Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread praganj
You can order high quality Belden digital cable with crimped hq Canare plugs here: http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/digital-audio/index.htm I don't think that any high end company can make a really better cable, than this ... -- praganj

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread NoRoDa
praganj;683605 Wrote: You can order high quality Belden digital cable with crimped hq Canare plugs here: http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/digital-audio/index.htm I don't think that any high end company can make a really better cable, than this ... I agree My 6feet BJC is better in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread evdplancke
Thanks SBGK for your feedback and happy to read that you have nearly reached the audio perfection :) Have to say that even without HW mods, Amandine Beyer's recording is still one of my favorite HD track. There are so many fine details in there and it sounds so wonderfully atmospheric

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread darrenyeats
A lot of these tweaks are just BS. I work in IT so I know, for example, using a different NAS won't improve the sound. I know it because it's my job, my area of expertise to understand how things work. When a stranger wanders into my area of expertise and writes BS, I form a judgement about

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread Ambrose
SBGK;683572 Wrote: yup, I think that's as close to perfection as I need for now. here are my mods linear ps, meicord ethernet cable, TT3.0 all options enabled, tt -k, SBT default priorities buffer, hardwire coax, toslink removed, Fidelity Audio level 1 mods, fidelizer audiophile,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread chill
I too have a fairly analytical/engineering/scientific approach to life, and like to think I can see through the smoke and mirrors in most cases. But there are plenty of folks here who have a lot more actual engineering experience in the audio field than I have (not difficult!), and there are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread Soulkeeper
S/PDIF uses 'Differential Manchester encoding' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_Manchester_encoding) aka biphase mark code. From Wikipedia: A transition is guaranteed at least once every bit, allowing the receiving device to perform clock recovery. I guess this is part of the reason why

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread chill
Soulkeeper;683632 Wrote: S/PDIF uses 'Differential Manchester encoding' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_Manchester_encoding) aka biphase mark code. From Wikipedia: A transition is guaranteed at least once every bit, allowing the receiving device to perform clock recovery. I guess

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread SBGK
evdplancke;683610 Wrote: Very appealing ;) When did you hardwire your coax: before or after Fidelility Audio mods? after -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread adamdea
chill;683635 Wrote: If by 'immune' you mean that the bits are correctly interpreted, ie the received code is 'bit-perfect', then I agree, but I assumed that the jitter affects the clock recovery more than the values of the bits, since the clock is based on the timing of the transitions

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread evdplancke
SBGK;683637 Wrote: after another mod that John Swenson and others have recommended is to remove the screen, I tried this and it does make a difference, but is too risky to recommend. Am going to try it with the screen separated from the board as far as the cable will allow to see if there

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread SBGK
Ambrose;683622 Wrote: Great stuff! I might have to pass on hardwire coax, toslink removed. process lasso priority and core affinity settings will look into although using Dual core? On the Fidelity Audio level 1 mods how would you describe the changes and would your opinion be to do this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] lose of connection with Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread Ambrose
guidof;682296 Wrote: Before you do anything else, try repositioning the antenna of your router. Guido F. Thanks, will try this. I must just be loosing connection once in a while, which is a pain when using screen off and deamon killer as only enabling screen and touching seems to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread adamdea
Soulkeeper;683632 Wrote: S/PDIF uses 'Differential Manchester encoding' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_Manchester_encoding) aka biphase mark code. From Wikipedia: A transition is guaranteed at least once every bit, allowing the receiving device to perform clock recovery. I guess

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread ralphpnj
adamdea;683638 Wrote: I absolutely agree. The critical point is that all the dac needs to know is 1) the sample values 2) the sample rate. Once the dac has received the manchester code bit perfect (which it will unless there is jitter equal to 1/2 the interval between bits (think about

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread Ambrose
SBGK;683641 Wrote: do you already have a linear ps or battery ps ? that may be enough for you as the internal dac is very good. the level 1 mods won't improve the sound from the internal dac. depends what you are listening to and what you are trying to achieve. if your ambition is to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread Soulkeeper
'Post-purchase rationalization' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization) -- Soulkeeper -That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die.- — — — 'Bug 17797: Updating wiki.slimdevices.com' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17797)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Moon 180 MiND : A new music server from Simaudio

2012-01-13 Thread carp
IMHO it is a music -streamer- (i.e. player), not a music server. Maybe interesting, definitely expensive ;-) -- carp Carsten carp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3584 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Moon 180 MiND : A new music server from Simaudio

2012-01-13 Thread Soulkeeper
If I was to invest $1250 in that part of my system, I'd rather spend it all on a DAC that I could plug my Touch into. The Touch has all the functionality, and a $1250 DAC (that was worth its salt) would probably have better sound than I'll ever need. And probably better sound than any streaming

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread probedb
Well they have to try and figure out some way of selling pointless and over-expensive gear to audiophiles for digital stuff don't they ;) -- probedb 'last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/probedb) probedb's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread audiomuze
Their next series is on soundcheck mods and their universal applicability to all network enabled DACs. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)*

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Vintage or modern?

2012-01-13 Thread ralphpnj
The loudness wars seem to effect mostly mass market popular music releases and re-releases and the war, such as it is, is far from over. I mostly listen to jazz, both modern and not so modern, but I also like and listen to many other musical genres and mass market popular music has by far the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread cliveb
probedb;683654 Wrote: Well they have to try and figure out some way of selling pointless and over-expensive gear to audiophiles for digital stuff don't they ;) Well yes, except that in this case it's nothing to do with spending money on gear. One of the claims made is that a CD ripped at one

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Moon 180 MiND : A new music server from Simaudio

2012-01-13 Thread cliveb
Soulkeeper;683653 Wrote: If I was to invest $1250 in that part of my system, I'd rather spend it all on a DAC that I could plug my Touch into. The Touch has all the functionality, and a $1250 DAC (that was worth its salt) would probably have better sound than I'll ever need. And probably

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread SBGK
Ambrose;683646 Wrote: Hi SBGK, I do have sbooster linear ps and yes - totally money well spent. So at least I know to look at DAC before level 1 mods thanks for advice. I haven't delved into hires much (except for SACDs) but sound from Touch is better than my dvd player (sacd). I have

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread garym
cliveb;683677 Wrote: What ARE these guys smoking? or mainlining. ;-) -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread Mnyb
cliveb;683677 Wrote: Well yes, except that in this case it's nothing to do with spending money on gear. One of the claims made is that a CD ripped at one speed sounds different to the same CD ripped at a different speed, when played back on exactly the same system, even though they

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Moon 180 MiND : A new music server from Simaudio

2012-01-13 Thread ralphpnj
cliveb;683680 Wrote: It's not even clear if this Moon device has analogue outputs. The specs mention digital outputs, but not analogue. (I know, because I searched for them to see if it had balanced analogue outputs, which of course any $1000 streamer bloody well ought to have). And the web

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread magiccarpetride
SBGK;683572 Wrote: yup, I think that's as close to perfection as I need for now. here are my mods linear ps, meicord ethernet cable, TT3.0 all options enabled, tt -k, SBT default priorities buffer, hardwire coax, toslink removed, Fidelity Audio level 1 mods, fidelizer audiophile,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread Mnyb
I have now skimmed trough the articles *sob* in depth reading would incvoke far to much alcohol consumption :-/ . Complete nutters , they don't understand a thing wav-flac-wav if everything works and you fiddle with time stamps it is foresically impossible to tell the 2 wav files appart aargh .

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread magiccarpetride
SBGK;683641 Wrote: The level 1 mods really do make a big difference, all the previous tweaks were not really going to bring out more detail than the Touch was able to produce, but by changing the clocks the resolution is the best I have heard, it's not a 'oh that sounds good, that's an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread Wombat
ralphpnj;683689 Wrote: A better question would be exactly what does TAS have to gain by publishing such garbage? While one can at least the merits of various analog based audio myths, such as expensive cables, there is absolutely no basis for the drivel this series is spewing. In the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone demo SBT TT3.0 against LINN / NAIM Streamers ?

2012-01-13 Thread magiccarpetride
pandasharka;683549 Wrote: Put the money on the front end - spending downstream will only highlight weakness. Do you get me? I agree. In my experience, upgrading things upstream give you more bang for the buck than upgrading them downstream. Perhaps the biggest bang for the buck is to do

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Toolbox 3.0 with NAS Synology DS212J

2012-01-13 Thread Cyille92
I am referring to the section of the set-up of the Logitech Media Server for avoiding the flac decoding locally in the touch ; I have understood that here the point is to get the decoding in the PC/Mac. My question is about the capability of the NAS controller to do the job properly (enough

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread brgds
magiccarpetride;683694 Wrote: You keep improving something that the geniuses in this forum know for a fact it cannot be improved. Bits are bits after all, and there is no way on god's green earth that you can make that bit '1' be more '1' than it already is. And yet, somehow, you're managing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Toolbox 3.0 with NAS Synology DS212J

2012-01-13 Thread garym
Cyille92;683716 Wrote: I am referring to the section of the set-up of the Logitech Media Server for avoiding the flac decoding locally in the touch ; I have understood that here the point is to get the decoding in the PC/Mac. My question is about the capability of the NAS controller to do

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone demo SBT TT3.0 against LINN / NAIM Streamers ?

2012-01-13 Thread Deaf Cat
pandasharka;683549 Wrote: Put the money on the front end - spending downstream will only highlight weakness. Do you get me? Oh yes I get you ;-) I almost follow that plan... well... thinking about it, maybe I don't. I have my third best power cable on the PSU for the SBT, the SBT is just

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread ralphpnj
Wombat;683708 Wrote: I did read on several forums already people finaly feel understood and post like I knew it all the time! So TAS only tests out the new breed of customers that buy into such things. These customers now may buy such publications to know how their software sounds. They

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone demo SBT TT3.0 against LINN / NAIM Streamers ?

2012-01-13 Thread Deaf Cat
SBGK;683559 Wrote: don't forget to look for second hand bargains, Linn Klout power amp £1000 on ebay, one of Linn's best. I've never heard Linn amps, heard one of their decent record players, and a couple of pairs of their speakers, going by what I heard and the money they cost, I was

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread Wombat
The things TAS describe in different playback depends on the software in most cases as i understand it. So in the future they test software as it was audio gear and deliver listening results about the software versions = New market -- Wombat Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone demo SBT TT3.0 against LINN / NAIM Streamers ?

2012-01-13 Thread Deaf Cat
magiccarpetride;683713 Wrote: you come to the realization that you're listening to your power. Oh yes!! that is what is used to produce the sound you hear. Hope to move within the next year or so, so dedicated consumer unit is in the plan for the new gaff, so long as it goes in quick and is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Toolbox 3.0 with NAS Synology DS212J

2012-01-13 Thread Mnyb
so you are of the opinion that you need the toolbox TT3.0 before even been using the Touch ?? And you are conecting to a dac ?? And this forms your choice on how to setup the server ? prime example on the damage done by some. try the products as is first to get a feel for how they work :) And

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread ralphpnj
Wombat;683727 Wrote: The things TAS describe in different playback depends on the software in most cases as i understand it. So in the future they test software as it was audio gear and deliver listening results about the software versions = New market Ah, very clever! I wasn't thinking

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread magiccarpetride
brgds;683718 Wrote: If you belive it's your mission to write here, pls let me advise you don't even have to read all that bullshiting, and at least some of us don't need your view. BTW: have you ever seen those 1? Me not. Anybody? Oh, okay, I wasn't aware what was the etiquette here. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread magiccarpetride
Mr Bellow;667193 Wrote: First of all I want to thanx Souncheck for the passion and the competence. I used TT 2.0 with satisfaction for some time and I was waiting for TT3.0 improvements. The first impressions with TT3.0 in my system are not positive : the sound is emptied , much more

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Vintage or modern?

2012-01-13 Thread magiccarpetride
ralphpnj;683670 Wrote: The loudness wars seem to effect mostly mass market popular music releases and re-releases and the war, such as it is, is far from over. I mostly listen to jazz, both modern and not so modern, but I also like and listen to many other musical genres and mass market

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread NoRoDa
magiccarpetride;683694 Wrote: You keep improving something that the geniuses in this forum know for a fact it cannot be improved. Bits are bits after all, and there is no way on god's green earth that you can make that bit '1' be more '1' than it already is. And yet, somehow, you're managing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread pandasharka
NoRoDa;683753 Wrote: Don't know what's more bizarr. The big improvement after big improvement for every tiny change to the system, or the guys who don't believe anything. For me it's a welcome improvement going from stock SBT to TT3.0. I also believe that the Teddy Pardo PSU made å small

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread NoRoDa
magiccarpetride;683738 Wrote: I think I'll set some time aside this weekend to try this TT3.0 mod. In case I don't like it, how difficult/easy would it be to go back to square one? Very easy, I did it today actually. ;) Reset button on the back of the SBT, then the normal installation

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-13 Thread pandasharka
magiccarpetride;683738 Wrote: I think I'll set some time aside this weekend to try this TT3.0 mod. In case I don't like it, how difficult/easy would it be to go back to square one? You are joking of course. Otherwise your little UK mate SBGK will be feeling a mite EXPOSED.. assuming he

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables

2012-01-13 Thread tank121
Just about to place my order with Blue Jean cables for BJC LC-1 Stereo Audio Cables 0.5 m and Coaxial Digital Audio Cable: Belden 1694A I belive the minimum length for coaxial is 1.5m ? Is this correct is there a minimum length for the stereo cables ? Following on from another thread is it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Vintage or modern?

2012-01-13 Thread ralphpnj
magiccarpetride;683742 Wrote: Sadly, I find that even some 'far out' music, such as newer Bill Laswell CDs, suffer from compressioninitis, being recorded too hot, and in general, waging the loudness war. And no one can claim that Bill Laswell belongs to the mass popular music category.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables

2012-01-13 Thread garym
tank121;683762 Wrote: Finally can a change in the cat5 cabler really from my router to the Touch really make a difference No way at all unless your current cable is broken. Don't believe everything you read here. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables

2012-01-13 Thread garym
But I use lots of different bluejean cables. Great quality at great price. No bs. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables

2012-01-13 Thread guidof
garym;683769 Wrote: No way at all unless your current cable is broken. Don't believe everything you read here. That excellent advice applies to garym's opinion (and my own) as well. ;-) FWIW, in my system switching from a generic cat5 to a Monster cat6 made a significant difference. I was

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables

2012-01-13 Thread garym
guidof;683783 Wrote: That excellent advice applies to garym's opinion (and my own) as well. ;-) FWIW, in my system switching from a generic cat5 to a Monster cat6 made a significant difference. I was very skeptical, to put it mildly, that it would. I was wrong. But rather than

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables

2012-01-13 Thread garym
And guidof, I just wanted to note that I respect you for always being a gentleman in these forums. We can certainly disagree without resorting to the juvenile name calling we see in other threads and I appreciate that. But a great young blues artist is about to hit the stage in the nyc bar I'm

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread totoro
ralphpnj;683732 Wrote: Ah, very clever! I wasn't thinking along those lines but it does make sense. I suppose that there will be a follow up series which does something similar to this series but using Mac/Apple computers and software. In addition I'm sure that the final part, which is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread Wombat
totoro;683789 Wrote: Come on, everyone knows that what is really important is an audiophile computer power supply, and even more importantly, audiophile ram. You don't want your ones getting tarnished on the way to the hard drive. I have some of that ram for sale. Only $800 per 4g stick

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TAS raises the bar - again!

2012-01-13 Thread totoro
Wombat;683790 Wrote: Don´t make a joke about this. Exactly this is were we go to. On diyaudio already is spoken in depth about audiophile silver SATA cable and like always you find some that believe that and have no doubt in the jitter of SATA cables. You can produce every part of a PC and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread totoro
ralphpnj;683644 Wrote: But, but, but what about those mega-buck asynchronous USB DACs used to connect one's MacBook, via a $500 USB cable, and running the $700 Pure Music software? Surely this set up has to sound many orders of magnitude better than the lowly $300 SB Touch connected to a DAC

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread dasmueller
totoro;683792 Wrote: Until recently, I had never heard the name Veblen Good. To quote that all-seeing oracle of everything, wikipedia: In economics, Veblen goods are a group of commodities for which people's preference for buying them increases as their price increases, as greater price

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables

2012-01-13 Thread dasmueller
So who are you seeing tonite ? -- dasmueller dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92030

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread SBGK
so what I should be thinking is that the Touch cannot be improved upon, is that correct ? Have you ever noticed how vehemently people react when you question something they believe in instead of ever being able to have an intelligent discussion with him or her? In the below video, Chris Hedges,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread totoro
SBGK;683796 Wrote: so what I should be thinking is that the Touch cannot be improved upon, is that correct ? Have you ever noticed how vehemently people react when you question something they believe in instead of ever being able to have an intelligent discussion with him or her? In the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables

2012-01-13 Thread garym
dasmueller;683795 Wrote: But a great young blues artist is about to hit the stage in the nyc bar I'm in so I'm about ready to enjoy music the very best way: live and in person So who are you seeing tonite ? http://www.chrisbergson.com/home/ Rodeo bar nyc. Never heard of him but here on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-13 Thread Mnyb
dasmueller;683794 Wrote: And the law of diminishing returns which would only apply to certain aspects of audiophilia. One could argue that a $2k spkr system would likely yield a better sound than a $400 system. However going from a $5 cable or speaker wire to a $100 cable/wire might yield

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables

2012-01-13 Thread Mnyb
I'm with gary here , there really is no plausible cause and effect for cat6 cable sounding better. The odds are in favor of a cognitive effect of some kind . screened ethernet cable is not always good thing ( cat 6 can be that ) then there is risk of conecting the ground planes of the router/