Re: [wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing - Personal note

[Drew Trusz]

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Linda Cole  wrote:
> Hi Gang,
>
> I just wanted to say I've enjoyed working with you all over the years and
> I'm going to miss you.  Best of luck in all of your endeavors.
>
> Thanks,
> Linda
>
>
> --
> lc...@internet.com
> 615-789-5944
>
Sorry to see the list go. It has been a great help over the years.
Good luck Linda and everyone else.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Introductions

[Drew Trusz]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Zachary Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Peter.  Does anyone know how many users there are on this list?
>  My wife just joined a mailing list for lawyers and there are
> thousands of active readers.  It reminded me what I used to like about
> mailing lists.  I especially like the way gmail formats the threads vs
> the way outlook or other mail readers do it.
>
> So far there seem to be more UK members on the two lists I have joined
> in the past couple of days.  Is that my imagination?
>
> Zach
>

It's been a quiet list for awhile now but there is a lot of expertise
on here. Shelia is a php wiz. Rudy either invented sql or was weaned
on it. Peter , Riva and I can add odd bits here and there..

I'm from Maryland

drew

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Re: RE:[wdvltalk] shtml in firefox

[Drew Trusz]

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:36 AM, joseph harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: "Furry, Tim"
>
> Joseph wrote:
> So I have turned to using my own early css work and adapting it.
> IE seems proud and happy to show the site and I have started making the
> changes needed.  However it seems unhappy with Javascript.
>
> The great Firefox merely shows the source! This is the document statement
>  "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd";>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Tim responds:
> First, try upgrading your doctype to this:
>
>"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd";>
>
> (see http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/loosedtd.html)
>
> I don't think the 4.0 Transitional DTD is even valid anymore.
>
Joseph, if you are not getting the "error rendering this directive"
type message then the server side include does not seem to be
functioning on  the web server.Even if you path statements are wrong,
and I'm not saying they are, you would get the processing error
message.

Are you wanting to do these includes through php not shtml?  php
includes are different.

Is the web server yours? Or is this a hosted environment? If the
latter, then you should speak to the tech folks and ask them what is
happening. You can't get much more authoritative than the Apache
tutorial for adding ssi to Apache.

Good WAMP package and instructions are found at:

http://www.wampserver.com/en/index.php

drew

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Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [wdvltalk] Some help please - javascript and css

[Drew Trusz]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for looking at it again.
>
> I rebuilt this website from the first version (which someone else created) -
> the site took 10+ seconds to load on DSL! I used the original graphics, etc.
> but did rework the Flash.
>
> Any idea on the errors that pop up in IE?
>
> Thanks,
> Riva
>
Still don't see any errors thrown in IE6. Only problem I see are with
the horizontal menu. Nothing with the Navigate. I don't see any jumps.
The top level item slides a fraction left as the submenu appears but
that looks good not at all like an error.Nothing is jumping at all.

It a very good remake of the site. Much cleaner code.

drew

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Re: [Bulk] Re: [wdvltalk] Some help please - javascript and css

[Drew Trusz]

On 8/13/08, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Drew,
>
> Thank you for the reply and the feedback. The only page that I coded is that
> one that I gave a link to - the rest are the old pages. I will read through
> your e-mail again when I am a little more awake!!
>
> Thanks,
> Riva
>
Poking at it slowly. The horizontal menu issue comes from
menu_back_off.jpg being only 100px wide so it is too short for some of
the links.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Some help please - javascript and css

[Drew Trusz]

On 8/12/08, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I did a website for someone but find two persistent problems that I cannot
> figure out. One is on the drop down menu on the left side - it is a
> Slashdot-type menu, but the menu items that don't have sub items still
> "drop" a little when clicked on. Second is the errors I get (in IE). I tried
> using a JavaScript debugger but got nowhere. Any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> The page (only this page) is here:
> http://www.legacyfoundation1.org.
>

Browsers used: IE6, FF3.0.1, Opera 9.51 all on xp. There is a firewall
which sometimes causes funky results so I wouldn't worry too much here
unless somebody else confirms what I see.

Don't see a drop. The left "Navigate" items move a little because of
the change in the icon but that's a left-right movement. In FF the
menu doesn't reset if you go to "Adversity" and return via the back
arrow. Does fine in the other two.

But there are a number of other issues. The foundation1 page, that you
asked about has problems with the tabs  for the horizontal main
menu.The headings such as "Our Philosophy" are longer than the tabs so
the background showson the right end. The tabs don't cover the entire
width of any of the spaces between the vetical separators. Compared to
other pages the text is too far left.  And none of the tabs produce
the sub-menu in IE6. The other two browsers to get the submenu.

In Opera, the flash next to the logo is actually below the logo but
above the horizontal menu. It creates a whole new space for itself.
The mahagony box (if that is the color) is there; it is just empty.

In FF the submenus apprear across the face of the main horizontal menu
on pages other than your problem page.

Companing code on the problem page and others is interesting. Only 11
html errors and most of those are flash related (which says all that
needs to be said about flash and standards) and 4 css error. Two of
the errors involve the use of illegal negative padding on div.sdmenu
and div.sdmenu div a. Killing both seems to make no visible difference
in FF. Can't be sure of the effects elsewhere.

formmail! Oh I hope it is at least the more secure version not Matt's.

Deprecated elements. Tables.

The DW generated page "Our Philospohy" on the other hand has 231
errors and 33 warning for html and 4 css errors. Just hate it when the
errors are intricate enough to make it all work; including the 5 style
sheets courtesy of DW.

Can't find a quick solution to the horizontal bar. I'm curious to see
if this is just the firewall here that causes it or if others see the
same issues. I'll check later when I don't have the firewall to
contend with.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Kaspersky problems - or maybe not... maybe!

[Drew Trusz]

Have you checked their respective knowledge bases yet? Forums?

Do we have a case of dueling tools here? ZA Pro also includes av. Was
the entire Pro suite operational? How was the isp reached? Browser?
ftp client?

Treat this like it was a new machine never before networked. Check all
the basic configurations including browser settings and mail. Install
ZA Pro as it was installed. If you don't know that, do the default
install paying careful attention to what is installed. If that
restores connectivity beyond the isp, try the Kaspersky again.  If
not, got a backup copy?

If the problem recurs then you are going to have to disable some parts
of one or the other products until you get a workable arrangement.
Multiple av still seems a dicey proposition.

drew


On 2/27/08, joseph harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Something has caused a problem - not directly for me happily.
> Kaspersky AV appears to have caused disruption and prevented
> access to the net, even though logging in to the ISP works.
> Zone Alarm Pro was the firewall.
>
> There was an attempt to install Kaspersky suite which installed
> and may have configured but still no access to the net [for
> anything].Zone and the AV were uninstalled first of course.
>
> Any thoughts about how much trouble lies ahead to sort this out,
> and even more so, how to do that?   It is Wndoze Xp SP2 of course
> on a Dell Inspiron 1000 laptop.
>
> All help appreciated and TIA as ever
>
> Joseph
>
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Re: [wdvltalk] Beginning website developer

[Drew Trusz]

On 2/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello I'm currently in college and I am learning to be a web developer or what
> they call a Internet specialist and I hope to get more advice and tips from
> experienced developers.
>
> thank you
>
As David said, welcome.

The list is quiet these days. That may be an advantage for you. If you
ask a question it will get a lot of attention. That may even be
helpful.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] dsk files (zip) - how do I install the program?

[Drew Trusz]

On 10/31/07, joseph harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: "PBC Web Design"

> >I have zips of .dsk files.  [I made the mistake
> >of not having a floppy drive in this computer,
> >though I have floppies for the prog.]   How can
> >I turn these into a working program on Xp [yes,
> >it is DOS of course]?   Any help much appreciated.
> >
> >Joseph Harris
>
> It sounds to me like your zip program spanned the
> files when zipping.  Try putting them all in one
> folder and unzipping them into that folder.  That
> should give you all your files and then you should be able to
> install.
>
>
> . ÷÷÷ . ÷÷÷ . ÷ . ÷÷÷ .  .
>
Any installation notes? Readme? An exe to run at the command line? It
is dos so a look at what you have at the command line would seem a
place to start.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] windows, linux, Mac

[Drew Trusz]

On 9/26/07, joseph harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Why do I run a Mac? Because it combines the best of Unix/Linux
> security and functionality with hardware and multimedia (mpg,
> swf,  ppt, pdf, etc.) With the Mac everything works out of the
> box. With  Linux almost everything works out of the box, except
> the one, two or
> three things you really NEED to work, and with that you have to
> have  root canal before it DOES work (but it will eventually if
> you fight  with it long enough!)
>
> "It is nice to have a common platform that other share. Your BMW
> is  just like the other guy's BMW so it is easy to get help. With
> Linux,  there are a million varieties and everyone has different
> hardware. You have two Linux users and three opinions!
>
Much of what he says is unexceptional. Mac is a dependable
proprietary, sealed platform. That's it strength and weakness.

If we want to use his car analogy, its got a BMW price but it really
is a Mini Cooper. That makes it better than a Redmond Yugo but not as
good as a handcrafted machine. There's a lot of glitz, good press and
it makes a great vvoo. But for the price difference  most
people will take the Yugo since it too does work out of the box right
until it falls apart and then you can replace it easily. And if you
want a real high performance machine you will custom build either
yourself or someone else.

You don't see niche cars in fleets either just like you don't see Mac
office networks. Macs show up in offices as specialty machines, like
they do in print shops for some graphics work. But you only rarely see
them as desktops. They aren't built for it. Scot Finney just had an
interesting piece on this very subject in his newsletter:
http://www.scotsnewsletter.com/93.htm#aapl
In essence he argues that the very never-crack-the-case strength of a
Mac won't work in the  world of corporate IT. And setting up the
servers just makes people shudder.

Its just the same as most things: six of one half a dozen of the
other. If you're not a game player the Mac is a good longer term
value. Linux is an even better longer term choice if you want to do
the work. And Windows will let demonstrate the blissfulness of
ignorance. Personally, I do longer term with blissfulness. Sooner or
later you gotta test the site in IE.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] CSS & MSIE does not compute

[Drew Trusz]

On 9/24/07, Reg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Drew, thanks!  I'm still struggling with some of these concepts.  I
> found the following article that goes right along with what you said:
> http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
>
> Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.  I didn't even know to
> look for 'layout' as a problem!
>
I'm remiss in not pointing you in the right direction. In addition to
the satzansatz, one of the authoritative sources on IE bugs, mostly 6
but also some 7, is
http://www.positioniseverything.net

And the one that made floats sensible to me:
http://www.brainjar.com/css/positioning/

Hope those are of some help. Keep at it, it does start to make sense
even if now and then it remains frustrating.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] CSS & MSIE does not compute

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On 9/22/07, Reg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ahhh!  I'm beating my head against the wall and getting no
> where.  Maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees -- but I just
> can't seem to grok the way MSIE renders this CSS.  It just does not
> compute!  Can someone help me understand why MSIE fails to render the
> following code the same way as Firefox?
>
>  http://littletownmart.com/question-border/index.html
>
> Firefox shows white borders at the top and green on the side.  MSIE
> 7.0 shows white at the top and green on all other sides.
>
>
I get the problem in ie6 as well. The solution for 6 is to clear
between wrapper 3 and wrapper 2. You need layout since everything has
a relative position. Something has to be fixed and the clear does
that.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: Ram question

[Drew Trusz]

On 9/17/07, PBC Web Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 04:07 AM 9/17/2007, you wrote:
> >Truth be told, short of editing HD video footage or doing some crazy
> >3D rendering I don't think you need to increase your RAM from 2GB.
> >Might be better to put the money into something else, like a new
> >processor if your current system architecture will allow and upgrade.
>
> Hi Ross,
>
> Thanks so much for the explanation. The reason
> I'm considering increasing my ram is because when
> I am using the Media Center watching tv I keep
> getting "Low Memory" warnings so I have to shut
> stuff down and restart.  That's why I thought
> more ram would help.  I guess not, heh?
>
>
Since Media Center is a hardware and software package, your PC should
have the wherewithal to run it without modification. System
modification shouldn't be necessary and I suppose could be disruptive.

MS has some warnings about running Media Center when doing what they
call "high-stress" activities. Generic discussion is here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/327158

If you want to sort through some of the technical issues this may be a
good place to start:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/dfw.mspx

Mostly the answer seems to be you need to shutdown other programs.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Site Check Please

[Drew Trusz]

On 9/12/07, Reg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Dave, Deb & Drew :):)   This is exactly the type of help we
> were hoping to receive.  :):):):):):)
>
> We'll take a look at those headers and see what we can do.
>
> Should page content titles be coded as H1 level and the side bar
> heading.at what level?  H2s?  In some ways it is almost like
> having TWO "level 1" headings on the page -- the heading for page
> content and the heading for the sidebar.  Our current stylesheet
> relies on the sidebar menus being at the top of the HTML markup.  We
> know this is a problem for accessibility (needs a "skip repeated
> navigation'), but we're not sure how best to resolve.  Does anyone
> have a suggestion?
>
Nothing wrong with having more than a single h1 on a page since that
is what the specs show in their example. You could achieve your goal
of h2 for the sidebar by using a double float right setup. That is,
float the main content right then float the side bar right. That also
neatly takes care of the skip-to-contents question since the content
will appear first in the code.

It's also a wonderful reminder of the power of css just watching
things reverse with a few quick editing changes.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Site Check Please

[Drew Trusz]

On 9/11/07, Reg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We've finally taken the plunge and attempted to create fully CSS page
> layout templates for our website.  We have over 8,000 pages to
> convert to the new template, too.  So, we are asking for help finding
> potential problems before we get too far into the
> process.  Unfortunately, we do not have access to Macs, Linux, etc.,
> for testing -- only Windows.  We've placed each of the template pages here:
>
> http://www.dc.state.fl.us/wDCcssSample/
>
> We would greatly appreciate your thoughts, opinions, and feedback.
>

Couple of small things relating to css. There are a couple of errors
in the .ul1 selectors. I think you are trying to comment out the
#margin-left using the #. In css the comments as in the /* stuff */
format. The other 'errors' are background color issues and not
something that matters.

Because you are using transitional doctype, fully valid, you get to
cheat a little. You've got some "align" attributes in the element
tags: align=center in a p tag for example. This works in transitional
but in fact is wrong. That's presentation and needs to go into the
styling. Similarly you have images which are align=right which
properly should be floated. It's usually better to play with floats a
bit until they make sense. If you try to change at this point it might
mess everything up. But it gives you something to do in your "free
time".

Lastly, a point I'm almost loath to mention -- header order. There is
a note in the specs about having to use headers in their numerical
order h1 to h6 without skipping. While the note refers to "some
people", it was once mentioned on this list best I can recall, that
those people are the IETF. So if appeals to authority are important to
you, that would matter.

What might matter more is that headers are generally taken to be an
outline structure for a page. If you accept this (it isn't specified)
then you have to rethink your column headings. Starting with h2 is
wrong. And it is certainly erroneous if you are doing it only for the
size effect of the text. Use bigger text instead. Again your practice
may be acceptable in transitional states. (Just as an aside there is
an old and what I find to be sterile debate about having more than a
single h1 per page -- the specs talk about sections and have two  h1's
in the example.)

Overall, it's a good effort and these are mostly minor issues which
familiarity resolves.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Site Check Please

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On 8/21/07, PBC Web Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Well, my first look says "wa to busy"
> looking.
>
>
> My feeling when I view it is "governmental" so if
> that's what you're shooting for then in my opinion you hit the mark.
>
Have to agree with Deb it is both busy looking and governmental. And
that is probably the effect you want on the home page. But maybe a
little less busy on other pages might be good?

Once someone starts looking through the categories, might it not be
helpful to drop the left column? You've got Login and Membership at
the top and I imagine it would be triggered when they go to check out
as well. Or perhaps add some elements of the left column to the
lighter red menu preceding the content? This way you are down to two
content content columns -- documents and categories. Much easier on
the eye and as a user I think I'd likely be ignoring the left column
while looking for my documents.

Oh and is the "Unauthorized Copy" splashed across the documents on
even the downloads? Here that might create the impression that there
is something wrong with the document.

Good luck with it.

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT multiple instances in Device Mgr

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On 8/1/07, PBC Web Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Running WinXP and with my usb troubles I just
> went to the Device Mgr and found what looks to me
> like duplicate instances regarding drivers.
>

Remove all you want. I've got 9 entries under Universal Serial Devices
for a usb hub which is my thumb drive. Sometimes I just don't have the
patience to wait for windows to decide its safe for me to remove it
and I just take it out. The multiple listings are a result of that
action. On the workstation the thumb appears as 2 entries under HID
and 11 usb listings. Am I that impatient or is windows that slow?

This happens because when booting, plug and play reads the attached
devices and compares them to a table the os keeps listing devices.
When devices are changed or the environment changes (my cavalier thumb
drive removal) records aren't properly removed or new ones are added.
If you eliminate the "extras" whatever is needed will be found on the
next boot and added back. So my 4 listings for a single monitor on one
machine means nothing.

The device manager is showing devices not drivers per se. So you can
delete and see if it comes back. Its possible xp sees your printer as
2 devices, for example. If you kill one it will work through the
session and either return or not when rebooting.

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Re: [wdvltalk] IE6 bug, NOT found anywhere else...

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On 8/1/07, Tris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this is kinda for my mate, who is not on these lists, and I'm a bit
> chocka to help him out...
> His site:
> http://www.nightdragon.co.uk/
>
> appears fine on all browsers (so far) apart from IE6, but he doesn't know 
> why...
> Any thoughts?
> DOC TYPE? CSS bug etc?
>
>

Just  looking at it in IE6 I hear screams of width and margin bugs.
When sections drop like that in IE6 it usually means math errors fed
by IE's various margin and padding bugs. Things fit perfectly until IE
adds a pixel or three here and there. Put some borders around the main
parts to see how far off he is and then adjust widths downward until
it fits. Looking at positioniseverything.net would also help.

Looking quickly and briefly at the css seems to confirm the initial
impression. First, IE6 doesn't recognize position: fixed. If he means
to fix the location of the header etc in the container, use
position:absolute within the position:relative container.

Secondly., using pixels for sizing is problematic. Percentages usually
work better in addition to being liquid. The design shatters quickly.

That's enough before the fine tooth combs are applied. And there isn't
anything really horrid, just that annoying tweaking.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: usb hub issues

[Drew Trusz]

On 7/31/07, PBC Web Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'll try to make this short and yet give enough
> info to hopefully get some answers.
>
> Sunday I moved to dual monitors and also added tv
> to my WinXP setup (really cool to be able to
> watch a little tv while working!)  My external


> backup is plugged into a usb hub along with a few
> other things (would take awhile to figure out
> what).  I wound up with a problem on a reboot and
> could not get into windows.  Boot stopped at the
> initial HP opening screen.  Ten hours of tech
> support nightmare later, I finally was able to
> get into Windows.  They had me unplug some stuff
> including the computer power cable then hold in
> the on/off button for 30 seconds, plug the power
> back in and I was thing in windows.  What is
> happening now is that anytime I have this usb hub
> plugged in I wind up not being able to get into windows.
>

Well the last thing you added was the dual monitors and tv. Following
the usual conventions of trouble shooting, remove the tv then the dual
monitors to see if either of those is the cause of the loss of the
hub. If not, disconnect everything from the hub and see if that works.
Then you may want to look at the hub and cable.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT - Using MSWORKS and WordPerfect (second request)

[Drew Trusz]

On 6/25/07, Peter MacGregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I sent this originally a few weeks back but got no responses.

Anyone able to comment now? Thanks

Peter MacGregor


Nielsen and pdf's aside, works suite 2006 claims to contain a full
version of Word:

http://www.microsoft.com/products/works/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=001

And Corel says WP 12 is compatible with formats such as html and xml
which suggests you can make web pages there as well.

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Products/Content&pid=1047022958453&cid=1047022991884


Quality?

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT - Using MSWORKS and WordPerfect (second request)

[Drew Trusz]

On 6/25/07, Peter MacGregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I sent this originally a few weeks back but got no responses.

Anyone able to comment now? Thanks

Peter MacGregor

I'm involved in producing a web site for a group of churches locally.
All will be linked under one umbrella site with either a page of
their own or a link out tot heir existing site.

My own parish uploads its weekly newsletter using the letter saved as
a web page in MS Word and then uploads using an FTP program.

Now the others in the same deanery want to do similar are asking if
they can use MSWORKS and WORDPERFECT to do the same thing.

Anyone out there able to tell me if these two packs can save a
document as a web page?


Works is Office Jr; doesn't have the full range of apps but what it
has, as far as I remember, works as expected. Word in Works should
then be able to make those lovely web pages.

Don't know about WordPerfect but I expect it would also do a web page.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] CSS Positioning Newbie

[Drew Trusz]

On 6/24/07, Reg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

I have spent an entire weekend diving into CSS positioning.  I'm a
table layout whiz and it is killing me that I can't seem to master
even the simplest layout using CSS.

I have two pages using the SAME stylesheet and DIV
structure.  However, I am not receiving the same results and, for the
life of me, I can't figure out why.

Here they are:

(1)  This is a view source dump from a web application page using
the new CSS layout.  It has all of the .NET junk and that may be
causing my problems. But -- THIS PAGE IS WORKING:
http://www.littletownmart.com/css/index-sat.html

(2)  This is the "bare bones" page with just the DIVs and a little
bit of text.  THIS PAGE IS NOT WORKING!!!
http://www.littletownmart.com/css/index_Simple.html

(3)  Here is the stylesheet:
http://www.littletownmart.com/css/main.css


Welcome to the list and to css. It does get easier but it takes a
little time to change how you think about issues.

Lets start at the top. First you need an entire doctype; yours is only
partial. You are throwing IE into quirks mode. Essentially you are
asking the browser to guess at what you want to do not telling it what
set of rules to follow. I'd suggest using the strict html 4.01
version. Doctypes can be found here (you may already have all of these
links but I can't know that so forgive the repition):
http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html

Second, don't develop in IE. IE6 and lower are notoriously broken in
terms of css. IE7 is better but still not top of the line. Use Firefox
or Opera then corrupt your code to make it work in IE. Get the
developers plug in for FF, the Peppersack plug in, allows in browser
editing so you can immediately see the effect of changes.

Thirdly, have a look at http://www.positioniseverything.net (often
referred to pie).It has an entire section devoted to known bugs in IE6
and 5x. Most of the bugs have several methods of dealing with them.
The ones shown are pretty much the latest and greatest but there are
simpler ways to manage things. Mostly you have to watch the width of
things and you have to clear floats. Anything floated is out of the
flow of the document. With IE6 you have to watch the "hasLayout"
problem discussed in pie. For a discussion of floats, I've always
found this document at brain jar makes sense to me:
http://www.brainjar.com/css/positioning/

Fourthly, if you look at css sites you'll find that absolute
positioning isn't widely used for full layouts. There are problems
with using it since it takes things out of the normal flow of the
document and leads to the always aggravating unintended consequences.
Take the plunge and go with normal positioning and floats. Its worth
learning the value of position:relative in layout (covered in part in
pie).

So, start with the doctype, it won't seem to help much but it does,
and then do the pie articles. At that point bring back your questions
and this group should be able to help. It's a struggle like Riva said,
but it's worth it.



drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] IE mystery...ARGH

[Drew Trusz]

On 6/21/07, Rita Crisafi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Good people of wdvl-talk you've helped a lot in the pastthis is a
problem with backwards compatibility. Unfortunately, my client has an
old browser and is running Windows 98 and I *know* he must upgrade,
etc., but in the meantime, I just want to see if I can help him see
it properly without a huge amount of headaches.

I checked my work on old browsers and I need some help.

Here's what's happening:
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=356768 -- I wrote notes
on the page.

As you can see, IE 5 and 5.5 are not displaying most of anything
properly. As you can see by the notes on the url noted above, I
suspect I'm having issues with box model problems and float clears??



Almost certainly there are box model problems with 5 and 5.5 as well
as clearing issues; it's the nature of the beast. Probably the best
resource for you is
http://www.positioniseverything.net. See the section on IE vs
Standards. You may easily spot a bunch of your problems with
haslayout, float, and box discussions. When dealing with the float
issues liberally sprinkle with an element just defined as clear:both.
You can always remove the extras and doing it specifically rather than
with slick hacks will make like easier with the 5s.

As always, you'll be able to get specific help on particular problems
that still may be confounding. But I think a visit to pie and your
skills will clear up most of it straight away.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Issues with CSS and background images (www.helpmeimadad.com)

[Drew Trusz]

On 6/4/07, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

OK, I need more help on this (or at least a fresh pair of eyes!)

Can anyone explain to me why http://www.helpmeimadad.com/index.php does
not display the orange background behind the "Home" at the top of the
page but http://www.helpmeimadad.com/helpme.html does?

They both use the same CSS, the only difference is that one is
dynamically generated and the other one isn't.



In FF the generated source is not the same for the two pages. The php
page has more id selectors. Haven't had a chance to chase down the
exact differences but I'd guess this would be a good place to start.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] [SCR] http://www.helpmeimadad.com/

[Drew Trusz]

On 5/31/07, Peter MacGregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>Venerable eminence?


Glad you spelt that first word correctly! LOL


Peter



I looked it up in a real dictionary! Who knew you could learn how to
spell things by looking them up in a book!

What will they think of next!

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Re: [wdvltalk] [SCR] http://www.helpmeimadad.com/

[Drew Trusz]

On 5/31/07, Peter MacGregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 17:51 30/05/2007, you wrote:
>>It's a great idea...maybe I'll contribute from my 20+ years of raising
>>my own...the first one started out at 1 lb. 12 oz. and is now married.
>>Dang...that makes me old.  Huh.
>>
>>Tim
>>
>Naw, you ain't old until they are over 30.

Heck - my twins are now 41 and our "baby" is 32 - what does that make
me? (Polite answers only thank you! LOL)

Peter MacGregor


Venerable eminence?

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Re: [wdvltalk] [SCR] http://www.helpmeimadad.com/

[Drew Trusz]

It's a great idea...maybe I'll contribute from my 20+ years of raising
my own...the first one started out at 1 lb. 12 oz. and is now married.
Dang...that makes me old.  Huh.

Tim



Naw, you ain't old until they are over 30.

I liked Franni's quick photoshopping. Even those of us who are old or
nearly so get a little gleam in the eye and a smile on the lips with a
shot of a dad and his baby. You can just about feel the familiar
weight resting on your forearm.

It's going to be a difficult balance between sentimental, practical,
and venting. Tim's colors make sense as does his advice to check the
zengarden. In addition to Deb's topics you may need to consider the
sports stuff and some way to deal with the awful peer pressure for
machoism/manliness -- the less aspects of guyness. Perhaps some
reprints, with permission, of some standard pieces of research and pop
psych.

With this group you ought to be able to get more good suggestions than
you can easily use.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Which language to use?

[Drew Trusz]

hanks Drew.


.But who are 'they' [I have this vision of Blair coming round
with the boys at three in the morning, all dressed in riot
gear...]

Joseph


they is them. them is those. those is they.

Simple really.

Now please get in line. Mind  the step.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Which language to use?

[Drew Trusz]

On 2/21/07, Joseph Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: "Peter MacGregor"

Thanks for that Drew.


 WAMP ??(mystified)


WAMP ==Windows Apache mysql php kin to
LAMP -- Linux Apache mysql phh


and Joomla.(nervously)   Jj-j-j-joomla???


Joomla -- content management and web framework using php and mysql --
let them do it if you don't want to do it all or partially yourself


(futuristically)   and videos to learn???




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Re: [wdvltalk] Which language to use?

[Drew Trusz]

On 2/21/07, Peter MacGregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

That's encouraging Joseph - I'm just starting down the same road! 

Peter


There are some really knowledgeable people on this list when it comes
to php so if you have any problems ask away. And of course there are
also php lists.

If you have a server at home, php and mysql are a breeze to add even
for windows.

Having moved from Perl to php I can say it is something you can pick
up at the basic to intermediate levels without too much trouble. The
manual is helpful but like so many manuals, only after you reach the
point where you already understand half of it.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Weird link problem

[Drew Trusz]

On 1/17/07, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks JC. I haven't coded that yet, but thanks for pointing it out. I
will get on it a.s.a.p.

Riva




> What bothers me is that once you click on any of the links (so it displays
> as visited) and then you mouse over it, all the other links slightly shift
> position right or left. Just looks unprofessional and visually disturbing.
>

a:link has a specified width of 120px the other pseudo's(Vegas Hell's
Angels) don't. Add it to all or take it from that one and the problem
of jumping should cease.


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Re: [wdvltalk] CSS/FOUC question and font question

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On 1/4/07, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

I put together a new website and I have the FOUC issue. I tried all
known fixes for it but I still see it. Does anyone have any ideas on how
to fix this? The url is http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/contempo. Yes,
the site still needs a lot of work . . .

Also, the client does not like Arial for the website. It is supposed to
convey an upscale yet affordable feel but I think Georgia looks too
"common" - any ideas/opinions on fonts?

TIA,
Riva


Looked at it  with FF 2.01, IE6 or Opera 9.02.

Opera is very unhappy with your fruit table image. In fact it is so
unhappy the image is shoved up and mostly out of the view port. Having
a top margin of -120px on this image means something isn't right. That
image should be in the logo container and not having to be shoved
around relative to the top of the viewport.

What I did was to reconstruct the site by cutting and pasting from the
logo out. For each section I added the html, checked how it looked.
Then added the css. The one thing I made sure to do was to add a
comment for each closing tag for a div.

What I found was that in IE I had to add a clearing statement before
the closing of the wrapper div in order to add content (your height
101% might do this, I just reflexively remove height statements). The
other thing I found is that I think you have an extra closing div tag.
Since I did the reconstruction on a separate page I'm not sure.  But
when I was done the image was where is was supposed to be and didn't
need any of the -120px business to place it in the right place.

There does seem to be a small hesitation as the graphics load and are
positioned for the logo. Might be that you need to onload the images.
It resolves fast and may not matter.

Hope it helps.

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Re: [wdvltalk] CSS Editors

[Drew Trusz]

On 1/3/07, Reg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Happy new year everyone!!

I thought I would start the new year off right by updating my "tool
box".  I've found a few CSS Editors and really like the looks of
Style Master Pro.  Has anyone else used this?  Found something better?

http://www.westciv.com/style_master/


Thanks!

Regina


A venerable and respected tool regularly updated by our list hosts.
They also have/had a fine set of introductory courses to css.

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Re: [wdvltalk] FF flash... or xml..

[Drew Trusz]

On 1/4/07, Tris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Oh yeah, bugger...
I'd updated that page...
http://w03-joshua.exalia.net/BrainPower/homeMaster.php
login, then paste this URL...

Sigh.. is it Friday yet??


Nearly Friday.

I still get the same thing but this time I think it's a good thing. I
see a welcome to test and a "challenge a friend" image with a "top 5
league" listing in both browsers. The image is clickable and leads to
an enter 5 email addy page. Again same behavior in both browsers.

Did I miss something? If not, then it looks like you fixed it.

Hoist the tankard!

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Re: [wdvltalk] FF table padding?

[Drew Trusz]

On 1/3/07, Tris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

http://w03-joshua.exalia.net/BrainPower/

On the above URL in FF, the display table has gaps.. but on IE.. it does not?
Can anyone explain why?

(I know I know, tables are bad.. though I've never really understood why...)



There isn't a thing wrong with table based layout if your goal is to
exchange documents. The table based web is great for that. It's a lot
faster and cheaper than using snail mail.

The audience will be somewhat more limited. There is the language
issue but there are translation programs; even though the quality
degrades rapidly as the material becomes more complex. And of course
what is now known as accessibility would further reduce the audience
-- visual problems, motor issues, etc.

Of course you could use screen readers to compensate for a lot of the
latte. Serialization is pretty reliable. But now and then you can get
odd results. The same kind of results you get when using wysiwyg
editors to compose. Way to often the editor simply corrects your code
because it knows better what it is you "really" wanted to code.

And that's the problem with tables. What you see isn't really what you
get. A lot of it is guess work by the browser. Unclosed tags force
guesses as to where the ending should be. Mostly browsers and screen
readers are good at this. If that's acceptable, and it is for many
very large corporations and a lot of government operations as well,
then keep using table based layouts.

If on the other hand, accessibility and portability are concerns, it's
time to look at the semantic web. Here data is the focus so increased
precision in the use of elements is required. Elements need beginning
and ends. Certain elements have particular functions assigned to them;
although some of the functions are so vaguely worded as to be pretty
much useless. Lists which do this and that among other uses are a bit
suspect for precision.

Similarly tables for layout have the same problem. At some point the
browser is guessing at what the author means; never a good idea. Plus
tables have a mathematical meaning by which the data in a cell is
given meaning by the axis of the table. How's a poor little browser to
know which meaning of table to apply? Is it layout or is it data? Only
the author knows for sure and hasn't been kind enough to share that
with the rest of us. Unfortunate but not fatal if you can see the page
you can usually get the gist. If not, oh well.

In some ways this is a bit of a red herring anyways. The semantic web
is about data -- unlocking the data hidden in applications. It does
this through the use of RDF and OWL. The of precise elements supports
this but doesn't define it. The w3c probably says it best (something
which might actually be considered a significant accomplishment in and
of itself):

"The Semantic Web is about two things. It is about common formats for
integration and combination of data drawn from diverse sources, where
on the original Web mainly concentrated on the interchange of
documents. It is also about language for recording how the data
relates to real world objects. That allows a person, or a machine, to
start off in one database, and then move through an unending set of
databases which are connected not by wires but by being about the same
thing."
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/

Its the ontologies and  the reliably represented information that make
the semantic web work. Its the precision rdf and owl offer which
almost incidentally solve accessibility - the data is there its just a
matter of finding the ontology which makes it understandable. That
single page is rich in resources and will help get you passed the
puffery now common in the endless rehashing of which is more semantic.
Skip that stuff, get the essence and then decide in which web you want
to work.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] FF flash... or xml..

[Drew Trusz]

On 1/4/07, Tris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ello all..
I've got an XML fed flash chart thingy:
http://www.maani.us/xml_charts/

To see it, go here:
http://w03-joshua.exalia.net/BrainPower/home.php
User:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pass: test101

If you login under IE (PC, not tested on a MAC at all)
you'll see a white flash graph..
however, on FF, it just hangs and hangs til it times out..

the XML doc that feeds it is here:
http://w03-joshua.exalia.net/BrainPower/sample.php

Any brain storms as to why FF says 'I don't like it' (in my best
northern UK accent)?



Don't see any difference between the two. All I get is a page with a
different logo and an incomplete message about "If you are not Test,
please".

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: reading an external hard drive - firewire/usb

[Drew Trusz]

On 12/26/06, PBC Web Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 05:46 PM 12/26/2006, you wrote:
>Deb
>
>The key here first of all is listen to Windows's sound effects when
>you plug in your external drive. Hot-swappable devices will trigger
>three events in Windows (device connect, device disconnect and
>device error) that have sounds attached.
>
> snip 

I don't know what happened w/mine but I do have my external drive
back.  Seems to have come back all on it's own.  Strange.


:: Deb | PBC Web Design
:: http://www.PBCWebDesign.com


This isn't really strange at all. It's a matter of recognizing the
drive and enumerating the content. For example, when you put in a cd
there is a moment when the searching flashlight icon shows before the
content of the cd is listed. Also there are times when you click on
Windows Explorer and get the flashlight while the explorer program
busily goes about its business of creating the folder or tree view.

With a usb connection, it's the same thing. Usb is built for quick
connections and that's the case with such small things as flash
drives, keyboards, printers etc. A big/large/humongous/ginormous
external drive with all those files, pictures, sound files, movies on
it takes time to enumerate.

And sometimes when you use more than one usb device, windows "expects"
it in a particular port. You may then see two removable devices, with
different drive letters, even though only one is actually plugged in.
I've got one machine where the camera works in one port and the thumb
drive in another and I lack the patience to wait them out if I switch
the connections. OS helpfulness is sometimes a mixed blessing.

Wikipedia has a very nice piece on usb if you are interested in some
of the history and technical details.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB

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Re: [wdvltalk] Opinion on what to do on a website

[Drew Trusz]

On 12/20/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

This list has been kinda quiet lately - I hope it is because people are
off doing holiday stuff . . .

I am working on a site for a restaurant. They are not always open for
dinner because they do a lot of catering. I suggested that they put a
calendar on their site showing which days they are open, but they are
not keen on that idea. What does everyone think? Should they put
something as generic as "Please call because we may be closed for a
private party" or something more detailed? Any opinions are welcome.

Thanks,
Riva


Interesting question.

Anything like a calendar would require maintenance. How likely is the
restaurant to bother to update the web site? How likely are they to
engage your services to do that and to remember to tell you to do so?

You'd have to make a virtue of being closed. Something like:

"We are often fully booked for the evening for private parties. Please
call ahead to check seating availability. We'd hate to have you make
the trip only to find out we're hosting a private party."

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Re: [wdvltalk] Quick question

[Drew Trusz]

On 12/11/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

How do I find out where the SQL server is on a website? I have access to
cpanel, but localhost is not working.

Thanks,
Riva


Usually the sql administrative transparently manages the database
connections. You provide the user name and password and the tool takes
care of the rest so that you never need to know the name of the sql
server. The sql server and webserver should be different.

While I've never used it, it is my understanding that such management
is part of cpanel's functionality. If cpanel is not performing as
expected then maybe a trouble ticket for the isp is in order? Or are
you asking how to manage a db with cpanel?

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: uninstalling McAfee from a new machine

[Drew Trusz]

On 12/8/06, PBC Web Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 11:53 AM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
>My wife, a Wisconsin girl raised on a dairy farm, says cows are like
>that -- they just wander off happily oblivious.
>
>Considered building your own? Much more fun.

Uhh, plenty of cows here in WI yes ... don't know any personally
so can't comment on your wife's theory .  Gateway went back to the
store, problem solved.


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:: http://www.PBCWebDesign.com


The cow box wandered in, wandered out. Oblivious and happy.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Restoring from a back up

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On 12/8/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

My boss has an external sea_gate drive and wants me to test if her back
up is working and also make sure I know how to restore from the back up
if I have to. I looked at the drive on her computer (I connect
virtually) and the latest date I see is 11/20. Any ideas, advice, etc?

Thanks,
Riva


There is typically an interface with the backup software. If the
Seagate is the drive to which the backup has been sent, that's where
you should look for the backups. To test you can select a directory on
the backup drive and restore it to a different location on the active
pc. Doesn't have to be a lot of information, just enough to show it
works. Maybe a small documents file restored to "test directory".

Normally you just drill down to the directory you want and specify the
path to where you want the information restored and click "go",
"start", "restore" or whatever is appropriate. I

The interface should also allow you to review what is being backed up
and what the schedule is in case you need to make changes. This will
give you the most recent backup date, etc. If 11/20 is the last actual
backup, you'll probably want to recommend a change in the schedule:
weekly incremental is common.

It's good to have the manual for all of this and with luck it will be
available online if you can't locate it.Otherwise post what the backup
software is and likely someone has experience with it or the manual.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] [OT] remote connections?

[Drew Trusz]

On 12/1/06, Patrick G. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Tris,
 On Thursday, November 30, 2006, 11:57:06 AM, you wrote:

T> I'm on site this week (I work at home normally)
T> and I'm using remote XP to connect to my home pc to pick up code
T> samples etc, FTPing them to my server, and then picking them up here,
T> in the office..
T> bt...
T> I'd love to be able to connect to my home, via windows explorer
T> is this possible?

By remote XP I am assuming you mean Windows Remote Desktop (?)
If so, have you tried enabling the 'Local' Drives (in the options tab) before 
connecting?
Then you can drag and drop via Windows Explore on the 'Remote' box.

--
Best regards,
 Patrick G.



That's a much, much better solution. All the use I make of Remote at
work and never discovered that. Tunnel vision. Ain't this a wonderful
list!

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] 400 bad request error

[Drew Trusz]

On 12/5/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Drew,

Thanks for the reply.

The web guy gave me the address of the server itself that bypasses the
"website" but I will try with the IP address. I am assuming that the URL
would be the same (for the script) except the IP address instead of the
"friendly" address?



Don't know what you mean about 'bypassing' the website.

The script is most likely located in the cgi-bin for an apache server
or some other directory on an iis server. That is, it should be on the
same server as the web page in which it is embedded. So yes, using
10.1.111.2/scriptpage.html would be the same as
http://www.example.org/scriptpage.html, for example. Normally, the IP
is part of the original documentation provided by the isp. If your isp
uses host headers, that should be dealt with in the same
documentation.

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Re: [wdvltalk] 400 bad request error

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On 12/4/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

My boss had her web guy set up some form builders for her on her new
website. They were originally on her old website and I had no problem
accessing them. Now that they have been moved to the new website, I keep
getting a 400 - bad request error or Bad Request (Invalid Hostname)
error. I flushed my DNS, cleared my cache, tried from IE and FF and am
still having no luck. Her web guy is stumped also. Any ideas?

TIA,
Riva
P.S. It is a .cgi script.


So the company site has been moved to a new location and you can't get
to it? Can anyone else?

Your machine would not be the only place the old address is cached.
The dns server with authority for your location (your isp) very likely
has the old address cached as well. If others can't get there that
would indicate a caching problem at the isp. Try using the IP not the
friendly address. That is get the actual IP numbers, the
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx octects and use those.

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: uninstalling McAfee from a new machine

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On 12/4/06, PBC Web Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 05:20 AM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
>Even McAfee isn't going to uninstall the uninstaller. If there is no
>uninstall in the program group, then use the wizard. Odds are you'll
>have more than several chances to not uninstall once you begin the
>process.

Thanks Drew - in the mean time things got worse.  This computer is
going back to the store. I have made the determination that I hate Gateway.


:: Deb | PBC Web Design
:: http://www.PBCWebDesign.com


My wife, a Wisconsin girl raised on a dairy farm, says cows are like
that -- they just wander off happily oblivious.

Considered building your own? Much more fun.

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Re: [wdvltalk] pulling one row where it matches in another table, many times... MySQL

[Drew Trusz]

On 12/4/06, Tris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

LOL...
funny cause it's true..
he's pretty much saved my arse too any time sthis month..

MUST repay him soon!!!



rudy's helped a lot of us. He must be pretty much in his cups most of
the time on all the virtual beer he's earned.

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Re: [wdvltalk] pulling one row where it matches in another table, many times... MySQL

[Drew Trusz]

On 12/4/06, Tris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I wanna holiday!!!

I've an asset table:
id
name
fileSize
date


and an options table:
id
name


and finally a table to match them up assetPropertyOption:
assetId
optionId


I want to pull all assets that appear in the match table, based on
what options I ask for..
I can do it for ONE option, but when I try and do more, it comes up blank..

What I reckon is each option is making a new row in the temp table,
confusuig both me and MYSQL..

But I NEED to ba able to say AND and OR alot...

===

ideas?


Hope rudy gets up early today and is in a good mood?


drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: uninstalling McAfee from a new machine

[Drew Trusz]

On 12/3/06, PBC Web Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

I got a new puter and GR it came installed w/McAfee Suite
something or other.  I want McAfee GONE but there is no uninstall to
be found.  When I go to the Control Panel I find the option to
uninstall just this: McAfee Uninstall Wizard.  I'm afraid if I
uninstall that from the Control Panel that I'll be stuck w/McAfee ...
I can't install my Zone Alarm or my Avast anti-virus until McAfee is
gone. This is a WinXP Media machine.  Anyone have any experience
w/this? Your help would be appreciated.

:: Deb | PBC Web Design
:: http://www.PBCWebDesign.com



Even McAfee isn't going to uninstall the uninstaller. If there is no
uninstall in the program group, then use the wizard. Odds are you'll
have more than several chances to not uninstall once you begin the
process.

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Re: [wdvltalk] [OT] remote connections?

[Drew Trusz]

On 11/30/06, Tris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ello...

I'm on site this week (I work at home normally)
and I'm using remote XP to connect to my home pc to pick up code
samples etc, FTPing them to my server, and then picking them up here,
in the office..
bt...
I'd love to be able to connect to my home, via windows explorer
is this possible?

I've tried:

\\123.123.123.123\myComputerName\shareName\
(I've got several PC's on my home IP)
but it doesn't work...?

Do I need to open up a specific port on my router at home, or is this
just not possible..?

It'd just make copying files to theoffice ALOT easier!! ;-p

Thoughts?
Tris...




Mapping is a network function. Access to resources is controlled by
network security settings so you have to be logged into the network.
And if you are using private network addresses behind an internal
router, the packets won't go anyway.

That's easy enough to arrange. Just hack your sever to allow everyone
to telnet. Then you and anyone else who's interested can login and
have a look around your server.

Alternatively if you don't want to share, there is vpn. It can be
costly but you can keep the rest of us riff-raff out.

Mostly, you'll be stuck with what you are doing. Cumbersome but
reasonably secure. You can never tell what kind of guests the rest of
us would be.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] [OT]add on about add-ons (was IE7 bad, IE6 good)

[Drew Trusz]

On 11/27/06, Joseph Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

My daughter thanks you all for helpful advice but has now another
problem that is unresolved;  it involves both add-ons and
activeX.Here is her message:


okay, I've decided to keep ie7 because it's going to be the
standard soon I can't solve the problem of add-ons being
disabled.

The help says just restart ie but that doesn't work.   When I
right click the ie icon and look at properties add-ons are NOT
disabled. When I look at the add on manager list all the add ons
say 'enabled'.

But in explorer itself under tools the add on manager bit is
greyed out. The add ons listed under toolbars-  Onspeed and the
Yahoo Toolbar are also greyed out.

I can't get to use the forums because active x is disabled. And
I've used up my two free help requests with microsoft. Grrr.

I need more help!

How does she get round this?

TIA

Joseph





It sounds as if your daughter didn't actually enable the add-ons.
First part of enabling is to click on the "Enable or disable Add-ons"
choice. This does the enabling. A reboot is reuired then the "Manage
add-ons" selection works. This seems counterintuitive but much of t he
security enhancements you see as an end user in Vista (and IE7 as
designed for Vista) have a certain counterintuitive element about
them.

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Re: [wdvltalk] CSS print.. putting an element at teh bottom of a page...

[Drew Trusz]

On 11/24/06, Tris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Um my title kinda says it all...

I'm grabbing a bunch of info to put in an invoice, and my client wants
to ahve the total and delivery at teh botoom of teh printed page...

How can I force a div to the bottom of the page...?



The solution of choice is to absolutely position the footer at the
bottom: (horizontally position to taste)
position:absolute; bottom: 0px; left:0px;

And for the theoretical discussions:

http://solardreamstudios.com/learn/css/footerstick

http://themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/


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Re: [wdvltalk] Fw: [OT -1] mail oddity - nuttier yet

[Drew Trusz]

On 11/14/06, Joseph Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Now I can receive on Thunderbird, but not send...
And send on OE, but not receive...
[same password both ways]

Any thoughts about that??


Do you need to authenticate outgoing mail?

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Re: Fw: [wdvltalk] Fw: [OT -1] mail oddity

[Drew Trusz]

On 11/13/06, Joseph Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Thanks for the link Cheryl, but this is the poor man's outlook -
Outlook Express.In the identity affected I have five
addresses which are checked, one of which is redirect only and
three of which work practically every time.   But one address has
spells of not connecting through OE even when Chrysanthemum has
just downloaded headers from it.


Joseph have you considered getting Thunderbird to simply replace OE?
It's far more robust and by adding either Sunbird or Lightning you get
a fine calendar system as well.

Thunderbird has a nice baysian anti-spam system which learns quickly.
The interface will look familiar but easier to navigate. Setup is
simple. Saving mail and moving it to a new machine is as easy as
copying one file.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] [OT -2] Firefox reduced to ashes

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On 11/13/06, Joseph Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

What I like about Firefox is the tabs and the holding of those
tabs across crashes, etc.   Vital info reliably and lazily held.

However...   Firefox is showing new behaviour.I had five or
six windows with maybe 40 tabs between them.   Then with a
'start' Firefox opened duplicates and I had 9 windows;  then 15,
then more and more to well over 50 with a comensurate multiple of
tabs, all trying to access the web at the same time.

The effect was to completely jam the machine [Xp SP2, Dell].   Is
there a solution which a) saves the information or b) loses the
information but does not involve re-installing.

Or should I go to he newest Firefox, Vista is it?

Yours, M$-ered,


Both Opera's and Firefox's latest versions (8 and 9, and 2
respectively) will save your tabs during a crash or a normal shutdown.
When you reopen the browsers there is an option to continue 'last
session'. Updating versions also preserves settings for both browsers.

Are you saying that FF just suddenly started to open more and more
browser sessions? Or that you keep opening multiple sessions rather
than tabbing? Opening 40 or more tabs would make it hard for me to
keep track of things. That's a lot of system resources to use. It's
not surprising the machine broke down.

I've only seen multiple uncontrolled openings like that on Konquerer
(Linux browser) when plug-ins like Flash insist they need to installed
immediately.

You might want to think about updating to a version where the tabs are
preserved. And Vista is the new MS operating system, not a browser.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] How to replace SQLServer Express with SQL Server?

[Drew Trusz]

On 11/12/06, Diane Schips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thank you, but that's not what I mean.  Visual Studio 2005 is configured
to work with SQL Server Express.  I'm trying to figure out how to change
the configuration to use SQL Server 2005.

Diane


Sorry misunderstood.

The Help Files at Start | Programs | Microsoft SQL Server 2005 |
Configuration Manager | SQL Server Configuration Manager don't provide
answers?

I installed 2005 on a machine which has 2003 and the Enterprise
Manager for our 2000 sql servers. The connections to the existing
databases were detected and configured. I can see the connections in
the TCP/IP under the SQL Native Client Configuration | Client
Protocols, Properties as being active and enabled on port 1433. Plus
the Express connections properties show as not enabled.

Local files are available and interestingly throw all sorts of errors
related to standards. In fact the vast number of errors caused me to
simply abandon 2005 on this project until it gets rewritten. It's one
I originally wrote in cf and was rewritten in classic asp and then had
asp.net added (3 people between me and me). Now it's back to me but I
don't think I'll move it back to cf; just patch and then remix in
asp.net in Studio 2005.

On my non-server machine, a similar result obtained. The connections
to the 2000 sql server are active and enabled and the Express
connections are not enabled. Checked again  using the Sql Server
Configuration Manager and looking at the protocols. This machine does
not have Enterprise Manager.

So in both cases, the Express seems to be disabled.

Anybody else have installation experiences with Studio 2005 that might
help Diane?

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] How to replace SQLServer Express with SQL Server?

[Drew Trusz]

On 11/12/06, Diane Schips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

HELP!

I want to use SQL Server 2005, not the Express edition.  How do I do
this?


Essentially you buy SQL Server. Express is not the same thing -- it's
really the successor to access. Express is free, SQL Server costs
money.



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Re: [wdvltalk] Weird things happening

[Drew Trusz]

On 11/9/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Todd,

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, there are other programs that have disappeared. Companion Link is
one of them. My boss eventually downloaded another copy but the
shortcuts and the programs under Start -> Programs disappear. I have
looked in Windows Explorer to find it, but there is not listing for IE
under Programs or Windows.

Riva

Todd Richards wrote:
> Hi Riva -
>
> If she clicks on a link and it opens in IE, then it didn't remove it from
> her computer.  Mine appears under "C:\Program Files\Internet
> Explorer\iexplore.exe"  Might just have to create a new shortcut for it.
> It's really hard to say why it would have disappeared.  Are there other
> things that have disappered as well?  Sometimes I have seen end-users
> accidentally click the wrong buttons, etc.  Not saying that is the case, but
> unless you are there when it happens, it's hard to say.
>
> Todd




That's why you need to search for the exe for the missing programs.
For IE it's iexplore.exe.  Your anti-virus should have taken care of
any possibility of Kama Sutra or anything else.

Installed any new toolbars lately? Could such a toolbar or desktop
management tool have hidden the files? New music/multimedia manager?
Might be worth a check on the My Computer |Tools | Folder Options.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Prinitng multiple pages...

[Drew Trusz]

On 11/10/06, Tris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

css can force page brakes???
cool..

off to google for me...




While you're at it look at the @media stuff and find out how to
arrange a print page style sheet to style the output exactly as you
want for a printer, including the page breaks David mentioned. This
way you can eliminate those sometimes surprising print results.

See
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/media.html#x0


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Re: [wdvltalk] Weird things happening

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On 11/8/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

My boss has noticed recently that some of her programs disappeared. She
had IE (for example) and now it has totally disappeared. We cannot find
it on the desktop, in Windows Explorer or under Start -> Programs. When
she clicks on a link in an e-mail, the link opens in IE. Any ideas on
why this is happening and how to fix it?


Have you searched for iexplore.exe? That should find the program for you.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Web login system - best approach

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On 11/6/06, Ross Clutterbuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Previously, I have an Access database storing the login information which is
accessed through ASP. This database is stored in a folder outside of the
domain hosting area so you can't physically access it through the website's
URL. The ASP script accesses the file through the server's file system using
Server.MapPath.

My problem now is twofold: firstly, I don't have this sort of access to the
server and second it's likely that I have to use PHP and MySQL.

I've started playing with MySQL recently for a Flash-fronted CMS project and
I'm fairly comfortable with it for the basic uses I have in mind, but I have
difficulty getting my head around creating a database - it's a bit odd not
having a tangible, MDB-esque file I can just drop into a directory.

So in a nutshell, what's the best way of doing a user/password login using
PHP/MySQL?

TIA

MOU



The ISP should provide some form of mysql admin tool (myphpadmin is a
popular one) which you can use to manage the db. Building the db using
myphpadmin is easy. You can look at the entire db as well, just like
you did for access. Easy to do and manage with a good tool.

Learn the syntax, or borrow heavily from good examples. If you use asp
a lot   you'll find the syntax of php as annoying at times as php
users find asp. But it will be managabke. Start with a good example,
as Tris suggested, and just be sure to practice reasonable security:
use post, check user input, use secure connection. You know the drill.

There are or were some very good php and sql people here who can keep
you from sweating over the details. It'll be a lot less of a trial
than you fear.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: Thunderbird

[Drew Trusz]

On 10/30/06, Peter MacGregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Anyone any experience of the Thunderbird OS Email program?

Comments - Good Bad or Indifferent welcome. I'm happy with Firefox
and am very tempted.


Been using it for a few years and have to agree with MOU and Matthew
-- works reliably and has far better features than Express.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Site review

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On 10/27/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Oh. Didn't think of that.

Well, I removed the position:relative; and changed the doc type. I had
to reposition a few items, but it worked beautifully. Um . . can't think
of what else I did. (Just got back from getting my car looked at -again.
They replaced the fuel pump a week or two ago and I am still having the
same problem. Now it seems that they didn't recalibrate something or
other. Their Internet connection is down so I have to go back - again!)
Just explaining why I can't remember . . .  :-)

Riva



Thanks.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Site review

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On 10/27/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thank you all for the feedback. It seems as though I fixed the IE6 bug.
Just working on the grammar and spelling now.

Riva


Oh, come on Riva, after all of that you aren't going to tell us what you did?


drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Site review

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On 10/27/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

I would appreciate it if someone could look over my new site and give me
feedback? The url is http://www.1stchoicept.us.

TIA,
Riva


Not good in IE6. The background of the nav list jumps all over the
place. This probably has to do with the layout you are using (see
below).

First you need a complete doctype to get IE out of quirks mode.

You might be having a variation of the listbug problem. This results
from using relative positioning within a floated div, exactly what you
are doing with the nav list. Have a look at this and see if it helps:

http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/ie-listbug.html

The other choice is to redesign. You might want to consider something like this:

1. wrapper with auto margins and fixed percentage or px width so the
stripped background still shows.
2. logo in a div
3. another wrapper with a margin to preserve  that very nice
separation effect between logo and main body. Use the grey background
for this wrapper.
4. float the nav left without the relative positioning.
5. float another box (I'd float them both left but that's my
preference). Put the strip of photos at the top of the box. Then do
the main text (welcome to.). You'll probably need a clear inside
this box to give it height before you move to the footer.
6. footer. Clear this and see if it works first with the clear in #5
and then without that clear. This is an industrial strength solution
for clearing -- it works in browsers without having to resort to
browser particular hacks which blow up in later versions.

hth
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Re: [wdvltalk] Your email requires verification

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On 10/24/06, Linda Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Just ignore me gang.  I had to send email to the
list so I could get my very own copy of the
verification email.  This particular nuisance
will be gone from your lives soon. ;)


Thanks,
Linda



We'd never ignore you Linda, only what you do. :)

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Re: [wdvltalk] IE7 question - kinda

[Drew Trusz]

Hi all,

I see that IE7 is finally out and I would like to download it and try it
out. I am just wondering though, if there is a way to download it and
not overwrite IE6?  I am guessing not, but it would be great for testing
if I could do that.


Microsoft recommends you put IE6 on a virtual machine.

Or use one of the partitioning tools to create the same effect: IE
version and supporting OS on each partition.

Six of one half a dozen of the other.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Batch manufacture of thumbnails

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On 10/4/06, PBC Web Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Peter MacGregor writes:

> Can anyone suggest a low cost solution to batch converting pdfs to
> thumbnails? I've got a program that converts Word to PDF in batches
> but there is no control over output size.
>
Hi Peter,

Might want to have a look at this one: http://jalbum.net/ - I've used it
numerous times for photos - don't know if it'll do pdf files, though.

I tried Googling "convert pdf to thumbnail" and did get some listings so you
might try that as well.

--
Deb | PBC Web Design
www.puterbug.com


Might try this site, it's got lots of choices although it will take
time to sort through them all:

http://freedownloadscenter.com/Search/pcx_W1.html

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Re: [wdvltalk] Directories

[Drew Trusz]

On 9/18/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

The list has been quiet for a while - is anyone still out there?




Don't forget BJ and Michael Ensor when recalling names. Or Stephen Caudill.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Internet settings for different user accounts

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On 9/1/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

A friend of mine called me tonight. She just got a new computer and each
of her kids has their own user account. She wants me to set things up so
that only her and her husband's user accounts will have internet
access.  Is there a way to do this? I know in WinXP you can change a
user account to limited but does that mean that they cannot get online?
Also, any recommendations for a "netnanny" type of thing for her?



Couple of options, most of which are probably more trouble than your
friends want to deal with. Set the firewall to block port 80. The
parents will have to log into the firewall to turn it on when they use
it and remember to turn it back off again.

If it's an xp pro edition, look at the local policies to edit them to
disable IE. I don't think this can be done on the home edition. This
link looks at some of the ways to do this:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/prodtech/windowsxp/secwinxp/xpsgch05.mspx

Don't have any recommendations for nanny's since I don't have anyone
that needs minding; they are all old enough so I can ask them to take
care of me.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Weird form submission

[Drew Trusz]

David is spot on in his discussion of why it was done and what the
probable reason was.

If you want to know that those headers themselves, and all other
headers in email, mean, here's a good readable presentation about mail
headers:

http://www.stopspam.org/email/headers.html


And if you want to see the headers in Outlook, do this:

# Click the "File" menu
# Click "Properties"
# Click the "Details" tab
# Click "Message Source"


Never, ever press send before you are finished.

Do those things with the actual piece of e-mail not in the Outlook
client. And for general tips on where to find headers in most mail
clients:

http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/19.html

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Re: [wdvltalk] Weird form submission

[Drew Trusz]

On 8/20/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

My boss received an e-mail from a form on her website with the following
info:

*Name*: Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary=30dff322337997879c587b4df1167dca Subject: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--30dff322337997879c587b4df1167dca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain --30dff322337997879c587b4df1167dca
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain
--30dff322337997879c587b4df1167dca--

What does it mean?  Any ideas?


David is spot on in his discussion of why it was done and what the
probable reason was.

If you want to know that those headers themselves, and all other
headers in email, mean, here's a good readable presentation about mail
headers:

http://www.stopspam.org/email/headers.html


And if you want to see the headers in Outlook, do this:

# Click the "File" menu
# Click "Properties"
# Click the "Details" tab
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Re: [wdvltalk] What is it called?

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On 8/7/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

I was wondering what that thing is called that they use on amazon.com
when you mouseover the "See all 34 product categories" - the window that
appears. I would like to try and emulate that on another site.

Thanks,
Riva


Looks to be  javascript popover. Disable your javascript and it vanishes.

The page popped is
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/home/all-stores.html/002-1250673-5529639.

I've no idea what the meaning of the reference number after the page
(all-stores.html) is.

The popover doesn't seem to work at all in Opera9x. Wonder if that has
anything to do with the thumbnail previews.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Mouseover not working

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On 7/17/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

I suddenly found that my mouseover is not working on certain menu
buttons. I have no idea why. Would someone mind taking a look and see if
you can tell me what the problem is?
http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/BestHealth/


Works fine here too. xp, ie6.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Link not working in FF

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On 6/30/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks Drew. I am a little unclear (no pun intended) on the clearing,
but will do some reading up on it.

Riva


Two major points about positioning and clearing. First is that
absolute and float take elements out of the normal flow of the
document. While the placement of such elements is respected, normal
content will attempt to fill any gaps left by such non-normal blocks.
So when a positioned element doesn't take up the entire width of the
document, the normal content will try to squeeze into the empty space.

A clear will tell the browser to not do that but instead to drop below
the non-normal element.

That would be easy to handle. So just to make it interesting, there
are times when browsers (yes IE is the most egregious) will decide
that floats in particular have no content, no matter what you think
you've put in them. Content of such floats are rendered as normal
flow, with often astonishing visual results. The cure for that is to
put an otherwise empty clear within the float.

While it is possible to deal with the discreet conditions which cause
this in an elegant fashion you should be forewarned that when IE7
arrives, many of these elegant solutions won't function properly. It's
easier to use the industrial strength solution of an empty float
element and bare the shame of being accused of classitis or divitis by
the purists.

A good explanation of floats is found at:

http://www.brainjar.com/css/positioning/


If you want the details of why you have the problem in the first
place, this will do

http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html

There used to be some good pieces on Position is Everything but those
articles now seem to be for sale.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Link not working in FF

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On 6/27/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

I find that a link on a page is not working in FF. I validated the CSS
and the HTML and it works in IE but I cannot figure out why it is not
working. It is the link on the word "here" in Choose a body part for
quick links or click here
 for more
detailed links. Any help would be much appreciated.


I'm a bit behind in my reading so this is a bit late.

The page is having problems in FF1.5 and Opera9. Essentially, the few
links which show are in the header and the area of the page below the
"Links" title is blank. Looks fine in IE.

When I put borders around the headermain, subheader and bodytext, the
boxes are problematic. That is, border doesn't go all the way around
either the headermain or the bodytext.  The subheader is comletely
contained in the border. The links are shoved into the header box.

In a floated design this would be the result of improper clearing.
Your design seems to be primarily absolutely and relatively positioned
elements. Relative is often used to compensate for many IE problems.
If that's what you've done, it's created severe problems in other
browsers.  Nonetheless, if anything is floated, you might want to
check that it is properly cleared. Drop in a few clearing elements and
see if it helps.

Drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Need CSS help

[Drew Trusz]

On 6/19/06, Diane Schips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I know I'm behind the times, but this is my first attempt to design a
site in CSS.  I'm having a problem with this layout:
https://secure.enticedbynature.com/Soap.asp.  The blue on the left is
supposed to go all the way to the bottom.  But if the content area gets
too long, it stops before the bottom of the page.

My style sheet is below.  I'm sure there are lots of better ways to do
what I did, so I would welcome any feedback on it.

You'll notice I have two body styles, that's because the first style is
always ignored.  I don't know why that happens either.



First attempts with css are generally unpleasant. The difference in
concepts between a table and tableless orientation is significant. You
design contains 6 nested tables, according to Opera so this will take
some doing.

The next thing is to understand the concept of the faux columns. This
technique requires setting the body background to the color of the
shortest column and then changing the background of the longer
columns. This can be done both for absolute and liquid designs.

An good source for understanding different designs can still be found at:
http://www.positioniseverything.net
The site also has a good discussion on floats.

I'd suggest that you put colored borders around each of your divisions
so you can see just exactly what it is you've done. All to often the
results are vastly different from the intent. Working out what has
gone wrong will solve many problems.

I'd suggest you go all the way and dump the tables. If you want to use
this as a learning lab, replacing the tables would be a good thing to
to work on. You'll get lots of suggestions here on how to do that.

So start by adding that doctype then put borders around you divisions
and see what you've got. FF is a good browser for doing this kind of
thing since tyou can edit the css on the fly (tools |web developer
|css |edit css).

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Re: [wdvltalk] Rollover woes

[Drew Trusz]

On 6/19/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

That is weird. I just tried again now and it works fine. ?? Did you
click on the link or type in the address yourself?
(http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/BestHealth/)

Peter MacGregor wrote:
> Got "Page not found"! (using Firefox!!)
>


For me it only works in IE.

Opera 8.52 doesn't show the main text  headings(Head, Chest etc) but
several of the submenues will display when the appropriate portion of
the body image is clicked. But not all of the submenus display.

FF and Moz are even worse. No main headings and no submenues.

The javascript console on FF, not surprisingly, shows a lot of errors.
The first is that the the swapImage is not defined. 4 such errors in
Line 1. No image; no swap. The rest of the errors have to do with
unknown properties causing declarations to be dropped; which would
cause problems with displaying things. Have a look yourself.

The problem then seems to be that the js is sufficiently at odds with
ecma standards so as to cause failure in more modern browsers.
Dreamweaver is not the most standards friendly text editor. You may
have to redo the js to get it to work. I don't have a handy
replacement script but I imagine someone here does or can point you to
a good resource.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Logos - another version

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On 6/13/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/gimp/houselogo.gif

Any comments welcome.

Riva


Looks good.

If they are not just commercial realty, perhaps a little house in
front of the office buildings?

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Re: [wdvltalk] Logo opinions

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On 6/13/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks Drew.

I have been having second thoughts about the dollar sign in the key - it
could signify a bank or money lender. Yep, done with Gimp. I love that
program.

Riva


Maybe a small image of a house behind the key and maybe to the left of
the shaft of the P? Something that reinforces and clarifies the
message of the key?

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Re: [wdvltalk] Logo opinions

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On 6/12/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,

I posted the logo(s) I made to
http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/gimp/logo1B.gif and
http://www.starqualitydesigns.com/gimp/logo1A.gif. I would appreciate
opinions.


This is for the real estate lawyers?

If so, the house key makes sense. The initials are presumably those of
the firm -- P Reality or whatever. The dollar sign is a little
ambiguous. It could mean good value for the money or high cost.  What
are you trying to convey with it?

Done with the gimp? Nicely so. It isn't "fuzzy" more muted like the
charcoal drawing it resembles to me.

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Re: [wdvltalk] font-size in Firefox

[Drew Trusz]

On 6/8/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello everyone,

There is a little something I am having a problem with in Firefox, if you can
imagine that!  I was working on something that all needed to fit on one page for
printing, and it required the font-size to be pretty small (but not unreadable
mind you).  I tried setting the font-size value to .5em, which is smaller in IE6
than in Firefox (1.5.0.4).  So, I wanted it just a tad bit smaller, and set the
value at .4.  Well nothing changed in Firefox.



The font setting is under Tools | Options then Fonts & Colors --
Advanced. There is a minimum font size selection box and a check box
for allowing pages to choose their own size instead of your
selections.  Perhaps you need to play with these a little to get the
size you want.

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Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: http://www.gregoriopools.com/

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On 4/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, heres the second go-around. I replaced the TABLEs with
> positioned CSS elements, and worked on some of the glitches that I
> had before. The color scheme is not changed because the client likes
> it too much. I did not center this design yet, nor put much space on the
> left or top margins because I am still working on it and want it good to
> go first.

Positioning works. You are going to move all the style statements into
the css files?  Leaving all those styles and spans is not good.

The xml prolog and  IE quirks mode matter remains.

And while it isn't likely to be related to the prolog business, I
don't get either the logo image or the background for the nav in IE.

Really,  really bad thing  - font sized fixed in px. Switch to em. 
Leave it to the end user to decide how big  the font should be.

Beyond that it's just a matter of personal taste about how it looks.
And it looks okay to me.  I wouldn't run from the site based on how it
looks.

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Re: [wdvltalk] is gmail next door to useless?

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On 4/23/06, Joseph Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Practically no links appear to be working on my gmail account.   Is this
> just me, or is there some problem?
>
> Hunt as I might I cannot find a contact address for the mighty empire of do
> no evil, not that I can get more than a few links to work (search is the
> main one, and archive!!!).
>
> Joseph
>
>
The the "settings" link in the upper right hand corner. It will at
least get you forums.

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Re: [wdvltalk] ASP question again

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On 4/21/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know ASP . . .  I want the form to make sure that both fields
> have been filled in before it will submit the form.
>
> Thanks,
> Riva
>

> >>
> >> Response.Write "Please click back on your browser and complete
> >> the following fields:"
> >> IF strName <> ""
> >>
> >> Response.Write "• Name"
> >> END IF
> >>
> >

> >> IF strEmail <> ""
> >>
> >> Response.Write "• Email"
> >> END IF
What you want then is just an if no else. So if string is empty show
Name or Email  with the instructions to go back and complete.

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Re: [wdvltalk] ASP question again

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On 4/21/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> ELSE
>
> Response.Write "Please click back on your browser and complete
> the following fields:"
> IF strName <> "" THEN
> ELSE
> Response.Write "• Name"
> END IF

Don't you want it to do something after the THEN before the ELSE?

> IF strEmail <> "" THEN
> ELSE
> Response.Write "• Email"
> END IF

Same thing for this THEN.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Flash pricing question

[Drew Trusz]

On 4/18/06, Peter MacGregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh yes it does!!
>
> List-Subscribe:
> ,
>  
>
>

Not only there, it works.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Flash pricing question

[Drew Trusz]

On 4/18/06, Peter MacGregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> I think you'll find that this sort of discussion
> (on pricing) is banned on this list. However,
> move it to wdvl Social List at
> wdvltalk-social@wdvltalk-social.org.uk and you'll get responses.
>
> Peter MacGregor
>


That may prove a little difficult since
http://www.wdvltalk-social.org.uk/ doesn't seem to offer a means to
join the list.

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Re: [wdvltalk] ASP question again

[Drew Trusz]

On 4/16/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My ASP script is working great (thanks again) but I find the e-mail
> comes out all on one line, like this:
>
> Form Field Values realname : (name) email : (email)
>
>
> This is the code:
>
> For Each obj in request.form
> body = body & obj & " : " & request.form(obj) & vbCrLf
> Next
> body = body & ""
>
>
> Is there a way to make it appear all on separate lines, like so?
>
> Realname: (name)
> Email: (email)

Since nobody else has given this a go, I'll make a suggestion. Keep in
mind I only patch this stuff and really write in it, but I think this
would work:

body=body & obj & ":" & request.form(obj) & "
" &vbCrLf

Cheryl could probably nail it easily.


drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Site Check: http://www.gregoriopools.com/

[Drew Trusz]

On 4/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> TY Drew,
>   I am using the XHTML for 2 reasons, 1 - I plan on using XML based
> applications for customers to review their account online, as well as
> serve information on chemicals and relevent federal and state
> guidelines for pool & spa owners.
>
> Table-wise, the tables are there right now to get a nice format and
> structure that works, I plan on converting to CSS based positioning in
> the near future - the only problem I have with that is that IE and other
> browsers tend to display CSS positioning in their own special ways, I
> want to try and make this as cross browser as possible while
> maintaining usability and a functional design.

That explains it.

The caution about the prolog still stands.  Support for xml in
browsers is pretty much current generation so most older browsers
won't handle an xml page. If you haven't already, see:

http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_browsers.asp


If you want to learn a bit more about possible ways to deal with IE,
http://www.positioniseverything.net , is always a good start. The IE
section explains what IE does very clearly. It also offers a number of
hacks. Keep in mind that the hacks may or may not work with IE7. There
are other perfectly valid ways to handle many of the problems without
the hacks. Be forewarned some of those ways will raise accusations of
sinful if not outrightly perverted syntax, even though the syntax is
perfectly valid -- divitis and excessive markup.

Good luck with the update.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Site Check: http://www.gregoriopools.com/

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On 4/11/06, Ann Dietz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think the marbleized grayed-out blue would be complimented by a background
> that is medium tan/light clay color... with a cream color font for the
> contents of the left sidebar.

That's not marbleized blue, its crystal clear, see-to-the-bottom water.

Eyes do vary in what they see and tolerate. Although I do like your
color scheme.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Site Check: http://www.gregoriopools.com/

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On 4/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Its been a while but im back looking for some more third-party advice. Please 
> take a
> look at my clients web site [http://www.gregoriopools.com/] - I just recently 
> rescued it
> from a fate worse then death, or at least made it so that it didn't have a 
> funky '90s look
> and feel (when i took over this year the site hadnt been updated since 2002).
>

Nothing wrong with the color pallette; it works fine.

The appearance issues have been well covered and David has made a good
start on the technical. From a technical point of view, drop the xml
prolog, it's unnecessary unless the pages are being servedf as
applicaltion/ xhtml+xml. All this does otherwise is to throw IE into
quirks mode, which might explain some of the IE issues you hint at. Go
all the way and go for the strict; html would be fine.

Most importantly, this is not tabular data so why is it a table
layout? There is a certain inconsistency between proclaim xhtml
validity and using a layout antithetical to the spirit of xhtml. Your
table is rife with font tags. Why?

And there are lovely arcane debates which can be engaged in over the
use of strong versus a span. And the perpetual favorites about when
markup crosses the line between semantic and styling. Those are fun
but really not the issue of the moment.

Seriously, why tables? This is a pretty basic two column layout which
is easily managable with floats and em for width (centering is a piece
of cake). If you haven't already, check out some of the layouts on
position is everything http://www.positioniseverything.net Or ask
here. You know we aren't shy about helping.

That said, it looks good. I don't see the jumps but then eyes vary.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Can this cause me to be blacklisted?

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On 4/6/06, Diane Schips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just received 198 bounced/failed/blocked email messages for one of my email 
> addresses.  While I didn't read all of them, they all seem to be the same 
> drug-for-male-enhancement-spam ad, and all seem to have come from the same 
> place if I read the headers right.
>
> I'm worried that people reporting these as spam could get my domain 
> blacklisted, and even if it didn't, I don't want to be associated with this 
> junk.  Should I report this to anyone, alerting them that these didn't come 
> from me?  Should I save them, since they have the header info, in case I do 
> get blacklisted?
>
You might get reported but anyone who understands mail headers will
know you aren't the source. Still you might want to tell your isp what
is happening; they may want to keep their reputation from being
besmerched.

Anyone wanting to know about mailheaders can have a look at:

http://www.stopspam.org/email/headers.html

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] Network problems AGAIN

[Drew Trusz]

On 3/27/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>  then she synched her desktop
> with a u3 flash disc with Migo software and says now that her laptop
> cannot find the wireless network at all.  She says that the connection
> works for maybe a minute and then she gets a message to repair - she
> does the repair and a minute later the same thing happens.  She also
> cannot get on her remote desktop connection from the laptop.
>

You have such interesting problems, Riva.

Are you saying she has a u3 with Migo on it? That arrangement is new
to the market. Haven't seen it much less used it. If she is trying to
use a Migo drive to sync a separate u3, I don't think that will work.
Migo is a portable profile and data system. u3 is a protable app and
data system. The two are now being combined by some vendors. If she
has the combined system, a call to tech support would seem in order.

She could have something on the u3 which isn't playing nice with the
laptop. It's hard to guess without knowing what's on the u3. Best
general advice would be to uninstall and reinstall the wireless card.
And to check her settings for remote desktop on the laptop, in
particular which users are allowed to use remote.

Really interesting stuff that u3.

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Re: [wdvltalk] Potential website

[Drew Trusz]

On 3/25/06, Portman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> The client has 10 sql databases in his hosting plan and php support.  I
> don't know php - is there somewhere I can find a "ready made" script?
>
Standard php sources:

http://www.php.net/

http://www.phpbuilder.com/   -- for tutorials

If you are going to use phmysql admin to manage the databases, here's
the source:

http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/index.php

There are also a number of very skilled php people on this list who
will, I'm sure, be happy to help.

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: GRRRRR!!! shared folders are empty!

[Drew Trusz]

On 3/16/06, PBC Web Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 09:07 PM 3/16/2006, you wrote:
> >I understood it isn't instantaneous after this was mentioned.  It's
> >been hours and still not showing up even earlier when I wrote.
>
> I just tried another folder that has .txt files in it only.  Rebooted
> both computers. It shared fine, can see it on the laptop.  Then I
> added a test.txt to the newly shared desktop folder, never showed up
> in the laptop.  It doesn't make any sense that some folders will
> share and others won't does it?  I'm taking the same steps each time.
> If I add a file to an already shared folder on the desktop that I can
> see on the laptop, is it not supposed to show up on the laptop shared
> folder? Please tell me I don't have to reboot each time I add a file
> to a shared folder in order for it to show up!
>

This is the MS guide to setting up a home network. It's a good how to
beginning with installing a nic and finishing with printer sharing.
Have a look at it using IE since FF has some trouble with some of the
"features" of the pages.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813936/en-us

And please be sure that you have a router between your network and the
cable modem. As Mark's cited article points out, using anything other
that a router (like a swithc or hub)  just opens your machines to the
world.

When you are describing how you share, it sounds at times as if you
expect the shared folder to be duplicated on another machine. That
doesn't happen. The shared folder remains on its own machine. What
sharing does is let you see that directory and its contents from
another machine. If you add to the shared folder there is no need to
do more than refresh your share on the other machine to see the new
content.

The reason you create a share on each machine is so that the human can
see the shares in "my computer". Each share is identified as being on
a particular machine again for the convenience of the humans.

If you want to name all of the shared files the same, go ahead. They
will be identified by the computer name. Just don't expect to find
files in "shared on desktop" in "shared on laptop". That isn't how it
works.

If that's too simplistic, I appologize. But at times you seem to be
expecting that to happen. At other times you seem to understand the
process fully. Remote troubleshooting often trips over things like
this.

Follow the MS steps and it should fix all your problems.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] recommendations for hosting service

[Drew Trusz]

On 3/8/06, Furry, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> A friend and I are getting to the point that we need a serious hosting
> solution for different development projects.  Looking for a U.S.
> provider, someone who supports .NET 2.0, SQL Server 2000/2005 (multiple
> databases), etc.  Our problem is that the multiple databases get charged
> per each, and we quickly run up estimates that approach the cost of
> leasing a dedicated server, and we're not quite to THAT point yet.  :-)
>
> Was hoping to keep it in the US$ 50-100/month range or so.  Any ideas?
>
Have a look at CIHost. Check the "details" on their "Innovator". The
db is based on total size. Often if you talk to them or email in your
case, you can work something out.

http://www.cihost.com/products/shared-hosting/windows.php


drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT, but not OT enough! spam using my email address

[Drew Trusz]

On 3/4/06, Joseph Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have had returned a spam mail that had been sent under the envlope of an
> email address  I rarely make use of;I am wondering how the address was
> found, patrticularly as another address with that server gets piles of spam.
>
> However, my question is not how does it happen, nore how can I stop it.
> But is there any place to send it where it might help to shut down the
> spammer?
>
>
Joseph, sadly for you, Peter and the rest of us, short of major
changes in how mail is processed,  we can't eliminate spam. Even if
every mail server were properly configured (and we are a long way from
that), unless people stop responding, you can't eliminate spam.  Spam
exists because it makes money.

You can cut down the amount you receive. One way is to let your email
client filter  the mail along with insisting your isp do so or
changing to an isp which does. If you insist on using Outlook, here's
MS's version of how to filter:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010450041033.aspx

In general, this wikipedia entry may be of help. Bayesian filters are
particularly popular and seem to be extremely effective:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_filter

If you want a hardware solution much like a Bayesian filter, try Deep
Six Technology:(its impressive but really meant for large scale
operations, but even with that market it's cheap -- if much to much
for most home applications -- $999US)

http://www.deep6tech.com/

Finally, if you want to let others know about spammers, check the
google directory for those blacklists which seem to make sense to you:

http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Internet/Abuse/Spam/Blacklists/


Beyond this, there are other techniques advocated for obscuring email
addresses. They take more effort than they are worth in general. But
that's a matter of personal choice. Mostly you just have to live with
it.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: sharing a printer isn't working

[Drew Trusz]

On 3/4/06, PBC Web Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've tried this numerous times and I can't get it to work.  Hope
> someone here can help.
>
> I have a desktop and a laptop computer both running WinXP Home
> edition.  I have one printer that I'd like both puters to be able to
> use to print with.  I have a Linksys wireless router set up and the
> two puters share this connection for Internet just fine.  But I can't
> get the laptop to use the printer.  I get error messages every time I
> try ... something about not being able to connect or similar as I
> recall ... error msg text is found later in this post.
>

You have a workgroup not a network. No server, no network. The
machines have to be made aware of each other and resources have to be
properly shared.

Here's a good how to which will work for wireless:

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/home-network.htm

Do it step-by-step for what you have. I'd suggest reading it through
before starting. Ask any further questions that come up.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] A new site....

[Drew Trusz]

On 2/23/06, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I wonder if you could test a new site of mine.
>
> http://www.justmyopinion.co.uk/
>
> You should be able to log in etc, but don't be surprised if it takes a
> while to approve subjects or posts as I'm at work at the moment and I'm
> the only one that can! :)
>
> Look forward to you criticisms,

Start with validation. You've got some errors to fix including
multiple body and html closing tags.

drew

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: Low disk space

[Drew Trusz]

On 2/15/06, Peter MacGregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have 4.3 Gb free space on a 12 Gb disk - yet I keep getting
> messages that I am low on disk space!
>
> This is my C Drive and I try to install everything on a different
> (and much larger) drive but some programs insist in installing
> themselves on C - is there any way to change that when no option is
> given to  install elsewhere?
>
> I'm not talking about Windows progs. I'd like to confine C to
> Windows, Anti-virus and Firewall if possible but (for example) I'd
> like to have MS Office, Quick Time and others installed elsewhere -
> but there doesn't seem to be an option to do this. I appreciate they
> may have to write a small amount to the Registry, but I'd like the
> bulk put clear of all "engine room" stuff.
>

Start by moving your swap file to the larger drive.If you've not done
it berfore, the windows help files can walk you through it.

You might want to consider moving your "Documents and Settings" to the
larger drive as well.

The MS Knowledge Base has a variety of articles you might want to
investigate dealing with low disk space.

drew

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