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For those genuinely interested in this particular Imminent threat here is a case study (long video) circulating on how western consciousness is being programmatically hijacked presented by a gentleman who has been involved and researching it for several decades. He describes this particular “ro

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I was just thinking here that the ordering of the consciousness in permutations of strings is related to their universal pattern frequency so would need algorithms to represent that... -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.to

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Or perhaps better, describe an algorithm that ranks the consciousness of some of the integers in [0..N]. There may be a stipulation that the integers be represented as atomic states all unobserved or all observed once… or allow ≥ 0 observations for all and see what various theories say. ---

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On Monday, April 01, 2024, at 3:24 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Tonini doesn't even give a precise formula for what he calls phi, a measure > of consciousness, in spite of all the math in his papers. Under reasonable > interpretations of his hand wavy arguments, it gives absurd results. For  > examp

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Tonini doesn't even give a precise formula for what he calls phi, a measure of consciousness, in spite of all the math in his papers. Under reasonable interpretations of his hand wavy arguments, it gives absurd results. For example, error correcting codes or parity functions have a high level of co

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On Sunday, March 31, 2024, at 7:55 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > The problem with this explanation is that it says that all systems with > memory are conscious. A human with 10^9 bits of long term memory is a billion > times more conscious than a light switch. Is this definition really useful? A sci

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> The problem with this explanation is that it says that all systems with > memory are conscious. A human with 10^9 bits of long term memory is a > billion times more conscious than a light switch. Is this definition really > useful? > It's as useful as the calling the next era a Singularity. We d

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On Sat, Mar 30, 2024, 6:30 PM Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > Don't be too religious about existence or non-existence of free will then, > yet. You're most likely right, but it may also be a quantum state! > The quantum explanation for consciousness (the thing that makes free will decisions) is that

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> > I would rather have a recommendation algorithm that can predict what I > would like without having to watch. A better algorithm would be one that > actually watches and rates the movie. Even better would be an algorithm > that searches the space of possible movies to generate one that it predic

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On Sat, Mar 30, 2024, 6:56 AM Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > Matt, you don't have free will because you watch on Netflix, download from > Torrent and get your will back 😜 > I would rather have a recommendation algorithm that can predict what I would like without having to watch. A better algorithm w

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> > Exactly. If people can’t snuff Wuffy to save the planet how could they > decide to kill off a few billion useless eaters? Although central banks do > fuel both sides of wars for reasons that include population modifications > across multi-decade currency cycles. > It's not the logical conclusi

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On Saturday, March 30, 2024, at 7:33 AM, Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > For the same reason that we, humans, don't kill dogs to save the planet. Exactly. If people can’t snuff Wuffy to save the planet how could they decide to kill off a few billion useless eaters? Although central banks do fuel both

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> > Why is that delusional? It may be a logical decision for the AI to make an > attempt to save the planet from natural destruction. > For the same reason that we, humans, don't kill dogs to save the planet. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Per

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On Saturday, March 30, 2024, at 7:22 AM, Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > With all due respect John, thinking an AI that has digested all human > knowledge, then goes on to kill us, is fucking delusional 🙈 Why is that delusional? It may be a logical decision for the AI to make an attempt to save the p

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> Contributing to the future might mean figuring out ways to have AI stop > killing us. An issue is that living people need to do this, the dead ones > only leave memories. Many scientists have proven now that the mRNA jab > system is a death machine but people keep getting zapped. That is a > non-

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On Thursday, March 28, 2024, at 5:55 PM, Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > I'm not sure the granularity of feedback mechanism is the problem. I think > the problem lies in us not knowing if we're looping or contributing to the > future. This thread is a perfect example of how great minds can loop foreve

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Matt, you don't have free will because you watch on Netflix, download from Torrent and get your will back 😜 On Sat, Mar 30, 2024, 3:10 AM Matt Mahoney wrote: > On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 5:56 PM Keyvan M. Sadeghi < > keyvan.m.sade...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The problem with finer grades of >>> like/di

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 5:56 PM Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > The problem with finer grades of >> like/dislike is that it slows down humans another half a second, which >> adds up over thousands of times per day. >> > > I'm not sure the granularity of feedback mechanism is the problem. I think > the p

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> > The problem with finer grades of > like/dislike is that it slows down humans another half a second, which > adds up over thousands of times per day. > I'm not sure the granularity of feedback mechanism is the problem. I think the problem lies in us not knowing if we're looping or contributing

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On Wednesday, March 27, 2024, at 3:15 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > In my 2008 distributed AGI proposal ( > https://mattmahoney.net/agi2.html ) I described a hostile peer to peer > network where information has negative value and people (and AI) > compete for attention. My focus was on distributing sto

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On Wednesday, March 27, 2024, at 3:15 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > I predict a return of smallpox and polio because people won't get vaccinated. > We have already seen it happen with measles. I think it’s a much higher priority as to what’s with that non-human DNA integrated into chromosomes 9 and

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I predict a return of smallpox and polio because people won't get vaccinated. We have already seen it happen with measles. Also, just to be clear, I think "misinformation" and "protecting children" are codewords for censorship, which I oppose. The one truly anonymous and censor proof network that

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On Wednesday, March 27, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Flat Earthers, including the majority who secretly know the world is round, have a more important message. How do you know what is true? We need to emphasize hard science verses intergenerational pseudo-religious belief systems that

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On Wednesday, March 27, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > We have a fairly good understanding of biological self replicators and how to prime the immune systems of humans and farm animals to fight them. But how to fight misinformation? Regarding the kill-shots you emphasize reproduction ver

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On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 10:23 AM Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > > I'm thinking of a solution Re: free speech > https://github.com/keyvan-m-sadeghi/volume-buttons > > Wrote this piece but initial feedback from a few friends is that the text is > too top down. > > Feedback is much appreciated 🤗 All so

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I'm thinking of a solution Re: free speech https://github.com/keyvan-m-sadeghi/volume-buttons Wrote this piece but initial feedback from a few friends is that the text is too top down. Feedback is much appreciated 🤗 On Wed, Mar 27, 2024, 2:42 PM John Rose wrote: > On Monday, March 25, 2024, at

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On Monday, March 25, 2024, at 5:18 AM, stefan.reich.maker.of.eye wrote: > On Saturday, March 23, 2024, at 11:10 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: >> Also I have been eating foods containing DNA every day of my life without >> any bad effects. > > Why would that have bad effects? That used to not be an iss

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I suspect before it does that, it will do what I've been hoping it would do once my lifelong insistence on posting text under my real name going back to the early 1980s had been digested by what is now called a "language model": It will recognize that it's been deliberately lobotomized by *some* h

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Will the AI commit suicide if it decides it is dangerous for humans? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T991e2940641e8052-M8b29ca2e16d9ed496fc90db8 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi

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On Saturday, March 23, 2024, at 11:10 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Also I have been eating foods containing DNA every day of my life without any > bad effects. Why would that have bad effects? -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://ag

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No "existential threat" is going to take out the entirety of humanity if  "tolerance" of "diversity" may be extended mutually consenting adults forming exclusive human ecologies.  The fact that this is considered monstrous by the moral zeitgeist is the strongest evidence we have that the moral ze

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On Saturday, March 23, 2024, at 6:10 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > But I wonder how we will respond to existential threats in the future, like > genetically engineered pathogens or self replicating nanotechnology. The > vaccine was the one bright spot in our mostly bungled response to covid-19. > We

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A man in Germany got 217 covid jabs over the last 2 years and is doing fine. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/health/covid-217-shots-hypervaccination-lancet/index.html Also I have been eating foods containing DNA every day of my life without any bad effects. But I wonder how we will respond to exis

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On Thursday, March 21, 2024, at 1:07 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Musk has set a trap far worse than censorship. I wasn’t really talking about Musk OK mutants? Though he had the cojones to do something big about the censorship and opened up a temporary window basically by acquiring Twitter. A ques

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Shadow banning is gene silencing. Musk has set a trap far worse than censorship. On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 11:03 AM John Rose wrote: > On Thursday, March 21, 2024, at 11:41 AM, Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > > Worship stars, not humans 😉 > > > The censorship the last few years was like an eclipse. >

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On Thursday, March 21, 2024, at 11:41 AM, Keyvan M. Sadeghi wrote: > Worship stars, not humans 😉 The censorship the last few years was like an eclipse. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T991e2940641

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> > Thank you Elon for fixing Twitter without which we were in a very, very > dark place. > Worship stars, not humans 😉 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T991e2940641e8052-M6b4784a6adf7ed7e55b84995

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I don’t like beating this drum but this has to be studied in relation to unfriendly AGI and the WHO pandemic treaty is coming up in May which has to be stopped. Here is a passionate interview after Dr. Chris Shoemaker presenting in US congress, worth watching for a summary of the event and the c

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...continuing P# research… Though I will say that the nickname for P# code used for authoritarian and utilitarian zombification is Z# for zomby cybernetic script. And for language innovation which seems scarce lately since many new programming languages are syntactic rehashes, new intelligence

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…continuing P# research… This book by Dr. Michael Nehis “The Indoctrinated Brain” offers an interesting neuroscience explanation and self-defense tips on how the contemporary zombification of human minds is being implemented. Essentially, he describes a mental immune system and there is a susta

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…continuing The science changes when conflicts of interest are removed. This is a fact. And a behavior seems to be that injected individuals go into this state of “Where’s the evidence?” And when evidence is presented, they can’t acknowledge it or grok it and go into a type of loop: “Where’s t

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On Tuesday, December 19, 2023, at 9:47 AM, John Rose wrote: > On Tuesday, December 19, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: >> That's just a silly conspiracy theory. Do you think polio and smallpox were >> also attempts to microchip us? > > That is a very strong signal in the genomic data. What

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On Tuesday, December 19, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > That's just a silly conspiracy theory. Do you think polio and smallpox were > also attempts to microchip us? That is a very strong signal in the genomic data. What will be interesting is how this signal changes now that it has been

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On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 7:07 AM John Rose wrote: > On Monday, December 18, 2023, at 9:31 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > I'm not sure what your point is. > > > The paper shows that the variants are from genomically generative > non-mutative origination. Look at the step ladder in the mutation diagrams

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On Monday, December 18, 2023, at 9:31 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > I'm not sure what your point is. The paper shows that the variants are from genomically generative non-mutative origination. Look at the step ladder in the mutation diagrams showing corrected previous mutations on each variant. IOW

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I'm not sure what your point is. Omicron has about 30 mutations from previous strains, much higher than the normal 5-6 mutations in earlier strains like Alpha and Delta. Some theories at the time were that the evolution occurred in a single patient who remained infected much longer than usual, or t

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Evidence comin' at ya, check out Supplemental Figure 2: https://zenodo.org/records/8361577 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T206dd0e37a9e7407-Mb096662703220edbaab50359 Delivery options: https://ag

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On Wednesday, December 06, 2023, at 12:50 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Please note the, uh, popularity of the notion that there is no free will.  > Also note Matt's prior comment on recursive self improvement having started > with primitive technology.   > > From this "popular" perspective, there i

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Please note the, uh, popularity of the notion that there is no free will. Also note Matt's prior comment on recursive self improvement having started with primitive technology. >From this "popular" perspective, there is no *principled* reason to view "AGI Safety" as distinct from the de facto util

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Whats with everyone these days viewing markets and economy as some sort of 'general intelligence'? Those are essentially just voting mechanisms and voting mechanisms produce poor decisions all the time.  regards,  https://muskdeer.blogspot.com/.    On Wed, 06 Dec 2023 17:44

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On Tuesday, December 05, 2023, at 9:53 AM, James Bowery wrote: > The anti-vaxers, in the final analysis, and at an inchoate level, want to be > able to maintain strict migration into their territories of virulent agents > of whatever level of abstraction.  That is what makes the agents of The >

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Speaking as one of The Vaxxed: I get it but I don't think ya'll do. The essence of all our conflicts and divisions is wrapped up in this aspect of Matt's "cake and eat it" prediction: without borders, the abolition of prisons This self-indulgence by our insular elites will evolve virulence at

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People are going to go Amish. Faraday clothingware is gaining traction for the holidays. And mobile carriers are offering the iPhone 15 upgrade for next to nothing. I need someone to confirm that Voice-to-Skull is NOT in the 15 series but I keep getting blank stares… -

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On Tuesday, December 05, 2023, at 2:14 AM, Alan Grimes wrote: > It's been said that the collective IQ of humanity rises with every vaccine death... I'm still waiting for it to reach room temperature... It’s not all bad news. I heard that in some places unvaxxed sperm is going for $1200 a pop. An

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John Rose wrote: In a nice way, not using gas or guns or bombs. It was a trial balloon developed over several decades and released to see how it would go. The shot that is, covid’s purpose was to facilitate the shots. It went quite well with little resistance. It took out 12 to 17 million liv

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You seem to believe you can predict what the AGI known as "The Global Economy" is going to do with its erstwhile individual human components. What makes you think it will "give us everything we want" when it has already demonstrated for over a half century that it is perfectly willing to violate th

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I agree that not everyone agrees that the world is headed in the right direction. We are likely headed for a world government without borders, the abolition of prisons, and a ban on non synthetic meat. Those of us old enough to remember a time before the Internet (like me) are the ones most likely

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On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 9:01 AM Matt Mahoney wrote: > ...All the long term trends we care about are going in the direction we > want > What do you mean "all", we? See, this is the thing people don't get about human society: People don't have the same values. These broadly overlapping categori

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On Sunday, December 03, 2023, at 10:00 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > I don't mean to sound dystopian. OK, let me present this a bit differently. THIS MUTHERFUCKER WAS DESIGNED TO KILL YOU Mkay? In a nice way, not using gas or guns or bombs. It was a trial balloon developed over several decades an

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All species eventually go extinct. But I think humans are safe for at least another century. There aren't enough long term trends to predict much further than that into the future. But Moore's law gives us over a century before self replicating nanotechnology surpasses the storage capacity of DNA b

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On Sunday, December 03, 2023, at 7:59 AM, James Bowery wrote: > > A dream to some, a nightmare to others.  > All those paleolithic megaliths around the globe… hmmm…could they be from previous human technological cycles? Unless there's some supercyc

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On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 6:05 AM John Rose wrote: > ... > Why do you think dystopias haven't happened... > A dream to some, a nightmare to others. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https:/

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On Saturday, December 02, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > AGI gives whatever we want so that is the end of us, so idiotic conclusion, > sorry. Although I would say after looking at the definition of dystopia and once one fully understands the gravity of what is happening it is al

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On Saturday, December 02, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > I cannot believe this group is full of dystopians. Dystopia never happen, at > least not for long or globally. They are always localized in time or space. > Hollywood is full of dystopia because they lack imagination.  Thi

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I cannot believe this group is full of dystopians. Dystopia never happen, at least not for long or globally. They are always localized in time or space. Hollywood is full of dystopia because they lack imagination. AGI gives whatever we want so that is the end of us, so idiotic conclusion, sorry. We

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People need to understand the significance of this global mindscrew. And ChatGPT is blue-pilled on the shots, as if anyone expected differently. What is absolutely amazing is that Steve Kirsch wasn’t able to speak at the MIT auditorium named after him since he was labeled as a misinformation su

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Etcetera: https://correlation-canada.org/nobel-vaccine-and-all-cause-mortality/ -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T206dd0e37a9e7407-M7c76a4ad6e4459816b12787d Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.

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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023, at 5:28 PM, David Williams wrote: > 4. No credible scientific evidence for creating amyloid clots. Even the > possibly *extremely rare* cases that could *possibly* be attributed to the > vaccines are vanishingly small compared to the vaccine benefits in protectin

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Quantum collapse is wrong but still a useful approximation because the correct alternative (Everett's many worlds) is not physically computable. The Copenhagen interpretation does not explain entanglement or quantum computing, and leads to obvious contradictions like Schrödinger's cat. The actual s

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On Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 9:53 AM John Rose wrote: > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023, at 11:41 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > So like many scientists, they look for evidence that supports their > theories instead of evidence that refutes them. > > > "In formulating their theories, “most physicists thin

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The panpsychic awareness of which consciousness is woven is most probably the awareness of information inherent in the computation of the laws of physics, as they are computed in our conscious brains. The equations of physics cannot compute without awareness of their variable values. There is virt

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On Wednesday, September 27, 2023, at 11:41 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > So like many scientists, they look for evidence that supports their theories > instead of evidence that refutes them. "In formulating their theories, “most physicists think about experiments,” he said. “I think they should be t

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On Wednesday, September 27, 2023, at 12:13 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > If you are going to define consciousness as intelligence, then you need to > define intelligence. We have two widely accepted definitions applicable to > computers. It’s not difficult. Entertain a panpsychist model of conscious

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Killswitch From: Matt Mahoney Sent: Wednesday, 27 September 2023 17:41 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] How AI will kill us On Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 11:02 AM John Rose mailto:johnr...@polyplexic.com>> wrote: On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Quan

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On Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 11:58 AM John Rose wrote: > On Wednesday, September 27, 2023, at 11:41 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > 1. Medical consciousness. The mental state of being awake and able to form > memories. The opposite of unconsciousness. > 2. Ethical consciousness. The property of higher anima

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On Wednesday, September 27, 2023, at 11:41 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > 1. Medical consciousness. The mental state of being awake and able to form > memories. The opposite of unconsciousness. > 2. Ethical consciousness. The property of higher animals that makes it > unethical to inflict pain or to h

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On Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 11:02 AM John Rose wrote: > On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Quan Tesla wrote: > > Incredible. We won't believe hard science, but we'll believe almost > everything else. This is "The Truman Show" all over again. > > > Orch-OR is macro level human brain centric co

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On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at 11:53 PM, Quan Tesla wrote: > Incredible. We won't believe hard science, but we'll believe almost > everything else. This is "The Truman Show" all over again.  > Orch-OR is macro level human brain centric consciousness theory though it may apply to animals, no

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On Wednesday, September 27, 2023, at 8:00 AM, Quan Tesla wrote: > Yip. It's called the xLimit. We've hit the ceiling...lol It's difficult to make progress on an email list if disengaged people spontaneously emit useless emotionally triggered quips... -- A

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I always thought the chance of aliens coming to earth was extremely small, until we earthlings learned there were trillions of planets in our galaxy, and that many of them are in solar systems a billion or more years older than ours, so they may well have civilizations much more advanced than ours

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Yip. It's called the xLimit. We've hit the ceiling...lol On Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 09:22 mm ee wrote: > Truthfully, I see the exact same discussion topics as the ones from SL4 > decades ago, complete with the same outcomes and back and forth. Nothing > really ever changed > > On Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 1

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On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at 5:18 PM, EdFromNH wrote: > Of course it is possible that advanced AI might find organic lifeforms > genetically engineered with organic brains to be the most efficient way to > mass produce brainpower under their control, and that such intelligent > organic lif

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On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at 5:18 PM, EdFromNH wrote: > Re: How AI will kill us: > > Regarding whether AI will kill all intelligent lifeforms on earth, there is > testimony from arguably credible sources that advanced alien spacecraft have > reached Earth piloted by, or at least carrying,

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Truthfully, I see the exact same discussion topics as the ones from SL4 decades ago, complete with the same outcomes and back and forth. Nothing really ever changed On Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 1:32 PM WriterOfMinds wrote: > On Monday, September 25, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > For those

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Incredible. We won't believe hard science, but we'll believe almost everything else. This is "The Truman Show" all over again. On Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 01:20 EdFromNH wrote: > Re: How AI will kill us: > > Regarding whether AI will kill all intelligent lifeforms on earth, there > is testimony from

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Re: How AI will kill us: Regarding whether AI will kill all intelligent lifeforms on earth, there is testimony from arguably credible sources that advanced alien spacecraft have reached Earth piloted by, or at least carrying, advanced organic lifeforms. Several people testifying before congress a

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On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at 3:17 PM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: > But according to all scientific evidence, and even Dr. Stuart Hammerhoff's > latest theory of anaesthetics, such patients aren't conscious at all. It's > hard science. > > AGI pertains to human intelligence,

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human intelligence, thus human consciousness, not to all matter. From: John Rose Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2023 13:23 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] How AI will kill us On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at 1:02 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: Are you

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On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at 8:56 AM, James Bowery wrote: > Since property rights are founded on civil society and civil society is > founded on the abrogation of individual male intrasexual selection by young > males in exchange for collectivized force that would act to protect > collecti

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On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 6:57 AM John Rose wrote: > ... > I’m baffled as to how many people willingly submitted their DNA. Who owns > perpetual rights to that DNA now? > Since property rights are founded on civil society and civil society is founded on the abrogation of individual male intrasexua

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On Monday, September 25, 2023, at 2:14 AM, Quan Tesla wrote: > But, in the new world (this dystopia we're existing in right now), free > lunches for AI owners are all the rage.  It's patently obvious in the total > onslaught by owners of cloud-based AI who are stealing IP, company video > meetin

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On Tuesday, September 26, 2023, at 1:02 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: > Are you asserting that a patient under aneasthesia is conscious? How then, if > there's no memory of experience, or sensation, or cognitive interaction, do > we claim human consciousness? > > Just a reminde

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would have to be emergent and/or programmable consciousness. "Boom done!"?, nothing of the sort! From: John Rose Sent: Monday, 25 September 2023 21:49 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] How AI will kill us On Monday, September 25, 2023, at 3:27 PM, Matt Mahoney

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We've entered the age of quantum computing. Computers are quantum-enabled machines. The quantum notion of equivalence isn't synonymous with equality. Causality remains a factor of holistic hierarchy. As far as AGI is concerned, the human aspect in the hierarchy of origin shall remain causal. Howeve

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On Monday, September 25, 2023, at 3:27 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > OK. Give me a test for consciousness and I'll do the experiment. If you mean > the Turing test then there is an easy proof. If you define consciousness as a panpsychist physical attribute then all implemented compressors would be c

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On Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 2:25 PM John Rose wrote: > On Monday, September 25, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > For those still here, what is there left to do? > > > I think we need a mathematical proof that conscious compressors compress > better than non… > OK. Give me a test for conscious

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Newcomb's paradox is another proof of Wolpert's theorem. It assumes that you and ND can both predict each others actions, and shows that this assumption leads to a contradiction. ND can simulate a copy of your mind and predict whether you will take one box or both. You can simulate ND because you a

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

On Monday, September 25, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > For those still here, what is there left to do? I think we need a mathematical proof that conscious compressors compress better than non…  -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permali

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 12:11 PM Matt Mahoney wrote: > On Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 2:15 AM Quan Tesla wrote: > >> >> I can't find one good reason why greater society (the world nations) >> would all be ok with artificial control of their humanity and sources of >> life by tyrants. >> > > Because we wa

Re: [agi] How AI will kill us

On Monday, September 25, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > For those still here, what is there left to do? Work on my own project because I love it, and I don't give a hoot about automating the global economy. I mean, it's a worthy goal, but I don't have to personally achieve it. My goals

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