Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJs 4075 and 4076

2024-04-30 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
Mostly just throwing fuel on the fire and poking things, for fun :) (That's why I'm not objecting officially.) Firstly, "Ownership" takes precedence (by power) over "Promises", and the actions happen in sequence, so Ownership takes precedence over Promises which attempts to change the owner of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJs 4075 and 4076

2024-04-30 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-04-30 at 09:52 -0700, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > I object. > Per Rule 2576 "Ownership", the asset goes into abeyance as soon as the > owner is ambiguous. > The owner becomes ambiguous at step 2, wherein we are not sure if ais523 > can take the asset due to the ensuing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJs 4075 and 4076

2024-04-30 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 10:03 AM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/30/24 11:52, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote: > > I object. > > Per Rule 2576 "Ownership", the asset goes into abeyance as soon as the > > owner is ambiguous. > > The owner becomes

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJs 4075 and 4076

2024-04-30 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/30/24 11:52, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote: > I object. > Per Rule 2576 "Ownership", the asset goes into abeyance as soon as the > owner is ambiguous. > The owner becomes ambiguous at step 2, wherein we are not sure if ais523 > can take the asset due to the ensuing contradiction. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJs 4075 and 4076

2024-04-30 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 9:52 AM 4st nomic via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I object. > Per Rule 2576 "Ownership", the asset goes into abeyance as soon as the > owner is ambiguous. > The owner becomes ambiguous at step 2, wherein we are not sure if ais523 > can take

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJs 4075 and 4076

2024-04-30 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
I object. Per Rule 2576 "Ownership", the asset goes into abeyance as soon as the owner is ambiguous. The owner becomes ambiguous at step 2, wherein we are not sure if ais523 can take the asset due to the ensuing contradiction. Therefore, both CFJs should be FALSE, as neither party can cash a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9102-9110

2024-04-30 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/30/24 02:43, wunst via agora-business wrote: >> 9102~   juniper 1.0   An Overpowering Proposal > AGAINST >> 9103~   juniper 1.0   Dictator Takes the Quorum > AGAINST >> 9104~   snail   1.0   Stamp Raffle fix > FOR >> 9105~   snail

DIS: Re: BUS: Delegation [attn. ADoP]

2024-04-28 Thread Jaff via agora-discussion
I support each intent. - Jaff On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 11:34 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I intend, with support from Jaff, to flip the Delegate of Assessor to Jaff. > > I intend, with support from Jaff, to flip the Delegate of Stonemason to > Jaff.

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJs 4075 and 4076

2024-04-28 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-04-28 at 15:38 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > I was looking for (but couldn't find) one or two other cases that G. was > involved in, along the lines of: > >    * A player plays card X which gives em card Y, then plays card Y > which retroactively negates eir

DIS: Re: BUS: (@stonemason)

2024-04-28 Thread Jaff via agora-discussion
If I am not mistaken, then chain of ownership since the last time Agora owned the stone is: Gaelan -> ais523 -> Murphy -> Jaff -> Janet -> Ben So I am not a valid target. - Jaff On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 4:14 AM Agora amdw42 via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I wield

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) A belated recusal (CFJs 4075-76)

2024-04-23 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/22/24 23:11, Kiako via agora-business wrote: > I recuse myself from CFJs 4075 and 4076, if able, with the following > statement: > >   I seem to have gotten distracted from Agora, and I don't think I have > a good enough grasp of Agora's handling of paradoxes (and am perhaps too >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2024-04-23 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2024-04-23 00:59]: > On 4/23/24 00:55, mqyhlkahu via agora-discussion wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Janet (randomnetcat) responded to our Declaration of Intent to Push the > > Boulder[1] with the following[2]: > > > >> this is *very* close to accidentally being a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2024-04-22 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/23/24 00:55, mqyhlkahu via agora-discussion wrote: > Hello, > > Janet (randomnetcat) responded to our Declaration of Intent to Push the > Boulder[1] with the following[2]: > >> this is *very* close to accidentally being a tabled intent under R1728 rather >> than actually pushing the bolder. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2024-04-22 Thread mqyhlkahu via agora-discussion
Hello, Janet (randomnetcat) responded to our Declaration of Intent to Push the Boulder[1] with the following[2]: > this is *very* close to accidentally being a tabled intent under R1728 rather > than actually pushing the bolder. To our understanding, our action is not a Tabled Action[3] because

DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2024-04-22 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/23/24 00:21, mqyhlkahu via agora-business wrote: > Hello, > > We formally declare our intent to perform the following action(s): > {{{ > In accordance with [1], we announce that we Push the Boulder, thereby > increasing its Height by 1. > >[1] Rule 2683/1 (Power=0.5) > }}} >

DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to Register

2024-04-21 Thread mqyhlkahu via agora-discussion
Hello, > Under what name do you wish to be known? Any names listed in set [1] are acceptable. Please note that the listed names are _not_ case-insensitive — they are all fully lower-cased, even when they appear in contexts which would typically require upper-casing or title-casing, such as at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Overpowered Deputizations

2024-04-21 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 9:08 PM Jaff via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I will point out that there are multiple ways to take actions of an office > without holding it which this wouldn't cover, such as delegation. I think a > safer fix would be preventing a player

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9096-9101

2024-04-21 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/21/24 22:43, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: >> Spending Stone: As the Stonemason, I don't want to incentivize massive >> numbers of wieldings in the same message because that increases my >> workload. >> > This one doesn't make sense, the stones would probably be wielded anyways, >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9096-9101

2024-04-21 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 9:10 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/21/24 18:04, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:12 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > >>> 9099~

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Collector] (@Illuminator) Stamp Raffle Results (THE GREAT STAMP HEIST)

2024-04-21 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 7:41 PM Matt Smyth via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > And at what point in the rules does it say when you are able to close > registration for the raffle? The emails seem to show that you started, > registered, then closed the raffle within

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An Overpowering Proposal

2024-04-21 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/21/24 20:11, Matt Smyth via agora-discussion wrote: > I edit the proposal as such: > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 9:41 am Matt Smyth via agora-business, < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> I submit the following proposal: >> >> {{{ >> Title: An Overpowering Proposal >> Adoption Index:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9096-9101

2024-04-21 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/21/24 18:04, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:12 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >>> 9099~ snail 2.0 Quantum Superstone >> AGAINST >> >> >>> 9100~ snail 2.0 Spending

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Overpowered Deputizations

2024-04-21 Thread Jaff via agora-discussion
I will point out that there are multiple ways to take actions of an office without holding it which this wouldn't cover, such as delegation. I think a safer fix would be preventing a player who holds an office from taking actions corresponding to another office such that holding both would make

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Collector] (@Illuminator) Stamp Raffle Results (THE GREAT STAMP HEIST)

2024-04-21 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
And at what point in the rules does it say when you are able to close registration for the raffle? The emails seem to show that you started, registered, then closed the raffle within about ten minutes. Surely there's something to prevent this from happening? On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 10:37 am

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Collector] (@Illuminator) Stamp Raffle Results (THE GREAT STAMP HEIST)

2024-04-21 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 7:06 PM Matt Smyth via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 10:04 am secretsnail9 via agora-business, < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I temporarily deputize as Collector to publish the following Raffle > Result.

DIS: Re: BUS: An Overpowering Proposal

2024-04-21 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
I edit the proposal as such: On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 9:41 am Matt Smyth via agora-business, < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > {{{ > Title: An Overpowering Proposal > Adoption Index: 1.0 > Author: juniper > Co-authors: > > > Amend Rule 2472 (Office

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An Overpowering Proposal

2024-04-21 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
I'll modify the proposal On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 10:05 am Matt Smyth, wrote: > My idea was quorum-minus-one times default voting, so that it takes e.g. > if there were eleven voters then dictator would count as 5 votes (or voting > strength, etc.) if one person has one vote. This means it requires

DIS: Re: BUS: [Collector] (@Illuminator) Stamp Raffle Results (THE GREAT STAMP HEIST)

2024-04-21 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 10:04 am secretsnail9 via agora-business, < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I temporarily deputize as Collector to publish the following Raffle Result. > > Raffle Participants: > snail > > Raffle Winner: > snail > -- > snail > So you collected your own stamp? ___

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An Overpowering Proposal

2024-04-21 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
My idea was quorum-minus-one times default voting, so that it takes e.g. if there were eleven voters then dictator would count as 5 votes (or voting strength, etc.) if one person has one vote. This means it requires the Dictator and one player to vote the same way for a proposal to pass. On Mon,

DIS: Re: BUS: (@collector) raffle time

2024-04-21 Thread Agora amdw42 via agora-discussion
I object to any attempts to declare apathy —— Ben From: agora-business on behalf of secretsnail9 via agora-business Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 7:56:24 PM To: agora-busin...@agoranomic.org Cc: secretsnail9 Subject: BUS: (@collector) raffle time I enter the

DIS: Re: BUS: An Overpowering Proposal

2024-04-21 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 6:41 PM Matt Smyth via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > {{{ > Title: An Overpowering Proposal > Adoption Index: 1.0 > Author: juniper > Co-authors: > > > Amend Rule 2472 (Office Incompatibilities) by appending >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9096-9101

2024-04-21 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:12 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > 9099~ snail 2.0 Quantum Superstone > > AGAINST > > > > 9100~ snail 2.0 Spending Stone > > AGAINST > > > > 9101~ snail 2.0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9087-9095

2024-04-20 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/18/24 08:26, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > I think crystal poaching is fine: it's competitive teamwork! I've poached > Janet for example. Perhaps coauthors need to be rewarded also? I mean, I wasn't thrilled by that. I think it's reasonable to want to reap the rewards from your

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9087-9095

2024-04-18 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
I think crystal poaching is fine: it's competitive teamwork! I've poached Janet for example. Perhaps coauthors need to be rewarded also? On Wed, Apr 17, 2024, 11:01 PM secretsnail9 via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > 9094~ snail, R. Lee 1.0 More

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9087-9095

2024-04-18 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
> 9094~ snail, R. Lee 1.0 More instability with a hyphen > PRESENT, but I'm quite peeved - it would have been polite to let me know > about the error so I could correct it instead of submitting your own > proposal and getting the crystal benefits therefrom. The trouble with this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deregistration attempts

2024-04-16 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
Deregistering players, fine But insisting on being a player but not doing much is a little confusing to me On Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 6:22 AM juan via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > 4st nomic via agora-discussion [2024-04-15 21:57]: > > I'm confused about the reasoning

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deregistration attempts

2024-04-16 Thread juan via agora-discussion
4st nomic via agora-discussion [2024-04-15 21:57]: > I'm confused about the reasoning behind doing this...? What part of it? > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 1:17 PM Rose Strong via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > I activate myself. > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 4:03 PM

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deregistration attempts

2024-04-15 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
I'm confused about the reasoning behind doing this...? On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 1:17 PM Rose Strong via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I activate myself. > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 4:03 PM juan wrote: > > > As per rule 2646, for each of the following players, who have been

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9087-9095

2024-04-15 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/14/24 23:11, Quadrantal via agora-business wrote: > For each proposal below, I vote as follows, if I am so eligible. > > //Pretty sure I registered before all of þese, but one can never be too > careful Just to clarify, you are eligible for all of them, because you only need to be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Civic Duty (Absurdor)

2024-04-13 Thread Quadrantal via agora-discussion
Hah! Even here, I'm not safe from linguistics; I suppose I brought þis on myself. My limited knowledge of phonology would agree wiþ you, though I'm no expert. Unfortunately for linguistic accuracy, however, my use of þe þorn is mostly currently limited to replacements by an autohotkey

DIS: Re: BUS: Civic Duty (Absurdor)

2024-04-13 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sat, 2024-04-13 at 22:11 -0400, Quadrantal via agora-business wrote: > I push þe boulder. > > -- > > The above message shall be read, to the fullest extent possible, as if > it was sent with the digraph "th" in place of all occurrences of the > character thorn ("þ"), and such digraphs were

DIS: Re: BUS: @Notary @ADoP Delegating for tailor

2024-04-13 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 1:35 AM Ben Matthies via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Let's try again... > > With support from ais523 and Janet, and without objections, I become > delegate for Tailor. > > I take the promise "Tailor Delegation 2024-04-04" by Murphy from the >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Monthly report: Arrivals and Departures

2024-04-11 Thread juan via agora-discussion
MLE Slone via agora-business [2024-04-10 12:07]: > On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 4:15 PM juan via agora-official > wrote: > [snip] > > Maud > > (v) Maud (1999-04-20--2006-12-13) > > (v) Maud (2007-03-07--2007-05-14) > [snip] > > -- > > juan > > Registrar, Absurdor > > This information is not

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Spendor definition

2024-04-10 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/10/24 10:06, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > The Officeholder of Spendor is hereby flipped to nix. > > } For bystander context, I consented to this. -- nix Arbitor

DIS: Re: BUS: @Notary @ADoP Delegating for tailor

2024-04-09 Thread wunst via agora-discussion
Got my mail identities mixed up. To clarify this is just me. --wunst On 09.04.24 08:34, Ben Matthies wrote: Let's try again... With support from ais523 and Janet, and without objections, I become delegate for Tailor. I take the promise "Tailor Delegation 2024-04-04" by Murphy from the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning R2578

2024-04-08 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/8/24 18:42, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > I object > The possessive and the plural are not typos The full context: > Amend R2578 to read in full: > > A fungible asset is one where two instances of it are considered > equivalent if they have the same owner, for the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning R2578

2024-04-08 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/8/24 18:45, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > I object on secondary grounds that rule 2578 "currencies" does not contain > "entities" It does as a result of a resolved proposal, I just noticed it while working on the (unpublished) updated ruleset. -- Janet Cobb Assessor,

DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning R2578

2024-04-08 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
I object on secondary grounds that rule 2578 "currencies" does not contain "entities" On Mon, Apr 8, 2024, 3:43 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/8/24 14:52, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > I intend, without object, to clean Rule 2578 by

DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning R2578

2024-04-08 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
I object The possessive and the plural are not typos On Mon, Apr 8, 2024, 11:52 AM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I intend, without object, to clean Rule 2578 by replacing the sole > instance of "entities" with "entity's". > > -- > Janet Cobb > >

DIS: Re: BUS: Actions (@ Dream Keeper, Collector)

2024-04-07 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Apr 7, 2024, at 1:21 PM, Jaff via agora-business > wrote: > > I envision my dream of wealth. This fails: dreams were repealed this morning. Gaelan

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Notary, Arbitor) A Broken Promise

2024-04-07 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Apr 7, 2024, at 1:19 PM, ais523 via agora-business > wrote: > > I call for judgement on the statement "Yachay CAN cash Promise Q, > either by directly cashing it, or by transferring it from the Library > to emself and then cashing it." > > I call for judgement on the statement "I CAN

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Notary @ADoP Delegating for tailor

2024-04-04 Thread wunst via agora-discussion
O that's what "mature" means Thank you very much -wunst On 04.04.24 20:11, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 4/4/24 14:05, wunst via agora-discussion wrote: I do so (1 and 2). I award myself a Cyan ribbon. @ais523 Thanks for the clarification @Murphy Have a nice vacation These

DIS: Re: BUS: @Notary @ADoP Delegating for tailor

2024-04-04 Thread wunst via agora-discussion
I do so (1 and 2). I award myself a Cyan ribbon. @ais523 Thanks for the clarification @Murphy Have a nice vacation On 04.04.24 18:46, ais523 via agora-business wrote: On Thu, 2024-04-04 at 18:40 +0200, wunst via agora-business wrote: I intend, with Agoran Consent, to 1) become delegate for

DIS: Re: BUS: Announcement of Dictatorship

2024-04-01 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business [2024-04-01 19:22]: > Quite a lot has happened in the last couple of hours. I have taken complete > control of Agora. > > Full explanation here: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGxIE1hr0w4 ) I intend to declare anger. -- juan

DIS: Re: BUS: Announcement of Dictatorship

2024-04-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/1/24 12:22, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > Quite a lot has happened in the last couple of hours. I have taken complete > control of Agora. > > Full explanation here: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGxIE1hr0w4 ) Finally, a dictator with a good platform. I feel like this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4073 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2024-04-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I do, sorry for the delay. On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 5:47 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 3/19/24 16:06, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > > That is a good point, I self-file a motion to reconsider. > > Do you intend to rejudge this yourself, or

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4073 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2024-04-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 3/19/24 16:06, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > That is a good point, I self-file a motion to reconsider. Do you intend to rejudge this yourself, or would you like it to be assigned to someone else? -- nix Arbitor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 4072 Judged TRUE

2024-03-29 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/25/24 18:10, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 3/16/24 22:08, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> So, a potential point of disagreement here is what *exactly* this >> standard is requiring. Importantly, I think it's unclear whether the >> requirement for the "specification of the

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
Huh. You cannot officially require the referee to investigate a non-player via noting. On Mon, Mar 25, 2024, 12:14 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I create the following proposal: > > --- > Title: yes, yes, I got the memo > Author: Gaelan > AI: 1.7 >

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 4072 Judged TRUE

2024-03-25 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 3/16/24 22:08, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > So, a potential point of disagreement here is what *exactly* this > standard is requiring. Importantly, I think it's unclear whether the > requirement for the "specification of the method" includes a requirement > for the specification to be

DIS: Re: BUS: [@Notary] Rent-Seeking Street Food Vendor

2024-03-25 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 4:33 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I grant the following promise to the Library: { > Conditions: the bearer has transferred me, in the same message, 7 radiance. > > I wield the Hot Potato Stone, specifying the bearer. > } > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 25, 2024, at 8:53 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I suggest "un-noted" to prevent all instances of noting 1 infraction > multiple times. That doesn’t fix the original issue, as an infraction can be investigated without being noted. And I don’t really think

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 25, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 25/03/2024 19:13, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: >> Amend rule 2478 (“Justice”) by replacing: { >> A player CAN, by announcement, "note" an unforgiven infraction >> committed by any other

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 3:07 PM Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 25/03/2024 19:13, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > > Amend rule 2478 (“Justice”) by replacing: { > > A player CAN, by announcement, "note" an unforgiven infraction

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On 25/03/2024 19:13, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > Amend rule 2478 (“Justice”) by replacing: { > A player CAN, by announcement, "note" an unforgiven infraction > committed by any other player in the last 14 days, specifying the > incident and the rule it violates (or name of the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] Judgment Reminder @Kate @Janet @Murphy @Gaelan

2024-03-25 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 3/23/24 13:52, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > I recuse myself from my CFJs (4063 and 4057). I'm sorry - I've > overextended myself these last couple of months and dropped a lot of the > balls I'm juggling, exactly like I said I'd learned not to when I > rejoined last year,

DIS: Re: BUS: [Collector] Stamp Raffle Results

2024-03-24 Thread Sarah S. via agora-discussion
I joined the raffle no? - R.Lee On Mon, 25 Mar 2024, 10:30 am secretsnail9 via agora-business, < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I publish the following Raffle Result. > > Raffle Participants: > Mercury > > Raffle Winner: > Mercury > -- > snail >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Revised Resolution of Proposals 9068-9069

2024-03-24 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/24/24 17:56, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Well, I for one am confused. What was this even /intended/ to do? It > appears to fail to resolve anything, due to ambiguity. Or was it > intended as "I already published a corrected resolution, now I'm > just quoting said correction in

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Revised Resolution of Proposals 9068-9069

2024-03-24 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: I previously wrote: PROPOSALS = PROPOSAL 9068 (Agora of Empires) AUTHOR: Yachay Wayllukuq CLASS: ORDINARY FOR (2): Murphy%, Yachay Wayllukuq% AGAINST (2): Aris%, Janet+ PRESENT (2): juan$, snail^ BALLOTS: 6 AI (F/A): 10/14 (AI=1.0) POPULARITY: 0.000 OUTCOME: REJECTED

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: one from the archives

2024-03-24 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On 24/03/2024 12:44, Gaealn Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mar 24, 2024, at 12:21 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> hmm... the "Optionally" removes any obligation, but does mean that if >> there are any documents the Archivist deems worthy of archival (even >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: one from the archives

2024-03-24 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 24, 2024, at 12:21 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 24/03/2024 09:16, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:> * > Optionally, any other documents the Archivist deems worthy >> of archival. > > hmm... the "Optionally" removes any obligation,

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: one from the archives

2024-03-24 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On 24/03/2024 09:16, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:> * Optionally, any other documents the Archivist deems worthy > of archival. hmm... the "Optionally" removes any obligation, but does mean that if there are any documents the Archivist deems worthy of archival (even non-Agoran

DIS: Re: BUS: Testing Agora of Empires @Everyone

2024-03-23 Thread Sarah S. via agora-discussion
On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 5:22 AM ais523 via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, 2024-03-24 at 05:08 +1100, Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: > > I amend the Empireworld by announcement (progressing the narrative in > > a > > 'reasonable fashion' so it reads the

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4073 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2024-03-19 Thread Aris via agora-discussion
Gratuitous: Game action isn't a defined term; the only rule to use it is rule 101. Whether something is a game action doesn't matter for any practical purpose. Even in this case, which involved a claim made under penalty of faking, the actual truthfulness of the statement is irrelevant, in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Reconsidering 4069

2024-03-17 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
Ah. Then yes, I'd definitely refile the case. On Sun, Mar 17, 2024, 10:38 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 3/18/24 01:14, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 3/17/24 22:14, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > >> What evidence do you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Reconsidering 4069

2024-03-17 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/18/24 01:14, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 3/17/24 22:14, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: >> What evidence do you have that rule numbers and Id numbers are the same? >> Because arguing that this case is false has definitive disastrous effects, >> so is there another way to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Reconsidering 4069

2024-03-17 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/17/24 22:14, 4st nomic via agora-discussion wrote: > What evidence do you have that rule numbers and Id numbers are the same? > Because arguing that this case is false has definitive disastrous effects, > so is there another way to judge this case outside of those two options? The earliest

DIS: Re: BUS: Reconsidering 4069

2024-03-17 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
What evidence do you have that rule numbers and Id numbers are the same? Because arguing that this case is false has definitive disastrous effects, so is there another way to judge this case outside of those two options? On Sun, Mar 17, 2024, 6:52 PM Aris via agora-business <

DIS: Re: BUS: Registering :3

2024-03-17 Thread Jackrabbit via agora-discussion
Jackrabbit. On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 5:52 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 3/17/24 19:25, Jackrabbit via agora-business wrote: > > I register, grant myself a welcome package, and envision my dream as > wealth. > > > Welcome! Under what name do you wish

DIS: Re: BUS: Rulekeeping is hard, turns out

2024-03-17 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: ... Okay, so it turns out I can't read and "denial" isn't by announcement (I could have sworn it was at some point, but I can't find that). So the above probably did not discharge my duty. Rule 2201 (Self-Ratification), in part (according to the latest SLR, modulo all existential

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] FUNgibility

2024-03-17 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 3/17/24 15:08, nix via agora-business wrote: > [Right now, sentences like "Blank are an asset ownable by..." is > interpreted to adding to a default within R2576. This seems unintuitive. > This proposal makes that default only apply if there's no mention of > ownership.] That doesn't belong

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ah what the hell (Registrar, Dream Keeper)

2024-03-17 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 17, 2024, at 12:45 PM, Sarah S. via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:42 PM Sarah S. via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> I register, claim a welcome package, and dream of Wealth >> > > Sorry, this is R. Lee > > -- > R. Lee

DIS: Re: BUS: Ah what the hell (Registrar, Dream Keeper)

2024-03-17 Thread Sarah S. via agora-discussion
On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:42 PM Sarah S. via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I register, claim a welcome package, and dream of Wealth > Sorry, this is R. Lee -- R. Lee

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 4072 Judged TRUE

2024-03-16 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 3/16/24 14:58, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > One quick thought to add: I suspect one or two people will want to > reconsider this. If they do, I strongly suggest they come up with > compelling arguments for why this was missed by every CFJ on Rule 105, > every Promotor, and every player in

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 4072 Judged TRUE

2024-03-16 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 3/16/24 14:55, nix via agora-business wrote: > Given that agoran tradition has suggested that this formulation works > for at least 4 years and perhaps more than a decade, that no previous > CFJ has raised any concerns about this (despite many CFJs scrutinizing > Rules 105 and 106), and that

DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] Judgment Reminder @Kate @Janet @Murphy @Gaelan

2024-03-16 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
typo: 4059 is assigned to murphy, 4069 is assigned to me On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 10:45 AM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > The Arbitor's office kindly asks the following judges to either assign a > judgment, recuse, or file for extension for the corresponding

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9070-9072

2024-03-11 Thread Kiako via agora-discussion
On 3/11/2024 12:16 AM, Kiako via agora-business wrote: Perhaps this would be better in a world where the effects of dreams are more heavily impacted by the dreamers dreaming them. (I might toy with this idea actually, this sounds interesting...) Had a bit of fun drafting this. Don't know if

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Dreamkeeper, @absurdor) in need

2024-03-11 Thread juan via agora-discussion
juan via agora-business [2024-03-11 12:45]: > secretsnail9 via agora-business [2024-03-10 19:50]: > > I push the boulder. > > You'd just done it. Aw, UTC. -- juan

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 9070-9072

2024-03-11 Thread Agora amdw42 via agora-discussion
I vote as follows and have updated the spreadsheet. Please let me know if I have incorrectly edited said spreadsheet. I give permission for, as long as my votes remain the same and unaffected by the motion, for my row in the spreadsheet to be moved. > 9070~ Yachay 1.0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] New Arbitor in Town @kiako @Kate @Yachay @ais523 @Janet @Murphy

2024-03-10 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
snail wrote: On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 6:03 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 3/10/24 19:01, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:45 PM ais523 via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On Sun,

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector) So welcome

2024-03-10 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 3/9/24 18:51, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > I grant myself a welcome package. > > I don't think i've gotten one yet. > > CFJ: snail was granted a stamp in this message. > > arguments for TRUE: > When i registered, i was granted some assets that did not include a > stamp of my own

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] New Arbitor in Town @kiako @Kate @Yachay @ais523 @Janet @Murphy

2024-03-10 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 6:03 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 3/10/24 19:01, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:45 PM ais523 via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > >> On Sun,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] New Arbitor in Town @kiako @Kate @Yachay @ais523 @Janet @Murphy

2024-03-10 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 18:01 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > from Rule 2481 (Festival Restrictions) Power 3.1: > > { >  While Agora's Festivity is nonzero, the following apply: > ... > >   2. Quorum for Agoran Decisions is equal to half the number of > Festive

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] New Arbitor in Town @kiako @Kate @Yachay @ais523 @Janet @Murphy

2024-03-10 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/10/24 19:01, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:45 PM ais523 via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 15:38 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> If so, and if Kate indeed gained five

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] New Arbitor in Town @kiako @Kate @Yachay @ais523 @Janet @Murphy

2024-03-10 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:45 PM ais523 via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 15:38 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion > wrote: > > If so, and if Kate indeed gained five Ribbons on 2023-08-31, and no > > one else gained as many, then: > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] New Arbitor in Town @kiako @Kate @Yachay @ais523 @Janet @Murphy

2024-03-10 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 15:38 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > If so, and if Kate indeed gained five Ribbons on 2023-08-31, and no > one else gained as many, then: >    * Only Kate's vote counted on any proposal resolved after 230. >    * Only Kate's support counted on any tabled

DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] New Arbitor in Town @kiako @Kate @Yachay @ais523 @Janet @Murphy

2024-03-10 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: I assign CFJ 4059 to Murphy. https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg45651.html ("As a result of the 2023 Agoran't Birthday Tournament, Murphy won the game.") Draft judgement: Without performing an exhaustive analysis of the Agoran't archives, I'm assuming

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

2024-03-10 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-03-10 at 12:46 -0700, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Aris wrote: > > > Erm... that CFJ doesn't do what you want it to. CFJs are supposed to be > > statements, not questions, and interpreting something out of context is > > different from interpreting it in context. > >

DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

2024-03-10 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Aris wrote: Erm... that CFJ doesn't do what you want it to. CFJs are supposed to be statements, not questions, and interpreting something out of context is different from interpreting it in context. At one point we did legislate that, for CFJs asking yes/no questions, a judgement of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: ѕёѦѤ ѦѯќѤѦі (ѯѴњѩћѰ ђѨѯ ѕёѪѐ ѥѰ)

2024-03-10 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: On 3/4/24 13:19, Goren Barak via agora-business wrote: ѣѧѤѴ ѩќѹѩ, Ѳ ћѧђѤѺ ѝѦђёѹѰ њѲ ѨѐѩєѰ ѓ ·њѧѯ ѯ ·ќѹѧѯ ё ѳњѡѧђё, ѮѲё "Ѳ ѳњѡѧђё ё ѝѦђёѹѰ њѲ ѨѐѩєѰ" ќѫћњѲ ѩќѹѩ Transliterated from the Shavian alphabet to standard English: { Hello Agora, I declare victory by apathy for Ben and

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