A friend of mine who knows the guys at bel canto saw the unit a little
bit ago, he says it's very good, and the USB input is the best way to
get sound out of it. (no pesky jitter correction needed) I was going
to try and check out the unit while I was in town, but ran out of
time.
The big thing
The Cary 303/200 and 306/200 (both now discontinued) are cd players that
also have digital input and digital output.
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SuperQ Wrote:
A friend of mine who knows the guys at bel canto saw the unit a little
bit ago, he says it's very good, and the USB input is the best way to
get sound out of it. (no pesky jitter correction needed) I was going
to try and check out the unit while I was in town, but ran out of
Lyonesse wrote:
Im not knocking the SB3 in any way, I just want to find a way to
integrate it into my system better so as to kick back and chillout with
my new toy ;)
Have you tried using the SB3's analog outputs?
It won't cost anything to try this and you may find that they sound
better
For sound quality, how would you compare the SB3 running into a high end
DAC with a high end CD player?
I'm having a debate with someone who thinks you simply can't beat a top
quality CD player, no matter how good your DAC is.
I'm not an engineer, but I can't imagine why this would be the case,
Thanks Wombat, no more glitch removal shenanigans for me thats for
sure!. I was using a cheap trust card with digital coaxial out,
everything turned off in software except the spdif. i bought this
especially to enable listening through my Hi-Fi.
Hi Patrick Im taking a good long look at your
Lyonesse Wrote:
Hi Patrick Im taking a good long look at your website, I live in
Shropshire. :)I just delivered one to someone in Telford, and my parents
still live in
Shrewsbury. I've also lived in Church Stretton and Newport (Salop),
long ago in my youth ...
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Mike Anderson Wrote:
For sound quality, how would you compare the SB3 running into a high end
DAC with a high end CD player?
I'm having a debate with someone who thinks you simply can't beat a top
quality CD player, no matter how good your DAC is.
I'm not an engineer, but I can't
Hi, I am also looking at the DRA-395, I am currently using a Denon avr
w/ the optical to squeezebox v.2. Moving to an analog DRA-395 is a
concern,using only the analog. Should I worry or upgrade to another avr
with optical? Does this concern you?
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opaqueice Wrote:
If you were using the CD player as a digital transport (i.e. sending
its digital out into the same DAC as the SB) I think the SB will
probably win or tieThat's not my experience - good though the SB3 is, it just
isn't as good
as the best transports.
In theory, the SB
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Thanks Wombat, no more glitch removal shenanigans for me thats for
sure!. I was using a cheap trust card with digital coaxial out,
everything turned off in software except the spdif. i bought this
especially to enable listening through my Hi-Fi.
Jack.
Aha! Cheap Trust
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I'm with ezkcdude on this one...USB does not equal no jitter (usually it
equals problems!) and whilst a balanced system will generally exhibit
less noise (and better rejection of interference), in and of itself it
does not guarantee better sound quality.
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Until you try and turn them into sound, bits are indeed bits...and one
day someone will devise an experiment to prove this. There are many
reasons why an accurate rip to HD will give a reliably (ie repeatably)
accurate rendition of the right bits in the right order - and why even
the BEST CDP in
I tip my hat to Phil and his brave display of logic :)
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Wombat - that all makes sense, but IME 48k resampling = rubbish sound
when done cheaply (ie badly)...
I can't get my head round Lyonesse saying that he thinks the digital
out of the SB into a (good) DAC is sibilant/bright...it just isn't. If
anything its a bit warm...?
Others on this board have
just to add my bit to the thread..
I finally got to try my SB3 against my CD player (Arcam alpha 5+)in a
proper blind test with my blind audiophile friend.
He instantly chose the CD from SB3 but also declared the SB3 quite
acceptable for day to day listening. I played FLAC, 320kbps MP3 and 192
Phil Leigh Wrote:
The only people who don't accept that an accurate rip+HD will outperform
a high-end CDP as a digital transport are:
1) people who (currently) own high-end CDP's
2) hi-fi reviewers
3) buffoons who know nothing about how computers work.I use both my
Squeezebox 3 and my
Here is some information taken directly from the Stello website (for the
DA220 MkII):
Supports upto 24Bit/192kHz upsampling
- Sampling Rate Selectable: Bypass, 48kHz, 96kHz, 192kHz
- True 24Bit Delta-Sigma DAC
- Digital De-emphasis
- Phase Selection: 0, 180 Degree
- On-chip PLL eliminates
Though I own the Lavry, I like this little bit about the Stello: Full
Balanced Class A Operation Analog Stage
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Phil Leigh Wrote:
The only people who don't accept that an accurate rip+HD will
outperform a high-end CDP as a digital transport are:
1) people who (currently) own high-end CDP's
2) hi-fi reviewers
3) buffoons who know nothing about how computers work. (Pat, this isn't
a reference to
philodox Wrote:
I use both my Squeezebox 3 and my Eastsound CD-E5 as transports to my
Lavry Black DA10. The Eastsound is noticably better as a transport.
I'm afraid you fall into Phil's category 1, hence helping prove his
point ;-).
But seriously, and I ask this in a spirit of friendly
Koenraadr Wrote:
just to add my bit to the thread..
I finally got to try my SB3 against my CD player (Arcam alpha 5+)in a
proper blind test with my blind audiophile friend.
He instantly chose the CD from SB3 but also declared the SB3 quite
acceptable for day to day listening. I played
Phil Leigh Wrote:
Until you try and turn them into sound, bits are indeed bits... There
are many reasons why an accurate rip to HD will give a reliably (ie
repeatably) accurate rendition of the right bits in the right order -
and why even the BEST CDP in the world (whatever that is) will
flac jacket - very funny (ROTFLMHO)
I too can hear NO difference between coax (expensive Kimber Silver one)
and toslink (middling quality) in my particular system - but I'm happy
to believe that others will hear differences in their systems.
I'm wondering if Philodox is hearing jitter...bass
Phil Leigh Wrote:
I'm wondering if Philodox is hearing jitter...bass solidity is one of
the victims of jitter IMHO...
Can you eleborate on that? I've heard a few examples of
(intentionally) jittered sound files (with MUCH more jitter added than
the SB or any decent source should), and they
opaqueice wrote:
philodox Wrote:
I use both my Squeezebox 3 and my Eastsound CD-E5 as transports to my
Lavry Black DA10. The Eastsound is noticably better as a transport.
I'm afraid you fall into Phil's category 1, hence helping prove his
point ;-).
But seriously, and I ask this in
Robin Bowes Wrote:
No, it's not the same at all.
Network transmission has error correction. The data is wrapped up in
various layers of protocols.
With digital audio, the bits simply transmitted over an analogue
medium.
There are all sorts of ways the signal can degrade in
If you're not enjoying that SB3 yet, I'll give you $50 plus shipping for
it...
TD
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opaqueice wrote:
Robin Bowes Wrote:
It's the timing information that is the issue. This has been covered on
these formums many times.
There are (at least) two problems which could occur; one is timing
(jitter) and the other is simply bad bits. I think it's impossible for
bad bits to
Hiya Jack,
Hope your getting your bits/ripping sorted.
Glad to hear your dac is more chilled than the dac1, just started
looking into dacs and good to hear opinions.
If I ever heard mellow, chilled out, kicked back, etc in a digi coax it
would be this one:
http://tinyurl.com/epemj
FAB! for
All I was saying is that bass solidity (timing?) is affected by jitter
(IMHO).
I think we humans are quite sensitive to timing errors in lower
frequencies - it's just a theory, nothing more.
There is an audible difference in correlated vs. uncorrelated
jitter...
IME jitter is responsible for
Robin Bowes Wrote:
Please read up on what jitter is and how it can and does have a
spectrum
related to the music.
To follow Robin's advice, here is a much quoted good place to start:
http://www.stereophile.com/reference/1093jitter/index.html
And note the distinction between on the one
Robin Bowes Wrote:
Please read up on what jitter is and how it can and does have a
spectrum
related to the music.
I have read quite a lot, and I think I have a decent understanding of
jitter. Nothing I have read has indicated that the jitter spectrum
should be harmonically related to
opaqueice Wrote:
These sidebands around the signal being decoded aren't harmonically
related to the signal, making them particularly unpleasant.
The above statement refers specifically to the numbers in the example
given in the text.
If one chose the right numbers one could make them
I've been using the 120GB enterprise class WD drives in a RAID 10 array for a while now and haven't had any drive failures.http://www.wdc.com/en/products/index.asp?cat=2
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your music
opaqueice Wrote:
I'm afraid you fall into Phil's category 1, hence helping prove his
point ;-).I can turn that around pretty easily. People who can't accept that
high
end transports make a difference... don't own them. :popaqueice Wrote:
But seriously, and I ask this in a spirit of
...and a significant disadvantage as wellthe processed files would
likely be unsuitable as a source for transcoding to MP3 in support of a
portable device.
I'd probably end up keeping unprocessed files, processed files, and
MP3s in your library.
Michael
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record/playback capability. These run from 144 GB to 1 TB.
Because of very high bandwidth requirements we can only use Seagate
15,000 RPM SCSI drives. For boot
Robin Bowes Wrote:
opaqueice wrote:
Robin Bowes Wrote:
Please read up on what jitter is and how it can and does have a
spectrum
related to the music.
I have read quite a lot, and I think I have a decent understanding
of
jitter. Nothing I have read has indicated that the
mgraves Wrote:
...and a significant disadvantage as wellthe processed files would
likely be unsuitable as a source for transcoding to MP3 in support of a
portable device.
I'd probably end up keeping unprocessed files, processed files, and
MP3s in your library.
Michael
You could do
Can I suggest that you/we read up on correlated vs. uncorrelated jitter
as they are different beasts...
Philodox - what I am saying is that bass solidity (well defined, easy
to listen to) is easily damaged by jitter. One of the most commonly
heard improvements is better bass when jitter is
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