Re: [AFMUG] I thought I had seen it all until today

Well, a company I founded and used to work for did that after my departure. They continued to be a service bureau for my own company for about 6 months or so to finish out the year. Nice guys... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 12:47 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Re: [AFMUG] I thought I had seen it all until today

We use Mint for payroll. Love them. I have heard they have WCF options. We will certainly be looking into that. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 5:21 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I thought I had seen it all until today

Re: [AFMUG] I thought I had seen it all until today

Thanks. I paid them for the day too. But I am sure they were a bit stressed and wondering about the future. From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:56 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I thought I had seen it all until today I have to commend you for f

Re: [AFMUG] I thought I had seen it all until today

We use ADP and run our Workers Comp through them.That way we don’t have to deal with Workers Comp audits and ever changing premiums. The workers comp premium comes out of each payroll. It isn’t perfect, but is less hassle than a separate policy. I am sure we pay a little more for this

[AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

I have 4 or 5 licensed backhaul links to get coordinated . Who is the best for getting this done cost effectively (cheap)? Paul Paul McCall, President Florida Broadband / PDMNet 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mail

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

Micronet > On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:13 AM, Paul McCall wrote: > > I have 4 or 5 licensed backhaul links to get coordinated . > > Who is the best for getting this done cost effectively (cheap)? > > Paul > > Paul McCall, President > Florida Broadband / PDMNet > 658 Old Dixie Highway > Vero Bea

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

Yes, Doing some trial runs with a smaller site we have. Pretty cool.. On 10/21/19 1:42 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: If you're not doing it already, start thinking about dual stack with IPv4 CGN and IPv6 public IPs.  There's a learning curve, but it's not that bad. -Adam On 10/21/2019 12:51 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

Yeah.. No.. They are more up to date than you think just not ahead On 10/21/19 2:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote: yeah, no. .gov agencies still run dos 10 years at best til the ones that matter will be organized enough to shut down ip4 access On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:12 PM Dennis Burgess via AF <

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

X.25 left after interoperability between each DOD branch. Someone in a gov dark basement somewhere maybe running older os's and protocol but the surface is definitely staying with the times. There are new MOS's that are requiring comp science degree to work in. On 10/21/19 2:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

FUD ALERT! FUD ALERT! IPv4 is not going away any time soon, it's not practical. There are too many things that rely on IPv4.And until I can run only one stack I'm not planning to mass deploy IPv6. We have an IPv6 deployment plan, but there is minimal benefit in dual stacking and no

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

I sympathize on the financial points.  Right now the only benefit is if you /didn't /have to spend extra money to buy IPv4 space.  If you've got the IPv4 space you need, then there's literally no money in IPv6.  I first got involved in IPv6 for a new venture.  They couldn't get IPv4 space at al

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

Is Micronet that woman owned firm? I don't remember how many people she has but she was always inexpensive, and on top of things. A rare combo. On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:18 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > Micronet > > On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:13 AM, Paul McCall wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

No. Micronet is an established firm that's cost effective and on top of things. You're thinking of Liz. She also has screwed up more coordination than Micronet has, for me. On 10/23/19 10:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: Is Micronet that woman owned firm? I don't remember how many people she h

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

We ended up reaching out to IP4 Depot. Nice guys, seems the process is pretty straight forward and slightly less money than I expected, We will see how clean the IP addresses are once we get them. Talking to him about ARIN, I pretty much chot myself in the foot. We had started working toward more

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

Last I checked, there really wasn't that much price difference between the various companies. I used Comsearch for the last few we did. On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:02 AM Lewis Bergman wrote: > Is Micronet that woman owned firm? I don't remember how many people she > has but she was always inexpens

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

I think we got the best deal from Intelpath (AKA Liz Creekmore). Although other coordinators have gone down.     Liz Creekmore     Principal, Intelpath     Email l...@intelpath.com     Phone 312-841-9188     Address 50 E 26th St     Ste. 404

[AFMUG] 450SMs

Okay I haven't paid a lot of attention to PMP450 since I've been in a Telrad shop for a few years.  It looks like the old style SM was discontinued. The Old SM + Reflector was said to have 25dbi of gain. The replacement 450b "high gain" integrated dish is 22dbi. Are you kidding me?  Cambium,

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

comsearch and intelpath are the go toes. intel path has cheap license monitoring service, its well worth it unless you maintain a GIS pulling in all the PCNs/licensing On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:59 AM Bill Prince wrote: > I think we got the best deal from Intelpath (AKA Liz Creekmore). Although >

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

I have used Liz Creekmore company...great service On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 8:59 AM Bill Prince wrote: > I think we got the best deal from Intelpath (AKA Liz Creekmore). Although > other coordinators have gone down. > > Liz Creekmore > Principal, Intelpath > Email l...@intelpath.com >

Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

i was told theyre not discontinued, just not favored and then something about the 22 vs 25 being a better 22 than the 25 or something for geeks On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:04 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Okay I haven't paid a lot of attention to PMP450 since I've been in a > Telrad shop for a few ye

[AFMUG] OT: What do Icon's Look Like

So I was trying to explain to my Mother over the phone last night how to Rescan her TV after the channel changes last weekend. The TV only has Icon's for choosing menu options, no Text. What I'm describing as the Icon's she needs to click on, she can't find (A picture of a little antenna), an

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

This is true, but that's why you acquire other ISPs, purchase IPv4 on the auction block, etc.And once that runs out, CGNAT is really not all that complicated or expensive to deploy compared to deploying IPv6 which is still very much a "beta" protocol. There are client devices that are

Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

If the 22 is somehow better than the 25 then they should update LinkPlanner to show me that magic. On 10/23/2019 11:22 AM, Steve Jones wrote: i was told theyre not discontinued, just not favored and then something about the 22 vs 25 being a better 22 than the 25 or something for geeks On W

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

yall got any more of them ISPs? Nobody around here seems to want to sell On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:29 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > This is true, but that's why you acquire other ISPs, purchase IPv4 on > the auction block, etc.And once that runs out, CGNAT is r

Re: [AFMUG] OT: What do Icon's Look Like

common core math is what these young pup engineers cut their teeth on. they know that and poop emojis On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:28 AM Nate Burke wrote: > So I was trying to explain to my Mother over the phone last night how to > Rescan her TV after the channel changes last weekend. The TV only

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

You haven't offered enough :) Everyone sells for the right price. If someone walked in my door and offered me 2 million, I'd probably take it, pay off my employees well, go invest the rest of it, take a year off, and then go find a relaxing job somewhere to occupy my time and make a few extra

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

Matt everytime I see your name doing anything with ipv6 I cringe, get your head out of the sand and learn something about ipv6. The longer you keep at this hating on ipv6 the stupider you look. ipv6 has been around for a while and is not going anywhere. On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 11:29 AM Matt Hoppes

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

I mean.. that's fine... but while you guys are figuring out IPv6, I'm busy invoicing my clients for static IPv4 addresses Who's making money and who's losing money? On 10/23/19 11:41 AM, Zach Underwood wrote: Matt everytime I see your name doing anything with ipv6 I cringe, get your head o

Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

They are discontinued, Cambium stopped making them around the beginning of the year. As far as being a better 22 than the 25, that’s “fake news”. Actually I would have to check the spec sheet but I thought they were claiming 23 or 24 dBi. It seems to be part of a strategy of sharing design

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

Operating part of that sentence, *not going anywhere*   ipv6 still hasn't crossed the bridge.   You will be able to tell with ipv4 address space begins to _decrease_ in price instead of increasing.  Probably will be a cliff function.  Until then you are doing a lot of work and getting a little

Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

I'm ok with the cuteness factor of the 450b.  I just think they should offer a full 2 footer also.  Yeah the 450i + a dish + jumpers has got to be $700-$800. I wonder if it's the same marketing error as New Coke.  In testing 2/3's of customers preferred the new formula.  Fuck the other 1/3, th

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

What tools are missing? On 10/23/2019 11:46 AM, Robert wrote: Operating part of that sentence, *not going anywhere*   ipv6 still hasn't crossed the bridge.   You will be able to tell with ipv4 address space begins to _decrease_ in price instead of increasing.  Probably will be a cliff function

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

Not a penny wise, but definitely a pound foolish. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:01:22 AM

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

Prices for IPv4 on the secondary market continue to rise... that doesn't sound like a commodity that's on its way out.. that sounds like something that's very much alive and in demand. On 10/23/19 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Not a penny wise, but definitely a pound foolish. - Mike Ham

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

IPv6 seems like religion and politics, discussion doesn't seem to accomplish much. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 10:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Mike Hammett Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space Prices for IP

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

Matt, that's a strawman.  Nobody in this thread has argued that IPv4 isn't alive or in demand. However, if you did implement dual stack I think you'd find that 2/3's of your traffic (by volume) will run on IPv6.  IPv6 was created 20 years ago.  It's not new or "beta".  Adoption has been slow f

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

+1 On 10/23/2019 12:18 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: IPv6 seems like religion and politics, discussion doesn't seem to accomplish much. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 10:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Mike Hammett Subject

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

Agreed. But just because 2/3 of the traffic goes that way doesn’t mean I gain anything from it. And as long as the fax machine is downloading images as quickly as the mobile phone. Does it matter? > On Oct 23, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > Matt, that's a strawman. Nobody in thi

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

But IPv6 is faster! lol https://www.retevia.net/fast/ -- Cassidy B. Larson CTO - InfoWest, Inc. Voice: 435-773-6073 c...@infowest.com > On Oct 23, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > Agreed. But just because 2/3 of the traffic goes that w

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

Yeah, I don't really see that it makes much difference from my point of view how much traffic goes across IPv6... until it's to the point where enough of it is going that way that nobody will care that the IPv4 traffic is behind CGNAT. Otherwise, I don't see that it's going to matter until there ge

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

Regarding gubmint shutting down IPv4 access, this is the US, and the ADA is abused, I guarantee thats what Meemaw will use to sue when she cant get to her benefits on her subsidized connection thats only operating IPv4 On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:59 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > Yeah, I don't really

Re: [AFMUG] Saisei Hardware

Check Ebay. We use a lot of the Quanta servers. Rory From: AF On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 9:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saisei Hardware We never buy new servers. Send the specs over to the guys at https://www.stikc.com/ and th

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon 39GHz

I have several 39GHz radios I’ll let go for a decent price. Shipping is going to be expensive though. Rory From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 9:54 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon 39GHz Apart from non-compliant operation: I think in some n

Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

The affect of windmills goes beyond the 140-330K or so they directly kill every year. The noise is affecting mating for them as well as other species. I’m all for solar assuming they get Peroksvite cranked up soon but I’m not a fan of windmills. Rory From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

It seems odd that if you get oil on the feathers of a common sparrow (of which there are hundreds of millions) it has to be reported to the EPA. If windmills knock 1000 eagles out of the air nobody gives two cents. A friend with a bunch of windmills on a ranchette of his was asked to stop field dr

Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

They are coming out with a 450b connectorized but at wispapalooza they said it was delayed until March 2020 (it was supposed to ship March of 2019) -Sean On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:04 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Okay I haven't paid a lot of attention to PMP450 since I've been in a > Telrad shop fo

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon 39GHz

On 10/23/19 12:15 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: I have several 39GHz radios I’ll let go for a decent price.  Shipping is going to be expensive though. I opened up one of mine to see how they were put together. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

On 10/23/19 6:59 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I only disagree with the statement that you won't deploy until you can run only one stack.  Did you keep faxing until everybody else had email? Not everyone keeps up with technology. My grandmother held on to rotary pulse dial phones until touch tone

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

I mean... I can still dial on my touch tone phone by lifting and hanging up the receiver very quickly. On 10/23/19 3:59 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 10/23/19 6:59 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I only disagree with the statement that you won't deploy until you can run only one stack.  Did you keep fax

Re: [AFMUG] email client

We use Outlook including the entire Microsoft Office Suite. We have our own Exchange Server though. Rory From: AF On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 6:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] email client I can't imagine actually using a mail c

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

Vets have to tell people when it's time to euthanize their pets. I think as technology experts sometimes we need to do the equivalent. Like the people who wouldn't let go of dialup, or who are still using Windows 98/ME/Vista, or who insist they don't need a password on their WiFi. Old habits

Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

Yeah, a one year delay is a pretty big oops, but it’s not really a solution to the problem anyway. Except that 450b gets rid of the hated speed caps and also enables 5.1 GHz sub band. I’m not thrilled about SMA connectors on the top, KPP included a nice mounting post for the current style conn

Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

The noise reminds me of a washing machine. Or maybe the gloppita gloppita machine from How To Murder Your Wife. From: AF On Behalf Of Rory Conaway Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 2:18 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity The affect of wind

Re: [AFMUG] Buying new IP space

That's a fair point. On 10/23/2019 1:42 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Agreed. But just because 2/3 of the traffic goes that way doesn’t mean I gain anything from it. And as long as the fax machine is downloading images as quickly as the mobile phone. Does it matter? On Oct 23, 2019, at 12:19 PM, A

Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

If they sold me a full 2' dish at 28dbi then I could definitely find places to use that. On 10/23/2019 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Yeah, a one year delay is a pretty big oops, but it’s not really a solution to the problem anyway. Except that 450b gets rid of the hated speed caps and also ena

Re: [AFMUG] OT: What do Icon's Look Like

I go through that all the time with customer routers. Q: Is the Internet light on? A: I don't see an Internet light. There's a tadpole, a sparkler, ... It's very sad, given that every country in the world probably knows what words like Internet and WiFi mean. Try using Google to translate tho

Re: [AFMUG] OT: What do Icon's Look Like

Yeah. Plus the tornado, the candlestick, and the gingerbread man. bp On 10/23/2019 3:20 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I go through that all the time with customer routers. Q: Is the Internet light on? A: I don't see an Internet light. There's a tadpole, a sparkler, ... It's very sad, given that

Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

Maybe they just need to go with something like TwistPort and let 3rd party manufacturers sell dishes. Oh, right, regulatory approvals. Nonethless, I suspect that may be where they are headed with the connectorized SM. From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

Most WISP PCNs seem to be from Comsearch, Micronet or Intelpath. All will get the job done. If you have some licensed links already and don’t have frequency protection service, you get copied on a lot of PCNs. One thing I look for is how many PCNs get re-issued, especially multiple times.