I thourgt that the sb3 sounded more relaxed then the transporter out
the analog outs .
What you prefere is personal .
The digital output of the transporter havvever clearly sounded better
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and music is probverly the worst
instruments for reliably determing enything.
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I whent from transporter to sneaky ds after a dirct comparison at my
dealer.
Im sorry to say but the transporter is not in the same league IMO .
The userbility havever is miles better then the linn.
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the Sneaky ds and Transporter set up
so you can compare for yourself , and all the customers had chosen the
sneaky as the best sounding unit , but som chose the transport for
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The last refuge of the intellectually deficient is to call someone a
liar.
Thank you for revealing your lack of character, harmonic.
We have a Linn dealer here and BTW I have a full blown Linn table. So I
am not anti Linn per se.
Linn demos are dominated
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but its also very primitiv in surthen
ways and was never designed to analyse music.
Some few musicians havever are abel to tune there guitars to the
correct pitch by using there ears, but it takes skill and lots of
experince and it s more luck than skill if the get it 100 right.
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numorious of upgrades
along the way and the lates versions have the swichmode ps that
really cleaned up the bass respons.
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is ABX testing dont work with sound, your brain cant
reliable remember sound .
Music is also a very bad measurment tool because it evolves around
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Would you prefer one that measures poorly? Or do you believe that my own
subjective preferences are aligned with yours?
Have do you measure musicality ?
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in the past had one
thing in commen and thats lack of bass extension and difinition and
musicality.
The sneaky brought back all of this and in the same time gave me more
clearity and fidility then the transporter ever produced IMO.
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ModelCitizen;330257 Wrote:
That's three things.
MC
You most really have a borring life.
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when using linn tundem to determen what sounded
most musical the sb3 sounds just as good.
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components, and those components
can come from various differet manufactors.
Its have you string all thise variabels together that will determen
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Ever since people read that the sb3 and transporter are Bit perfect,
and that the transporter has the MIRACLE dac and a sound that will
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have zero clue what dac the sneaky uses but i do know it sounds
considerably more neutral and correct along side a natural musicalty
that makes the transporter sounds rather uninspireing .
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The trasnporter in this regard sounded pretty close to dead.
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I would stay a way from modding , there are all kinds of things that can
go wrong , been there done that.
Besides that if you dont like the sound dont mod it find somthing
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Have a look at jean yves system
http://www.stereotimes.com/showreportces05page2.shtml
http://www.aca.gr/pop_jyk.htm
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To be fair the ikemi is a discountinued product (since 2002 i beleive
) a more fair comparioson would be one of the unidisk players.
The preamp with the dac you used is from 1997 no wonder the 2008
duet`s analog out sounds better.
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a
comodor 64 or a mac g5.
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and the between time
continued trying to improve it with better parts and design
techniques it will become better and betterget it ; ).
If you take a 90`s formular f1 car it will still go faster then a
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Ill post a detailed review later..
You got PM
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To whom it may concern.
A fanatic is someone who cant change his mind and wont change the
subject.
(Quot Winston Churchill)
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i wrote down was that it was extremly easy to follow
the diferent tunes in the music with the linn unidisk.
Also the unidisk had so much more bass deepth and bass articulation
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tomjtx;288021 Wrote:
That's quite a feat moving speakers blind. Hope you didn't stub your
toes.
After the test i moved the speakers ; )
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vs akurate ds made the sb3unbareble to
listen to.
Owning a sb3 i find that hard to beleive, but that was several of
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My experince is exactly same.
It did get better after a couple of weeks but it was still overly
analytical and thin.
I did get it modded , that diddent do much , but the mod greatly
improved the digital out wich was the mod designers main goal .
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circumstances, and those that are not
are just badly designed.
Yeah, so? You can't get any clearer than transparent.
herer we go again have fun .
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% of it .
Have fun
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. You seem unable to
tolerate anyone's having an opinion that doesn't agree with yours. You
may want this forum to be a playpen for subjectivists undisturbed by
even one cold eyed objectivist. Get over it!
Harmonic, don't invent things, attribute them to other people and then
attack them
pretty much talked yourself into spending $20,000 on
a squeezebox in a nice case.
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beliving that hifi its not about
sound kval but aperanece and convince.
To me at least.
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all about ( for me at least)
only a live violin concert sounds better.
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why i was given a cheaper
look.
I love em and the are keepers regardless of what the cost the sound
better to me then enything elase i have heard .
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cabinet.
And regarding sound the cremona was just better then the wp to my
ears .
the cremona also absolutly godsmacked the linn speakers i heard it
was only the active akurates that would give them trouble but the
cremonas where smoother and alot more comunicating.
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Phil Leigh;264791 Wrote:
Could you expand further?
Just somebody who actually compared 2 squeesboxes one modded and one
stock head to head.
I beleive the bolder squeesbox was rewarded the anaual year award by
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Looks like somone have a different oppinion
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to be no absolut link between
measurments and what sound best to the human ear.
Why is that ?
I think that its because the human ear and brain are much more
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this, and expressed strongly
that if you buy one it will never be dated.
unlike the squessbox 1,2,3
The klimax casing really needes to be seen to be apriciated in my
oppinion its impossible to improve apone.
unlike the squessbox 1,2,3
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, no digital in ,no word clock no big neon sigend
display , no nothing
Only2 analog outputs.
A bit like a race car .
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harmonic wrote:
[the usual I'm a Linn fan-boy stuff]
*yawn*.
R.
Yes absolutly and il say proudly; )
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Muggy;264243 Wrote:
..or just buy the latest squeezebox each year for over 60 years and
still spend less!
That would make sence if it wasssent for the fact that the squeesbox is
a cheap plastik gadged that happen to sound okay.
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gone through massive upgrades since then and all the
upgrades have been aveileble to the linn customers.
The klimax DS is the same in this regard
For me this is a Huge benefit,
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Pat Farrell;264306 Wrote:
harmonic wrote:
I atended a klimax demo yestoday and alot of the questians asked
here
Its hardware and software is 100% upgradeble and will be upgraded as
time goes .
I've got a PC that I use as a firewall. Its front says Never obsolete,
upgrade forever
Robin Bowes;264297 Wrote:
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Enyway I was pointing out that IF you buy a linn Klimax ds it
will
forever be upgradeble just like the sondek wich was released in 1973
.
The sondek have gone through massive upgrades since then and all
the
upgrades have been
Pat Farrell;264327 Wrote:
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Pat Farrell;264306 Wrote:
IMHO, audiophile gear 'upgrades' are pure snake oil.
To understand this rightyou say that the orginal 1973 sondek
lp12 will sound exactly the same as the current full specs sondek
lp12 Se ?
No, I
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opaqueice;264354 Wrote:
Sounds like you've pretty much talked yourself into spending $20,000 on
a squeezebox in a nice case.
Have fun with that!
Hell no its to expensiv ; )
But the akurate DS maybe
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recordings.
That is the kind of stuff that Really give audiophils a bad
reputation.
As a musician it makes me sick.
But i ges to each his owen
Havever the day when all my favorit music becomes aveileble as high
resolution data direct from the master il be the first one to buy.
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comments ?
,
Stereophil have it as a xtra and its clear that its not the most
impornat aspekt of the review.
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cables wich my lyngdorf dealer recordmented
But i prefered the sound of my cheap homemade cobber cables and
some poor fool bourgt all the expensiv ones long ago.
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, the have noise specs lower the most amps out there that
was one of the key things i loved about there reviews.
Just like the transporter amazing measurmeents , decent sound
that seems boost better sells , then amazing sound bad measurments.
Typical american marketing.
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with a
linn amp and linn source, stupendiously i dident buy that , i bougt
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And besides all of that... they were talking about MEASUREMENTS. You can verify
them yourself![/QUOTE Wrote:
As I have stated before , i personaly couldent care less others may.
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much more boogie to them , dynamics ,PRAT , and slam at the same time
, and also have amazing imaged deepth.
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NewBuyer;253665 Wrote:
harmonic I'm just wondering please, why are you posting this kind of
stuff here?
Well tom has a bug up his arese with me and he seems to follow me
around using every kind of trick he can to atack or destroy what im
trying to say.
I think he gets a kick out of seeing
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to arrognat ,it was not
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tomjtx;253885 Wrote:
Try going to the symphony in a good hall and solo classical concerts and
chamber music.
No system can come even close to that.
I agree so why try and duplicate it.
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much the same.
thanks
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is if it sounds better its better
if not its not better.
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analytical and found myself getting having hard time connecting to the
music.
I would personaly go with the sb3 and a good dac '
the Transporters is slims very first atempt on a higend player ,
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listen to a linn source and you will know better what i mean.
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Try listen to a linn source and you will know better what i mean.
The fenomonen is very commen in hifi and to some desireble , its
mostly commen in speaker designs , but amps like the digital
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tomjtx;253589 Wrote:
That kind of rudeness is uncalled for, harmonic, and doesn't reflect
well on you.
Please try to be civil.
No offense , i never seem to understand the way some comnuicate in
here and pick right up on it.
but one advice if you scream loundly into the woods
started this hardisk based audio several years ago long
before the sbin there kivor system , through the years the have
perfeccted and refinent it.
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, and there
studios and recordt company will also.
Infact linn started this hardisk based audio several years ago long
before the sbin there kivor system , through the years the have
perfeccted and refinent it.
And now we get the fruits
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.
Or use the linn tune dem method , dont just put some music on and flip
the swich a couple of times .
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because they're
personal. Everyone has their own tastes.
Harmonic, I'm happy to read your opinions about equipment, but I do so
knowing our tastes differ.
Darren
We all have different tasts , hifi is like cigars and woman there
really is no right or wrong.
My linn amps do sound very
is still the sb3 because ironicly it sounds very close to the
transporter IF you use it with a good linare PS.
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with but the where also som of the most steril and
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I full hartly agree.
I was at a hifi show in copenghagen last month, when i walked into the
Gamut Audio room my grilfriend that was with me out of no where said
that sound horrible .
The sound came from the new top of the lin gamut L9 speakers that weigh
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haunyack;250828 Wrote:
huh?
Do you believe there's correlation between the two according to your
subjective response?
.
Yes i do, the both measure very good and both sound very analytical
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redil;250559 Wrote:
harmonic;250468 Wrote:
SoftwireEngineer;250466 Wrote:
Do you have an idea how the Klimax DS compared to the transport/SB3
stuff ?
I have a friend that have have had both the transporter and sb3 in
his linn system.
He sold the transporter
the played studio master files over the DS i heard
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Im all ears i have the same problem here and i use appel loosless
also.
The pops and cracles happens both when playing or when stoped, and
even when the transporter is in standby mod.
I thourgt it was becaue i also have power issues in my house.
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borrowing a linn unidisk sc or a moddified sb3 and see what happens.
And those Bw speakers is diffently not heping also.
THis is my oppinion on the subject , pleas respect it
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and that is what you are.
Arrogant people make hell on earth.
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