>
> From NYT website:
>
> You’ve reached your limit of free articles.
>
> Purchase a subscription yadda-yadda
>
> THET! :)
>
> Don Resor
https://sf.funcheap.com/city-guide/ny-times-free/
Problem solved and completely legal...
-Ali
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote:
For some reason, the whole buy in bulk and cut down to smaller sizes and sell
just seemed so underworldly to me. You drove over to a friend's home, flashed
a bit of cash, and someone would snag it and lay a plastic baggie of disks
(literally.
On 1/23/2023 9:04 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 6:17 PM Jim Brain via cctalk
wrote:
On 1/23/2023 7:58 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
That brings back memories (pun maybe intended). In the late 1980s, you
could buy 5.25 DSDD in bulk for $USD0.29/disk, but you had
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 6:17 PM Jim Brain via cctalk
wrote:
> On 1/23/2023 7:58 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> That brings back memories (pun maybe intended). In the late 1980s, you
> could buy 5.25 DSDD in bulk for $USD0.29/disk, but you had to buy in
> bulk. So, clubs would buy, or someone
How many Oersted was it?
On Tue, 24 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote:
C: in the spirit of the blessedness bestowed upon me, having received this
email twice, I've decided to breakup my reply into 2 equal but distinct parts.
And answer his questions in reverse order.
- I done lost my Oersted
Correction, that should have been…
THWT! ;)
Don Resor
Sent from someone's iPhone
> On Jan 23, 2023, at 6:49 PM, Don R via cctalk wrote:
>
> From NYT website:
>
> You’ve reached your limit of free articles.
>
> Purchase a subscription yadda-yadda
>
> THET! :)
>
> Don Resor
> Sent from
From NYT website:
You’ve reached your limit of free articles.
Purchase a subscription yadda-yadda
THET! :)
Don Resor
Sent from someone's iPhone
> On Jan 23, 2023, at 5:18 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote:
>
>
>>
>>> Hmmm I wonder where The Pentagon buys them to keep the launch
>>> codes
On Monday, January 23, 2023, 09:14:08 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
How many Oersted was it?
C: in the spirit of the blessedness bestowed upon me, having received this
email twice, I've decided to breakup my reply into 2 equal but distinct parts.
And answer his questions in reverse
On 1/23/2023 7:58 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
The nice thing was by the mid 80s there didn't seem to be crap disks. Some
guy had a shop in some basement. Commodore stuff mostly iirc. He was selling
generic didks. They were cheap, probably 4 for a dollar. I never had a problem
with a single
On Tue, 24 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote:
The Minisport is such an oddball it just kills me to not finally see
them boot off a disk. I never had a ac adapter. Bought suitable
batteries years ago intending to rebuild the battery packs. They work or
sid to some degree afaik. To create simple
On 1/23/23 6:36 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
There's a chance that any existing Reply-To: is overwritten by the
mailing list. -- Maybe I should test that. }:-)
It seems as if the list adds its' self to the Reply-To: header.
"General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
So
The nice thing was by the mid 80s there didn't seem to be crap disks. Some guy
had a shop in some basement. Commodore stuff mostly iirc. He was selling
generic didks. They were cheap, probably 4 for a dollar. I never had a problem
with a single 1. Can't recall if I ever formatted them to 720k
On 1/23/23 1:50 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
I've solved this problem with a simple procmail rule:
I did similar.
#
REPLYTO_=`formail -cXCc: | cut -d',' -f1 | sed -e 's/Cc: //' | sed -e
's/\"/\\\"/g'`
0 fw
* ^To:.*classiccmp|^Cc:.*classiccmp
| sed -e 's/\[cctalk\] //g' |
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 5:14 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 1/23/23 10:04 AM, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
> > The issue is that Gmail filtering isn't great at filtering the list,
> > the way it's setup. A lot of people use it. Clicking to block the
> > sender
> > Hmmm I wonder where The Pentagon buys them to keep the launch
> > codes
> > on? :-)
> >
> >
> > bill
> >
>
> I believe the Pentagon finally upgraded last year and got rid of the 8"
> floppy drives. There used to be one manufacturer that continued to make
> and supply them to the
> Hmmm I wonder where The Pentagon buys them to keep the launch
> codes
> on? :-)
>
>
> bill
>
I believe the Pentagon finally upgraded last year and got rid of the 8" floppy
drives. There used to be one manufacturer that continued to make and supply
them to the government from back
On 1/23/23 10:04 AM, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
The issue is that Gmail filtering isn't great at filtering the list,
the way it's setup. A lot of people use it. Clicking to block the
sender blocks the entire list.
You bring up a valid concern, people filtering the entire list instead
of
On 1/23/23 15:43, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>
> On 1/23/2023 5:39 PM, Mike Begley via cctalk wrote:
>> I must have missed your offer for 8" floppies! Please let me know if
>> you still have any.
>>
>> I was looking for some a while back, and mostly found them in the
>> $5.00/piece range,
5$ for an 8" disk isn't even remotely pricey. Especially given the amount of
computers that use them. I only have 1 computer remaining that utilizes them
(and 5 1/4") and would love to see it boot off one.
I have no luck with disks either. Again the humidity may have something to do
with it.
Dave,
Do you by chance store your magnet collection with your vintage computer
collection?
Sellam
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:57 PM Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chris via cctalk
> > Sent: 23 January 2023 19:28
> > To: Mike
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris via cctalk
> Sent: 23 January 2023 19:28
> To: Mike Stein via cctalk
> Cc: skogkatt...@yahoo.com
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Computer of Thesus (was: Re: Re: Computer Museum uses
> GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man)
>
> @ Mike Stein
>
> Not
On 1/23/2023 6:45 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Two things They're not making anymore: land and 8" floppy disks.
Hmmm I wonder where The Pentagon buys them to keep the launch codes
on? :-)
bill
Two things They're not making anymore: land and 8" floppy disks.
So in that light, $5 per disk, while unfortunate, is not that outrageous.
Sellam
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:43 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> On 1/23/2023 5:39 PM, Mike Begley via cctalk wrote:
>
On 1/23/2023 5:39 PM, Mike Begley via cctalk wrote:
I must have missed your offer for 8" floppies! Please let me know if you still
have any.
I was looking for some a while back, and mostly found them in the $5.00/piece
range, which is just ridiculous.
I don't know. Isn't that what they
On 23/01/2023 20:38, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Are you referring to Jeri Ellsworth? As far as I know she only fabricated
an IC with simple logic gates on them, but it's possible she may have gone
on to do more complex stuff, like a CPU.
I think the reference was to Sam Zeloof:
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 2:39 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> IF you can get used to it, the clit-mouse can work well.
> Not everybody can get used to it.
> And, until you do, it is extraordinarily frustrating.
>
It's one of those "is the dress gold or black" kinda things. I cannot
stand
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 1:34 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> I also will never stop loving the C64. I had an Amiga 600 for a while but
> never got into it. Ataris are also amazing (8/16 bit).
I feel the same with the Apple ][ series vs. the Apple //gs. The Apple
//gs is a really interesting
John,
Same here, I prefer to use the original hardware and software media, etc.
I also prefer to read documentation from paper I'm holding in my hands, but
then this is my preference for reading generally.
For me, modern emulators and storage devices are an acceptable exception
for software
This would make a great talk at one of the Vintage Computer Festivals.
At VCF East I see many parents bringing children (teenagers especially)
that would get an important lesson from this showing how adults from
vastly different walks of life interact and produce positive results.
Museum
I must have missed your offer for 8" floppies! Please let me know if you still
have any.
I was looking for some a while back, and mostly found them in the $5.00/piece
range, which is just ridiculous. I finally just happened across someone in a
facebook group with about a hundred to sell,
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
I also once had an IBM laptop with the "eraser stick" thingie in the
middle of the keyboard. I turned it back in after a few weeks and
demanded some other model, any model so long as it didn't have that
device.
IF you can get used to it,
Hush, contact me off-list. I have two DEC PDP-11/05's for sale, if
that's of any interest.
On 1/23/2023 4:29 PM, h...@dec.dog via cctalk wrote:
...
—
.hush
Got interesting stuff to sell? Let me know!
Looking for DEC, IBM, CDC, SGI, Data General, and more!
On Monday, Jan 23, 2023 at 4:18
On 1/23/2023 1:21 PM, Mike Katz wrote:
On 1/23/2023 12:11 PM, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote:
On 1/23/2023 11:53 AM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
The 6883 SAM was the "glue" that provided all of the timing and
address decoding for the entire system. To reduce flicker the 6847
and 6809E memory
On 1/23/2023 1:01 PM, Mike Begley wrote:
Right now, I'm going back and forth on an IMSAI I am restoring. Part
of me wants to do as slavishly accurate a restoration as I can, but
the another part insists that there really is no such thing, really,
as the whole culture around S100 was about
On 1/23/2023 12:59 PM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
Let's face it, most of us have trouble justifying the time and money we
spend for whatever reason on what is essentially useless obsolete junk to
anyone outside our community.
I "fell" into a situation that contains the trifecta of hobby
On 2023-01-23 18:56, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
I find it interesting watching people using trackpads. Most don't know
*how* to use them effectively.
Well, nobody teaches that... At least, nobody has taught me that, nor
have I ever seen anybody do that. And I have seen many people
While I never actually suspected I'd own every IBM inxompatible made, I scored
a bunch. Sold off a bunch. I can't say whether my Northstar Dimension or my NEC
APC III would be the last to go. Preferably neither. I often find myaelf
fawning over your bog standatd clone also. Don't particularly
generally, if something is too difficult or too expensive to replace, i will
opt to replace it with something more modern. PDP11 memory is quite expensive,
for instance, so if the 4MB in my 11/83 fails i will be forced to emulate it
with the qbone i have serving my disks- those are also quite
On 1/23/2023 2:28 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: @ Mike Stein
Not everything is criticism. I only corrected a rather obtuse notion about
people replacing mechanical drives with solid state ones. Everyone would love
to use their original equipment if it was practical. I for 1 have NO luck
sam zeloof, actually:
https://www.wired.com/story/22-year-old-builds-chips-parents-garage/
—
.hush
Got interesting stuff to sell? Let me know!
Looking for DEC, IBM, CDC, SGI, Data General, and more!
> On Monday, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:39 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
>
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 12:32 PM h...@dec.dog via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> i am hopeful for the future of small-scale chip fabrication (and also
> copyright law overhaul, but that’s just unrealistic!) after seeing
> someone’s project to fab their own CPU in their garage- maybe one
On 2023-01-23 20:59, Adrian Godwin via cctalk wrote:
There was the Amstrad floppy. I think it was 3". Hopefully didn't get
out
of the UK.
Why would you say such a thing? Of course it got out of the UK and came
into Europe, where I could get them, use them, and enjoy them on my
Amstrad CPC
The 3" floppy was available in single (flippy) and double-sided.
But, the two different driveswould not accept each other's disks! (You
could not use the flippy disks in the double-sided drive)
Besides the Amstrad, it was advertised and sold for AppleII and Coco,
under the name Amdek in USA,
i am hopeful for the future of small-scale chip fabrication (and also copyright
law overhaul, but that’s just unrealistic!) after seeing someone’s project to
fab their own CPU in their garage- maybe one day we’ll see shops cropping up
that specialize in their ability to replicate old chips? one
At 77, don't I know it...
But most of us are fortunate enough to choose how we spend that limited
time, whatever other folks may think.
Speaking of, I've had fun but this discussion is time I'll never get back
;-)
Time for a nap...
;-)
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:13 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
Mike, our time (and energy) on this earth is limited. For some more limited
then others. Like the old Dr. Who (circa 1989) when asked if he foumd
butterflies interesting, replied "My good man, I find everything interesting".
As do I. As do a lot of people. Some people are geared towards diving
Guess I've been lucky; haven't had any issues (AFAIK ;-) with any of the
hundreds of ICs I've bought on eBay . On the other hand I've heard folks
even have issues with stuff from Mouser etc.
Same here; there's satisfaction in keeping the entire vintage package
running, but when it comes to
There was the Amstrad floppy. I think it was 3". Hopefully didn't get out
of the UK.
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 7:47 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> Ok the MS used 2" disks. I suspect only Fuji made them. I am that mental.
>
> 245 tpi 720kb. That thing was a beast in it's day. Like a LOTR dwarf
>
Not necessarily criticism, but there's usually a bit of judgement in there
somewhere; "I can't understand why on earth anybody would spend good money
and time buying old obsolete computers and getting them running" kinda
suggests that the speaker thinks you've got a problem and should spend the
Ok the MS used 2" disks. I suspect only Fuji made them. I am that mental.
245 tpi 720kb. That thing was a beast in it's day. Like a LOTR dwarf champion
or something.
There is surprisingly little interest in Techtronics gear despite the coolness
factor. As for the Intel MFS? System, which is Multibus? I have a whole crate
of mb cards on the way so FUGGEDABOUTIT :)
When I was shopping for my first computer, I looked at the CoCo. In reality
anything TRS-80
@ Mike Stein
Not everything is criticism. I only corrected a rather obtuse notion about
people replacing mechanical drives with solid state ones. Everyone would love
to use their original equipment if it was practical. I for 1 have NO luck with
floppy disks. Is it my part of the country?
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 11:14 AM Mike Stein via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I offered some 8" diskettes a while back and didn't have a single inquiry,
> and there doesn't seem to be a real shortage of other sizes either if you
> don't mind sorting through used ones; even paper and
There's a harmless, inquisitive "I can't understand...". Then there's the
bitchy intolerant variant. People will go wild when I say what's the point of
an Imsai, or any uP prior to 8086/68000. I don't undervalue things that I don't
find interesting though. But honestly can't understand the
OS/9 is a multi users, multitasking operating system.
There are many applications and video games and many programming
languages available for the 6809 (C, Basic, Basic09, Forth, Assembler,
Lisp, etc).
On 1/23/2023 12:49 PM, Marvin Johnston via cctalk wrote:
As to what can you do with it?
I think the issue of finding media tends to be a little overstated.
I offered some 8" diskettes a while back and didn't have a single inquiry,
and there doesn't seem to be a real shortage of other sizes either if you
don't mind sorting through used ones; even paper and mylar tape seem to
still be
In a lot of ways it's entirely contextual, or a matter of practicality. If the
goal is to just get the original operator/software experience, then emulators
should do the trick. If it's about the original feel of the hardware, with all
its limitations and warts, then stock hardware is the way
I think one thing that this discussion demonstrates is the point of the
original post, namely that there are many different reasons for
participating in this hobby and to each their own..
Let's face it, most of us have trouble justifying the time and money we
spend for whatever reason on what is
As to what can you do with it? A local company was running a homemade NC
drill using the (IIRC) Coco 2 with a pair of disk drives to drive the
thing. I bought it for kicks, but never used it.
To ask another similar question, I have a tektronix 2 axis controller
that uses paper tape.
I've never ever heard anyone state they like Goteks better then floppy drives.
The media is difficult to find in a usable state. That puts a big crimp on any
joy you may obtain from using original equipment. Hence people opt for the next
best thing. Which offers a number of conveniences I'll
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023, Chris Zach wrote:
Is it a valid repair? Yes. Is it not "100% original" nope, and I don't care
too much. However one of the supplies was a total wreck from someone else
Replacing a failed and possibly unrepairable component is something
different than changing working
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 10:10 AM Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> Personally, I like trackpads. But my wife doesn't. And clearly there are
> lots of opinions. Pick what you like, don't be surprised if others have
> different preferences.
>
I love my Kensington Expert
On 1/23/2023 11:53 AM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
The 6883 SAM was the "glue" that provided all of the timing and
address decoding for the entire system. To reduce flicker the 6847
and 6809E memory accesses were alternate cycled. This means that they
used opposite edges of the Phase 1
> On Jan 23, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 00:00, Ali via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> I am the exact opposite. I love my track point.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Trackpads are tolerable, but I preferred the era of trackballs. But if
> my laptop is on my actual
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 00:00, Ali via cctalk wrote:
>
> I am the exact opposite. I love my track point.
Agreed.
Trackpads are tolerable, but I preferred the era of trackballs. But if
my laptop is on my actual lap, I turn off the trackpad and just use
the trackpoint. Easier, less arm and hand
The original coco had an MC6809E processor (a slight variation of the
MC6809 processor), a MC6883 Synchronous Address Multiplexer and a MC6847
Graphics Chip.
The 6883 SAM was the "glue" that provided all of the timing and address
decoding for the entire system. To reduce flicker the 6847 and
I never knew there was a 6847. The 6545 used in the TI Pro is compatible to
whatever degree with the 6845 despite producing 100 more lines of revolution.
The 6847 not so.
On 1/23/2023 11:22 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
I don't even remember signing up for the RetroAbout64K mailing list. I haven't
seen any actual dicussion in my remembrance. But I do get once or twice a week
an email about COCO Nation or some such. Sounds like a hot chocolate
enthusiasts group
I don't even remember signing up for the RetroAbout64K mailing list. I haven't
seen any actual dicussion in my remembrance. But I do get once or twice a week
an email about COCO Nation or some such. Sounds like a hot chocolate
enthusiasts group seeking world domination. Anyway I've had COCOs
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 12:51 AM Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Tony Jones wrote:
> > No but I wish the list was configured differently so From: was the actual
> > sender with a Reply-To of the list. Plus of course ListId:
> >
> > Right now From:
On 2023-01-23 11:37, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote:
In the spirit of the original thought, though, where I find myself
scratching my head are the folks who have replaced every IC on their
vintage system with an aftermarket FPGA "equivalent" (loosely used
here). The resulting board, with all of
Reminds me of the p/s in the Mindset. One could not rule out it catching on
fire. I got a beat up MS years ago. The first time I plugged it in it blew the
breakers.
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 8:37 AM Jim Brain via cctalk
wrote:
>
> In the spirit of the original thought, though, where I find myself
> scratching my head are the folks who have replaced every IC on their
> vintage system with an aftermarket FPGA "equivalent" (loosely used
> here).
People do all
I have all 3 here.
Agreed. As an example, on my Sun386i's I had three blown power supplies.
All three failed due to the "donkey engine" power supply that booted up
the main power supply logic with a 300v to 12 volt system that quite
honestly was badly engineered garbage.
Rather than
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 6:38 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> To each his own. My interest is not in museum pieces that stand on a shelf
>
> and look pretty. I like to actually work with them. Mechanical disk
> drives
>
> are so old today they are prone to
On 1/23/2023 10:17 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
It's the classic "ship of Thesus" argument. And a 2,000 year old
debate is not going to be solved on this list.
Though the comments started with an absolute (replacing all drives with
Goteks), I assume many of us take a more pragmatic
It's the classic "ship of Thesus" argument. And a 2,000 year old debate
is not going to be solved on this list.
I've developed a "knack" for keeping my RX50 and TK70 drives working
here, most of the problems are due to them being 30-40 years old and
basic things like lubrication drying out
You've got that right! I have a beautiful LSI 11/93 CPU board here
given to me as defective. Scoped the problem to bad output from a GAL!
I don't think I will be able to find one of those anywhere unless i can
find somebody with a board that has some other fatal flaw!
cheers,
Nigel
As you say, to each his/her own.
But although mechanical devices are indeed more prone to issues, the same
argument could be applied to the rest of the system; when your unobtainium
PAL or LSI chip fails you'll probably replace it with a modern replacement.
Just a question of where you choose to
On 1/23/2023 9:02 AM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
Agreed; might as well just replace the whole system with an emulator while
you're at it.
m
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:41 AM Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
Later today
Agreed; might as well just replace the whole system with an emulator while
you're at it.
m
On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:41 AM Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> > Later today I plan to try FlashFloppy. My goal is to
That is a different problem. I'm phasing out my old alembic account, and
using beaker instead to send. So I sent it from beaker, probably went
into moderation, and then resent it from alembic.
Need to figure out how this list handles address updates. Don't think
it's a majordomo list...
CZ
Got this message twice, hours apart. And ...
On Sunday, January 22, 2023, 11:52:48 PM EST, Chris Zach via cctalk
wrote:
*
Last interactive login on Monday, January 23, 2023 21:37:35 (TT1:)
>
... time and date are off by a
So... Here we go :-)
For reference, TALOS is my pdp11/83 system from way back long ago. It's
running real hardware, RX02, RL02, a 330mb ESDI disk, TK70, and 4mb of
parity RAM.
Runs with 2,000 blocks of cache, read-ahead of 5, and purrs along pretty
nicely overall.
The next step is to
Does anyone by chance have a schematic for the 3/110 main board? Its been
running great until recently where my framebuffer died. It boots right up
to where it polls the cgfour and then stalls. I was hoping to do some
troubleshooting.
Thanks,
Kurt
On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, dave.g4...@gmail.com wrote:
It depends. 1.2Mb drives write a narrower track so if you put in a 360
or 640 disk in that?s already been written and write to it, then
That's not correct, the "640" disk would also be 96tpi, so you can
read and write it without issues in a
On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Tony Jones wrote:
No but I wish the list was configured differently so From: was the actual
sender with a Reply-To of the list. Plus of course ListId:
Right now From: is "sender name via cc talk" which isn't unique since some
people just have a first name. Plus a Cc:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2023, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
Later today I plan to try FlashFloppy. My goal is to eventually
replace all of my mechanical floppies with solid state ones.
Why would one want to do that?
My goal would be the opposite. Upgrade all vintage computers with floppy
drives ;-) My
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