On 5 Apr 2005, at 8:34 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ironically, viewing the Bible metaphorically strengthens, rather than
weakens it, freeing it from the crazy idea that it must be considered
factual in every respect. Untold millions of intelligent, sensitive
people have been turned off by this uns
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:48:50 +0100, William T Goodall wrote
> But the fundamentalists are the fastest growing Christian sects.
I see this as part of a trend that goes far beyond Christianity and far beyond
religion. Fundamentalism of all sorts is on the rise, which I think is a
typical outcome
On Apr 5, 2005, at 2:48 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
But the fundamentalists are the fastest growing Christian sects.
All the more reason for those of us who are not fundamentalists to act
now.
Preserve it as a quaint irrelevant historical artifact. Which is fine
:)
You are certainly in line with
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:48:50 +0100, William T Goodall wrote
>
> > But the fundamentalists are the fastest growing Christian sects.
>
> I see this as part of a trend that goes far beyond Christianity and far
> beyond religion. Fundamentalism of all sorts
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:18:06 -0500 (CDT), Julia Thompson wrote
> I've been hearing a lot about Jim Wallis lately. Aside from trying
> to get back issues of Sojourners (which I am not going to attempt
> this year), what would you suggest of his?
His book, "God's Politics." It's a best-seller.
--- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been hearing a lot about Jim Wallis lately.
> Aside from trying to get
> back issues of Sojourners (which I am not going to
> attempt this year),
> what would you suggest of his?
>
> Julia
I've seen him on TV and found him to be a stun
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
> I've seen him on TV and found him to be a stunningly
> unimpresive figure...
I've been following his writings for 20 years, finally heard him speak in
person a few weeks ago, and talked to him for a short time about how on earth
on
Nick Arnett wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
I've seen him on TV and found him to be a stunningly
unimpresive figure...
I've been following his writings for 20 years, finally heard him speak in
person a few weeks ago, and talked to him for a short time about h
On Apr 5, 2005, at 7:14 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
Nick Arnett wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
I've seen him on TV and found him to be a stunningly
unimpresive figure...
I've been following his writings for 20 years, finally heard him
speak in person a few week
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Dave Land wrote:
> On Apr 5, 2005, at 7:14 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
>
> > Nick Arnett wrote:
> >> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:45:12 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
> >>> I've seen him on TV and found him to be a stunningly
> >>> unimpresive figure...
> >> I've been following hi
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:14:32 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote
> OK, do we have anyone here who's personally met him, or do I have to
> bug my sister for that?
I have. But it was a short conversation.
Nick
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http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-
> --- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've been hearing a lot about Jim Wallis lately.
>> Aside from trying to get back issues of Sojourners
>> (which I am not going to attempt this year), what
>> would you suggest of his?
>
> I've seen him on TV and found him to be a stunningly
> unim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've been hearing a lot about Jim Wallis lately.
Aside from trying to get back issues of Sojourners
(which I am not going to attempt this year), what
would you suggest of his?
I've seen him on TV and found him to be a stunningly
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Here's a listmate, making a perfectly reasonable
> request for
> suggestions, and she gets an insult instead.
>
> Dave
No, it was an assessment of _someone else_. I wasn't
insulting her. I do think his version of "God's
Politics" might as well be titled "My Politi
On Apr 6, 2005, at 8:24 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a listmate, making a perfectly reasonable
request for
suggestions, and she gets an insult instead.
Dave
No, it was an assessment of _someone else_. I wasn't
insulting her. I do think his version of "God's
Politi
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They've taught me a great deal that helps me resist
> my natural tendency to
> criticize. I suspect that you are as aware as
> anyone of that trait in me, so
> what do you think? Is this a good thing at the
> microscopic level of our
> discussions h
--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As to my message amounting to an "intrusion for no
> good reason," how do
> you figure? Was yours less so? Should we just sit
> quietly by when you
> demean the subjects of our conversations?
>
> Dave
Recounting the facts from my perspective:
Julia ment
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:24:56 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
> The fact that he's justifying bad ideas
> using the Bible doesn't make them less bad -
"Fact?" According to whom?
> although
> it does say something is very wrong with the
> Democratic Party that they're swallowing this guy's
> stu
* Gautam Mukunda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> We all know how opinions that differ from today's orthodoxy are
> treated here, so why should today be any different?
Actually, Dave just doesn't pay attention very well.
--
Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
___
Gautam,
I think we've taken up about as much of the Brin-L oxygen as we need to
with this, but since you seem determined to persist, I will respond,
begging the indulgence of our listmates.
As to my message amounting to an "intrusion for no good reason," how
do
you figure? Was yours less so? Shoul
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
* Gautam Mukunda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
We all know how opinions that differ from today's orthodoxy are
treated here, so why should today be any different?
Actually, Dave just doesn't pay attention very well.
What? Did someone say something?
Dave
_
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:16:02 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
> My worry is that when you "speak to the values [you]
> hold" you're just asserting something. Since you root
> all of these in religion,
I root all my values in religion? On this list? Does it really seem that way
from out there?
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Dave Land wrote:
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
* Gautam Mukunda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
We all know how opinions that differ from today's orthodoxy are
treated here, so why should today be any different?
Actually, Dave just doesn't pay attention very
* Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Correction: I interpreted your statement completely correctly: it was
> most definitely an insult:
Take for example, "you're a doofus." That was an example of something
that was most definitely an insult.
What Gautam wrote was an observation -- his thoug
On Apr 5, 2005, at 12:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 4, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
This is one of the problems with most of the modern interpretations of
the Gospels. Where Iasus was being metaphorical, he is taken
literally;
and where he was being literal, he is taken metaph
On Apr 5, 2005, at 6:59 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:48:50 +0100, William T Goodall wrote
But the fundamentalists are the fastest growing Christian sects.
I see this as part of a trend that goes far beyond Christianity and
far beyond
religion. Fundamentalism of all sorts is on the
Friends,
For what it may be worth, I don't think that calling someone "a stunningly
unimpresive (sic) figure" is an insult, as such. I took it as a statement of
Gautam's true experience of the man. Gautam was stunned by how unimpressed he
was with Jim Wallis, is how I heard it. No big deal,
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:23:16 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote
> What Gautam wrote was an observation -- his thoughts on someone who
> isn't likely to read it. Certainly a big difference from the above.
> It looked like political criticism to me, and I would hazard most people
> would agree.
Good heavens,
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:34:22 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote
> Not just injustice -- uncertainty. When there's a lot of social
> stress such as war, pestilence, famine, etc., it seems that hardline
> sects get stronger. People seem to want to find a meaning in the
> chaos, and since a lot of the fu
On Apr 6, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:34:22 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote
Not just injustice -- uncertainty. When there's a lot of social
stress such as war, pestilence, famine, etc., it seems that hardline
sects get stronger. People seem to want to find a meaning in
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
They've taught me a great deal that helps me resist
my natural tendency to
criticize. I suspect that you are as aware as
anyone of that trait in me, so
what do you think? Is this a good thing at the
micro
On Apr 6, 2005 5:16 PM, Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> he does. One could argue that it seems like a big
> part of the environmental movement as well, for
> example (why else prevent the use of DDT, for example?
> Rich white liberals could demonstrate how moral they
> were - they wer
- Original Message -
From: "Martin Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
> On Apr 6, 2005 5:16 PM, Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL
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From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
> On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Gautam Mukunda
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From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 3:34 PM
> > Except, of course, that's not true.
> >
> > http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html
> >
> > Nice smear though.
Oh, I just found an interesting lo
On Apr 6, 2005 9:34 PM, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > he does. One could argue that it seems like a big
> > > part of the environmental movement as well, for
> > > example (why else prevent the use of DDT, for example?
> > > Rich white liberals could demonstrate how moral they
> >
On Apr 6, 2005 10:00 PM, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Except, of course, that's not true.
> > >
> > > http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html
> > >
> > > Nice smear though.
>
> Oh, I just found an interesting long article on it
>
> http://www.cis.org.au/policy/Spring01/p
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/africa/1677073.stm
>
> What are you trying to suggest? That Africans are incapable of making
> informed decsisions?
No, they are not incapable of making informed decisions...it's just that,
like everyone else, they can be influenced by false statements and b
Arrg, idea not finished.
> No, they are not incapable of making informed decisions...it's just that,
> like everyone else, they can be influenced by false statements and be
> pressured. Are you arguing that that the precipitous drop in DDT use in
> Third World countries
after pressure was applie
- Original Message -
From: "Martin Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
> On Apr 6, 2005 10:00 PM, Dan Mine
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, I just found an interesting long article on it
>
> http://www.cis.org.au/policy/Spring01/polspr01-1.pdf
>
> IMHO, Martin, the evidence given in this report
> looks pretty good. But, of
> course, if you see problems with this report, I'm
> open to
--- Martin Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Except, of course, that's not true.
>
> http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html
>
> Nice smear though.
>
> Martin
And we refuse to fund DDT usage why, exactly? The
environmental movement has (and, in fact, continues
to) push for a worldwi
At 03:48 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Dan Minette wrote:
I guess what really struck me was how Bush was criticized for going the UN
route in Sudan and not going it in Iraq. On a practical basis, I could see
the criticism...but it seemed to me that your argument wasn't a nuts and
bolts argument about the
--- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because DDT thins birds' egg shells. The biggest
> reason bald eagles are
> endangered is DDT -- it thinned the birds' shells so
> drastically that
> many embryos never survived to full development.
>
> Is that a sufficient reason?
Well, first, n
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:19:34 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote
> Not meant as an insult toward anyone here, but it has been my
> observation that many who object to the war in Iraq have as their
> basic principle that "Bush is evil."
Yuck, may I say. The battle for good and evil is not "out ther
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:48:44 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
> If Iraq does end up as a stable
> democracy - and the odds of that are higher than they
> have ever been in all of Iraqi history - are you going
> to come back and admit that those evil
> neoconservatives destroyed one of the vilest
>
At 07:07 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:19:34 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote
> Not meant as an insult toward anyone here, but it has been my
> observation that many who object to the war in Iraq have as their
> basic principle that "Bush is evil."
Yuck, may I say.
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a listmate, making a perfectly reasonable
request for
suggestions, and she gets an insult instead.
Dave
No, it was an assessment of _someone else_. I wasn't
insulting her. I do think his version of "God's
Politics" might as well be titled
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From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
I'd love to see a
> reasoned, civil discussi
- Original Message -
From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:48:44 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Muk
In a message dated 4/6/2005 12:16:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Rich white liberals could demonstrate how moral they
> were - they were _Concerned_ about the environment -
> without really giving up anything, because malaria had
> already been wiped out in their countri
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> --- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Because DDT thins birds' egg shells. The biggest
>> reason bald eagles are
>> endangered is DDT -- it thinned the birds' shells so
>> drastically that
>> many embryos never survived to full development.
>>
>> Is that a suffic
Dave Land wrote:
As to your assumptions about my motives ("seems meant only to be a poor
attempt to make me look..."), we're all fond of Julie, but that had
nothing to do with my joining the fray.
All fond? That's very flattering. I'm not sure it's entirely accurate,
but I'm flattered by the co
Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:16:02 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
As for criticism, I don't object to helpful criticism. But I don't think
that's the spirit of most criticism from the left these days, or more
generally, of most of the criticism in mass media these days. And thos
- Original Message -
From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
> I've seen him on TV and found him to be a stu
Julia Thompson wrote:
>
> 2) I'm wondering how much Gautam knows about Jim Wallis' ideas to
> call them "bad". I think a debate on the merits and demerits of
> Wallis's ideas would be interesting and would edify me without my
> having to darken the doors of Barnes & Noble, or add to the giant
> s
Robert Seeberger wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
2) I'm wondering how much Gautam knows about Jim Wallis' ideas to
call them "bad". I think a debate on the merits and demerits of
Wallis's ideas would be interesting and would edify me without my
having to darken the doors of Barnes & Noble, or add to
Julia Thompson wrote:
> Robert Seeberger wrote:
>> Julia Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> 2) I'm wondering how much Gautam knows about Jim Wallis' ideas to
>>> call them "bad". I think a debate on the merits and demerits of
>>> Wallis's ideas would be interesting and would edify me without my
>>> having to
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I googled and read some of his interviews and quotes
> from the past year.
> This is not meant to be insulting Gautam, but he
> appears to hold _your_
> position on a number of issues. Clearly, not on the
> Iraq war, but even on
> the question of pacifi
At 09:33 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert Seeberger wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
2) I'm wondering how much Gautam knows about Jim Wallis' ideas to
call them "bad". I think a debate on the merits and demerits of
Wallis's ideas would be interesting and would edify me without my
h
At 09:44 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
>
> I can always hope, can't I? :)
>
> Julia
>
I was thinking much the same thing before I went to
http://www.nice-tits.org/
Was I wrong for that?
xponent
Libido'R'Us Maru
rob
From all I hear, finding the other type on
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Bottom line, you
> denegate "rich white liberals" for no particular
> reason other than to create your
> usual demons.
Bob, what is it about you that makes you _unable_ to
credit people who disagree with you about honest
motives? I mean, really, this is why I'm so
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you saying that Warren been trying to prevent
> democracy in Iraq?
Functionally, yes.
>
> Are you saying that war is the only way to get rid
> of an evil dictator? Or
> war was the only way to get rid of this one? Am I
> mistaken in believing
Gautam wrote:
By the way, Pedro looked good in his first start for
the mets.
Yes, he looked excellent. Let's just hope that he's
rehabbed his shoulder properly.
Hey, hey, hey, how about that Kirk Saarloos one hitting your Orioles
tonight!
Thank goodness for baseball season. Go A's!
--
Doug
_
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From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
>
> Haven't read the book - nothing I s
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By the way, Pedro looked good in his first start for
the mets.
Yes, he looked excellent. Let's just hope that he's
rehabbed his shoulder properly.
Just for the record, I'm not happy about this.
I hate the Mets.
Nothing personal, just the 1986 Wo
--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, hey, hey, how about that Kirk Saarloos one
> hitting your Orioles
> tonight!
>
> Thank goodness for baseball season. Go A's!
>
> --
> Doug
Gee, thanks Doug (:-)), I didn't know that until I
read it on list :-( This is my first day reading t
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
> At 09:44 PM Wednesday 4/6/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote:
>> Julia Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>> I can always hope, can't I? :)
>>>
>>> Julia
>>>
>> I was thinking much the same thing before I went to
>> http://www.nice-tits.org/
>>
>> Was I wrong for that?
>>
>>
>>
>> xponent
>
Gautam wrote:
Gee, thanks Doug (:-)), I didn't know that until I
read it on list :-( This is my first day reading the
list in weeks - I'm so overloaded with work this is
kind of my despairing gesture at ever getting it
finished...
Yea, I'm busy too, but I'm easily distracted. Especially when I ca
On Apr 6, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Because DDT thins birds' egg shells. The biggest reason bald eagles
are
endangered is DDT -- it thinned the birds' shells so drastically that
many embryos never survived to full
On Apr 6, 2005, at 4:48 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Because DDT thins birds' egg shells. The biggest
reason bald eagles are
endangered is DDT -- it thinned the birds' shells so
drastically that
many embryos never survived to full development.
Is that a s
On Apr 6, 2005 11:25 PM, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Except, of course, that's not true.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Nice smear though.
> > >
> > > Oh, I just found an interesting long article on it
> > >
> > > http:
On Apr 7, 2005 7:23 AM, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And it's not relevant outside the US to bald eagles. As I mentioned to
> Dan I wasn't aware we were discussing *worldwide* DDT bans;
A reasonable assumption since there is no worldwide ban.
Martin
On Apr 6, 2005, at 10:30 AM, I wrote:
Also, since I don't have to weigh a given set of beliefs against my
own to see if they agree -- and are therefore "true" -- I'm free to
see validity in many different religious ideas. Where faith speaks of
gods I can ignore it; where faith speaks of human va
On Apr 7, 2005 12:17 AM, Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And, of course, I have _lots_ of family whose life is
> at risk from this decision, so it's kind of important
> to me as well.
You might like to read this paper by VP Sharma about the ineffectiveness of
the use of DDT in India
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From: "Martin Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
> > The first is an African group, and the
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:08:41 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
> It can be. Bush I and Clinton tried other means for ~12 years. I
> think, after that time, it was safe to say that Hussian wasn't
> losing his grip on the country and wouldn't without an invasion.
Safe to say? Meaning it's not debatable?
Dan Minette wrote
I guess what really struck me was how Bush was criticized for
going the UN route in Sudan and not going it in Iraq. ...
Likely Bush figured that the US Army is stretched enough in Iraq that
it makes little sense to offend China and India, both of which have
investments i
Gautam Mukunda asked
... why else prevent the use of DDT, for example?
I suspect the major reason is that no national politician in the US,
whether Democrat or Republican, wanted to say that he had voted for
the extinction of a national symbol. (The bald eagle is a US national
symbol. DDT w
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:33:16 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
> In Vietnam he supported the North
> Vietnamese. I mean, at that point you're actually _on
> the side of_ tyrants, so I just don't quite see how
> that makes sense.
Cite, please! That's more than a little bit outrageous.
Nick
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
> --- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Are you saying that Warren been trying to prevent
> > democracy in Iraq?
>
> Functionally, yes.
What does that mean?
> Oh, come on, Nick, I can sling "just war" theology
> around too.
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From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:08:41 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
On Apr 7, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Are you saying that Warren been trying to prevent
democracy in Iraq?
Functionally, yes.
What does that mean?
I think it means "He who is not with
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:09:46 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
> > > It can be. Bush I and Clinton tried other means for ~12 years. I
> > > think, after that time, it was safe to say that Hussian wasn't
> > > losing his grip on the country and wouldn't without an invasion.
> >
> > Safe to say? Meaning it
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 5, 2005, at 12:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 4, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
This is one of the problems with most of the modern interpretations of
the Gospels. Where Iasus was being metaphorical, he is taken literally;
and where he was being liter
On Apr 7, 2005, at 2:50 PM, maru wrote:
I sure hope there is an antidote. American Christianity is rapidly
beginning to resemble Middle East Islam. Both in the sense of
insistence on hardline radical fundamentalism steeped in narrow
interpretations of marginally-relevant texts; and in the sense
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Gautam
> Mukunda wrote
> > --- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Are you saying that Warren been trying to
> prevent
> > > democracy in Iraq?
> >
> > Functionally, yes.
>
> What does that mean?
>
I
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 2:50 PM, maru wrote:
'marginally-relevant texts'?
An example please; So far I've only seen various perversions of the
Bible
(Unless you count Mel Gibson using the ravings of a delirious German nun
in his /Passion/.).
Perversions of the Bible don't affect
I think, after that time, it was safe to say that Hussian wasn't
losing his grip on the country and wouldn't without an invasion.
The question is not whether one or other dictatorship was defeated,
whether in Iraq or Saudi Arabia, but whether its defeat was the best
use of resources.
For
On Apr 7, 2005 3:38 PM, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is your position that the environmental movement's arguements against DDT
> have nothing to do with this?
Yes.
Martin
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From: "Martin Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
> On Apr 7, 2005 3:38 PM, Dan Minette <[EMAIL
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
> It means that there wasn't a third option between
> going to war to remove Hussein and leaving him in
> power. It didn't exist. No one proposed one that was
> even vaguely plausible. You could choose one or the
> other.
Really? N
On Apr 8, 2005 12:06 AM, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Is your position that the environmental movement's arguements against
> DDT
> > > have nothing to do with this?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> Then why are Western governments and the UN willing to fund anti-malaria
> techniques acceptable
On Apr 7, 2005 12:25 AM, Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Except, of course, that's not true.
> >
> > http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html
> >
> > Nice smear though.
>
> And we refuse to fund DDT usage why, exactly? The
> environmental movement has (and, in fact, continu
On Apr 7, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 2:50 PM, maru wrote:
I sure hope there is an antidote. American Christianity is rapidly
beginning to resemble Middle East Islam. Both in the sense of
insistence on hardline radical fundamentalism steeped in narrow
interpretati
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From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)
> I wrote "invasion" and you've just wri
On Apr 7, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Gautam
Mukunda wrote
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Are you saying that Warren been trying to
prevent
democracy in Iraq?
Functionally, yes.
What does tha
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:38:03 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
> Look at the historical police actions. They don't work against well
> armed fighters. For a police action to result in the overthrow of
> Hussian, the Republican guard would have had to let lightly armed
> units walk in and arrest Hussia
On Apr 7, 2005, at 5:36 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
And what about South Africa and India? Are they not examples of regime
changes that were accomplished without war? Today, are we open to such
possibilities, which seemed impossible to most people before they
happened?
I don't remember our invading t
Nick Arnett wrote:
> You are aware, surely, that tremendous regime changes have taken
> place without wars? The most recent example is South Africa.
I agree with that example.
> Perhaps closer to your heart would be a certain enormous former
> British colony with a primarily Hindu population?
Agai
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