Re: DIS: Looking for coauthors

2023-03-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 5:18 AM Juan F. Meleiro via agora-discussion wrote: > > I see. But in that case, isn't the rule authorizing that effect the > lower-powered one? Because if not, a low-powered rule could define terms used > in higher-powered ones to mean whatever it wants. > > For example,

Re: DIS: (Proposal) Make Blot creation retroactive?

2023-03-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 2:10 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > Couldn't past wins be outright ruled somehow to not exist anymore if > they're found to be in violation of something concerning it? There's a couple separate issues - one part is just saying "that win didn't count as

Re: DIS: (Proposal) Make Blot creation retroactive?

2023-03-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
fter the week, that's that and, if the investigation is favorable, you get > the actual win and the rest of things trigger. > > On Thursday, March 16, 2023, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 2:10 PM

Re: DIS: Proposal Practice - Chicken Dinner

2023-03-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Oh nice! I played with v.1 of the beacon a couple years ago, I like the fact that you can specify a future timestamp and wait for the roll to happen (assuming that’s how the beta version works). On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 8:47 AM juan via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: >

DIS: Re: BUS: (@ADoP) impeachment!

2023-03-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 10:33 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > I intend to, with 2 agoran consent, impeach the referee. (I should be > properly elected.) Also, some context from Discord (since context-free support for impeachment may seem unfair): > > 4st — Today at 9:20 AM > Hmm tho

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor/Proposal) What does this button do?

2023-03-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 7:48 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > man. 20. mar. 2023 kl. 15:44 skrev ais523 via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>: > > > On Mon, 2023-03-20 at 15:18 -0700, Forest Sweeney via agora-business > wrote: >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Trade offer ad - Stamps for Stamps

2023-03-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 5:45 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > That's pretty fascinating. > > Are there any other notable "unwritten rules"? Precedents or other thing > that are, in practice, as strong as actual explicit ruletext? There should be nothing "as strong as actual rul

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Trade offer ad - Stamps for Stamps

2023-03-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 5:45 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 3/23/23 00:12, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On another note, I don't find anything in the rules that allows us to add > > > conditions to the performance of actions, unless I'm missing somethi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Sacrilege

2023-03-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 11:25 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion: > I withdraw this CFJ. > I respond to the CoE instead by accepting the error, > and letting all declared ritual numbers that had this as dependency fail. You may know this, but "accepting the error" does nothing as it is not act

Re: DIS: Re: [Herald, CFJ] Re: BUS: [??Ritual Master??] Fond Memories of what once was.

2023-03-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 1:54 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion: > > > Secondly, is a repeated action the same as a conditional action? > > They function under roughly the same rules per precedent. Except - now that we've rule-codified conditionals, we have to ask "does this fall under the new rul

Re: DIS: 2023 Tech Survey

2023-03-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 9:12 AM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > Basic Access > > > 1. What email client(s) do you use to access Agora? Currently (just recently) forced into gmail web or phone app, by updates to my institution's policy; Tbird for years has been preferred/still prefer

DIS: Re: BUS: Fixing CoEs for Radiance

2023-03-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 6:10 AM juan via agora-business wrote: > Append to Rule 2201 Self-Ratification the following text: > > "4. Retract the document, making it so as if it were never published." I'm pretty sure this leads directly to Paradox (if the document was never published

DIS: stamps and radiance - discussion

2023-04-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
So, by my count there's 3 people who could win via radiance pretty much at any time due to stamps. I sure don't begrudge the wins at all, but it's extremely demotivtating to bother to get radiance, to know it could be reset at any time on a whim. Really gives a "no point in trying" feeling to rad

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)

2023-04-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 12:57 PM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > - Wooden Gavel, awardable by the Arbitor to the judge of a CFJ > or series of CFJs with a strong and foundational impact on the > judicial precedents of Agora (additional information: ID > Numbe

DIS: Awards Month (@Arbitor)

2023-04-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 10:27 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 4:29 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 12:57 PM nix via agora-discussion > > wrote

DIS: Awards Month (@Promotor)

2023-04-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 3:03 PM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > Oh also, everyone else should feel welcome to submit suggestions. > > On 4/3/23 14:56, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > - Silver Quill, awardable by the Promotor to the author of a > > proposal of outstanding meri

DIS: Re: [CotC] CFJ 4019 Judged FALSE by Janet

2023-04-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> Motion to extend filed: 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 > Judged FALSE by Janet:01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 heh forgot to fill these in, defaulted to 0. Fixed in the archive as: > History: > > Called by Juan: 27 Mar 2023 18:2

Re: DIS: (@Arbitor) I can has be judge

2023-04-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 11:36 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > Hm, I thought I already asked this, but I'd like to become "interested" as > a judge. > (must be my bad, since now I can't find it!) You were added when you asked, just haven't rotated to the top yet, from the Gazette:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8946-8951

2023-04-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 12:36 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > Wow, ok. Just tried to be cheeky and make a fun little action. Note that > > I also want forgiveness on a missed deadline. Just seemed fair. > > > Sorry, no rebuke implied. And I admittedly didn't check whether you had > ea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rules as Items V4

2023-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:41 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > I think it is good to reward proposals. Proposals are the primary gameplay > of ANY nomic, so I don't have any trouble with rewards. But I do see what > you mean about how it is imbalanced: you could work hard on a proposa

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 11:47 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Is the timestamp of the mailing list itself the one that appears on the > archive website? Yes for private archives, though with a UTC conversion. There's been some tension on this over Agora's history. The timestam

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 11:59 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > How bad would it be to send several emails in a short period of time with > the hope that one of them has the best timing? I think it's logical to try, but if it's a necessary strategy it points to problem with the ga

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 12:12 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 13:54 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > Your client itself will normally display the timestamp attached by the > > sending machine. This is usually assumed to be honest, but could > > actually be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rock, paper, etc

2023-04-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 7:16 AM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 4/12/23 09:14, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > Seeing this game play out, I think it would be possible to simplify the > > Tournament rules greatly by just making win-granting a power that certain > > Contracts c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rock, paper, etc

2023-04-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Putting together a repeal proposal for regs rn. Fair warning: I agree with the "daunting" feeling, but the rules text for tournaments as contracts is no shorter than tournaments as regulations (based on looking at a previous version), in fact to me it's a bit more complex because contracts have t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Tournament Submission

2023-04-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 10:52 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > What are generally the unwritten behaviour rules on Tournaments like these? > - Can I collude with other players in private? > - Can I participate without the intent to win, and instead just behave > according to how I'

Re: DIS: [Draft] Golems v1.0

2023-04-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 1:08 PM juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > --- DRAFT --- > Title: The World's Enchantment > Author: juan > A.I.: 2.5 > > Enact a rule called Golems with Power 2.5 and text > > { > The Xaman is an Office. > > Clay is a currency tracked by the Xaman. > > Golems are entities

Re: DIS: [Draft] Golems v1.0

2023-04-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 1:08 PM juan via agora-discussion wrote: > When the conditions specified by the Golem's Mind are met, the Golem is > activated. When a Golem is activated, it performs the actions in its > Scroll on behalf of its creator. Only persons can perform actions on behalf of other

DIS: Re: (@Herald) [Petition] BUS: A thesis: thoughts on Radiance

2023-04-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 5:02 PM ais523 via agora-business wrote: > In conclusion: the way the reset from a radiance win works has > something of a design conflict with the way that radiance is actually > rewarded. Get rid of the reset, and suddenly that conflict is gone, and > many mechanics that

DIS: Re: BUS: Ratification without Objection intent - Continuity of the game since 1993

2023-04-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 3:34 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > > Rule 1727 is also not explicit that Agora is in fact the > same nomic that "rose like a phoenix from the ashes of Nomic World". > This has come up as a philosophical chat around here from time to time (I don't think the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ratification without Objection intent - Continuity of the game since 1993

2023-04-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 9:41 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > Hm. Well, then, obviously, we need to implement some rules to prevent this > situation from ever happening again, and then make Agora permanently > unossifieable, so that if this question ever came up again, or if agora D

DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Convening the Thesis Review Board

2023-04-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 12:52 PM juan via agora-business wrote: > > ABSTRACT: based on the considerably well-crafted analysis and extensive > historical research, useful and insightful crafting of concepts, but an > unfortunate lack of indexing references, I ask the author to REVIEW & > RESUBMIT t

DIS: Re: [Arbitor] Investigation of 4st (Re: OFF: [Referee] Active Player Tax)

2023-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 2:04 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > This violation has a (default) class of 2. The fact that the > defendant revealed the situation right away is somewhat mitigating, > while using the guise of an official position is somewhat aggravating. > Balancing these, I conclude this inves

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Silver Quill Intent

2023-04-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 4:07 PM secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > > I respond to all petitions made to me with "Wow look at this cool Awards > Month intent": > > It's hard to pick a single proposal from the last year: feedback from > everyone would be appreciated, if I missed something big!

DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)

2023-04-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 3:47 PM Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > > I intend to award Employee of the Year to either Janet or snail, > subject to discussion. Even if your "I intend with 2 Agoran consent everything I announced in the past 6 hours" works, I'm unsure how to think about the a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
While I was supportive of the delegation idea on discord, I’m coming around to Yachay’s position. I’ve “taken breaks” from arbitor regularly - snail and Jason both did the job for a bit last year - but when it was technically resigning without the expectation of getting the job back I think it fel

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 12:37 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/1/23 14:36, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > Ideally, I think, everything is doable with automation. In practice tho, > > I'm not sure what that looks like. > > Crucial typo. I think ideall

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Election updates

2023-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 2:09 PM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/23/23 18:45, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: > > I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Assessor > > election. > > * The Vote Collector is the ADoP. > > * The valid o

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] 8639 rerun

2023-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:38 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > [Proposal 8639 > failed to make this change because it used "amend" for a power change. If everyone involved including you knew what it meant at the time so as to miss the “error” entirely, how

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] 8639 rerun [CFJ]

2023-05-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 9:17 AM Aspen via agora-business wrote: > > On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 9:01 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 5/2/23 01:01, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:38 PM Janet Cobb via agor

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:28 AM nix via agora-business wrote: > If an officer specified a Delegate when taking a Vacation, and the > Delegate has publicly consented, then the Delegate can act as if e > is the holder of the Office while the officer is On Vacation. I'm still against thi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)

2023-05-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 9:28 AM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 4/30/23 17:47, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > > I intend to award Employee of the Year to either Janet or snail, > > subject to discussion. > I'm not convinced this works as an official intent (I'm not even sure if >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Review Board for 4st's Thesis @Yachay @G. @Janet

2023-05-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 9:44 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > In response: > I had written this thesis with exactly as you say also in mind. We take > conclusions to their logical extremes without first testing and confirming > via CFJ or otherwise if the Truth that we'd found ACTUAL

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Active Player Tax

2023-05-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 12:57 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > It's fine, I'm kind of curious myself too. > > On Thursday, May 4, 2023, Forest Sweeney via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 2:51 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-bus

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Fwd: [Arbitor] CFJ 4023 Assigned to 4st

2023-05-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 11:43 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > If I were to interpret the ruleset as strictly as I would like to, I > believe that no rule change whatsoever has happened since the clause "Any > ambiguity in the specification of a rule change causes that change to

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Fwd: [Arbitor] CFJ 4023 Assigned to 4st

2023-05-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
One other thing that's totally unspoken in the rules but exists in the common-law of CFJs is that it's acceptable to find "to the preponderance of evidence" for factual questions. This used to be codified - but we repealed that codification for whatever reason. But it was still established enough

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 5:00 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > > - It takes agency away from newer players and puts more into older ones > which are more familiar with this obscure ancient arcana which has now > supposedly been made relevant, which feels terrible. > Just on this not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 8:03 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Having such an unwieldy amount of arcana puts a lot of power in being able > to give out 'hedonistic' Judgements; ones that are heavily based on "well > this is best for the game"/"this makes it playable"/etc, especiall

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4028 Assigned to G., Judged FALSE

2023-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 8:59 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > I'd like to mention that I don't feel like you're exercising the "highest > reasonably possible standard of care" if your basis for if the crime has > been committed or not is that it doesn't match the arcana, unless

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4028 Assigned to G., Judged FALSE

2023-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
ion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Easy, you could state that you're basing yourself off mere conjecture and > that's the best you can do for now rather than using using language that > states your position as a matter of fact. > > On Friday, May 12, 2023, Kerim Aydin via agora-

DIS: Re: (@Arbitor) BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4026 Assigned to ais523

2023-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 4:34 PM ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > Amend R478 by deleting the following text: > > > > Freedom of speech being essential for the healthy functioning of > > any non-Imperial nomic, it is hereby resolved that no Player shall > > be prohibited

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8972-8979

2023-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 10:17 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > Also why is radiance at power 1.5 in the first place? > Was a minor design choice: because (in drafting points) I thought the win condition itself (100+ points) should be a trifle more protected than the award conditions.

Re: DIS: [proto] Judicial overhaul

2023-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 2:59 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > A proto to revive the criminal court, revive the appellate court (but > only for criminal cases), and fix investigators' obligations with > respect to alleged infractions: So, for a full criminal trial resulting in Blots, i

Re: DIS: [proto] Judicial overhaul

2023-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 3:10 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > Hm. If we're trying to go the other way and make it as quick as possible, > we could have the Arbitor's weekly report include a randomly selected > "Dredd" Judge for that week (with some Dredds on the bench if the cur

Re: DIS: [proto] Judicial overhaul

2023-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 12:46 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/14/23 15:40, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 3:10 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion > > wrote: > >> Hm. If we're trying to go the other way

Re: DIS: Re: (@Collector, Herald) BUS: The Never-Ending Dance

2023-05-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 4:34 PM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/17/23 18:27, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > The intent only exists if it worked...? > > True. But still, even if it succeeded, I would not personally support a > badge. > I'm not sure conditional announcement

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-05-17 23:21]: > > On 5/17/23 20:13, nix via agora-business wrote: > > > On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote: > > >> I would like to register for the nomic game Ago

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:09 AM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/18/23 13:06, beokirby agora via agora-business wrote: > > I intend to register as a player of Agora. > > My name is beokirby. > > > > I will then grant myself a welcome package and envision a dream of gardens > Welcome beoki

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
hanic and it doesn't mean what it reads on the > tin. > > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 8:22 PM ais523 via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 11:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > hehe we ca

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Collector, Dream keeper) Intent to Register to Agora

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:22 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 11:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > hehe we can still fool old players sometimes - "intend" has a > > "specific meaning" for registra

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Rulekeepor) Clean rule 2675

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
There's actually two criteria to think about here. One is the criteria for intent announcements (R1728). but the other is the criteria for rule change specifications in R105, specifically: > A rule change is wholly prevented from taking effect unless its > full text was published, along

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > > that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:29 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > Or perhaps this is just a case of "the ais523 who has been following > Agora for over 15 years spots things that the ais523 who had been there > for only one year didn't". Lol, I meant to add myself that the rules underlying may

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:51 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > > Let's give everyone a more equal chance to be relevant. > > So right now, Officers' only reward is increased voting strength (I believe), and the game is growing with lots of new players so officers' work is getting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I believe that your > Officer salary problem is part of a larger problem of Agora overall needing > a proper economy again, not a voting strength problem. So offer t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:43 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > I don't intend to design an economy, because I don't think I'm competent > enough to do so. I'll try to contribute where I can, though. > Ah, the typical take-away power with a promise, but an unfulfilled one. No wo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- > > discussion wrote: > > > With radiance and Stamps

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- > > discussion wrote: > > > With radiance and Stamps

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8972-8979

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 10:41 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/19/23 12:26, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote > >> 8978* Janet 3.0 Authorized initiation > > FOR, although it doesn't actually solve the issue that brought this > > up, as it doesn't ratify a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:47 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > So, only someone who already is in power and a beneficiary of the system > should be entitled to propose change things? Er, I never said you couldn't propose. I was giving you feedback on how I felt about voting for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:40 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > I'd argue that I fit criteria 4 of Rule 2519 ("Consent"): > "4. it is reasonably clear from context that e wanted the action to > take place or assented to it taking place." There's quite a few precedents in dif

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) Consent

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:49 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:46 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 5/19/23 16:40, Forest Sweeney wrote: > > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:31 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discus

Re: DIS: Proto - Labor Tokens

2023-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
I like the overall idea! Some comments: On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 4:24 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > Labor Tokens are a fixed asset, tracked by the (ADoP?). I could see either fixed or liquid working here, though on first read I agree with you on fixed, as it limits how trans

Re: Very Proto Economy (Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization_

2023-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:07 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > - I like the Focuses idea. > - I think you'd really just want to use your Stamps to win rather than > anything else. Maybe instead you can only Focus on something if you have > the right Stamp or combination of Stamps

Re: DIS: Proto - Labor Tokens

2023-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Here's a go at incorporating all these thoughts: = Proto: Human Resources v0.02 AI: 2 Retitle Rule 2632 (Complexity) to "Office Worth". Amend Rule 2632 to read in full: Complexity is a natural office switch reflecting how complex it is to fulfill

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 10:35 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > I Judge TRUE, forced to play my last card and merely appeal to my personal > opinion. I think this is just fine, and a nice overall first judgement and discussion of the issues. When we were discussing this on Discord,

Re: DIS: (Proto) Raybots

2023-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 1:01 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sat, 2023-05-20 at 23:43 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > Actually, in general persons ceasing to exist is likely to cause > > problems, and the current ruleset is careful to avoid it (R869/51's "is > > or e

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4029 Assigned to Murphy

2023-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> Rule 106 (Adopting Proposals, Power=3) states that adopted proposals > "take effect", and: > >Except insofar as the actions performed by a proposal happen one >after another, rather than simultaneously, a proposal's effect is >instantaneous. A proposal can neither delay no

DIS: Re: OFF: [@all] Confirming birthdays

2023-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 12:10 PM juan via agora-official wrote: > 2009-05-04 G. Goethe is my former nickname so it's actually 2001-02-04 for me: > v Goethe 2001-02-04 2003-03-24 Thanks much for checking. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 12:44 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > Yes, but wouldn't certain CfJs be likely to enter into Moot Tennis if we > don't take the opinion of the majority as a tiebreaker as Judges? We can > keep going back and forth with Moots, because 2+N Support seems fa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ 4030 Judged TRUE by Yachay

2023-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 1:14 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > Actually, I was asked by ais523 to add to a CfJ a clarification on > something, a 'sub-Judgement' of a sort. > > Would've it been possible for me to, for example, Judge TRUE, but also add > a sub-Judgement that from he

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@blob) Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly report

2023-05-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 6:43 AM juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > nix via agora-discussion [2023-05-24 18:19]: > > On 5/24/23 18:17, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > >> If emails are different and there is no note mentioning they > > >> are the same person, they are not. > > > Oh also this i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Herald) Keeping up with the Agorans

2023-05-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 8:02 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > It's legal, it's just generally bad form. In this case, I'm not even sure it's bad form. Since radiance can only be danced up to the highest player's score, it adds an almost Winsome-like dynamic, where if someone gets ahead

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Arbitor) CFJ - About Rice

2023-05-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 12:17 PM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > > I'm kind of surprised that this kind of CfJ hasn't been raised yet. > > I CfJ: "There are some persons right now who have more than 0 Rice" To avoid an INSUFFICIENT judgement, can you add some context or reasons you b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@blob) Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly report

2023-05-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 11:33 AM juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion [2023-05-25 07:11]: > > The currently guiding precedent is in CFJ 1361: "a nickname is a name > > that a Player chooses for emself, that can be reliably used to pick em &g

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4032 Assigned to 4st

2023-05-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 11:01 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > Now, it is sufficient to determine whether "that Rice Plan having that > > player's Signature" is an action or not. I'd say that it is a regulated > > action, fitting all three criteria for regulated actions: the rules hav

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4032 Assigned to 4st

2023-05-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 11:18 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/26/23 14:14, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 11:01 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion > > wrote: > >>> Now, it is sufficient to determine wheth

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) heheheheheheh

2023-05-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 2:34 AM Aspen via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 3:52 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-business > wrote: > > > > I withdraw my consent from all rice plans. > > If the Reimann hypothesis is true, I consent to all rice plans that will > > not be harvested. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) heheheheheheh

2023-05-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 2:34 AM Aspen via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 3:52 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-business > wrote: > > > > I withdraw my consent from all rice plans. > > If the Reimann hypothesis is true, I consent to all rice plans that will > > not be harvested. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) heheheheheheh

2023-05-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 8:13 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > That said, a > new rule that has a "new" sort of toy - like Rice Plans - is a good > potential target, but I'm pretty sure this attempt missed the mark. Followup: Importantly, just recently, in CFJ 4013, I judged that "consent" as a general c

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Ricemastor) heheheheheheh

2023-05-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 10:46 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 10:46 AM Forest Sweeney > wrote: > > > I withdraw my consent from all rice plans. > > What rules mechanism enabled you to do this? -G.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4032 Assigned to 4st

2023-05-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 10:40 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > Thus, we reach that third interpretation: we are consenting to that rice > plan obtaining or not obtaining your signature. You consent to the change, > the action that occurs, or you reaffirm consent that inaction is > acc

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [CFJ](@Stonemason, @Herald, @Arbitor) Reaching, Radiance, and Recursion

2023-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 12:10 PM secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > > > > > On Jun 1, 2023, at 4:17 PM, secretsnail9 wrote: > > > >  > > I wield the radiance stone. (This increases my radiance by 3.) > > I reach for the Minty stone. > > I wield the recursion stone as the soul stone, specify

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4034 Assigned to ais523

2023-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 5:04 PM ais523 via agora-business wrote: > It's also worth noting that G. explicitly stated in eir message that e > consented to the Rice Plan – the subsequent withdrawal was sent in the > same message. Although Agora assumes that multiple actions listed in > the same messag

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 4034 Assigned to ais523

2023-06-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 5:54 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, 2023-06-04 at 17:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 5:04 PM ais523 via agora-business > > wrote: > > > It's also worth noting that G. explici

DIS: (@ais523) Re: (@Assessor) BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Propositions 8990-9001

2023-06-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 8:53 AM ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > 9001~ snail 2.0 More Bright Abilities > On this decision, I vote with a conditional vote: FOR if proposal 9000 > was adopted, otherwise AGAINST. I don't think this conditional works as written - ADOPTED is de

DIS: Re: OFF: [Ricemastor/Herald] (@Tailor/@Herald/@Prime Ministor) The Cursed Deputy Report

2023-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 3:08 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-official wrote: > RICE HOLDINGS > == > PlayerRice > --- > 4st 2 (+1) Not needing a CoE because it's already been CoE'd, but there's no wa

DIS: Re: OFF: [Ricemastor/Herald] (@Tailor/@Herald/@Prime Ministor) The Cursed Deputy Report

2023-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 3:08 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-official wrote: > Created: 2023-05-22 by juan > Up: {Aspen, G., Janet, Murphy, ais523, cuddlybanana, juan} > Down: {4st, beokirby, blob, iWright, nix, snail, Yachay} > Signatures: ais523, juan, (G, if G hasn't withdrawn eir signature), Janet,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

2023-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 4:07 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 4:01 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 6:38 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > Agoran Court Gazette (Arbitor's Weekly Report) > > > Sun 04 Jun 2023 > > > > > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

2023-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 4:21 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > Oooh, ok, I didn't read the rules, my bad. I also just forgot the case had > been reopened by "I support and I do so" Sorry, I usually try to remind people more explicitly, but also just plain old forgot until you did t

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