I'm actually kind of surprised more of the revenue isn't from porn in all
reality.
On Friday, January 24, 2020, Steve Jones wrote:
> Porn makes a ton of ad revenue. Like most things, the content is only a
> small part of the revenue. I don't know if they get kickbacks from the
> malware, that's
I have seen some international Cambium radios the go from 4.9 to 6 4GHz
I think I asked about the 6Ghz versions on list oncehave never seen the
Cambium 3GHz stuff.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 12:41 PM Mathew Howard wrote:
> Yeah, you're right... I think what I was thinking of is that the
Maybe it didn't mean 2x the traffic, but 2X the income maybe? Somebody
is paying for it, and they were paying for it before Netflix was born.
On 1/24/2020 8:45 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
This porn figure is wrong. I recall seeing some people sharing figures
from procera or some other DPI and
Well, that is some of the best news I have heard today. Hate to think society
is so depraved that porn is their only interest.
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 6:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT porn vs streaming
This porn figure is wrong.
Oh interesting. Let them draw their own conclusions.
On 1/24/2020 7:25 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
Adam,
e-mail something like the following letter to everyone in the building or at
least on
the floor. Make sure he knows he is 100% responsible for everything
that happens on his
Maybe they’re talking about live sex cams.
But I don’t believe porn is 2X streaming. Unless there is a huge variation
with demographics. I believe 80-90% of peak hour traffic is regular video
streaming, so porn is in the 10-20% along with email, web browsing, shopping
and homework.
Yes purchase direct. They have different sales regions so you'll have to
reach out to them and ask for your rep.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 2:53 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> Gotcha, thanks.
>
> So you are buying your hardware direct from Calix? Do you have a contact
I just read a factoid that porn is still 2X all streaming combined.
What I don’t understand is where the money for porn comes from.
Who is paying for this porn?
Perhaps I don’t understand the appetite.
A commodity that is ubiquitous, free and pretty much all the same but still
creates huge
Adam,
e-mail something like the following letter to everyone in the building or at
least on
the floor. Make sure he knows he is 100% responsible for everything
that happens on his Internet. We don't get too much sharing, but get
the occasional person renting a second house on the
Yeah, that makes sense. I've never used DirecTV on demand myself, so I
don't know what it does. I did do some testing with DirecTV now when it
first came out, and it seemed to work more or less like Netflix.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 5:36 PM Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I think the problem with DirecTV on
I think the problem with DirecTV on demand is that unlike Netflix it has no
adaptive video quality. It’s 5 Mbps or nothing. Actually if it tests that the
connection can’t deliver 5 Mbps, you get a message that your Internet is too
slow to watch now and you’ll have to download to your DVR and
On 1/24/20 3:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
You have to actually have gear up, it's not like n license where you
just register. It's got to be live and transmitting, and it's verified
every 4 minutes
Right, someone gets the PALs, does nothing so it's usable as GAA, then
at some point later start
You have to actually have gear up, it's not like n license where you just
register. It's got to be live and transmitting, and it's verified every 4
minutes
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 3:27 PM Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 1/24/20 12:55, Jason McKemie wrote:
> > Maybe this doesn't work the same way, but
Same here. At one point, we just started telling people that DirecTV stuff
doesn't work with our service... although I haven't heard of any of those
recently, so it may not be as bad as it used to be.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 3:54 PM Robert Andrews
wrote:
> We find the worst is DirecTV. More
Exactly. I was under the impression that there weren't minimum service
requirements for the CBRS PALs, and if that is the case, then there's
really no incentive to deploy gear they're not going to use.
But an investor could just pick up the PALs and sit on them until the GAA
spectrum is all full,
We can't use our powers for evil, Darth Burke.
On 1/24/2020 4:58 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Is this a residential MDU, or business?
Maybe a random 'Cabling' issue causing sporadic connectivity During
Peak streaming times? Sometimes those problems are hard to track
down. Might take days, or
On 1/24/20 13:53, Ken Hohhof wrote:
There will also inevitably be issues with services like Hulu and Disney+ and
Apple blocking shared IP addresses because they see too many logins or they
flag one of the customers for using a VPN or proxy and then everybody on the
shared IP gets blocked.
I'm
Is this a residential MDU, or business?
Maybe a random 'Cabling' issue causing sporadic connectivity During Peak
streaming times? Sometimes those problems are hard to track down.
Might take days, or weeks
On 1/24/2020 3:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
There will also inevitably be issues
There will also inevitably be issues with services like Hulu and Disney+ and
Apple blocking shared IP addresses because they see too many logins or they
flag one of the customers for using a VPN or proxy and then everybody on the
shared IP gets blocked.
I'm assuming you are handing out distinct
We find the worst is DirecTV. More problems when customers are trying
to download their services over internet than any others.
On 01/24/2020 10:11 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Yeah, Netflix ability to switch video quality / stream rate on the fly is
actually pretty awesome. I know we all used
On 1/24/20 13:33, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Can't allow it. Your customer has agreed to your TOS, the freeloaders have
not. If you get a DMCA notice or a subpoena for hacking or kiddie porn or
soliciting sex with a minor or terrorism or whatever, you need to deal with
your customer. Can't do that
Maybe require them to authorize by MACID or limit them to the number of devices
they can have on the Wi-Fi? Nothing of that sort is going to be popular but
maybe then they would realize you are on to them and stop the sharing policy.
Another option if it is a managed router is to change the
Hahah
Yeah the speed is kind of silly. We're driven that direction by
Charter/Spectrum. They're advertising stupid high speeds these days.
To win the deal for this building we had to beat stupid speed with
ludicrous speed. There's an OLT in the basement so it's actually no big
deal to
Sounds like the old days when you'd ask someone what Internet service they use
and they'd answer "Linksys" and you'd laugh but they weren't joking.
-Original Message-
From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 3:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MDU
Can't allow it. Your customer has agreed to your TOS, the freeloaders have
not. If you get a DMCA notice or a subpoena for hacking or kiddie porn or
soliciting sex with a minor or terrorism or whatever, you need to deal with
your customer. Can't do that with the freeloaders. Customer should
Is there a "no sharing" type of thing in your terms of service? IMO on
residential there should be and people caught sharing should be shut off.
Of course they could just go sign up with the cable company and go
back to sharing, but at least it's not your problem anymore, and if
the
On 1/24/20 12:55, Jason McKemie wrote:
Maybe this doesn't work the same way, but I've seen big companies deploy
equipment on a band just to hold onto it. There were minimum service
requirements in those situations, but I'm enough of a cynic that I could
see a big company deploying some
On 1/24/20 13:14, Adam Moffett wrote:
I prefer MDU's where the landlord pays for all the connections and
includes them in the rent, but we have one where the landlord wanted us
to sell separate accounts to each tenant.
Well turns out we have a tenant with 500meg sharing his WiFi with
Cut him off
-Original Message-
> From: "Adam Moffett"
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Date: 01/24/20 04:15
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MDU tenants sharing WiFi
>
> and if it matters this isn't like a 2 family house. This is a
> building with hundreds of units.
>
>
and if it matters this isn't like a 2 family house. This is a
building with hundreds of units.
On 1/24/2020 4:14 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I prefer MDU's where the landlord pays for all the connections and
includes them in the rent, but we have one where the landlord wanted
us to sell
I prefer MDU's where the landlord pays for all the connections and
includes them in the rent, but we have one where the landlord wanted us
to sell separate accounts to each tenant.
Well turns out we have a tenant with 500meg sharing his WiFi with
neighboring units. Found out when a cluster
Maybe this doesn't work the same way, but I've seen big companies deploy
equipment on a band just to hold onto it. There were minimum service
requirements in those situations, but I'm enough of a cynic that I could
see a big company deploying some minimal amount of equipment just to screw
Gotcha, thanks.
So you are buying your hardware direct from Calix? Do you have a contact
there?
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:59 PM Darin Steffl
wrote:
> Calix used to be an add-on at $50 upfront and $10 per month. We've since
> increased all our plans $10 per month and now the first router is
Yeah, well, if they did actually have a radio set to use 3723-3732, I don't
have much sympathy for them anyway. I suppose, one could accidentally get
international radios, and then accidentally, set it to the wrong channel...
but most likely, they were either completely aware they were using a
I have less sympathy for them if they went out of their way to get an
international AP because the US model wouldn't let them cheat. It's
harder to believe it was just ignorance at that point.
I knew a guy who used to set all his Ubqiuiti's to "Hong Kong" so he
could use DFS bands without
Do you really care if a competitor is using it, if you aren't using it? It
seems like it's almost better if a competitor is using it, if you have the
ability to kick them off when you actually do want to use it.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:48 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
Wouldn't the incentive be to stop competitors from using that part of the
band?
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:25 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
> The intent here is to stop that. There is no incentive to put up
> placeholder equipment.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
So are you including this as part of the service or is it an add-on? Do
you charge an upfront fee?
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:52 AM Darin Steffl
wrote:
> I didn't find it hard to get 1000+ of these deployed over 2 years. We are
> a small wisp and we've only emailed existing customers about it
Yeah, you're right... I think what I was thinking of is that the spectrum
analyser can scan that range. I wouldn't be surprised if they were using
some ROW radios, it looks like the PMP450 does come in a 3.55-3.8ghz
variety.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 10:21 AM Adam Moffett wrote:
> US models of
ehh... I don't really care if it takes a week to fully recharge the
batteries. Long power outages aren't that common around here...
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:55 PM Adam Moffett wrote:
> I had a number of sites with the TSP-600 + BCM48A. If I recall correctly
> from the docs, it would use any
Yep. The two products are at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to
charging current. I actually ran into a problem one time because I didn’t size
the AC breaker big enough. When the BCM was powering loads plus charging the
batteries after a several hour outage, it would trip the AC
On 1/24/20 10:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Not personally, but I've seen a post on reddit where someone complained
that his gigabit fiber was only testing at 770mbps, and how come he's
not "getting what he's paying for".
I hate those people so much I just tell them a) you're not paying for a
Not personally, but I've seen a post on reddit where someone complained
that his gigabit fiber was only testing at 770mbps, and how come he's
not "getting what he's paying for".
You can talk to that guy about window sizes and MTU's, but it's probably
a waste of time.
On 1/24/2020 1:55 PM,
The charging current on the BCMU360 is significantly lower than that of the
BCM48A/B.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:55 PM Adam Moffett wrote:
> I had a number of sites with the TSP-600 + BCM48A. If I recall correctly
> from the docs, it would use any surplus wattage to charge the battery.
>
> So
I had one where Netflix was perfect, email was fine, browsing was fine but
Hulu would not work and we needed to fix that.
-Original Message-
From: Shayne Lebrun
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 11:51 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future
I always
I had a number of sites with the TSP-600 + BCM48A. If I recall
correctly from the docs, it would use any surplus wattage to charge the
battery.
So 600W - LoadW = chargingW.
With a 200W load that could take 4x100ah batteries from dead to full in
12 hours. I didn't think that was
I always liked the opposite. Tell them that they're using all of their
bandwidth, and the answer is 'nobody is using the Internet! So-and-so is just
watching TV!'
-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020
Oxymoronic trouble calls are kind of standard.
bp
On 1/24/2020 10:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I love the my internet is not working but netflix is working
Takes some folks a bit for that to soak in.
-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 11:11 AM
To:
I love the my internet is not working but netflix is working
Takes some folks a bit for that to soak in.
-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 11:11 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future
Yeah, Netflix ability to
Sorry, I got the acronyms wrong. I think I meant that at larger sites we’re
using the BCM, or TSP-BCM, or whatever it’s called. The one that controls the
power supply and powers the loads at the battery voltage.
From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 12:06 PM
To:
Yeah, Netflix ability to switch video quality / stream rate on the fly is
actually pretty awesome. I know we all used to bitch about Netflix, but now I
actually hold it up as the gold standard. Does Netflix work? OK, your
Internet works. If flavor of the week streaming service doesn't work
Absolutely... some people just want it "fixed" or to be shown what's
wrong though.
On 1/24/20 12:59 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Matt,
That response works but I believe you also need to suggest options for
them to achieve the same thing like purchasing the USB ethernet adapter
for example.
I
I don’t think so. Or keeping mind that the BCMU is also providing a DC-DC
converter function when it is running on battery, you could look for a 12V
system and then a smallish 12-48 converter.
Actually I would not run a 200 watt site off a BCMU or, for that matter, a
single 12V battery
A few years ago, I did some testing with Netflix. I found that it would
"function" down to just under 700 Kbps. For SD quality, about double
that, or 1.5 Mbps. For HD, you needed a bit more than double that, or
about 3 Mbps.
I did some more recent tests with Prime. It would consume 5-10 Mbps
Matt,
That response works but I believe you also need to suggest options for them
to achieve the same thing like purchasing the USB ethernet adapter for
example.
I find customers like options or more than one choice.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 11:52 AM Matt Hoppes <
I didn't find it hard to get 1000+ of these deployed over 2 years. We are a
small wisp and we've only emailed existing customers about it twice and
many switch to it. Also anytime a customer calls and doesn't have one, we
upsell.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 11:27 AM Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Calix CPE is
Our answer:
I'm sorry but if you can't plug in to test we can send a tech out if
you're 100% certain there is an issue, but if it turns out to work fine
when plugged in there will be a $50 dispatch fee.
On 1/24/20 12:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Out of curiosity, what do you tell customers who
For micropops, we typically use some a Traco TSP-BCMU360 paired with a
Meanwell SDR-240-48. This is great, but it's a bit overkill for some very
small micropops (1-2 AP, BH) that we are looking at deploying. I really
don't need ~220-240W that this configuration supplies.
The challenge is that I
Ken,
It is definitely becoming more frequent that we hear they don't have any
devices with ethernet, especially Apple households. We tell them to find
one or buy the adapter like you do. Or we can come out and test with
an $80 service
call charge.
We also do not guarantee residential speeds but
I guess it depends on if you have to put on a battery backed power supply too.
From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest
Last time I checked the 844E + Calix ONT was actually cheaper than
That's basically what I tell all my RV friends that are on the road
complaining about streaming. Solves most of their problems at all the
weird places...
On 01/23/2020 01:17 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, last I looked that's what they said the lowest quality needed. A
few years back I did
Out of curiosity, what do you tell customers who say they don’t own a computer?
Not being hypothetical or argumentative, I am actually getting that maybe 50%
of the time now.
If they say their computer is a laptop without an Ethernet jack, I tell them to
buy a $5 Ethernet cable and a $20
Calix CPE is probably an easier decision for a FISP, or for a new WISP just
starting deployment, or for a big provider that deploys a pallet load of
routers every day.
For an established small WISP with maybe a couple thousand existing customers
and a modest number of new customers monthly,
Back to your topic, yes, I believe that they have accuracy problems.
I've only had an issue with 1 customer so far. Had a 20x5 connection
from us. He sent me the screenshot from the app. Looks like his router
was running tests every 2 days. They were all below 4mb/s. All RF
tests were
Maybe start a new Calix thread? My original post was about the speedtest built
into Google routers and if anyone knew how it worked and whether it has
accuracy problems.
I dislike the Google/Nest routers and discourage customers from using them, but
saying I should deploy Calix everywhere
Mike -
What is pricing like on the routers / management? Have you compared the
router performance to something like the 844E?
On Friday, January 24, 2020, Mike Hammett wrote:
> The road we're going down is likely Comtrend routers with a Finepoint ACS.
>
> The Calix system is just a fork of an
Last time I checked the 844E + Calix ONT was actually cheaper than the 844G.
On Friday, January 24, 2020, Josh Luthman
wrote:
> Hard disagree. The 844G is *CHEAP* compared to ONT+WiFi Router in terms
> of hardware. Having one box/troubleshoot point is a nice cost savings, too.
>
> Josh
I'm not coming up with my own anything. I'm not having to code anything. It's
standards. Standards that Calix took and pay-walled.
The software I'm using is the same software Calix forked.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
US models of the 450 definitely won't let you do that.
On 1/24/2020 10:18 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I checked some of their registrations, and it looks like they're
mostly PMP450 and a few Ubiquiti radios. It's been awhile since I've
done anything with Canopy 3.65ghz stuff, but it seems to me
I'd say I have the technical ability to do something other than Calix but
you are correct, I do not have the desire to do anything else.
I'm busy adding revenue into the company by upgrading the network,
increasing plan prices, adding TV & Phone, targeting business customers,
etc. All of this is
We looked at numerous alternatives before we settled on Calix. It’s been
extremely good for us. We pulled in six figures last year in managed router
revenue.. what did I pay Calix for their cloud option? Less than 2% I think.
We have the technical chops to make whatever work. Customers don’t
That would be incorrect. I have Calix DSLAMs and have worked with Calix for a
few years. Their paid support leaves much to be desired. Obvious SNMP bug is
obvious and they don't care.
I'm not going to say the Calix product is a bad product, but there's a severe
amount of fanboyism around
I checked some of their registrations, and it looks like they're mostly
PMP450 and a few Ubiquiti radios. It's been awhile since I've done anything
with Canopy 3.65ghz stuff, but it seems to me like you might be able to set
them that high... or maybe they have some non-US radios...
On Fri, Jan
Mike,
It's apparent to me that you have not demoed or had physical Calix products
in your hand before. What you just proposed requires much more hands-on
setup and support than Calix which is all handled by them with a technical
team to back it up. Your solution requires you to deploy one or more
The 844E is not bad. Their management platform is crazy stupid expensive
with minimums that are typically too high for small to medium size WISPs.
There is also the problem of actually getting their hardware. They don't
make it easy.
Sure, you can always run your own ACS, but it's not going to
The road we're going down is likely Comtrend routers with a Finepoint ACS.
The Calix system is just a fork of an earlier Finepoint product.
TR-069 and TR-143 manage most of the fancy features people that love Calix love
to boast about.
The advantage of something like this is that there is
Hard disagree. The 844G is *CHEAP* compared to ONT+WiFi Router in terms of
hardware. Having one box/troubleshoot point is a nice cost savings, too.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:31 AM Mike Hammett
And the Alternatives are?
Tushar
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 8:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest
There's no way Calix will get a dime from me. Everything is
There's no way Calix will get a dime from me. Everything is so expensive
compared to alternatives.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Jason McKemie"
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Hi Chuck;
OK. Thanks very much.
Lincoln
On 23/01/2020 11:12 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
They all do...
It depends on which holes you use for the bolts.
*From:* Lincs_chel
*Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:10 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Basic Tower Mount 6
The intent here is to stop that. There is no incentive to put up placeholder
equipment.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Adam Moffett"
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January
There was a lot of talk about that and we specifically don't want that.
We get use of their space if they're not actually using it.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Jason McKemie"
CPNI vs. CPI
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 4:11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CPI training &
Wonder what gear they were using. ☹ That allowed them to transmit that high?
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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
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