Unfortunately she is in Warnborough so its not a quick trip down the road to
 have a look.
 
 Thanks anyone with info.
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