On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, kent williams wrote:
The best strategy is to use the OS Search function to find all the
loose MP3s on your machine, and marshal them into one place, where you
can use a tool like 'Tag and Rename' to get the tags right. Then let
iTunes (or some other librarian program)
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From: Jari Tolkkinen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 January 2008 12:29
To: kent williams
Cc: Thor Teague; list 313
Subject: Re: (313) Digital Djing - Organization
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, kent williams wrote:
The best strategy is to use the OS Search
Like I'm going to take time to do that from a tropical beach paradise.
No tellings off for anyone who says club PAs need sorting anyway. Or in
the UK anyway (if you're coming to the B I think you might like the ones
there :-)
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From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 10:20:51AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not really up my on physics, but if you zoom in far enough into an analog
recording at a subatomic level aren't there discrete steps (or does it just
keep going?)
The Quantum Mechanics of Recording. Anyone?
Sounds like a
Ik know. I started using that plugin since someone from this list
mentioned it. But that probably was you. Keep up the good work! It`s
been a great help to me.
Peter
On 1/4/08, Michael Pujos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally however I, prefer foobar2000, especially in combination
with the
Some interesting views from the artist-label point of view come up here.
From a consumer's point of view I'd say that vinyl is not the only
area of life where we are facing a transition from physical to digital
objects. The same problems come up with things like books.
I have two opinions
Just reading this
http://www.cybernetic-broadcasting.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12749p=3
It got me to thinking about laptop preformances sounding so sterile and
thin, especially over a club PA where you need to feel part of the
sound...I wonder if playing a blank sided record through the PA at
JT Stewart a écrit :
if you recorded at a super high bitrate, it would be pretty dang
close. but still, what you would have is a snapshot, translated into
0's and 1's. at the micro scale, all the soft edges in an analog
record get turned into jagged edges..the sound is necessarily altered
Perhaps playing a silent record is going to far :) ... but it's a fair
point.
Still, if your file's digitized from vinyl you would get all the
benefits of the medium in the audio quality too, I guess?
I've never had any comment that the sound coming from my laptop is any
different to that
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
Just reading this
http://www.cybernetic-broadcasting.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12749p=3
It got me to thinking about laptop preformances sounding so sterile and
thin, especially over a club PA where you need to feel part of the
sound
0's and 1's. at the micro scale, all the soft edges in an analog
record
recording, doh
if you recorded at a super high bitrate, it would be pretty dang
close. but still, what you would have is a snapshot, translated into
0's and 1's. at the micro scale, all the soft edges in an analog
record get turned into jagged edges..the sound is necessarily altered
during the analog-to-digital
You know, like there's so much silence comes
from an mp3/laptop that you can't hear the music...
Brilliant, reminds me of this:
Beans, in cans, how handy is that.
Bez
m
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Subject: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
Just reading this
http://www.cybernetic-broadcasting.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12749p=3
It got me to thinking about laptop preformances sounding so sterile and
thin, especially over a club PA where you need to feel part of the
sound...I wonder
@robin yes yes of course, that's your preference. trust me, your
resignation to the disappearance of vinyl from your life does not
represent the world.
Absolutely. There's plenty of room for misinterpretation here - I'm
just presenting a point of view that's common. As it happens I hold
two
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Sent: 04 January 2008 13:35
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
Just reading this
http://www.cybernetic-broadcasting.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12749p=3
It got me to thinking about laptop preformances sounding so sterile and
thin, especially over
I'm not really up my on physics, but if you zoom in far enough into an analog
recording at a subatomic level aren't there discrete steps (or does it just
keep going?)
-Jim
Quoting JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
if you recorded at a super high bitrate, it would be pretty dang
close. but still,
IF (and only IF) your MP3s are all properly tagged by artist and
album, ITunes will do a good job of 1) finding them all over your
computer and 2) building a directory tree with all the files sorted by
artist/album.
Of course, what really happens is that you end up with 300 hours of
music by
I've got a pretty small record collection that I sort by vibe but way too many
mp3s strewn all over the place in different folders due to often restoring my pc
from a backup image. I'm curious as to how you guys are organizing all your
digital music?
-Jim
totally right benoit, excellent point...although i do personally know
some people who lay it down in the studio onto tape with little to no
digital in the mix, but that's besides the point. the important
question is whether the difference is significant, which comes down to
Yeah. I learned that the hard way. Exacerbating the problem, in my
case, was the fact that iTunes eats long filenames when it imports an
mp3 into the library. So I had 50 files named Host - The
Mechanica[1-50].mp3... or something. Trying to figure out airdates of
10+ year old radio shows is not an
there are, but they have infinitely varying shapes, intervals, etc, as
opposed to digital, which is made of identical little blocks, if you
will.
On Jan 4, 2008 11:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not really up my on physics, but if you zoom in far enough into an analog
recording at a
The best strategy is to use the OS Search function to find all the
loose MP3s on your machine, and marshal them into one place, where you
can use a tool like 'Tag and Rename' to get the tags right. Then let
iTunes (or some other librarian program) organize them for you...
On Jan 4, 2008 10:29 AM,
A needle wiggling in a groove is a continuous function of the original
signal. A digital recording is a a digital piecewise approximation.
In the end it doesn't really matter -- to my ears it all sounds good
when the music itself is good.
On Jan 4, 2008 10:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm
If the new Winamp has a similar built-in Organization function, I may
ditch iTunes, though, since I don't have an iPod anymore. I've always
considered Winamp's sound fidelity to be superior.
If you like winamp you`ll love this guide:
http://www.techspot.com/tweaks/winamp/. It has a section on
JT Stewart a écrit :
the access to music that digital files allow and all that is great
when viewed narrowly -- valuing the music only and disregarding
context. but it is inarguably a deeper experience which allows deeper
understanding to hold a record/tape/cd in your hands than to have a
Personally however I, prefer foobar2000, especially in combination
with the foodiscogs plugin for tagging. :-D
Pete
Thanks for the mention as I wrote this plugin :)
discussion/download/screenshots of foo_discogs:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=50523
To me, this whole concept of : the music associated to a physical
object makes it better does not hold.
well, that's not my argument. the object does not make the music
itself any better or worse. it is just a vessel that contains more
cultural artifacts and other contextual/background
the difference is like comparing a strobe like to a fluorescent light.
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To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: (313) Digital Djing]
I'm not really up my on physics, but if you zoom in far
Interesting points have been raised here. Actually I think cover artwork
is the easiest way to remind a track for a vinyl collector.
When i raised the 1000+ records in my collection, i still could (by
seeing a record artwork or listening to it) remember by heart the name
of EPs, label cat,
Hi all,
A very interesting discussion. Much had been said about it, so i`ll
try to keep it short. My solution to this problem is inspired on a
discussion that was held on this list before. There was a discussion
about how to sort your records. This is essentially the same
discussion. At that time
could not agree more with Benoit.
very good points. the selection process is what makes or breaks the DJ.
bad selection, kills a mood, and this is easy to do when frustrated by
not being able to remember what tracks sound like. this happens with me
on accasion, when using FS2.
for the very
Regarding this - and slightly diverting the topic - for those that work
at/operate/own labels or sell your music via download (and forgive me for
being ignorant/naive about this)
does the sale of downloads ever generate enough revenue to allow you to
press up limited numbers of vinyl?
I would
In regard to memory and recognition of objects - I would imagine that the
more factors you have to help with recall the better.
You don't have time for auditory so we pretty much have only some sort of
visual recognition to rely on.
Symbols (artwork/logos, etc), colour (artwork, center labels,
I already feel kinda sick spending half of this morning defending
digital music for DJs.. but, anyway...
In regard to memory and recognition of objects - I would imagine
that the
more factors you have to help with recall the better.
You don't have time for auditory so we pretty much have
Keep dreaming man..
telepathic regards,
the kooky scientist
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Regarding this - and slightly diverting the topic - for those that work
at/operate/own labels or sell your music via download (and forgive me for
I agree, I think that of course, there's an attachment to vinyl or a
physical object because of the artwork + packaging.I think there's
it's much deeper than that. the content/nature of the object is
essentially irrelevant, from a more abstracted pov. objects accrue
considerable value simply by
Intersting article, in French. Maybe someone can translate? (PS : if u
have an add, you can skip it)
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,[EMAIL PROTECTED],36-994999,0.html
TO ADD SOMETHING, I ask WHY digital DJ softwares do not have integrated
somethiong like COVER FLOW you can find on Itunes
TO ADD SOMETHING, I ask WHY digital DJ softwares do not have
integrated somethiong like COVER FLOW you can find on Itunes / Ipod?
Even more, this feature should be completed by the same interface
you have on Ipod Touch / Iphone, displaying the tracklisting of the
album on the back of the
Easy, because noboby's written it yet. Let's face it, the second anyone saw
that they instantly thought now that would be nice
with Ableton!
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From: Benoît Pueyo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 January 2008 08:25
TO ADD SOMETHING, I ask WHY digital DJ softwares
As a side note. I wouldn't expect this to come from the Ableton folk.
They seem to have gone down the DAW route a lot recently rather than
concentrating on performance.
robin...
A side note of a side note: it looks like it doesn't it Robin? Still, a friend
of mine showed me a recent (maybe
*Coverflow*
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From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 January 2008 14:19
To: robin; Benoît Pueyo
Cc: list 313
Subject: RE: (313) Digital Djing
As a side note. I wouldn't expect this to come from the Ableton folk.
They seem to have gone down the DAW route
A side note of a side note: it looks like it doesn't it Robin?
Still, a friend of mine showed me a recent (maybe the latest? Not
sure) build of Ableton yesterday and even though yes, Ableton now
does everything that the average DAW does and perhaps more, it is
still much more performance
Actually, the Ms Pinky Maxi Patch application's file browser is so primitive,
they suggest you use iTunes as a music library front end. So in effect, I
browse iTunes using the coverflow view, and drag and drop the file/song onto
the appropriate Maxi Patch deck.
However, it's really not
Benoît Pueyo a écrit :
Intersting article, in French. Maybe someone can translate? (PS : if u
have an add, you can skip it)
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,[EMAIL PROTECTED],36-994999,0.html
TO ADD SOMETHING, I ask WHY digital DJ softwares do not have
integrated somethiong like COVER
But that's not the point - what you're saying is fine if you already know what
track you're going to play next. For someone like me
who for years has been used to flicking through his records to decide what to
play next Coverflow would be ideal. Things seem to
leap out more to us simple minded
interesting...i think this has more to do with music
appreciation/collecting than dj'ing (although relevant to many dj's),
turning digital music into a digital object closer to what we
experience with actual objects. we had like a 30 page argument
touching on that on c-b-s recently.
On Jan 2,
When I first read this I thought yes I'm sure that's absolutely right.
But then I thought a little bit more and I'm not sure it's the whole answer.
What I think looking at covers (real or virtual) gives me is some information /
association that I can absorb very quickly and use
to make a decision
i have used Final Scratch 2 for the past 2 years, to some success.
however, i am still not able to play a proper, balls out set with it.
not because the tunes are not there, but because:-
1. the sound quality is not an iota on vinyl
2. i agree with senor Francis on the covers thing. much easier
as an avid vinyl collector for the last 20+ years, [who also made the
mistake of buying entire catalogues of some labels on cassette, sadly]..
I originally thought I'd hate to use a digital imitation of the real
thing.
Especially from the packaging perspective [which led me into being a
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