[AsburyPark] Asbury Blues .....

2011-08-10 Thread cbrianwatkins
Anyone know the doors are closed? Saw a makeshift sign in the door saying Temporarily Closed I hope it opens back up, I really liked that place Also, over the weekend I took some house guests from Vegas to Andy Ivans? ( Ivans Andys?) Eitherway, food sucked, in fact it was one of the worst

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread fancypaaantz
I believe, for the most part, everyone is concerned about young people, violence, guns, poverty, etc. But when you live in a place for long enough and read these stories over and over again, it is just natural to get a little weary of it. I think most people, where ever they live, just want to

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread fancypaaantz
And FYI- this sentiment is something I have discussed at length with a bunch of people in the same boat- of varying ethnic and racial backgrounds. Many of whom started businesses here or bought houses here and now have had children and varying other life changes. If people cannot see themselves

[AsburyPark] Money. It's all about money.

2011-08-10 Thread oakdorf
Be nice to see someone do an in-depth analysis of available public records of how much money via grant monies for various projects went into asbury. 5, 10 , 15 years. Include all the non-profits that received grants. Include all the special improvement grants, low interest loans, donations,

[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Blues .....

2011-08-10 Thread Hinge
The owner didn't pay his rent, and then lied about it on Facebook. Claimed it was code issues. He knew he was in trouble and didn't say a word to his employees and the loyal patrons of the club. He bought a crappy PA system from guitar center with a bad check. The bottom line in this case is the

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Blues .....

2011-08-10 Thread shuvee
Heard another tenant is ready to move into that space. Does anyone know what type of business it will be? Jean Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:23:55 To:

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Blues .....

2011-08-10 Thread shuvee
Heard another tenant is ready to move into that space. Does anyone know what type of business it will be? Jean Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:23:55 To:

[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Blues .....

2011-08-10 Thread oakdorf
curious - were there any UEZ or other state/city grants or funding that went into this. What a pain in the ass. have to update the website now. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, shuvee@... wrote: Heard another tenant is ready to move into that space. Does anyone know what type of business

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Blues .....

2011-08-10 Thread cbrianwatkins
That's typical..I ran a consulting business for years in NJ/Philly/NYC I can't begin to tell how many clients we walked out on because they thought they knew it all, only to close their doors months later Funny you mentioned the lighting, that was the 2nd red flag I pointed out when I

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady jim@... wrote: Two young men shot in the streets and the conversation vacillates between Vespas, dogs and firearms. Seemingly no concern for the well-being of the young men, concern if their families need anything, etc. Why? Because the

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread Hinge
I find the statement But for many on this list, again, the assumption is that it's just another young n-gg-r shot in the ghetto. to be incredibly offensive. I don't assume anything, and reading back thru the thread I'm not seeing anybody else doing so either. If anything, we are pretty much fed

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread Vinnie
Jim - sounds like you're projecting a bit here, but to make that assumption would make me look as bad as this rant reflects on you. Why not channel that frustration into something a little more productive than a drive-by beating of a couple of people on an internet message board seen by a

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread fancypaaantz
Jack, I think what he is saying is, since our conversation was about Vespas, firearms and self-protection rather than expressing the requisite amount of outrage for the fact that two young people were shot, we are basically racists and heartless. My point is that most people on this group have

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread Hinge
I know exactly what he's saying, and for all the good he does in the world concerning things like Nike and their abuses, my personal opinion of him just took a nose dive. Jim projects his own assumption by accusing others of the same. If you are following this thread Jim, do me a favor - before

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread cbrianwatkins
Kidsofftheblock.bbnow.org I have sent this to every city official and every church in AP since 2009 Not a single response from anyone If I had the financial resources, I wouldn't need anyone to contact, I can only open my door to so many kids in AP (4 since I bought my house) I wish I could

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread 2fast4u
...And if it wasn't for the Blacks, they'rd be NO Billions for those in charge to eff up, okay? Like Jim says, nobody on this board cares, JUST because they're Black! How about some JOBS? I've notice for at least 2 years that CERTAIN people's kids get jobs, while those that LIVE here get the

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread Hinge
Sharon - You also lost my respect thanks to this comment Like Jim says, nobody on this board cares, JUST because they're Black! The fact of the matter is, nobody brought up race when I original posted the story. Then Jim came along and made a horrible, baseless comment, and now you just added

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread cbrianwatkins
I don't care? Really? You seem to make EVERYTHING into a black and white issue on here, when I rarely see anyone else mention cultural backgrounds (including this discussion until Mr Keady chimed in) Whatever, maybe I should just close my homes doors to kids in need since I don't care, maybe

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread 2fast4u
If I ever had it, thanks for nothing. Well, unless it's about YOU, everything else is irrelevant! With you, at first it was about library park and the lightlessness and what you described as criminal activities occurring there. #1, I'd never ALLOW myself to live in such an atmosphere and in

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread fancypaaantz
If you've moved here thinking that it's all Wonder Bar, boardwalk and Stone Pony, you've moved to the wrong place! Getting away from the race issue for a second... This is a gentrifying community. There have been a ton or condos flooded onto the market in the past however many years. Why do

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread 2fast4u
...and everything YOU post is why isn't AP not more like NYC? Didn't ask if you cared or not which is obvious you don't. I'm Black and proud of it. I lived through segregation in the South and survived it only to find another kind of racism here. It's no different here than what I left! There

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread fancypaaantz
This is also a group to speak about Asbury Park, so with all due respect, I am not sure it is appropriate to discuss white collar criminals generally unless they have something specifically to do with Asbury Park. I do recall many threads here about the various companies involved here and the

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread Hinge
You are incredibly off base. I joined this group when I moved here 6 years ago to learn more about my community outside of what the media says about it. 1st thing I noticed was the horrible way Library Square was being treated, and I tried to do something about it, and I succeeded for awhile.

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread cbrianwatkins
I have never lived in NYC and NEVER compared NYC to AP Once again, you are confusing my posts with someone elses, just as you did a few weeks ago Yes I am white, I have grown up in black communities my whole life, Lakewood, New Brunswick and Newark, not fun for a scrawny white kid my bestman

[AsburyPark] Black Like Me

2011-08-10 Thread 2fast4u
Well, since I've offended just about everyone who posts here now, glad you let your true feelings show! I just happen to be Black through no fault of my own, am proud of the accomplishments of my people and you mention military, my father fought at Anzio, Italy on the ground, a Buffalo Soldier,

[AsburyPark] Re: Two more shootings last night

2011-08-10 Thread fancypaaantz
If it is the same Jim Keady- Facebook says Spring Lake. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jwkeady jim@ wrote: Two young men shot in the streets and the conversation vacillates between Vespas, dogs and firearms.

[AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me

2011-08-10 Thread Hinge
Again, nobody hinted, and nobody used certain phrases If you believe that's a fact, then the burden of proof is with you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: Well, since I've offended just about everyone who posts here now, glad you let your true feelings show!

[AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me

2011-08-10 Thread oakdorf
sharon you always have great input and you managed to raise good kids - with your husband from what you've shared with us through the years. So I want to share something with you as a whitey... I always tell people I grew up in AP. Why? Little kid we lived on wanammasa point rd, then we moved

[AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me

2011-08-10 Thread fancypaaantz
First of all, I am not sure you even know the racial backgrounds of the various posters in this group. I don't. Second, you don't know and are making assumptions about all of us. I was raised in the 70s by very socially liberal parents- very Free to Be You and Me, love everyone, don't judge.

[AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me

2011-08-10 Thread Mark D
I think you are projecting your anger at the wrong group of people. Reading through these posts show that you are the racist here. Why not work to fix the problem instead of spreading the hate. I turned your racist comments around so you can see what you said. in the 67 years I've lived as a

[AsburyPark] Money and Jobs.

2011-08-10 Thread oakdorf
Here's another thought on jobs in AP. And yes, I'll refer back to the programs that were and are funded with state, federal and charitable aid How many dollars were allocated to city your jobs? I rode my bike down the all the boardwalks this am. At least I saw kids in Bradley sweeping

[AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me

2011-08-10 Thread oakdorf
one more funny comment about this whole thing: (at least I think so) A couple weeks ago, my son went to PACE's orientation. The kids had to split up and my son signed up for World Cultures. His thoughts were that since he always reads the world news, it might be something interesting. So he

[AsburyPark] Charities

2011-08-10 Thread oakdorf
To often I have shown some properties in and around the AP area to various charities. I get pissed off at some of the wealthier ones that instead of looking to see how space will work for their cause, look to see where they will make their office - hjow big it can be, if it has a view etc

Asbury Park (was RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me)

2011-08-10 Thread Jenni
Hey, Oakdorf, I grew up on Unami... don't know your age, or even your name, but maybe we knew each other :) I went to Ocean, class of '88. On another note, I could care less about race as well. I grew up so close to the Asbury bridge, spent lots of time on and near the boardwalk growing up,

Re: Asbury Park (was RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me)

2011-08-10 Thread cbrianwatkins
Who was your friend with the great grandmother? Was her name Pam Linda or Colleen? Could be my grams She moved into AP in 1920 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jenni je...@lowcountrybunny.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011

RE: Asbury Park (was RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me)

2011-08-10 Thread Jenni
No, her name was Michele Lepore. I can't remember her grandmother's name now, but it was her paternal grandmother's mother. So this woman had a different last name. She lived on Sunset Ave, close to the Wanamassa bridge, on the south side of the street. I can't remember the exact house now,

Re: Asbury Park (was RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me)

2011-08-10 Thread cbrianwatkins
Awesome story none the less My grams (great grandmother) moved here in 1921, my grandmother left when she got married in 1944 but came back in '45 I believe and stayed until 1969 I've been trying to buy their old house for a while now, but the scumbag absentee landlord continues to rent it

Asbury Park (was RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me)

2011-08-10 Thread dfsavgny
you all took the bait from sharon. shame on you. Hinge, what did I tell you years ago about putting your fingers in ... I'll leave that out lest I be guilty of racist connotations. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:

[AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me

2011-08-10 Thread 2fast4u
If you're infering that I am a racist, please know what one is and since you say you are white, a racist is a person or group advocating superiority over another or all races. From wiki: 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or

[AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me

2011-08-10 Thread oakdorf
Best end the discussion, because somehow it got way out of hand. At least I might agree on what you said: this area is designated Abbott, UEZ, HUD and all of the other labels given by the government, billions of money comes to the foxes who mind the hen house. But you can't say that all the

Asbury Park (was RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Black Like Me)

2011-08-10 Thread Hinge
There is no shame in speaking up when people make broad racially tinged statements. I'd rather leave this group than abandon that principle. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: you all took the bait from sharon. shame on you. Hinge, what did I tell you years