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Date: Monday, February 23, 2015 at 4:01 AM
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Sensitivity does not change the power level of the received signal.
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] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just Powerpointware?
Sensitivity does not change the power level of the received signal.
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CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 02/22/2015 08:42 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
...also, seriously. You any like it's even possible to compute a link budget
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 5:43:41 AM
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Deviates from the point. The question remains
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Deviates from the point. The question remains -- was something
different between the two
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 7:40:11 AM
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That's exactly what I'm trying to say, except
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Deviates from the point. The question remains -- was something different
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Date: Monday, February 23, 2015 at 8:15 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just Powerpointware?
No, it's a very important part
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Deviates from the point. The question remains -- was something
different between the two setups
, 2015 at 4:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just Powerpointware?
I think RF levels is the key phrase here - a bit of wordsmithing :)
On Monday, February 23, 2015, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
Sensitivity does not change
: That One Guy
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 8:28 AM
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This is reminiscent of that aggressive bald cambium sales rep, insulting
customers and making huge promises, I wonder what he does now.
On Mon, Feb 23
like Mays and Ron Popeil
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I don’t know, I was always a sucker for Ron Popeil. Wait, there’s more.
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, February 23, 2015 at 4:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just
Powerpointware?
I think RF levels is the key phrase here - a bit of wordsmithing :)
On Monday, February 23, 2015, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
Sensitivity does
a sucker for Ron Popeil. Wait, there’s more.
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*To:* af@afmug.com
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Powerpointware?
This is reminiscent of that aggressive bald cambium sales rep
I think RF levels is the key phrase here - a bit of wordsmithing :)
On Monday, February 23, 2015, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
Sensitivity does not change the power level of the received signal.
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Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
On 02/22/2015 08:42 PM,
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From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:06:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just Powerpointware?
At 100 watts per BTS, how is the power conveyed up the tower? That is way too
much power for any kind
, February 21, 2015 10:06:12 AM
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Powerpointware?
At 100 watts per BTS, how is the power conveyed up the tower? That is
way too much power for any kind of POE, so there must be some special kind
of cabling required? Likewise, there must
I remember former employers who got sold on canopy 900 doing 40 miles, 7
meg, through trees!
Yeah
-Steve D
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
The issue was the implied inclusiveness. That is the way it was sold.
Maybe it could do 70 Mbps.
That's easy. dB re power is only part of the basic math formula Adam. The
other half of the elementary equation is sensitivity.
On Feb 22, 2015 10:37 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
I read that quote before Patrick, and I am forced to wonder if that
individual was in the United
...also, seriously. You any like it's even possible to compute a link
budget without accounting for sensitivity, MIMO scheme etc. Thinking dBm
and dBi are the only numbers in the equation has me wondering how
experienced you are Adam. You do realize don't you it's impossible to
understand link
Rf level is rf level. TX power + antenna gain - path loss + antenna
gain I think Adam makes a good point. If both systems were making legal
eirp on the same path, the signals should be the same. Unless I'm
inexperienced too? Maybe this telrad stuff is just too complicated for us
silly wisps.
I read that quote before Patrick, and I am forced to wonder if that
individual was in the United States and running at the correct (legal)
power level. And I wonder if he was comparing the naked 10dbi SM to a
15dbi wimax CPE. You could definitely get 10db more by turning up the
tx power all
] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 11:54 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just Powerpointware?
They had a microcell vs macrocell seminar at show but I was in Phoenix Contact
training off site
in 20 words or less what is difference
The issue was the implied inclusiveness. That is the way it was sold.
Maybe it could do 70 Mbps.
Maybe it could go 70 miles.
Maybe it could support 70 PMP customers.
But it could not do all 3 at the same time.
Whatcha want Bunky; 70 Mbps, 70 miles, or 70 PMP customers? Pick one.
bp
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Powerpointware?
That just me drinking the Koolaid and believing it Jason. I do though
think the latency ding Moto users have always done is a red herring. I've
never in my entire career had an actual operator using my gear
Ok, with all due respect, this is BS (and I'm not talking about Base
Station either). With some of the new gear that Ubiquiti has and Mimosa is
releasing, I could get more bandwidth and lower latency to the end user at
a lower price - this is what WISPs have excelled at for many years. I'm
sure
Meant to say between his Telrad gear and his UBNT links.
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Patrick Leary patrickleary.af...@gmail.com
wrote:
That just me drinking the Koolaid and believing it Jason. I do though
think the latency ding Moto users have always done is a red herring. I've
never in
That just me drinking the Koolaid and believing it Jason. I do though think
the latency ding Moto users have always done is a red herring. I've never
in my entire career had an actual operator using my gear telling latency
caused them problems. The issue is really jitter, and we do better than
Here is Daniel Moore quote from when he first fired up his new gear:
We deployed two Compacts this week, different towers. Our first two
installations were completed tonight on Tower 1, here are the results---
The first- customer is aprox 6 miles from the base station. Behind a small
hill.
The more I do wireless, the more I prefer the microcell model. Telrad's
equipment certainly seems like something you would use in a macrocell-type
setup, if for no other reason than price. I've seen much more consistent
jitter when using Ubiquiti in a microcell vs macrocell application.
On Sat,
So the solution to the price points and the legitimate concerns of smaller
operators is not to address them directly, but rather to insult prospective
customers? I understand, a customer concerned about cost is likely not
going to be a good long term prospect when selling a higher ended product
Assuming we did have the fiber what would be an accurate number for everything
needed to hang a bts. Earlier in your comments you said about $275 per cpe?
Sent while mobile
On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:07 AM, Patrick Leary patrickleary.af...@gmail.com
wrote:
Neighborhood style micro pop would
Ryan, that should be the very worst case on the CPE and that's all in (no
caps of course), except for the cable. It even includes the mount bracket,
as shown circled here:
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On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote:
Assuming we did have the fiber
They had a microcell vs macrocell seminar at show but I was in Phoenix
Contact training off site
in 20 words or less what is difference?
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:
The more I
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To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:31:04 PM
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Ok, with all due respect, this is BS (and I'm not talking about Base Station
either). With some of the new gear that Ubiquiti has
] Grail or Gauntlet? ...or Maybe Just
Powerpointware?
Ok, with all due respect, this is BS (and I'm not talking about Base
Station either). With some of the new gear that Ubiquiti has and Mimosa is
releasing, I could get more bandwidth and lower latency to the end user at
a lower price
No one is saying f'off but you. I responding to your disbelief. I'm never
going to convince everyone, nor will we ever be a fit for everyone, nor do
we want everyone. Right now we are attracting a pretty good crowd, mostly
consisting of long time Cambium users. And I mean major WISPs; lots of
Moving the AP closer to the user vs. trying to serve customers further out
from a central site. The microcell model works a lot better than macrocell
when it comes to unlicensed IMO. There are also many different levels of
micro and macro cells.
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Jaime Solorza
Here are the jitter quotes I was looking fro from Daniel Moore:
There is a higher latency on the WiMAX platform. With LTE we see an
average of 20 ms added vs 40-60 ms with WiMAX. That said- the latency
jitter is much more stable than our WIFI gear. Almost no jitter on both
WiMAX and LTE. With
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