Greetings,
Forwarding on behalf of Herr Miller, Heidelberg.
Herein - news of a compilation with music including pieces by DJ
Genesis, DJ Minx, Alice Coltrane, and also featuring Mike Grant, amongst
others.
Cheers,
Ken
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Female Future Transatlantic-CD
The only way forward I can see for artists is this:
1. Give away lossy digital copies of your music, as promotion.
2. Emphasize the audio quality of the 'real thing' -- the paid for copy.
3. Make sure the physical object you're selling adds value over the
digital copy -- either by adding
I like the idea of #3 very much - vinyl only tracks would be a welcome
change from CD only tracks
plus well designed packaging is always encouraged.
Little pluses are so cool - buy a 12 to find a sticker slipped inside.
It's fairly common in rock music to find little things like record
label
This guy wrote a manifesto on the topic .
saved me thinking to hard about it all .
http://montemagno.typepad.com/p2p_manifesto/
You know the only person making money is the
person selling bandwidth .
I guess I know where to start investing ' eh
Dr. Lester K. Spence wrote:
On
On Jan 15, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Kent Williams wrote:
As far as file copying, CD ripping etc, the piggies are out of the
barn. Most DRM systems can be defeated pretty easily, and when all
else fails, anyone with a good soundcard can make a high quality
digital copy via analog loopback of
As far as file copying, CD ripping etc, the piggies are out of the
barn. Most DRM systems can be defeated pretty easily, and when all
else fails, anyone with a good soundcard can make a high quality
digital copy via analog loopback of protected digital files.
So DRM is a joke. It only stops
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Subject
(313) the future
1: Those new DVDs made out of paper that can store 25 gigs on them
2: 'Toothing'
Ronny Pries [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/04/2004 10:02:17 pm
since this thread seems to be related to the things we know for a long
time, i'd be interested in your 2 latest discoveries of which you think
they are new
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
whatever happened to the future?
did it become an outdated concept?
as I sat watching Matthew Herbert and his bag of crisps band last night, I
realised I was watching a 50 year old (at least) show.
then, I thought, all the bands I've seen lately
Kamal Stoddard can't post to the list so asked me to share this:
There's a people which i'm sure some of you are familiar with in Mali called
the Dogon. Their oral history details an account of an alien called Manu
descending from the Sirius-b star and blessing them with civilization, and some
- Subject: RE: (313) the future (Red Planet)
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-
- Kamal Stoddard can't post to the list so asked me to share this:
-
- There's a people which i'm sure some of you are familiar
- with in Mali called the Dogon. Their oral history details an
- account of an alien called Manu descending from
my indicators that time isn't holding its breath.
01. my son started with his why? why? why? asking period. if anybody
knows the switch to make him stfu for a while, let me know ;)
02. mausland (http://www.mausland.de) doesn't start with 10.000
flashsplashscreens anymore. instead, they've got
Ronny Pries wrote:
last not least:
i heard dennis desantis first track with a real bassdrum ;)
(dig-button on thn050)
hmm?
--
Dennis DeSantis
www.dennisdesantis.com
that one's got a way more punchy kick than the other tracks i heard from
you. kinda surprised me in a way.
Dennis DeSantis wrote:
Ronny Pries wrote:
last not least:
i heard dennis desantis first track with a real bassdrum ;)
(dig-button on thn050)
hmm?
Ronny Pries wrote:
that one's got a way more punchy kick than the other tracks i heard from
you. kinda surprised me in a way.
That's interesting, because it's the first track I ever did entirely in
headphones. I mixed it in Berlin this summer, before my speakers got
shipped from the
http://www.forcefield.org/mt_ks.html
V interesting ... I didn't know 'Big Fun' was a cover of a Gap Band track!
S'what it says here!
k
William Gibson speaks to this in film No Maps to These Territories, when
he says that he realized his job was getting almost impossible after
finding out Michael Jackson was marrying Elvis's daughter.. Current
events are getting so ridiculous coming up with startling visions of the
future is
whatever happened to the future?
did it become an outdated concept?
as I sat watching Matthew Herbert and his bag of crisps band last night, I
realised I was watching a 50 year old (at least) show.
then, I thought, all the bands I've seen lately have harked to the past,
really heavily. All the
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 April 2004 09:50
even techno isn't futuristic any more...
so why? is it too scary to contemplate any more?
For a lot of people, definitely. Arguably, any form of truly
futuristic music being made today
Brendan wrote
For a lot of people, definitely. Arguably, any form of truly
futuristic music being made today would need to be fairly
terrifying, while ever since the 1950s future-gazing has been
characterised by optimism, by these ideas of a bright and
shiny high-tech future.
People like
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 April 2004 09:50
even techno isn't futuristic any more...
so why? is it too scary to contemplate any more?
For a lot of people, definitely. Arguably, any form of truly
futuristic music being made today
i guess, a part of it could be because the year 2000 has passed?
as 2000 wasn't that far away for a long time, and with the magic of the
number,
like 'dreaming' that would be a year when all things would be better /
utopia
filled in, by everybody their own purposes / dreams
and i guess, we need
Subject: RE: (313) the future
i guess, a part of it could be because the year 2000 has passed?
as 2000 wasn't that far away for a long time, and with the magic of the
number,
like 'dreaming' that would be a year when all things would be better /
utopia
filled in, by everybody their own purposes
face it, you're living a longtime relationship with the things you know,
that's why they appear old, used or even boring to you. time to change
the point of view maybe?
ronny
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
whatever happened to the future?
did it become an outdated concept?
as I sat watching
whatever happened to the future?
did it become an outdated concept?
sign of the times..
new ideas and concepts always question and destabilize your way of thinking,
feeling, reacting, living. and there's a great potential of failure. you
need some spare energy to cope with that.
old stuff is
: (313) the future
i guess, a part of it could be because the year 2000 has passed?
as 2000 wasn't that far away for a long time, and with the magic of the
number, like 'dreaming' that would be a year when all things would be
better / utopia filled in, by everybody their own purposes / dreams
ronnyface it, you're living a longtime relationship with the things you
know,
that's why they appear old, used or even boring to you. time to change
the point of view maybe?
well, maybe.
but the point is, all I hear is badly recycled ideas.
and worse, this seems to be acceptable for some
take Matthew Herbert. how many times have I read that this man is pushing
electronic music to new levels, taking it one step further. what? by
recycling 60 year old songs, adding a few of his own and standing infront
of it all sampling a balloon?
and he does this trick since what 8-10 years
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
but the point is, all I hear is badly recycled ideas.
and worse, this seems to be acceptable for some reason.
Are they bad because they're recycled? Or are they bad, independent of
their relationship to history?
There was a thread on one of these lists (this one,
dennisAre they bad because they're recycled? Or are they bad, independent
of
their relationship to history?
I'm not sure I guess. I think that recycling can be good though, so it must
be the latter.
I just feel that alot of things/projects at the minute are unashamedly
retro, and I'm a little
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just feel that alot of things/projects at the minute are unashamedly
retro, and I'm a little bored of it, so I asked what happened to the
future?
That's interesting, because I fel that a lot of things/projects at the
minute are unashamedly bad...and I suspect that
Personally, I could care less about originality. I'm only interested in
quality. Give me a 4 chord pop song. As long as it's GOOD, I'm
satisfied.
problem is that while criterias for newness are fairly easy to come up with,
criterias for quality in art etc are impossible to state without
ha wrote:
problem is that while criterias for newness are fairly easy to come up with,
criterias for quality in art etc are impossible to state without being
matters of subjective taste.
Criteria for newness are pretty dependent on what your know, right?
In every undergraduate composition
Are art and entertainment mutually exclusive?
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From: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:44 AM
To: ha
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) the future
now the question is: is it art or entertainment? entertainment should
That's interesting, because I fel that a lot of things/projects at the
minute are unashamedly bad...and I suspect that you and I are talking
about the same things/projects.
ha! yeah, probably are
so, say, using Herbert as an example as I watched him last night - I didn't
feel it was bad as
Robert Taylor wrote:
Are art and entertainment mutually exclusive?
No, not at all. In fact, I don't have a clue what the difference is
anymore. I'm not sure if I ever did.
Oh God...this is going to turn into a Define Art thread.
I'll be under my desk if anyone needs me
--
Dennis
alex.bond wrote:
I don't really see loads of people dreaming about the future in relation to
music, and I used to find that pretty exciting. looking back ALL the time
seems to be the order of the day at the minute.
maybe that's because our visions of the future have changed since the
From: Dennis DeSantis
ha wrote:
problem is that while criterias for newness are fairly easy to come up
with,
criterias for quality in art etc are impossible to state without being
matters of subjective taste.
Criteria for newness are pretty dependent on what your know, right?
In every
-Original Message-
From: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 April 2004 10:47
i guess, a part of it could be because the year 2000 has passed?
In the run-up to the year 2000, the idea of the future was already
fading in popularity as far as I could tell. My
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From: ha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 April 2004 11:39
Personally, I could care less about originality. I'm only
interested in
quality. Give me a 4 chord pop song. As long as it's GOOD, I'm
satisfied.
problem is that while criterias for newness
ha wrote:
maybe it
wouldn't be very entertaining and maybe you wouldn't even have to actually
see / hear it to get the idea
To get the idea of the concept, maybe. But to get the idea of the
artistic experience? Absurd.
THIS is the sort of reductio ad absurdum situation that purely
I agree. I prefer art that is self explanatory and appeals to the
onlooker/listener without needing a theory to support it.
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Von: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. April 2004 13:24
An: ha
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Betreff: Re: (313
admittedly, the big band didnt just play old numbers, they played a couple
of his compositions too
When I saw them in Sonar last year they were playing only his compositions
(i.e. the tracks from the Goodbye Swingtime album), no 'old numbers' at all
- is the current tour different then? I'm
since this thread seems to be related to the things we know for a long
time, i'd be interested in your 2 latest discoveries of which you think
they are new (you didn't know them before). may it be websites,
movements, phenomenas or a band you just discovered, whatever. i'm
pretty sure there
TomWhen I saw them in Sonar last year they were playing only his
compositions
(i.e. the tracks from the Goodbye Swingtime album), no 'old numbers' at
all
ahh, well to be honest I don't know for sure. I'm probably wrong.
It's just I thought I recognised a couple of them as being old relatively
I think it's just techno reflecting the larger world of popular culture
right now. Retro is hip now, and the next big thing is whatever was the
big thing twenty years previous. Pop has eaten itself.
As for why, I think with techno-or, for that matter, any smaller
sub-culture-it's inevitable for
Criteria for newness are pretty dependent on what your know, right? In
every undergraduate composition class in the US, right now, there's a
kid writing a piece using harmony based on perfect 4ths. Not only does
that kid think it's the most beautiful thing he's ever heard, he also
thinks
Ronny Pries wrote:
since this thread seems to be related to the things we know for a long
time, i'd be interested in your 2 latest discoveries of which youthink
they are new (you didn't know them before). may it be websites,
movements, phenomenas or a band you just discovered, whatever. i'm
am I doing this right? or have I missed the point (again?)
top 5 things I 'discovered' in the last year/two years that are old.
1) Club - Cosmic, Italy (and the crazy-ass music they played)
2) DJ - Daniele Baldelli
3) Logic (weird japanese electronic band)
4) Yadgar cafe (top lamb chops)
5)
Subject: Re: (313) the future (a different approach)
since this thread seems to be related to the things we know for a long
time, i'd be interested in your 2 latest discoveries of which you think
they are new (you didn't know them before). may it be websites,
movements, phenomenas or a band you just
I have discoved Space
I saw it first, it's mine.
I just looked up one day and it was there.
weird.
_
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individual,
1) Club - Cosmic, Italy (and the crazy-ass music they played)
2) DJ - Daniele Baldelli
got any sound files of these? anyone?
i've heard stuff about cosmic (and what substances fuled that 'scene')
but never come across any examples of mixes or tapes etc...
3) Logic (weird japanese
ok here we go
1. johny cash
2. Jade cocoon 2(princess mononoke team goes PS2)
3. the girl nextdooromgomfg...
4. the render button in wavelab..only took me 4 sumtin years to notice it..
5. cd´s.no comment
The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for
I am really exited about the fact that anything is possible. I am my own
future.
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Von: Ronny Pries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. April 2004 14:02
An: 313
Betreff: Re: (313) the future (a different approach)
since this thread seems
i discovered that rice crispies are made from rice
It will possibly be to modern techno what punk was to prog rock; it might
in fact sound terrifying..
oh my.no don't tell me.country music is the future?!
No! Please No!
MEK
Techno Blues Idioms are the future, check DJ Bones new 12's - all 3 of them.
Martin
Red Planet titles are all about native American Indian issues
well, in the US, Native American civil rights are still being fought out
I think it's still a futuristic topic - it might not involve getting in
your rocket ship and going to Planet X
(well maybe claiming Mars for indigenous
How can Journey To The Martian Polar Cap have absolutely anything to do
with native American Indian issues?
Red Planet titles are all about native American Indian issues
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that´s where the astral apache lives
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From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: woensdag 21 april 2004 17:12
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Subject: RE: (313) the future (Red Planet)
How can Journey To The Martian
they're still fighting for their future
yeah, I appreciate that - it wasn't meant to offend anyone or anything, it
was just used as an example.
I was just trying to say their titles used to be about 'space' or
something, but even they don't seem to be themed around that.
I wasn't trying to say
PM
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Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) the future (Red Planet)
How can Journey To The Martian Polar Cap have absolutely anything to do
with native American Indian issues?
Red Planet titles are all about native American Indian issues
in my view there are several things at play that make the particular
brand of 'futurism' that techno is based on obsolete in this day and age.
firstly electronic synthesizers produce futuristic noises (in a
hackneyed 50's kind of way...theremins to blame here :) ). people now
don't think of the
: (313) the future (Red Planet)
Native americans were the first to depict UFOs in their art - there is also a
history of African-American writing centred around the idea of the black man as
a lost alien race.
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Native americans were the first to depict UFOs in their art - there is
also a history of African-American writing centred
, April 21, 2004 3:27 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) the future (Red Planet)
?? Interesting, would you have pointers to both these UFOs and these books ?
Gwendal
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Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:21 PM
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Subject: RE: (313) the future (Red Planet)
Ahh i love to disagree with you Rob...again.:)
I don't think so here there are art works
My 2 latest discoveries:
(1) London is the most expensive city on Earth, surpassing Tokyo
(2) The ubiquity of EM: Sky Ear - http://www.haque.co.uk/skyear.php
- Greg (who has seen every Moon Landing, and thought we'd all be in
Jetsons-mobiles by now - or at least Ford GT90's
(1) London is the most expensive city on Earth, surpassing Tokyo
NYC can trash London any day - Greg only a tourist would buy wine in Pizza
Express...
Only an American tourist would travel halfway across the world to go to a Pizza
Express, instead of a curry on Brick Lane!
sorry Greg
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:31 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313
therefore it could very well be that you are surrounded by much more
futuristic music then you'd think, you just don't recognise it as such, as
it's not compattible with your view of the future.
i thought this was very well put.
i don't have much of a conception of the future right now, my
-Original Message-
From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 April 2004 16:25
secondly techno, whilst undeniably based on earlier music, is an 80s
phenomena. up until the 80s most science fiction (especially
that shown in film) perpetuated the 50s style of optimistic
-Original Message-
From: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 April 2004 17:22
- Greg (who has seen every Moon Landing, and thought
we'd all be in Jetsons-mobiles by now - or at least Ford
GT90's - and is very pissed off that we aren't)
I can't remember who said
Your reference to two poles- originality and quality sorta
makes sense, but the 'quality' still leave a lot of room for subjective
thinking.
According to the 'music listening' class I once took, humans judge music
based on novelty vs. familiarity.
Too much familiarity- its dull
Too much
Speaking of which I hear Bugz in the Attic have just remixed Amp-Fiddler.
This could be god! :)
Benji B played it on his latest show and I didn't think much of it myself...
Bugz have been a bit hit or miss for me of late and this one was a miss.
They've remixed I Believe In You and sped it
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From: Andy Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Benji B played it on his latest show and I didn't think much of
it myself...
Bugz have been a bit hit or miss for me of late and this one was
a miss.
i think they might be spreading their remix
Bugz have been a bit hit or miss for me of late and this one was
a miss.
i think they might be spreading their remix productivity too thin.
Yeah, my sentiments exactly...
I'm more interested in checking Amp's remix of Rima. Has anyone
heard that yet?
no, but it sounds appetizing.
I
there was a yam who cd that came out recently with an edit of that other track
that amp did on the only child album. it was hot, i really hope it comes out
on wax.
If you're talking about the Yam Who mix of Find A Way, that came out on the
Addicted 12 recently:
Its already out in Japan and managed to pick it up from soulseek. I will be
buying it on vinyl though, its sounding great. Still digesting it fully but
my initial opinion is that its decent stuff although not ground breaking,
more of a continuation of a theme, that being the Nu soul west london
rage, super amazing
and natty head.
cheers, c.
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Von: Maxim Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Montag, 12. Januar 2004 17:40
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Betreff: Re: (313)KDK- Future Rage (was I'll see you Luke Slater mate!)
Its already out
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2001's sales dropped by 22.3 million discs, or about 3 percent, but 2001's
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10
Thanks for the link, would it be only for that figure !
Gwendal
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0212/wolk.php
As some of you know, Detroit recently elected a 31 year old as mayor of
Detroit. Although we are not friends, we are colleagues of a sort...so
I went to the Inaugural in order to support his installation. I wrote
this essay in response...and though it is tangentially related to the
list, I
Interesting essay... I especially enjoyed the part about Kilpatrick singing
along with Biz Markie. That's hilarious!
-J
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wrote:
As some of you know, Detroit recently elected a 31 year old as mayor of
Detroit. Although we are
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Subject: [313] The Future of Detroit
As some of you know, Detroit recently elected a 31 year old as mayor of
Detroit. Although we are not friends, we are colleagues of a sort...so
I went to the Inaugural in order to support his installation. I wrote
this essay in response...and though
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting essay... I especially enjoyed the part about Kilpatrick singing
along with Biz Markie. That's hilarious!
It's POWERFUL. I don't know if Kilpatrick ever hung out at the
Institutebut he may be the country's first hiphop/house mayor.
on 1/25/02 4:35 PM, Lester Kenyatta Spence at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting essay... I especially enjoyed the part about Kilpatrick
singing
along with Biz Markie. That's hilarious!
It's POWERFUL. I don't know if Kilpatrick ever hung
for dog doo-doo.
-pete
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: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 5:20 PM
Subject: RE: [313] The Future of Detroit
i grew up w/ biz markie, e.p.m.d , in brentwood,ny and for the life of me
can't figure out where
on 1/25/02 5:20 PM, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
i grew up w/ biz markie, e.p.m.d , in brentwood,ny and for the life of me
can't figure out where they got their musical skills from, not being from
detroit and all ;)
Well, you see, even Hip-hop was actually created in
make the music wit yo mouth bayyyb
on 25/1/02 10:43 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 1/25/02 5:20 PM, Grammenos, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
i grew up w/ biz markie, e.p.m.d , in brentwood,ny and for the life of me
can't figure out where they got their
It will be good to see what a fresh young
mind will bring to the
table. Our last 2 mayors have put the city in the
position it is now. It's a
shame and a disgrace, it really is.
What did the last 2 mayors do?
Kevin
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Otto Koppius:
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/11/30/adult/index.html
It's a revolution: EROTIC STYLE of music ($54286.78) ;)
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Date: Thursday, November 30, 2000 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [313] The future of booty? :)
Otto Koppius:
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/11/30/adult/index.html
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