Re: [ir]rational answer question

2002-12-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 12:56:14AM -0600, The Fool wrote: > And yet most fractals including the mandelbrot set and electricity, > rely on the 'square root of -1', in fact i is very necessary for > electrical engineers. No, it is not necessary. But it is often expedient. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAI

Re: the real roots of arab anti-americanism

2002-12-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20021101faessay9993-p0/barry-rubin/the-real-roots-of-arab-anti-americanism.html "...The overall tally, in fact, is staggering: during the last half-century, in 11 of 12 major conflicts between Muslims and non-Muslims, Muslims

Re: [ir]rational answer question

2002-12-05 Thread The Fool
> From: Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > --- "Miller, Jeffrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Logic question: if an answer to a question relies on > > changing a principal axiom of the Universe, is the > > answer then irrational (or otherwise invalid)? Is the answer arrived at logically from

Re: What we cannot stand-smooth as she goes

2002-12-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [I wrote:] > > Partly because I find open conflict > very > > difficult - and disturbing - to deal with. [Duh.] > > As you can guess, I'm far different than that. I > cannot stand papering > over a problem, the dynamics of denial, etc. I've > seen

the real roots of arab anto-americanism

2002-12-05 Thread The Fool
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20021101faessay9993-p0/barry-rubin/the-real- roots-of-arab-anti-americanism.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: [ir]rational answer question

2002-12-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- "Miller, Jeffrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Logic question: if an answer to a question relies on > changing a principal axiom of the Universe, is the > answer then irrational (or otherwise invalid)? My grasp of formal logic is tentative at best, but I never understood why one should propose

RE: FC: Canada's high court says 5-4 that engineered mouse notpatentable (was Re: meeces)

2002-12-05 Thread Kevin Street
> After nearly 18 years of appeals up through the courts, the Supreme Court > of Canada today decided, in a 5-4 split, that a higher life form is not > patentable because it is not a "manufacture" or "composition of matter" > within the meaning of "invention" in the Patent Act. Harvard had been > t

Re: Open question to the list

2002-12-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Reggie Bautista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does a truly democratic society need police, or is > there some other, better > way to handle disruptive behavior and those who > behave disruptively? In a large open society, I think police will always be necessary because there will always be a

RE: List On The Brink?

2002-12-05 Thread Kevin Street
Nick Arnett wrote: > This should explain: > http://www.mccmedia.com/pipermail/brin-l/Week-of-Mon-20021118/004507.html It did, sadly enough. Thank you for the reply. All those personal attacks had to stop. I see now why you started moderating him. Let's hope he sees it soon. > But there are re

What we cannot stand-smooth as she goes

2002-12-05 Thread Dan Minette
A 2-fer response - Original Message - From: "Deborah Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Admin: Server Access Blocked > > However little 'our' pond is, though, what goes on in > it is important to 'us' (else why wo

Re: Admin: Server Access Blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:37:46PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > p.s. I have PMS -- how's *that* for a disclaimer? A more practical disclaimer than most that I've read... -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http:

Re: Admin: Server Access Blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Steve Sloan II
Deborah Harrell wrote: > Partly because I find open conflict very > difficult - and disturbing - to deal with. [Duh.] Me too. In the chat yesterday, I promised to write an email that would at least *attempt* to smooth things over. I've been working on it all day, and I'm still not satisified w

Re: Admin: Server Access Blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > K. Feete wrote: > > > Maybe it's just that between school and bad work > habits coming back on > > me and a truly incredible streak of bad luck I'm > closer to a nervous > > breakdown than I've ever been, > > Interesting preface for someone who goes on

Re: Admin: Server Access Blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:44:40PM -0500, K. Feete wrote: > > > Maybe it's just that between school and bad work habits coming back on > > me and a truly incredible streak of bad luck I'm closer to a nervous > > breakdown than I've ever been, > > Interesting preface for so

Re: Admin: Server Access Blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:44:40PM -0500, K. Feete wrote: > Maybe it's just that between school and bad work habits coming back on > me and a truly incredible streak of bad luck I'm closer to a nervous > breakdown than I've ever been, Interesting preface for someone who goes on to offer advice...

Re: Stag Film Serenade

2002-12-05 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Erik Reuter wrote: > How can you take a film originally shot in 2D and show it in 3D? For 3D, > you need a parallax view of some sort, two cameras or a special camera. > > Marvin, you'll have to go and report back. You have your assignment... Not that I'm averse to the assign

Re: Stag Film Serenade

2002-12-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 01:30:01PM +1000, Russell Chapman wrote: > Erik Reuter wrote: > > >How can you take a film originally shot in 2D and show it in 3D? For 3D, > >you need a parallax view of some sort, two cameras or a special camera. > > > I have a very vague recollection about some of these

Re: logic Vs faith

2002-12-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=26483 > > True believers are incapable or coming to correct > logical conclusions. Kneem, you keep insisting on equating fundamentalists with "all believers" - that is not logical! ;) Imaginary Numbers

Re: Admin: Server Access Blocked

2002-12-05 Thread K. Feete
Alberto Monteiro wrote: >I begin to understand why Jeroen was singled-out to >be the victim-of-the-day. Some reasons are obvious: >he *was* a listowner, so our meme of challenge >authority took control. Others are subtle. > >And his behaviour in the past days, with mailbombing, >lawsuits, a

Re: world-mart: how wal-mart is destroying the economy and remakingthe world

2002-12-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Russell Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quote:Wal-Mart is now the world's biggest > corporation, having passed > ExxonMobil for the top slot... > Setting aside for a moment all the issues raised by > this report, it > makes one wonder a bit about the future. Will > government at some

Re: Stag Film Serenade

2002-12-05 Thread Russell Chapman
Erik Reuter wrote: How can you take a film originally shot in 2D and show it in 3D? For 3D, you need a parallax view of some sort, two cameras or a special camera. I have a very vague recollection about some of these being done in 3-D using red-blue separation. At one point in the 70s it was c

Re: 'Trek' boldly beams down

2002-12-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 'Trek' boldly beams down > > LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Watch out for Klingons > on the starboard bow -- > the Starship Enterprise is landing in London's Hyde > Park. > > Fans of the cult science fiction saga will be in > seventh heaven with

Re: meeces

2002-12-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick Arnett wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/04/coolsc.coolsc.mousegenome/ > > > > > > When it comes to DNA, it turns out there's not > that much difference between mice and men. > > > Mice and humans each have about 30,000 genes, > yet o

Re: For your entertainment, Re: Assumptions

2002-12-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 11:51 PM 12/5/02 +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: So that brings us on to the toilet. It has to be installed into more or less the space where the old toilet was, only now it is a hanging toilet I'm not sure what you mean by a "hanging toilet" . . . can you amplify? that is pla

Re: Open question to the list

2002-12-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:13 PM 12/5/02 +0100, J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 08:46 05-12-2002 -0800, Adam Lipscomb wrote: Nick, I think, has de facto authority over the list, due to the fact that he is providing the hosting, and it's on his equipment, with software he owns. That does not give him authority over the

Re: Ouch! (was RE: Open question to the list)

2002-12-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 11:12 AM 12/5/02 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Miller, Jeffrey ... > Police have important social roles as well as law-enforcement. I > was pleasently surprised this morning to see a motorcycle cop >

Re: Why the metric system is wrong

2002-12-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The metric system wrong? That is heresy, heresy I > tell ya! > http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/12/02/alder.measure/index.html > > There is a message of hope near the end of the > article, though: > > "Eventually, he says, Americans wil

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Gary Nunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: RE: Admin: Server access blocked > > Speaking of childish, isn't doing more than tit-for-tat (i.e., rejecting > > each one back to him just once) childish

Re: nuts

2002-12-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Kneem wrote] >http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s734326.htm > > > Nuts lower diabetes risk, not fattening > Thursday, 28 November 2002 > Nuts can dramatically reduce your risks of > developing type 2 diabetes > > Eating nuts substantially lower

Fwd: FC: Canada's high court says 5-4 that engineered mouse not patentable (was Re: meeces)

2002-12-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:27:03 -0500 To: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Jason Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Harvard can't patent mice in Canada Declan, After nearly 18 years of appeals up through the courts, the Supreme Court of Canada today decided, in a 5-4 split, that a high

Re: Stag Film Serenade

2002-12-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 05:05:27PM -0600, Marvin Long, Jr. wrote: > requisite gritty wah-wah guitar licks 100% LIVE IN THE THEATER! And > if that weren't enough, our very first feature of this series is > also in 3-D! That's right, 3-D!, and the third- dimension has never > been so amply filled

Re: List On The Brink?

2002-12-05 Thread Steve Sloan II
Kevin Street wrote: > Okay, what the hell is going on? For various reasons, I > haven't been reading Brin-L much lately, but today I came > back and scanned through the messages, only to find that > Jeroen has become some kind of Typhoid Mary who has to be > censored from the list for its own prot

Re: bread

2002-12-05 Thread Russell Chapman
The Fool wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns3144 Eating too much refined bread and cereal, rather than chocolate and greasy foods, may be the culprit behind the pimples that plague many a youngster. If it turns out that I spurned chocolate and chips (fries for you USAns)

Re: bread

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
The Fool wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns3144 Eating too much refined bread and cereal, rather than chocolate and greasy foods, may be the culprit behind the pimples that plague many a youngster. Very intersting. So after the connection between diet and pimples has b

bread

2002-12-05 Thread The Fool
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns3144 Eating too much refined bread and cereal, rather than chocolate and greasy foods, may be the culprit behind the pimples that plague many a youngster. That is the theory of a team led by Loren Cordain, an evolutionary biologist at Colorado Sta

RE: List On The Brink?

2002-12-05 Thread Nick Arnett
This should explain: http://www.mccmedia.com/pipermail/brin-l/Week-of-Mon-20021118/004507.html But there are reasons to be hopeful that things will soon be back to more-or-less normal. Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL

Re: Adam: Sandler access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/5/2002 3:44:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Who Will Be Our Napoleon? > And who will be the Beef Wellington? William Taylor - Oh for the younger Woody ___ http://www.mccmedia

List On The Brink?

2002-12-05 Thread Kevin Street
Okay, what the hell is going on? For various reasons, I haven't been reading Brin-L much lately, but today I came back and scanned through the messages, only to find that Jeroen has become some kind of Typhoid Mary who has to be censored from the list for its own protection, or something. It isn't

Fred Haber, RIP

2002-12-05 Thread Nick Arnett
My wife just called to tell me that one of our favorite people from church, Fred Haber, died this afternoon. None of you probably know who he is, and I'm not sure if you'll find his name in any histories of the space program, but Fred was the launch control officer at Vandenberg and other places f

Re: For your entertainment, Re: Assumptions

2002-12-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: > So lucky for us there is this very nice new stuff on the market with very > nice rubber fittings that make it possible for any laymen to puzzle a > suitable and airtight PVC pipeform together without having to glue the > stuff. I loved doing that... I mean that

Re: For your entertainment, Re: Assumptions

2002-12-05 Thread Russell Chapman
Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: 2) We'd like to keep the original waste pipe in place, just in case we'd have to move and they are demanding restoring the old situation. Um - are you leasing/renting this place? I'd always assumed from the sheer amount of hard work (not mentioning expense) th

Re: Scouted: Punch reviving on the net

2002-12-05 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/5/2002 1:50:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Punch, the 161-year-old satirical magazine that closed down earlier this > year, is being reborn on the Web. Ah, memories. I used to have 20 bound volumes of it. One being a Volume Twenty with 3/4 of

RE: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Gary Nunn
> Speaking of childish, isn't doing more than tit-for-tat (i.e., rejecting > each one back to him just once) childish? :) Wouldn't it be a lot more > effective to set up some sort of system that just bounces everything he > sends you back to him, so you never have to worry about it after setting

Stag Film Serenade

2002-12-05 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
>From our local independent movie theater, this ad is too good not to share... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:35:55 -0600 Subject: Alamo Drafthouse Showtimes and events 12/06/02 [snip] SWINGING STAG NIGHT! vintage 70's stag films - live sound effects! DISCO DO

For your entertainment, Re: Assumptions

2002-12-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Russell Chapman wrote: > Russell Chapman wrote: > > >> Sonja > >> GCU smileys are our friends > >> > > And that's the best news I've heard all day... I'd hate to miss out on > > your next plumbing adventure. I'm waiting to hear that having sorted > > out the water supply, the drains are all broken

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Richard Baker
Debbi said: > I just got TEN of these in a row - what is going on? Some might view it as a mailing list equivalent of the French Revolution. Others may well consider it escalating childishness. Rich GCU Who Will Be Our Napoleon? ___ http://www.mccmed

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- "Adam C. Lipscomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: Admin: Server access blocked I just got TEN of these in a row - what is going on? I realize that

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
I wrote: > That should be "lose," of course. Darn that Nyarlathotep. Erik replied: Darn that WHAT? I can't find it in my dictionary. Maybe I'm missing a play on words? Nyarlathotep is one of the "elder gods," along with Cthulhu and others, in the stories of H. P. Lovecraft. In a message wit

Re: analogies are evil, why they must be eradicated

2002-12-05 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/5/2002 11:36:54 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Every analogy is flawed > > All generalities are false. :-) > All generals who flaunt their falsies are anal. [Gee.] William Taylor - Logic server blocked. _

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Julia Thompson
"Adam C. Lipscomb" wrote: > > Please accept my apologies for this - I have started sending at least > 5 replies to Jeroen for every spam I get, and he has apparently, > through a simple (and childish) trick, ensured they come to the list > as a whole. Speaking of childish, isn't doing more than t

RE: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Horn, John
> From: J. van Baardwijk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >But what about attempts to hack the server? > > That is something that happened *only* because Arnett > willingly violated > list policy again, so he has no right to take any action > against me anyway. Isn't that a bit like saying tha

Tails as the newest 'fashion fad'?, Re: meeces

2002-12-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Erik Reuter wrote: > I wouldn't mind having a *prehensile* tail. A useless drooping one > wouldn't be so useful, though. It could be the newest fashion statement however. Comparing ta ... oops ... ah well. Let's not go there. Sonja ___ http://www.mcc

RE: Ouch! (was RE: Open question to the list)

2002-12-05 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
> -Original Message- > From: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:12 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Ouch! (was RE: Open question to the list) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > You are a very evil person... I try, thank you. [blinks innocently] > My point is that it's not fair to ban Jeroen without > the consent about the list rules. We didn't agree to > what would be the list rules, and which was the minimum > set of

Scouted: The new Two Towers Trailer

2002-12-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
Is available online at: http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/the_two_towers-teaser/ It's even available for download, although you need apple Quicktime to play it. :-) Jon VFP We Live For The One, We Die For The wait, wrong universe. ___ http://www.

Scouted: Punch reviving on the net

2002-12-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,7496,853847,00.html Punch, the 161-year-old satirical magazine that closed down earlier this year, is being reborn on the Web. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
"Adam C. Lipscomb" wrote: > Please accept my apologies for this - I have started sending at least > 5 replies to Jeroen for every spam I get, and he has apparently, > through a simple (and childish) trick, ensured they come to the list > as a whole. I don't think it was intended as a trick. And

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Steve Sloan II
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 11:42:31AM -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: > > That should be "lose," of course. Darn that Nyarlathotep. Erik Reuter wrote: > Darn that WHAT? I can't find it in my dictionary. Maybe > I'm missing a play on words? Nyarlathotep was the name of a chaotic god-like character f

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Erik wondered: > On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 11:42:31AM -0600, Reggie > Bautista wrote: > > That should be "lose," of course. Darn that > > Nyarlathotep. > Darn that WHAT? I can't find it in my dictionary. > Maybe I'm missing a play on words? http://www.deliverance.mcmail.com/lovecraft/nyarl

RE: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
> -Original Message- > From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Admin: Server access blocked > > > On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 11:42:31AM -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: > > That should be "lose," of cour

RE: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
> -Original Message- > From: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:32 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Admin: Server access blocked > > > >From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Admin: Server access blocked > >Date: Thu,

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 11:42:31AM -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: > That should be "lose," of course. Darn that Nyarlathotep. Darn that WHAT? I can't find it in my dictionary. Maybe I'm missing a play on words? -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ __

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Admin: Server access blocked Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:52:47 -0600 - Original Message - From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Admin: Server access blocked > Dan Minette wro

Ouch! (was RE: Open question to the list)

2002-12-05 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Miller, Jeffrey ... > Police have important social roles as well as law-enforcement. I > was pleasently surprised this morning to see a motorcycle cop > helping a man to change a tire on I-5 (instead

RE: Open question to the list

2002-12-05 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
> -Original Message- > From: Reggie Bautista [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 08:15 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Open question to the list > > > Nick wrote: > >I'm always open to suggestions on how to make > >the difficult trade-off between list g

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > Dan Minette wrote: > > > >> Why was he suspended in the first place? AFAIK, > >> it was for some reason that *did* have a precedent > >> before, from other people. > > > > Who else has repeatedly posted offline email in its entireity? > > > Jeroen. > > And wtf does the

Re: Open question to the list

2002-12-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: > > I'm wondering if we need to set up a three or five > person committee (perhaps with rotating membership) to > deal with stuff like this. Either elected or > volunteer membership would do, but I'd nominate > Alberto for sure. > Takeover Plan Part Three - comp

Re: analogies are evil, why they must be eradicated

2002-12-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:35 PM Subject: analogies are evil, why they must be eradicated > Every analogy is flawed All generalities are false. :-) Dan M.

analogies are evil, why they must be eradicated

2002-12-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Reggie Bautista wrote: > >> If there's no law against drinking alchool, then >> there's no law against getting drunk > > This is a flawed analogy. > Every analogy is flawed Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

[ir]rational answer question

2002-12-05 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
Logic question: if an answer to a question relies on changing a principal axiom of the Universe, is the answer then irrational (or otherwise invalid)? -j- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Toilets! Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the goodside

2002-12-05 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 12/5/2002 9:16:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Subj: Re: Toilets! Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, thegood side > Date: 12/5/2002 9:16:40 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: Ronn! Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PRO

Re: [azipa] Techno Dance Itch

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
Bill Nash wrote: Battery powered, multi-channel FM transmitters (Radio Shack, ~$20) Battery powered portable FM sport radio (yellow) in compact headset style, or wristband belt clip. (Radio Shack, ~$20). Going low tech because high tech is overkill: Priceless. DOH! Why didn't I think of this!

RE: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Nick Arnett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro ... > > My point is that it's not fair to ban Jeroen without > the consent about the list rules. We didn't agree to > what would be the list rules, and which was the minimum > set of

Re: Open question to the list

2002-12-05 Thread William T Goodall
on 5/12/02 4:14 pm, Reggie Bautista at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Does a truly democratic society need police, or is there some other, better > way to handle disruptive behavior and those who behave disruptively? Slap drone them. -- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wtgab.demon.c

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Admin: Server access blocked > Dan Minette wrote: > > > >> Why was he suspended in the first place? AFAIK, > >> it was for some reason that *d

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
I wrote: If I make a really big mistake and cause a customer to loose several thousand dollars worth of business, I could get seriously reprimanded or possibly even fired. That should be "lose," of course. Darn that Nyarlathotep. This, by the way, would count as a really small mistake. :-) M

Re: [azipa] Techno Dance Itch

2002-12-05 Thread Bill Nash
Battery powered, multi-channel FM transmitters (Radio Shack, ~$20) Battery powered portable FM sport radio (yellow) in compact headset style, or wristband belt clip. (Radio Shack, ~$20). Going low tech because high tech is overkill: Priceless. - billn On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Trent Shipley wrote: >

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
Sorry, I meant to include this in my previous email but it got deleted somehow. Alberto wrote: Jeroen's behavious was no different than any other listmember, except for magnitude or intensity. But magnitude and intensity make all the difference. Many U.S. cities have noise ordinances. With so

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Alberto wrote: > Jeroen's behavious was no different than any other > listmember, except for magnitude or intensity. > If there's no law against drinking alchool, then > there's no law against getting drunk That's true, but, at least in the US, there are laws against being drunk & disorderly i

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
Alberto wrote: If there's no law against drinking alchool, then there's no law against getting drunk This is a flawed analogy. In the U.S. at least, there's no law against drinking alcohol, and no law against getting drunk, but there are laws against driving while drunk and many jurisdictions ha

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Dan Minette wrote: > >> Why was he suspended in the first place? AFAIK, >> it was for some reason that *did* have a precedent >> before, from other people. > > Who else has repeatedly posted offline email in its entireity? > Jeroen. And wtf does the list have to worry about something th

RE: Aceing up?

2002-12-05 Thread Ritu Ko
Dan Minette wrote: > > PS - Apologies for all those repeated messages guys. My > Outlook seems to > > be acing up. > > If it were just acing up, we'd only get one message. I'd > argue that it was > treying up. :-) :P Ritu GCU Acting Up ___ http

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Admin: Server access blocked > Reggie Bautista wrote: > > > >> And his behaviour in the past days, with mailbombing, > >> lawsuits, and forged

SCOUTED: Nigerian Scam and Cthulhu

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
This week, User Friendly (a great on-line comic strip) has had Cthulhu responding to the "Nigerian 419 Scam." It's pretty funny. The first strip is at http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20021202 and just click "next cartoon" for all of the subsequent ones. Reggie Bautista Let's hope Nyarl

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Ritu Ko wrote: > > PS - Apologies for all those repeated messages guys. > My Outlook seems to be acing up. > No problem. The server will block any repeated message. Or not? O:-) Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/br

Re: Open question to the list

2002-12-05 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Reggie wrote: > I'd like to pose an open question to the list. I'm > interested in responses that apply to governance in > general, and also specifically to our current > situation re: Jeroen. *snip* > Does a truly democratic society need police, or is > there some other, better way to h

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Reggie Bautista wrote: > >> And his behaviour in the past days, with mailbombing, >> lawsuits, and forged headers, make him a very >> tasty target! Who's better to be harassed as someone >> who screams and shouts? > > So you don't think there should be consequences for > his actions? > Y

Aceing up?

2002-12-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Ritu Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:21 AM Subject: RE: Admin: Server access blocked > PS - Apologies for all those repeated messages guys. My Outlook seems to > be acing up. If it were just acing up, we'd o

RE: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Ritu Ko
Dan Minette wrote: > 2) You could start a good discussion with that 100k exposition on the > morality of pacifism that you've been owning me. . And which one would that be? All I can see in my drafts folder is an unfinished 11k mail on a war that looks nigh inevitable. :) And since it took

Open question to the list

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
Nick wrote: I'm always open to suggestions on how to make the difficult trade-off between list governance and free-ranging discussion, self-determination as a group, etc. First, let me state on-list as I did privately in an email to Nick and Julia that I support their decision. In response to

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
Alberto wrote: My point is that it's not fair to ban Jeroen without the consent about the list rules. We didn't agree to what would be the list rules, and which was the minimum set of restraint that listmembers should show before being suspended And even 40 messages per day can't be considered m

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
Richard Baker wrote: My worst case scenario involves giant asteroids, gamma ray bursts, all-out nuclear exchanges, plague, famine, brain-eating zombie infestations, leaves on the line, and Steps reforming. Have you been hacking into my home pc and reading my new novel? :-) Reggie Bautista GSV N

Re: rain

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
On Thursday 05 December 2002 04:01 am, The Fool wrote: > Suppose you wanted to calculate the time it would take an even consistent > rainfall over the entire surface of the earth to raise the sea level > above the level of Mt. Everest (+5 miles or so), what would you need to > know about rainfall,

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
Alberto wrote: I begin to understand why Jeroen was singled-out to be the victim-of-the-day. Some reasons are obvious: he *was* a listowner, so our meme of challenge authority took control. Others are subtle. And his behaviour in the past days, with mailbombing, lawsuits, and forged headers, make

Re: Techno Dance Itch

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
Trent Shipley wrote: Yeah. Well that's not quite _it_. The crucial feature is being able to *group* the receiver appliances into groups. Russell Chapman replied: I *think* that's what these systems do. Some hear only the backing track (ie the filler stuff not being played by anyone on stage

Re: meeces

2002-12-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Reggie Bautista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:58 AM Subject: RE: meeces > In talking about humans with prehensile tails, Marvin wrote: > > >To hell with fashion. Porn! > > Kinda brings a whole new meaning to

RE: meeces

2002-12-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
In talking about humans with prehensile tails, Marvin wrote: To hell with fashion. Porn! Kinda brings a whole new meaning to "getting some tail..." Reggie Bautista Ducking very quickly Maru _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 a

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
"Marvin Long, Jr." wrote: > >> PS: I am _also_ a meme-stereotype. If everybody is >> against Jeroen, then I must stand to be the Defender >> of the Lost Cause :-) > > Does that mean you don't actually disagree with > Nick's decision, but are only protesting pro forma > in your role as

RE: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Ritu Ko
unsubscribe jeroen-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Admin: Server access blocked

2002-12-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Ritu Ko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: RE: Admin: Server access blocked > > Rich wrote: > > > unsubscribe jeroen-l > > Me too. > Two comments on this: 1) Why doesn't Jerone start up his own ver

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