I've mostly finished switching the list's SMTP server from notqmail (a
qmail fork) to Haraka. Kind of a funny juxtaposition. Qmail is a C
program whose design was already traditionalist when it was written in
1995, and it hasn't changed much since then. These days it's used
mostly by hipsters.
On 2/9/2020 7:18 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote:
> Falsifian wrote:
>
>> 1b. Agora's nature as a broadcast email list seems to put limits on
>> how many active players it can practically sustain. If 100
>> players were all sending interesting proposals and
Aris wrote:
You might want to check the AI on that?
-Aris
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 6:13 PM Edward Murphy via agora-business
wrote:
Proposal: Fix Auctions
Amend Rule 2549 (Auction Initiation) by replacing this text:
An Auction also CANNOT be initiated unless the Auctioneer is able
Alexis wrote:
Definition and Continuity of Entities may result in this happening
automatically. The easiest fix may be to simply condition around it,
so that the result works regardless of whether or not D applies.
Hmm, point, but ambiguous; the new name isn't identical to the old, just
G. wrote:
On 2/9/2020 1:43 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
Oh, right, I have to do this now:
This was broken due to no "by announcement" in R2496 - is it fixed now?
Well, if it isn't, then at least we know what to re-post once it is.
Alexis wrote:
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:37, Edward Murphy via agora-business
wrote:
Proposal: Consistent ADoP duties
(AI = 2)
Amend Rule 2154 (Election Procedure) by appending to this text:
If at any point an uncontested election has a single candidate,
then any player CAN by
Falsifian wrote:
1b. Agora's nature as a broadcast email list seems to put limits on
how many active players it can practically sustain. If 100
players were all sending interesting proposals and arguments and
so on, it would be impractical for anyone to keep up. I'm
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 20:29, Jason Cobb via agora-business
wrote:
> As do I. I never intended to keep Rulekeepor this long, and I can see
> why people would want to replace me, given the recent delay in reporting.
I just felt that if you've been in office this long, no reason for you
to not be
Here is a draft report.
-Aris
---
I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
quorum is 7, the voting method is AI-majority, and the valid
You might want to check the AI on that?
-Aris
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 6:13 PM Edward Murphy via agora-business
wrote:
>
> Proposal: Fix Auctions
>
> Amend Rule 2549 (Auction Initiation) by replacing this text:
>
>An Auction also CANNOT be initiated unless the Auctioneer is able
>
I started to implement some rulekeepor automation a while back. I was getting
really fancy, (manually) converting proposals to a machine-readable format and
automatically applying them to the ruleset. I might finish that up and take up
Rulekeepor, but I’m not sure.
Gaelan
> On Feb 9, 2020,
On 2/9/2020 4:51 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 19:41, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>> I've been thinking for a while that zombies should be transferable
>> assets. It's really simple to implement too: You just need to create a
>> "control
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 21:24, Edward Murphy via agora-official
wrote:
> Proposal 8295 moved office salary reporting to the ADoP.
>
> Wed Jan 29 2020 03:26:29 UTC - initial alleged resolution
> Sat Feb 1 2020 02:24:44 UTC - CoE accepted, corrected resolution
>
> I grant 5 coins to each of these
Warrigal wrote:
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 12:31 Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
You kids and your timely fashions. When I was young, we did things as soon
as possible both ways and we liked it!
You know, I *still* think of VVLOP and second-class
On Mon, 2020-02-10 at 01:16 +, James Cook via agora-discussion
wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 20:37, Edward Murphy via agora-business
> wrote:
> > Proposal: Meaningless extra coins
> > (AI = 2, co-author = Alexis)
> >
> > Amend Rule 2483 (Economics) by appending this text:
> >
> >
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 20:37, Edward Murphy via agora-business
wrote:
> Proposal: Meaningless extra coins
> (AI = 2, co-author = Alexis)
>
> Amend Rule 2483 (Economics) by appending this text:
>
>Upon doing so, eir remaining Coins (if any) are destroyed.
It would be more fun if it
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 18:09, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
wrote:
> On 1/24/2020 3:25 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote:
>
> > I, R. Lee, do register
>
> I have a registration recorded from 12/29/2019, I suppose that was also
> ineffective due to the Troubles, though?
In a couple of
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 3:58 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> If resubmitting an failed proposal without changes, do you prefer to
> have it repeated or is it enough to let you copy-paste it?
Letting me copy-paste it would be easier (I can keep the formatting),
but please give the
On 2/9/20 7:29 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote:
> I would absolutely prefer to see the full version from that site
> posted to the mailing lists as it makes it much easier to work out.
> Last time I mentioned conditional votes I believe you didn't mention
> this site, and that was
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 19:41, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
wrote:
> I've been thinking for a while that zombies should be transferable
> assets. It's really simple to implement too: You just need to create a
> "control idol" or something, and say that a zombie's owner is defined
> as the
omd wrote:
Each mbox file is append-only, so you can use the "continue download"
option of your favorite tool to sync without having to redownload the
whole thing:
wget -c
https://agora:no...@mailman.agoranomic.org/archives/agora-business.mbox
I just set up my home server to do this
> On Jan 24, 2020, at 2:01 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>
> (with that wonderful currently-missing technology: search)
For what it’s worth, I used grep against a clone of your archive on GitHub
(AgoraNomic/cases) while researching my last CFJ, and it worked quite well.
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 4:37 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> I'd like to fix zombie auctions, but the current rules are complex and
> I am not sure the best way to approach it. I was working on a proto
> that created an Escrow Trust which would hold assets up for auction...
> except
I'd like to fix zombie auctions, but the current rules are complex and
I am not sure the best way to approach it. I was working on a proto
that created an Escrow Trust which would hold assets up for auction...
except that zombies aren't assets and therefore cannot be transferred;
we already have a
G. wrote:
omd inherited these from Murphy, who stored these in a mysql database
PostgreSQL.
(with that wonderful currently-missing technology: search). The
translation from mysql to flat files left some odd quirks, in
particular with people's names. Murphy had inherited that database
from
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 19:17, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
wrote:
> On 2/9/20 7:14 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote:
> > * Assessor, as I'm dissatisfied with the sparse content of resolutions;
>
> What other content would you like in the resolutions? I'll also point
> out there is more
On 2/9/20 7:14 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote:
> * Assessor, as I'm dissatisfied with the sparse content of resolutions;
What other content would you like in the resolutions? I'll also point
out there is more information at https://agoranomic.org/assessor/ since
I try to keep the
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 19:04, Gaelan Steele via agora-business
wrote:
> The way zombie auctions work, you can’t bid for yourself—you just bid on the
> auction in general, and then whoever has the highest bid gets Trigon, whoever
> has the second highest gets Nch, whoever has the third highest
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 21:15, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 12:17, James Cook via agora-business
> wrote:
> >
> > This is an unofficial report on the ongoing zombie auction. All times UTC.
> >
> > Note: it is not clear that zombie auctions work. It is possible
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 4:10 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 19:00, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
> wrote:
> >
> > On 2/9/20 6:42 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote:
> > > The original AI was 2 when it was submitted.
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 18:58, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
wrote:
> I’m not so sure it self-ratified, actually.
>
> 1551/21 reads, in part: {
> An internally inconsistent document generally cannot be ratified; however, if
> such a document can be divided into a summary section and a main
Yep, https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Ruleset-Viewer
> On Feb 9, 2020, at 4:01 PM, omd via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 1:11 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>> FYI, for anyone in need of a more up-to-date ruleset, my online ruleset
>> viewer
G. wrote:
FWIW, it comes to the same answer (FALSE). Alexis cited the precedent of
CFJ 3645 as a specific issue against my judgement. CFJ 3645 found, without
much analysis, that publishing a link to information is the same as
publishing the information itself, for the purposes of R2143. But
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 10:00 AM Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
wrote:
> I'm also generally catching up on ADoP recordkeeping. Little over half
> done, so a report should be coming up within the next hour or two.
Welcome back :)
On 2/9/20 6:42 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote:
> The original AI was 2 when it was submitted. Noticing this error
> within the week of distribution would invalidate it for lack of
> clarity, but it's self-ratified, so I believe it's properly
> distributed at AI=2 now.
>
> -Alexis
I
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 1:11 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
wrote:
> FYI, for anyone in need of a more up-to-date ruleset, my online ruleset
> viewer (https://agora-ruleset.gaelan.me) is based on the Rulekeepor’s GitHub
> repository, so it may be (and is, at the moment) more up to date
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 18:30, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
wrote:
> On 2/9/2020 3:21 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
> > PROPOSAL 8317 (Zombie trade)
> > FOR (5): Alexis%, Bernie, Gaelan, omd, twg&
> > AGAINST (6): Aris, Falsifian$, G., Jason, Rance, o
> > PRESENT (0):
> > BALLOTS:
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 18:21, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
wrote:
> Because this is the first distribution with ministries (and my code
> probably contains bugs), here's a draft resolution. (I've already hand
> checked the voting strengths, bu I could have missed something).
This would be far,
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 18:27, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
> > wrote:
> >
> > Proto-Proposal: Standard Model of Agoran Economics
> > (AI = 2)
> >
> > [Reintroduce diversification of currencies. Probably needs
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 21:57, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> Love the concept—I imagine many players (including me) had some vague plan of
> writing this up at some point.
>
> Feedback inline.
>
> Gaelan
Yeah, I've seen variations on this sort of thing enough times now that
it
On 2/9/2020 3:01 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote:
> I strongly oppose this. In my view, inquiry cases should generally
> *not* be the officer making the initial interpretation, at least not
> preferentially. Inquiry cases are effectively the fallback appeal
> mechanism, and should
On 2/9/2020 3:21 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
> PROPOSAL 8317 (Zombie trade)
> FOR (5): Alexis%, Bernie, Gaelan, omd, twg&
> AGAINST (6): Aris, Falsifian$, G., Jason, Rance, o
> PRESENT (0):
> BALLOTS: 11
> AI (F/A): 21/19 (AI=1.0)
> OUTCOME: ADOPTED
This one is very broken if
> On Feb 9, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>
> Proto-Proposal: Standard Model of Agoran Economics
> (AI = 2)
>
> [Reintroduce diversification of currencies. Probably needs tweaking.]
>
> Amend Rule 2483 (Economics) to read:
>
> The following are
twg wrote:
Trigon's "Interesting Chambers" idea got a great deal of popular support
and doesn't deserve to be dropped solely because e left us, so I've
Meh, I'd lost track of that. I suppose a future zombie auction will be
unusually competitive, then...
Here’s another proto: {
Title: Calls with Memoranda
AI: 2
Co-authors: Aris, G, Alexis
Create a new Power-2 rule titled “Administrative Opinions”: {
An officer may publish an Administrative Opinion for a judicial case,
specifying a valid judgement for that case. Officers SHALL [SHOULD?] only
Because this is the first distribution with ministries (and my code
probably contains bugs), here's a draft resolution. (I've already hand
checked the voting strengths, bu I could have missed something).
RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8308-8321
=
I hereby resolve the
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 18:06, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
wrote:
> Proto-Proposal: Standard Model of Agoran Economics
> (AI = 2)
>
> [Reintroduce diversification of currencies. Probably needs tweaking.]
>
> Amend Rule 2483 (Economics) to read:
>
>The following are currencies,
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 21:36, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> A few comments:
>
> * "Body of law" is a very long phrase for such an important concept.
> Could we try to come up with something shorter? If not, we could
> shorten it to "BoL", though that doesn't have quite the same
On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 3:02 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 17:59, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> wrote:
> > I mean, didn’t we just do that, without any explicit rule at all? All we
> > need is an informal policy that we go with the officer’s
Proto-Proposal: Standard Model of Agoran Economics
(AI = 2)
[Reintroduce diversification of currencies. Probably needs tweaking.]
Amend Rule 2483 (Economics) to read:
The following are currencies, tracked by the Treasuror. They can
be owned by Agora, players, and contracts.
On 2/9/2020 2:59 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote:
> Amend rule 991 by appending “All other things being equal, the Arbitor SHOULD
> assign Calls for Judgement to the officer most concerned with its content.”
> after the sentence "The Arbitor SHALL assign judges over time such
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 17:59, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
wrote:
> I mean, didn’t we just do that, without any explicit rule at all? All we need
> is an informal policy that we go with the officer’s interpretation unless a
> CfJ decides otherwise.
>
> Alternatively, here’s a lightweight
On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 14:59 -0800, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
wrote:
> I mean, didn’t we just do that, without any explicit rule at all? All
> we need is an informal policy that we go with the officer’s
> interpretation unless a CfJ decides otherwise.
>
> Alternatively, here’s a
I mean, didn’t we just do that, without any explicit rule at all? All we need
is an informal policy that we go with the officer’s interpretation unless a CfJ
decides otherwise.
Alternatively, here’s a lightweight attempt to implement memoranda, either as
an alternative to the above informal
Alexis wrote:
> I will be treating this as invalid, per R2510:
>
> > A player CAN publish a Notice of Honour. ... When a Notice of Honour is
> > published...
>
> and R2466:
>
> > ... A person CANNOT act
> > on behalf of another person to do anything except perform a game
> > action; in
On 2/9/2020 2:22 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 17:19, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business
> wrote:
>> On Bernie's behalf, Notice of Honour:
>> -1 Gaelan (applying the CSS for eir ruleset primarily via arbitrary
>>emoji. I don't know why you
For the record, the CSS here is applied using CSS Modules [0], which randomizes
class names in order to avoid conflicts between classes of the same name
defined in different places. It normally uses an alphanumeric string, but it
has an option for doing emoji instead, so why the hell not? Also,
On 2/9/2020 2:17 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote:
> G. wrote:
>> On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
>>>
>>> * I act on behalf of Bernie to award myself a White Ribbon.
>>>
>>
>> This is one of the few things that can permanently and adversely affect a
>> player's
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 17:19, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business
wrote:
> On Bernie's behalf, Notice of Honour:
> -1 Gaelan (applying the CSS for eir ruleset primarily via arbitrary
>emoji. I don't know why you would do this)
> +1 Jason (having to assess two consecutive large
Alexis wrote:
> Gaelan is Notary.
Notary doesn't have a ministry yet, though. Although I suppose it will
come to have one partway though the resolution... We seem to be intent
on making proposals that are difficult to resolve, don't we?
-twg
G. wrote:
> On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
> >
> > * I act on behalf of Bernie to award myself a White Ribbon.
> >
>
> This is one of the few things that can permanently and adversely affect a
> player's future participation while e's a zombie, as most other things can
> be
Agora, by CFJ 3706, is a contract by nature. It's a contract because of the
way it exists.
And it's probably still invisible because the Ruleset and all of its
parties (players) still haven't been posted as a *single* publication, all
together ("this publication must include its full provisions
> On Feb 8, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 17:22, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>>
>> Seems reasonable. Minor thing: it would be nice if this had a self-repeal
>> provision.
>>
>> Gaelan
>
> But that would move it back
On 2/9/2020 1:43 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
> Oh, right, I have to do this now:
This was broken due to no "by announcement" in R2496 - is it fixed now?
Murphy wrote:
> Proposal 8295 moved office salary reporting to the ADoP.
>
> Wed Jan 29 2020 03:26:29 UTC - initial alleged resolution
> Sat Feb 1 2020 02:24:44 UTC - CoE accepted, corrected resolution
>
> I grant 5 coins to each of these players for publishing these reports
Jason wrote:
> Oh,
On 2/9/2020 12:48 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> n Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:36, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2020 12:25 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote:
>>> On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-business
>>> wrote:
On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon
FYI, for anyone in need of a more up-to-date ruleset, my online ruleset viewer
(https://agora-ruleset.gaelan.me) is based on the Rulekeepor’s GitHub
repository, so it may be (and is, at the moment) more up to date than the
latest SLR.
Gaelan
> On Feb 9, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business
> wrote:
>
> Proposal: Switch Responsibility Responsibility
> (co-author = Alexis, chamber = Efficiency)
>
> Amend Rule 2603 (Switch Responsibility) by appending this text:
>
> The ADoP CAN appoint a player to such an
n Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:36, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
>
> On 2/9/2020 12:25 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-business
> > wrote:
> >> On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
> >>>
> >>> * I act on behalf of
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:37, Edward Murphy via agora-business
wrote:
> Proposal: Consistent ADoP duties
> (AI = 2)
>
> Amend Rule 2154 (Election Procedure) by appending to this text:
>
>If at any point an uncontested election has a single candidate,
>then any player CAN by
On 2/9/2020 12:25 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-business
> wrote:
>> On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
>>>
>>> * I act on behalf of Bernie to award myself a White Ribbon.
>>>
>>
>> This is one of the few things
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 15:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-business
wrote:
> On 2/8/2020 5:38 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
> >
> > * I act on behalf of Bernie to award myself a White Ribbon.
> >
>
> This is one of the few things that can permanently and adversely affect a
> player's future
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 20:39, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
> Jason wrote:
> > Because there hasn't been an ADoP report in over a month (I hope
> > Murphy's okay), I'd just like to confirm office holdings because the
> > assessments depend on it:
> >
> > The latest report is at
On 2/9/20 1:48 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote:
> If Notary does not have Ministry set, then I set it to {Economy}.
I believe you can only do this without objection, per Proposal 8291's
rule "ministries".
--
Jason Cobb
On 1/24/2020 3:25 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote:
I, R. Lee, do register
I have a registration recorded from 12/29/2019, I suppose that was also
ineffective due to the Troubles, though?
omd wrote:
=== CFJ 3787 ===
Murphy initiated an election for Prime Minister on or about Sun,
Dec 22 2019 (18:48:16) UTC.
To sum up, Murphy's message was not a public message because it was
not "sent via" the list to a
G. wrote:
> The below CFJ is 3806. I assign it to Gaelan.
>
> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3806
>
> === CFJ 3806 ===
>
> In the attached message, I submitted a public petition to the
> ADoP, as
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