Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2009-03-09 Thread krabapple
Pale Blue Ego;276121 Wrote: Not logical. For that to be true we'd have to believe that CDs could have sounded fantastic all along, but they purposely kept the sound quality inferior until SACD came out, then used all the superior mastering techniques on the SACD layers. LOL. Would you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-06-06 Thread Phil Leigh
Dusty Chalk;309133 Wrote: There's a difference between a niche market (SACD) and a dead format (HD-DVD). Agreed, it has failed to oust CD -- is that a failure? As a consumer of high-res audio, I think not. Just because those were Sony's plans (and I do agree that SACD failed to replace

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-06-06 Thread Pat Farrell
Phil Leigh wrote: Sony doesn't do niche markets! So for them it is a complete commercial disaster. Their intention was to re-sell us all the CD's we'd ever bought (yet again!). No-one knows how much money they have lost on this. I'm only talking from a commercial standpoint here. They also

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-06-06 Thread Dusty Chalk
Phil Leigh;309277 Wrote: Sony doesn't do niche markets! So for them it is a complete commercial disaster. Their intention was to re-sell us all the CD's we'd ever bought (yet again!). No-one knows how much money they have lost on this. I'm only talking from a commercial standpoint

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-06-06 Thread DCtoDaylight
Dusty Chalk;309512 Wrote: Sony isn't the only company in the world. There are plenty of companies (Pentatone, BIS, MoFi/MFSL, et al) that are doing just fine. True but all of those companies combined, couldn't hope to raise enough capital to develop a format like SACD And without a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-06-05 Thread Dusty Chalk
Phil Leigh;277471 Wrote: I wasn't arguing - I was agreeing. SACD is a low-volume niche format and will stay that way until it finally vanishes. You might find that annoying. Same would go for an early adopter of HD-DVD. However, I suppose you are going to tell me that HD-DVD isn't dead

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-09 Thread bigfool1956
A couple of things that might be interesting. First of all I found this database of HDCD releases, I don't know how complete it is. http://www.hifimusic.se/hdcd/index.php?p=homelang=en Secondly, I have one of the new iPods, and it appears that it has a 24 bit dac, as I can import an HDCD

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-09 Thread Phil Leigh
Pale Blue Ego;276808 Wrote: I would list the SACDs released since the first of the year, but you don't seem interested in any sort of reality-based discussion. Some people just like to argue, even if it's only with themselves. I wasn't arguing - I was agreeing. SACD is a low-volume niche

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-07 Thread Pale Blue Ego
SACD isn't dead, though it's mostly being used by classical and specialty labels like Telarc and MFSL. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-07 Thread Phil Leigh
Pale Blue Ego;276538 Wrote: SACD isn't dead, though it's mostly being used by classical and specialty labels like Telarc and MFSL. Nope - it is dead. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-07 Thread Pale Blue Ego
Phil Leigh;276603 Wrote: Nope - it is dead. I would list the SACDs released since the first of the year, but you don't seem interested in any sort of reality-based discussion. Some people just like to argue, even if it's only with themselves. -- Pale Blue Ego

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-06 Thread darrenyeats
This reminds me of the argument over SACD and CD. The differences are due to mastering according to the AES study. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-06 Thread Pale Blue Ego
darrenyeats;275934 Wrote: This reminds me of the argument over SACD and CD. The differences are due to mastering according to the AES study. Darren Not logical. For that to be true we'd have to believe that CDs could have sounded fantastic all along, but they purposely kept the sound

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-06 Thread darrenyeats
Well, in my experience a lot of older CDs sound better than newer ones. General mastering quality is going down hill. When the industry started pushing SACD (it's dead now) they put more thought into mastering for it, probably to encourage people to think it was better than CD. The argument is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-05 Thread Pale Blue Ego
Just ran across this thread... The hdcd.exe program works great! I tried it on Emmylou's Wrecking Ball. The resulting 24-bit FLACs sound fantastic and are only slightly larger than the original 16-bit FLACs. Now off to convert all my Joni Mitchell remasters and the rare HDCD test pressing of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-05 Thread Robin Bowes
Pale Blue Ego wrote: Just ran across this thread... The hdcd.exe program works great! I tried it on Emmylou's Wrecking Ball. The resulting 24-bit FLACs sound fantastic and are only slightly larger than the original 16-bit FLACs. ... which suggests they're 16-bit 8-bits of zero padding ;)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-05 Thread Timothy Stockman
Robin Bowes;275629 Wrote: Pale Blue Ego wrote: Just ran across this thread... The hdcd.exe program works great! I tried it on Emmylou's Wrecking Ball. The resulting 24-bit FLACs sound fantastic and are only slightly larger than the original 16-bit FLACs. which suggests

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-05 Thread Timothy Stockman
To further add to my previous post, IMHO effect of the peak extend mode of HDCD is rather subtle. I'm not sure I could reliably detect decoded vs non-decoded on most material in a level-matched blind test. OTOH, the 6 dB gain reduction is not subtle. IMHO, ReplayGain is almost mandatory for

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-05 Thread Pale Blue Ego
Yes, I'm using ReplayGain. I'm also using a higher FLAC compression level that the one used a few years ago on the original rips. And Robin, I know the resulting file isn't true 24-bit, but it *is* a properly-decoded HDCD wav, which does sound better than the non-decoded wav. Since the SB3

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-05 Thread Wombat
Timothy Stockman;275660 Wrote: To further add to my previous post, IMHO effect of the peak extend mode of HDCD is rather subtle. I'm not sure I could reliably detect decoded vs non-decoded on most material in a level-matched blind test. You can try this sample i offer here:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-05 Thread Timothy Stockman
Pale Blue Ego;275677 Wrote: I know the resulting file isn't true 24-bit, but it *is* a properly-decoded HDCD wav I'm not sure we can be sure that it's properly decoded, since the HDCD specs are secret. As I understand it, hdcd.exe was reverse engineered without a real specification in hand,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2008-03-05 Thread Pale Blue Ego
Hmmm...well, all I can say after an evening of listening to the decoded files is - they sound stellar. I love Wrecking Ball, but it always seemed too overwhelmed by muddy bass. The decoded files restore the leading edge of the bass notes, putting them in a more balanced perspective and making

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-12-02 Thread regal
cjk32;222754 Wrote: I've very little experience with DOS batch files, but a bit of research (http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/batch.mspx?mfr=true) suggests that the following (untested) should do what you want: 1) for %f in (*.wav) do hdcd.exe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-12-02 Thread regal
regal;246579 Wrote: I have over 200 HDCD's I need to convert. They just don't make good HDCD DAC's any more so this is my only option. I have been using HDCD.exe at the command prompt but it is so tedious to type the file names. Could someone make sense of this %f jiberish for me?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-12-02 Thread regal
arne;226648 Wrote: This is how to scan a playlist in foobar: 1) create HDCD-Scan.bat in HDCD.EXE folder 2) use this code for the batch file: (*path*)\hdcd.exe -a -x %1 2 %2 SET /p HDCD= %2 if %HDCD%==HDCD Detected echo %2 hdcd.log SET HDCD= 3) create custom converter setting in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-11-07 Thread lucas72
I've read (most of the) thread here. Thanks everybody it was very interesting. A question raised in my mind. I converted an existing flac to wav using flac.exe, then using hdcd.exe I generated a 24bit wav file, as per your suggestions. Now the question is: can I use any standard method (flac.exe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-25 Thread milesr3
I just ripped Dire Straits Brother's in Arms 20th Anniversary Addition SACD into flac and my DAC detects it as a HDCD. Bit of a surprise as there is no HDCD logo on the case and I assumed the CD layer was just an ordinary CD. It sounds blooming marvellous. Better than it did with my crappy old

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-23 Thread schiegl
Hi, just want to say thank you to cjk32 (hdcd) and arne (foobar tips). Although the scan identified just 3 cd's it was a nice sunday afternoon excerise :-) Markus -- schiegl schiegl's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-14 Thread cjk32
quietdragon;227047 Wrote: Can you produce a Linux x86 binary? (I can compile, but the source is not published on your site.) Could you contact me privately. Chris -- cjk32 cjk32's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-14 Thread scintilla
You know, I just don't know; I have always been on the other side of the issue obtaining the patents, not enforcing them so this is a weak area for me. I am presently looking into it and will post what I find, though keep in mind that whatever I may come up will be my own personal opinion and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-13 Thread cjk32
joad;226017 Wrote: Edit: This is working Code: @echo off for /f usebackq delims= %%f in (`dir /b /s *.flac`) do @echo %%f @flac -dcs --totally-silent -- %%f | hdcd.exe -i -r Apolgies, batch files seem to need %%f, whereas

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-13 Thread cjk32
joad;226396 Wrote: I’m trying to convert my flac files to 24bit (hdcd) wav files direct without first converting the flac files to wav and then run hdcd.exe to get the 24bit hdcd files. This is not working Code: Flac –dcs “name of the file.flac” |hdcd.exe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-13 Thread cjk32
cjk32;226895 Wrote: I think this is probably something to do with fseek and ftell not working when not connected to a file. I'll take a look at this and see if there's a good workaround, as piping really does need to work! Fixed in r172. Under win32, fseek() produces strange results when

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-13 Thread scintilla
I would really like to encourage the development of a plug-in for on-the-fly detection of the companding bit, and subsequent transcoded output of 24/44.1 when that bit is detected. As you previously indicated, it appears that one of the flags just indicates that soft limiting was used in encode,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-13 Thread quietdragon
cjk32;226938 Wrote: Just a general note to anyone downloading this. The best place to look for the most recent version is the website, http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cjk32/hdcd/ Can you produce a Linux x86 binary? (I can compile, but the source is not published on your site.) --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-11 Thread arne
mmmhhh... Why don't you use a host program like foobar instead of using batch files? It's much easier! -- arne arne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11557 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-11 Thread joad
I tried foobar but didn’t get it to work. Arne how do your batch file for scanning media library look? I didn’t get it to working until a added “-r” I’m using this batch file now Code: @echo off for /f usebackq tokens=1 delims= %%f in (`dir /b /a-d *.flac`) do

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-11 Thread arne
This is how to scan a playlist in foobar: 1) create HDCD-Scan.bat in HDCD.EXE folder 2) use this code for the batch file: (*path*)\hdcd.exe -a -x %1 2 %2 SET /p HDCD= %2 if %HDCD%==HDCD Detected echo %2 hdcd.log SET HDCD= 3) create custom converter setting in foobar

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-11 Thread arne
ooops.. i deleted my hdcd.exe and the link is broken. please provide a new link thanks -- arne arne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11557 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-10 Thread joad
I’m trying to convert my flac files to 24bit (hdcd) wav files direct without first converting the flac files to wav and then run hdcd.exe to get the 24bit hdcd files. This is not working Code: Flac –dcs “name of the file.flac” |hdcd.exe out.vaw

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-08 Thread joad
Hi, this tools works great, after converting some of my HDCD to 24bit I don’t want to listen to the old 16bit any more. But I can’t get the batch script that’s scans a dir with flac files to work. “for /f usebackq delims= %f in (`dir /b /s *.flac`) do @echo %f @flac –s –d –c %f | @hdcd.exe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-30 Thread cjk32
Phil Leigh;223693 Wrote: Chris - this sounds great. Any suggestions as to how I could get HDCD to scan a drive (e.g. E:) and recurse all the subdirectories ? (not being a script monkey for the last 15 years or so I'm a bit rusty...) Many Thanks Phil I've had essentially zero experience of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-29 Thread cjk32
arne;223272 Wrote: well... i've written a batch file that scans the whole media library of foobar for hdcds and saves the results in a log file. this way you can conveniently scan all you flacs or apes without converting them manually. after that you can use foobar again to convert the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-29 Thread Phil Leigh
cjk32;223680 Wrote: Sounds like an excellent tool, exactly the sort of thing I had in mind when referring to script wrappers. I've added some (hopefully script friendly) command line options. I won't explain them here as I'd like the usage information (hdcd.exe -h) to be self

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-27 Thread arne
Found the reason for the foobar problem, but not the solution: HDCD.EXE only works if the parent process is cmd.exe or command.com It can't be run by another application. The only possible solution so far is to start it via cmd.exe/command.com: cmd.exe /c {path to tool}hdcd.exe {source}

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-27 Thread cjk32
arne;222912 Wrote: well.. tried to make it work with foobar. but if called by foobar, hdcd.exe appears as a process in task manager but it doesn't do anything. but if i use the foobar command and paste it in a command prompt window, it works...strange! any ideas? I've no experience with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-27 Thread cjk32
joad;222962 Wrote: I can’t get HDCD.exe to work. When I run I from CMD console it stops with out writing anything to the console window /J hdcd.exe reads from stdin and writes to stdout. You need to invoke it like, hdcd.exe 16bit.wav 24bit.wav -- cjk32

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-27 Thread cjk32
arne;223224 Wrote: Found the reason for the foobar problem, but not the solution: HDCD.EXE only works if the parent process is cmd.exe or command.com It can't be run by another application. The only possible solution so far is to start it via cmd.exe/command.com: cmd.exe /c {path to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-27 Thread Timothy Stockman
cjk32;223267 Wrote: I'll have a think about how best to implement this as there are a few different situations that may want to be detected. Perhaps the cleanest way after all is to have a 'test' mode, where the application reads a certain duration in, and returns a code based upon what

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-27 Thread arne
well... i've wrote a batch file that scans the whole media library of foobar for hdcds and saves the results in a log file. this way you can conveniently scan all you flacs or apes without converting them manually. after that you can use foobar again to convert the hdcds to 24-bit wave-flac.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-26 Thread arne
mmmhh...strange the tools seems to refuses to work if it's called from outside of its working directory. i wasn't able to make it work with a host application like foobar. you can only start it from its working folder. any suggestions? -- arne

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-26 Thread arne
well.. tried to make it work with foobar. but if called by foobar, hdcd.exe appears as a process in task manager but it doesn't do anything. but if i use the foobar command in command prompt it works...strange! any ideas? (same problem with programs like directory opus) -- arne

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-26 Thread joad
I can’t get HDCD.exe to work. When I run I from CMD console it stops with out writing anything to the console window /J -- joad joad's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10944 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-26 Thread Timothy Stockman
cjk32;222754 Wrote: I'm of the opinion that such functionality really belongs in wrapper scripts, and the the core application should be kept as simple as possible. I've very little experience with DOS batch files, but a bit of research

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-25 Thread arne
Nice tool! The decoded file is equal to the WMP/Chronotron output. Seems to work well. It would be close to perfect if it supported the following features: 1) batch processing of all files in a folder 2) scan-only-mode without file output: this way you can just check your files for hdcd

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-25 Thread cjk32
arne;222718 Wrote: Nice tool! The decoded file is equal to the WMP/Chronotron output. Seems to work well. It would be close to perfect if it supported the following features: 1) batch processing of all files in a folder 2) scan-only-mode without file output: this way you can just check

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-25 Thread arne
Thanks for your answer Chris! You're right about batch processing. A foobar script will do the job. I could have thought of that myself. Thanks! -- arne arne's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-23 Thread Timothy Stockman
Using you hdcd.exe program on the title track of Mark Knopfler's Sailing to Philadelphia, which reports Detected HDCD. Looks as if the peak limiter/peak extension feature was not used (see attachments). Looks like with this track, there's no real reason to push it through an HDCD decoder. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-23 Thread Timothy Stockman
attachments -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32967

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-23 Thread Timothy Stockman
From the CD... +---+ |Filename: fromCD.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3167|

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-22 Thread cjk32
Hi all, I've written a little utility for decoding CDs, take a look at, http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=129136 Chris -- cjk32 cjk32's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5151 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-22 Thread Nikhil
w00t! Thanks Chris. A utility like this is exactly what I was looking for when I first asked about HDCD a couple of years ago. While I don't have the tools necessary to determine if the actual HDCD information has been retreived at the moment, this certainly does what you said it should.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-22 Thread cjk32
Nikhil;222133 Wrote: While I don't have the tools necessary to determine if the actual HDCD information has been retreived at the moment, this certainly does what you said it should. Tested with Madeleine Peyroux's Walking After Midnight, and it correctly detected the file as HDCD

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-22 Thread Nikhil
cjk32;222144 Wrote: Excellent, glad it's working for you. If you get the chance, I'd be grateful if you could compare it to an output captured from wmp. The file headers will differ a little bit, but the audio should be bit identical. Chris Chris, Sorry I don't have any of the WMP

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-22 Thread Heimiko
cjk32;222131 Wrote: Hi all, I've written a little utility for decoding CDs, take a look at, http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=129136 Chris Excellent tool! (haven't tried it yet though) Noticed the thread you started on the other forum, telling that if a WAV is not actualy in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-22 Thread cjk32
Nikhil;222155 Wrote: Chris, Sorry I don't have any of the WMP generated files with me, nor the ability to generate them easily at the moment - so its a little hard to do the bit comparison. However I did import them into Audacity, and the files decoded by your utility visually appear to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-22 Thread Mark Lanctot
Nikhil;222155 Wrote: One question I have though ... the original file opens as a 16 bit PCM file in Audacity as expected, however the converted file shows up as a 32 bit float rather than a 24 bit PCM. What does that mean? I was going to say that Audacity defaults to 32-bit float (it opens

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-08-22 Thread cjk32
Heimiko;222160 Wrote: Excellent tool! (haven't tried it yet though) Noticed the thread you started on the other forum, telling that if a WAV is not actualy in HDCD format, it'll output in half (or lower) volume levels. This means that you fill up the most-significant-bits with zero's, and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-05-13 Thread arne
Hi, I've ripped a HDCD to wave via WMP10Chronotron. It is indeed showing in Soundforge 9 that it's not just of a lower volume: The peaks are not shaved off anymore. Now I'm wondering whether it's a good idea to normalize the peak level to 0db? Would that harm my file? -- arne

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-04-07 Thread Anne
Sorry, didnt read the whole thread, but I read here that ripping to 24/44.1 will preserve the HDCD info. I used DBPowerAmp for this on a Mark Knopfler Wag The Dog cd. A Wave file, , 100 % original, the album is 366 MB. However, this cannot be converted to ALAC for storage in ITunes, I get an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-04-06 Thread Jaco
I've just verified that ripping with EAC using FLAC works for HDCD - yay! My setup consists of an SB3 with a Denon 3805 A/V amp. The 3805 has the ability to decode HDCD. The digital output of my SB3 is connected to the digital in of my Denon 3805, that is, I'm using my 3805 as a decoder and DAC

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-04-06 Thread Jaco
I've been planning to upgrade to a Transporter, but by doing that I'll be losing the ability to play my HDCD's as they were intended - damn! Ok, I can always connect the digital out of the Transporter to a DAC that can decode HDCD, but then I'll have to remember which of my CD's are HDCD encoded

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-04-06 Thread Mark Lanctot
Jaco;193008 Wrote: So, here's my feature request for the Transporter: please, please add HDCD decoding! It would be quicker to figure how to rip CDs to take advantage of HDCD as outlined in this thread. Microsoft seems to have little interest in HDCD. HDCDs are still being produced, but who

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-21 Thread SonicAdventure
my first post... i did a lot of reading in this thread. and: i´m not new to decoding HDCD. a few weeks ago i discovered the chronotron plugin and was very curious to find out if this plugin works. and my conclusion: it does :) i have a few HDCD´s i always wanted to have them decoded without

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread Olav Sunde
Phil Leigh wrote: Reading another amusing thread on the merits of streaming flac vs wav reminded me to post in this thread... If you insist in streaming WAV you will not be able to play the 24-bit flacs - they transcode into white noise! The 24bit files that WMP outpts are actually 20bit

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread Mark Lanctot
Phil Leigh;185786 Wrote: 4 Bryan Ferry HDCD remasters (In Your Mind, These Foolish Things, Lets Stick Together, Another Time, Another Place), Mark Knopfler (Golden Heart, Sailing to Philadelphia, Shangri-La) John Fogerty (Centerfield), Brian Wilson (Smile), Barb Jungr (Waterloo Sunset)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread Mark Lanctot
Skunk;185810 Wrote: You may be right about the receiver (I didn't search extensively), but this shows how it's done in an Oppo DVD player: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=95972 The Oppo is pretty special, it's achieved legendary status because it does what nobody else

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread Phil Leigh
Mark Lanctot;185990 Wrote: Ah, but the question is then, are HDCDs really better, or is it just that they are recorded better? If the producer is concerned enough about audio quality to go to the effort to make it an HDCD, perhaps the standard Redbook 16-bit version is superior as well?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread Phil Leigh
Olav Sunde;185904 Wrote: Phil Leigh wrote: Reading another amusing thread on the merits of streaming flac vs wav reminded me to post in this thread... If you insist in streaming WAV you will not be able to play the 24-bit flacs - they transcode into white noise! The 24bit files

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread Phil Leigh
Mark Lanctot;185993 Wrote: The Oppo is pretty special, it's achieved legendary status because it does what nobody else does (upsample DVD video and output via HDMI). Definitely a unique case. ? - I'm confused. My Sony DVD player upsamples DVD to 1080i and outputs to HDMI...am I missing a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread P Floding
Phil Leigh;186009 Wrote: ? - I'm confused. My Sony DVD player upsamples DVD to 1080i and outputs to HDMI...am I missing a subtlety? It was legendary for a few months before everybody else offered this too. I have an Oppo too -it is (was?) good value. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread Phil Leigh
P Floding;186048 Wrote: It was legendary for a few months before everybody else offered this too. I have an Oppo too -it is (was?) good value. Ah - OK - thanks - I was getting worried for a moment. Anyway, we'll soon have blu-ray...(not sure how off-topic we've got now :o) - sorry!) --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread Mark Lanctot
Yeah, sorry, I'm an audio guy, not a video guy, so I don't have the Oppo and I'm not current on the state of things in video. Skunk seemed to infer that if the Oppo does it, everything else does it or can do it, and I just wanted to point out that the Oppo was definitely a special case. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread Skunk
Mark Lanctot;185993 Wrote: The Oppo is pretty special, it's achieved legendary status because it does what nobody else does (upsample DVD video and output via HDMI). Definitely a unique case. Although the oppo may not be special by video standards, it still may be special for other reasons.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread Olav Sunde
Yes, this is an even easier way to do it- thanks for the tip. I also rip my music to FLAC. Phil Leigh wrote: Olav - you are using a slightly different process to me. I take the WMP WAVOUT file (which won't play on an SB as it is a non-standard 20/24-bit WAVEX format - but I don't care as I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread Mark Lanctot
Skunk;186056 Wrote: If you consider DSP to be bass/treble management then I suppose that is true. If you consider DSP to be the way these players decode HDCD, SACD, and DVD-A- then I would argue that it would be very desirable to have the digital out go through DSP. Sure, I agree with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-06 Thread Skunk
Mark Lanctot;186094 Wrote: It seems the software approach is the best one at this point. I agree that the software approach is fabulous, but it's mostly a matter of having windowsXP or not. I've mentally noted, however, that since it requires a mod, hardware ripping should probably be

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-05 Thread Nikhil
Skunk;185561 Wrote: Apparently 15 pages is how long it takes to rediscover the wheel in this case :-) Sometimes never !!! Not only in this thread, but in a couple of others have I posted something which was completely ignored. If I am lucky it might crop up several posts later in the same

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-05 Thread Skunk
Mark Lanctot;184929 Wrote: It would truly suck if these outputs had the various DSP effects added to them - speaker level...[snippet] Thinking about this some more, the Sb allows 'use digital volume control', or 'don't use...', which would mean it's going through DSP first. -- Skunk

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-05 Thread Skunk
Nikhil;185645 Wrote: Sometimes never !!! Not only in this thread, but in a couple of others have I posted something which was completely ignored. If I am lucky it might crop up several posts later in the same thread or in a new thread as an entirely new discovery. In internet culture, any

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-05 Thread Mark Lanctot
Skunk;185681 Wrote: Thinking about this some more, the Sb allows 'use digital volume control', or 'don't use...', which would mean it's going through DSP first. Yes but I was referring to a receiver that has a hard-coded DSP. Slim's use of its DSP and a receiver's use of its DSP are very

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-05 Thread Eric Carroll
Skunk;185688 Wrote: Unfortunately, as Eric pointed out, most people need a direct link, and to have the info paraphrased for them. Nikhil, Skunk, I take doing my research and citing other people's work seriously, as I hope you can see from my previous hyperlinked postings. But I am not the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-05 Thread Skunk
Mark Lanctot;185721 Wrote: Yes but I was referring to a receiver that has a hard-coded DSP. Slim's use of its DSP and a receiver's use of its DSP are very different. I wasn't trying to argue that point really, because I still think you're right. These companies have to submit their designs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-05 Thread Skunk
Eric Carroll;185727 Wrote: Nikhil, Skunk, I take doing my research and citing other people's work seriously... I view this thread as amazingly productive compared to a number of other ones I have participated in here. Let's not lose sight of that. I know you do, and apologize sincerely

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-05 Thread Nikhil
Eric Carroll;185727 Wrote: Nikhil, Skunk, I take doing my research and citing other people's work seriously, as I hope you can see from my previous hyperlinked postings. Eric, I apologize if I caused any bad feelings. I wasn't directing my comments against you at all, in fact not against

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-05 Thread Phil Leigh
Has anyone done any listening yet? (I'm sick of staring at waveforms). I've just listened to: 4 Bryan Ferry HDCD remasters (In Your Mind, These Foolish Things, Lets Stick Together, Another Time, Another Place), Mark Knopfler (Golden Heart, Sailing to Philadelphia, Shangri-La) John Fogerty

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-05 Thread Phil Leigh
Reading another amusing thread on the merits of streaming flac vs wav reminded me to post in this thread... If you insist in streaming WAV you will not be able to play the 24-bit flacs - they transcode into white noise! Stick with streaming FLAC and the 24 bit-files play fine... or do they?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-05 Thread Skunk
Mark Lanctot;185721 Wrote: Also there's some evidence to show that what comes in does not go through the DSP except if it's played back through the speakers: - analogue inputs cannot be sent through digital outputs and vice-versa (except in high-end pre/pros that digitize all incoming

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-04 Thread Skunk
Eric Carroll;185543 Wrote: Come on skunk give me a break it was 15 pages ago and a single sentence comment ... Sorry, but one reason the thread is 15 pages is that I wasted one or two of them talking about DSP implementation of HDCD, so it was mentioned a few times ;-) Apparently 15 pages

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-03-04 Thread Skunk
Eric Carroll;185543 Wrote: ' Side comment: You know you can make hyperlinks of sentences to remind people of things using the [ url = hyperlink ] text [ /url ] syntax (remove the spaces). For example, url=http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=182412postcount=12]this is a hyperlink

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