Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Martin Lewis
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:31:33 -0600, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, children are clearly capable of being sex workers. The trade in child prostitution shows that. Children are also clearly capable of being soldiers or coal miners too. This doesn't mean it's a good idea, but

RE: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread JDG
At 05:33 PM 11/29/2004 +1100 Andrew Paul wrote: I guess my issue is when people want things banned. People can object to policies all they like, but when they want them banned, and others do not, it becomes more of a concern. Does that include non-denominational prayer in public schools? JDG

Hatred (was Re: So it begins.... )

2004-11-29 Thread Nick Arnett
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Actually, Timothy Noah from Slate, who absolutely hates George Bush, I'm curious about this. I don't read Slate much, never heard of Timothy Noah until just now. Is this a guy who writes things like, I hate Bush, or is his hatred something you infer from his writings?

Won what? (was Re: So it begins....)

2004-11-29 Thread Nick Arnett
JDG wrote: Again, the only conclusion I can draw from using loaded language like so it begins is that religious conservatives either shouldn't be allowed to participate in the political process, or that if they are, they shouldn't ever be allowed to actually *win* and maybe enact some portions of

Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 4:49 AM Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:31:33 -0600, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, children

Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:16 AM Subject: RE: More hypocrisy on display than skin From: Ritu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, after reading one of the mails in this thread

Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Martin Lewis
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:35:37 -0600, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point that was made was not, since children are not allowed to participate in prostitution, there is something wrong with it. The point is that it isn't just one more job. Being a soldier isn't just one more

RE: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Ritu
Andrew Paul wrote: LOL, yes, you are well known for your callousness, you are clearly blessed with a heart of stone! *g* You do say the nicest things to a girl. :) I get the feeling we are all being armchair experts here. It would be best if we listened to one who had some experience

Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:35:37 -0600, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point that

Related question on free choice

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
Discussions of free choice and not making judgement on the health or wisdom of those choices reminds me of my wife's master thesis. Let us consider women who return to their abusers after being at a shelter for battered women. Is that just a healthy free choice? (And, for arguements sake, let

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 28, 2004, at 9:32 PM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 28, 2004, at 12:39 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: And Warren, that sort of altitude is not going to win you any arguments, and in fact invalidates any sort of rational argument you with to present. Not when

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 28, 2004, at 9:54 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: I find it striking that when the victims of bigotry start using the same language as the bigots, we're told shame on you or to ramp back the rhetoric, as though it's poor form for us to defend ourselves. I don't even buy the you're no better

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 29, 2004, at 6:01 AM, JDG wrote: At 05:33 PM 11/29/2004 +1100 Andrew Paul wrote: I guess my issue is when people want things banned. People can object to policies all they like, but when they want them banned, and others do not, it becomes more of a concern. Does that include

Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 29, 2004, at 7:56 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Ritu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I get the feeling we are all being armchair experts here. It would be best if we listened to one who had some experience in such matters. I have no doubt there are women (and perhaps men) who are pushed into

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Richard Baker
Warren said: BTW, what precisely is a non-denominational prayer? The sort of thing that wouldn't look out of place in the Orange Catholic Bible? Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:42 AM Subject: Re: So it begins Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time On Nov 28, 2004, at 9:32 PM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 29, 2004, at 10:06 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 28, 2004, at 9:32 PM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 28, 2004, at 12:39 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: And Warren, that sort of altitude is not going to win you any

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 28, 2004, at 5:56 PM, JDG wrote: At 02:39 PM 11/28/2004 -0500 Damon Agretto wrote: So what begins?More demonization of Christians? Sometimes I think that for all the talk about religious tolerance, that some people believe that Christians really shouldn't be permitted to participate

Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:52:03AM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Nov 29, 2004, at 7:56 AM, Dan Minette wrote: My wife worked with strippers as part of her work with incest survivors. That convinced me to not go to strip joints. Not because it was immoral because seeing semi-naked women

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: So it begins Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time If these clowns love Jesus so much, I see nothing wrong with sending

Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin On Nov 29, 2004, at 7:56 AM, Dan Minette wrote: So far you haven't supplied contrary

Re: Won what? (was Re: So it begins....)

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Won what? (was Re: So it begins) JDG wrote: Again, the only conclusion I can draw from using loaded language like so it begins

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 28, 2004, at 4:03 PM, William T Goodall wrote: But he also apparently said I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them. It's not quite a Yogi Berra-ism, but deep, very deep. Reminds me of a bumper sticker: Don't believe everything you think. Dave And what

RE: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of Gary Nunn snip Cass wants a U.S. Supreme Court that will outlaw abortion and gay marriage. Do you want to take your children to a National League baseball game for instance and have homosexuals showing affection to one another? I don't want my kids to see that, he said. For

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 29, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: I advocate neutralizing the cancer before it spreads. Beware: to hyped-up religious zealots, *you* are a cancer that needs to be neutralized before it spreads. To hyped-up anti-religious fanatics, hyped-up religious zealots are the cancer.

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 29, 2004, at 10:42 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] If these clowns love Jesus so much, I see nothing wrong with sending them to meet him immediately. Whoops, I mis-read. You said something about killing Christians. So, that's OK? It appears so. I don't

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 29, 2004, at 9:26 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Nov 29, 2004, at 10:06 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 28, 2004, at 9:32 PM, Dan Minette wrote: I didn't say anything about killing atheists, Dan. Yes you did: If these clowns love Jesus so much, I see

Over 100 whales and dolphins beach themselves

2004-11-29 Thread Travis Edmunds
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3112708a12,00.html 30 November 2004 SYDNEY: More than 100 whales and dolphins have died in two separate beachings in 24 hours on remote Australian islands, leaving rescuers struggling to steer survivors out to sea and prevent more strandings. As the death

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Richard Baker
Warren said: The words clearly talk about removing these clowns from the mortal coil. That's correct. It's called a pre-emptive strike. I think it is, rather, called inflammatory, stupid and counterproductive. No matter how opposed to religion you might be, I don't think that killing

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: Re: So it begins Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time On Nov 29, 2004, at 10:42 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa

Re: Ancient Mayan Canals?

2004-11-29 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ancient Mayan Canals? Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:33:21 -0800 Folks, On Nov 17, 2004, at 4:06 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote:

Re: What can you not buy on Amazon?

2004-11-29 Thread Julia Thompson
Or target.com? http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/602-2137132-8177436?asin=0823916839 Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:00 PM Subject: Re: So it begins Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time Warren said: The words clearly talk about removing these clowns from the

Re: Ancient Mayan Canals?

2004-11-29 Thread Dave Land
Travis, I'm lost in the memories of the place. Thanks, Travis! Hey, that's what I'm here for! -Travis water boy Edmunds Anyway, on a serious note - do you do much travelling? Not really. This was quite a while ago, before our first son was born, and it was quite outside our normal range of

Re: What can you not buy on Amazon?

2004-11-29 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 29, 2004, at 11:19 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: Or target.com? http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/602-2137132-8177436? asin=0823916839 Someone's getting fired. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Damon Agretto
That's not what you are doing. You posts indicate an embracing of the evil that was behind the murder of Matthew Shephard as your guiding light. Maybe the posts don't accurately reflect your mindset, all I have are words on a screen...but killing people because you believe they think the

Re: What can you not buy on Amazon?

2004-11-29 Thread Damon Agretto
Someone's getting fired. Or fried...or maybe lightly baked...yes, lightly baked... Damon :P = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building:

RE: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Julia Thompson
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Andrew Paul wrote: I get the feeling we are all being armchair experts here. It would be best if we listened to one who had some experience in such matters. I have no doubt there are women (and perhaps men) who are pushed into prostitution, either by force, or by

Re: What can you not buy on Amazon?

2004-11-29 Thread kerri miller
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or target.com? http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/602-2137132-8177436?asin=0823916839 I prefer the South American River variety, if only for the reviews: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0823916839/

Re: What can you not buy on Amazon?

2004-11-29 Thread kerri miller
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 29, 2004, at 11:19 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: Or target.com? http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/602-2137132-8177436? asin=0823916839 Someone's getting fired. The person saved their job by making a twinkies and doritos run for us.

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Richard Baker
Dan said: I missed seeing a word, here, Rich, but I'm guessing you agree with it. Lynching people for esposuing bad ideas is also wrong, isn't it? Or, is that a word you just eschew, preferring to call actions like rapes and murder stupid and counterproductive instead of wrong. Well, yes:

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 29 Nov 2004, at 9:24 pm, Richard Baker wrote: Rich VFP Battlestar Galactica Break That was a good episode! And those evil religious Cylons! And the thing about Baltar, and his tics, twitches and muttering is that when you see an interview with James Callis who plays him you realise he is

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Richard Baker
William said: That was a good episode! And those evil religious Cylons! And the thing about Baltar, and his tics, twitches and muttering is that when you see an interview with James Callis who plays him you realise he is actually *toning it down* to play the part! Yes, it was good. The

Battlestar Galactica (was: So it begins....)

2004-11-29 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of Richard Baker snip Watch it! This doesn't show over on this side of the pond until January! No spoilers now! - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Battlestar Galactica Was: Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 29 Nov 2004, at 9:46 pm, Richard Baker wrote: [For the benefit of foreigners:] S P O I L E R A L E R T S P O I L E R A L E R T I have no idea what the point of the Cylon-occupied Caprica thread is though. It gets us Boomer in the sun as well as Boomer in the Battlestar. Twice as much Grace

Re: Battlestar Galactica (was: So it begins....)

2004-11-29 Thread Richard Baker
John H said: Watch it! This doesn't show over on this side of the pond until January! No spoilers now! I know, and I am trying to remain spoiler-free. Although one thing that William said might be construed as a spoiler, I'm not entirely sure what it's spoiling as it is still vague and

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 29, 2004, at 11:27 AM, Dave Land wrote: That's correct. It's called a pre-emptive strike. Actually, it's called murder. Welcome to death row. No, it's called war. And I'm not the one bringing it on, remember? -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books

Re: What can you not buy on Amazon?

2004-11-29 Thread Julia Thompson
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, kerri miller wrote: --- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 29, 2004, at 11:19 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: Or target.com? http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/602-2137132-8177436? asin=0823916839 Someone's getting fired. The person saved

Re: Battlestar Galactica Was: Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Richard Baker
William said: [For the benefit of foreigners...] S P O I L E R A L E R T S P O I L E R A L E R T [...some of whom I bet will read this anyway] I have no idea what the point of the Cylon-occupied Caprica thread is though. It gets us Boomer in the sun as well as

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 29, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoops, I mis-read. You said something about killing Christians. So, that's OK? It appears so. I don't advocate killing Christians, just bigots. There are enough of them in the world already. We don't need

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 29, 2004, at 10:57 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Nov 29, 2004, at 11:27 AM, Dave Land wrote: That's correct. It's called a pre-emptive strike. Actually, it's called murder. Welcome to death row. No, it's called war. And I'm not the one bringing it on, remember? Regardless of my feelings

RE: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Andrew Paul
From: JDG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:33 PM 11/29/2004 +1100 Andrew Paul wrote: I guess my issue is when people want things banned. People can object to policies all they like, but when they want them banned, and others do not, it becomes more of a concern. Does that include

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: Re: So it begins Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time On Nov 29, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa

RE: WHAT? Five dead in deer hunting dispute

2004-11-29 Thread ChadCooper
-Original Message- From: Gary Nunn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 3:34 AM To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' Subject: WHAT? Five dead in deer hunting dispute This sounds the like the beginning to a really, really bad You might be a redneck if joke. The most

RE: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get the feeling we are all being armchair experts here. It would be best if we listened to one who had some experience in such matters. I have no doubt there are women (and perhaps men) who are pushed into

RE: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Ritu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrew Paul wrote: LOL, yes, you are well known for your callousness, you are clearly blessed with a heart of stone! *g* You do say the nicest things to a girl. :) Always glad to oblige :) I get the feeling we are all being armchair

Re: Deficits and the falling dollar

2004-11-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 06:15:57PM +1100, Andrew Paul wrote: I am sure you are right. It was more the sort of butterfly effect I was thinking about. Well, if damage to the Fed is between a butterfly flapping its wings in Colombia vs. China launching an ICBM targeted for DC, I'll place my bet

Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 29, 2004, at 10:45 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 29, 2004, at 7:56 AM, Dan Minette wrote: So far you haven't supplied contrary evidence. In fact you've supplied nothing at all except, at best, hearsay. Ah, if I haven't talked to the women myself, by

Re: Battlestar Galactica Was: Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 29 Nov 2004, at 10:26 pm, Richard Baker wrote: William said: [For the benefit of foreigners...] S P O I L E R A L E R T S P O I L E R A L E R T [...some of whom I bet will read this anyway] [...and then regret it bitterly] I have no idea what the point of the Cylon-occupied Caprica thread is

Re: Won what? (was Re: So it begins....)

2004-11-29 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 29, 2004, at 10:47 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] JDG wrote: Again, the only conclusion I can draw from using loaded language like so it begins is that religious conservatives either shouldn't be allowed to participate in the political process, or that if they

RE: Over 100 whales and dolphins beach themselves

2004-11-29 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Travis Edmunds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SYDNEY: More than 100 whales and dolphins have died in two separate beachings in 24 hours on remote Australian islands, leaving rescuers struggling to steer survivors out to sea and prevent more strandings. snip The immediate focus for

Re: WHAT? Five dead in deer hunting dispute

2004-11-29 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 29, 2004, at 2:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There may have been racial slurs flying along with the bullets. I mean, if I was being hunted down by a psychopath cambodian sharpshooter in the woods, I think I might use a few choice words like You crazy fu*in' Cambodian! Stop shooting at

Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin So, lets add a year and say she was 16, and able to work in a coal mine. Would it be reasonable

Re: Won what? (was Re: So it begins....)

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Won what? (was Re: So it begins) On Nov 29, 2004, at 10:47 AM, Dan Minette wrote: From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: More hypocrisy on display than skin

2004-11-29 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Andrew Paul wrote: I get the feeling we are all being armchair experts here. It would be best if we listened to one who had some experience in such matters. I have no doubt there are women (and perhaps men) who are

Re: WHAT? Five dead in deer hunting dispute

2004-11-29 Thread William T Goodall
On 29 Nov 2004, at 11:46 pm, Dave Land wrote: On Nov 29, 2004, at 2:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There may have been racial slurs flying along with the bullets. I mean, if I was being hunted down by a psychopath cambodian sharpshooter in the woods, I think I might use a few choice words like

Re: WHAT? Five dead in deer hunting dispute

2004-11-29 Thread John Garcia
He *is* Hmong. john On Nov 29, 2004, at 7:13 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 29 Nov 2004, at 11:46 pm, Dave Land wrote: On Nov 29, 2004, at 2:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There may have been racial slurs flying along with the bullets. I mean, if I was being hunted down by a psychopath

RE: WHAT? Five dead in deer hunting dispute

2004-11-29 Thread Gary Nunn
There may have been racial slurs flying along with the bullets. I mean, if I was being hunted down by a psychopath cambodian sharpshooter in the woods, I think I might use a few choice words like You crazy fu*in' Cambodian! Stop shooting at me! as the bullets are flying by. You are

Re: WHAT? Five dead in deer hunting dispute

2004-11-29 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 29, 2004, at 4:46 PM, Dave Land wrote: On Nov 29, 2004, at 2:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There may have been racial slurs flying along with the bullets. I mean, if I was being hunted down by a psychopath cambodian sharpshooter in the woods, I think I might use a few choice words like

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:24:42PM +, Richard Baker wrote: dubious articles together with accusations of bigotry or Erik talking about religion rotting brains (or whatever; that's not a direct quote, of course, but I hope he doesn't think I'm misrepresenting him). For a Close enough.

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 29, 2004, at 2:24 PM, Richard Baker wrote: Posting what I can only take to be not very serious incitements to kill religious people is certainly counterproductive and manifestly inflammatory. I was wondering when someone would hit upon the idea that perhaps I was being more than a little

RE: Won what? (was Re: So it begins....)

2004-11-29 Thread ChadCooper
I don't think this is about winning or losing elections. To me, it is about how the leadership views the nation. The party that wins the White House and Congress hasn't won the country in the way that the person with a winning lottery ticket wins the money. Elections are our way of making

Re: WHAT? Five dead in deer hunting dispute

2004-11-29 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 29, 2004, at 5:19 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Nov 29, 2004, at 4:46 PM, Dave Land wrote: On Nov 29, 2004, at 2:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There may have been racial slurs flying along with the bullets. I mean, if I was being hunted down by a psychopath cambodian sharpshooter in the

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Re: So it begins Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:24:42PM +, Richard Baker wrote: dubious

Re: WHAT? Five dead in deer hunting dispute

2004-11-29 Thread kerri miller
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I *can* see how the other hunters could have tossed some slurs around, and that this guy felt -- or was! threatened; contrarily I can also see this guy being somewhat around the bend and simply going on a shooting spree, figuring he'd never

Re: WHAT? Five dead in deer hunting dispute

2004-11-29 Thread kerri miller
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It really rubs her the wrong way that white people think that Asians arr rook arike, as she says. Growing up in the whitest state in the Union, it wasn't until I moved out here to Seattle that I really learned to see the differences, not only in the

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 29, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Erik Reuter wrote: What I find amusing is that I think Dan's view of prostitution is actually extremely similar in many ways to my view of religion: Sure, there may be a small number of people doing okay at it, but mostly it is full of really messed up people. As a

Re: WHAT? Five dead in deer hunting dispute

2004-11-29 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 29, 2004, at 6:57 PM, kerri miller wrote: --- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It really rubs her the wrong way that white people think that Asians arr rook arike, as she says. Growing up in the whitest state in the Union, it wasn't until I moved out here to Seattle that I really

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:42:52PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: Wouldn't that have a measureable effect? Yup. Like more regular churchgoers suffering from more depression, dying earlier, using drugs more, recoving slower from illness and surgury, You're right, that is a difference.

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 06:58:51PM -0800, Dave Land wrote: Religion is a fungus, but it's OK for some people? Hey, you're paying attention! Yes, I chose that metaphor with some care. PS: I do not advocate sautéing Christians with garlic and onions. Frying in fat is not very healthy, as I'm

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:10 PM Subject: Re: So it begins Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:42:52PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: Wouldn't that

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:24:24PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: And, as you should know, most studies on the subject indicate, after And as you would know, if you weren't blocked by early childhood religious indoctrination, wrong data. You are really hopeless on this subject which I why I'm not

Atlantis, SG-1 Renewed

2004-11-29 Thread Gary Nunn
Atlantis, SG-1 Renewed SCI-FI Channel announced that it has ordered a second season of its hit original series Stargate Atlantis http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/ and a ninth season of its long-lived Stargate SG-1 http://www.scifi.com/stargate/ . The channel has ordered 20 new episodes of each

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Julia Thompson
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 06:58:51PM -0800, Dave Land wrote: Religion is a fungus, but it's OK for some people? Hey, you're paying attention! Yes, I chose that metaphor with some care. PS: I do not advocate sautéing Christians with garlic and

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Julia Thompson
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Erik Reuter wrote: I recently read the His Dark Materials trilogy by Philip Pullman, and while I enjoyed the story, I did find it lacking in a few areas, especially the third book (daemons appear for some formerly daemonless when you go into a daemon world but not

Re: So it begins.... Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time

2004-11-29 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 29, 2004, at 7:10 PM, Erik Reuter wrote: You're right, that is a difference. Prostitution itself is not likely to cause the problems you see in prostitutes, whereas religion itself is likely to cause the problems I see in the thought-processes of many religious people. If you define

Re: WHAT? Five dead in deer hunting dispute

2004-11-29 Thread Nick Arnett
Dave Land wrote: What's really sad is that my wife gets this here in California. Does... she... speak... English??? (Inside joke, but perhaps it comes across to the rest of y'all.) Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l