First off, let me apologize for using the words sad and whatever in
refering to HighD's original post. It was a reaction to tone. And as
I read your following posts, High, I found much that I agreed with
(someone else said the same thing). That got me re-thinking a scheme I
posted on a few
Those that separate the world into two kinds of people; and those that
don't.
My favorite, I couldn't resist.
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davep;141561 Wrote:
I have just taken delivery of my Transporter and have been experimenting
with setups as a replacement for my SB3. I realise that I have to make
some decisions about how I will be controlling volume but admit to
being a bit confused.
When the SB3 was in my system I
Thanks so much for your efforts here to educate and illuminate. I think
we all benefit greatly. It not only educates. It also sets a useful
place from which to have informed and therefore healthy debate in these
forums. And hopefully thru that move this whole hobby/art/science
forward.
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Hi neighbor Dave. I was in on those earlier posts. I share your
concern. My 'take away' from earlier discussion is this:
There are those that feel that ANY digital volume attenuation will
compromise sound quality (I assume because it will result in lost
bits of information).
Others, like
Yes I thought about that too, but the amp I want to use does not have
IR..
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Plugin/Setting idea:
Let the volume settings go from one to eleven.
Why does it sound better? Because it goes to 11!
P.S. - If you haven't seen Christopher Guest's 'Spinal Tap,' ...go see
it!
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mr_bill;141541 Wrote:
Sean,
Don't both the Transporter RCA and XLR outpus make use of the super
regulators and same output circuit? Mabe I didn't understand your
answer above - it may have been referring to something else.
Thanks,
bill
I think Sean meant that because the Transporter
If you open up plugin.pm in the \plugins\digitalinput folder within the
Slimserver folder, Scroll down to the bottom and you will find the
labels that Transporter uses in it's displays.
Change the one for your language to 'CD player Optical' or whatever you
fancy, restart the server and voila!!!
Craig;141596 Wrote:
If you open up plugin.pm in the \plugins\digitalinput folder within the
Slimserver folder, Scroll down to the bottom and you will find the
labels that Transporter uses in it's displays.
Change the one for your language to 'CD player Optical' or whatever you
fancy,
flattop100;141585 Wrote:
Plugin/Setting idea:
Let the volume settings go from one to eleven.
Why does it sound better? Because it goes to 11!
P.S. - If you haven't seen Christopher Guest's 'Spinal Tap,' ...go see
it!
The volume control in the SlimServer web interface has gone to 11
highdudgeon;141550 Wrote:
Oy indeed! Numbers don't lie.
... they just don't always tell the whole truth.
FWIW, I and a number of my customers have been running SBs directly
into power amplifiers for over a year now, without a single failure of
Speaker, Amp or SB.
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What an excellent find! This has helped a lot with the WAF of my new
set up under which the external CD player has to be selected via the
Transporter inputs rather than by a simple button on the pre-amp. I
have changed the title of the TOSLINK input to External CD Player
which is a lot more
Dave, would Craig's suggestion of adding the CD input to favourites not
help?
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andy_c;141548 Wrote:
One does not need to -believe- in measurable improvements. One only
needs to present the data. I haven't seen one piece of data, not one
shred of evidence, to support any of the claims for the Bybee devices.
Ok, I wrote it wrong. He claims there are measureable
Sean, these are impressive plots. Can you share with us some details on
how you have designed the jitter suppression when receiving digital
input from an external source?
(I understand from your plots and explanation that you are not using
asynchronous sample rate conversion.)
Also, how is the
It would - and hopefully it will - when I get to it later tonight.
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Sounds like there should also be a pref to disable inputs as well as
rename them. Only problem would be if someone disabled one then wanted
it later on and forgot that they'd disabled it.
Max
davep;141611 Wrote:
What an excellent find! This has helped a lot with the WAF of my new
set up
I tried to understand how these graphs translate into real world
performance, but I can never do it. I just do not have the technical
knowledge. What I know, however, is when I first connected the
Transporter and listened to it in my setup, the sound was shockingly
good. I have no doubt a great
Fifer;141488 Wrote:
I'd still like to know what the maximum practical cable length is?
Depending on the devices at each end, very long! 100foot plus is fine
with good quality cable, connectors and most important is the design of
the devices at each end. Sound reinforcement snake cables can be
richidoo;141648 Wrote:
I hope you're enjoying the new Transporter. I'm hoping Santa will bring
me one.
Rich
Thanks Rich. It hasn't arrived yet as UK orders aren't shipping yet
apparently. I'm just planning ahead.
Thanks for the links. My current headphone amp was a DIY kit which had
options
My dream box is a Transporter with a built in DEQX PDC2.6P.
Amen. Let's encourage a corporate takeover or partnership deal. :-)
But the low tech detail of volume control still remains elusive.
Exactly!! phew - I thought I was just being slow or something.
Sonically, which would be better?
arge,
As an aside, can you point me to any good links on bi-amping?
I'm unclear on the practicalities on matching speaker sensitivity and
the amplifier gain structure. Can this be compensated digitally or do
you add resistors to the signal path or just select the amps very
carefully?
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max.spicer;141599 Wrote:
The volume control in the SlimServer web interface has gone to 11 for
years now!
Max
Of course! I'm still new here...
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atkinsonrr;141569 Wrote:
But maybe if someone could run us through the technical rationale for
why attenuation in 24 bits will not affect sound? Anyone?
Digital volume control is fine, provided your basic gain settings are
correct. Let's take two examples, one based on the ideal gain setting
Precisely.
And, there's the tricky things about mods: a lot of brainpower,
collective effort, and resources goes into planning these products.
Concessions are made to cost, naturally, but collective planning and
experience go a long way toward the final product. Do you really
suppose that one
Right. And precisely against Sean's advice. Sean has no vested
interest here. He could hype the SB and tell you that you no longer
need outside analog attenuation. But he doesn't do that. Why?
Because there are technical reasons why: 1) you could have a failure
and that would be a problem.
to see an SB2 or SB3 compared to in those graphs there, since my SB2
sounds just great to me.
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I know you've worked your socks off getting the Transporter to sound so
good but you've really missed out on a detail ;-)
http://tinyurl.com/z9vt
Craig
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Craig wrote:
I know you've worked your socks off getting the Transporter to sound so
good but you've really missed out on a detail ;-)
http://tinyurl.com/z9vt
Follow the link and see it only adds $485 to the Bill of Materials
price. Since manufactureres have to mark up BoM prices to pay for
The cynic in me might suggest that the acclaimed sound quality of the
Transporter may be due as much to 6.5.0, as due to the circuit design
of the Transporter itself ;-)
It would be interesting to compare a SB2/3 powered by a linear power
supply, with a Transporter, both running SlimServer 6.5.0.
afblaster;141699 Wrote:
It would be interesting to compare a SB2/3 powered by a linear power
supply, with a Transporter, both running SlimServer 6.5.0.
On paper the Transporter would always trump it - better DAC, lower
jitter, higher-spec components, custom S/PDIF implementation (note the
lol
The beech wood is coated several times with C37 lacquer for best
sound
Of course, the extra mass on the pot, could reduce vibrations in it
that were previously causing slight changes in resistance...
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Sean's an engineer, I'm an engineer (degree-qualified, Chartered,
time-served etc, etc). If that is what he said then I think we're
allowed to disagree without it being a big deal.
So what am I not being objective about here? I'm simply posting a fact
about my real experience in using the
Amusing thread. Just thought I'd post this so that dudge would have to
reply again just to have the last word. :-) - Pat
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highdudgeon;141669 Wrote:
Do you really suppose that one guy in a shed is going to improve it in a
significant way? Iguess that depends on the guy. A lot of great things
started in sheds
I think you'll find.
highdudgeon;141669 Wrote:
In the post I referred to, one of my
Hey guys,
I was wondering what the advantages of upgrading the SBs PS might be if
you are using a separate DAC?
Just ordered a MHDT Constantine. Will use Coax to connect to SB. Should
I also look for a linear PS to further improve sound?
If a different PS would be helpful, what kind of
highdudgeon wrote:
2) they've been using considerable DIGITAL attenuation with an older
version of the software (the newer, as in this month version improves
things), which means they have been degrading their signal. Great.
Do you actually know what the issue was post-firmware 15? No? I
tubesguy;141711 Wrote:
Amusing thread. Just thought I'd post this so that dudge would have to
reply again just to have the last word. :-) - Pat
Great post!
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I guess that depends on the guy. A lot of great things started in sheds
I think you'll find.
Like Hewlett-Packard to name one high profile example. Naim audio
started similarly, Ivor Tiefenbrun's LP12 turntable started life in his
father's engineering company, as a one-off project.
In fact
I guess that depends on the guy. A lot of great things started in sheds
I think you'll find.
Like Hewlett-Packard to name one high profile example.
In fact many engineering companies start in very humble and low-profile
ways, whether they survive and grow is a good way top tell whether the
Here's my thoughts on mods...I think that pretty much any piece of gear
can be modded to deliver better performance than the stock unit,
because there is always a better part out there, or a better way of
designing something if you take away the constraint of a pricepoint (or
a safety constraint,
sbjaerum;141636 Wrote:
Sean, these are impressive plots. Can you share with us some details on
how you have designed the jitter suppression when receiving digital
input from an external source?
(I understand from your plots and explanation that you are not using
asynchronous sample rate
mrfantasy;141680 Wrote:
to see an SB2 or SB3 compared to in those graphs there, since my SB2
sounds just great to me.
It's pretty difficult to run these tests without an s/pdif input, but I
agree it would be interesting to compare. I can tell you SB3 would not
even come close though... not
I understand the whole system design and integration thing to some
degree, but in a product design environment at least partly motivated
by economic considerations, I'm not sure why you'd (HD) think that
improvements couldn't be achieved by replacing components with higher
grade substitutes?
PhilNYC;141743 Wrote:
I found that using an Elpac linear power supply (I bought from an
eletronics surplus website for $17) removed a significant amount of
sibilance/brightness I was getting when using my SB2 with an external
DAC.
1st I plugged the stock PS into a dedicated line, then a
Yes that's what I'm getting at - 6.5 seems to improve SB2/SB3 so much
that if it had been available before its simultaneous release with the
Transporter, then maybe some Transporter customers might have had
second thoughts? But probably not because the Transporter is so much
more versatile, and
Jeff G;141714 Wrote:
Hey guys,
I was wondering what the advantages of upgrading the SBs PS might be if
you are using a separate DAC?
Just ordered a MHDT Constantine. Will use Coax to connect to SB. Should
I also look for a linear PS to further improve sound?
If a different PS would be
I'm looking into which Power Supply to choose for my coming SB2. I am
looking in sub 200$ territory
I need 220VAC -so no ELPAC.. Hope I do nothing wrong in posting these
links? If I do please tell me and I will edit the post..
I have found 3 which I think can be used?
Power One:
joncourage;141553 Wrote:
I still am not entirely sure what side of the if it isn't measurable it
can't make a difference debate I'm on
I don't think it is a question of being measurable in an absolute
sense. The thing is, equipment behaves quite differently depending on
what you hook up
bludragon;141709 Wrote:
lol
The beech wood is coated several times with C37 lacquer for best
sound
Of course, the extra mass on the pot, could reduce vibrations in it
that were previously causing slight changes in resistance...
A cheaper solution would be to remove the original knob
P Floding;141792 Wrote:
I believe the industry needs to concentrate more on measuring equipment
in realistic settings.
Well, a measurement in realistic settings is measuring the setting,
not the equipment, no? Mark Levensin (the company) used to post
frequency response measurements from
PhilNYC;141803 Wrote:
Well, a measurement in realistic settings is measuring the setting,
not the equipment, no? Mark Levensin (the company) used to post
frequency response measurements from 1st refection points, and my dad
(a scientist) couldn't stop laughing, because there was no
Whatever you all are smoking please pass
I'm using an SB2 and realized no improvement to sound quality.
However, I must admit I'm using the digital out to my DAC. Maybe you
analog out folks noticed something
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P Floding;141808 Wrote:
I didn't mean measuring audio from loudspeakers. That is way to
complicated to get anything reproducable and comparable. Just the
normal electrically measurable parameters, but when everything is
hooked up and running.
I just disconnected my A/V section from my
jhm731;141822 Wrote:
Now try disconnecting the SB from your TacT 2.2x, and the CD sound will
improved massively.
Perhaps my analogue LP sound will improve, but I haven't bothered to
find out. My A/V cabling is about 4 meters long, so may well pick up
stuff. The TacT seems very sensitive to
highdudgeon;141235 Wrote:
Oh, I'm just not going to bother. I came across a hilarious post by a
modder -- one who sells these things -- informing the public about
the superiority of his SB2 with Bybee this and that to the Transport.
Heck, he even uses server v. 6.2.1 and firmware 13,
rajacat;141841 Wrote:
A Bolder modded SB3 was chosen to be one of the best source components
of 2006 by ENJOY THE MUSIC.
Maybe you should actually listen to Wayne's mods before you dis him!
'nuf said
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1006/bestof2006.htm
I'll say
That was very helpful. Much appreciated! Once I get everything hooked
up, I will go for maximum volume and see how close that is to 0db. If
not very close, I plan to purchase a couple of Rothwell 10db
Attenuators I have scoped out at Audiogon. (Needed cause I will use
the balanced outs). I
PhilNYC;141844 Wrote:
I'll say this...I've got great respect for Wayne and his work, and he
seems like a terrific guy. However, I think his comparison of his SB3
mods vs. the Transporter would have had a little more credibility if he
had given his Transporter some time to break-in rather
highdudgeon wrote:
Patrick,
Let's see...you have a product to sell, right? So you're objective
about this?
Patrick is very objective. He doesn't sell or even particularly promote
his products on these forums.
You have a product that is, well, eclipsed by the
transporter?
Says who? The
ianwi;141661 Wrote:
arge,
As an aside, can you point me to any good links on bi-amping?
I would start with these:
http://sound.westhost.com/biamp-vs-passive.htm
http://sound.westhost.com/bi-amp.htm
http://sound.westhost.com/bi-amp2.htm
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13, 15, whatever. The point is, the current firmware is what works.
I wasn't going to post...but I got sort of pulled back in. Thanks for
the rude comment. We all like that.
Robin Bowes;141718 Wrote:
highdudgeon wrote:
2) they've been using considerable DIGITAL attenuation with an older
Yes, and, like I said, Wayne also sells $700 power cords. The Bay Area
Audiophile Society did a double-blind test of power cords -- it's on
the web -- and the group of audiophiles couldn't get more than a 50%
hit rate in determing expensive power cords from stanard IEC. Which,
by the way, is
Correction: physics and engineering can explain the whole lot. If you
don't understand that, the the problem is with you. Moreover, is
someone is making claims about his equipment, he should 1) provide
scientific test data or 2) send the gear to a serious reviewer who WILL
subject it to, and
Wayne, Congratulations. In my system your SB2+Mods and Power Supply
and Nitro power cord does sound very good indeed. /Daniel
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atkinsonrr;141854 Wrote:
That was very helpful. Much appreciated! Once I get everything hooked
up, I will go for maximum volume and see how close that is to 0db. If
not very close, I plan to purchase a couple of Rothwell 10db
Attenuators I have scoped out at Audiogon. (Needed cause I
highdudgeon;141868 Wrote:
Correction: physics and engineering can explain the whole lot. If you
don't understand that, the the problem is with you. Moreover, is
someone is making claims about his equipment, he should 1) provide
scientific test data or 2) send the gear to a serious reviewer
highdudgeon;141868 Wrote:
PS, I am really tired of the rudeness on this thread. Enough already.
Don't forget, you are the one that started this thread and thrashing
Wayne's product without even listening to it first.
Measurement doesn't tell the whole picture, I have done a test with two
I find this amazing. First of all, audio shows are NOT the place to do
comparisons. Hardly ideal situations. This is to the poster above.
Second, yes, I'm afraid, the burden IS on the modder to prove WHY
something is superior. Sorry, but anyone selling $700 power cords and
Bybee filters
highdudgeon;141880 Wrote:
I find this amazing. First of all, audio shows are NOT the place to do
comparisons. Hardly ideal situations. This is to the poster above.
Second, yes, I'm afraid, the burden IS on the modder to prove WHY
something is superior. Sorry, but anyone selling $700
You probably have bad ears too and need to have numbers to tell you if
it sounds good.
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highdudgeon;141880 Wrote:
Some people do have bad ears, though, and prefer equipment that is
euphonic, not neutral, or whatever.
See? Another cheap shot.. some people do have bad ears.
WHO ARE YOU to make such a statement? Do you think you're GOD, that you
can tell if other people has
95bcwh;141888 Wrote:
See? Another cheap shot.. some people do have bad ears.
WHO ARE YOU to make such a statement? Do you think you're GOD, that you
can tell if other people has bad ears, and you have the perfect ears?
You have no moral high ground, next time, try harder.
Why don't you
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