On Aug 1, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
> On 31 Jul 2007 at 20:17, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
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>> Just a couple quibbles.
>>
>> There are in fact stacks of religions which claim literalism. *All* >
>> fundamentalist interpretations of *all* sects do so.
>
> ...
>
> Absolute rubbish, I'm
On 31 Jul 2007 at 20:17, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
> Just a couple quibbles.
>
> There are in fact stacks of religions which claim literalism. *All* >
> fundamentalist interpretations of *all* sects do so.
...
Absolute rubbish, I'm afraid. Within Judaism the tiny Kairite
movement is literalist,
Just a couple quibbles.
There are in fact stacks of religions which claim literalism. *All*
fundamentalist interpretations of *all* sects do so.
As to the other minor asides...
On Jul 31, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote:
> So, what do you think of Steven Hawkins? *grins*
Hawking. Step
On 29 Jul 2007 at 0:29, William T Goodall wrote:
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> On 28 Jul 2007, at 20:16, Nick Arnett wrote:
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> > On 7/27/07, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not arguing with that. I'm arguing with the fact that religions
> >> present their stories as being actually tr
On 30 Jul 2007, at 23:19, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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> That does not surprise me a bit. The idea that churches are segregated
> by anything more than convenience is a bit off to me. I see people
> going to mega-churches, mega-church wannabes, and the nearest church
> of convenience by denomination
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> On 30 Jul 2007, at 14:21, Julia Thompson wrote:
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>
On 30 Jul 2007, at 14:21, Julia Thompson wrote:
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>
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007, William T Goodall wrote:
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>> Blacks also go to different churches of course.
>
> Some choose to go to all-black or mostly-black churches, others
> don't. I
> could go on for a good number of sentences on the subject,
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007, William T Goodall wrote:
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> On 30 Jul 2007, at 02:41, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
>> At 01:02 PM Wednesday 7/18/2007, Dan Minette wrote:
>>> Subject: Re: U.S. health care
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [...] Let me give you an example from one of the clearest numbers for
>>> which the US per
On 30 Jul 2007, at 02:41, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> At 01:02 PM Wednesday 7/18/2007, Dan Minette wrote:
>> Subject: Re: U.S. health care
>>
>>
>>
>> [...] Let me give you an example from one of the clearest numbers for
>> which the US performs relatively poorly: infant mortality.
>>
>> The US's r
At 06:52 PM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote:
>On 30 Jul 2007, at 00:23, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
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> > At 03:08 PM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote:
> >
> >
> >> The USA is the most religious advanced country and the least healthy.
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> Very religious countr
On 30 Jul 2007, at 00:23, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> At 03:08 PM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote:
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>> The USA is the most religious advanced country and the least healthy.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Very religious countries like Nigeria seem to have very poor health.
>
>
>
> Is there any othe
At 03:08 PM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote:
>The USA is the most religious advanced country and the least healthy.
>
>[...]
>
>Very religious countries like Nigeria seem to have very poor health.
Is there any other common factor between those two statistics?
Correlation Again Mar
On 30 Jul 2007, at 00:12, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> At 10:25 AM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote:
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>> You can't prove UFOs manned by yetis don't abduct you every night and
>> probe you Maru
>
>
> That explains why I wake up every morning with an overwhelming desire
> to get to the bath
At 10:25 AM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote:
>You can't prove UFOs manned by yetis don't abduct you every night and
>probe you Maru
That explains why I wake up every morning with an overwhelming desire
to get to the bathroom and smear some Preparation-H on my butt!
Thanks Maru!
--
On 29 Jul 2007, at 20:26, Dan Minettte wrote:
>> On Behalf Of William T Goodall
>> Correlation doesn't mean causation Dan. In a highly religious society
>> like the USA those who are not members of a religious community are
>> also likely to be outsiders in other ways which is likely to impact
>
On 29 Jul 2007, at 20:26, Dan Minettte wrote:
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> If you want, you could argue that healthy people tend to be
> religious and
> people with social and behavior health issues tend to be agnostic and
> atheists, I guessbut I think the proposed mechanisms are better
> explained by the causalit
Dan said:
> If we were to differ, say on the latest work in mesoscopic
> physics, we could straightforwardly reconcile those differences by
> reference to the literature.
Yes. And if we differed about physics beyond the current frontiers of
knowledge we could in principle resolve those dif
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> On 29 Jul 2007, a
On 29 Jul 2007, at 15:31, Dan Minettte wrote:
> There is no experiment that either one of us can propose to falsify
> the
> belief of one of us and confirm the belief of the other. So, where
> does
> this place discussions of religion? Is there nothing empirically
> based that
> can be sa
On 29 Jul 2007, at 15:31, Dan Minettte wrote:
> On the whole, it appears that the literature indicates that
> membership in a
> religious community has a positive effect on one's health.
Correlation doesn't mean causation Dan. In a highly religious society
like the USA those who are not membe
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> Behalf Of Richard Baker
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 5:00 AM
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> Subject: Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
>
> Dave said:
>
> &
On 29 Jul 2007, at 14:37, PAT MATHEWS wrote:
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> I am deleting, unread, all posts with this title because nobody is
> saying
> anything new. Everybody has their minds made up and all the force
> of their
> deepest values behind it.
>
It's those blinkered and irrational advocates of religio
f the individual.The impulse
dies away without the sympathy of the community."--William James
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>To: Killer Bs Discussion
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>Date:
On 29 Jul 2007, at 13:55, Richard Baker wrote:
> William said:
>
>> It has a supernatural God that makes the world, a supernatural Jesus,
>> it has Jesus coming back from death, it has heaven and it has
>> resurrection and blah blah blah. If you don't believe all of this
>> tosh you are not a Chr
William said:
> It has a supernatural God that makes the world, a supernatural Jesus,
> it has Jesus coming back from death, it has heaven and it has
> resurrection and blah blah blah. If you don't believe all of this
> tosh you are not a Christian.
I think it's possible to disbelieve some aspect
On 29 Jul 2007, at 13:33, Ritu wrote:
> William T Goodall wrote:
>
>> All religions contain irrational defining beliefs (supernatural or
>> otherwise) else they wouldn't be religions. Accepting some piece[s]
>> of nonsense on faith is part of adopting a religious belief.
>
> That is a wonderful n
On 29 Jul 2007, at 02:45, Nick Arnett wrote:
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> Many religions have creeds -- short statements of faith that one
> chooses to
> accept as true if one is to profess that faith. Creeds exists
> specifically
> to identify the key truths in one's faith. There would be no need
> for them
> if
William T Goodall wrote:
> All religions contain irrational defining beliefs (supernatural or
> otherwise) else they wouldn't be religions. Accepting some piece[s]
> of nonsense on faith is part of adopting a religious belief.
That is a wonderful non-answer to what I said...
> Clearly steam
On 29 Jul 2007, at 12:33, Ritu wrote:
> William T Goodall wrote:
>
>> Atheist religions have different defining irrational beliefs. Nazism
>> had 'Aryan supremacy', the Greens have 'Nuclear Power is Evil' and so
>> on.
>
> I am sure they do, but I really was talking about the religion I
> grew
William T Goodall wrote:
> Atheist religions have different defining irrational beliefs. Nazism
> had 'Aryan supremacy', the Greens have 'Nuclear Power is Evil' and so
> on.
I am sure they do, but I really was talking about the religion I grew up
with, and if you wish to place it in this cla
On 29 Jul 2007, at 04:59, Ritu wrote:
> William T Goodall wrote:
>
>> Religions don't present their stories as being literally true? They
>> don't claim that supernatural entities meddle in human affairs? They
>> don't claim that miraculous events actually happen? They don't claim
>> that divinel
On 29 Jul 2007, at 02:45, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On 7/28/07, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 28 Jul 2007, at 20:16, Nick Arnett wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/27/07, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm not arguing with that. I'm arguing with the fact th
William T Goodall wrote:
> Religions don't present their stories as being literally true? They
> don't claim that supernatural entities meddle in human affairs? They
> don't claim that miraculous events actually happen? They don't claim
> that divinely inspired prophets said things we must p
On 7/28/07, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On 28 Jul 2007, at 20:16, Nick Arnett wrote:
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> > On 7/27/07, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not arguing with that. I'm arguing with the fact that religions
> >> present their stories as being actu
On 28 Jul 2007, at 20:16, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On 7/27/07, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not arguing with that. I'm arguing with the fact that religions
>> present their stories as being actually true
>
>
> That is patently untrue.
Religions don't present their sto
On 7/27/07, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>
> I'm not arguing with that. I'm arguing with the fact that religions
> present their stories as being actually true
That is patently untrue.
Hey, you just told an untrue story!
Nick
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On 27 Jul 2007, at 22:21, Nick Arnett wrote:
> On 7/27/07, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think the difference between fact and fiction is pretty clear.
>
>
> I don't think anybody is arguing about that.
Proponents of religion always seem to be.
> We're talking about
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Dave Land wrote:
> On Jul 27, 2007, at 3:06 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
>
>> On 27 Jul 2007, at 10:44, Dave Land wrote:
>>
>>> The point being that religion -- whether you consider it the core of
>>> your being or a mental illness, is beneficial to humankind.
>>
>> The ends
On 7/27/07, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> I think the difference between fact and fiction is pretty clear.
I don't think anybody is arguing about that. We're talking about the
relationship among facts, fiction and truth. A fictional story can contain
truths. "A bird in the
On 27 Jul 2007, at 18:52, Dave Land wrote:
> On Jul 27, 2007, at 3:06 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
>
>> On 27 Jul 2007, at 10:44, Dave Land wrote:
>>
>>> The point being that religion -- whether you consider it the core of
>>> your being or a mental illness, is beneficial to humankind.
>>
>> The
On Jul 27, 2007, at 3:06 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
> On 27 Jul 2007, at 10:44, Dave Land wrote:
>
>> The point being that religion -- whether you consider it the core of
>> your being or a mental illness, is beneficial to humankind.
>
> The ends justify the means eh?
Not exactly "the ends jus
On Jul 27, 2007, at 2:59 AM, Richard Baker wrote:
> Dave said:
>
>> The point being that religion -- whether you consider it the core of
>> your being or a mental illness, is beneficial to humankind.
>
> So is your position that religions are useful rather than true?
Like much of what I "believe"
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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:44:13
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Dave Land wrote:
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> Religious Concepts Promote Cooperation
> Effect seems to work regardless of a person's beliefs.
>
> The point being that religion -- whether you consider it the core of
> your being or a mental illness, is beneficial to humankind.
>
You still have to prove that _c
On 27 Jul 2007, at 10:44, Dave Land wrote:
>
> The point being that religion -- whether you consider it the core of
> your being or a mental illness, is beneficial to humankind.
The ends justify the means eh? Perhaps if it takes blatant lies to
make a society function smoothly then there is so
Dave said:
> The point being that religion -- whether you consider it the core of
> your being or a mental illness, is beneficial to humankind.
So is your position that religions are useful rather than true?
Rich
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From Nature:
Religious Concepts Promote Cooperation
Effect seems to work regardless of a person's beliefs.
A belief in God may have promoted the evolution of cooperative
behaviour, say Canadian psychologists. They found that priming
people with religious concepts
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