Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-21 Thread Phil Leigh
slackhead;685556 Wrote: > 6 is on FM? > > If only... Oops, I meant 4 (doh!) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-21 Thread Mnyb
Excellent link by Ron Olsen . Note the typical dissmissals of blind testing on the behalf of other posters. It does not matter if blind testing has flaws the flaws in sigthed testing are infinitely worse any day. And some get upsett and read it like a "cheap avr is just as good as anything" . T

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-21 Thread lake_eleven
pandasharka;685562 Wrote: > Surely that's obvious. If he starts a new thread it will be a) devoid of > content b) require followers to clad up in tupperware c) take him > further away from reality than already. > > SBGK clearly has the belief that he is helping Soundcheck develop > something th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Paul Frindle(DSP Master and Digital Audio Expert) clears the air(PC AUDIO)

2012-01-21 Thread TheOctavist
Archimago;685488 Wrote: > Excellent post, thanks... > > About 'jitter'. Just really how much is it an issue? Scientific > studies suggest threshold of jitter detection be in the nanosecond > range (30-300ns Benjamin & Gannon 1998, sinusoidal jitter 35ns & random > jitter 50ns for >2kHz signals

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread TheOctavist
HumanMedia;685564 Wrote: > I'm sure all of us here can say the same. But this is a specific > discussion on how to make improvements, so I am chiming in with > information on that topic. why noone chooses to accept the FACT that the room interactions have the LARGEST impact on what we hear is be

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-21 Thread SuperQ
Ron Olsen;685032 Wrote: > An article on blind listening tests of amplifiers: > http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/12752-blind-listening-tests-amplifiers.html That's pretty good. Last year I was in the market for new speakers. After the sales guy setup the first pair of speakers I was i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread HumanMedia
mlsstl;685557 Wrote: > There have been periods of time, often years, where I've "improved" > nothing in my system and simply enjoyed my music collection. > > Just a thought ;-) I'm sure all of us here can say the same. But this is a specific discussion on how to make improvements, so I am

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread HumanMedia
SBGK;685552 Wrote: > in my orgy of covering things in tin foil I had wrapped about 5 inches > round the ethernet cable coming out of the laptop. > > I was listening to the 24/96 Nirvana Nevermind and noticed that the > sound had gone soft compared to the led zep I was listening to earlier. > I c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-21 Thread pandasharka
TheOctavist;685524 Wrote: > I can't , for the life of me, figure out why SBGK is still posting in > this thread, rather than starting his own for his "tweaks". The thread > originator, and Toolbox daddy, Klaus has asked him to. If it were me > and Klaus asked me to, id take my self elsewhere. It

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread mlsstl
HumanMedia;685554 Wrote: > And what if you already have great speakers? > (in my case worth over 60 times what the SBT costs) > > Do you suggest to still keep improving the speakers? What do you do > when you already have better speakers? There have been periods of time, often years, where I've

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-21 Thread slackhead
Phil Leigh;685511 Wrote: > Radio 2 and 6 6 is on FM? If only... -- slackhead slackhead's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=9

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread HumanMedia
Kevin Haskins;685348 Wrote: > The very best way to improve the sound of ANY Squeezebox Touch is to use > better loudspeakers. > > Just my $0.02 And what if you already have great speakers? (in my case worth over 60 times what the SBT costs) Do you suggest to still keep improving the speaker

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread garym
SBGK;685552 Wrote: > in my orgy of covering things in tin foil I had wrapped about 5 inches > round the ethernet cable coming out of the laptop. > > I was listening to the 24/96 Nirvana Nevermind and noticed that the > sound had gone soft compared to the led zep I was listening to earlier. > I c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread SBGK
SBGK;685486 Wrote: > I have removed the toslink and screen and have it angled away from the > circuit board, I then put in a plastic box, I then wrapped the box in > tin foil, well someone had to. The reasoning was that we already know > the Touch is sensitive to radiation and emf of various sort

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Paul Frindle(DSP Master and Digital Audio Expert) clears the air(PC AUDIO)

2012-01-21 Thread SuperQ
Thanks, this is a good summary of what a lot of us have talked about in the forum before. TheOctavist;685396 Wrote: > > P.S. - I have no idea why discs are marked as suitable for different > speeds, apart from commerically generated market differentials. It's a > physical process and I can see

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-21 Thread agillis
I have played around with upsampling to the max resolution of my DAC. That does help. You can also use a streaming service like MOG that uses 320k streams. They sound WAY better then 64k streams. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art… All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lea

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Paul Frindle(DSP Master and Digital Audio Expert) clears the air(PC AUDIO)

2012-01-21 Thread pski
TheOctavist;685396 Wrote: > > > P.S. - I have no idea why discs are marked as suitable for different > speeds, apart from commerically generated market differentials. It's a > physical process and I can see no reason why a disc should not be > written and read at whatever speed the laser is cap

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread TheOctavist
Phil Leigh;685514 Wrote: > This is true and the fact is that $1 of components (1 resistor and 1 > capacitor) added across the transformer will achieve EXACTLY what a $10 > or $5k cable can do. John has published the details somewhere on this > forum... > > Bear in mind that ALL a cable has is re

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-21 Thread TheOctavist
I can't , for the life of me, figure out why SBGK is still posting in this thread, rather than starting his own for his "tweaks". The thread originator, and Toolbox daddy, Klaus has asked him to. If it were me and Klaus asked me to, id take my self elsewhere. It is rude, IMO. -- TheOctavist Vo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-21 Thread garym
evdplancke;685491 Wrote: > > Would be interesting to start another thread on sharing best practices > on critical listening and testing methodology. Would be, but it makes me tired just to think about reading the diatribes on how testing can't possibly be done, posted by people who have wrapped

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-21 Thread evdplancke
Phil Leigh;685516 Wrote: > It's only a matter of time before someone will claim that the reason you > hear no difference is because your hearing or system is not good > enough... > > I admire your courage. I really do. No problem... I'll assume :) -- evdplancke

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-21 Thread Phil Leigh
It's only a matter of time before someone will claim that the reason you hear no difference is because your hearing or system is not good enough... I admire your courage. I really do. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minim

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread Phil Leigh
konut;685497 Wrote: > Really? This shit again? How many times does this conversation need to > take place? I give you the answer by the brightest guy on the forum. > Post #16. > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=574856&highlight=power#post574856 This is true and the fact is that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-21 Thread Phil Leigh
darrenyeats;685503 Wrote: > Sadly many radio stations apply dynamic compression to their feed - > regardless whether you hear it via low bitrate, high bitrate, FM or > DAB. This is the probably the main issue with radio from my POV. The > reasons have been discussed here before - the typical radi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-21 Thread darrenyeats
Sadly many radio stations apply dynamic compression to their feed - regardless whether you hear it via low bitrate, high bitrate, FM or DAB. This is the probably the main issue with radio from my POV. The reasons have been discussed here before - the typical radio listening environment is noisy e.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread garym
TheOctavist;685489 Wrote: > Christ. > > this thread is full of awesome. > > > people spouting about their "degrees" (id bet my nutsack that at least > one of the "degreed" has no degree at all, esp anything to do with a > scientific field), power cables, and foo. > > > the audiophile axis

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread konut
Really? This shit again? How many times does this conversation need to take place? I give you the answer by the brightest guy on the forum. Post #16. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=574856&highlight=power#post574856 -- konut --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread Kevin Haskins
soundcheck;685430 Wrote: > There's a law of nature related to audio. It's called the "Shisho" law. > > > That "Shisho" law says: "WYFIWYG" -- What You Feed Is What You Get. > > The way you express your opinion won't comply with that rule. > By changing the speaker you won't change anything o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread ralphpnj
SBGK;685486 Wrote: > I have removed the toslink and screen and have it angled away from the > circuit board, I then put in a plastic box, I then wrapped the box in > tin foil, well someone had to. The reasoning was that we already know > the Touch is sensitive to radiation and emf of various sort

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-21 Thread evdplancke
garym;685437 Wrote: > Thanks evdplancke for this example. This sort of thing (a test, even if > not perfect) is all I've ever wanted folks to try. Don't get me wrong > either, I'm not "happy" because you found little or no significant > difference (although not surprised, given the use of a good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread TheOctavist
Christ. this thread is full of awesome. people spouting about their "degrees" (id bet my nutsack that at least one of the "degreed" has no degree at all, esp anything to do with a scientific field), power cables, and foo. the audiophile axis of awesome. ive never understood this behavior

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Paul Frindle(DSP Master and Digital Audio Expert) clears the air(PC AUDIO)

2012-01-21 Thread Archimago
Excellent post, thanks... About 'jitter'. Just really how much is it an issue? Scientific studies suggest threshold of jitter detection be in the nanosecond range (30-300ns Benjamin & Gannon 1998) depending on the type of signal. If Stereophile measurements are to be believed, ALMOST EVERY CD p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread SBGK
Waldo Pepper;685445 Wrote: > At 50/60Hz the effect will be non existent. It's schoolboy maths. you should also make sure power cables are separate from the interconnect cables and if they have to cross then do so at 90'. That's basic electrical engineering. -- SBGK ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread SBGK
I have removed the toslink and screen and have it angled away from the circuit board, I then put in a plastic box, I then wrapped the box in tin foil, well someone had to. The reasoning was that we already know the Touch is sensitive to radiation and emf of various sorts that's why removing the sc

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Paul Frindle(DSP Master and Digital Audio Expert) clears the air(PC AUDIO)

2012-01-21 Thread ralphpnj
Thank you! The air may have been cleared but the air has not been brought to a constant temperature so there will be still be lots and lots of hot air blowing around. Especially when blowing hot air means making money! -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transport

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-21 Thread Recoveryone
I believe the point has been over looked, The main issue is a 64kbs stream (normal internet streaming) can not be made to sound better with DAC or any other enhancement measures. As some have said the only way is to tune in a HD station that puts out a higher bitrate stream, and that may only be

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread Phil Leigh
Waldo Pepper;685445 Wrote: > At 50/60Hz the effect will be non existent. It's schoolboy maths. Really? Try putting a few amps through a tightly coiled mains cable and see what happens... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread Waldo Pepper
jmschnur;684709 Wrote: > A coiled cord will act as an inductor. At 50/60Hz the effect will be non existent. It's schoolboy maths. -- Waldo Pepper Waldo Pepper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=390

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread Deaf Cat
soundcheck;685430 Wrote: > ... you won't change anything on your source. > So thinking about the LMC pc as the source for a moment... from reading your interesting stuff, I know you have tried different operating systems and found a difference in the sound output. Have you tried different p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-21 Thread garym
evdplancke;685390 Wrote: > Side by side testing: > A- SBooster BOTW - SBT - TT3.0 - default prio buffer 20k - modified > Draka Ethernet > B- factory SBT - factory PSU - low cost Ethernet cable > both synced, connected to D-Link ethernet switch, digital out to V-DAC > 2, LMS 7.7.0 with FLAC decodi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-21 Thread soundcheck
Kevin Haskins;685348 Wrote: > The very best way to improve the sound of ANY Squeezebox Touch is to use > better loudspeakers. > > Just my $0.02 There's a law of nature related to audio. It's called the "Shisho" law. That "Shisho" law says: "WYFIWYG" -- What You Feed Is What You Get. The

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-21 Thread SBGK
hmm, that core parking tweak above is very nice. to quote from the link It only applies to Windows 7 X64 and X32 and only in systems using more than 2 physicial CPU's and/or more than 2 "logical" cores - ie: Core i7 DAW's. it has made the sound with MMCSS running and MMCSS stopped vir

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-21 Thread toby10
I've also messed with Yamaha's Compressed Music Enhancer and yes it does work on internet streams (or any MP3 or WMA lossy). The question is how well it works. I'd break it down to thirds in my experience.. 1/3 usage = does improve audio 1/3 usage = no difference 1/3 usage = sounds worse (sounds

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-21 Thread SBGK
more freebies for you Klaus - remove core parking for a smoother playback experience http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=1861804 and here are my latest settings for MMCSS, priorities 26 and clock speed 1 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile\

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-21 Thread darrenyeats
Mnyb;685402 Wrote: > > > So sometimes when I can't really hear the difference what to do, choose > the product with the best technical performance I think these tiny > deviations that you cant hear in isolation adds ups eventually. > So sometimes we have to " shudder " trust measurment and tech

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-21 Thread Jacky
I would like to provide herewith again a short straight feedback to Klaus and the community about playing TT3: I don’t like to include other chain members (DAC, amplifier and speakers) for inculcating the sound, so this is just my subjective opinion regarding the differences of priorities on the