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I have been meditating on our heated discussions for the last couple of
hours, and have considered my possible role in the conflict. At the moment,
I am unsure if I should leave this list as I don't want to be a reason for
contention among Baha'is. When Susan said that
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On 31/12/2010 12:55 PM, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
I think Baha'is are only true Muslims.
So if Bahais are true Muslims what should Sunnis and Shias call themselves?
They can call themselves by their sect names, i.e. Sunni or Shia. As
they have not fully understood
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My contribution to the Great Debate:
The foundation of the Kingdom of God is laid upon justice, fairness, mercy,
sympathy and kindness to every soul. Then strive ye with heart and soul to
practice love and kindness to the world of humanity at large, except to those
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There is a proverb which states that a person finds whatever they are looking
for in religion. If they are looking for hate, they find hate. If they look
for love, they find love. If they are looking for superstitions that proves
how stupid religion is, they find
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I don't really enjoy Islam-Bahai polemics either but if someone says
something which seems disparaging, it is hard to let it by without comment.
Maybe if the group could agree to a clear set of guidelines for conduct (no
personal attacks, content should be relevant
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Bahais are probably the weakest, back-bone-less, and naive people on earth.
If you Bahais were children, you would be kidnapped and molested by a
predator off the street.
You don't know how to stand up for yourself against these deniers??
No wonder iranians and arabs
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So basically Ibn Ishaq agrees that Nakhlah was intended as a reconnaissance
mission.
Bahais, wake up already. Gilberto and Matt are just two examples, but
Muslims are on a reconnaissance mission here, have recruited others, and are
recruiting people here, to
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A direct reply [to the Zoroastrian Priest] and detailed explanation of this
matter would have overstepped the bounds of wisdom, inasmuch as people of
diverse faiths associate with the distinguished Sáhib and *a direct reply
would have contravened the laws of Islam*.
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I can let a lot of comments slide, and I have, but sometimes it just gets
too much (considering the Islamophobia that is current in Europe and the
U.S.) I am sure if a Baha'i were on a Muslim list, and someone started
saying things about the Baha'i Faith that
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Dear Matt, Gilberto
I for one appreciate your presence here. You demonstrate the best
ecumenical spirit, which does not involve soft-pedalling one's own
beliefs, but engaging in dialogue based on person to person respect.
Two of the Bahai members on this list have
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Sen is a liar, do not listen to him. He is an anti-Bahai recruited by
Muslims to cause dissention among Bahais and to spread superstitious dogma
about the Allah of Mohamed.
Sen, you don't know Bahai writings.
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A direct reply and detailed explanation of this matter would have
overstepped the bounds of wisdom, inasmuch as people of diverse faiths
associate with the distinguished Sáhib and a direct reply would have
contravened the laws of Islam. *The answer was therefore sent
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I for one appreciate your presence here. You demonstrate the best ecumenical
spirit, which does not involve soft-pedalling one's own beliefs, but
engaging in dialogue based on person to person respect.
So let me get this straight, Satan. You state that the
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Sent: 31 December 2010 06:26
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Subject: Re: nakhlah raid was Re: Stealth Jihad
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I find the idea of
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Khazeh sends with spellings checked this time. Please discard the last one
On Behalf Of Iskandar Hai, M.D.
Sent: 31 December 2010 06:26
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Dr Hai wrote:
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I find the idea of reconnaissance missions, in 624, quite amusing to say the
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Oh, that's interesting. Someone from Atlanta steals your stuff. You can't
find him. You just go and steal some stuff from a person who is traveling to
or from Atlanta.
The four months are regarded in a special category in Islam. Nether did
Muhammad abrogate the
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How about Hidden Words saying Treasure the companionship of the righteous
and eschew all fellowship with the ungodly. I don't think ungodly really
means atheist here.
Dear Firouz,
I don't think so either. Abdu'-Baha applied this passage to the
Covenant breakers.
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So you can't go on pilgrimage to Mecca. What's your point.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
iskandar@gmail.com wrote:
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يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلَا
يَقْرَبُوا الْمَسْجِدَ
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List purpose? Excuse me? What is the purpose of a Baha'i studies list? To
continue to hear from Gilberto that Islam is the last religion, Quran the
last word, and Muhammad the last prophet of God, again and again, and again?
Dear Iskandar,
I don't think it was
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Gilberto and Matt are just two examples, but
Muslims are on a reconnaissance mission here, have recruited others, and are
recruiting people here, to attack the Bahais where it hurts, from within.
If so, you are likely one of them.
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On 31/12/2010 10:42 PM, Susan Maneck wrote:
Can you consort with Jihadist or Shia ruling clerics of Iran
with spirit of joy and spirituality?
None of the Muslims here fit that category and they are the ones being
insulted.
I did not mean the Muslims in this Forum
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Abdu'l-Baha refers to this particular HW in one of his oral statements
quoted in Khatirat Habib, and says that it refers to the enemies of God.
The phrase enemies of God may include Covenant-breakers, but that's a
slippery slope (because as Firouz rightly says may then
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And the only thing I beg of Gilberto Simpson is that he should not provoke
simple and hopefully pure souls like me by writing *Haifan Baha’is* as in
his letter of December the 21st **Naison, I don't think you got what I
intended to say. Once you've chosen to be a
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Good job taking Baha'u'llah's statement out of context!
Let's look at the question Baha'u'llah was actually being asked:
“Among the Manifestations of the past one hath, in His time, allowed
the eating of beef while another hath forbidden it; one hath permitted
the
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I have been meditating on our heated discussions for the last couple of
hours, and have considered my possible role in the conflict. At the moment,
I am unsure if I should leave this list as I don't want to be a reason for
contention among Baha'is. When Susan said
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I do not think the solution is to expel Gilberto, but the moderator would do
well not to allow litanic discussions on the relationship between the Faith
and the Islam.
Dear Husayn,
Until discussions began to disintegrate recently, the recent
discussions about the
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No one would be there over Christmas break. I have left a message on
Mark's voice mail, however.
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Tim Nolan tnola...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Mark as usual, has been largely inaccessible.
Susan,
Have you tried
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I don't really enjoy Islam-Bahai polemics either but if someone says
something which seems disparaging, it is hard to let it by without comment.
Maybe if the group could agree to a clear set of guidelines for conduct (no
personal attacks, content should be
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. Would it be offensive to
say mainstream Bahais?
That's the phrase I prefer.
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You are trying to associate bahaism with Islam in the eyes of the public.
Islam is religion of the devil.
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That is the second time you mentioned the word, perennialism. What does
that concept mean? I am ignorant of it.
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Good job taking Baha'u'llah's statement out of
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there are the denominations 'Unitarian Bahai', 'Bahai UPC', 'Orthodox Baha'is',
and even 'free Baha'i' and 'Baha'i Faith reformed'.
such groups and individuals have created their own specific names. and kindly
leave the way open to us simply call ourselves Bahais :)
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That is the second time you mentioned the word, perennialism. What does
that concept mean? I am ignorant of it.
Dear Matt,
Perennialism shares with Progressive Revelation a belief in the
Oneness of Religion, but whereas Progressive Revelation holds that
humanity
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I don't have a problem with avoiding the phrase. It wasn't meant to be
provocative or insulting. But as an outsider to the conflicts between
different groups which all claim to follow
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Dear Susan,
Yes, I know that most organizations are not. My point was that the single word
Baha'i is easy to identify how the group of people who recognize and obey the
UHJ. but, well, it is a relative perception.
BUPC is the neal Chase's group, rigth? Is the alias
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Dear Susan,
Yes, I know that most are not organizations. My point was that the single word
Baha'i is easy to identify how the group of people who recognize and obey the
UHJ. but, well, it is a relative perception.
BUPC is the neal Chase's group, rigth? Is the alias
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BUPC is the neal Chase's group, rigth?
The BUPC has splintered into several groups since Leland Jensen died.
I think Neal Chase's group might be the largest.
Is the alias J.T. Lamb his?
That I don't know.
How many members does this group?
I don't think any of
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Here is the first part of my paper.
Baha’u’llah’s letters to Manakji Limji Hataria as found in the
Tabernacle of Unity1 represents a particularly significant work in the
Baha’i scriptures for a number of reasons. They represent one of the
few texts addressed to someone
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Manakji Limji Hataria was Parsi Zoroastrian who gave up a lucrative
career as a merchant to serve as the agent for the Persian
Amelioration Society that was established by Parsis in 1854 to assist
their Zoroastrian brethren in Iran. It has been suggested that Manakji
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Baha’u’llah revealed two major letterss in answer to Manakji’s
questions. The first letter is written at the level of general
principle and Baha’u’llah articulates the universality of his own
claims. Manakji, however, was dissatisfied because he did not feel
this letter
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non-Baha'is are going to require something more neutral. I can't use the term
covenant-breaker in an academic setting, for instance.
Susan,
Suppose there is a small group of people who called themselves chemists,
but they reject the periodic table of elements, and
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Calling Baha'is mainstream or Haifan, implies that there is some
validity to the covenant breakers claims.
I don't think mainstream implies that. I think it implies that at most
these other groups are offshoots.
And Happy Birthday on Monday!
Thanks.
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Personally I find mainstream Baha'is offensive too. There is only one group
of Baha'is and that is simply called Baha'is. Other groups should be called
covenant-breakers.
The problem Firouz, is
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