Re: Time Machine backup content

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

I had forgotten that when I was using Time Machine to backup on my old 17-inch 
MacBook Pro I also used Timetracker to display the contents of Time Machine 
backups and found it very good.
I think I stopped using Timetracker when I upgraded the OS and Timetracker 
wasn’t compatible. 

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 16 Jun 2020, at 8:25 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni, sorry for taking so long to respond to your kind note. Last night 
> (with "backupd" in the search window) I had a look and made sure "All 
> Messages" (top left) was selected and "Macbook Pro" was selected in the 
> devices panel. I see a range of line items in the main panel which provides 
> information which I cannot interpret what it is actually saying. It is in 
> 'computer speak' but notwithstanding that, with Timetracker, I have been able 
> to see exactly what content (and how many MB for each component part of it) 
> was included in these backups.
> 
> So much stuff being backed up for seemingly no good reason, but then I am 
> sure it is only doing what it has been programmed to do. Invaluable to 
> recover from a HDD loss (which I have had once). 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
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> 
> To:
> 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:03:11 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Time Machine backup content
> 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Do you have “All Messages” selected under the log database in the left column?
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 12:22 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Ronni. I had a look in there using Console on my wifes MBP 
> (2011) and when I type in "backupd" i get a blank panel on the right side. 
> Does it depend on the selection on the left side panel?
> 
> I also went looking for the application I was thinking of and I found it (on 
> my MBP). It is called TimeTracker. A third party app. I used it many years 
> ago from similar curiosities about huge backups happening with little or no 
> activity on the MBP. 
> 
> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker
> 
> I don't have this on my wifes MBP so when I get time I'll install and have a 
> look at the backup content report. 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
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> 
> To:
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> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:53:54 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Time Machine backup content
> 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Everything that Time Machine does is logged to the system log, so it is 
> possible to get more detailed reports on its activities. 
> Open Console in Applications/Utilities
> To find the activity for Time Machine, you only need to know that the Time 
> Machine process is called backupd. 
> Click in the search box at the top right of the window (or just press 
> Command-Option-F), then type backupd as you type, Console will filter the 
> results to only show those entries related to the backupd process. 
> 
> The filtered output results are shown in three columns and it’s the Message 
> column that’s most useful. The messages reveal how much data was backed up, 
> what older backups were removed, and other general information about the 
> backup run.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ronni
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 9:32 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the thread 
> which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for each hourly 
> backup for TM. 
> 
> Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it had 
> been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a few 
> months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off again (used 
> the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large backup). She also had 
> clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which meant it would be huge. So 
> yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this morning it was finished. I've been 
> monitoring it through this morning and I have seen subsequent hourly backups 
> SINCE completing successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly 
> backups have been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP 
> since waking it this morning.
> 
> Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific activity 
> on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up and I'd like to 
> investigate.
> 
> How do I do this?
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Time Machine backup content

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, sorry for taking so long to respond to your kind note. Last
night (with "backupd" in the search window) I had a look and made sure
"All Messages" (top left) was selected and "Macbook Pro" was selected
in the devices panel. I see a range of line items in the main panel
which provides information which I cannot interpret what it is
actually saying. It is in 'computer speak' but notwithstanding that,
with Timetracker, I have been able to see exactly what content (and
how many MB for each component part of it) was included in these
backups.
So much stuff being backed up for seemingly no good reason, but then I
am sure it is only doing what it has been programmed to do. Invaluable
to recover from a HDD loss (which I have had once). 
Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:03:11 +0800
Subject:Re: Time Machine backup content

 Hi Peter,
Do you have “All Messages” selected under the log database in the
left column?

Kind Regards,

Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 

On 10 Jun 2020, at 12:22 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:

Thanks for that Ronni. I had a look in there using Console on my
wifes MBP (2011) and when I type in "backupd" i get a blank panel on
the right side. Does it depend on the selection on the left side
panel?
I also went looking for the application I was thinking of and I found
it (on my MBP). It is called TimeTracker. A third party app. I used it
many years ago from similar curiosities about huge backups happening
with little or no activity on the MBP. 
https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker [1]
I don't have this on my wifes MBP so when I get time I'll install and
have a look at the backup content report. 

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

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From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WAMUG" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:53:54 +0800
Subject:Re: Time Machine backup content

Hi Peter,
Everything that Time Machine does is logged to the system log, so it
is possible to get more detailed reports on its activities. Open
Console in Applications/Utilities
To find the activity for Time Machine, you only need to know that the
Time Machine process is called backupd. Click in the search box at
the top right of the window (or just press Command-Option-F),
then type backupd as you type, Console will filter the results to
only show those entries related to the backupd process. 
The filtered output results are shown in three columns and it’s the
Message column that’s most useful. The messages reveal how much data
was backed up, what older backups were removed, and other general
information about the backup run.
Kind regards,
Ronni

On 10 Jun 2020, at 9:32 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the
thread which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for
each hourly backup for TM. 
Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it
had been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a
few months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off
again (used the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large
backup). She also had clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which
meant it would be huge. So yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this
morning it was finished. I've been monitoring it through this morning
and I have seen subsequent hourly backups SINCE completing
successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly backups have
been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP since
waking it this morning.
Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific
activity on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up
and I'd like to investigate.
How do I do this?

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp
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Re: Time Machine backup content

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

Do you have “All Messages” selected under the log database in the left column?

Kind Regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 10 Jun 2020, at 12:22 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Ronni. I had a look in there using Console on my wifes MBP 
> (2011) and when I type in "backupd" i get a blank panel on the right side. 
> Does it depend on the selection on the left side panel?
> 
> I also went looking for the application I was thinking of and I found it (on 
> my MBP). It is called TimeTracker. A third party app. I used it many years 
> ago from similar curiosities about huge backups happening with little or no 
> activity on the MBP. 
> 
> https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker
> 
> I don't have this on my wifes MBP so when I get time I'll install and have a 
> look at the backup content report. 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From:
> wamug@wamug.org.au
> 
> To:
> "WAMUG" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sent:
> Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:53:54 +0800
> Subject:
> Re: Time Machine backup content
> 
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Everything that Time Machine does is logged to the system log, so it is 
> possible to get more detailed reports on its activities. 
> Open Console in Applications/Utilities
> To find the activity for Time Machine, you only need to know that the Time 
> Machine process is called backupd. 
> Click in the search box at the top right of the window (or just press 
> Command-Option-F), then type backupd as you type, Console will filter the 
> results to only show those entries related to the backupd process. 
> 
> The filtered output results are shown in three columns and it’s the Message 
> column that’s most useful. The messages reveal how much data was backed up, 
> what older backups were removed, and other general information about the 
> backup run.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ronni
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 9:32 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the thread 
> which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for each hourly 
> backup for TM. 
> 
> Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it had 
> been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a few 
> months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off again (used 
> the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large backup). She also had 
> clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which meant it would be huge. So 
> yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this morning it was finished. I've been 
> monitoring it through this morning and I have seen subsequent hourly backups 
> SINCE completing successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly 
> backups have been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP 
> since waking it this morning.
> 
> Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific activity 
> on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up and I'd like to 
> investigate.
> 
> How do I do this?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
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> Ronni
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Re: Time Machine backup content

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Everything that Time Machine does is logged to the system log, so it is 
possible to get more detailed reports on its activities. 
Open Console in Applications/Utilities
To find the activity for Time Machine, you only need to know that the Time 
Machine process is called backupd. 
Click in the search box at the top right of the window (or just press 
Command-Option-F), then type backupd as you type, Console will filter the 
results to only show those entries related to the backupd process. 

The filtered output results are shown in three columns and it’s the Message 
column that’s most useful. The messages reveal how much data was backed up, 
what older backups were removed, and other general information about the backup 
run.

Kind regards,

Ronni


> On 10 Jun 2020, at 9:32 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the thread 
> which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for each hourly 
> backup for TM. 
> 
> Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it had 
> been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a few 
> months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off again (used 
> the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large backup). She also had 
> clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which meant it would be huge. So 
> yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this morning it was finished. I've been 
> monitoring it through this morning and I have seen subsequent hourly backups 
> SINCE completing successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly 
> backups have been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP 
> since waking it this morning.
> 
> Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific activity 
> on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up and I'd like to 
> investigate.
> 
> How do I do this?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> 
> Peter Crisp
> 
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Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
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Re: Time Machine backup content

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks for that Ronni. I had a look in there using Console on my wifes
MBP (2011) and when I type in "backupd" i get a blank panel on the
right side. Does it depend on the selection on the left side panel?
I also went looking for the application I was thinking of and I found
it (on my MBP). It is called TimeTracker. A third party app. I used it
many years ago from similar curiosities about huge backups happening
with little or no activity on the MBP. 
https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/36691/timetracker [1]
I don't have this on my wifes MBP so when I get time I'll install and
have a look at the backup content report. 

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp

- Original Message -
From: wamug@wamug.org.au
To:"WAMUG" 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:53:54 +0800
Subject:Re: Time Machine backup content

Hi Peter,
Everything that Time Machine does is logged to the system log, so it
is possible to get more detailed reports on its activities. Open
Console in Applications/Utilities
To find the activity for Time Machine, you only need to know that the
Time Machine process is called backupd. Click in the search box at
the top right of the window (or just press Command-Option-F),
then type backupd as you type, Console will filter the results to
only show those entries related to the backupd process. 
The filtered output results are shown in three columns and it’s the
Message column that’s most useful. The messages reveal how much data
was backed up, what older backups were removed, and other general
information about the backup run.
Kind regards,
Ronni

On 10 Jun 2020, at 9:32 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
Hi folks, I did a search in the WAMUG archives and couldn't find the
thread which shows how to interrogate the actual backed up content for
each hourly backup for TM. 
Reason I ask is that I am bringing my wifes TM backup up to date as it
had been manually stopped for a short period, then forgotten about (a
few months!!!) and now back in business. So yesterday I set it off
again (used the Ethernet connection as I knew it would be a large
backup). She also had clear out a LOT of photos off her iphone which
meant it would be huge. So yesterday it set off (75GB) and by this
morning it was finished. I've been monitoring it through this morning
and I have seen subsequent hourly backups SINCE completing
successfully the 75GB backup and the subsequent hourly backups have
been 745MB and 220MB each. There was zero activity on the MBP since
waking it this morning.
Why would there be subsequent backups of such size with no specific
activity on the keyboard. Obviously there is something being backed up
and I'd like to investigate.
How do I do this?

Kind Regards

Peter Crisp
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 Cheers,Ronni
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1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz8GB 1600MHz
LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
macOS High Sierra 10.13.6  
 

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Re: Time Machine Backup size

[Stephen Chape]

My sincere condolences Ronni.

> On 10 Feb 2019, at 3:54 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Unfortunately I’ll have to leave this post for someone else to help as I’m 
> coping with a death in my family (My dear sister in Melbourne died this 
> morning).
> ——
> By default, Time Machine does not back up external drives, but you can change 
> this.
> 
> You can ensure that external drives are backed up by following these steps:
> 
> Open the Time Machine system preference pane.
> Click the Options button.
> Select any drive in the exclusion list that you want to have Time Machine 
> include.
> Click the - (minus) button to remove it. (Repeat for additional drives.)
> Click Save.
> That’s all you have to do.
> 
> The exclusions list is confusing, because you might want to only include 
> certain parts of an external drive. There’s no built-in way to make this 
> happen. Say you wanted to back up a Movies folder on an external drive, but 
> none of the five other top-level folders. You need to add each of those other 
> top-level folders in the Exclude list by clicking the + sign and then 
> selecting them one at a time.
> 
> https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/macs/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html
>  
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 10 Feb 2019, at 2:40 pm, Peter Crisp  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronnie, this is a good little app. It takes the app a little while to 
>> retrieve the detail for each backup but eventually I was able to see what 
>> had happened very clearly. The large backup had included the new library 
>> (~2GB) and the old library as well (~400GB) plus a mobile synch back up as 
>> well. The backup of the old library as I suspected was in there but is a 
>> complete waste of space, there was nothing in it which changed (at least by 
>> me). 
>> 
>> Having now confirmed this, is there a way to delete this recent Photos 
>> library backup and hence release the space?
>> 
>> I did note also that the TimeTracker only looks into the TC internal hard 
>> disc backups and not the additional hard drives plugged into the TC USB port 
>> for extra backup space. Is this a default setting and is there a way to look 
>> into the other drives containing backups? 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:54 pm, Ronni Brown > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> TimeTracker  0.6.2  - 04 Dec 2018
>>> 
>>> Version 0.6.2 released Dec 04, 2018
>>> 
>>> Version :
>>> Add workaround for Mojave issue resulting in permissions errors when 
>>> accessing the Time Machine preferences
>>> Remove some erroneous captions on the toolbar buttons
>>> Now notarized by Apple for Mojave
>>> 
>>> >> >
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>>> 
>>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:24 pm, Peter Crisp >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, thanks for asking this one and sorry I wasn’t a little clearer. 
 The two Photos libraries are on a 1TB external drive attached to the MBP 
 USB port. The two libraries are the only two files on the external drive 
 (formatted OSX Extend Journaled). The TM Options panel is set to include 
 the external drive in the backup of Jo’s MBP.
 
 The Time Machine Backup of Jo’s MBP is located on the Time Capsule (with 
 3TB internal drive) - so not sharing location with the Photos library. 
 
 For many years this has worked faultlessly with the single library on the 
 external drive, all I have done is created a new Photos library alongside 
 the existing Jo’s Photos library.
 
 It’s a puzzle. I do remember many years ago you let the group know of an 
 app or program that allowed one to look into the contents of previous 
 backups. If you’re able to remind me of this program, I can look into it 
 directly and find out what the contents of that back up last night were.
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 10 Feb 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown >>> > wrote:
 
> Hello Peter,
> 
> I’m not sure if I understand your Time Machine Backup of these two Photos 
> Library’s?
> 
> WARNING: If a Photos library is located on an external drive, don’t use 
> Time Machine to store a backup on that external drive. 
> The permissions for your Photos library may conflict with those for the 
> Time Machine backup.
> 
> 

Re: Time Machine Backup size

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

Unfortunately I’ll have to leave this post for someone else to help as I’m 
coping with a death in my family (My dear sister in Melbourne died this 
morning).
——
By default, Time Machine does not back up external drives, but you can change 
this.

You can ensure that external drives are backed up by following these steps:

Open the Time Machine system preference pane.
Click the Options button.
Select any drive in the exclusion list that you want to have Time Machine 
include.
Click the - (minus) button to remove it. (Repeat for additional drives.)
Click Save.
That’s all you have to do.

The exclusions list is confusing, because you might want to only include 
certain parts of an external drive. There’s no built-in way to make this 
happen. Say you wanted to back up a Movies folder on an external drive, but 
none of the five other top-level folders. You need to add each of those other 
top-level folders in the Exclude list by clicking the + sign and then selecting 
them one at a time.

https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/macs/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html

Kind regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 10 Feb 2019, at 2:40 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronnie, this is a good little app. It takes the app a little while to 
> retrieve the detail for each backup but eventually I was able to see what had 
> happened very clearly. The large backup had included the new library (~2GB) 
> and the old library as well (~400GB) plus a mobile synch back up as well. The 
> backup of the old library as I suspected was in there but is a complete waste 
> of space, there was nothing in it which changed (at least by me). 
> 
> Having now confirmed this, is there a way to delete this recent Photos 
> library backup and hence release the space?
> 
> I did note also that the TimeTracker only looks into the TC internal hard 
> disc backups and not the additional hard drives plugged into the TC USB port 
> for extra backup space. Is this a default setting and is there a way to look 
> into the other drives containing backups? 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:54 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> TimeTracker  0.6.2  - 04 Dec 2018
>> 
>> Version 0.6.2 released Dec 04, 2018
>> 
>> Version :
>> Add workaround for Mojave issue resulting in permissions errors when 
>> accessing the Time Machine preferences
>> Remove some erroneous captions on the toolbar buttons
>> Now notarized by Apple for Mojave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:24 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni, thanks for asking this one and sorry I wasn’t a little clearer. 
>>> The two Photos libraries are on a 1TB external drive attached to the MBP 
>>> USB port. The two libraries are the only two files on the external drive 
>>> (formatted OSX Extend Journaled). The TM Options panel is set to include 
>>> the external drive in the backup of Jo’s MBP.
>>> 
>>> The Time Machine Backup of Jo’s MBP is located on the Time Capsule (with 
>>> 3TB internal drive) - so not sharing location with the Photos library. 
>>> 
>>> For many years this has worked faultlessly with the single library on the 
>>> external drive, all I have done is created a new Photos library alongside 
>>> the existing Jo’s Photos library.
>>> 
>>> It’s a puzzle. I do remember many years ago you let the group know of an 
>>> app or program that allowed one to look into the contents of previous 
>>> backups. If you’re able to remind me of this program, I can look into it 
>>> directly and find out what the contents of that back up last night were.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
 On 10 Feb 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
 
 Hello Peter,
 
 I’m not sure if I understand your Time Machine Backup of these two Photos 
 Library’s?
 
 WARNING: If a Photos library is located on an external drive, don’t use 
 Time Machine to store a backup on that external drive. 
 The permissions for your Photos library may conflict with those for the 
 Time Machine backup.
 
 
 
 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
 
 macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
 
> On 10 Feb 2019, at 10:47 am, Peter Crisp  
> wrote:
> 
> HI, during Saturday i was consolidating the photos back up for my mother 
> in law (she has no computer) using my wife’s MacBook Pro. My wi

Re: Time Machine Backup size

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronnie, this is a good little app. It takes the app a little while to 
retrieve the detail for each backup but eventually I was able to see what had 
happened very clearly. The large backup had included the new library (~2GB) and 
the old library as well (~400GB) plus a mobile synch back up as well. The 
backup of the old library as I suspected was in there but is a complete waste 
of space, there was nothing in it which changed (at least by me). 

Having now confirmed this, is there a way to delete this recent Photos library 
backup and hence release the space?

I did note also that the TimeTracker only looks into the TC internal hard disc 
backups and not the additional hard drives plugged into the TC USB port for 
extra backup space. Is this a default setting and is there a way to look into 
the other drives containing backups? 

Regards


Pete

> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:54 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> TimeTracker  0.6.2  - 04 Dec 2018
> 
> Version 0.6.2 released Dec 04, 2018
> 
> Version :
> Add workaround for Mojave issue resulting in permissions errors when 
> accessing the Time Machine preferences
> Remove some erroneous captions on the toolbar buttons
> Now notarized by Apple for Mojave
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
> 
> 
>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:24 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni, thanks for asking this one and sorry I wasn’t a little clearer. 
>> The two Photos libraries are on a 1TB external drive attached to the MBP USB 
>> port. The two libraries are the only two files on the external drive 
>> (formatted OSX Extend Journaled). The TM Options panel is set to include the 
>> external drive in the backup of Jo’s MBP.
>> 
>> The Time Machine Backup of Jo’s MBP is located on the Time Capsule (with 3TB 
>> internal drive) - so not sharing location with the Photos library. 
>> 
>> For many years this has worked faultlessly with the single library on the 
>> external drive, all I have done is created a new Photos library alongside 
>> the existing Jo’s Photos library.
>> 
>> It’s a puzzle. I do remember many years ago you let the group know of an app 
>> or program that allowed one to look into the contents of previous backups. 
>> If you’re able to remind me of this program, I can look into it directly and 
>> find out what the contents of that back up last night were.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Peter,
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure if I understand your Time Machine Backup of these two Photos 
>>> Library’s?
>>> 
>>> WARNING: If a Photos library is located on an external drive, don’t use 
>>> Time Machine to store a backup on that external drive. 
>>> The permissions for your Photos library may conflict with those for the 
>>> Time Machine backup.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>>> 
>>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
>>> 
 On 10 Feb 2019, at 10:47 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
 
 HI, during Saturday i was consolidating the photos back up for my mother 
 in law (she has no computer) using my wife’s MacBook Pro. My wife has her 
 Photos library on an exclusive Photos only external 1TB drive. So I 
 created a second library “Carol” on the external drive to import photos 
 for my mother in law alongside the existing System library (420GB) for Jo. 
 This import all went very successfully but the next time a TM backup came 
 around, as expected it recognised the new library (~4GB) but the backup 
 was ~460GB in size. Given that the original library was unchanged and 
 nothing in particular was changed on the main SSD, why would TM decide the 
 entire external drive plus other material it seems, needed backing up 
 again. I connected it to the Ethernet to speed this process which finished 
 during the night but I am puzzled why TM decided to apparently update such 
 a large quantity of data. My TC 3TB drive is now down to 1.2TB remaining 
 which is still plenty, but has copped 455GB it didn’t need to and reduced 
 my balance unnecessarily. 
 
 Any clues why this would happen and how can I undo this other than blowing 
 away the whole backup file and redoing a full new backup?
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

TimeTracker  0.6.2  - 04 Dec 2018

Version 0.6.2 released Dec 04, 2018

Version :
Add workaround for Mojave issue resulting in permissions errors when accessing 
the Time Machine preferences
Remove some erroneous captions on the toolbar buttons
Now notarized by Apple for Mojave

>

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS High Sierra 10.13.6


> On 10 Feb 2019, at 12:24 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni, thanks for asking this one and sorry I wasn’t a little clearer. The 
> two Photos libraries are on a 1TB external drive attached to the MBP USB 
> port. The two libraries are the only two files on the external drive 
> (formatted OSX Extend Journaled). The TM Options panel is set to include the 
> external drive in the backup of Jo’s MBP.
> 
> The Time Machine Backup of Jo’s MBP is located on the Time Capsule (with 3TB 
> internal drive) - so not sharing location with the Photos library. 
> 
> For many years this has worked faultlessly with the single library on the 
> external drive, all I have done is created a new Photos library alongside the 
> existing Jo’s Photos library.
> 
> It’s a puzzle. I do remember many years ago you let the group know of an app 
> or program that allowed one to look into the contents of previous backups. If 
> you’re able to remind me of this program, I can look into it directly and 
> find out what the contents of that back up last night were.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 10 Feb 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello Peter,
>> 
>> I’m not sure if I understand your Time Machine Backup of these two Photos 
>> Library’s?
>> 
>> WARNING: If a Photos library is located on an external drive, don’t use Time 
>> Machine to store a backup on that external drive. 
>> The permissions for your Photos library may conflict with those for the Time 
>> Machine backup.
>> 
>> >  
>> >
>> 
>> > >
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
>> 
>>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 10:47 am, Peter Crisp >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI, during Saturday i was consolidating the photos back up for my mother in 
>>> law (she has no computer) using my wife’s MacBook Pro. My wife has her 
>>> Photos library on an exclusive Photos only external 1TB drive. So I created 
>>> a second library “Carol” on the external drive to import photos for my 
>>> mother in law alongside the existing System library (420GB) for Jo. This 
>>> import all went very successfully but the next time a TM backup came 
>>> around, as expected it recognised the new library (~4GB) but the backup was 
>>> ~460GB in size. Given that the original library was unchanged and nothing 
>>> in particular was changed on the main SSD, why would TM decide the entire 
>>> external drive plus other material it seems, needed backing up again. I 
>>> connected it to the Ethernet to speed this process which finished during 
>>> the night but I am puzzled why TM decided to apparently update such a large 
>>> quantity of data. My TC 3TB drive is now down to 1.2TB remaining which is 
>>> still plenty, but has copped 455GB it didn’t need to and reduced my balance 
>>> unnecessarily. 
>>> 
>>> Any clues why this would happen and how can I undo this other than blowing 
>>> away the whole backup file and redoing a full new backup?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete
>> 
>> 
>> 


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Re: Time Machine Backup size

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, thanks for asking this one and sorry I wasn’t a little clearer. The 
two Photos libraries are on a 1TB external drive attached to the MBP USB port. 
The two libraries are the only two files on the external drive (formatted OSX 
Extend Journaled). The TM Options panel is set to include the external drive in 
the backup of Jo’s MBP.

The Time Machine Backup of Jo’s MBP is located on the Time Capsule (with 3TB 
internal drive) - so not sharing location with the Photos library. 

For many years this has worked faultlessly with the single library on the 
external drive, all I have done is created a new Photos library alongside the 
existing Jo’s Photos library.

It’s a puzzle. I do remember many years ago you let the group know of an app or 
program that allowed one to look into the contents of previous backups. If 
you’re able to remind me of this program, I can look into it directly and find 
out what the contents of that back up last night were.

Regards


Pete

> On 10 Feb 2019, at 11:43 am, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hello Peter,
> 
> I’m not sure if I understand your Time Machine Backup of these two Photos 
> Library’s?
> 
> WARNING: If a Photos library is located on an external drive, don’t use Time 
> Machine to store a backup on that external drive. 
> The permissions for your Photos library may conflict with those for the Time 
> Machine backup.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS High Sierra 10.13.6
> 
>> On 10 Feb 2019, at 10:47 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> HI, during Saturday i was consolidating the photos back up for my mother in 
>> law (she has no computer) using my wife’s MacBook Pro. My wife has her 
>> Photos library on an exclusive Photos only external 1TB drive. So I created 
>> a second library “Carol” on the external drive to import photos for my 
>> mother in law alongside the existing System library (420GB) for Jo. This 
>> import all went very successfully but the next time a TM backup came around, 
>> as expected it recognised the new library (~4GB) but the backup was ~460GB 
>> in size. Given that the original library was unchanged and nothing in 
>> particular was changed on the main SSD, why would TM decide the entire 
>> external drive plus other material it seems, needed backing up again. I 
>> connected it to the Ethernet to speed this process which finished during the 
>> night but I am puzzled why TM decided to apparently update such a large 
>> quantity of data. My TC 3TB drive is now down to 1.2TB remaining which is 
>> still plenty, but has copped 455GB it didn’t need to and reduced my balance 
>> unnecessarily. 
>> 
>> Any clues why this would happen and how can I undo this other than blowing 
>> away the whole backup file and redoing a full new backup?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
> 
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[Ronni Brown]

Hello Peter,

I’m not sure if I understand your Time Machine Backup of these two Photos 
Library’s?

WARNING: If a Photos library is located on an external drive, don’t use Time 
Machine to store a backup on that external drive. 
The permissions for your Photos library may conflict with those for the Time 
Machine backup.

>

>

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS High Sierra 10.13.6

> On 10 Feb 2019, at 10:47 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> HI, during Saturday i was consolidating the photos back up for my mother in 
> law (she has no computer) using my wife’s MacBook Pro. My wife has her Photos 
> library on an exclusive Photos only external 1TB drive. So I created a second 
> library “Carol” on the external drive to import photos for my mother in law 
> alongside the existing System library (420GB) for Jo. This import all went 
> very successfully but the next time a TM backup came around, as expected it 
> recognised the new library (~4GB) but the backup was ~460GB in size. Given 
> that the original library was unchanged and nothing in particular was changed 
> on the main SSD, why would TM decide the entire external drive plus other 
> material it seems, needed backing up again. I connected it to the Ethernet to 
> speed this process which finished during the night but I am puzzled why TM 
> decided to apparently update such a large quantity of data. My TC 3TB drive 
> is now down to 1.2TB remaining which is still plenty, but has copped 455GB it 
> didn’t need to and reduced my balance unnecessarily. 
> 
> Any clues why this would happen and how can I undo this other than blowing 
> away the whole backup file and redoing a full new backup?
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete


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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Peter, thanks for that tip. As it happens, through the night, the TM backup 
was intelligent enough to figure out that it was actually backing up data 
already present and so no duplication and it successfully concluded. Not sure 
why it went into this position of not recognising the old backup file at least 
initially. 

All sorted now.

Regards


Pete

> On 30 Nov 2017, at 7:48 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 Nov 2017, at 9:43 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, my sons treats his Macbook in such a way that he usually walks off from 
>> it mid Time Machine backup and then closes the lid which interrupts the back 
>> up. His bedroom is also in a poor wifi spot (which I am separately 
>> resolving) which makes any backup exceedingly slow. I checked his MBP the 
>> other day and it said last backup was a month ago - obviously a time where 
>> he had it open for a period of time which allowed the backup to complete. 
>> 
>> The other night he was copying some content (all five days recorded of the 
>> first test match!!!) from another connected USB drive (via his MBP to his 
>> external drive). At the time of this transfer, the Time Machine woke and 
>> started it’s backup - and the size of the backup was enormous (~100GB). We 
>> selected “Skip this Backup” and then turned off TM. After the Test Match 
>> transfer was completed, we turned ON the Time Machine again and thought 
>> nothing more of it, leaving it to its own devices to pick up the next backup.
>> 
>> It wouldn’t backup at all and a couple of days went by still saying the last 
>> back up was some time prior to the test match file transfer. Tonight I 
>> shutdown his MBP, reset the full network and then restarted the MBP. It took 
>> an age saying “Waiting for first backup” and then Preparing Backup as 
>> expected, then after I had to go out and came back, it said backing up 
>> 540GB!!! The same as the full sized backup of what it was prior. The Test 
>> Match files are in an Excluded folder on the external drive so do not form a 
>> part of this 540GB backup. I can see the backup file is ‘in use’ by looking 
>> from  another network connected MBP at the file. I have let it go for now 
>> but half of me says intervene, blow away the old backup band start again so 
>> he doesn’t end up with a backup files twice the size it needs to be.
>> 
>> It will take a full 24 hours to get through this 540GB Backup but I am not 
>> sure if the resultant backup file will in fact be 1080GB in size, 
>> fortunately the backup disc is a 2TB size so has the space. 
>> 
>> Should I intervene, blow away and start again or let it finish?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
> 
> Do you have a copy of Carbon Copy Cloner or similar? You can always download 
> a 30-day trial copy of CCC (https://bombich.com) for a one-off job. My first 
> step would be to make a clone of the hard drive onto a clean backup disk, 
> just as insurance. 
> 
> My second step would be to cut my losses and simply re-format the Timeout 
> Disk and start again. After all, it IS only backup data you’re losing. 
> 
> The reason for the insurance in the first step is to allow for the possible 
> intervention of Murphy’s Law, which says your Macbook’s own hard drive will 
> die halfway though, and you’ll be left with nothing. 
> 
> With a clean Timeout Disk, start the ball rolling again. It may some time for 
> all this - first for the clone and again for the first Timeout backup, but it 
> should set everything back to normal. As far as preventing your son from 
> closing the lid at the wrong time - I dunno. Self-disciplne or superglue...
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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> On 29 Nov 2017, at 9:43 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi, my sons treats his Macbook in such a way that he usually walks off from 
> it mid Time Machine backup and then closes the lid which interrupts the back 
> up. His bedroom is also in a poor wifi spot (which I am separately resolving) 
> which makes any backup exceedingly slow. I checked his MBP the other day and 
> it said last backup was a month ago - obviously a time where he had it open 
> for a period of time which allowed the backup to complete. 
> 
> The other night he was copying some content (all five days recorded of the 
> first test match!!!) from another connected USB drive (via his MBP to his 
> external drive). At the time of this transfer, the Time Machine woke and 
> started it’s backup - and the size of the backup was enormous (~100GB). We 
> selected “Skip this Backup” and then turned off TM. After the Test Match 
> transfer was completed, we turned ON the Time Machine again and thought 
> nothing more of it, leaving it to its own devices to pick up the next backup.
> 
> It wouldn’t backup at all and a couple of days went by still saying the last 
> back up was some time prior to the test match file transfer. Tonight I 
> shutdown his MBP, reset the full network and then restarted the MBP. It took 
> an age saying “Waiting for first backup” and then Preparing Backup as 
> expected, then after I had to go out and came back, it said backing up 
> 540GB!!! The same as the full sized backup of what it was prior. The Test 
> Match files are in an Excluded folder on the external drive so do not form a 
> part of this 540GB backup. I can see the backup file is ‘in use’ by looking 
> from  another network connected MBP at the file. I have let it go for now but 
> half of me says intervene, blow away the old backup band start again so he 
> doesn’t end up with a backup files twice the size it needs to be.
> 
> It will take a full 24 hours to get through this 540GB Backup but I am not 
> sure if the resultant backup file will in fact be 1080GB in size, fortunately 
> the backup disc is a 2TB size so has the space. 
> 
> Should I intervene, blow away and start again or let it finish?
> 
> Regards
> 
> 

Do you have a copy of Carbon Copy Cloner or similar? You can always download a 
30-day trial copy of CCC (https://bombich.com) for a one-off job. My first step 
would be to make a clone of the hard drive onto a clean backup disk, just as 
insurance. 

My second step would be to cut my losses and simply re-format the Timeout Disk 
and start again. After all, it IS only backup data you’re losing. 

The reason for the insurance in the first step is to allow for the possible 
intervention of Murphy’s Law, which says your Macbook’s own hard drive will die 
halfway though, and you’ll be left with nothing. 

With a clean Timeout Disk, start the ball rolling again. It may some time for 
all this - first for the clone and again for the first Timeout backup, but it 
should set everything back to normal. As far as preventing your son from 
closing the lid at the wrong time - I dunno. Self-disciplne or superglue...

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Re: Time Machine Backup following HDD to SSD upgrade

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

My suggestion is to trash the old sparse bundle and start fresh Time Machine 
backups on the SSD.

Why I make this suggestion is because - what will happen is that TM will 
continue your old backup sequence but it will do a complete new backup of your 
new drive instead of the usual incremental one the first time it backs up. 
So if you want to save space you may want to delete the sparse bundle with the 
old backups from the TC and start a new backup sequence altogether.

Just remove the sparse bundle manually in the Finder by going to the Time 
Capsule Data folder and deleting it.
That is: Delete it via finder and empty the trash.

Be prepared that the first backup is going to take a very long time, so do it 
when you aren't going to use the computer, probably overnight.
Make sure all applications are Quit (not closed) and disconnect anything 
connected to the Mac.

Cheers,
Ronni

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> On 13 May 2017, at 11:03 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> My son James has upgraded his MBP internal HDD to a SSD this morning. The TM 
> backup had completed succesfully yesterday prior to the drive change and the 
> Backup was then turned off in TM. We used CCC to make a clone of his HDD onto 
> the SSD including the Recovery partition. This concluded succefully. Then set 
> about the HDD change out to the SSD and RAM upgrade to 8MB. All of this went 
> without a hitch, no problems. Started up on the new SSD and it was as 
> expected light years faster than it was previously. We obviously have the 
> removed HDD also as a backup for future data retrieval if the need arises.
> 
> My question comes about now the continuity of his TM backup. We've turned TM 
> back ON and directed it to the same backup location as previously and it 
> seems to be in a holding pattern. Pressing the clock on the top menu shows in 
> faded font "Waiting to complete First Backup" and the TM window says Latest 
> Backup: None, First Backup: None. My inclination is to leave it to it's own 
> devices - it is connected with Ethernet as the expected first backup may be a 
> full backup again. But I am unsure if it will continue on the previous backup 
> Sparsebundle file or create a new one for James SSD alongside the James HDD 
> Sparsebundle. Also, I may have to delete the old Sparesebundle and have it 
> start over again as though a new machine. This wouldn't be catastrophic as I 
> say we have the retrieved HDD as fallback should it go bad before backup back 
> in order.
> 
> He is VERY happy with the speed of his MBP now - it is as quick as my Retina 
> now.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
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Re: Time machine - backup failed - disk too small

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Gary,

Something for you to check out.

Do you have more than one user account on the machine?


>From memory, the get info only shows the size of the folders you can ³see² -
so for other user folders (with the red no entry sign on the folder icon) it
does not show you the size of their user folders (except for their generally
accessible ³public² and ³sites² folders) so that the size it shows for
³users² can be much smaller than the true size if there are other large user
folders in there.

Whatsize seems to offer a way round this called 'Measure as Administrator' ­
from their webpage 
> WhatSize does not have permission to measure files and folders owned by other
> users of the machine. You need to 'Measure as Administrator'. Contact Us if
> you want to replace the Mac App Store version.


Since you are using SL, the last version of Whatsize that was SL compatable
was 5.3.2 - out of interest I downloaded this and the 'Measure as
Administrator' function IS in this version - but cannot be activated as a
trial user - you need to have bought the license.

HTH



Cheers



Neil
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on 9/4/15 10:01, garydorn at gd...@me.com wrote:

> Howdy WAMUG
> RE Time Machine
> Mac OS 10.6.8
> 
> we noticed that Time machine on a iMac has not backup up since about june
> 2014! to a WD Mybooklive 500 GB over ethernet.
> 
> initially it says disk not available
> 
> I ran disk utility which corrected a harddisk corruption
> 
> I ran Time machine again - error-  "This backup is too large for the backup
> disk. The backup requires 747.42 GB but only 331.21 GB are available"
> 
> In Finder I checked out was was so large.
> 
> Users  184GB
> Applications 13.16 GB
> System Info 5.11 GB
> Library 11.59 GB
> Developer 3.03 GB
> resources 0KB
> lost + found 17.8 MB
> users guide and information 181 MB
> 
> total about say 217 GB
> 
> If the backup says there is 747 GB and Finder say 217 GB  - what this extra
> 531 GB?
> 
> as an experiment I excluded all other these folders in Time Machine options
> and it left 397 GB to backup!
> 
> WhatSize  does not reveal where this all is.
> 
> Please, Can anybody shed a light on this overly large backup?
> 
> 
> 
> garydorn
> gd...@me.com
> north perth
> 


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Re: Time Machine Backup Verification Fail

[Alan Smith]

Hello Ronni

Thanks for your response.  You have given me some things to check over the next 
few days.  My responses within the text below.  Here are some additional 
comments.

After today’s TM auto verification test/failure I eventually chose the “start 
new backup” option.  Now I don’t have the damaged sparsebundle to attempt 
repairs.  A new backup was created with subsequent hourly updates, so all seems 
to be OK.  I may manually verify the backup tomorrow and next week to 
stress-test the system.

Part way through writing the TM backup the iMac crashed (TM was the only active 
app) and automatically restarted.  Got message “Your computer was restarted due 
to a problem”.  The report referred to "panic cpu1 . . .”.This MAY be 
totally unrelated to the TM issue.   TM had been running for about 20 mins 
(indexing?) and then say 30 minutes writing data before crashing.  TM 
automatically resumed and completed the backup when restarted.   I was using an 
iPad (WiFi) at the time so there may be a hidden network wireless problem.

On 7 Apr 2015, at 5:31 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:

> Hello Alan,
> 
>> On 7 Apr 2015, at 3:10 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:
>> 
>> Time Machine backup verification failed - again.  
> If you manually run 'Verify Backups' again after receiving the failed error 
> message - does it complete satisfactory?
…. Generally I never do a manual verification. My comment was to inform wamug 
that I had earlier experienced another auto verification failure but I didn’t 
pursue it at the time.   I hadn’t considered re-running verification manually 
after a failure - I can try it next time and see what happens.
> 
>> Any suggestions for cause and cure?
> Possible Network problems:, especially interference.  Use iStumbler app to 
> examine the strength of your connection. 
> Power problems: Power spikes or dips can cause all sorts of trouble, 
> including directory problems on your backups.
> Names: the names of some things may be a problem - Base station name & 
> Wireless Network name should avoid punctuation and special characters
….. Will check these.
> 
> Have you tried 'Repairing the sparsebundle'?
> If you need instructions how to -  I could email you offlist my tutorial 
> 'repair time machine "sparsebundle" backup on Time Capsule’
…. Thanks for your offer. TM data for this iMac is not very important and is 
not large in size.  I feel that a ‘brand new’ TM file would be quicker to 
create and be better trusted.
>> 
>> Time Capsule is set up for Time Machine backups from two iMacs.  Backup 
>> verification failed on late 2009 iMac on 23 March necessitating deletion of 
>> TM history and creation of a new backup.  
> Did you receive the message - "Time Machine completed a verification of your 
> backups on "xTime Capsule". To improve reliability, Time Machine must 
> create a new backup for you”?
…. Yes, received this message.  I let TM erase the faulty sparsebundle and 
write a new backup. 
> 
> If you receive the above message it means TM has found some corruption. Time 
> Machine locks the sparse bundle containing your network backups, and marks it 
> as damaged.
> 
>> Verification failed again today (7 April)!   Apple Support states that 
>> “scheduled verification happens automatically”.   What is default period for 
>> automatic scheduled verification?  Can this be edited by user?
> 
> It's usually run automatically, once a month. 
> You can run it manually, by holding the Alt/Option key while selecting the 
> Time Machine icon in your Menubar and selecting Verify Backups.
…. So my 2-week interval may not be standard?  Or it may be weekly, and it 
“passed” last week!
>> 
>> I initiated a user backup verification on the second iMac (late 2012) and it 
>> passed the test OK.  (Relief!)
>> 
>> Had no Apple messages re availability of Time Capsule firmware updates.  Now 
>> operating as version 7.6.4.
>   7.6.4 is the current Firmware version
> 
>>  Older installed archive versions available are 7.6.3 and 7.6.1.
>> 
>> TC network connection is WiFi for 2009 iMac and Ethernet for 2012 iMac.   
>> Ethernet failed on 2009 iMac in Dec 2012, and has been operating on WiFi 
>> ever since.
> 
> I would keep an eye on your Wi-Fi Network connection and perhaps not have 
> Internet activity on when TM is doing a Wi-Fi backup of the 2009 iMac.
…. Yes, I may have to re-locate the iMac.  I can test for a possible improved 
signal quality by using my (spare) Airport Express as a WiFi extender.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Intel Quad-Core i7 
> 2.3GHz / 16GB / 1TB 840 EVO SSD
> 
> OS X Yosemite 10.10.2

Cheers
Alan
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Alan
>> 
>> Alan Smith
>>  Late 2012 iMac 27" Intel Quad Core i5  Fusion 3.2GHz 8G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 
>> Mavericks
>>  Late 2009 iMac 21.5" Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 12G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 Mavericks
>>  iPhone5;  iPad2;  ATV2
> 
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Re: Time Machine Backup Verification Fail

[Ronni Brown]

Hello Alan,

> On 7 Apr 2015, at 3:10 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
> Time Machine backup verification failed - again.  
If you manually run 'Verify Backups' again after receiving the failed error 
message - does it complete satisfactory?

> Any suggestions for cause and cure?
Possible Network problems:, especially interference.  Use iStumbler app to 
examine the strength of your connection. 
Power problems: Power spikes or dips can cause all sorts of trouble, including 
directory problems on your backups.
Names: the names of some things may be a problem - Base station name & Wireless 
Network name should avoid punctuation and special characters

Have you tried 'Repairing the sparsebundle'?
If you need instructions how to -  I could email you offlist my tutorial 
'repair time machine "sparsebundle" backup on Time Capsule'
> 
> Time Capsule is set up for Time Machine backups from two iMacs.  Backup 
> verification failed on late 2009 iMac on 23 March necessitating deletion of 
> TM history and creation of a new backup.  
Did you receive the message - "Time Machine completed a verification of your 
backups on "xTime Capsule". To improve reliability, Time Machine must 
create a new backup for you"?

If you receive the above message it means TM has found some corruption. Time 
Machine locks the sparse bundle containing your network backups, and marks it 
as damaged.

> Verification failed again today (7 April)!   Apple Support states that 
> “scheduled verification happens automatically”.   What is default period for 
> automatic scheduled verification?  Can this be edited by user?

It's usually run automatically, once a month. 
You can run it manually, by holding the Alt/Option key while selecting the Time 
Machine icon in your Menubar and selecting Verify Backups.
> 
> I initiated a user backup verification on the second iMac (late 2012) and it 
> passed the test OK.  (Relief!)
> 
> Had no Apple messages re availability of Time Capsule firmware updates.  Now 
> operating as version 7.6.4.
  7.6.4 is the current Firmware version

>  Older installed archive versions available are 7.6.3 and 7.6.1.
> 
> TC network connection is WiFi for 2009 iMac and Ethernet for 2012 iMac.   
> Ethernet failed on 2009 iMac in Dec 2012, and has been operating on WiFi ever 
> since.

I would keep an eye on your Wi-Fi Network connection and perhaps not have 
Internet activity on when TM is doing a Wi-Fi backup of the 2009 iMac.

Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Intel Quad-Core i7 
2.3GHz / 16GB / 1TB 840 EVO SSD

OS X Yosemite 10.10.2
> 
> Regards, 
> Alan
> 
> Alan Smith
>  Late 2012 iMac 27" Intel Quad Core i5  Fusion 3.2GHz 8G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 
> Mavericks
>  Late 2009 iMac 21.5" Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 12G RAM - OSX 10.9.5 Mavericks
>  iPhone5;  iPad2;  ATV2


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Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, all is preserved now. I had become so preoccupied thinking it was a 
problem at the Macbook end when all along, for a reason I don't know, the 
printer had lost its connection to the wifi network. I went through the process 
of reattaching, and now it's all good again. 

The Macbook in concern was in fact attached to the 5GHz network with all the 
data presented as you indicated below.

Thanks for help in assisting once again Ronni.

Regards


Pete

> On 23 Feb 2015, at 7:57 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> The Time Capsule Network should already be working as a Dual-Band Wi-Fi 
> Network.
> On your computers that are connected to the Airport Network.
> Option-Click on the Wi-Fi symbol in the Menu Bar 
> You will then see all information of the connection and which band it is using
> Including- IP address 10.0.1.x - Router Address 10.0.1.1, - Security: WPA2 
> Personal, 
> Channel 149 (5 GHz, 40 MHz) or Channel ..? (2.4 GHz, 20 Mhz)
> and much more detail of the connection.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
>> On 23 Feb 2015, at 5:03 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, sorry been pretty busy today. I sorted out the Linksys so no longer an 
>> issue there. Will investigate the dual band thing on the TC. It was so long 
>> ago that you helped me with this Ronni that I can't recall. Tonight I'll 
>> have a look see. Though the other Macbooks in the house still continue to 
>> print quite alright. I am unsure if the Epson printer TX710W is a 2.5GHz 
>> device or 5GHz. 
>> 
>> Will have a look into the TC config then.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 6:50 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> My comments in Situ below.
>>> 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:40 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni, the two wireless networks are simply that my modem has its own 
 wireless network (my Linksys modem) and the one network I have from my TC. 
 It is set up as a 5GHz network. 
>>> 
>>> You need to setup the Time Capsule Network as Dual-Band Wi-Fi 2.5GHz /5GHz
>>> Then 2.5GHz devices will automatically connect to the 2.5GHz band and 
>>> computers & devices that use 5GHz band will automatically connect to the 
>>> 5GHz mode of the Airport Network.
 
 I simply haven't got around to changing the settings on the Linksys to 
 disable the wifi network. As I periodically do a reboot of the entire 
 network, the Linksys resets and as the devices in the house go looking for 
 networks, if the linksys boots up before the TC, then even if the network 
 priority is set as "TC network" first, if it isn't yet established the 
 units will connect to the Linksys first. So I will figure out how to get 
 into the Linksys and disable Wifi.
>>> 
>>> Disable wireless on Linksys should be similar to this:
>>> STEP 1
>>> 
>>> Open a Web browser.
>>> 
>>> STEP 2
>>> 
>>> Navigate to the IP address of your router. The default address for Linksys 
>>> routers is 192.168.1.1. Enter your router admin name and password.
>>> 
>>> STEP 3
>>> 
>>> Click on "Wireless."
>>> 
>>> STEP 4
>>> 
>>> Open the "Wireless Network Mode" drop-down menu and select "Disabled."
>>> 
>>> STEP 5
>>> 
>>> Click "Save settings."
>>> 
>>> 
 Still leaves me with my sons backup relationship between his Macbook and 
 Sparesebundle being broken. Can i re-establish that relationship or must I 
 delete the sparesebundle and rebuild from scratch?
>>> 
>>> You need to sort out the Airport Time Capsule Dual- Band Network first.
>>> Then setup the Time Machine backup 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
> On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:17 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
>> A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
>> wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". 
> 
> Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 
> 
> I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a 
> Single - Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, 
> that uses both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...
> 
> What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's 
> MacBook?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>   
>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to 
>> the sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
>> 
>> Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at 
>> all on the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not 
>> surprisingly for a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came 
>> to the end of the backup.
>> 
>> A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
>> wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". I've 

Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

The Time Capsule Network should already be working as a Dual-Band Wi-Fi Network.
On your computers that are connected to the Airport Network.
Option-Click on the Wi-Fi symbol in the Menu Bar 
You will then see all information of the connection and which band it is using
Including- IP address 10.0.1.x - Router Address 10.0.1.1, - Security: WPA2 
Personal, 
Channel 149 (5 GHz, 40 MHz) or Channel ..? (2.4 GHz, 20 Mhz)
and much more detail of the connection.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4

> On 23 Feb 2015, at 5:03 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Ok, sorry been pretty busy today. I sorted out the Linksys so no longer an 
> issue there. Will investigate the dual band thing on the TC. It was so long 
> ago that you helped me with this Ronni that I can't recall. Tonight I'll have 
> a look see. Though the other Macbooks in the house still continue to print 
> quite alright. I am unsure if the Epson printer TX710W is a 2.5GHz device or 
> 5GHz. 
> 
> Will have a look into the TC config then.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 6:50 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> My comments in Situ below.
>> 
>>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:40 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni, the two wireless networks are simply that my modem has its own 
>>> wireless network (my Linksys modem) and the one network I have from my TC. 
>>> It is set up as a 5GHz network. 
>> 
>> You need to setup the Time Capsule Network as Dual-Band Wi-Fi 2.5GHz /5GHz
>> Then 2.5GHz devices will automatically connect to the 2.5GHz band and 
>> computers & devices that use 5GHz band will automatically connect to the 
>> 5GHz mode of the Airport Network.
>>> 
>>> I simply haven't got around to changing the settings on the Linksys to 
>>> disable the wifi network. As I periodically do a reboot of the entire 
>>> network, the Linksys resets and as the devices in the house go looking for 
>>> networks, if the linksys boots up before the TC, then even if the network 
>>> priority is set as "TC network" first, if it isn't yet established the 
>>> units will connect to the Linksys first. So I will figure out how to get 
>>> into the Linksys and disable Wifi.
>> 
>> Disable wireless on Linksys should be similar to this:
>> STEP 1
>> 
>> Open a Web browser.
>> 
>> STEP 2
>> 
>> Navigate to the IP address of your router. The default address for Linksys 
>> routers is 192.168.1.1. Enter your router admin name and password.
>> 
>> STEP 3
>> 
>> Click on "Wireless."
>> 
>> STEP 4
>> 
>> Open the "Wireless Network Mode" drop-down menu and select "Disabled."
>> 
>> STEP 5
>> 
>> Click "Save settings."
>> 
>> 
>>> Still leaves me with my sons backup relationship between his Macbook and 
>>> Sparesebundle being broken. Can i re-establish that relationship or must I 
>>> delete the sparesebundle and rebuild from scratch?
>> 
>> You need to sort out the Airport Time Capsule Dual- Band Network first.
>> Then setup the Time Machine backup 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:17 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
> A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
> wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". 
 
 Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 
 
 I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a 
 Single - Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, 
 that uses both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...
 
 What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's 
 MacBook?
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
   
> On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp  
> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
> sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
> 
> Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all 
> on the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not 
> surprisingly for a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to 
> the end of the backup.
> 
> A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
> wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". I've reset his network 
> priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not 
> the Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do 
> backups which it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?
> 
> So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from 
> scratch (another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use 
> the sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer 
> name and say "use this one please"!
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
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Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, sorry been pretty busy today. I sorted out the Linksys so no longer an 
issue there. Will investigate the dual band thing on the TC. It was so long ago 
that you helped me with this Ronni that I can't recall. Tonight I'll have a 
look see. Though the other Macbooks in the house still continue to print quite 
alright. I am unsure if the Epson printer TX710W is a 2.5GHz device or 5GHz. 

Will have a look into the TC config then.

Regards


Pete

> On 22 Feb 2015, at 6:50 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> My comments in Situ below.
> 
>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:40 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni, the two wireless networks are simply that my modem has its own 
>> wireless network (my Linksys modem) and the one network I have from my TC. 
>> It is set up as a 5GHz network. 
> 
> You need to setup the Time Capsule Network as Dual-Band Wi-Fi 2.5GHz /5GHz
> Then 2.5GHz devices will automatically connect to the 2.5GHz band and 
> computers & devices that use 5GHz band will automatically connect to the 5GHz 
> mode of the Airport Network.
>> 
>> I simply haven't got around to changing the settings on the Linksys to 
>> disable the wifi network. As I periodically do a reboot of the entire 
>> network, the Linksys resets and as the devices in the house go looking for 
>> networks, if the linksys boots up before the TC, then even if the network 
>> priority is set as "TC network" first, if it isn't yet established the units 
>> will connect to the Linksys first. So I will figure out how to get into the 
>> Linksys and disable Wifi.
> 
> Disable wireless on Linksys should be similar to this:
> STEP 1
> 
> Open a Web browser.
> 
> STEP 2
> 
> Navigate to the IP address of your router. The default address for Linksys 
> routers is 192.168.1.1. Enter your router admin name and password.
> 
> STEP 3
> 
> Click on "Wireless."
> 
> STEP 4
> 
> Open the "Wireless Network Mode" drop-down menu and select "Disabled."
> 
> STEP 5
> 
> Click "Save settings."
> 
> 
>> Still leaves me with my sons backup relationship between his Macbook and 
>> Sparesebundle being broken. Can i re-establish that relationship or must I 
>> delete the sparesebundle and rebuild from scratch?
> 
> You need to sort out the Airport Time Capsule Dual- Band Network first.
> Then setup the Time Machine backup 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:17 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". 
>>> 
>>> Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 
>>> 
>>> I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a 
>>> Single - Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, that 
>>> uses both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...
>>> 
>>> What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's 
>>> MacBook?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>>   
 On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
 
 Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
 sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
 
 Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all 
 on the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not 
 surprisingly for a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to 
 the end of the backup.
 
 A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
 wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". I've reset his network 
 priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not the 
 Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do backups 
 which it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?
 
 So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from 
 scratch (another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use 
 the sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer name 
 and say "use this one please"!
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
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Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

My comments in Situ below.

> On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:40 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni, the two wireless networks are simply that my modem has its own 
> wireless network (my Linksys modem) and the one network I have from my TC. It 
> is set up as a 5GHz network. 

You need to setup the Time Capsule Network as Dual-Band Wi-Fi 2.5GHz /5GHz
Then 2.5GHz devices will automatically connect to the 2.5GHz band and computers 
& devices that use 5GHz band will automatically connect to the 5GHz mode of the 
Airport Network.
> 
> I simply haven't got around to changing the settings on the Linksys to 
> disable the wifi network. As I periodically do a reboot of the entire 
> network, the Linksys resets and as the devices in the house go looking for 
> networks, if the linksys boots up before the TC, then even if the network 
> priority is set as "TC network" first, if it isn't yet established the units 
> will connect to the Linksys first. So I will figure out how to get into the 
> Linksys and disable Wifi.

Disable wireless on Linksys should be similar to this:
STEP 1

Open a Web browser.

STEP 2

Navigate to the IP address of your router. The default address for Linksys 
routers is 192.168.1.1. Enter your router admin name and password.

STEP 3

Click on "Wireless."

STEP 4

Open the "Wireless Network Mode" drop-down menu and select "Disabled."

STEP 5

Click "Save settings."


> Still leaves me with my sons backup relationship between his Macbook and 
> Sparesebundle being broken. Can i re-establish that relationship or must I 
> delete the sparesebundle and rebuild from scratch?

You need to sort out the Airport Time Capsule Dual- Band Network first.
Then setup the Time Machine backup 

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4

> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:17 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>>> A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
>>> wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". 
>> 
>> Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 
>> 
>> I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a 
>> Single - Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, that 
>> uses both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...
>> 
>> What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's 
>> MacBook?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>>   
>>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
>>> sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
>>> 
>>> Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all 
>>> on the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not 
>>> surprisingly for a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to 
>>> the end of the backup.
>>> 
>>> A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
>>> wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". I've reset his network 
>>> priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not the 
>>> Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do backups 
>>> which it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?
>>> 
>>> So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from 
>>> scratch (another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use the 
>>> sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer name and 
>>> say "use this one please"!
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete
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Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Peter Crisp]

The message I'm getting from Tim's machine is from the Backup drop down saying 
- "Waiting for first backup to finish". The sparesebundle is clearly there 
~250GB and it did finish previously.

Regards


Pete

> On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:17 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
>> A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
>> wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". 
> 
> Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 
> 
> I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a 
> Single - Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, that 
> uses both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...
> 
> What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's MacBook?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>   
>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
>> sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
>> 
>> Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all on 
>> the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not surprisingly 
>> for a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to the end of the 
>> backup.
>> 
>> A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
>> wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". I've reset his network 
>> priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not the 
>> Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do backups 
>> which it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?
>> 
>> So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from 
>> scratch (another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use the 
>> sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer name and 
>> say "use this one please"!
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
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Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Ronni, the two wireless networks are simply that my modem has its own 
wireless network (my Linksys modem) and the one network I have from my TC. It 
is set up as a 5GHz network. 

I simply haven't got around to changing the settings on the Linksys to disable 
the wifi network. As I periodically do a reboot of the entire network, the 
Linksys resets and as the devices in the house go looking for networks, if the 
linksys boots up before the TC, then even if the network priority is set as "TC 
network" first, if it isn't yet established the units will connect to the 
Linksys first. So I will figure out how to get into the Linksys and disable 
Wifi.

Still leaves me with my sons backup relationship between his Macbook and 
Sparesebundle being broken. Can i re-establish that relationship or must I 
delete the sparesebundle and rebuild from scratch?

Regards


Pete

> On 22 Feb 2015, at 4:17 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
>> A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
>> wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". 
> 
> Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 
> 
> I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a 
> Single - Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, that 
> uses both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...
> 
> What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's MacBook?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>   
>> On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
>> sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
>> 
>> Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all on 
>> the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not surprisingly 
>> for a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to the end of the 
>> backup.
>> 
>> A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
>> wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". I've reset his network 
>> priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not the 
>> Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do backups 
>> which it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?
>> 
>> So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from 
>> scratch (another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use the 
>> sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer name and 
>> say "use this one please"!
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
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Re: Time Machine Backup file connection

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

> A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
> wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". 

Why do you have TWO Wireless Networks? 

I remember helping you ages ago and sending you details how to 'Setup a Single 
- Simultaneous Dual-Band 802.11n Wi-Fi Network on Time Capsule, that uses both 
the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands simultaneously...

What Time Machine backup error message has been showing on your Son's MacBook?

Cheers,
Ronni
  
> On 22 Feb 2015, at 10:11 am, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Good morning, my sons Macbook seems to constantly loose connection to the 
> sparsebundle file previously created and backed up from his Macbook. 
> 
> Just yesterday morning I realised, there was no sparesebundle file at all on 
> the TC so set about doing a full backup. It took 8 hours not surprisingly for 
> a 260GB backup. No problem it backed up fine and came to the end of the 
> backup.
> 
> A perhaps contributing factor is the fact that my modem also has its own 
> wireless network which it setsup called "linksys". I've reset his network 
> priority now so that it connects to the 5GHz WiFi from the TC (and not the 
> Linksys). But is it this connection and subsequent attempts to do backups 
> which it would be unable to connect to which has broken the link?
> 
> So, do I blow away the old sparesebundle and re do a full backup from scratch 
> (another 8 hours) or is there a way to point the Macbook to use the 
> sparsebundle file that is there with name reflecting his computer name and 
> say "use this one please"!
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete

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Re: Time Machine Backup Fails

[Alan Smith]

Update - system has “come good”.The latest attempt of the initial Time 
Machine backup worked!   (Just finished!)   

Reading the fine print of the previous Apple crash reports showed the cause was 
kernel panic, with different possible triggers.  I had spent the morning 
perusing the Apple Support docs for kernel panic, OS X recovery and creating a 
copy of OS X on an external USB drive.  First task was to ensure I had a clean 
desk and create another SuperDuper bootable backup.  

Apple recommended closing all apps while tracing the source of kernel panic 
(suggesting the fault may lie with third party apps).  I kept Console and 
Preview open but forgot about Growl and Dropbox and possible other hidden apps. 
  I may have had Safari launched during previous attempts at Time Machine 
backup.

Well, I cried “wolf”, but I really think the beast must still be lurking there 
somewhere.  I will now clean up some of the odd things logged by Console, 
including iMovie, Microsoft Office, and Citrix GoToMeeting apps.

Cheers
Alan



On 10 Dec 2014, at 3:47 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:

> Hello Wamug people
> 
> MacWorx fitted a new 1TB hard drive and Mavericks 9.2 to my 21.5 inch late 
> 2009 iMac.   But strange things now occur, including system crashes at about 
> the 45 minute mark during the Time Machine backup to Time Capsule.
> 
> The new backup fails to complete, and the same result with subseqent 
> attempts.  Gets about half way through a 40GB backup.  Each time the iMac has 
> “shut down because of a problem” and automatically restarts.   There were 
> four Console log messages from “kernel”  just before the re-boot from the 
> latest attempt:
> Log 1)   … failed to inflate in one pass: -3
> Log 2)   … Apple FS Compression  …  decompress chunk 144:  error
> Log 3)   … Chunking decompressor (path to fonts and Chinese(?) characters: 
> error
> Log 4)   … decmpfs … err -1
> 
> I did an SMC Reset before the last Time Machine attempt.  The auto-start had 
> failed on its scheduled time, so I checked the manual “Backup Now” option.
> 
> What was done before turning on Time Machine:- I had purged the old 
> sparsebundle from TC.  I had no problems with the basic iMac setup.I used 
> Setup Assistant to transfer everything from a SuperDuper backup made in late 
> October, a month before the iMac first failed.  Spotlight had apparently 
> finished indexing very quickly - it allowed searches - but I never noticed 
> the “pulsing light” in the icon, or a drop down message.  I turned Time 
> Machine off; set sleep to never, and ran Software Update to 10.9.5 plus the 
> later Safari and Security updates.  I removed old files, folders and iTunes 
> content to create a mean and lean iMac.  Various re-starts throughout the 
> process.
> 
> Did Permissions Repair.  Huge list.   Ran again, (and again) - another huge 
> list.  Are these the same files or does it fix a batch each time the utility 
> is run?  The bulk of the messages started “ACL found but not expected on …”.  
>   Got the “permissions repair complete” message each time though.
> 
> I erased Spotlight data and forced a new indexation, following steps in an 
> Apple Support paper. New index took about an hour to complete.
> 
> Then tried Time Machine backup 2 - and then 3.  I got a TM message advising 
> it has completed verification of the old backup but will need to create a new 
> full backup.  Hence I did not erase the old sparsebundles manually.
> 
> Some additional info, but probably outside the main problem.  About 15 
> minutes into the Backup procedure, Console records about 1500 entries in one 
> minute with the same detail referring to "Sandbox mdworker deny 
> file-read-data with path to Microsoft Office … 
> ClipArt/Photos.localized/.localized”.   I can follow that up later.
> 
> Time Machine backups from the 2012 iMac appear to be successful.  These are 
> mostly small backups, so its sparsebundle doesn’t require much ”inflation” to 
> include more data!  TC has around 1.5 TB spare space.
> 
> I had hoped to inform wamug of the successful outcome of my 2009 iMac saga 
> following the correct remote analysis from both Ronni B and Bob H that the 
> hard disk had most likely failed.  Instead of a conclusion, I now have a 
> sequel … More help please!
> 
> 
> Regards, 
> Alan
> 
> Alan Smith
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> Mavericks
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Game over!

All three sparsebundles in place and all three Macbooks set for backup and 
working fine.

I now have a spare 1TB drive which I know will be useful in the future.

Thanks again for everyones help (especially Carlo for "iChatting" into my 
Macbook and Ronni too for many responses) for this issue I had here.

Regards

Pete.



On 10/09/2012, at 6:31 AM, Peter Crisp wrote:

> Righto, so the two 'good' sparsebundles copied off ok, then the Time Capsule 
> erase. Using Airport Utility, I was presented with 4 options of how to erase 
> the TC - Quick Erase, All Zeros, All Zeroes 3 times, All Zeros 7 times. I 
> chose "All Zeros" initially and the process started ok and got to around 15% 
> where it never got past - I left it for the whole weekend! Not sure why this 
> was but after some learned advice from Dad, I interrupted it and did the 
> Quick Erase which was complete in minutes which resulted in 929.45 GB free 
> from the 1TB. All good.
> 
> Started shaking with anticipation at this point and got Tim's (9yo) MacBook, 
> checked the naming was ok and set it off.. Well it just set about 
> doing a normal first time backup (49GB) which was completed within 3 hours - 
> success!
> 
> Just got to reinstate the two other sparsebundles now and get it all sorted.
> 
> It's been a lengthy process with lots of help from many, for which I am 
> grateful, but this issue is almost completed now.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 20/08/2012, at 8:28 PM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Well done Peter! The new drive will help you sort things out for you Time 
>> Capsule and besides will be useful afterwards for future upgrades when you 
>> want to make a clone.
>> 
>> You are exactly right about the formatting. Make sure you use a GUID 
>> partition table and the Mac OS Extended (Journaled) file system.
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> Carlo
>> 
>> 
>> ---
>> Carlo Margio
>> Real World Computing
>> 
>> mob: +61 404 296 965
>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
>> 
>> On 20/08/2012, at 5:04 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, thanks again for this Carlo. I've ebay'd a 1TB external drive so I have 
>>> the space to do the operations below. It will probably arrive with FAT 
>>> formatting. I presume I will need to reformat the new drive to OS Journaled 
>>> so it can accomodate the sparsebundle files (>4GB). Is this right?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The rest should be straight forward.
>>> 
>>> I'll revert either way with success or otherwise.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> On 08/08/2012, at 9:04 AM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 The nice formatting of the previous was removed at the news group server 
 so I will repost just the bullet points of the previous email...
 
 
 * Obtain an external drive with enough space to store the two sparse 
 bundles you wish to keep.
 
 * Turn off all Time Machine back up from al the computers in your house.
 
 * Move the two good sparse bundles to an external drive for safe keeping.
 
 * Erase the Time Capsule using Airport Utility ( knowledge base article 
 link
  http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4522?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US )
 
 * At this point try to backup the new install of your 9yo's computer to 
 Time Capsule. There should be nothing stopping it now.
 
 (post back if it does not work)
 
 * Copy back the other two sparse bundles to Time Capsule
 
 * Check that the existing computers are still associated with their newly 
 reinstate sparse bundle
 
 (if not post back)
 
 
 C
 
 On 08/08/2012, at 8:57 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> Just to wrap up this thread I'll summarise where we left things. It seems 
> the existing Time Capsule sparse bundle associated with you 9yo's MacBook 
> refuses to budge. In the end Time Capsule is an independent computer with 
> its own permissions and accounts. Apple attempts to keep these 
> permissions synchronised but there can be slip-ups.
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Carlo Margio]

Keep fighting the good fight Peter. Someone may write an epic poem about your 
struggles as a guide for future generations. :-)

Best of luck!
Carlo

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On 10/09/2012, at 6:31 AM, Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Righto, so the two 'good' sparsebundles copied off ok, then the Time Capsule 
> erase. Using Airport Utility, I was presented with 4 options of how to erase 
> the TC - Quick Erase, All Zeros, All Zeroes 3 times, All Zeros 7 times. I 
> chose "All Zeros" initially and the process started ok and got to around 15% 
> where it never got past - I left it for the whole weekend! Not sure why this 
> was but after some learned advice from Dad, I interrupted it and did the 
> Quick Erase which was complete in minutes which resulted in 929.45 GB free 
> from the 1TB. All good.
> 
> Started shaking with anticipation at this point and got Tim's (9yo) MacBook, 
> checked the naming was ok and set it off.. Well it just set about 
> doing a normal first time backup (49GB) which was completed within 3 hours - 
> success!
> 
> Just got to reinstate the two other sparsebundles now and get it all sorted.
> 
> It's been a lengthy process with lots of help from many, for which I am 
> grateful, but this issue is almost completed now.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 20/08/2012, at 8:28 PM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Well done Peter! The new drive will help you sort things out for you Time 
>> Capsule and besides will be useful afterwards for future upgrades when you 
>> want to make a clone.
>> 
>> You are exactly right about the formatting. Make sure you use a GUID 
>> partition table and the Mac OS Extended (Journaled) file system.
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> Carlo
>> 
>> 
>> ---
>> Carlo Margio
>> Real World Computing
>> 
>> mob: +61 404 296 965
>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
>> 
>> On 20/08/2012, at 5:04 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, thanks again for this Carlo. I've ebay'd a 1TB external drive so I have 
>>> the space to do the operations below. It will probably arrive with FAT 
>>> formatting. I presume I will need to reformat the new drive to OS Journaled 
>>> so it can accomodate the sparsebundle files (>4GB). Is this right?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The rest should be straight forward.
>>> 
>>> I'll revert either way with success or otherwise.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> On 08/08/2012, at 9:04 AM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 The nice formatting of the previous was removed at the news group server 
 so I will repost just the bullet points of the previous email...
 
 
 * Obtain an external drive with enough space to store the two sparse 
 bundles you wish to keep.
 
 * Turn off all Time Machine back up from al the computers in your house.
 
 * Move the two good sparse bundles to an external drive for safe keeping.
 
 * Erase the Time Capsule using Airport Utility ( knowledge base article 
 link
  http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4522?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US )
 
 * At this point try to backup the new install of your 9yo's computer to 
 Time Capsule. There should be nothing stopping it now.
 
 (post back if it does not work)
 
 * Copy back the other two sparse bundles to Time Capsule
 
 * Check that the existing computers are still associated with their newly 
 reinstate sparse bundle
 
 (if not post back)
 
 
 C
 
 On 08/08/2012, at 8:57 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> Just to wrap up this thread I'll summarise where we left things. It seems 
> the existing Time Capsule sparse bundle associated with you 9yo's MacBook 
> refuses to budge. In the end Time Capsule is an independent computer with 
> its own permissions and accounts. Apple attempts to keep these 
> permissions synchronised but there can be slip-ups.
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Righto, so the two 'good' sparsebundles copied off ok, then the Time Capsule 
erase. Using Airport Utility, I was presented with 4 options of how to erase 
the TC - Quick Erase, All Zeros, All Zeroes 3 times, All Zeros 7 times. I chose 
"All Zeros" initially and the process started ok and got to around 15% where it 
never got past - I left it for the whole weekend! Not sure why this was but 
after some learned advice from Dad, I interrupted it and did the Quick Erase 
which was complete in minutes which resulted in 929.45 GB free from the 1TB. 
All good.

Started shaking with anticipation at this point and got Tim's (9yo) MacBook, 
checked the naming was ok and set it off.. Well it just set about doing 
a normal first time backup (49GB) which was completed within 3 hours - success!

Just got to reinstate the two other sparsebundles now and get it all sorted.

It's been a lengthy process with lots of help from many, for which I am 
grateful, but this issue is almost completed now.

Regards

Pete

On 20/08/2012, at 8:28 PM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
 wrote:

> Well done Peter! The new drive will help you sort things out for you Time 
> Capsule and besides will be useful afterwards for future upgrades when you 
> want to make a clone.
> 
> You are exactly right about the formatting. Make sure you use a GUID 
> partition table and the Mac OS Extended (Journaled) file system.
> 
> Good luck!
> Carlo
> 
> 
> ---
> Carlo Margio
> Real World Computing
> 
> mob: +61 404 296 965
> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
> 
> On 20/08/2012, at 5:04 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, thanks again for this Carlo. I've ebay'd a 1TB external drive so I have 
>> the space to do the operations below. It will probably arrive with FAT 
>> formatting. I presume I will need to reformat the new drive to OS Journaled 
>> so it can accomodate the sparsebundle files (>4GB). Is this right?
>> 
>> 
>> The rest should be straight forward.
>> 
>> I'll revert either way with success or otherwise.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> On 08/08/2012, at 9:04 AM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> The nice formatting of the previous was removed at the news group server so 
>>> I will repost just the bullet points of the previous email...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> * Obtain an external drive with enough space to store the two sparse 
>>> bundles you wish to keep.
>>> 
>>> * Turn off all Time Machine back up from al the computers in your house.
>>> 
>>> * Move the two good sparse bundles to an external drive for safe keeping.
>>> 
>>> * Erase the Time Capsule using Airport Utility ( knowledge base article link
>>>   http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4522?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US )
>>> 
>>> * At this point try to backup the new install of your 9yo's computer to 
>>> Time Capsule. There should be nothing stopping it now.
>>> 
>>> (post back if it does not work)
>>> 
>>> * Copy back the other two sparse bundles to Time Capsule
>>> 
>>> * Check that the existing computers are still associated with their newly 
>>> reinstate sparse bundle
>>> 
>>> (if not post back)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> C
>>> 
>>> On 08/08/2012, at 8:57 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Just to wrap up this thread I'll summarise where we left things. It seems 
 the existing Time Capsule sparse bundle associated with you 9yo's MacBook 
 refuses to budge. In the end Time Capsule is an independent computer with 
 its own permissions and accounts. Apple attempts to keep these permissions 
 synchronised but there can be slip-ups.
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[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

Well done Peter! The new drive will help you sort things out for you Time 
Capsule and besides will be useful afterwards for future upgrades when you want 
to make a clone.

You are exactly right about the formatting. Make sure you use a GUID partition 
table and the Mac OS Extended (Journaled) file system.

Good luck!
Carlo


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On 20/08/2012, at 5:04 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Ok, thanks again for this Carlo. I've ebay'd a 1TB external drive so I have 
> the space to do the operations below. It will probably arrive with FAT 
> formatting. I presume I will need to reformat the new drive to OS Journaled 
> so it can accomodate the sparsebundle files (>4GB). Is this right?
> 
> 
> The rest should be straight forward.
> 
> I'll revert either way with success or otherwise.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 08/08/2012, at 9:04 AM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> The nice formatting of the previous was removed at the news group server so 
>> I will repost just the bullet points of the previous email...
>> 
>> 
>> * Obtain an external drive with enough space to store the two sparse bundles 
>> you wish to keep.
>> 
>> * Turn off all Time Machine back up from al the computers in your house.
>> 
>> * Move the two good sparse bundles to an external drive for safe keeping.
>> 
>> * Erase the Time Capsule using Airport Utility ( knowledge base article link
>>http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4522?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US )
>> 
>> * At this point try to backup the new install of your 9yo's computer to Time 
>> Capsule. There should be nothing stopping it now.
>> 
>> (post back if it does not work)
>> 
>> * Copy back the other two sparse bundles to Time Capsule
>> 
>> * Check that the existing computers are still associated with their newly 
>> reinstate sparse bundle
>> 
>> (if not post back)
>> 
>> 
>> C
>> 
>> On 08/08/2012, at 8:57 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pete,
>>> 
>>> Just to wrap up this thread I'll summarise where we left things. It seems 
>>> the existing Time Capsule sparse bundle associated with you 9yo's MacBook 
>>> refuses to budge. In the end Time Capsule is an independent computer with 
>>> its own permissions and accounts. Apple attempts to keep these permissions 
>>> synchronised but there can be slip-ups.
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, thanks again for this Carlo. I've ebay'd a 1TB external drive so I have the 
space to do the operations below. It will probably arrive with FAT formatting. 
I presume I will need to reformat the new drive to OS Journaled so it can 
accomodate the sparsebundle files (>4GB). Is this right?


The rest should be straight forward.

I'll revert either way with success or otherwise.

Regards

Pete

On 08/08/2012, at 9:04 AM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
 wrote:

> The nice formatting of the previous was removed at the news group server so I 
> will repost just the bullet points of the previous email...
> 
> 
> * Obtain an external drive with enough space to store the two sparse bundles 
> you wish to keep.
> 
> * Turn off all Time Machine back up from al the computers in your house.
> 
> * Move the two good sparse bundles to an external drive for safe keeping.
> 
> * Erase the Time Capsule using Airport Utility ( knowledge base article link
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4522?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US )
> 
> * At this point try to backup the new install of your 9yo's computer to Time 
> Capsule. There should be nothing stopping it now.
> 
> (post back if it does not work)
> 
> * Copy back the other two sparse bundles to Time Capsule
> 
> * Check that the existing computers are still associated with their newly 
> reinstate sparse bundle
> 
> (if not post back)
> 
> 
> C
> 
> On 08/08/2012, at 8:57 AM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pete,
>> 
>> Just to wrap up this thread I'll summarise where we left things. It seems 
>> the existing Time Capsule sparse bundle associated with you 9yo's MacBook 
>> refuses to budge. In the end Time Capsule is an independent computer with 
>> its own permissions and accounts. Apple attempts to keep these permissions 
>> synchronised but there can be slip-ups.
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks Carlo and Ronni too for direct support on this topic.

I agree with your recommended actions there Carlo, I'll get a 1TB external to 
act as temp storage of the two 'good' sparsebundles and then gradually 
reintroduce the MBs to the TC post reset. Hopefully an amicable process for all 
units.

Will revert hopefully with a successful closure.

A positive byproduct of all this I have to say has been a much increased 
awareness for me of cloning, migration assistant, computer naming and Terminal 
commands.

Regards

Pete


On 08/08/2012, at 8:57 AM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
 wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
> Just to wrap up this thread I'll summarise where we left things. It seems the 
> existing Time Capsule sparse bundle associated with you 9yo's MacBook refuses 
> to budge. In the end Time Capsule is an independent computer with its own 
> permissions and accounts. Apple attempts to keep these permissions 
> synchronised but there can be slip-ups.
> 
> So failing deleting the old sparse bundle here is a proposed fall back 
> position:
> Obtain an external drive with enough space to store the two sparse bundles 
> you wish to keep.
> Turn off all Time Machine back up from al the computers in your house.
> Move the two good sparse bundles to an external drive for safe keeping.
> Erase the Time Capsule using Airport Utility 
> (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4522?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US )
> At this point try to backup the new install of your 9yo’s computer to Time 
> Capsule, there should be nothing stopping it now. (post back if it does not 
> work)
> Copy back the other two sparse bundles to Time Capsule
> Check that the existing computers are still associated with their newly 
> reinstate sparse bundle (if not post back)
> I know you will be away for a couple of weeks, so let us know how things go 
> when you get back.
> 
> Regards
> Carlo
> 
> ---
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> 
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> 
> On 05/08/2012, at 8:55 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pete,
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Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

gt;> 4.Launch Terminal, then type these commands:
>>>> 
>>>> cd /Volumes/Data
>>>> ls
>>>> 
>>>> That's a lower-case letter "L" at the beginning of that last command. 
>>>> You should see all your "sparsebundle" volumes.
>>>> 
>>>> Then type this command (including a trailing space) but do NOT yet press 
>>>> "return":
>>>> 
>>>> sudo rm -rf 
>>>> 
>>>> 5. Now open the "Data" volume. Drag the "sparsebundle" file you want to 
>>>> delete from the "Data" volume's Finder window to the Terminal window. 
>>>> 
>>>> This should cause the path and name of the volume you want to delete to be 
>>>> copied into the Terminal window. 
>>>> 6. Now select the Terminal window. 
>>>> Double-check that the correct "sparsebundle" file is in the command, then 
>>>> press "return". 
>>>> 
>>>> You'll be prompted for your administrative password.
>>>> 
>>>> As a general rule, if you are manipulating file/folder names with 
>>>> "special" characters, the whole file/folder name should be double quoted.
>>>> 
>>>> Dragging the file from a Finder window to the Terminal adds double quotes 
>>>> as needed.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ronni
>>>> 
>>>> On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
>>>>> permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group 
>>>>> code being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any 
>>>>> case it is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to 
>>>>> delete the User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of 
>>>>> them replies after step 2 below with "-bash: :$ command not found". So I 
>>>>> can't delete with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is 
>>>>> slightly altered when compared with your earlier instructions in that I 
>>>>> did the OSX install prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this 
>>>>> matter?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the 
>>>>> time machine disc image.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the 
>>>>> "bash" issue I am having.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pete...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
>>>>>> sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you 
>>>>>> can try it from one of the other computers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
>>>>>> sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything 
>>>>>> further in Finder.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2) In Terminal now do the following
>>>>>> $ cd /Volumes/Data
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3) At this point type
>>>>>> $ ls -l
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 4) Still in terminal type
>>>>>> $ sudo rm -rf 
>>>>>> Where  is the name from step 3)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Carlo
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Pete,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the 
>>>>>>> posting from a older email address.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
>>>>>>> applied the update to 10.5.4

Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

e quotes 
>>> as needed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
>>>> permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group 
>>>> code being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any 
>>>> case it is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to 
>>>> delete the User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of 
>>>> them replies after step 2 below with "-bash: :$ command not found". So I 
>>>> can't delete with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is 
>>>> slightly altered when compared with your earlier instructions in that I 
>>>> did the OSX install prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this 
>>>> matter?
>>>> 
>>>> Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
>>>> machine disc image.
>>>> 
>>>> I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the "bash" 
>>>> issue I am having.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Pete...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
>>>>> sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
>>>>> try it from one of the other computers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
>>>>> sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything 
>>>>> further in Finder.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) In Terminal now do the following
>>>>> $ cd /Volumes/Data
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3) At this point type
>>>>> $ ls -l
>>>>> 
>>>>> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4) Still in terminal type
>>>>> $ sudo rm -rf 
>>>>> Where  is the name from step 3)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Carlo
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Pete,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
>>>>>> from a older email address.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
>>>>>> applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
>>>>>> with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there 
>>>>>> is little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
>>>>>> assistant to bring all the cruft back.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
>>>>>> non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps 
>>>>>> you could proceed as follows:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
>>>>>> unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
>>>>>> backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
>>>>>> will be included in the backup at this point
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Carlo
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Re: Time Machine backup
>>>>>>> Peter Crisp
>>>>>>> Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
>>>>>&g

Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

nder 
>>>> sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further 
>>>> in Finder.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) In Terminal now do the following
>>>> $ cd /Volumes/Data
>>>> 
>>>> 3) At this point type
>>>> $ ls -l
>>>> 
>>>> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
>>>> 
>>>> 4) Still in terminal type
>>>> $ sudo rm -rf 
>>>> Where  is the name from step 3)
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck!
>>>> 
>>>> Carlo
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Pete,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
>>>>> from a older email address.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
>>>>> applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
>>>>> with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there 
>>>>> is little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
>>>>> assistant to bring all the cruft back.
>>>>> 
>>>>> To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
>>>>> non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you 
>>>>> could proceed as follows:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
>>>>> unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
>>>>> backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
>>>>> will be included in the backup at this point
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Carlo
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Re: Time Machine backup
>>>>>> Peter Crisp
>>>>>> Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and 
>>>>>> then test 
>>>>>> to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but 
>>>>>> as it 
>>>>>> was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to 
>>>>>> do a 
>>>>>> clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it 
>>>>>> did but 
>>>>>> took 5 hours through the night.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time 
>>>>>> Machine image 
>>>>>> mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
>>>>>> Change 
>>>>>> Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an 
>>>>>> analogue 
>>>>>> clock face.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people 
>>>>>> holding 
>>>>>> hands.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through 
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's 
>>>>>> MacBook to 
>>>>>> the TC.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's 
>>>>>> MacBook it 
>>>>>> states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On 
>>>>>> SWMBOs 
>>>>>> MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) and 
>>>>>> Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It seems like there are 2 volumes or images, I really don't know what to 
>>>>>> do 
>>>>>> next.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I haven't migrated Tim's data back in yet, to save me wasting time and 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> protect it until its all settled.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had read somewhere that Time Capsule uses the MAC address to recognise 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> machine, in doing a clean instal the MAC address doesn't change (i 
>>>>>> think) and 
>>>>>> so it is still attempting to do the same as I was trying 3 days ago. As 
>>>>>> same 
>>>>>> MAC address means same machine to the TC. Can I change the MAC address? 
>>>>>> Is 
>>>>>> there a plist file somewhere I can blow away to kick start it from 
>>>>>> scratch?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> WCE performance was icing on the cake last night but the rowers did a 
>>>>>> great job!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any tips?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

ep 3)
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck!
>>>> 
>>>> Carlo
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Pete,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
>>>>> from a older email address.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
>>>>> applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
>>>>> with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there 
>>>>> is little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
>>>>> assistant to bring all the cruft back.
>>>>> 
>>>>> To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
>>>>> non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you 
>>>>> could proceed as follows:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
>>>>> unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
>>>>> backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
>>>>> will be included in the backup at this point
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Carlo
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Re: Time Machine backup
>>>>>> Peter Crisp
>>>>>> Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and 
>>>>>> then test 
>>>>>> to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but 
>>>>>> as it 
>>>>>> was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to 
>>>>>> do a 
>>>>>> clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it 
>>>>>> did but 
>>>>>> took 5 hours through the night.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time 
>>>>>> Machine image 
>>>>>> mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
>>>>>> Change 
>>>>>> Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an 
>>>>>> analogue 
>>>>>> clock face.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people 
>>>>>> holding 
>>>>>> hands.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through 
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's 
>>>>>> MacBook to 
>>>>>> the TC.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's 
>>>>>> MacBook it 
>>>>>> states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On 
>>>>>> SWMBOs 
>>>>>> MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) and 
>>>>>> Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It seems like there are 2 volumes or images, I really don't know what to 
>>>>>> do 
>>>>>> next.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I haven't migrated Tim's data back in yet, to save me wasting time and 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> protect it until its all settled.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had read somewhere that Time Capsule uses the MAC address to recognise 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> machine, in doing a clean instal the MAC address doesn't change (i 
>>>>>> think) and 
>>>>>> so it is still attempting to do the same as I was trying 3 days ago. As 
>>>>>> same 
>>>>>> MAC address means same machine to the TC. Can I change the MAC address? 
>>>>>> Is 
>>>>>> there a plist file somewhere I can blow away to kick start it from 
>>>>>> scratch?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> WCE performance was icing on the cake last night but the rowers did a 
>>>>>> great job!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any tips?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Yes, I did that and browsed to the sparesebundle file without selecting it.

Pete.


On 05/08/2012, at 1:25 PM, cm wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> Did you make sure the Data directory was mounted by navigating to it first in 
> Finder?
> 
> C
> 
> On 05/08/2012, at 12:59 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, tried that - response to step 2) below yields "no such file or 
>> directory". 
>> 
>> Shall I do a full reinstall again, I have nothing to loose and I have the 
>> clone carefully placed aside still?
>> 
>> Pete.
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/08/2012, at 12:44 PM, cm wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pete,
>>> 
>>> Not I get it! (Insert slap on forehead here.) Sorry for not noticing 
>>> earlier.
>>> 
>>> It's a convention when writing Terminal commands to show a $ sign at the 
>>> start. That is meant to represent the last character of the prompt that 
>>> Terminal will write to show it is ready for a command. When one is logged 
>>> in with a root account the convention is to show a # character instead.
>>> 
>>> So try please try again but this time do not type the $ at the start of the 
>>> command. For instance where I say "$ cd /Volumes/Data", type only "cd 
>>> /Volumes/Data"
>>> 
>>> Let me know how that goes.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
>>>> permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group 
>>>> code being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any 
>>>> case it is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to 
>>>> delete the User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of 
>>>> them replies after step 2 below with "-bash: :$ command not found". So I 
>>>> can't delete with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is 
>>>> slightly altered when compared with your earlier instructions in that I 
>>>> did the OSX install prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this 
>>>> matter?
>>>> 
>>>> Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
>>>> machine disc image.
>>>> 
>>>> I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the "bash" 
>>>> issue I am having.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Pete...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
>>>>> sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
>>>>> try it from one of the other computers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
>>>>> sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything 
>>>>> further in Finder.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) In Terminal now do the following
>>>>> $ cd /Volumes/Data
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3) At this point type
>>>>> $ ls -l
>>>>> 
>>>>> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4) Still in terminal type
>>>>> $ sudo rm -rf 
>>>>> Where  is the name from step 3)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Carlo
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Pete,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
>>>>>> from a older email address.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
>>>>>> applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
>>>>>> with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there 
>>>>>> is little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
>>>>>> assistant to bring all the cruft back.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To take stoc

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, Still not getting there with terminal. step 3 - the word "Data" is not 
something I see in Finder. After selecting "Joannes Time Capsule" Finder 
presents "Time Capsule" and "Maxtor" being the USB connect 1TB drive at the 
Time Capsule. I don't see "Data". If I select "Time Capsule", I see the three 
sparesebundle files for each of the 3 Macbooks.

Notwithstanding that I went to Terminal and typed commands per below and I get 
"No such file or directory".


Hmmm

Pete.






On 05/08/2012, at 12:55 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
> Sounds like a bit of a mess up. 
> Yes, Time Capsule does use the MAC Address of the computer not the computer 
> name.
> 
> To delete the User's User.sparsebundle.
> 1. Turn Off Time Machine in System 
> 2. In Finder under Shared select Time Capsule disk
> 3. Then click  "Data". 
> 
> 4.Launch Terminal, then type these commands:
> 
> cd /Volumes/Data
> ls
> 
> That's a lower-case letter "L" at the beginning of that last command. 
> You should see all your "sparsebundle" volumes.
> 
> Then type this command (including a trailing space) but do NOT yet press 
> "return":
> 
> sudo rm -rf 
> 
> 5. Now open the "Data" volume. Drag the "sparsebundle" file you want to 
> delete from the "Data" volume's Finder window to the Terminal window. 
> 
> This should cause the path and name of the volume you want to delete to be 
> copied into the Terminal window. 
> 6. Now select the Terminal window. 
> Double-check that the correct "sparsebundle" file is in the command, then 
> press "return". 
> 
> You'll be prompted for your administrative password.
> 
> As a general rule, if you are manipulating file/folder names with "special" 
> characters, the whole file/folder name should be double quoted.
> 
> Dragging the file from a Finder window to the Terminal adds double quotes as 
> needed.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
>> permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
>> being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
>> is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
>> User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
>> after step 2 below with "-bash: :$ command not found". So I can't delete 
>> with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly altered 
>> when compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX install 
>> prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
>> 
>> Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
>> machine disc image.
>> 
>> I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the "bash" 
>> issue I am having.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
>> 
>>> Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
>>> sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
>>> try it from one of the other computers.
>>> 
>>> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
>>> sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further 
>>> in Finder.
>>> 
>>> 2) In Terminal now do the following
>>> $ cd /Volumes/Data
>>> 
>>> 3) At this point type
>>> $ ls -l
>>> 
>>> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
>>> 
>>> 4) Still in terminal type
>>> $ sudo rm -rf 
>>> Where  is the name from step 3)
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Pete,
>>>> 
>>>> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
>>>> from a older email address.
>>>> 
>>>> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
>>>> applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
>>>> with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is 
>>>> little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migrat

Re: Time Machine backup

[cm]

Hi Peter,

Did you make sure the Data directory was mounted by navigating to it first in 
Finder?

C

On 05/08/2012, at 12:59 , Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Ok, tried that - response to step 2) below yields "no such file or 
> directory". 
> 
> Shall I do a full reinstall again, I have nothing to loose and I have the 
> clone carefully placed aside still?
> 
> Pete.
> 
> 
> On 05/08/2012, at 12:44 PM, cm wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pete,
>> 
>> Not I get it! (Insert slap on forehead here.) Sorry for not noticing earlier.
>> 
>> It's a convention when writing Terminal commands to show a $ sign at the 
>> start. That is meant to represent the last character of the prompt that 
>> Terminal will write to show it is ready for a command. When one is logged in 
>> with a root account the convention is to show a # character instead.
>> 
>> So try please try again but this time do not type the $ at the start of the 
>> command. For instance where I say "$ cd /Volumes/Data", type only "cd 
>> /Volumes/Data"
>> 
>> Let me know how that goes.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
>>> permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
>>> being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
>>> is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
>>> User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
>>> after step 2 below with "-bash: :$ command not found". So I can't delete 
>>> with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly 
>>> altered when compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX 
>>> install prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
>>> 
>>> Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
>>> machine disc image.
>>> 
>>> I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the "bash" 
>>> issue I am having.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
>>>> sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
>>>> try it from one of the other computers.
>>>> 
>>>> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
>>>> sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further 
>>>> in Finder.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) In Terminal now do the following
>>>> $ cd /Volumes/Data
>>>> 
>>>> 3) At this point type
>>>> $ ls -l
>>>> 
>>>> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
>>>> 
>>>> 4) Still in terminal type
>>>> $ sudo rm -rf 
>>>> Where  is the name from step 3)
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck!
>>>> 
>>>> Carlo
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Pete,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
>>>>> from a older email address.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
>>>>> applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
>>>>> with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there 
>>>>> is little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
>>>>> assistant to bring all the cruft back.
>>>>> 
>>>>> To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
>>>>> non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you 
>>>>> could proceed as follows:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
>>>>> unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
>>>>> backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable dat

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, tried that - response to step 2) below yields "no such file or directory". 

Shall I do a full reinstall again, I have nothing to loose and I have the clone 
carefully placed aside still?

Pete.


On 05/08/2012, at 12:44 PM, cm wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
> Not I get it! (Insert slap on forehead here.) Sorry for not noticing earlier.
> 
> It's a convention when writing Terminal commands to show a $ sign at the 
> start. That is meant to represent the last character of the prompt that 
> Terminal will write to show it is ready for a command. When one is logged in 
> with a root account the convention is to show a # character instead.
> 
> So try please try again but this time do not type the $ at the start of the 
> command. For instance where I say "$ cd /Volumes/Data", type only "cd 
> /Volumes/Data"
> 
> Let me know how that goes.
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
>> permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
>> being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
>> is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
>> User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
>> after step 2 below with "-bash: :$ command not found". So I can't delete 
>> with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly altered 
>> when compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX install 
>> prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
>> 
>> Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
>> machine disc image.
>> 
>> I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the "bash" 
>> issue I am having.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
>> 
>>> Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
>>> sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
>>> try it from one of the other computers.
>>> 
>>> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
>>> sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further 
>>> in Finder.
>>> 
>>> 2) In Terminal now do the following
>>> $ cd /Volumes/Data
>>> 
>>> 3) At this point type
>>> $ ls -l
>>> 
>>> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
>>> 
>>> 4) Still in terminal type
>>> $ sudo rm -rf 
>>> Where  is the name from step 3)
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Pete,
>>>> 
>>>> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
>>>> from a older email address.
>>>> 
>>>> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
>>>> applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
>>>> with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is 
>>>> little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
>>>> assistant to bring all the cruft back.
>>>> 
>>>> To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
>>>> non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you 
>>>> could proceed as follows:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
>>>> unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
>>>> backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
>>>> will be included in the backup at this point
>>>> 
>>>> 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
>>>> 
>>>> 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
>>>> 
>>>> Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Carlo
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Re: Time Machine backup
>>>>> Peter Crisp
>&g

Re: Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Pete,

Sounds like a bit of a mess up. 
Yes, Time Capsule does use the MAC Address of the computer not the computer 
name.

To delete the User's User.sparsebundle.
1. Turn Off Time Machine in System 
2. In Finder under Shared select Time Capsule disk
3. Then click  "Data". 

4.Launch Terminal, then type these commands:

cd /Volumes/Data
ls

That's a lower-case letter "L" at the beginning of that last command. 
You should see all your "sparsebundle" volumes.

Then type this command (including a trailing space) but do NOT yet press 
"return":

sudo rm -rf 

5. Now open the "Data" volume. Drag the "sparsebundle" file you want to delete 
from the "Data" volume's Finder window to the Terminal window. 

This should cause the path and name of the volume you want to delete to be 
copied into the Terminal window. 
6. Now select the Terminal window. 
Double-check that the correct "sparsebundle" file is in the command, then press 
"return". 

You'll be prompted for your administrative password.

As a general rule, if you are manipulating file/folder names with "special" 
characters, the whole file/folder name should be double quoted.

Dragging the file from a Finder window to the Terminal adds double quotes as 
needed.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
> permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
> being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
> is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
> User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
> after step 2 below with "-bash: :$ command not found". So I can't delete with 
> terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly altered when 
> compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX install prior 
> to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
> 
> Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
> machine disc image.
> 
> I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the "bash" 
> issue I am having.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
> 
>> Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
>> sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
>> try it from one of the other computers.
>> 
>> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder sidebar. 
>> Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further in Finder.
>> 
>> 2) In Terminal now do the following
>> $ cd /Volumes/Data
>> 
>> 3) At this point type
>> $ ls -l
>> 
>> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
>> 
>> 4) Still in terminal type
>> $ sudo rm -rf 
>> Where  is the name from step 3)
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> 
>> Carlo
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pete,
>>> 
>>> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
>>> from a older email address.
>>> 
>>> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
>>> applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer with 
>>> all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is 
>>> little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
>>> assistant to bring all the cruft back.
>>> 
>>> To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a non 
>>> functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you could 
>>> proceed as follows:
>>> 
>>> 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
>>> unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
>>> 
>>> 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
>>> backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data will 
>>> be included in the backup at this point
>>> 
>>> 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
>>> 
>>> 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
>>> 
>>> Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Re: Time Machine backup
&

Re: Time Machine backup

[cm]

An addendum on thinking about the matter further and to head of an almost 
certain post. When you attempt to remove the sparse bundle, the single quote 
character will need to be preceded by a \ -- this is know as escaping a special 
character.

So if the bundle is called User's.sparsebundle, you must type

rm -rf User\'s.sparsebundle

You can, to make this process easier, hit the Tab key after you have type this 
far "rm -rf User"

The spelling has to be perfect so please note the spelling of "sparsebundle"

Regards,
Carlo

On 05/08/2012, at 12:44 , cm  wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
> Not I get it! (Insert slap on forehead here.) Sorry for not noticing earlier.
> 
> It's a convention when writing Terminal commands to show a $ sign at the 
> start. That is meant to represent the last character of the prompt that 
> Terminal will write to show it is ready for a command. When one is logged in 
> with a root account the convention is to show a # character instead.
> 
> So try please try again but this time do not type the $ at the start of the 
> command. For instance where I say "$ cd /Volumes/Data", type only "cd 
> /Volumes/Data"
> 
> Let me know how that goes.
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
>> permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
>> being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
>> is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
>> User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
>> after step 2 below with "-bash: :$ command not found". So I can't delete 
>> with terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly altered 
>> when compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX install 
>> prior to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
>> 
>> Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
>> machine disc image.
>> 
>> I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the "bash" 
>> issue I am having.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
>> 
>>> Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
>>> sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
>>> try it from one of the other computers.
>>> 
>>> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
>>> sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further 
>>> in Finder.
>>> 
>>> 2) In Terminal now do the following
>>> $ cd /Volumes/Data
>>> 
>>> 3) At this point type
>>> $ ls -l
>>> 
>>> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
>>> 
>>> 4) Still in terminal type
>>> $ sudo rm -rf 
>>> Where  is the name from step 3)
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Pete,
>>>> 
>>>> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
>>>> from a older email address.
>>>> 
>>>> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
>>>> applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer 
>>>> with all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is 
>>>> little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
>>>> assistant to bring all the cruft back.
>>>> 
>>>> To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a 
>>>> non functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you 
>>>> could proceed as follows:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
>>>> unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
>>>> backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data 
>>>> will be included in the backup at this point
>>>> 
>>>> 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
>>>> 
>>>> 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- 

Re: Time Machine backup

[cm]

Hi Pete,

Not I get it! (Insert slap on forehead here.) Sorry for not noticing earlier.

It's a convention when writing Terminal commands to show a $ sign at the start. 
That is meant to represent the last character of the prompt that Terminal will 
write to show it is ready for a command. When one is logged in with a root 
account the convention is to show a # character instead.

So try please try again but this time do not type the $ at the start of the 
command. For instance where I say "$ cd /Volumes/Data", type only "cd 
/Volumes/Data"

Let me know how that goes.

Regards,
Carlo

On 05/08/2012, at 12:36 , Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and 
> permissions repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code 
> being wrong - not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it 
> is now repaired. At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the 
> User's.sparesbundle from all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies 
> after step 2 below with "-bash: :$ command not found". So I can't delete with 
> terminal at the moment. However, the order of steps is slightly altered when 
> compared with your earlier instructions in that I did the OSX install prior 
> to the disk verify/repair steps. Does this matter?
> 
> Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
> machine disc image.
> 
> I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the "bash" 
> issue I am having.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:
> 
>> Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the 
>> sparse bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can 
>> try it from one of the other computers.
>> 
>> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder sidebar. 
>> Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further in Finder.
>> 
>> 2) In Terminal now do the following
>> $ cd /Volumes/Data
>> 
>> 3) At this point type
>> $ ls -l
>> 
>> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
>> 
>> 4) Still in terminal type
>> $ sudo rm -rf 
>> Where  is the name from step 3)
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> 
>> Carlo
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pete,
>>> 
>>> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
>>> from a older email address.
>>> 
>>> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully 
>>> applied the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer with 
>>> all your data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is 
>>> little benefit to a clean install if you intend to use data migration 
>>> assistant to bring all the cruft back.
>>> 
>>> To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a non 
>>> functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you could 
>>> proceed as follows:
>>> 
>>> 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
>>> unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
>>> 
>>> 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
>>> backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data will 
>>> be included in the backup at this point
>>> 
>>> 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
>>> 
>>> 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
>>> 
>>> Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Re: Time Machine backup
>>>> Peter Crisp
>>>> Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
>>>> 
>>>> Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
>>>> 
>>>> What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and then 
>>>> test 
>>>> to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
>>>> 
>>>> Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but 
>>>> as it 
>>>> was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to 
>>>> do a 
>>>> clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it 
>>>> did but 
>&

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Carlo, thanks for persevering with me. I did the Disk verify and permissions 
repair - there was one identified issue to do with a group code being wrong - 
not sure if that relates to my problem or not. In any case it is now repaired. 
At this point I have tried with Terminal to delete the User's.sparesbundle from 
all 3 MB's independently and each of them replies after step 2 below with 
"-bash: :$ command not found". So I can't delete with terminal at the moment. 
However, the order of steps is slightly altered when compared with your earlier 
instructions in that I did the OSX install prior to the disk verify/repair 
steps. Does this matter?

Still unable to delete the sparesebundle and also unable to mount the time 
machine disc image.

I think you indicated earlier there is an instal process to fix the "bash" 
issue I am having.

Regards

Pete...






On 05/08/2012, at 12:05 PM, cm wrote:

> Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the sparse 
> bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can try it 
> from one of the other computers.
> 
> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder sidebar. 
> Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further in Finder.
> 
> 2) In Terminal now do the following
> $ cd /Volumes/Data
> 
> 3) At this point type
> $ ls -l
> 
> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
> 
> 4) Still in terminal type
> $ sudo rm -rf 
> Where  is the name from step 3)
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Carlo
> 
> 
> On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pete,
>> 
>> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting 
>> from a older email address.
>> 
>> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully applied 
>> the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer with all your 
>> data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is little benefit 
>> to a clean install if you intend to use data migration assistant to bring 
>> all the cruft back.
>> 
>> To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a non 
>> functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you could 
>> proceed as follows:
>> 
>> 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
>> unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
>> 
>> 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
>> backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data will 
>> be included in the backup at this point
>> 
>> 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
>> 
>> 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
>> 
>> Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Re: Time Machine backup
>>> Peter Crisp
>>> Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
>>> 
>>> Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
>>> 
>>> What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and then 
>>> test 
>>> to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
>>> 
>>> Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but as 
>>> it 
>>> was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to do 
>>> a 
>>> clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it did 
>>> but 
>>> took 5 hours through the night.
>>> 
>>> I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
>>> 
>>> So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time Machine 
>>> image 
>>> mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
>>> Change 
>>> Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
>>> 
>>> Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an analogue 
>>> clock face.
>>> 
>>> Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people 
>>> holding 
>>> hands.
>>> 
>>> Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through it.
>>> 
>>> But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's MacBook 
>>> to 
>>> the TC.
>>> 
>>> Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
>>> 
>>> Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's MacBo

Re: Time Machine backup

[cm]

Just for reference sake, here is the process you can try to delete the sparse 
bundle. Note if you can't do this from your 9yo's computer you can try it from 
one of the other computers.

1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder sidebar. 
Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further in Finder.

2) In Terminal now do the following
$ cd /Volumes/Data

3) At this point type
$ ls -l

and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called

4) Still in terminal type
$ sudo rm -rf 
Where  is the name from step 3)

Good luck!

Carlo


On 05/08/2012, at 11:56 , cm  wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
> My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting from 
> a older email address.
> 
> Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully applied 
> the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer with all your 
> data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is little benefit 
> to a clean install if you intend to use data migration assistant to bring all 
> the cruft back.
> 
> To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a non 
> functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you could 
> proceed as follows:
> 
> 1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the 
> unused sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.
> 
> 2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine 
> backup just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data will 
> be included in the backup at this point
> 
> 3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.
> 
> 4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.
> 
> Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Re: Time Machine backup
>> Peter Crisp
>> Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
>> 
>> Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
>> 
>> What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and then 
>> test 
>> to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
>> 
>> Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but as 
>> it 
>> was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to do 
>> a 
>> clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it did 
>> but 
>> took 5 hours through the night.
>> 
>> I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
>> 
>> So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time Machine 
>> image 
>> mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
>> Change 
>> Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
>> 
>> Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an analogue 
>> clock face.
>> 
>> Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people 
>> holding 
>> hands.
>> 
>> Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through it.
>> 
>> But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's MacBook to 
>> the TC.
>> 
>> Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
>> 
>> Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's MacBook it 
>> states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On 
>> SWMBOs 
>> MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) and 
>> Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.
>> 
>> It seems like there are 2 volumes or images, I really don't know what to do 
>> next.
>> 
>> I haven't migrated Tim's data back in yet, to save me wasting time and to 
>> protect it until its all settled.
>> 
>> I had read somewhere that Time Capsule uses the MAC address to recognise a 
>> machine, in doing a clean instal the MAC address doesn't change (i think) 
>> and 
>> so it is still attempting to do the same as I was trying 3 days ago. As same 
>> MAC address means same machine to the TC. Can I change the MAC address? Is 
>> there a plist file somewhere I can blow away to kick start it from scratch?
>> 
>> WCE performance was icing on the cake last night but the rowers did a great 
>> job!
>> 
>> Any tips?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> 

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Re: Time Machine backup

[cm]

Hi Pete,

My hosting service seems to be temporarily offline so pardon the posting from a 
older email address.

Things seem to have got away from you a little. You had successfully applied 
the update to 10.5.4. At that point you had a working computer with all your 
data! I personally would not have wiped the data as there is little benefit to 
a clean install if you intend to use data migration assistant to bring all the 
cruft back.

To take stock, you now have a working computer albeit with no data an a non 
functioning Time Machine. So to try to get back on track, perhaps you could 
proceed as follows:

1) Attempt the earlier process where you use Terminal.app to delete the unused 
sparse bundle on your Time Capsule.

2) If that works and you get Time Machine functioning, do a Time Machine backup 
just to kick things off, even though none of your valuable data will be 
included in the backup at this point

3) Use data migration assistant to bring back your data.

4) Do another Time Machine backup -- this time with you data.

Let us know what you choose to do and how it goes.

Regards,
Carlo





> Re: Time Machine backup
> Peter Crisp
> Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:23:39 -0700
> 
> Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 
> 
> What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and then 
> test 
> to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.
> 
> Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but as 
> it 
> was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to do a 
> clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it did 
> but 
> took 5 hours through the night.
> 
> I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.
> 
> So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time Machine 
> image 
> mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the 
> Change 
> Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 
> 
> Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an analogue 
> clock face.
> 
> Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people holding 
> hands.
> 
> Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through it.
> 
> But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's MacBook to 
> the TC.
> 
> Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 
> 
> Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's MacBook it 
> states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On SWMBOs 
> MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) and 
> Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.
> 
> It seems like there are 2 volumes or images, I really don't know what to do 
> next.
> 
> I haven't migrated Tim's data back in yet, to save me wasting time and to 
> protect it until its all settled.
> 
> I had read somewhere that Time Capsule uses the MAC address to recognise a 
> machine, in doing a clean instal the MAC address doesn't change (i think) and 
> so it is still attempting to do the same as I was trying 3 days ago. As same 
> MAC address means same machine to the TC. Can I change the MAC address? Is 
> there a plist file somewhere I can blow away to kick start it from scratch?
> 
> WCE performance was icing on the cake last night but the rowers did a great 
> job!
> 
> Any tips?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, just about reached end of the line for options. 

What I did was load the OSX disc for System update only to 10.5.4 and then test 
to see if Time Machine could mount the volume- no go.

Then my objective was to do a clean instal from the 10.5.4 OSX disc, but as it 
was already the same OSX version, I was not presented with the option to do a 
clean instal. So I did Software Update to up version to 10.5.8 which it did but 
took 5 hours through the night.

I tried the Time Machine process again- no good.

So, go the full Monty. Clean instal back to 10.5.4. Still no Time Machine image 
mount. Some observations though which might jog someone's memory. In the Change 
Disc dialogue box of TM I have 3 items. 

Item 1 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a green picture with an analogue 
clock face.

Item 2 is an icon of the Time Capsule with a blue picture of 3 people holding 
hands.

Item 3 says None but has a red circle with a red diagonal line through it.

But item 3 has been there for ages, well before introducing Tim's MacBook to 
the TC.

Item 2 is the one I pick normally on Jo's MacBook and it works fine. 

Another observation, when looking at Time Machine window on Tim's MacBook it 
states name as Name: Time Capsule and Available 525.4GB of 929.5GB. On SWMBOs 
MacBook, same window says Name: Time Capsule (Joannes-Time-Capsule) and 
Available: 564.11GB of 998.06GB.

It seems like there are 2 volumes or images, I really don't know what to do 
next.

I haven't migrated Tim's data back in yet, to save me wasting time and to 
protect it until its all settled.

I had read somewhere that Time Capsule uses the MAC address to recognise a 
machine, in doing a clean instal the MAC address doesn't change (i think) and 
so it is still attempting to do the same as I was trying 3 days ago. As same 
MAC address means same machine to the TC. Can I change the MAC address? Is 
there a plist file somewhere I can blow away to kick start it from scratch?

WCE performance was icing on the cake last night but the rowers did a great job!

Any tips?

Regards

Pete


On 04/08/2012, at 7:03 PM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
 wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
> Both alternatives are valid but just a quick word on the subject. If you 
> truly value your data and want to use the clean install approach then you 
> probably should make a second clone just to be sure. The clean install 
> approach creates a single point of failure; the cloned drive.
> 
> If the external drive fails between the clean install and the migration your 
> data is lost. This is highly unlikely but if it were my photo collection for 
> instance, I would make a second clone or at the least a quick copy of the 
> most valuable data such as a photo collection.
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> ---
> Carlo Margio
> Real World Computing
> 
> mob: 0404 296 965
> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
> 
> On 04/08/2012, at 16:53 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Ronni, I read the OSX 10.6.1 install disc which states "This software 
>> is part of a hardware bundle purchase-not to be sold separately". Probably 
>> means it is linked to the white MB and not transferable to the black MB.
>> 
>> I could still give it a try per Daniels suggestion and worst case a clean 
>> instal with 10.5.4 and Software Update then data migrate back from the clone.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/08/2012, at 3:55 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes I agree with you Daniel!
>>> 
>>> Why go backwards IF you can go forward...
>>> It will depend on whether the OS X 10.6.1 is "computer specific" (to the 
>>> White MacBook) as Daniel has mentioned below.
>>> 
>>> Peter, you are then are getting a Clean Install of the system and Migration 
>>> this way is also a cleaner.
>>> 
>>> And YES, Ronni is getting 'ready' for the "Men's Four" Rowing Final A  
>>> with "Will & The Boys" stroking as fast as they can.
>>> 
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[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

Hi Pete,

Both alternatives are valid but just a quick word on the subject. If you truly 
value your data and want to use the clean install approach then you probably 
should make a second clone just to be sure. The clean install approach creates 
a single point of failure; the cloned drive.

If the external drive fails between the clean install and the migration your 
data is lost. This is highly unlikely but if it were my photo collection for 
instance, I would make a second clone or at the least a quick copy of the most 
valuable data such as a photo collection.

Regards,
Carlo

---
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Real World Computing

mob: 0404 296 965
i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
www.realworldcomputing.com.au

On 04/08/2012, at 16:53 , Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Thanks Ronni, I read the OSX 10.6.1 install disc which states "This software 
> is part of a hardware bundle purchase-not to be sold separately". Probably 
> means it is linked to the white MB and not transferable to the black MB.
> 
> I could still give it a try per Daniels suggestion and worst case a clean 
> instal with 10.5.4 and Software Update then data migrate back from the clone.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> On 04/08/2012, at 3:55 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Yes I agree with you Daniel!
>> 
>> Why go backwards IF you can go forward...
>> It will depend on whether the OS X 10.6.1 is "computer specific" (to the 
>> White MacBook) as Daniel has mentioned below.
>> 
>> Peter, you are then are getting a Clean Install of the system and Migration 
>> this way is also a cleaner.
>> 
>> And YES, Ronni is getting 'ready' for the "Men's Four" Rowing Final A  
>> with "Will & The Boys" stroking as fast as they can.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 'Ronni Has Left The Building'
>> 
>> On 04/08/2012, at 3:31 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Daniel, the cloning worked fine and I did a successful restart from 
>>> the clone and all seems fine.
>>> 
>>> While the WCE get clobbered I'll think about which approach to go with. 
>>> Given its for a 9yo, not sure if there is benefit with 10.6.x over 10.5.x 
>>> but I can see merit in your recommendation especially if Migration 
>>> Assistant makes the data move easy.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 04/08/2012, at 2:55 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>>> 
 I'd tend to disagree on this one,.. ;) lol.
 If the clone backup is fine (If you've booted off it to test and ensure 
 that it does work) then I'd use the opportunity to jump to 10.6.x in one 
 go.
 If you've got a 10.6 CD (last retail one was 10.6.3) then you could 
 install that on the laptop as a clean install, then once it gets to the 
 "Migration" part you can then Migrate direct from the clone that you made. 
 That way all the personal data etc is going to migrate back to the 
 MacBook. You can then update it with Software Update to 10.6.8 which will 
 run fine on that MacBook. That way you're doing it all in one go and 
 getting a nice clean starting system.
 And everything that is on it currently should run fine. (Though if some of 
 it is older software you may need to ensure to add/install Rosetta. (It 
 will advise you if it needs it anyway), and it just downloads it from 
 Apple should it require it.
 
 You can then set up Time Machine to do backup and all is good.
 
 To me this would be an easier way (and cleaner) to get it all up and 
 working again.
 And if all else fails you can always go back to cloning the clone drive 
 back to the MacBook anyway. So there's always a Plan B (And Plan C).
 
 The only thing that may be a thorn in this whole plan is if the 10.6.1 
 disc is "specific" to the white MacBook. Ranges of machines have discs 
 that only work on those models. ie you can't take one models disc and 
 install on a different model machine. Though if they are fairly similar 
 MacBook's you may be fine. To test this, I'd boot off the 10.6.1 and work 
 through as if you were going to install and see if it gets right up to the 
 "Install" button or if it errors out. If it doesnt' give you an error and 
 you get right to the "Instal" button then you should be fine. If it gives 
 you an error then you know that that isn't going to work. (it will 
 normally say something like "this System can't be installed on this type 
 of machine" etc etc. Or something like that. Then you can just Quit out of 
 the installer and go back to the normal boot drive.
 
 As always, ensure you have a good backup before you start and a fall back 
 plan incase. :o)
 
 That would be me thinking anyway. (Sorry Carlo, but hey, everyone does 
 things differently,..lol. I have a feeling Ronni would agree, though I'm 
 sure she's off watching or getting ready for the rowing,...hehe.) :o) 
 That's the way I've done it for other clients when upgrading or changing 
 hard drive capacities and upgrading at the same

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks Ronni, I read the OSX 10.6.1 install disc which states "This software is 
part of a hardware bundle purchase-not to be sold separately". Probably means 
it is linked to the white MB and not transferable to the black MB.

I could still give it a try per Daniels suggestion and worst case a clean 
instal with 10.5.4 and Software Update then data migrate back from the clone.


Regards

Pete


On 04/08/2012, at 3:55 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Yes I agree with you Daniel!
> 
> Why go backwards IF you can go forward...
> It will depend on whether the OS X 10.6.1 is "computer specific" (to the 
> White MacBook) as Daniel has mentioned below.
> 
> Peter, you are then are getting a Clean Install of the system and Migration 
> this way is also a cleaner.
> 
> And YES, Ronni is getting 'ready' for the "Men's Four" Rowing Final A  
> with "Will & The Boys" stroking as fast as they can.
> 
> Cheers,
> 'Ronni Has Left The Building'
> 
> On 04/08/2012, at 3:31 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Daniel, the cloning worked fine and I did a successful restart from 
>> the clone and all seems fine.
>> 
>> While the WCE get clobbered I'll think about which approach to go with. 
>> Given its for a 9yo, not sure if there is benefit with 10.6.x over 10.5.x 
>> but I can see merit in your recommendation especially if Migration Assistant 
>> makes the data move easy.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/08/2012, at 2:55 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd tend to disagree on this one,.. ;) lol.
>>> If the clone backup is fine (If you've booted off it to test and ensure 
>>> that it does work) then I'd use the opportunity to jump to 10.6.x in one go.
>>> If you've got a 10.6 CD (last retail one was 10.6.3) then you could install 
>>> that on the laptop as a clean install, then once it gets to the "Migration" 
>>> part you can then Migrate direct from the clone that you made. That way all 
>>> the personal data etc is going to migrate back to the MacBook. You can then 
>>> update it with Software Update to 10.6.8 which will run fine on that 
>>> MacBook. That way you're doing it all in one go and getting a nice clean 
>>> starting system.
>>> And everything that is on it currently should run fine. (Though if some of 
>>> it is older software you may need to ensure to add/install Rosetta. (It 
>>> will advise you if it needs it anyway), and it just downloads it from Apple 
>>> should it require it.
>>> 
>>> You can then set up Time Machine to do backup and all is good.
>>> 
>>> To me this would be an easier way (and cleaner) to get it all up and 
>>> working again.
>>> And if all else fails you can always go back to cloning the clone drive 
>>> back to the MacBook anyway. So there's always a Plan B (And Plan C).
>>> 
>>> The only thing that may be a thorn in this whole plan is if the 10.6.1 disc 
>>> is "specific" to the white MacBook. Ranges of machines have discs that only 
>>> work on those models. ie you can't take one models disc and install on a 
>>> different model machine. Though if they are fairly similar MacBook's you 
>>> may be fine. To test this, I'd boot off the 10.6.1 and work through as if 
>>> you were going to install and see if it gets right up to the "Install" 
>>> button or if it errors out. If it doesnt' give you an error and you get 
>>> right to the "Instal" button then you should be fine. If it gives you an 
>>> error then you know that that isn't going to work. (it will normally say 
>>> something like "this System can't be installed on this type of machine" etc 
>>> etc. Or something like that. Then you can just Quit out of the installer 
>>> and go back to the normal boot drive.
>>> 
>>> As always, ensure you have a good backup before you start and a fall back 
>>> plan incase. :o)
>>> 
>>> That would be me thinking anyway. (Sorry Carlo, but hey, everyone does 
>>> things differently,..lol. I have a feeling Ronni would agree, though I'm 
>>> sure she's off watching or getting ready for the rowing,...hehe.) :o) 
>>> That's the way I've done it for other clients when upgrading or changing 
>>> hard drive capacities and upgrading at the same time. Rather then cloning 
>>> the old drive to the new then upgrading, it's just as easy to install new 
>>> OS and migrate data. You then end up with a bit more of a cleaner upgrade I 
>>> find. (Again this is just my experience and opinion) :o)
>>> 
>>> Good luck either way. Hope it goes to plan.
>>> One of those jobs,..easy to sit down and do (or show),..not so easy to try 
>>> and explain via email.
>>> (I tried dictating this while heading home but gave up as it just wasn't 
>>> coming through so decided to wait while I wasn't driving and home,lol).
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Daniel
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Kerr
>>> MacWizardry
>>> 
>>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>>> Email: 
>>> Web:   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> **For everything Apple**
>>> 
>>> On 04/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Pete. Breath in

Re: Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Yes I agree with you Daniel!

Why go backwards IF you can go forward...
It will depend on whether the OS X 10.6.1 is "computer specific" (to the White 
MacBook) as Daniel has mentioned below.

Peter, you are then are getting a Clean Install of the system and Migration 
this way is also a cleaner.

And YES, Ronni is getting 'ready' for the "Men's Four" Rowing Final A  with 
"Will & The Boys" stroking as fast as they can.

Cheers,
'Ronni Has Left The Building'

On 04/08/2012, at 3:31 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Thanks Daniel, the cloning worked fine and I did a successful restart from 
> the clone and all seems fine.
> 
> While the WCE get clobbered I'll think about which approach to go with. Given 
> its for a 9yo, not sure if there is benefit with 10.6.x over 10.5.x but I can 
> see merit in your recommendation especially if Migration Assistant makes the 
> data move easy.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> On 04/08/2012, at 2:55 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
>> I'd tend to disagree on this one,.. ;) lol.
>> If the clone backup is fine (If you've booted off it to test and ensure that 
>> it does work) then I'd use the opportunity to jump to 10.6.x in one go.
>> If you've got a 10.6 CD (last retail one was 10.6.3) then you could install 
>> that on the laptop as a clean install, then once it gets to the "Migration" 
>> part you can then Migrate direct from the clone that you made. That way all 
>> the personal data etc is going to migrate back to the MacBook. You can then 
>> update it with Software Update to 10.6.8 which will run fine on that 
>> MacBook. That way you're doing it all in one go and getting a nice clean 
>> starting system.
>> And everything that is on it currently should run fine. (Though if some of 
>> it is older software you may need to ensure to add/install Rosetta. (It will 
>> advise you if it needs it anyway), and it just downloads it from Apple 
>> should it require it.
>> 
>> You can then set up Time Machine to do backup and all is good.
>> 
>> To me this would be an easier way (and cleaner) to get it all up and working 
>> again.
>> And if all else fails you can always go back to cloning the clone drive back 
>> to the MacBook anyway. So there's always a Plan B (And Plan C).
>> 
>> The only thing that may be a thorn in this whole plan is if the 10.6.1 disc 
>> is "specific" to the white MacBook. Ranges of machines have discs that only 
>> work on those models. ie you can't take one models disc and install on a 
>> different model machine. Though if they are fairly similar MacBook's you may 
>> be fine. To test this, I'd boot off the 10.6.1 and work through as if you 
>> were going to install and see if it gets right up to the "Install" button or 
>> if it errors out. If it doesnt' give you an error and you get right to the 
>> "Instal" button then you should be fine. If it gives you an error then you 
>> know that that isn't going to work. (it will normally say something like 
>> "this System can't be installed on this type of machine" etc etc. Or 
>> something like that. Then you can just Quit out of the installer and go back 
>> to the normal boot drive.
>> 
>> As always, ensure you have a good backup before you start and a fall back 
>> plan incase. :o)
>> 
>> That would be me thinking anyway. (Sorry Carlo, but hey, everyone does 
>> things differently,..lol. I have a feeling Ronni would agree, though I'm 
>> sure she's off watching or getting ready for the rowing,...hehe.) :o) 
>> That's the way I've done it for other clients when upgrading or changing 
>> hard drive capacities and upgrading at the same time. Rather then cloning 
>> the old drive to the new then upgrading, it's just as easy to install new OS 
>> and migrate data. You then end up with a bit more of a cleaner upgrade I 
>> find. (Again this is just my experience and opinion) :o)
>> 
>> Good luck either way. Hope it goes to plan.
>> One of those jobs,..easy to sit down and do (or show),..not so easy to try 
>> and explain via email.
>> (I tried dictating this while heading home but gave up as it just wasn't 
>> coming through so decided to wait while I wasn't driving and home,lol).
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> On 04/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pete. Breath into a paper bag and beg forbearance from SWMBO and your 
>>> 9yo. :-D
>>> 
>>> The clone is there as a safety net. If something goes dramatically wrong 
>>> (and there is no reason to believe it will) you can copy the clone back 
>>> onto your MacBook -- no harm no fowl.

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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks Daniel, the cloning worked fine and I did a successful restart from the 
clone and all seems fine.

While the WCE get clobbered I'll think about which approach to go with. Given 
its for a 9yo, not sure if there is benefit with 10.6.x over 10.5.x but I can 
see merit in your recommendation especially if Migration Assistant makes the 
data move easy.

Regards

Pete


On 04/08/2012, at 2:55 PM, Daniel Kerr  wrote:

> I'd tend to disagree on this one,.. ;) lol.
> If the clone backup is fine (If you've booted off it to test and ensure that 
> it does work) then I'd use the opportunity to jump to 10.6.x in one go.
> If you've got a 10.6 CD (last retail one was 10.6.3) then you could install 
> that on the laptop as a clean install, then once it gets to the "Migration" 
> part you can then Migrate direct from the clone that you made. That way all 
> the personal data etc is going to migrate back to the MacBook. You can then 
> update it with Software Update to 10.6.8 which will run fine on that MacBook. 
> That way you're doing it all in one go and getting a nice clean starting 
> system.
> And everything that is on it currently should run fine. (Though if some of it 
> is older software you may need to ensure to add/install Rosetta. (It will 
> advise you if it needs it anyway), and it just downloads it from Apple should 
> it require it.
> 
> You can then set up Time Machine to do backup and all is good.
> 
> To me this would be an easier way (and cleaner) to get it all up and working 
> again.
> And if all else fails you can always go back to cloning the clone drive back 
> to the MacBook anyway. So there's always a Plan B (And Plan C).
> 
> The only thing that may be a thorn in this whole plan is if the 10.6.1 disc 
> is "specific" to the white MacBook. Ranges of machines have discs that only 
> work on those models. ie you can't take one models disc and install on a 
> different model machine. Though if they are fairly similar MacBook's you may 
> be fine. To test this, I'd boot off the 10.6.1 and work through as if you 
> were going to install and see if it gets right up to the "Install" button or 
> if it errors out. If it doesnt' give you an error and you get right to the 
> "Instal" button then you should be fine. If it gives you an error then you 
> know that that isn't going to work. (it will normally say something like 
> "this System can't be installed on this type of machine" etc etc. Or 
> something like that. Then you can just Quit out of the installer and go back 
> to the normal boot drive.
> 
> As always, ensure you have a good backup before you start and a fall back 
> plan incase. :o)
> 
> That would be me thinking anyway. (Sorry Carlo, but hey, everyone does things 
> differently,..lol. I have a feeling Ronni would agree, though I'm sure she's 
> off watching or getting ready for the rowing,...hehe.) :o) 
> That's the way I've done it for other clients when upgrading or changing hard 
> drive capacities and upgrading at the same time. Rather then cloning the old 
> drive to the new then upgrading, it's just as easy to install new OS and 
> migrate data. You then end up with a bit more of a cleaner upgrade I find. 
> (Again this is just my experience and opinion) :o)
> 
> Good luck either way. Hope it goes to plan.
> One of those jobs,..easy to sit down and do (or show),..not so easy to try 
> and explain via email.
> (I tried dictating this while heading home but gave up as it just wasn't 
> coming through so decided to wait while I wasn't driving and home,lol).
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> ---
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> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> On 04/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pete. Breath into a paper bag and beg forbearance from SWMBO and your 
>> 9yo. :-D
>> 
>> The clone is there as a safety net. If something goes dramatically wrong 
>> (and there is no reason to believe it will) you can copy the clone back onto 
>> your MacBook -- no harm no fowl.
>> 
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Daniel Kerr]

I'd tend to disagree on this one,.. ;) lol.
If the clone backup is fine (If you've booted off it to test and ensure that it 
does work) then I'd use the opportunity to jump to 10.6.x in one go.
If you've got a 10.6 CD (last retail one was 10.6.3) then you could install 
that on the laptop as a clean install, then once it gets to the "Migration" 
part you can then Migrate direct from the clone that you made. That way all the 
personal data etc is going to migrate back to the MacBook. You can then update 
it with Software Update to 10.6.8 which will run fine on that MacBook. That way 
you're doing it all in one go and getting a nice clean starting system.
And everything that is on it currently should run fine. (Though if some of it 
is older software you may need to ensure to add/install Rosetta. (It will 
advise you if it needs it anyway), and it just downloads it from Apple should 
it require it.

You can then set up Time Machine to do backup and all is good.

To me this would be an easier way (and cleaner) to get it all up and working 
again.
And if all else fails you can always go back to cloning the clone drive back to 
the MacBook anyway. So there's always a Plan B (And Plan C).

The only thing that may be a thorn in this whole plan is if the 10.6.1 disc is 
"specific" to the white MacBook. Ranges of machines have discs that only work 
on those models. ie you can't take one models disc and install on a different 
model machine. Though if they are fairly similar MacBook's you may be fine. To 
test this, I'd boot off the 10.6.1 and work through as if you were going to 
install and see if it gets right up to the "Install" button or if it errors 
out. If it doesnt' give you an error and you get right to the "Instal" button 
then you should be fine. If it gives you an error then you know that that isn't 
going to work. (it will normally say something like "this System can't be 
installed on this type of machine" etc etc. Or something like that. Then you 
can just Quit out of the installer and go back to the normal boot drive.

As always, ensure you have a good backup before you start and a fall back plan 
incase. :o)

That would be me thinking anyway. (Sorry Carlo, but hey, everyone does things 
differently,..lol. I have a feeling Ronni would agree, though I'm sure she's 
off watching or getting ready for the rowing,...hehe.) :o) 
That's the way I've done it for other clients when upgrading or changing hard 
drive capacities and upgrading at the same time. Rather then cloning the old 
drive to the new then upgrading, it's just as easy to install new OS and 
migrate data. You then end up with a bit more of a cleaner upgrade I find. 
(Again this is just my experience and opinion) :o)

Good luck either way. Hope it goes to plan.
One of those jobs,..easy to sit down and do (or show),..not so easy to try and 
explain via email.
(I tried dictating this while heading home but gave up as it just wasn't coming 
through so decided to wait while I wasn't driving and home,lol).

Kind regards
Daniel
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On 04/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:

> Hi Pete. Breath into a paper bag and beg forbearance from SWMBO and your 9yo. 
> :-D
> 
> The clone is there as a safety net. If something goes dramatically wrong (and 
> there is no reason to believe it will) you can copy the clone back onto your 
> MacBook -- no harm no fowl.
> 
> Firstly I would take one step at a time and would *not* use this as an 
> opportunity to upgrade the OS. Get your system tuned perfectly and Time 
> Machine working again and then perform the upgrade if you choose. You will 
> need to check the model of you MacBook in any case to see wheter it can be 
> upgraded to 10.6 or not.
> 
> If I understand correctly the machine currently is running 10.5.8 and you 
> have a OS X disk with 10.5.4. That should not be a problem. 
> 
> 1) Run the install over the top of the current installation using the 10.5.4 
> disk.
> 2) Repair permission.
> 3) Get Time Machine functioning and allow it to finish backing up.
> 4) Download and and run any software updates from Apple Menu > Software 
> Update...
> 
> This should get you in a good position to do the OS upgrade if you choose.
> 
> If you need help with the upgrade, feel free to start a new thread and we 
> will help where we can.
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> ---
> Carlo Margio
> Real World Computing
> 
> mob: 0404 296 965
> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
> 
> On 04/08/2012, at 13:52 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, thanks for all that Carlo. Cloning process is underway.
>> 
>> In the mean time I went looking for system disc. The two black MacBooks were 
>> a purchase of reformatted MBs loaded with 10.5.8 from my previous employer. 
>> I've never needed the system instal discs before now too. 
>> 
>> So I have system OSX discs for 10.5.2, 

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, thanks and I agree with the conservative approach.

I'll do this over today after WCE game- result permitting!!! There might be 
blood involved.

Thanks for the guidance.

Regards

Pete

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On 04/08/2012, at 2:12 PM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
 wrote:

> Hi Pete. Breath into a paper bag and beg forbearance from SWMBO and your 9yo. 
> :-D
> 
> The clone is there as a safety net. If something goes dramatically wrong (and 
> there is no reason to believe it will) you can copy the clone back onto your 
> MacBook -- no harm no fowl.
> 
> Firstly I would take one step at a time and would *not* use this as an 
> opportunity to upgrade the OS. Get your system tuned perfectly and Time 
> Machine working again and then perform the upgrade if you choose. You will 
> need to check the model of you MacBook in any case to see wheter it can be 
> upgraded to 10.6 or not.
> 
> If I understand correctly the machine currently is running 10.5.8 and you 
> have a OS X disk with 10.5.4. That should not be a problem. 
> 
> 1) Run the install over the top of the current installation using the 10.5.4 
> disk.
> 2) Repair permission.
> 3) Get Time Machine functioning and allow it to finish backing up.
> 4) Download and and run any software updates from Apple Menu > Software 
> Update...
> 
> This should get you in a good position to do the OS upgrade if you choose.
> 
> If you need help with the upgrade, feel free to start a new thread and we 
> will help where we can.
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> ---
> Carlo Margio
> Real World Computing
> 
> mob: 0404 296 965
> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
> 
> On 04/08/2012, at 13:52 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, thanks for all that Carlo. Cloning process is underway.
>> 
>> In the mean time I went looking for system disc. The two black MacBooks were 
>> a purchase of reformatted MBs loaded with 10.5.8 from my previous employer. 
>> I've never needed the system instal discs before now too. 
>> 
>> So I have system OSX discs for 10.5.2, 10.5.4 and 10.6.1 (from SWMBOs white 
>> MacBook). Do I take a leap and go 10.6.1 or end up backward from 10.5.8 
>> where it currently is?
>> 
>> Having cloned 10.5.8, is the data restore process easy into a 10.6.x machine?
>> 
>> I've NEVER done a system restore before so a little unsure and dreading the 
>> consequences of destroying my 9yo's Minecraft creations!!!
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/08/2012, at 10:34 AM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pete,
>>> 
>>> The best format is Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with a GUID Partition Table 
>>> but ultimately you can, with extra work, get back to normal from anything 
>>> that records all your data. You could also do a Time Machine backup rather 
>>> than a clone.
>>> 
>>> As for the size difference, you are quite right that you may be able to get 
>>> by with the smaller drive. Here are some areas where you could save files. 
>>> I have put them in approximate order that I would leave things out until I 
>>> had enough space. For you it may be different.
>>> 
>>> 1) Choose not to clone any directories that you would not miss if they 
>>> where not there. In my case say a collection of iView downloads. You may 
>>> also be able to get by without your Downloads directory.
>>> 
>>> 2) You can leave out directories that you have copies of on other computers.
>>> 
>>> 3) If you need some files in the Downloads folder, trim any .dmg files that 
>>> you have already installed or that can be easily downloaded again. In my 
>>> case, say a Mountain Lion image or the latest Libre Office .dmg files.
>>> 
>>> 4) The software will make a few smart choices for you. It will likely not, 
>>> for instance, copy the paging file if you happen to have one.
>>> 
>>> 5) Clean our your caches and log files.
>>> 
>>> 7) Least favourable choice but in a pinch. Remember that your operating 
>>> system refresh is very likely to work with no data loss. So if there is a 
>>> directory of files that you have been thinking about deleting in any case 
>>> you can exclude it from the clone. Some old podcasts or videocasts that you 
>>> never seem to get around to listening to my be candidates.
>>> 
>>> Good luck, and keep us posted. :-)
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Carlo Margio
>>> Real World Computing
>>> 
>>> mob: 0404 296 965
>>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
>>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
>>> 
>>> On 04/08/2012, at 8:47 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
 Ok thanks for that Carlo, I understand what you're saying, I have a spare 
 150GB external drive, what format does it need setting as to create the 
 clone? It is a 250GB Macbook with 180GB showing available in Finder, I 
 think the 150GB is big enough for this cloning process. I will do a browse 
 for the CCC 3.4.x v

Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

Hi Pete. Breath into a paper bag and beg forbearance from SWMBO and your 9yo. 
:-D

The clone is there as a safety net. If something goes dramatically wrong (and 
there is no reason to believe it will) you can copy the clone back onto your 
MacBook -- no harm no fowl.

Firstly I would take one step at a time and would *not* use this as an 
opportunity to upgrade the OS. Get your system tuned perfectly and Time Machine 
working again and then perform the upgrade if you choose. You will need to 
check the model of you MacBook in any case to see wheter it can be upgraded to 
10.6 or not.

If I understand correctly the machine currently is running 10.5.8 and you have 
a OS X disk with 10.5.4. That should not be a problem. 

1) Run the install over the top of the current installation using the 10.5.4 
disk.
2) Repair permission.
3) Get Time Machine functioning and allow it to finish backing up.
4) Download and and run any software updates from Apple Menu > Software 
Update...

This should get you in a good position to do the OS upgrade if you choose.

If you need help with the upgrade, feel free to start a new thread and we will 
help where we can.

Regards,
Carlo

---
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Real World Computing

mob: 0404 296 965
i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
www.realworldcomputing.com.au

On 04/08/2012, at 13:52 , Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Ok, thanks for all that Carlo. Cloning process is underway.
> 
> In the mean time I went looking for system disc. The two black MacBooks were 
> a purchase of reformatted MBs loaded with 10.5.8 from my previous employer. 
> I've never needed the system instal discs before now too. 
> 
> So I have system OSX discs for 10.5.2, 10.5.4 and 10.6.1 (from SWMBOs white 
> MacBook). Do I take a leap and go 10.6.1 or end up backward from 10.5.8 where 
> it currently is?
> 
> Having cloned 10.5.8, is the data restore process easy into a 10.6.x machine?
> 
> I've NEVER done a system restore before so a little unsure and dreading the 
> consequences of destroying my 9yo's Minecraft creations!!!
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> On 04/08/2012, at 10:34 AM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pete,
>> 
>> The best format is Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with a GUID Partition Table 
>> but ultimately you can, with extra work, get back to normal from anything 
>> that records all your data. You could also do a Time Machine backup rather 
>> than a clone.
>> 
>> As for the size difference, you are quite right that you may be able to get 
>> by with the smaller drive. Here are some areas where you could save files. I 
>> have put them in approximate order that I would leave things out until I had 
>> enough space. For you it may be different.
>> 
>> 1) Choose not to clone any directories that you would not miss if they where 
>> not there. In my case say a collection of iView downloads. You may also be 
>> able to get by without your Downloads directory.
>> 
>> 2) You can leave out directories that you have copies of on other computers.
>> 
>> 3) If you need some files in the Downloads folder, trim any .dmg files that 
>> you have already installed or that can be easily downloaded again. In my 
>> case, say a Mountain Lion image or the latest Libre Office .dmg files.
>> 
>> 4) The software will make a few smart choices for you. It will likely not, 
>> for instance, copy the paging file if you happen to have one.
>> 
>> 5) Clean our your caches and log files.
>> 
>> 7) Least favourable choice but in a pinch. Remember that your operating 
>> system refresh is very likely to work with no data loss. So if there is a 
>> directory of files that you have been thinking about deleting in any case 
>> you can exclude it from the clone. Some old podcasts or videocasts that you 
>> never seem to get around to listening to my be candidates.
>> 
>> Good luck, and keep us posted. :-)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> ---
>> Carlo Margio
>> Real World Computing
>> 
>> mob: 0404 296 965
>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
>> 
>> On 04/08/2012, at 8:47 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok thanks for that Carlo, I understand what you're saying, I have a spare 
>>> 150GB external drive, what format does it need setting as to create the 
>>> clone? It is a 250GB Macbook with 180GB showing available in Finder, I 
>>> think the 150GB is big enough for this cloning process. I will do a browse 
>>> for the CCC 3.4.x version.
>>> 
>>> Thanks heaps for help here. 
>>> 
>>> Stay tuned - !
>>> 
>>> Regards
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, thanks for all that Carlo. Cloning process is underway.

In the mean time I went looking for system disc. The two black MacBooks were a 
purchase of reformatted MBs loaded with 10.5.8 from my previous employer. I've 
never needed the system instal discs before now too. 

So I have system OSX discs for 10.5.2, 10.5.4 and 10.6.1 (from SWMBOs white 
MacBook). Do I take a leap and go 10.6.1 or end up backward from 10.5.8 where 
it currently is?

Having cloned 10.5.8, is the data restore process easy into a 10.6.x machine?

I've NEVER done a system restore before so a little unsure and dreading the 
consequences of destroying my 9yo's Minecraft creations!!!

Regards

Pete


On 04/08/2012, at 10:34 AM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
 wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
> The best format is Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with a GUID Partition Table 
> but ultimately you can, with extra work, get back to normal from anything 
> that records all your data. You could also do a Time Machine backup rather 
> than a clone.
> 
> As for the size difference, you are quite right that you may be able to get 
> by with the smaller drive. Here are some areas where you could save files. I 
> have put them in approximate order that I would leave things out until I had 
> enough space. For you it may be different.
> 
> 1) Choose not to clone any directories that you would not miss if they where 
> not there. In my case say a collection of iView downloads. You may also be 
> able to get by without your Downloads directory.
> 
> 2) You can leave out directories that you have copies of on other computers.
> 
> 3) If you need some files in the Downloads folder, trim any .dmg files that 
> you have already installed or that can be easily downloaded again. In my 
> case, say a Mountain Lion image or the latest Libre Office .dmg files.
> 
> 4) The software will make a few smart choices for you. It will likely not, 
> for instance, copy the paging file if you happen to have one.
> 
> 5) Clean our your caches and log files.
> 
> 7) Least favourable choice but in a pinch. Remember that your operating 
> system refresh is very likely to work with no data loss. So if there is a 
> directory of files that you have been thinking about deleting in any case you 
> can exclude it from the clone. Some old podcasts or videocasts that you never 
> seem to get around to listening to my be candidates.
> 
> Good luck, and keep us posted. :-)
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> ---
> Carlo Margio
> Real World Computing
> 
> mob: 0404 296 965
> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
> 
> On 04/08/2012, at 8:47 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Ok thanks for that Carlo, I understand what you're saying, I have a spare 
>> 150GB external drive, what format does it need setting as to create the 
>> clone? It is a 250GB Macbook with 180GB showing available in Finder, I think 
>> the 150GB is big enough for this cloning process. I will do a browse for the 
>> CCC 3.4.x version.
>> 
>> Thanks heaps for help here. 
>> 
>> Stay tuned - !
>> 
>> Regards
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Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

Hi Pete,

The best format is Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with a GUID Partition Table but 
ultimately you can, with extra work, get back to normal from anything that 
records all your data. You could also do a Time Machine backup rather than a 
clone.

As for the size difference, you are quite right that you may be able to get by 
with the smaller drive. Here are some areas where you could save files. I have 
put them in approximate order that I would leave things out until I had enough 
space. For you it may be different.

1) Choose not to clone any directories that you would not miss if they where 
not there. In my case say a collection of iView downloads. You may also be able 
to get by without your Downloads directory.

2) You can leave out directories that you have copies of on other computers.

3) If you need some files in the Downloads folder, trim any .dmg files that you 
have already installed or that can be easily downloaded again. In my case, say 
a Mountain Lion image or the latest Libre Office .dmg files.

4) The software will make a few smart choices for you. It will likely not, for 
instance, copy the paging file if you happen to have one.

5) Clean our your caches and log files.

7) Least favourable choice but in a pinch. Remember that your operating system 
refresh is very likely to work with no data loss. So if there is a directory of 
files that you have been thinking about deleting in any case you can exclude it 
from the clone. Some old podcasts or videocasts that you never seem to get 
around to listening to my be candidates.

Good luck, and keep us posted. :-)

Regards,
Carlo

---
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Real World Computing

mob: 0404 296 965
i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
www.realworldcomputing.com.au

On 04/08/2012, at 8:47 , Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Ok thanks for that Carlo, I understand what you're saying, I have a spare 
> 150GB external drive, what format does it need setting as to create the 
> clone? It is a 250GB Macbook with 180GB showing available in Finder, I think 
> the 150GB is big enough for this cloning process. I will do a browse for the 
> CCC 3.4.x version.
> 
> Thanks heaps for help here. 
> 
> Stay tuned - !
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 11:20 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pete,
>> 
>> I have seen that condition before where bash is not installed. To rectify 
>> things you need to reinstall the same version of OS X over the top of your 
>> current install - I think you said it was OS X 10.5 Leopard. Take all the 
>> usual precautions before the install. I'll give you a quick run down here 
>> but if you need more detail on any step post back.
>> 
>> 1) In disk Utility verify disk and if necessary repair disk.
>> 
>> 2) Still in Disk Utility repair permissions.
>> 
>> 3) Because Time Machine is not working, find an external drive of sufficient 
>> capacity and make a clone of you internal drive. I use Carbon Copy Cloner 
>> but others use Super Duper. You will have  to use an older version, CCC 
>> 3.4.x, to handle Leopard.
>> 
>> 4) Run the install of Leopard again on your internal hard drive. All your 
>> data, application, and preference files will be preserved but system files 
>> will be refreshed.
>> 
>> I believe that once you have done all that, you can then proceed to deleting 
>> the sparse bundle and re-establishing Time Machine backups.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> ---
>> Carlo Margio
>> Real World Computing
>> 
>> mob: 0404 296 965
>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 23:08 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Carlo, tried that and at step 2) I get 
>>> 
>>> -bash: $: command not found
>>> 
>>> I think Terminal commands as you suggest might be needed given the state 
>>> the MB is in.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> On 03/08/2012, at 10:36 PM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Additional note. In step 4) you will be prompted for a password. Enter the 
 password for the Mac account you are logged in with.
 
 C
 
 ---
 Carlo Margio
 Real World Computing
 
 mob: 0404 296 965
 i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
 www.realworldcomputing.com.au
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 22:35 , wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> Perhaps Tims Macbook is still somehow associated with the old 
> sparsebundle, which because it has be semi-erased can no longer be 
> mounted.
> 
> I think you should nuke the old sparsebundle using Terminal if you can 
> and then using Time Machine preferences reselect the the Time Capsule for 
> you backups.
> 
> So to delete the sparse bundle proceed as follows.
> 
> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
> sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything 
> further in Finder.
> 2) In Terminal now do the following
> $ cd /Volumes/Data
> 

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok thanks for that Carlo, I understand what you're saying, I have a spare 150GB 
external drive, what format does it need setting as to create the clone? It is 
a 250GB Macbook with 180GB showing available in Finder, I think the 150GB is 
big enough for this cloning process. I will do a browse for the CCC 3.4.x 
version.

Thanks heaps for help here. 

Stay tuned - !

Regards

Pete



On 03/08/2012, at 11:20 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
> I have seen that condition before where bash is not installed. To rectify 
> things you need to reinstall the same version of OS X over the top of your 
> current install - I think you said it was OS X 10.5 Leopard. Take all the 
> usual precautions before the install. I'll give you a quick run down here but 
> if you need more detail on any step post back.
> 
> 1) In disk Utility verify disk and if necessary repair disk.
> 
> 2) Still in Disk Utility repair permissions.
> 
> 3) Because Time Machine is not working, find an external drive of sufficient 
> capacity and make a clone of you internal drive. I use Carbon Copy Cloner but 
> others use Super Duper. You will have  to use an older version, CCC 3.4.x, to 
> handle Leopard.
> 
> 4) Run the install of Leopard again on your internal hard drive. All your 
> data, application, and preference files will be preserved but system files 
> will be refreshed.
> 
> I believe that once you have done all that, you can then proceed to deleting 
> the sparse bundle and re-establishing Time Machine backups.
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> ---
> Carlo Margio
> Real World Computing
> 
> mob: 0404 296 965
> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 23:08 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Carlo, tried that and at step 2) I get 
>> 
>> -bash: $: command not found
>> 
>> I think Terminal commands as you suggest might be needed given the state the 
>> MB is in.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 10:36 PM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Additional note. In step 4) you will be prompted for a password. Enter the 
>>> password for the Mac account you are logged in with.
>>> 
>>> C
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Carlo Margio
>>> Real World Computing
>>> 
>>> mob: 0404 296 965
>>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
>>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
>>> 
>>> On 03/08/2012, at 22:35 , wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Perhaps Tims Macbook is still somehow associated with the old 
 sparsebundle, which because it has be semi-erased can no longer be mounted.
 
 I think you should nuke the old sparsebundle using Terminal if you can and 
 then using Time Machine preferences reselect the the Time Capsule for you 
 backups.
 
 So to delete the sparse bundle proceed as follows.
 
 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
 sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further 
 in Finder.
 2) In Terminal now do the following
 $ cd /Volumes/Data
 
 3) At this point type
 $ ls -l
 
 and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
 
 4) Still in terminal type
 $ sudo rm -rf 
 Where  is the name from step 3)
 
 Good luck!
 
 Carlo
 
 ---
 Carlo Margio
 Real World Computing
 
 mob: 0404 296 965
 i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
 www.realworldcomputing.com.au
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 22:22 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
 
> Hi Carlo, yes I am a big fan of rebooting all devices when all is quiet 
> and no data transfers or backup occuring. Just prior to me rebooting the 
> TC, Jo's Macbook and James' Macbook just completed their successful 
> hourly backups. so shortly after this was over I re-powered the TC AND 
> Tim's Macbook, just in case. but still no effect. I am very patient with 
> restarts too, to ensure full reboot has settled before commanding any 
> further actions - in case activity were to interrupt something important 
> settling.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 10:13 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Have you tried rebooting the Time Capsule itself. When none of your 
>> computers are backing up and it's quiet. Just unplug it, wait a few 
>> seconds and plug it back in. Alternatively you can reboot it from 
>> AirPort Utility but unplugging when it is idle works fine too.
>> 
>> Just for good measure. Reboot Tims Macbook at the same time.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> ---
>> Carlo Margio
>> Real World Computing
>> 
>> mob: 0404 296 965
>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 22:08 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macboo

Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

Hi Pete,

I have seen that condition before where bash is not installed. To rectify 
things you need to reinstall the same version of OS X over the top of your 
current install - I think you said it was OS X 10.5 Leopard. Take all the usual 
precautions before the install. I'll give you a quick run down here but if you 
need more detail on any step post back.

1) In disk Utility verify disk and if necessary repair disk.

2) Still in Disk Utility repair permissions.

3) Because Time Machine is not working, find an external drive of sufficient 
capacity and make a clone of you internal drive. I use Carbon Copy Cloner but 
others use Super Duper. You will have  to use an older version, CCC 3.4.x, to 
handle Leopard.

4) Run the install of Leopard again on your internal hard drive. All your data, 
application, and preference files will be preserved but system files will be 
refreshed.

I believe that once you have done all that, you can then proceed to deleting 
the sparse bundle and re-establishing Time Machine backups.

Regards,
Carlo

---
Carlo Margio
Real World Computing

mob: 0404 296 965
i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
www.realworldcomputing.com.au

On 03/08/2012, at 23:08 , Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Hi Carlo, tried that and at step 2) I get 
> 
> -bash: $: command not found
> 
> I think Terminal commands as you suggest might be needed given the state the 
> MB is in.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 10:36 PM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Additional note. In step 4) you will be prompted for a password. Enter the 
>> password for the Mac account you are logged in with.
>> 
>> C
>> 
>> ---
>> Carlo Margio
>> Real World Computing
>> 
>> mob: 0404 296 965
>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 22:35 , wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pete,
>>> 
>>> Perhaps Tims Macbook is still somehow associated with the old sparsebundle, 
>>> which because it has be semi-erased can no longer be mounted.
>>> 
>>> I think you should nuke the old sparsebundle using Terminal if you can and 
>>> then using Time Machine preferences reselect the the Time Capsule for you 
>>> backups.
>>> 
>>> So to delete the sparse bundle proceed as follows.
>>> 
>>> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder 
>>> sidebar. Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further 
>>> in Finder.
>>> 2) In Terminal now do the following
>>> $ cd /Volumes/Data
>>> 
>>> 3) At this point type
>>> $ ls -l
>>> 
>>> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
>>> 
>>> 4) Still in terminal type
>>> $ sudo rm -rf 
>>> Where  is the name from step 3)
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Carlo Margio
>>> Real World Computing
>>> 
>>> mob: 0404 296 965
>>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
>>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
>>> 
>>> On 03/08/2012, at 22:22 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Carlo, yes I am a big fan of rebooting all devices when all is quiet 
 and no data transfers or backup occuring. Just prior to me rebooting the 
 TC, Jo's Macbook and James' Macbook just completed their successful hourly 
 backups. so shortly after this was over I re-powered the TC AND Tim's 
 Macbook, just in case. but still no effect. I am very patient with 
 restarts too, to ensure full reboot has settled before commanding any 
 further actions - in case activity were to interrupt something important 
 settling.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 10:13 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Have you tried rebooting the Time Capsule itself. When none of your 
> computers are backing up and it's quiet. Just unplug it, wait a few 
> seconds and plug it back in. Alternatively you can reboot it from AirPort 
> Utility but unplugging when it is idle works fine too.
> 
> Just for good measure. Reboot Tims Macbook at the same time.
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> ---
> Carlo Margio
> Real World Computing
> 
> mob: 0404 296 965
> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 22:08 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is 
>> "Tims Macbook". I also tried to delete the "User User's" Sparesebundle 
>> and it says can't do that as "Bands" is still in use. I managed to get 
>> into "Bands" and was successful in deleting the contents of "Bands" but 
>> unable to delete the root folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably 
>> not relevant as I am hoping to create a new sparesebundle for "Tims 
>> Macbook" and kick off a whole new backup.
>> 
>> I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process 
>> to kick off but every time I re-run the process I get the message "The 
>> backup 

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Carlo, tried that and at step 2) I get 

-bash: $: command not found

I think Terminal commands as you suggest might be needed given the state the MB 
is in.

Regards

Pete

On 03/08/2012, at 10:36 PM, "wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au" 
 wrote:

> Additional note. In step 4) you will be prompted for a password. Enter the 
> password for the Mac account you are logged in with.
> 
> C
> 
> ---
> Carlo Margio
> Real World Computing
> 
> mob: 0404 296 965
> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 22:35 , wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pete,
>> 
>> Perhaps Tims Macbook is still somehow associated with the old sparsebundle, 
>> which because it has be semi-erased can no longer be mounted.
>> 
>> I think you should nuke the old sparsebundle using Terminal if you can and 
>> then using Time Machine preferences reselect the the Time Capsule for you 
>> backups.
>> 
>> So to delete the sparse bundle proceed as follows.
>> 
>> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder sidebar. 
>> Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further in Finder.
>> 2) In Terminal now do the following
>> $ cd /Volumes/Data
>> 
>> 3) At this point type
>> $ ls -l
>> 
>> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
>> 
>> 4) Still in terminal type
>> $ sudo rm -rf 
>> Where  is the name from step 3)
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> 
>> Carlo
>> 
>> ---
>> Carlo Margio
>> Real World Computing
>> 
>> mob: 0404 296 965
>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 22:22 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Carlo, yes I am a big fan of rebooting all devices when all is quiet and 
>>> no data transfers or backup occuring. Just prior to me rebooting the TC, 
>>> Jo's Macbook and James' Macbook just completed their successful hourly 
>>> backups. so shortly after this was over I re-powered the TC AND Tim's 
>>> Macbook, just in case. but still no effect. I am very patient with restarts 
>>> too, to ensure full reboot has settled before commanding any further 
>>> actions - in case activity were to interrupt something important settling.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 03/08/2012, at 10:13 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Have you tried rebooting the Time Capsule itself. When none of your 
 computers are backing up and it's quiet. Just unplug it, wait a few 
 seconds and plug it back in. Alternatively you can reboot it from AirPort 
 Utility but unplugging when it is idle works fine too.
 
 Just for good measure. Reboot Tims Macbook at the same time.
 
 Regards,
 Carlo
 
 ---
 Carlo Margio
 Real World Computing
 
 mob: 0404 296 965
 i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
 www.realworldcomputing.com.au
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 22:08 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
 
> Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is 
> "Tims Macbook". I also tried to delete the "User User's" Sparesebundle 
> and it says can't do that as "Bands" is still in use. I managed to get 
> into "Bands" and was successful in deleting the contents of "Bands" but 
> unable to delete the root folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably 
> not relevant as I am hoping to create a new sparesebundle for "Tims 
> Macbook" and kick off a whole new backup.
> 
> I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process to 
> kick off but every time I re-run the process I get the message "The 
> backup disc image could not be mounted". I was expecting to see the Time 
> capsule disc image on the desktop during the backup process (like the 
> other Macbooks) but it doesn't do that.
> 
> It needs a big stick to fully reset the need to start backup with Time 
> Machine. The "User's User" sparesbundle root folder still remains too.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete.
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 5:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny 
>> might be restricting it in Tim's Account.
>> 
>> Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you 
>> have to perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By 
>> default, Time Machine backs up all accounts. 
>> 
>> When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by 
>> their account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled 
>> account, for example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time 
>> Machine (though you, as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s 
>> limits, do what needs to be done, and then restore those limits). 
>> 
>> And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok. Well I hadn't then but I have now and retried the process with no 
difference to result.

Upon trying to move to trash the sparse bundle file, I get this error message.

"Sorry, the operation could not be completed because an unexpected error 
occurred. (Error code -50)"

I had this come up earlier prior to switching off the Time Machine.

I can't help thinking that there should be a new sparsebundle file creating 
itself which inherits the new computer name ie "Tim's MacBook". Is my thinking 
accurate?



Regards

Pete


On 03/08/2012, at 10:22 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> Did you turn OFF Time Machine before following my instructions to delete the 
> sparsebundle?
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 10:08 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is 
>> "Tims Macbook". I also tried to delete the "User User's" Sparesebundle and 
>> it says can't do that as "Bands" is still in use. I managed to get into 
>> "Bands" and was successful in deleting the contents of "Bands" but unable to 
>> delete the root folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably not relevant 
>> as I am hoping to create a new sparesebundle for "Tims Macbook" and kick off 
>> a whole new backup.
>> 
>> I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process to 
>> kick off but every time I re-run the process I get the message "The backup 
>> disc image could not be mounted". I was expecting to see the Time capsule 
>> disc image on the desktop during the backup process (like the other 
>> Macbooks) but it doesn't do that.
>> 
>> It needs a big stick to fully reset the need to start backup with Time 
>> Machine. The "User's User" sparesbundle root folder still remains too.
>> 
>> What am I missing?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 5:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny might 
>>> be restricting it in Tim's Account.
>>> 
>>> Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you have 
>>> to perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By default, 
>>> Time Machine backs up all accounts. 
>>> 
>>> When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by 
>>> their account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled 
>>> account, for example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time 
>>> Machine (though you, as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s 
>>> limits, do what needs to be done, and then restore those limits). 
>>> 
>>> And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files from 
>>> within Time Machine.
>>> (However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within 
>>> the Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges on 
>>> that folder to gain access.)
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.
 
 Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually 
 unsure how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few 
 chuckles by others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's 
 MacBook, there are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% 
 of the use of both boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. 
 The other 2% is for iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme 
 song and synch their apps from iPod Touch's they both have!
 
 Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which 
 works fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't 
 play (I forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to 
 use the Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny 
 (specific password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set 
 very HARD and that seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there 
 is some exposure he could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but 
 with Time Machine I can restore. 
 
 So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - 
 if I have the energy that is.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
 
> Hi Pete,
> 
>> Currently it is "User's User" and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
>> think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it
> 
> Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems 
> with Time Machine 
> 
> How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name "User's User"?
> What name does he have in System Preferences > Users & Groups ?
> 
>> For housekeeping, should I delete the "User's User" sparse bundle file?
> 
> Yes, delete the "User's U

Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

Additional note. In step 4) you will be prompted for a password. Enter the 
password for the Mac account you are logged in with.

C

---
Carlo Margio
Real World Computing

mob: 0404 296 965
i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
www.realworldcomputing.com.au

On 03/08/2012, at 22:35 , wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
> Perhaps Tims Macbook is still somehow associated with the old sparsebundle, 
> which because it has be semi-erased can no longer be mounted.
> 
> I think you should nuke the old sparsebundle using Terminal if you can and 
> then using Time Machine preferences reselect the the Time Capsule for you 
> backups.
> 
> So to delete the sparse bundle proceed as follows.
> 
> 1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder sidebar. 
> Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further in Finder.
> 2) In Terminal now do the following
> $ cd /Volumes/Data
> 
> 3) At this point type
> $ ls -l
> 
> and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called
> 
> 4) Still in terminal type
> $ sudo rm -rf 
> Where  is the name from step 3)
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Carlo
> 
> ---
> Carlo Margio
> Real World Computing
> 
> mob: 0404 296 965
> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 22:22 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Carlo, yes I am a big fan of rebooting all devices when all is quiet and 
>> no data transfers or backup occuring. Just prior to me rebooting the TC, 
>> Jo's Macbook and James' Macbook just completed their successful hourly 
>> backups. so shortly after this was over I re-powered the TC AND Tim's 
>> Macbook, just in case. but still no effect. I am very patient with restarts 
>> too, to ensure full reboot has settled before commanding any further actions 
>> - in case activity were to interrupt something important settling.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 10:13 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> Have you tried rebooting the Time Capsule itself. When none of your 
>>> computers are backing up and it's quiet. Just unplug it, wait a few seconds 
>>> and plug it back in. Alternatively you can reboot it from AirPort Utility 
>>> but unplugging when it is idle works fine too.
>>> 
>>> Just for good measure. Reboot Tims Macbook at the same time.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Carlo Margio
>>> Real World Computing
>>> 
>>> mob: 0404 296 965
>>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
>>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
>>> 
>>> On 03/08/2012, at 22:08 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is 
 "Tims Macbook". I also tried to delete the "User User's" Sparesebundle and 
 it says can't do that as "Bands" is still in use. I managed to get into 
 "Bands" and was successful in deleting the contents of "Bands" but unable 
 to delete the root folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably not 
 relevant as I am hoping to create a new sparesebundle for "Tims Macbook" 
 and kick off a whole new backup.
 
 I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process to 
 kick off but every time I re-run the process I get the message "The backup 
 disc image could not be mounted". I was expecting to see the Time capsule 
 disc image on the desktop during the backup process (like the other 
 Macbooks) but it doesn't do that.
 
 It needs a big stick to fully reset the need to start backup with Time 
 Machine. The "User's User" sparesbundle root folder still remains too.
 
 What am I missing?
 
 Regards
 
 Pete.
 
 
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 5:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny 
> might be restricting it in Tim's Account.
> 
> Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you 
> have to perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By 
> default, Time Machine backs up all accounts. 
> 
> When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by 
> their account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled 
> account, for example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time 
> Machine (though you, as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s 
> limits, do what needs to be done, and then restore those limits). 
> 
> And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files 
> from within Time Machine.
> (However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within 
> the Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges 
> on that folder to gain access.)
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all ton

Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

Hi Pete,

Perhaps Tims Macbook is still somehow associated with the old sparsebundle, 
which because it has be semi-erased can no longer be mounted.

I think you should nuke the old sparsebundle using Terminal if you can and then 
using Time Machine preferences reselect the the Time Capsule for you backups.

So to delete the sparse bundle proceed as follows.

1) In Finder mount the Time Capsule by clicking on it in the Finder sidebar. 
Navigate to the Data directory but no need to do anything further in Finder.
2) In Terminal now do the following
$ cd /Volumes/Data

3) At this point type
$ ls -l

and you should see User's.sparsebundle or whatever it is called

4) Still in terminal type
$ sudo rm -rf 
Where  is the name from step 3)

Good luck!

Carlo

---
Carlo Margio
Real World Computing

mob: 0404 296 965
i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
www.realworldcomputing.com.au

On 03/08/2012, at 22:22 , Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Hi Carlo, yes I am a big fan of rebooting all devices when all is quiet and 
> no data transfers or backup occuring. Just prior to me rebooting the TC, Jo's 
> Macbook and James' Macbook just completed their successful hourly backups. so 
> shortly after this was over I re-powered the TC AND Tim's Macbook, just in 
> case. but still no effect. I am very patient with restarts too, to ensure 
> full reboot has settled before commanding any further actions - in case 
> activity were to interrupt something important settling.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 10:13 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Have you tried rebooting the Time Capsule itself. When none of your 
>> computers are backing up and it's quiet. Just unplug it, wait a few seconds 
>> and plug it back in. Alternatively you can reboot it from AirPort Utility 
>> but unplugging when it is idle works fine too.
>> 
>> Just for good measure. Reboot Tims Macbook at the same time.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Carlo
>> 
>> ---
>> Carlo Margio
>> Real World Computing
>> 
>> mob: 0404 296 965
>> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
>> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 22:08 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is 
>>> "Tims Macbook". I also tried to delete the "User User's" Sparesebundle and 
>>> it says can't do that as "Bands" is still in use. I managed to get into 
>>> "Bands" and was successful in deleting the contents of "Bands" but unable 
>>> to delete the root folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably not 
>>> relevant as I am hoping to create a new sparesebundle for "Tims Macbook" 
>>> and kick off a whole new backup.
>>> 
>>> I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process to 
>>> kick off but every time I re-run the process I get the message "The backup 
>>> disc image could not be mounted". I was expecting to see the Time capsule 
>>> disc image on the desktop during the backup process (like the other 
>>> Macbooks) but it doesn't do that.
>>> 
>>> It needs a big stick to fully reset the need to start backup with Time 
>>> Machine. The "User's User" sparesbundle root folder still remains too.
>>> 
>>> What am I missing?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 03/08/2012, at 5:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny might 
 be restricting it in Tim's Account.
 
 Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you 
 have to perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By 
 default, Time Machine backs up all accounts. 
 
 When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by 
 their account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled 
 account, for example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time 
 Machine (though you, as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s 
 limits, do what needs to be done, and then restore those limits). 
 
 And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files from 
 within Time Machine.
 (However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within 
 the Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges 
 on that folder to gain access.)
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
 
> Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.
> 
> Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually 
> unsure how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few 
> chuckles by others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's 
> MacBook, there are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 
> 98% of the use of both boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game 
> Minecraft. The other 2% is for iTunes so they can play the West Coast 
>

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Hi Carlo, yes I am a big fan of rebooting all devices when all is quiet and no 
data transfers or backup occuring. Just prior to me rebooting the TC, Jo's 
Macbook and James' Macbook just completed their successful hourly backups. so 
shortly after this was over I re-powered the TC AND Tim's Macbook, just in 
case. but still no effect. I am very patient with restarts too, to ensure full 
reboot has settled before commanding any further actions - in case activity 
were to interrupt something important settling.

Regards

Pete



On 03/08/2012, at 10:13 PM, wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> Have you tried rebooting the Time Capsule itself. When none of your computers 
> are backing up and it's quiet. Just unplug it, wait a few seconds and plug it 
> back in. Alternatively you can reboot it from AirPort Utility but unplugging 
> when it is idle works fine too.
> 
> Just for good measure. Reboot Tims Macbook at the same time.
> 
> Regards,
> Carlo
> 
> ---
> Carlo Margio
> Real World Computing
> 
> mob: 0404 296 965
> i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
> www.realworldcomputing.com.au
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 22:08 , Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is 
>> "Tims Macbook". I also tried to delete the "User User's" Sparesebundle and 
>> it says can't do that as "Bands" is still in use. I managed to get into 
>> "Bands" and was successful in deleting the contents of "Bands" but unable to 
>> delete the root folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably not relevant 
>> as I am hoping to create a new sparesebundle for "Tims Macbook" and kick off 
>> a whole new backup.
>> 
>> I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process to 
>> kick off but every time I re-run the process I get the message "The backup 
>> disc image could not be mounted". I was expecting to see the Time capsule 
>> disc image on the desktop during the backup process (like the other 
>> Macbooks) but it doesn't do that.
>> 
>> It needs a big stick to fully reset the need to start backup with Time 
>> Machine. The "User's User" sparesbundle root folder still remains too.
>> 
>> What am I missing?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 5:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny might 
>>> be restricting it in Tim's Account.
>>> 
>>> Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you have 
>>> to perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By default, 
>>> Time Machine backs up all accounts. 
>>> 
>>> When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by 
>>> their account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled 
>>> account, for example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time 
>>> Machine (though you, as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s 
>>> limits, do what needs to be done, and then restore those limits). 
>>> 
>>> And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files from 
>>> within Time Machine.
>>> (However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within 
>>> the Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges on 
>>> that folder to gain access.)
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.
 
 Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually 
 unsure how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few 
 chuckles by others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's 
 MacBook, there are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% 
 of the use of both boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. 
 The other 2% is for iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme 
 song and synch their apps from iPod Touch's they both have!
 
 Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which 
 works fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't 
 play (I forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to 
 use the Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny 
 (specific password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set 
 very HARD and that seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there 
 is some exposure he could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but 
 with Time Machine I can restore. 
 
 So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - 
 if I have the energy that is.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
 
> Hi Pete,
> 
>> Currently it is "User's User" and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
>> think the apostrophe not being ASCII 

Re: Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Did you turn OFF Time Machine before following my instructions to delete the 
sparsebundle?

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 03/08/2012, at 10:08 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is 
> "Tims Macbook". I also tried to delete the "User User's" Sparesebundle and it 
> says can't do that as "Bands" is still in use. I managed to get into "Bands" 
> and was successful in deleting the contents of "Bands" but unable to delete 
> the root folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably not relevant as I am 
> hoping to create a new sparesebundle for "Tims Macbook" and kick off a whole 
> new backup.
> 
> I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process to 
> kick off but every time I re-run the process I get the message "The backup 
> disc image could not be mounted". I was expecting to see the Time capsule 
> disc image on the desktop during the backup process (like the other Macbooks) 
> but it doesn't do that.
> 
> It needs a big stick to fully reset the need to start backup with Time 
> Machine. The "User's User" sparesbundle root folder still remains too.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete.
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 5:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny might 
>> be restricting it in Tim's Account.
>> 
>> Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you have 
>> to perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By default, 
>> Time Machine backs up all accounts. 
>> 
>> When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by 
>> their account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled 
>> account, for example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time 
>> Machine (though you, as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s 
>> limits, do what needs to be done, and then restore those limits). 
>> 
>> And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files from 
>> within Time Machine.
>> (However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within 
>> the Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges on 
>> that folder to gain access.)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.
>>> 
>>> Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually 
>>> unsure how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few 
>>> chuckles by others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's 
>>> MacBook, there are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% 
>>> of the use of both boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. 
>>> The other 2% is for iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme 
>>> song and synch their apps from iPod Touch's they both have!
>>> 
>>> Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which 
>>> works fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't 
>>> play (I forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to 
>>> use the Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny 
>>> (specific password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set very 
>>> HARD and that seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there is 
>>> some exposure he could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but with 
>>> Time Machine I can restore. 
>>> 
>>> So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - if 
>>> I have the energy that is.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Pete,
 
> Currently it is "User's User" and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
> think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it
 
 Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems 
 with Time Machine 
 
 How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name "User's User"?
 What name does he have in System Preferences > Users & Groups ?
 
> For housekeeping, should I delete the "User's User" sparse bundle file?
 
 Yes, delete the "User's User" sparsebundle from Time Capsule. It possibly 
 does contain some data (therefore taking space)
 
 To delete the backups for one computer without disturbing anything else on 
 the Time Capsule's Internal Disk.
 1. Connect via Ethernet cable if possible as much faster than deleting via 
 Wi-Fi 
 2. Open Time Capsule under Shared in Finder Sidebar
 3. Click the Data folder
 4. You will now see a x.sparsebundle file for each of the computers 
 that have been backing up. 
 The file contains the name of the computer and the MAC address so you 
 should be able to easily identify the x.sparsebundle file that you 
 want to delete.

Re: Time Machine backup

[wa...@realworldcomputing.com.au]

Hi Peter,

Have you tried rebooting the Time Capsule itself. When none of your computers 
are backing up and it's quiet. Just unplug it, wait a few seconds and plug it 
back in. Alternatively you can reboot it from AirPort Utility but unplugging 
when it is idle works fine too.

Just for good measure. Reboot Tims Macbook at the same time.

Regards,
Carlo

---
Carlo Margio
Real World Computing

mob: 0404 296 965
i...@realworldcomputing.com.au
www.realworldcomputing.com.au

On 03/08/2012, at 22:08 , Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is 
> "Tims Macbook". I also tried to delete the "User User's" Sparesebundle and it 
> says can't do that as "Bands" is still in use. I managed to get into "Bands" 
> and was successful in deleting the contents of "Bands" but unable to delete 
> the root folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably not relevant as I am 
> hoping to create a new sparesebundle for "Tims Macbook" and kick off a whole 
> new backup.
> 
> I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process to 
> kick off but every time I re-run the process I get the message "The backup 
> disc image could not be mounted". I was expecting to see the Time capsule 
> disc image on the desktop during the backup process (like the other Macbooks) 
> but it doesn't do that.
> 
> It needs a big stick to fully reset the need to start backup with Time 
> Machine. The "User's User" sparesbundle root folder still remains too.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete.
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 5:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny might 
>> be restricting it in Tim's Account.
>> 
>> Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you have 
>> to perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By default, 
>> Time Machine backs up all accounts. 
>> 
>> When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by 
>> their account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled 
>> account, for example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time 
>> Machine (though you, as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s 
>> limits, do what needs to be done, and then restore those limits). 
>> 
>> And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files from 
>> within Time Machine.
>> (However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within 
>> the Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges on 
>> that folder to gain access.)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.
>>> 
>>> Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually 
>>> unsure how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few 
>>> chuckles by others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's 
>>> MacBook, there are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% 
>>> of the use of both boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. 
>>> The other 2% is for iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme 
>>> song and synch their apps from iPod Touch's they both have!
>>> 
>>> Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which 
>>> works fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't 
>>> play (I forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to 
>>> use the Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny 
>>> (specific password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set very 
>>> HARD and that seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there is 
>>> some exposure he could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but with 
>>> Time Machine I can restore. 
>>> 
>>> So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - if 
>>> I have the energy that is.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Pete,
 
> Currently it is "User's User" and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
> think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it
 
 Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems 
 with Time Machine 
 
 How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name "User's User"?
 What name does he have in System Preferences > Users & Groups ?
 
> For housekeeping, should I delete the "User's User" sparse bundle file?
 
 Yes, delete the "User's User" sparsebundle from Time Capsule. It possibly 
 does contain some data (therefore taking space)
 
 To delete the backups for one computer without disturbing anything else on 
 the Time Capsule's Internal Disk.
 1. Connect via Ethernet cable if possible as much faster than deleting via 
 Wi-Fi 
 2. Open Time Capsule

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, this is testing me a bit. I have renamed Tims Macbook so username is "Tims 
Macbook". I also tried to delete the "User User's" Sparesebundle and it says 
can't do that as "Bands" is still in use. I managed to get into "Bands" and was 
successful in deleting the contents of "Bands" but unable to delete the root 
folder for the sparesebundle. That is probably not relevant as I am hoping to 
create a new sparesebundle for "Tims Macbook" and kick off a whole new backup.

I've unmounted the Timecapsule many times and reset the backup process to kick 
off but every time I re-run the process I get the message "The backup disc 
image could not be mounted". I was expecting to see the Time capsule disc image 
on the desktop during the backup process (like the other Macbooks) but it 
doesn't do that.

It needs a big stick to fully reset the need to start backup with Time Machine. 
The "User's User" sparesbundle root folder still remains too.

What am I missing?

Regards

Pete.



On 03/08/2012, at 5:52 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny might be 
> restricting it in Tim's Account.
> 
> Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you have 
> to perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By default, 
> Time Machine backs up all accounts. 
> 
> When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by their 
> account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled account, for 
> example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time Machine (though 
> you, as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s limits, do what 
> needs to be done, and then restore those limits). 
> 
> And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files from 
> within Time Machine.
> (However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within the 
> Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges on that 
> folder to gain access.)
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.
>> 
>> Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually 
>> unsure how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few 
>> chuckles by others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's 
>> MacBook, there are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% 
>> of the use of both boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. The 
>> other 2% is for iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme song and 
>> synch their apps from iPod Touch's they both have!
>> 
>> Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which works 
>> fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't play (I 
>> forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to use the 
>> Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny (specific 
>> password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set very HARD and 
>> that seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there is some 
>> exposure he could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but with Time 
>> Machine I can restore. 
>> 
>> So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - if 
>> I have the energy that is.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Pete,
>>> 
 Currently it is "User's User" and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
 think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it
>>> 
>>> Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems 
>>> with Time Machine 
>>> 
>>> How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name "User's User"?
>>> What name does he have in System Preferences > Users & Groups ?
>>> 
 For housekeeping, should I delete the "User's User" sparse bundle file?
>>> 
>>> Yes, delete the "User's User" sparsebundle from Time Capsule. It possibly 
>>> does contain some data (therefore taking space)
>>> 
>>> To delete the backups for one computer without disturbing anything else on 
>>> the Time Capsule's Internal Disk.
>>> 1. Connect via Ethernet cable if possible as much faster than deleting via 
>>> Wi-Fi 
>>> 2. Open Time Capsule under Shared in Finder Sidebar
>>> 3. Click the Data folder
>>> 4. You will now see a x.sparsebundle file for each of the computers 
>>> that have been backing up. 
>>> The file contains the name of the computer and the MAC address so you 
>>> should be able to easily identify the x.sparsebundle file that you want 
>>> to delete.
>>> 5. Click the x.sparsebundle file to highlight it and then click the 
>>> 'Gear' shaped icon just above and select 'Move to Trash'.
>>> 
>>> NOTE: Be very careful since you will not be able to retrieve the file if 
>>> you make a mistake and delete the wrong file.
>>> 
>>> After it has deleted everything 

Re: Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Minecraft is probably setup to Run as Administrator.  Also Net Nanny might be 
restricting it in Tim's Account.

Time Machine backups As an administrator, there’s no special magic you have to 
perform to back up all the User Accounts using Time Machine. By default, Time 
Machine backs up all accounts. 

When restoring data from a Time Machine backup, each user is limited by their 
account’s privileges. With a locked down parentally controlled account, for 
example, that account’s user won’t be able to access Time Machine (though you, 
as an administrator, can by modifying the account’s limits, do what needs to be 
done, and then restore those limits). 

And no user can access the contents of another user’s backed up files from 
within Time Machine.
(However, an administrator can browse a Time Machine backup folder within the 
Finder, navigate to another user’s folder, and change the privileges on that 
folder to gain access.)

Cheers,
Ronni

On 03/08/2012, at 5:18 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.
> 
> Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually 
> unsure how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few 
> chuckles by others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's 
> MacBook, there are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% of 
> the use of both boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. The 
> other 2% is for iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme song and 
> synch their apps from iPod Touch's they both have!
> 
> Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which works 
> fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't play (I 
> forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to use the 
> Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny (specific 
> password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set very HARD and 
> that seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there is some exposure 
> he could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but with Time Machine I 
> can restore. 
> 
> So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - if I 
> have the energy that is.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Pete,
>> 
>>> Currently it is "User's User" and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
>>> think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it
>> 
>> Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems 
>> with Time Machine 
>> 
>> How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name "User's User"?
>> What name does he have in System Preferences > Users & Groups ?
>> 
>>> For housekeeping, should I delete the "User's User" sparse bundle file?
>> 
>> Yes, delete the "User's User" sparsebundle from Time Capsule. It possibly 
>> does contain some data (therefore taking space)
>> 
>> To delete the backups for one computer without disturbing anything else on 
>> the Time Capsule's Internal Disk.
>> 1. Connect via Ethernet cable if possible as much faster than deleting via 
>> Wi-Fi 
>> 2. Open Time Capsule under Shared in Finder Sidebar
>> 3. Click the Data folder
>> 4. You will now see a x.sparsebundle file for each of the computers that 
>> have been backing up. 
>>  The file contains the name of the computer and the MAC address so you 
>> should be able to easily identify the x.sparsebundle file that you want 
>> to delete.
>> 5. Click the x.sparsebundle file to highlight it and then click the 
>> 'Gear' shaped icon just above and select 'Move to Trash'.
>> 
>> NOTE: Be very careful since you will not be able to retrieve the file if you 
>> make a mistake and delete the wrong file.
>> 
>> After it has deleted everything contained in the sparsebundle; setup Time 
>> Machine in System Preferences > Select Disk  and let Time Machine backup the 
>> MacBook
>> 
>>> Also, is a Time Machine backup a 'whole computer' backup or is it account 
>>> specific?
>> 
>> Time Machine backups the complete system UNLESS you have chosen to exclude 
>> any items from backups.
>> You need a full backup of the system in case you ever need to do a full 
>> Restore.
>> 
>> Do you have more than one User Account on any of the MacBooks?
>> If so post back and I'll explain more.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 03/08/2012, at 6:36 AM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Ronni, I can see I have at least one issue to resolve- the computers 
>>> name. Currently it is "User's User" and that by the way is not my sons 
>>> name! I think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it. By contrast the 
>>> other two MacBooks are properly named after their user.
>>> 
>>> So I will follow your instructions to correct that tonight when I'm home 
>>> again.
>>> 
>>> The other issue I don't see an immediate solution for is my inability to 
>>> "unmount" the disc image, there is no Eject t

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, thanks for all that Ronni, I'll go through this all tonight I hope.

Just to expand a little more on accounts and machine name, I am actually unsure 
how User's User came about, yes embarrassing I know, I bet a few chuckles by 
others, me included. In any case I'll sort that out. On Tim's MacBook, there 
are two accounts, one for Tim, the other Administrator. 98% of the use of both 
boys MacBooks is to play a confounded game Minecraft. The other 2% is for 
iTunes so they can play the West Coast Eagles theme song and synch their apps 
from iPod Touch's they both have!

Anyway, Tim's account is set up with Parental Controls (he's 9), which works 
fine, but for some reason I never fully explored, Minecraft won't play (I 
forget the error message) under Tim's account, so I permit him to use the 
Administrator account - with me doing the login. We have Net Nanny (specific 
password controlled) on all Macbooks for content control set very HARD and that 
seems to give the requisite regulation. I suppose there is some exposure he 
could corrupt something with his Admin privileges but with Time Machine I can 
restore. 

So maybe I should explore why Tim's account prevents Minecraft running - if I 
have the energy that is.

Regards

Pete

On 03/08/2012, at 12:37 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
>> Currently it is "User's User" and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
>> think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it
> 
> Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems 
> with Time Machine 
> 
> How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name "User's User"?
> What name does he have in System Preferences > Users & Groups ?
> 
>> For housekeeping, should I delete the "User's User" sparse bundle file?
> 
> Yes, delete the "User's User" sparsebundle from Time Capsule. It possibly 
> does contain some data (therefore taking space)
> 
> To delete the backups for one computer without disturbing anything else on 
> the Time Capsule's Internal Disk.
> 1. Connect via Ethernet cable if possible as much faster than deleting via 
> Wi-Fi 
> 2. Open Time Capsule under Shared in Finder Sidebar
> 3. Click the Data folder
> 4. You will now see a x.sparsebundle file for each of the computers that 
> have been backing up. 
>The file contains the name of the computer and the MAC address so you 
> should be able to easily identify the x.sparsebundle file that you want 
> to delete.
> 5. Click the x.sparsebundle file to highlight it and then click the 
> 'Gear' shaped icon just above and select 'Move to Trash'.
> 
> NOTE: Be very careful since you will not be able to retrieve the file if you 
> make a mistake and delete the wrong file.
> 
> After it has deleted everything contained in the sparsebundle; setup Time 
> Machine in System Preferences > Select Disk  and let Time Machine backup the 
> MacBook
> 
>> Also, is a Time Machine backup a 'whole computer' backup or is it account 
>> specific?
> 
> Time Machine backups the complete system UNLESS you have chosen to exclude 
> any items from backups.
> You need a full backup of the system in case you ever need to do a full 
> Restore.
> 
> Do you have more than one User Account on any of the MacBooks?
> If so post back and I'll explain more.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 03/08/2012, at 6:36 AM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Ronni, I can see I have at least one issue to resolve- the computers 
>> name. Currently it is "User's User" and that by the way is not my sons name! 
>> I think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it. By contrast the other 
>> two MacBooks are properly named after their user.
>> 
>> So I will follow your instructions to correct that tonight when I'm home 
>> again.
>> 
>> The other issue I don't see an immediate solution for is my inability to 
>> "unmount" the disc image, there is no Eject triangle next to "Time Capsule" 
>> in the Finder side bar and nor does it appear on the Desktop. Maybe this 
>> won't matter when the name is resolved as there was never a backup in place 
>> from which to continue from it seems. I fully expect a first time backup is 
>> needed.
>> 
>> For housekeeping, should I delete the "User's User" sparse bundle file?
>> 
>> Also, is a Time Machine backup a 'whole computer' backup or is it account 
>> specific?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> On 02/08/2012, at 10:00 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> Just a quick reply before I shutdown from computer work for the day.
>>> 
>>> First, it is important to distinguish this error message from another, 
>>> similar Time Machine error that states “The backup volume could not be 
>>> mounted”. This is important as the causes and cures for these two errors 
>>> can be very different.
>>> 
>>> *Unmount the Backup Disk Image* (TC)
>>> If, for some reason, you have manually mounted the Time Machine backup disk 
>>> image (sparsebundle), or Time Machine failed to eject it after the previous 
>>> backup, subsequent backups

Re: Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Pete,

> Currently it is "User's User" and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
> think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it

Yes, having any punctuation mark in Computer Name can/will cause problems with 
Time Machine 

How on earth did your son's MacBook get the name "User's User"?
What name does he have in System Preferences > Users & Groups ?

> For housekeeping, should I delete the "User's User" sparse bundle file?

Yes, delete the "User's User" sparsebundle from Time Capsule. It possibly does 
contain some data (therefore taking space)
 
To delete the backups for one computer without disturbing anything else on the 
Time Capsule's Internal Disk.
1. Connect via Ethernet cable if possible as much faster than deleting via 
Wi-Fi 
2. Open Time Capsule under Shared in Finder Sidebar
3. Click the Data folder
4. You will now see a x.sparsebundle file for each of the computers that 
have been backing up. 
The file contains the name of the computer and the MAC address so you 
should be able to easily identify the x.sparsebundle file that you want to 
delete.
5. Click the x.sparsebundle file to highlight it and then click the 'Gear' 
shaped icon just above and select 'Move to Trash'.

NOTE: Be very careful since you will not be able to retrieve the file if you 
make a mistake and delete the wrong file.

After it has deleted everything contained in the sparsebundle; setup Time 
Machine in System Preferences > Select Disk  and let Time Machine backup the 
MacBook

> Also, is a Time Machine backup a 'whole computer' backup or is it account 
> specific?

Time Machine backups the complete system UNLESS you have chosen to exclude any 
items from backups.
You need a full backup of the system in case you ever need to do a full Restore.

Do you have more than one User Account on any of the MacBooks?
If so post back and I'll explain more.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 03/08/2012, at 6:36 AM, Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Thanks Ronni, I can see I have at least one issue to resolve- the computers 
> name. Currently it is "User's User" and that by the way is not my sons name! 
> I think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it. By contrast the other 
> two MacBooks are properly named after their user.
> 
> So I will follow your instructions to correct that tonight when I'm home 
> again.
> 
> The other issue I don't see an immediate solution for is my inability to 
> "unmount" the disc image, there is no Eject triangle next to "Time Capsule" 
> in the Finder side bar and nor does it appear on the Desktop. Maybe this 
> won't matter when the name is resolved as there was never a backup in place 
> from which to continue from it seems. I fully expect a first time backup is 
> needed.
> 
> For housekeeping, should I delete the "User's User" sparse bundle file?
> 
> Also, is a Time Machine backup a 'whole computer' backup or is it account 
> specific?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete
> 
> On 02/08/2012, at 10:00 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Just a quick reply before I shutdown from computer work for the day.
>> 
>> First, it is important to distinguish this error message from another, 
>> similar Time Machine error that states “The backup volume could not be 
>> mounted”. This is important as the causes and cures for these two errors can 
>> be very different.
>> 
>> *Unmount the Backup Disk Image* (TC)
>> If, for some reason, you have manually mounted the Time Machine backup disk 
>> image (sparsebundle), or Time Machine failed to eject it after the previous 
>> backup, subsequent backups may fail. (Console - “Failed to mount disk 
>> image”… “Backup failed with error: 21”)
>> 
>> Eject the backup disk image (sparsebundle) by either clicking the little 
>> Eject icon to the right of the disk image in the Finders’ Sidebar, or 
>> Ctrl-Click the drive icon on the desktop and select “Eject” from the 
>> contextual menu. Now try backing up again or launching Time Machine to view 
>> previous backups.
>> 
>> *Proper Computer Name* #
>> Make sure your computer has a proper name. Go to System Preferences > 
>> Sharing. Time Machine needs to differentiate your computer from others on 
>> your network (i.e. "Bills MacBook" or "Office iMac"). If the "Computer Name" 
>> field is blank, create a name. Realise that if this step is necessary, you 
>> will likely have to start the Time Machine backup process over again and do 
>> another full initial backup.
>> 
>> Time Machine may experience problems if your computer name includes certain 
>> characters. Make sure the computer name only includes ASCII characters from 
>> the following set. 
>> 
>> (0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ)
>> 
>> Once a change in the computer name occurs, you should stop and restart 
>> Sharing on the affected computer. Uncheck and then recheck Sharing in the 
>> Services list on the left.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 02/08/2012, at 9:08 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, I have

Re: Time Machine backup

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks Ronni, I can see I have at least one issue to resolve- the computers 
name. Currently it is "User's User" and that by the way is not my sons name! I 
think the apostrophe not being ASCII will throw it. By contrast the other two 
MacBooks are properly named after their user.

So I will follow your instructions to correct that tonight when I'm home again.

The other issue I don't see an immediate solution for is my inability to 
"unmount" the disc image, there is no Eject triangle next to "Time Capsule" in 
the Finder side bar and nor does it appear on the Desktop. Maybe this won't 
matter when the name is resolved as there was never a backup in place from 
which to continue from it seems. I fully expect a first time backup is needed.

For housekeeping, should I delete the "User's User" sparse bundle file?

Also, is a Time Machine backup a 'whole computer' backup or is it account 
specific?

Regards

Pete

On 02/08/2012, at 10:00 PM, Ronda Brown  wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> Just a quick reply before I shutdown from computer work for the day.
> 
> First, it is important to distinguish this error message from another, 
> similar Time Machine error that states “The backup volume could not be 
> mounted”. This is important as the causes and cures for these two errors can 
> be very different.
> 
> *Unmount the Backup Disk Image* (TC)
> If, for some reason, you have manually mounted the Time Machine backup disk 
> image (sparsebundle), or Time Machine failed to eject it after the previous 
> backup, subsequent backups may fail. (Console - “Failed to mount disk image”… 
> “Backup failed with error: 21”)
> 
> Eject the backup disk image (sparsebundle) by either clicking the little 
> Eject icon to the right of the disk image in the Finders’ Sidebar, or 
> Ctrl-Click the drive icon on the desktop and select “Eject” from the 
> contextual menu. Now try backing up again or launching Time Machine to view 
> previous backups.
> 
> *Proper Computer Name* #
> Make sure your computer has a proper name. Go to System Preferences > 
> Sharing. Time Machine needs to differentiate your computer from others on 
> your network (i.e. "Bills MacBook" or "Office iMac"). If the "Computer Name" 
> field is blank, create a name. Realise that if this step is necessary, you 
> will likely have to start the Time Machine backup process over again and do 
> another full initial backup.
> 
> Time Machine may experience problems if your computer name includes certain 
> characters. Make sure the computer name only includes ASCII characters from 
> the following set. 
> 
> (0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ)
> 
> Once a change in the computer name occurs, you should stop and restart 
> Sharing on the affected computer. Uncheck and then recheck Sharing in the 
> Services list on the left.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 02/08/2012, at 9:08 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, I have 3 Macbooks in my house all attached to a Time Capsule for backing 
>> up. One (MB1) has been backing up VERY reliably since 2009 when it was first 
>> attached, the other two (MB2 and MB3) I thought were backing up reliably 
>> since their connection in early 2012 but on closer inspection, it is not the 
>> case.
>> 
>> MB1 is an SL (10.6.8) White Macbook, the other two are both 10.5.8 (Leopard) 
>> Black Macbooks.
>> 
>> Connection was easy when MB2 and MB3 were attached and I thought they were 
>> backing up reliably ever since they were connected and I was confident as 
>> MB1 was so reliable.
>> 
>> Just the other day I noticed MB2 was not backing up so I took interest to 
>> watch it go through the process. It starts by "preparing backup" then 
>> responds with "The backup disc image could not be mounted". In Finder on MB2 
>> I am able to see "Time Capsule" in the devices panel, but when selected, 
>> the sparesebundle does not appear as they do when doing this on the other 
>> two MB's. The "Modified" date on the MB2 Sparesebundle when checked from the 
>> other MB's is in fact the same date it was fist set up - so it's done 
>> nothing the whole time since January 2012.
>> 
>> How do I reset it to effectively start from scratch - as no backups have 
>> occurred in any case, there is no backup to loose. I done some navigating 
>> around to try it all over but still no effect.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pete.
>> 
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Re: Time Machine backup

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Just a quick reply before I shutdown from computer work for the day.

First, it is important to distinguish this error message from another, similar 
Time Machine error that states “The backup volume could not be mounted”. This 
is important as the causes and cures for these two errors can be very different.

*Unmount the Backup Disk Image* (TC)
If, for some reason, you have manually mounted the Time Machine backup disk 
image (sparsebundle), or Time Machine failed to eject it after the previous 
backup, subsequent backups may fail. (Console - “Failed to mount disk image”… 
“Backup failed with error: 21”)

Eject the backup disk image (sparsebundle) by either clicking the little Eject 
icon to the right of the disk image in the Finders’ Sidebar, or Ctrl-Click the 
drive icon on the desktop and select “Eject” from the contextual menu. Now try 
backing up again or launching Time Machine to view previous backups.

*Proper Computer Name* #
Make sure your computer has a proper name. Go to System Preferences > Sharing. 
Time Machine needs to differentiate your computer from others on your network 
(i.e. "Bills MacBook" or "Office iMac"). If the "Computer Name" field is blank, 
create a name. Realise that if this step is necessary, you will likely have to 
start the Time Machine backup process over again and do another full initial 
backup.

Time Machine may experience problems if your computer name includes certain 
characters. Make sure the computer name only includes ASCII characters from the 
following set. 

(0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ)

Once a change in the computer name occurs, you should stop and restart Sharing 
on the affected computer. Uncheck and then recheck Sharing in the Services list 
on the left.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 02/08/2012, at 9:08 PM, Peter Crisp  wrote:

> Hi, I have 3 Macbooks in my house all attached to a Time Capsule for backing 
> up. One (MB1) has been backing up VERY reliably since 2009 when it was first 
> attached, the other two (MB2 and MB3) I thought were backing up reliably 
> since their connection in early 2012 but on closer inspection, it is not the 
> case.
> 
> MB1 is an SL (10.6.8) White Macbook, the other two are both 10.5.8 (Leopard) 
> Black Macbooks.
> 
> Connection was easy when MB2 and MB3 were attached and I thought they were 
> backing up reliably ever since they were connected and I was confident as MB1 
> was so reliable.
> 
> Just the other day I noticed MB2 was not backing up so I took interest to 
> watch it go through the process. It starts by "preparing backup" then 
> responds with "The backup disc image could not be mounted". In Finder on MB2 
> I am able to see "Time Capsule" in the devices panel, but when selected, 
> the sparesebundle does not appear as they do when doing this on the other two 
> MB's. The "Modified" date on the MB2 Sparesebundle when checked from the 
> other MB's is in fact the same date it was fist set up - so it's done nothing 
> the whole time since January 2012.
> 
> How do I reset it to effectively start from scratch - as no backups have 
> occurred in any case, there is no backup to loose. I done some navigating 
> around to try it all over but still no effect.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Pete.
> 

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Re: Time Machine backup to Network Drive

[Martin Hill]

If you have a Mac running Leopard Server nearby you can also enable  
Time Machine backups on one of its volumes and then backup to that  
over the network.


I'm doing that currently (though trying to back up 150GBs over the LAN  
is damn slow!)


There is also a hack to enable backing up to any network volume.   
Execute the command:
“defaults write com.apple.systempreferences  
TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1″ in a terminal.


...and you can then select any network volume as a time Machine  
destination.


Or if you want a more user friendly option, use iTimeMachine:

http://lifehacker.com/341704/time-machine-over-the-network-with-itimemachine

just be aware that this hack is unsupported by Apple, so there may be  
reliability issues with these hacks (read the issues people have had  
in the comments).


-Mart

On 05/02/2008, at 11:30 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote:


Can you use Time Machine to backup to a network drive?

Thanks in advance, Chris Griffiths

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Re: Time Machine backup to Network Drive

[Brett Robinson]

Hi Chris,

Or alternatively you could wait a week or two and purchase a Time
Capsule from Apple. I saw them a couple of weeks ago whilst at MacWorld
and they look very nice!

Essentially this is a Airport Extreme wireless base station with an
in-built either 500Gb or 1 Terabyte hard drive. This will then allow you
to backup either over gigabit ethernet or wirelessly over 802.11n using
Time machine. The drive also appears as a shared network hard drive for
both Mac and Windows clients, along with being a Wireless N access
point.

More info and pricing here:

http://store.apple.com/133-622/WebObjects/australiastore.woa/wa/RSLID?mc
o=AE567205&fnode=home/shop_mac/mac_accessories/airport_wireless&nplm=MB2
76X/A


Regards,

Brett

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On 05/02/2008, at 11:30 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote:

> Can you use Time Machine to backup to a network drive?
>
> Thanks in advance, Chris Griffiths

Hi Chris,

I haven't tried iTimeMachine, it might be worth a try.
<http://lifehacker.com/341704/time-machine-over-the-network-with-itimema
chine
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Or, one of the ways here:
<http://www.macworld.com/article/131841/2008/01/multiplebackup.html>

Cheers,
Ronni

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Re: Time Machine backup to Network Drive

[Ronda Brown]

On 05/02/2008, at 11:30 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote:


Can you use Time Machine to backup to a network drive?

Thanks in advance, Chris Griffiths


Hi Chris,

I haven't tried iTimeMachine, it might be worth a try.



Or, one of the ways here:


Cheers,
Ronni

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Re: Time Machine backup to Network Drive

[Chris Griffiths]

Then is it possible to backup to a Firewire drive from a Network  
Drive. In other words, if I am saving to a network drive for my work  
can that work be backed up by Time Machine to a 'normal' drive?


Thanks.

Chris griffiths

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On 05/02/2008, at 10:30 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote:


Can you use Time Machine to backup to a network drive?


Don't think so...If you could I'd have bought a copy of Leopard by  
now :-(






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[Stewart Woods]

On 05/02/2008, at 10:30 AM, Chris Griffiths wrote:


Can you use Time Machine to backup to a network drive?


Don't think so...If you could I'd have bought a copy of Leopard by  
now :-(



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Can you use Time Machine to backup to a network drive?

Thanks in advance, Chris Griffiths

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